Debate With Arnab LIVE: Assam Passes UCC, Why It Should Not Be A Template Across India?

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[00:02:01]It is only and only the media and today therefore we are doing a media trial in this specific case ladies and gentlemen of Tisha Sharma the 33 day Assam assembly adopted uniform civil court we have uh passed the UCC and fulfilled one of our commitment during the election >> 40% Muslim Muslim population UCCC passed uniform civil code in Assam a national template debating tonight at 8:00 p.m.

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[00:07:01]I think one thing we need to keep reminding people is liberty is not because we are from the Republic Media Network headquarters. It's time for Arnab Gowami on the debate.

[00:07:57]Arnab Gowami on the debate.

[00:08:02]On the show tonight, why all of India must celebrate the implementation of the uniform civil code in Assam. Iman Biswa Sharma does not waste time trying to seek consensus from the Muslim community. He just tells everyone including the Muslim community to accept and fall in line with the uniform civil court at 8:30 p.m. Though the Supreme Court says that we should not allow the family of Tisha Sharma to speak, I believe we should and we will. We will give them a chance to speak on my program.

[00:08:45]And at 9:00 tonight, though the Chief Justice of India was very concerned and almost solely concerned about the narrative that a member of the judiciary is being given special treatment, I say your honor, it is not a narrative. It is a reality. It is an absolute fact.

[00:09:07]Ladies and gentlemen, the great thing is that you do not need to pass the uniform civil code in both houses of parliament for it to become a reality. With the kind of strength that the BJP has, it can one by one implement the uniform civil code in state after state after state after state in India. And that is there will be no Muslim personal law.

[00:09:30]Then every Indian citizen will be subject to the uniform civil code and all the ills of Muslim personal law. All the wrong things that are being done in the name of Muslim personal law will be removed.

[00:09:46]Such as a man marrying four wives, polygamy will go. Byami will go. If you're polygamas, you will be put in jail. This is very good. You cannot get 12, 13, 14 year old girls married in the name of Muslim personal law. Legal age of marriage for men 21, for women 18. What applies to Hindus, Sikhs will also apply to Muslims.

[00:10:18]Ladies and gentlemen, the most important thing is things like nika halala where 12 13 year old girls are forcibly married and sexually abused by 75year-old Muslim men in the name of marriage. Some form of marriage will all be rendered absolutely illegal. You can no longer get 12 13 year old girls married. These kind of things are bad.

[00:10:44]There will be equal succession rights for sons and daughters and for elderly parents.

[00:10:51]All these so-called love jihad will come to a stop. Anyone who is trying to put do any kind of love jihad will be put ladies and gentlemen in jail and tribals will be exempt. So there's no controversy on that subject either. Now why is this so important? It is important because of the political resolve of the BJP and the determination of the reelected Hima Biswas Sharma the chief minister of Assam to if necessary push this down the throat of people who don't like it. Hima Biswa Sharma says the Muslim population in Assam is around 40%. Even if it isn't, it is true that more than one out of every three people in Assam is Muslim. So when you implement the uniform civil code in Assam, you're basically saying to the very large Muslim population that in India they cannot have their own personal laws.

[00:11:50]Everybody is equal in India. This kind of statement requires resolve. Now this is truly upholding secularism, gender justice, national integration and laws for all citizens. There are a lot of people who have said that if the uniform civil code is applied then all hell will break loose. Well, has all hell broken loose in Assam? Absolutely not. People are happy and there are some Muslims who are unhappy to them. I would only say three words.

[00:12:23]If you're unhappy with the uniform civil code, deal with it. There is no looking back.

[00:12:32]One nation, one law. No more special laws. Let's debate.

[00:12:40]>> I am very happy to inform you that Assam Assembly has adopted uniform civil code 2026.

[00:12:50]Assam will be the third state after Uttarakhan and Gujarat to adopt uniform civil code.

[00:13:00]Assam is now the fourth state in India to pass the uniform civil code bill.

[00:13:06]After Gujarat, Goa and Uttarakand, Assam now passes this integral bill.

[00:13:13]Speaking previously to our editor and chief Ornob Gowami, Chief Minister Himantov Sharma explained the various demographic challenges during the elections.

[00:13:25]Compare that village the day when your parents were in the school and today it has completely become a minority dominated area >> completely.

[00:13:38]>> You can feel the pain.

[00:13:40]>> Yes.

[00:13:40]>> And these minority Muslims are not from our land.

[00:13:45]>> Yes.

[00:13:45]>> They have came from across the border in different region.

[00:13:50]>> Yes. People laughed at me when I say that in the next census whenever the figures will come out Assam Muslim population will be 40%. Now they say no no you are trying to harvest political things. These are statistical representation of fact >> despite the challenge of demography with 40% Muslims in the state. The Assam legislature has successfully passed the UCCC bill that now awaits the president's ascent.

[00:14:24]The bill bans polygamy, makes registration of living relationships compulsory, and seeks a common legal framework for marriage, divorce, succession, and inheritance.

[00:14:37]BJP's message is simple. one constitution, one law and Assam has now become the first state in the northeast to cross that line.

[00:14:48]The big question now is when Muslims can live with a common code in France and more evolved personal law in Islamic Turkey, why object in India? And the bigger question is Bengal next in line for the UCC bill.

[00:15:20]And ladies and gentlemen, uh you know, I began by saying that unfortunately for people who oppose the uniform civil code, they don't have a choice anymore. Rohan, it is very sad for them because they are against the uniform civil code and they think they will go to the streets and blackmail people, but they don't have a choice.

[00:15:42]They have to fall in line. This is the reality. All hardliners will have to soften their line. They will have to fall in line. Rohan, is this a strategy by the BJP to get this implemented?

[00:15:56]Uttarakand, Assam, Gujarat and earlier Goa, why don't you in one shot get it implemented in all the 22 plus states where you are in power?

[00:16:13]Why don't we have that? No, I think it's a it's a very fair question and I'll go back to uh 1948 when UCC which is part of article 44 in the directive principle and on 23rd November 1948 you know the it was introduced in the debate regarding UCCC arguments were made and Muslim members they moved amendments to keep personal laws out of its scope and one of the drafting committee member defended the provisions and argued that the uniform civil code was important to uphold the unity of the country and the constitutional secular credentials. The members reminded that Muslim members that this was not a provision that would affect the Muslim community alone. Even the Hindu community would be affected.

[00:17:01]They further added that the women's right could never be secured without uniform civil code. This is verbatim.

[00:17:06]I'm reading from the debate of constitutional uniform and this was the opposition even then and the same is getting repeated when something is part of our constitution and you are the people who are holding the copy of constitution in hand and doing politics in name of you know ensuring the securing the constitution and then you are opposing UCC then don't you feel that you are opposing constitution you have to respect our people who have drafted the constitution you are naming babas ambedkar doing politics in name of baba sabkar and today you are insulting him by opposing UCCC and one more thing good question that why we don't introduce nationally obviously when these drafts are studied by the people who are opposing it I'm challenging that let them bring out one provision which is against Muslim community because they are playing this politics of you know appeasement just to ensure that vote bank is protected all this is good but I >> I my only complaint is and subhi probably agrees with me why do this in slow motion Why do one state then 5 months one do it in one go you know if I I believe I believe you must just implement it everywhere in the country and push it down the throat of people who are opposing it >> push it down their throats >> like they have pushed nikah halala down the throats of 13year-old girls who they get married off to 80year-old shameless men in the name of marriage and you question them they say Oh, it is our Muslim personal law. It is our right to get 13year-old women married to 75 year old men.

[00:18:44]Right. It is our right to have polygamy by gami love jihad.

[00:18:54]I think you I think BJP is being too slow about this. Subui what do you think? Time to just ram it in. You know why Assam have it everywhere in India.

[00:19:04]My screen is freezed. Am I audible?

[00:19:06]>> You are audible or visible. Your screen is not frozen on air. Please continue.

[00:19:11]>> Okay. Okay. All right. All right. Thank you so much for having me Arnab on such an important issue. I have been working on spreading awareness about UCCC for many years now and I agree to your point that we should push it down the throat of the nation because it is not a political decision but it is a constitutional mandate and it has been done long long before but as an officer of the courtnab I also want to make one point here that there are demographical challenges issues and there are problems which makes makes it difficult for the state to make a central act or a central law in terms of uniform civil code. But as a lawyer, I believe that I I think it is possible to make one uniform civil code, one common law as per the constitutional mandates and we can exclude tribals. We can exclude tribals from UCCC so that it would be easier for us to uh implement it in all the states at once. I congratulate Mr. Himant Visba Sharma and the state of Assam for having this finally and they may be the fourth state after Uttarakhand, Gujarat and Goa. Assam is the fourth state for having UCC but in northeast Assam is the first state and I want to reiterate a fact which I have repeated on your debates many a times Arnab that why it is of such an urgent nature why it is of utmost importance to have it you know right now no more weight should be there because it is a matter of national integration as you rightly said and also gender justice. I have given so many examples of crimes which were happening in the garb of personal laws. They they have been violating Indian penal code.

[00:21:00]Now the name is changed but the the sections are changed but the content is same. So I'm still saying Indian penal code by polygamy was prohibited for all Indians but Muslim men were allowed to do that. Domestic Violence Act which prohibits physical, emotional, sexual, economic, verbal, psychological all kinds of violence against women.

[00:21:31]No, you are covered under Sharia law. So we cannot give you the protection of domestic violence act. And one worst example which I gave first time on your show only violation of Foxo act in the name of consent in the name of personal law. It is it is clearcut violation of criminal law. It is no more personal law anymore.

[00:21:56]>> I think that was the most important for women protection for gender justice for national integration.

[00:22:06]I think committees tribal areas exclude UC I think throughout the nation because statewise now why do some Muslims support child marriage?

[00:22:28]It's a very serious and straightforward question.

[00:22:31]>> Very good question. Why do they why do they support child marriage? A would this support to child marriage apply to the marriage of their own children?

[00:22:43]Would the people who support child marriage theoretically saying it is a Muslim right?

[00:22:51]The Sharia allows us to get 12y old, 13y old and 14y old, 15y old girls married.

[00:22:58]Would they do this to young girls of their own family?

[00:23:02]Now they look very shell shocked when I ask this question because they are saying how is or not being so direct because I'm direct because these are the things that happen. Child marriage is there. It's a reality and Muslim men can force the marriage of young children to very old men saying that it is a religious right. How is it a religious right?

[00:23:25]How is it a religious right to get young children forced into marriage? Does a 13-year-old girl who is very often married under Muslim personal law, does she have a right to say no?

[00:23:43]Does she have a right to say no? No, she doesn't have a right. Which means Rohan that people like Atikur Dehman, they believe that 13year-old girls are meant to be sexually exploited.

[00:23:58]14year-old girls are meant to be sexually exploited. They have no right which means they are to be sexually exploited and they are to be raped in the name of marriage and if you question them Rohan they'll say that you are a right-winger.

[00:24:16]Why are you a supporter of child marriage? Atikur Rahman right shake Hamir Shake >> Ara please don't say child marriage say violation of poxo act >> yeah why any anybody else anybody else committing a sexual act on a on a 13year-old against her will be accused of rape under the poxo act and it's a nonvailable offense but you people you support it you say it's okay it's allowed >> now you look town you'll try to avoid shake it's such a straight question I asked you four times >> oh no child marriage uh when you're talking about child marriage child marriage is not legally permissible in the Indian constitution as per as per the Indian Muslim person this this bill as per your Muslim personal law as per your Muslim personal law is it allowed >> Ara when you are talking about >> as per Your Muslim personal law. Answer Subuhi. Is it allowed?

[00:25:24]>> No, we are talking about the Indian Constitution. Let's >> I'm talking about your Muslim personal law. Does it allow the marriage of a 14year-old girl?

[00:25:36]>> We are not against the >> No. As per your Muslim personal law, is it allowed?

[00:25:44]As per Muslim personal law, we the reforms have BEEN DONE. WE ARE CLEAR. It happens. The answer is clear. What are these windows being made? One second.

[00:25:54]>> No. You are talking about why do you allow it? Why why do you allow why do you allow the the the marriage of 13 14 year old?

[00:26:02]>> What is the uniformity in this uniform civil code?

[00:26:06]>> Director principles of state policy talks about the uniform civil code >> and the government.

[00:26:12]>> No one. Yes, it talks. I am asking you >> we all know these things.

[00:26:16]>> Why do you want 12 13 to be this? This is a select >> very often a 13year-old girl becomes the fourth one every law fourth wife of a 70 parliament right now or by any particular assembly ruled by the bartenda party it's a select to approach against a particular community against a particular people who belong to a particular religion why should all tribes have been kept religion you mean this bill why have been Muslims kept out of this bill >> arnam let me give you one more example one more example as per shar happening Mother is not the natural guardian of her own child.

[00:26:52]>> Can you imagine?

[00:26:54]>> Yeah.

[00:26:55]>> Kiss level abuse.

[00:27:08]Sharia law she's not the natural guardian of her own child in case of husband there are many times don't tell me this nonsense you cannot listen to me stop targeting Muslims like this don't use such language of her child in Hinduism this is tribes in India there are many tribes in India let me let me let me inform you let me give you some information some knowledge >> you cannot you cannot bring religion Child marriage child marriage is wrong in any any religion. You cannot defend child.

[00:27:51]This is the purpose of that we have to ensure that these kind of things are not there. How can you justify child marriage whether it is Hindu or Muslim?

[00:27:59]Why are you making Hindu Muslim issue?

[00:28:01]>> Nobody is justifying whoever it is it is wrong is wrong. Then why are you comp why you saying that it is happening in Hindu? So you are justifying child marriage. You want to tell that because if it is done in Hindus it is justified.

[00:28:12]Nothing in Hindus and you say that as constitution is wrong. Why? It should be part of Muslim personal laws.

[00:28:18]>> It should not be part of that. You people shouldn't speak in favor of it.

[00:28:21]There are certain wrongdoing which is there in any religion. If you see Hindu religion there was something called shatraa. It was completely wrong and then it was completely stopped. So when there is a improvement where as a country we have to grow together and there are certain wrong things in a religious things if we correct that together why are you making it Hindu Muslim MY SIMPLE QUESTION IS THAT something wrong is wrong whether it is Hindu Muslim anything we have to welcome this who is making Hindu versus Muslim it is no noing let me tell you Mr. BJP let me tell you it's not about we are not making it Hindu Muslim so much we are not speaking Hindu Muslim India is India India is driven by constitution this is the this is the message or this is a narrative of opposition >> look who is talking about the constitution do you people follow constitution do you have any idea >> I think enough of an opportunity has been provided through public debate >> says shake >> do you have any idea what the pre say one minute shake enough of an opportunity has been provided through public debate in this country for certain sections of Islamic law to reform themselves. You could have if you wanted said that we will stop child marriage but you know you say that having children marriage married is your right. You could have stopped nikah halala. No you said sexual exploitation of teenage girls by 75year-old Muslim men is allowed. You could have stopped triple talaq. You said no we have to be able to throw out a woman throw out a woman from our house by saying triple tala talaak talaqak three times. You could have said we will stop polyami.

[00:29:56]You said no we must have four wives each. My question is my question is you have not reformed. You have been opposed to reform. You are anti-reform. You are being medieval in your point of view.

[00:30:09]And and now and now you will have to change.

[00:30:14]You will have to change since you have not wanted to change. You will be forced to change.

[00:30:19]>> The only way now is to force people like you principles of state policy. But you don't talk about the fundamental rights guaranted by the Indian constitution.

[00:30:28]>> I will talk about the directive principles. You admit that you are avoiding what is in the constitution.

[00:30:33]>> Nobody's avoiding. Nobody's avoiding.

[00:30:35]>> Yeah, you are avoiding it.

[00:30:37]>> Nobody's avoiding. You are talking about uniform. Is there any uniformity when you are already respecting that there is a diversity? Keeping Shu tribes out of this uniform civil court then you are only targeting Muslims. Child marriage is happening only Muslims. No there is there is already law child >> but you are but you are rationalizing it. Rohan Rohan >> child marriage may happen outside in other communities too but but in the Muslim community if it happens it is justified.

[00:31:08]>> Subh you want to ask every debate is regarding Muslim Muslim Muslim Muslim and Muslim. say that he kind of celebrating today. We are celebrating today. What is happening throughout throughout India especially in UP MP Assam Bengal? What you people are doing there?

[00:31:24]>> What is you people?

[00:31:25]>> You have made this country hell. You have made this country hell for >> Who is you people? Who is you people?

[00:31:30]>> What do you mean by you people?

[00:31:31]>> Who is you people?

[00:31:32]>> You people carrying the ideology, the fascist ideology.

[00:31:35]>> Are you not in India? You are not Indian. This is the problem with you people. You are part of India. You are Indian.

[00:31:41]>> No, it's not your India.

[00:31:42]more important. Are you an Indian? This is the basic problem. Are you not? You carry an Indian passport. Do you have any loyalty like Nazis? You are behaving like your country. What do you mean you people are built like Nazis? What do you mean you people?

[00:31:55]>> These kind of you people calling the debate.

[00:31:58]>> You are not the people who are not working in the interest of nation. You say you people working in your own personal interest trying to satisfy yourself.

[00:32:06]>> This is the reality of these people are now. This is the reality of this people kind of what do you mean by this? What do you mean by justifying it? You have to put country first my friend not the religion. You must >> WHAT COUNTRY FIRST? WHAT COUNTRY FIRST?

[00:32:21]What country? You will lynch Muslims.

[00:32:22]You lynch Muslims. You lynch Muslims.

[00:32:25]Congress party representative says what country first? Please watch. Did you see that?

[00:32:31]>> A Congress party representative on my program says what country first? Well, my country bat be proud that you are a bata.

[00:32:47]What country first?

[00:32:55]Pakistani passport. Do you carry a Pakistani passport?

[00:33:00]You are criminals. Do you carry a Pakistani passport? When you say what people, what country? Don't challenge me. Indian this is enough is enough every morning every every in every debate every prime time you are only discussing about >> yeah because because because you're getting worked up when I say there will be no child married why do you want children to be married I just answer the question so we ask him the question what satisfaction does he get by seeing a 13-year-old possibly married >> Mr. shake Mr. Shake under his skin and we're going to get more under his skin now. Child marriages are are child marriages happening only in Muslims. No, absolutely not. Hindus child marriages.

[00:33:53]What do you think OF madam you are getting these things I don't know from where you are getting these things if we start debating ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING IF WE start debating madam if you start debating what's happening in Hindu religion what Hindus are doing that time passes marriage expires the validity of marriage ends No closure, no maintenance, no divorce and no marriage, only rape, only violation of poxo act in the name of miso hasn't said anything. You are calling it rape because he has nothing to say.

[00:34:34]>> When Muslims are married, you are calling it rape. How unfortunate. And you are being allowed to talk. You are being reality and accept THE FAULT AND RECTIFY THE PROBLEMS. IF YOU HAVE NO GUTS AND MORAL COURAGE TO DO THAT, at least do some Google online and research.

[00:34:58]Let me let me tell you ma'am. There are now let me let me LET ME INFORM YOU SOMETHING. LET ME tell you something.

[00:35:04]There are there are so many tribes in India. There's one one tribe in India where where the granddaughter marries marries her grandfather. What about that? What about that?

[00:35:14]>> This uniform civil code does not apply to tribal communities.

[00:35:18]>> Do you know about marriage by provision?

[00:35:21]I'll give you a word in right now because you're a support of polyami.

[00:35:24]Thank you sir.

[00:35:25]>> Do you know you are now a uniform civil code? Why tribes are kept out of uniform civil court in the Assam bill?

[00:35:35]>> A uniform civil code based on gender justice and gender equality shall be a welcome step. A uniform civil code should be coming from the parliament.

[00:35:45]Different states passing a different law is not uniform. Uttan or uniform civil been challenged and the high court is questioning.

[00:35:56]So the PJP is silent on that part. Why has the Uttakhan bill been challenged?

[00:36:02]The court and the high court have certain questions. Why are you asking the intervention of the parents when the two adults want to have a married life?

[00:36:12]Why is there a intervention of the parental control? These are many questions which is not based on gender justice and gender equality. And how can we expect this from BJP which is deeply rooted as a misogynist and patriarchal RSS le government. They are they are having rapists in their parties. The prime minister roams with rapist people in the Hindi parliament. How can we expect a gender justice and gender equality?

[00:36:46]such a constitution. So you have to come clean on it sir.

[00:36:50]>> Are you are you with constitution or against constitution?

[00:36:52]>> Look here and then you just ask me answer the questions of the utakand high court. The uttarakand high court have asked questions from the government of Uttarakand that why the parental control on adult lives. You are unable to answer sir.

[00:37:11]>> Please no no you don't don't mislead. I I'll answer this. And now the basic issue is the way he started that okay UCCC with this this is welcome. The first of all you people have to agree whether you are against the idea of UCCC or you are with the idea of UCCC. That is my question number one. Question number two if you are against the idea of UCCC don't you feel that you are against the constitution of the country?

[00:37:33]That is point number two. Point number three UCC is now implemented in three states. I want one you know provision where it is against Islam or against Muslims specifically. You know you are just the debate is that this UCCC is against particular community. Yes UCCC might have pluses and minus I'm not denying you definitely have few suggestions it can improve UCCC that that's all fine but the narrative which is made by you people that UCCC is against minority community. I want evidence of that. Now you have three states just go the read the draft read the final draft and see come out in THE NATIONAL DEBATE THAT YES THESE ARE THE POINTS WHICH ARE against the Muslims.

[00:38:10]Everybody will be with you your community but don't mislead the same thing you did in workboard were administrative board it is not they were in Islamic countries the work board amendment acts was to ensure that the misuse one property by the bodies is one one very important point one of the reasons why chauvinistic Muslims >> can you tell me >> uh shake one minute shake shake don't chauvinistic Muslims >> anti-women men who are Muslims >> misogynistic Muslims misogynistic Muslims they don't want Muslim women to get their fair share of property. The real issue which nobody wants to talk about is about property. Muslim men would want to deny Muslim women a right to succession. Himto Bis Sharma says we have to modernize succession so that daughters and sons get their fair share.

[00:39:04]Right now, OAC says that the UCCC allows daughters to be denied their fair share.

[00:39:11]It applies to cases only where the person writes a will.

[00:39:17]What he does not say is that the right to write a will and distribute your own property as you choose is a fundamental right that exists in every democracy.

[00:39:28]The Uniform Civil Code does not create that right.

[00:39:32]It already exists. What the uniform civil code does shake and is to protect daughters when there is no will through a equal distribution framework.

[00:39:46]Now many Indians do not write their will. What happens in those cases?

[00:39:51]Daughters do not get a single rupee in terms of inheritance. Chauvinistic Muslim men are very happy with that because they do not want women to get any fair share of property rights.

[00:40:07]But they want to sexually exploit 13year-old girls by making them the fourth wife of a 70-year-old man.

[00:40:16]And then they want to commoditize women by getting a 12year-old girl married to an 80-year-old man in the form of nika halala and say it is our RIGHT TO EXPLOIT THAT GIRL >> WHATEVER NARRATIVE >> AND IF YOU ASK ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT we will say YOU'RE ANTI-MUSLIM NO SIR YOU'RE anti-humanity >> you're anti-humanity AND ONLY I WILL TELL YOU THAT ON YOUR FACE OR THE PARLIAMENT OF YOUR FACE which goes against our Quran doesn't go or based on the Quran will not accept Whatever may be the case, >> you have no choice right now. You follow >> you will not accept it's not about it's not about choice. Just because you are you people are ruling like anything you have become ruling like anything will not accept.

[00:41:00]>> Explain the word ruling like anything on the Quran. Okay. Shake, shake, shake.

[00:41:06]Shake, shake, shake. Which? Okay, since you talk about the directive principles of state policy, may I ask you which article of the constitution asks for a uniform civil code? You tell me.

[00:41:18]>> It's in the directive principles of state policy.

[00:41:20]>> Which which which article? Baba, you're a lawyer.

[00:41:22]>> All these should be article 40 or something. I'm notic article 40 or something.

[00:41:26]>> 44. Yes.

[00:41:28]>> Yeah. And does article 44 carry constitutional status imposing a duty on the state while making the laws?

[00:41:35]No these process while you know was this passed by Dr. BR Ambedkar who was the chairman of the drafting committee of the constitution of India. Did he strongly support uniform civil code?

[00:41:46]>> Are you teaching me about direct state?

[00:41:49]I am teaching you because you need to be taught.

[00:41:51]>> Are you no d >> because you're an illiterate man >> as per the constitution direct >> and because you abused my country on the program completely differ with the fundamental rights. You are mixing these two. While framing the policies the the legislators should keep these keep these principles in the mind while framing the policies. It's not constitutionally you are not bound.

[00:42:12]>> I've cornered you the by the way.

[00:42:15]>> It is the beauty of the state. It is clearly mentioned and it is also mentioned that uniform principle cannot be enforcable by any court of law. That means only an elected government can have it. Only an elected government can implement it. Only an elected government has the duty >> to pass this law in the favor of citizens 140 people to have a common law to have gender justice for everyone irrespective of their cast, creed and religion.

[00:42:49]>> And can I can I tell you since you are since you are since you know nothing I'll tell you one more thing about history. Shake shake shake shake one one minute. Shake shake shake. Don't keep moving your hand like this. Rohan alas rights. There was there were two committees. There were two committees there were two committees. One minute.

[00:43:12]There were two committees which recommended uniform civil code twice before the independence of India. First was in 1925 and the second was in 1937.

[00:43:21]And Rohan do you know who the head of those two committees was? It was one man. You know which man it was who said we must have a uniform civil code? Rohan it was Motil Neu's son Jawal Neu >> you have to he has nothing to say >> look at his expression his expression will either you will include Javaru also you people then he addressed us as a you people so now Javar also the constitution >> I will I will state I'll just state this article 44 states said the state shall I'm using word shall you know what is the difference between shall and will the state shall endeavor to secure for the citizens a uniform civil code throughout the territory of India these are the specific words which are mandator shall >> what does shell mean >> you tell me >> it's not will >> you tell me >> it's not will mandatory >> what is it mandatory >> it's mandatory I don't kind of people you are calling in the debate. I I I'm sure you just I yourself saying it's not will it shall >> what are you talking what are you talking just go to the directive principles and article 37 says even if directive principles this thing nevertheless the fundamentals the governance fundamental in the governance of the country so directive principles are the fundamental in the governance >> the writing is on the wall the writing is on the wall and I I think the great thing about what happened in Assam today is that it leaves everyone including the Muslim population and Assam with no choice but to comply.

[00:45:04]>> Now viewers, >> I have no intention to oppose the Supreme Court of India.

[00:45:12]But I disagree with the view of the Supreme Court that the family members of Tisha Sharma should be gagged.

[00:45:22]And since the honorable Supreme Court has not technically forced me to gag them but only put out an advisory that the family members of Tuisha Sharma should not be spoken to or should not be interviewed since they have not forced me to do it. I will continue to interview and speak to members of Tosha Sharma's family and that is why I have called her brother today on the program Major Harshit. is also a serving Indian army officer and I'm putting Major Harshett on air and I will take Disha's father also on air because with the greatest of respect to the Supreme Court this whole idea of the Chief Justice of India uh justice Surya Kant that the family members speaking will be creating a narrative is completely wrong and completely unacceptable.

[00:46:14]Well, Major Harshid thanks for joining us. Before I come to you a quick report on what has happened, the Jabalpur High Court has laid open completely Giribala, the exjudge's manipulation in the Tisha Sharma case. Today's arguments which we are reporting on now have pinned the blame of the misuse of power and position on this dangerous exjudge Girabal Singh. Let's debate.

[00:46:46]Heated arguments, sharp exchanges and explosive claims inside Jabalpur High Court today. The Tusha Sharma case took another dramatic turn.

[00:46:57]Solister General Tushar Ma appearing before the court argued that relief to Giribal Singh was granted in a hurried manner.

[00:47:23]He further argued that the accused was wielding power in the institution and claimed repeated press conferences by Giribala Singh had the potential to influence witnesses connected to the case. In a significant argument, SJ Mhar told the court that Guribala was granted anticipatory bail even before the FIR was registered.

[00:47:48]Not just that, the solister general also pointed at possible tampering of evidence as the scene of offense was only sealed after granting of anticipatory bail. Senior advocate Siddhart Lutra appearing for Tisha Sharma's family also raised strong objections.

[00:48:06]During the hearing, senior advocate Siddhart Lutra argued that the Bhopal court order granting anticipatory bail to Giribala was premature passed without her joining the investigation even for a single day. In a major claim before the high court, the Madhya Pradesh government said injuries found on Tusha Sharma's body were antiMem in nature and could have been caused during a struggle or scuffle.

[00:48:43]CBI.

[00:48:58]The claim has now added a new dimension to the case. The central agency also raised questions over the presence of Giribala Singh's sister during the postmortem and wants to investigate whether the process was influenced in any manner.

[00:49:15]Republic TV's relentless coverage has exposed multiple lapses raising questions on how the former judge was given bail on death of a daughter-in-law. Now all eyes are on the court's order in the case that the nation has its eyes on.

[00:49:41]Uh, Major Harshett, uh, your first comment on what has been happening in the courtroom today because a lot of details have now come out about how your sister was possibly severely assaulted before she died. uh your comments on the fresh information that is coming out and the way the case is moving now with the step CBI stepping in can you unmute yourself Ash can't hear you I can't hear I wish your audio was checked before we went live. Can you can you speak to me?

[00:50:31]No, I cannot speak to you. The production team tells me that I should be hearing you, but trust me, I can't.

[00:50:39]Very difficult to do this without audio line.

[00:50:49]Uh we'll fix the audio. I've been asked by the production team to give them 10 seconds to fix the audio. I don't know how they will do this in 10 seconds.

[00:51:03]I can't hear you at all.

[00:51:05]But I will continue speaking till then and I'll keep reporting on what has happened while my production team gets its act together.

[00:51:19]No sir.

[00:51:21]This is very unfortunate.

[00:51:25]Ladies and gentlemen, while we fix this and this is absolutely embarrassing, I just want to point out here that Giribala Singh, retired judge secured anticipatory bail on 15th May 2026.

[00:51:38]Today the case is going on in the Jabalpur High Court. We expect that anticipatory bail to be cancelled.

[00:51:49]Now many senior advocates have got into this case. Senior advocate Siddhhat Lutra called the decision to give Giribbala Singh anticipatory bail as a rash order which has been granted without any meaningful investigation and the general opinion of the people is this that it is because Giribala has a judicial background that she is an ex-judge that she's given this kind of swift relief which would never be given to any other ordinary accused and I am shocked and surprised that the honorable chief justice of India who we look up to to deliver justice was more concerned about a narrative being set against the judiciary. That is where I believe the honorable chief justice of India has made a terrible mistake because the honorable chief justice of India should be considering the fact that this judge filed the bail plea even before the police registered the FIR which means the police did not do any meaningful investigation and the bail was given.

[00:52:54]Major Harshett, can you hear me now?

[00:52:56]>> Yes, I can hear you sir.

[00:52:57]>> Thank you very much. Thank you. Uh Major Harsh, a lot of people are calling in to you. If if you want to speak to Major Hershit, you can call in now. He's fighting for his sister. He must never be alone in this. And while we do that, I can show that on the camera. Please show the camera. We have Hershit's father, Tisha's father walking in right now. I'm This is the first time that I'm meeting him. Camera two. Can show him sitting in. Please, sir. Welcome. Please sit. Camera 2. Yes. That's Major Harshett's father, Tuisha's father, Navnidi Sharma, who is being miked up sitting to my right this evening. The bottom grid should change. Speak to Tuisha Sharma's family. It should say and call Tuisha Sharma's father and brother should be what we should put on the grid out there. Ladies and gentlemen, I thank you Naviti Sharma for coming. Thank you.

[00:53:51]Gag order.

[00:53:53]Gag gag order.

[00:54:13]What is your family going through because of this?

[00:54:43]She was multi-talented girl.

[00:54:47]plants.

[00:55:03]Almost.

[00:55:12]Where were you on the 12th?

[00:55:15]You were speaking to your daughter when this happened?

[00:55:18]>> Yeah, I was speaking regularly.

[00:55:21]>> Can you tell me about the last phone call that you made to your daughter?

[00:55:24]When was that last phone call? Last 9:40 1 9:41 last call yesterday >> 9:41 p.m. on 12th >> 12th puri just explain everything and while this is on live I wish to tell the people on the desk to change the grade yes and I wish to tell the production and desk team to put the calls in through to me and put the names on camera 4 please thank you very much yes 9:41 p.m.

[00:56:01]separate that.

[00:56:06]What happened that day? That was the last phone call. Last call.

[00:56:15]She called you. She She called me or I'm coming.

[00:56:31]Uh, I'll call mommy. Mommy.

[00:56:35]>> She said she would call back.

[00:56:36]>> She will call back. But did she did she mention anything about her husband being there?

[00:56:46]You handed the phone to to your mommy.

[00:56:48]Mommy, separate.

[00:56:52]Mommy says to the point she called she called your wife that day that evening what How long she will come back 15 15 tickets.

[00:57:46]After at what time is her death recorded?

[00:58:03]Okay.

[00:58:14]That is the last thing.

[00:58:19]call.

[00:58:39]Exactly.

[00:58:46]So viewers if you listen to this uh harsh can you can you can you unmute yourself again? Are you muted again?

[00:58:53]Yeah. Yeah, I can hear you now. Yeah, >> you are saying something please.

[00:58:58]>> We tried calling them again and again.

[00:59:00]We were all sitting in the same room.

[00:59:02]Everybody was calling frantically at that point. M >> after the third or the fourth call they picked up one time at around 10:17 10:15 >> wherein she just said that to my wife she said there is no pulse and she's not breathing >> who said everybody got very >> who said this to you >> uh Girbala said this to my wife >> keep those three windows on please thank you avoid that yeah Gibbala said this to your wife >> yes and after that the next call which she picked up she just said she's not she's no more. She's not breathing.

[00:59:35]She's no more. And uh post that the first call which she made from her end was at 10:56 because we I was just going through the logs today just to make a timeline. So I'm very thorough with the timings here.

[00:59:49]10:56 was the first call that she made from her end to tell us any any inputs.

[00:59:54]>> Okay. So while >> so I I'm going to take a small break at this point because though my PCR has not told me, I think I need to go to a break. I will just say one thing to you to all the people watching my program who are calling me tonight saying you're defying the Supreme Court. I am not defying the Supreme Court.

[01:00:14]If letting the victim's family speak about what happened that day is defying the Supreme Court, then I'm sorry, so be it. Republic is an independent news network, the largest in the country. We are doing our service to Major Harshit and to Nabni G. I want you to stay because people of this country want to talk to you major they want to connect with you Navi G >> and we are with you. So I'll take a small break then we'll come back we'll take this discussion forward hers sir we'll take a small break after that the truth about what the narrative is and what it isn't.

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[01:03:07]In fact, very often I believe the only way to get justice in India is a media trial. So there's no reason for the media if it's doing a good job of a media trial to be on the back foot. In fact, the courts should stop making these overarching remarks about media trial and contemplate about one very basic thing with the greatest of respect to the courts when the other institutions fail. When people get let down by the system, when even the judiciary does not seem to be listening or raising a noise about issues like in the case like in the case of Tisha Sharma, who does CBI says Giribala misused liberty seven injuries before she was found dead.

[01:04:00]Giribbala's sister oversaw autopsy debating tonight at 9:00 p.m.

[01:04:05]>> Presented by Amit University ranked amongst the top 3% universities globally. Powered by RP Sanjie Goinka Group growing legacies since 1820. TVS I Cube India's favorite family EV from the Republic Media Network headquarters. It's time for Arnab Gowami on the debate.

[01:04:52]Heat. Heat.

[01:05:15]Arnab Gowami on the debate.

[01:05:20]Ladies and gentlemen, with the greatest of respect, I completely disagree with the positions being taken by the honorable chief justice of India.

[01:05:31]So far in this case of Disha Sharma in the swam motor hearing day before yesterday the honorable chief justice of India said that he feels deep pain and concern over the narrative that the judiciary was attempting to shield the accused and that is where the honorable chief justice unfortunately in my view is wrong.

[01:05:54]Instead of focusing almost entirely on the so-called narrative against the judiciary, the honorable chief justice should be extremely concerned at the misuse of influence by an exjudge and there should have been in my view a stronger attempt by the honorable chief justice to talk about the facts that have been exposed in this case by the media.

[01:06:18]the fourth pillar of democracy and to the honorable chief justice of India Surya Kanji I would say these are facts uh not narrative.

[01:06:29]The CBI says just one chat is considered the rest have been ignored while granting bail.

[01:06:35]The fact is ladies and gentlemen that Giribala wildly circulated her own narrative with interviews. The fact is, ladies and gentlemen, that Giribala misused liberty given by anticipatory bail.

[01:06:50]The fact is, ladies and gentlemen, that the CBI says Giribala received notices but is not cooperating.

[01:06:58]The fact is, ladies and gentlemen, that there were multiple injuries on Tuisha's body, on her head. Her fingerprints have been recovered. Ladies and gentlemen, there is a possibility of Tuisha being hit on the head which cannot be ruled out. And while all these facts are being brought out, it is unfortunate that the fundamental focus of the Chief Justice of India, Justice Surya Kant was the narrative against the judiciary. No sir, we are not interested in creating a narrative against the judiciary. Honorable Chief Justice, WE ARE EXTREMELY CONCERNED about the fact that there was obvious influence used ON THE INVESTIGATION.

[01:07:46]WE ARE CONCERNED AND SO SHOULD YOU BE.

[01:07:48]HONORABLE CHIEF JUSTICE OF INDIA, Justice Surya Kanji, that 40 plus calls were made to judges, senior police officers and even CCTV technicians post what possibly could be a murder.

[01:08:03]Ladies and gentlemen, this is influencing of witnesses and the honorable chief justice of India should be more concerned about the compromise of the crime scene about the fact that the next judge was allowed to almost seal the crime scene about possible police collusion and FIR delay.

[01:08:26]Ladies and gentlemen, the FIR is only registered on the 15th of May and there is action only after the media creates a human cry.

[01:08:35]And in THE MEANWHILE, THE EXJUDGE GETS ANTICIPATORY BAIL on 15th May 2026 within hours of the FI registration before the investigation has started. In fact, she files the FIR. She files the bail plea even before the police register the FIR. So, SHOULD WE REMAIN QUIET? SHOULD WE NOT REPORT ALL THESE THINGS THINKING THAT IF we do we will be accused of the misuse of our position as media persons? No. Ladies and gentlemen, no. If anyone uses their judicial background as an advantage, we will question it.

[01:09:12]And let me say this, this lady Giribbala was allowed to manipulate the crime scene which according to Bhari sanit section 238 is against the law.

[01:09:26]if she had not been a judge.

[01:09:29]And I repeat this tonight.

[01:09:32]I want the people of the country to tell me and even if I were to came face to face with the chief justice of India, I would say this.

[01:09:42]If she had not been a judge, would she have been free?

[01:09:50]If she had not been a judge, would the entire system have come to manipulate and use procedural loopholes to help her?

[01:10:02]And my dear viewers, I have brought the father of Tuisha to my studio.

[01:10:11]This is not about the family of Tuisha versus a retired judge. No, this is about the fact that people of this country are watching what the judiciary does.

[01:10:24]And I feel somewhere there's a sense of discomfort among the judiciary that they are under public watch. But what's wrong with that? Should the judiciary of this country not be under the watch of the people of India? Should the people of India keep their eyes closed?

[01:10:39]Ladies and gentlemen, if Giribbala's legal position and influence has been misused, we will fight it. And I'm saying tonight she should be arrested. She has got prefir anticipatory bail by seeking to quash the bail than merely cancel it. the executive is contesting a judicial order and it is therefore making the point that the judiciary failed and I underline the point tonight however uncomfortable some people may be and I'm saying this tonight I don't mind being accused of setting a narrative I've said many such narratives in the past if these are narratives but we WILL NOT BE SILENCED here we will not be browbeaten the direct charge is that the judiciary failed in ITS DUTY OF IMPARTIAL ADJUDICATION in a case involving a former judge.

[01:11:40]It's like saying that the police failed to investigate charges against a former police commissioner and if we fought Paramir Singh we will fight Girbala as well. If there has been manipulation of procedure, it will be questioned and I don't care. I absolutely do not care whether anybody in the judiciary is uncomfortable about it. And we're ready to face the consequences for that. We are ready to face the consequences of fighting for the truth. Let's debate.

[01:12:29]>> This is our request to you. Whatever statement you want to depose, you please make authority that is the investigating agency. Please that your statement recorded. Our request to we will of course we can't do anything but we can only request media also. Don't go for recording statements of the victim's family or reducing their pain into sound bites please. That's not the way anybody should do it.

[01:12:53]>> With every passing hour the facts are becoming clearer >> that they have created a human chain.

[01:13:00]The police has created human chain for some reason right outside their house.

[01:13:04]Uh they're condoning of this exact you can see the visuals right now. Please uh I request my VJ to show you the visuals they have created. There are around 15 uh police people who have created a human chain outside her gate.

[01:13:20]More details are being disclosed in Tisha's death case. Seven anti-mortem injuries are in focus.

[01:13:30]Twisha Sharma had injuries on her body.

[01:13:33]Seven injuries on her body. She had them on her elbow, her wrist and also her scalp. When did they come? This was not postmortem. This was anti-mortem, which means it was before her death. Who is the person who could possibly have tortured Twisha Sharma hit her before her death? Has to now be seen.

[01:13:51]>> He mentioned the anti-mortm injuries. In fact, he said that there are seven injuries on Twisha Sharma's body and these are not postmortem but anti-mortm injuries and cannot be caused after her death. And this is an again a very very big development because the state of Madhya Pradesh itself mentioning that Twish Sharma's body had seven injury marks and then these were not postmortm but anti-motm injuries and this needs to be investigated.

[01:14:21]>> Today's court hearing has opened a whole new side of this case. The CBI doubts the presence of exjudge Giri Bala's sister-in-law during the autopsy.

[01:14:33]Giribala's sister was present during the first postmortem.

[01:14:39]This nexus needs to be established if the first postmortem was influenced.

[01:14:44]That's the big news that's coming in right now and we're breaking this. The CBI wants judicial custody and the reason they want judicial custody is also crystal clear. The nexus that Republic TV was questioning is also being questioned by the CBI. They say allegations have surfaced that Giribbala's sister was present during the first postmortm.

[01:15:06]In fact, the court has raised questions on Giribala trying to manipulate the case.

[01:15:14]Tisha's family, the state government in Madhya Pradesh and now CBI. Can everyone be wrong?

[01:15:37]Now viewers uh we have uh we have Tisha's father and Tusha's brother with us. I also want to introduce our panel.

[01:15:44]Yogita Bayana Swapnil Kotari Anurak Shvastav Tusha's lawyer Nirmal Korji former IPS officer Janandiadra advocate advocate Susi Bensha and Raman Malik who's proBJP in this case now uh I'm I'm continuing and by the way calls are open you were just about to say something about uh you know what your sister went through Major Harshett before I interrupted just before the break so you can continue and then I'll open this up. Yes, please.

[01:16:15]Arrest Gibbala is my hashtag tonight, please. Yeah.

[01:16:19]>> Yeah.

[01:16:20]>> Sir, all I actually want to say is the very things that we were trying to bring out which were initially alleged assumptions and uh narratives are turning out to be facts. Now, this is what we've been telling from the very beginning and now they're coming up and people are actually acknowledging that these are facts and not just narratives. perpetual.

[01:16:40]>> Can you speak about some of those facts which have now come out say in the last 24 hours?

[01:16:46]>> All those alleged allegations, the facts that we were trying to put up and were termed as allegations from our end, from the very beginning. Say for example the doctor who was there, the IPS officer who was there, uh the fact that the FI was delayed, the fact that the PM report was dubious, the fact that there were so many findings which were not uh given in the initial investigation, the fact that the room was not never sealed, the fact that they were allowed to move around freely in their own house, which is the scene of incident them. So many facts like that and pro possibly that is the reason the solicitor general himself said that the institution is on trial today.

[01:17:38]So the solicitor general said the institution is on trial. Was he referring to the institution of the judiciary?

[01:17:46]Of course they are the ones who have been influencing it all throughout.

[01:17:54]The fact that these people are connected with them and they choose to utilize their authority, utilize their chair in means and ways to disrupt the very thing that they stand for.

[01:18:08]righteousness, justice, they're denying each bit of it to the ones seeking it.

[01:18:18]Ladies and gentlemen, yesterday the chief justice of India said to the family of Tusha they should not talk and today yesterday they had a protest appearance but it is impossible to tell the family to be censored and if the chief justice of India is watching I think it is impossible to censor the family of a victim and as a responsible media organization we won't. And Major Harshid you will not be censored and Abdini Sharma Gi you will not be gagged for if you are gagged Hershit and your father is censored then there will be no justice in this country. You are fully aware of what the chief justice has said and warned you against but you are still coming on air with me and I am bringing you on air as well. May I ask you I know as a media person I'm bringing you on air why I'm doing that despite what the chief justice has said and warned. Why are you on air major hersid? You're a serving army officer. Why are you on air?

[01:19:14]>> You've been our eyes and ears all through this uh journey. I the perilous journey that we had my family had to undertake by force.

[01:19:25]The fact that we have reached where we wanted to that is for the case to be heard in Supreme Court F4 at least once.

[01:19:35]Right after we got we got there, the first order that was passed was not about the institutional bias but for removing the very power the only power that we had which is to speak.

[01:19:50]>> Which is to speak >> which is to speak.

[01:19:54]That is the only power a family of a victim has. Ladies and gentlemen, therefore I I shall share this with you.

[01:20:01]If you want to speak to members of the family, you can. My lines are open.

[01:20:04]Vardan Kana is calling. Verdan Kana is calling from Delhi. Mr. Kana, are you there?

[01:20:13]Okay, we'll patch him. It's not patched.

[01:20:15]I was just told. Okay.

[01:20:20]Jan, Dadra, Susi Bensha, Raman Malik, Nirmal, Anurag, Swapnil and Yogita Bayana. The dam has burst.

[01:20:28]The truth is out. The people are saying they will not be gagged.

[01:20:33]Which means somewhere swapnil there is a lot of anger that has begun to build up and even if the judiciary is trying to protect one of its own >> the people will then question the judiciary even more loudly I feel swapnil >> uh it's a very sad state of affairs that the judiciary today is being questioned and I do not like it as being an officer of the court and I know within your hearts deep hearts you are not liking it either but you have to do it because truth is ultimately the goal that we need to pursue and I remember the quotes of uh a great American judge justice learn at hand who said that if we want to preserve our democracy we shall follow only one commandment thou shalt not ration justice and here justice unfortunately seems to have been selectively rationed had thrish Sharma's family been extremely powerful and influential the the scenario would have been completely different there would have been no anticipatory bill there would have been no procedural discrepancies the matter would not have even reached the Supreme Court for that matter so or no uh the the Assertions today made by the advocates for the family have been very clear that Giribala misused her liberty. She completely tried to tamper the evidence and funnily funnily the entire scene of crime has been left open for abuse for potential tampering to try to put any evidence that could inh you know go against and I think we will have sufficient material to nail uh the accused in this sense and hopefully I think tomorrow the judgment after 3 hours of long protracted hearing today which was very necessary Given the fact given the facts and circumstances I think justice would be met and her bill should be cancelled because it was given as pointed out by the CBI as pointed out by the ASG as pointed out by Tisha's lawyers by Sedat Lutra that this entire narrative of you know Giribala coming out and talking and talking about our own CDs making 40 phone calls etc was absolutely to try to influence the proceedings and tamper with it is called interference justice.

[01:22:38]It's as simple as that. So the bail was premature and it must be cancelled so that appropriate procedure she may take bail afterwards but she has to be taken into judicial custody.

[01:22:47]>> No the what has happened here is that this has happened on the heels of the justice Yashwan case and the feeling has been yoga that when it comes to judges they get a quote unquote honorable exit.

[01:23:04]Why should a person who does a dishonorable thing get an honorable exit?

[01:23:12]It has become very important to arrest Giribbala for the people of this country to see this judge in lockup this time.

[01:23:20]Unlike in the case of Justice Yashwant who was given a honorable exit, this lady does not deserve an honorable exit at all. This is not some bloodthirsty cry. This is not a kangaroo court. This is on the basis of facts that are there before us. Yogita, the importance of arresting this judge. Your thoughts? She has to be in lockup. She has to be in police custody with common criminals.

[01:23:49]>> All the more.

[01:23:50]>> Yes.

[01:23:53]All the more reason it will restore our faith in judicial system. Otherwise we have actually lost all our hopes and where they are supposed to be protecting the law protecting the people if they are indulged it is definitely a solidarity they are showing solidarity towards each other and trying to protect her let's face it and I don't have any high hopes from judiciary because we have seen enough and we should not we should call it as it is it is definitely hands and gloves with it >> so we we really need to see one example they need to show that they have to restore the faith in in common man, common women of the country that we are with you. We are not with each other.

[01:24:34]They they they have to stop scratching each other's back. They have to stop protecting each other. If she's involved all the more reasons they need to do a fair justice so that we have uh you know our faith intact otherwise what will I tell a common girl who's like you know raped every now and then we keep getting cases how will I tell when they see this kind of a this woman they are telling me I'm telling you I have dealt with few cases they what happened to that judge >> this woman Navidi >> they cannot be doing that >> is a very coldhearted type of person at 10:10 is the last phone call with your wife.

[01:25:10]>> Yeah. Around 10:5.

[01:25:11]>> Around 10:05. 5 minutes past 10 on the 12th.

[01:25:15]>> Yeah.

[01:25:16]>> And at about 10:40 she calls and says, "Your daughter is dead."

[01:25:20]>> Yeah.

[01:25:22]>> After 34 minutes. At >> 30 odd minutes.

[01:25:24]>> What does she say exactly?

[01:25:28]>> Uh, she's not breathing. She is not no more. She's >> She is not breathing. Did she give you a reason why she was no more?

[01:25:39]No, not to my knowledge because I heard only these two words.

[01:25:42]>> She's not breathing.

[01:25:43]>> She's not breathing. She's no more.

[01:25:46]I heard these two words later on. Uh >> she told your wife, >> huh? Not wife but uh Hershit wife.

[01:25:53]>> Harshett's wife.

[01:25:53]>> Wife in the conversation.

[01:25:55]>> Arshett tell me about that what this Gibbala told your wife and everybody is listening to you tonight.

[01:26:04]Tell me the exact conversation so that people understand the mentality of this judge.

[01:26:11]Can you unmute yourself please? Thank you. Harsh. Harsh again. You're muted.

[01:26:15]Thank you.

[01:26:17]Yeah.

[01:26:20]I can't hear you again. I can't hear you again. There's a problem with the audio there. It's a very important moment. We have to fix the audio out there. He's going to log in and log out again. But this is a this is a terrible person.

[01:26:35]There's a dangerous woman Nirmal.

[01:26:38]She calls Nirmal Korji, former IPS officer joining us from Chennai. She calls the her daughter-in-law's sister-in-law and says that she's dead and she does not give any explanation as if she does not owe any explanation at all.

[01:26:58]Can you unmute yourself ma'am