Broken Plea Review Pt 6 (Ch 12-14)

Ajouté : 2026-05-30

[00:00:00]Welcome back, y'all. Happy Monday or happy Tuesday or whatever day of the week it is when you're watching this because it always takes a few days after I record it for y'all to get it. I am back again for yet another review of Christopher Wickham's new book, Broken Ple. I do not remember at this point what part we're actually on because seems like this book review has been going on forever. But we are almost done now. We are at part three and I think there's like five more chapters to go.

[00:00:26]We're going to try to get as many done today as possible, but there's probably going to be one more video about the book after this one. But for right now, let's get started.

[00:00:36]Very dramatic intro today. We are now at part three, the third and final part of the book, and it is titled Absolute Devotion. And just like the other two parts, this part opens up with a snippet of a letter from Brian Cobberger. This letter was written October 6th, 2023.

[00:00:51]Dear family, together hand in hand and galvanized by the wisdom of the singular heart, we triumphantly ascend to new peaks, thus apprehending the beautiful pattern/formm of the labyrinthine path taken before. Indeed, we have traversed many once novel territories, finding that when all else may seem variable/entropic, it is the one constant from which clarity and serenity are ever accessible. dot dot dot love always Brian BC burn buddy brother Brian Cber Law County Jail and once again we can clearly see BK's love for big words but now that we've looked at this third and last letter snippet I want y'all to look at something I've circled here I don't know if y'all have noticed but in every single letter Brian uses the word heart and he capitalizes the word heart in the part one letter he wrote I have no doubt that your Hart, capital Hart, was conscious of what I intended. In the part two letter, the letter to his sister, he wrote, "The August effect can be analogized to the gravitation of heart's promise unto the green pastures ahead." And in this one, he wrote together hand in hand and galvanized by the wisdom of the singular heart. And singular heart is both capitalized. Now, this means something. I don't know what it means. And this popped out at me because I guess because over time I've researched and dug into various clubs aka cults and they all seem to use particular language. Like that's a big it's a big thing with those clubs. So I wanted to know if there were any known groups in BK's area of Pennsylvania. I didn't have a lot of luck finding any.

[00:02:40]But this the fact that he's talking to his family this way. the wisdom of the singular heart together hand in hand and galvanized by the wisdom of the singular heart. They have to understand what he's talking about. Even if we don't, they're going to know this. And I have a feeling it's going to come down to their religion, right? Because we know that Brian Coberger is a Catholic. And we know that because of some of the documents from other WSU students who described BK as being a very strong Catholic. And I did find in Catholic lore or Catholic history an old club of sorts the order of the sacred heart. And there's a few other references that seem to reference some type of group that used the language of the sacred heart of Jesus type stuff. Like I said, I didn't have a lot of success trying to look into this, but I am certain that this means something something that they understand that we do not. And so I do plan on looking further into that and maybe some Pennsylvania history if we have some Order of Sacred Heart type stuff. The Sacred Heart cult maybe is living on somewhere out there. I don't know. I don't know. But I know that this is not normal speech. This has a a a twang of of culty to it. I'm familiar with the twang. And what BK is writing here is twangy. It's got that culty twang for sure. But moving past BK's mysterious letter, we're now at chapter 12 and it is titled 8458 phone redacted Paloo River Drive. And right off the bat here in the very first paragraph, there's a little bit of confusion, or at least it left me in some confusion. It says, "Brian Christopher Cobberger first appeared on police radar November 29th, 2022, approximately 2 weeks after the crimes." According to the prosecution's timeline, his white 2015 Hyundai Elantre. Funny how he got the year on the car right this time. Had just been identified in a search of Washington State University vehicle registrations by officer Daniel Tieno. This was the same day MSP officer Malry obtained a search warrant for Kayle's Tinder account. The victim's cars were towed from 1122 King Road and Detective Dolinger transported the KBAR knife sheath to the ISP lab. The FBI had arrived on scene. National media was descending in hordes. Tip lines were ringing off the hook with promising leads. Things were happening fast. It did not take long for the officer's discovery to help law enforcement home in on Coberger as the sole focus of their investigation. Within hours, detectives began gathering personal information from the Washington State Registars's office, checking criminal histories, canvasing surveillance video, auditing traffic stops, and obtaining search warrants for records from Google and AT&T to the Pennsylvania DMV.

[00:05:22]Working together, MPD, ISP, and FBI investigators tagged the 28-year-old PhD student in criminology as male, white, six feet with brown hair and blue eyes.

[00:05:31]Okay, pause. Because the way he is narrating this is not quite the way it went down. Or at least not quite the way it went down that they tell us now. But I will say about this part, he does circle back later in this chapter to what my hang-up is here because this story is going along with the whole WSU officers found Kobar's name. They're running the cars. Even though Brett Payne, the lead Moscow investigator, said on the stand in the IGG hearing in January 2025 that he first heard Coberger's name on December 19th. But we're going to let Chris Wickholm get to his point here. And he does circle back to that. They determined that he had arrived on campus June 30th, 2022 with his father in a four-door sedan after stopping the previous night in Gardener, Montana. They obtained credit card and registration records, proving the two men spent their first night in town at the Quality Inn after purchasing groceries at the local Safeway and basic household items such as a knife set, towels, and a utility cloth at Walmart.

[00:06:35]They determined that Coberger moved into his one-bedroom apartment on July 1st, 2022 and obtained a Washington driver's license later that day. Reaching further, they discovered that the owner of the White Elantre had most recently lived in Albrightsville, Pennsylvania, where he grew up in a two-story white colonial with his dad Michael, his mother Maryanne, one sister named Amanda, and another named Melissa. They documented that prior to enrolling in Washington State University, Brian C.

[00:07:00]Coberger attended Pleasant Valley schools and Broadhead Headsville, then Northampton Community College and D Sales University. His high school yearbook showed him doing push-ups in a police cadet uniform. He had lost a lot of weight as a teenager, suffered addictions, loved a dog named Scout. He claimed to be allergic to a broad spectrum of foods, and at one time suffered with a neurological disorder called visual snow. The WSU teaching assistant lived at 16:30 Northeast Valley Road in Pullman in a one-bedroom apartment designated 2011. And we've gone over a lot of that already in the videos about Brian Coberger and his background and all that, but I wanted to read it again for just anybody who hadn't watched those other videos. The book goes on, "Despite early successes, however, police wanted more. Forensic analysis and autopsy reports clearly indicated that these murders were crimes of rage. Yet, there was no evidence that Koger had ever met the victims. Why would a highly intelligent, well-educated man from Pennsylvania enroll in a PhD program at the other end of the country just to commit murder?

[00:07:56]How would an otherwise law-abiding graduate student with no history of apparent behavior plan and execute one of the most heinous crimes in Idaho history? How did he know the house well enough to get in, call victims from survivors, and get out in about four minutes? An excellent question. Quite a good question. But then further down this page, the book talks a little bit about BK's parents. Mr. and Mrs. Cobberger had raised three kids working for the Pleasant Valley School District.

[00:08:22]They lived in a two-story colonial style house on a quiet street in a private gated community called Indian Mountain Lake. Most of their extended family lived in Brooklyn, New York. Now, that does answer why in the video that came out of Brian Cobberger in the DMV office talking to the lady, the DMV worker, and he mentions being from Brooklyn. And when he said that, I was like, "No, you're not, bro. You're from Pennsylvania." But that does make sense that his family was from Brooklyn. From the outside looking in, most people would consider Brian's youth normal. His parents were married on Valentine's Day in 1987 in a small Catholic wedding of about 50 people at St. Patrick's Church in Bay Ridge. Mrs. Cobberger was born and raised in nearby Carol Gardens where she attended and then taught Catholic school for 8 years. See what I'm saying?

[00:09:08]Strong Catholics here. She loved Brooklyn but felt it was too expensive to raise a family. So 6 years later, they moved west to Pennsylvania where she obtained public school certification but did not get a job. So, she worked most of her life as a paraprofessional with children in the fifth and sixth grade. Now, I'm confused what that means because it also says that she worked for the Pleasant Valley School District. But this says she obtained a public school certification but did not get a job. So, she worked most of her life as a pair professional with children in the fifth and sixth grade. If she worked with children in the fifth and sixth grade, doesn't that mean she did get a job with the public schools? Maybe that's just a like certificate technicality thing, like a job qualification technicality that I don't quite understand, but I'm just not sure what they meant by that. Brian was the youngest of three children. He was bright, though not very athletic, good-looking in traditional ways.

[00:10:06]Not sure I would call Brian Cower good-looking, but I suppose maybe to some people, though awkward socially, that's definitely true. Police would eventually discover a history of substance abuse and limited social acceptance based on spectrum disorders, but he had no history of violence or interactions with the law. Saying he was close to his family might seem an understatement considering he lived at home until the summer of 2022 when he moved to Washington at the age of 27.

[00:10:31]According to friends and family, he loved outdoor activities and baseball, especially the Yankees. He had never had a girlfriend, but was particularly close to the family dog. I circled here that they said that Brian had never had a girlfriend because that is an enduring belief about BK, that he never had a girlfriend. But this isn't quite true, which we will find out in a couple of pages. This says that on December 30th, 2022, Brian's mom, Maryanne Cobberger, was interviewed by FBI special agents at the Pennsylvania State Police Fern Ridge barracks in Blley, where she and her husband had been taken while their house was being searched. And following this is some of the most fascinating passages in this book in my opinion because it gives us snippets of Brian's mom's interview, which we have never seen. We have never seen any of the Coberger family interviews because they were done by the FBI and the FBI is still sitting on all their interviews. I don't think they ever plan to release them. But now, for the first time ever, we have some direct quotes from Maryanne Coberger about her son. Though I really wish Christopher Wickholm would have given us the entire interviews. I don't see why he could not because these little snippets are obviously out of context and probably not even in order, but we're going to work with what we got.

[00:11:47]This begins on page 318. Special agent Eric Bailey questioned Maryanne regarding a conversation which took place prior to Brian moving to Washington State. Maryanne recalled a conversation in which she suggested Brian obtain something to defend himself in the event of a bear attack while Brian hiked in the western US. Then Wickcom leaves the comment. Though the first part of this interview was not recorded, essay Bailey clearly seems interested in a KBAR knife police say Brian purchased with an Amazon gift card while living in Pennsylvania. What do you mean the first part of her interview was not recorded?

[00:12:24]That doesn't seem to be standard procedure. So, I'm wondering if this first comment about her recalling this conversation is actually where the audio or the recording picks up. I don't know.

[00:12:35]But I find it alarming that they weren't recording that. Then he quotes the interview again. Maryanne did not know if Brian purchased anything for this purpose and was unaware of Brian specifically purchasing a knife for this purpose. Now, this little snippet actually circles back to a court document about the purchase of this KBAR knife from Amazon. One, we have no real proof of purchase about the KBAR knife.

[00:12:56]We've never seen any actual receipts or anything like that. However, wish I had it in front of me, but I don't feel like digging through my giant box and pausing the video long enough to do that to find it. So, I'm going to just try to quote this from memory. Passage said something along the lines of around the same time this KBAR knife was supposedly purchased, other outdoorsy items were also purchased. Things like a roadside kit and bear spray. When I'm editing this, I will find that document and put that passage on the screen. But it always seemed clear to me by looking at that document where it lists all these other very clearly like hiking outdoor type items that if the KBAR knife was purchased around that same time period, well, it goes directly in line with these other hunting, camping, hiking items. It wasn't a standalone purchase like he just randomly purchased a knife.

[00:13:46]No, a bunch of these type of items were purchased all at the same time. And all of those purchases make a lot more sense when you look at the fact that Brian's mom, which we all know Brian's very, very close to his mom, was telling him how worried she was and that he needed to get things to protect himself and to be prepared. This shows a motive for the KBAR knife purchase, if he actually did purchase it. But let's carry on. Chris Wickcom writes that the second part of the FBI document is a transcription of the larger recorded interview with other special agents, but at 38 pages, the transcript is too long to reprint here.

[00:14:21]No, no, it wasn't too long, Christopher Wickholm, you could have printed this here. Give me a book this thick if you need to want the documents, please.

[00:14:29]Please, please, pretty please with a cherry on top. I'm grateful for the snippets, but I want the full thing.

[00:14:34]Chris Mcome, if you need that kidney, it's still on offer for you. Okay. But on the next page, the book goes into how the special agents were small talking with Maryann Coberger. Establish some trust, get her comfortable so she starts talking more freely. The feds were employing their manipulation techniques.

[00:14:51]And as he points out in this case, Mrs. Cobberger stands at a significant disadvantage because she's isolated, emotionally distraught, and has no lawyer. No one has mirandized her because it is not a custodial interview, and she's never been implicated in or suspected of any of the crimes. But anything she says will certainly be used at trial. And after this, he gives a couple of strange snippets. Snippets that are out of context that don't I'm not even sure what they're talking about. And he does make a point to also say he doesn't even really know what they're talking about because it appears she's responding to a question about her son's drug use, but there's no transcribed reference to that specific topic. But here's the little snippets.

[00:15:28]She said, you know, so we've always we've always been there, you know, Mrs. Coberger states well into the interview, but it was very short-lived. Then he gives another snippet. We were fortunate in that regard because um like in our community, a lot of families were not as as fortunate. It was very ongoing and and we had a lot of people that we know that lost children to it. So, we felt really lucky and very very fortunate and blessed. I mean, from the little we can tell, she could be talking about BK's drug use, but then again, she could be talking about something else. We don't know because apparently the FBI didn't record the full thing, but Chris Wickholm also didn't transcribe the full thing. And he could be deliberately taking this out of context for all we know. But he did give some quotes from the officers that also makes it appear like they're talking about the drug use.

[00:16:18]Well, and even with me, one of the agents says, "Trying to play on a mother's love for her son under extraordinarily difficult circumstances.

[00:16:24]I've been part of many drug investigations and you run into people with addiction problems and you know, you see people they progress or there people who go the other way and I've seen people fall victim to that but um dot dot dot then another paragraph down he gives a quote from that agent's partner more often than not really when I hear a success story like that it's I always say never give up on someone with a problem like that you know but here we are Mrs. Coberger responds, you know, so dot dot dot. My problem with this is I feel like he chopped these up to be confusing as well. This is so unclear. Like even the responses he's listing doesn't make sense with the question or the statement before that. I don't know y'all, but I do know that there's something about these couple of pages and the way that these little snippets and quotes are pulled out that raises my hair up. I don't I don't trust this. I think maybe there was another subject that is being worked around in the midst of this or something. I I don't know, but I don't like it. I'm just going to say that. Then the book says the special agents turned things back to the matter at hand. The FBI agent says, "Well, and that's what again, not to sound like a broken record, but that's why we're here. We want to know more about the person, Brian. He's my angel." His mother told them, "There's no better person to tell his story." Philip prods.

[00:17:43]And once again, his mother stated, "He's my angel." So to Maryanne Coberger, Brian Coberger was an angel, her angel.

[00:17:51]But like we all know, she was very, very close with her son. So a lot of mothers feel that way, that their children are their angels. But then the officers ask about Brian's social life. Did he have any friends? Did he just stay at home?

[00:18:04]And his mother told them that he doesn't have a big group of friends. No. He touched base with one of his best friends from Arizona who's still in Arizona. Um, but no, he's been mostly home with his family, just chilling. So, the Arizona thing is interesting to me only because so many things seem to lead back to Arizona, and I'm not sure why.

[00:18:23]We know that Zana and her sister for a good portion of their childhood lived in Arizona. We know that when Zana was at U of I, her father lived in Arizona. And I just find that a little odd, like just odd connecting factors sometimes that may not have anything to do with anything, but is always worth noting.

[00:18:41]Maryanne then described her son as a homebody and says everything seemed normal when he returned from school. She tells the FBI her son is a regular guy who likes to run but does not work out.

[00:18:50]And later one of the officers asks her, "He's kind. He's your baby. Does he have any anger issues ever?" And Mrs. Cobberger responded that her son is not an angry person, that he's never exhibited any confrontational behavior, and that he does not hold grudges, which is pretty interesting since now we have a guy with no history of violence, and also not really any history of anger, which directly contradicts the rage motivated killings. Correct. But they then asked Maryanne about girlfriends or boyfriends, which was very inclusive of the officer. And Mrs. Cober responded that he doesn't have any girlfriends right now, adding later that he's had a couple, but not a lot. Well, that directly contradicts what he wrote just a couple of pages ago. The same old idea that people keep talking about that Brian Coberger had never had a girlfriend. Well, according to his mama, he has had a girlfriend. Just a couple, not a lot. But a couple is more than none. And I'm sure some people will say, "Oh, well, you know, it's his mom. Of course, his mom would say that. Why would she make up girlfriends, though?

[00:19:55]But two, she kind of proves it with her next little statement. When asked about any potential romantic interests in Washington, she says only that he was quote making friends and that she does not know the names of a lot of them. She tells special agent Phillips she would feel uncomfortable even mentioning them, but brought up one international student, later identified and interviewed in mainstream media as a WSU colleague. That international student is the same girl that we saw in the store footage walking around and shopping with Brian. Very normal behavior, which also shows that not every female hated Brian and thought he was so creepy. I'm not familiar though with the interview that mainstream media did with her. So, I'm going to look for that. And also directly contradicting the mainstream narrative incel theory. Christopher Wickholm also clarifies that this is not the woman named Haley who said she went on a Tinder date with Coberger while he was a graduate student in Pennsylvania.

[00:20:54]I don't imagine an incel someone who couldn't get laid no matter what was actually going on Tinder dates but Brian Kberger was. He matched with girls on Tinder and met up with them.

[00:21:07]The deeper you look, the more that incel can't get a girlfriend, really wants a girl, hates women because he can't get a girl thing, the more that seems blatantly false. But on the next page, it says that when asked about his adaptation to life alone on the other side of the country, Mrs. Cobberger says her son has adapted well, has seemed happy in regular phone conversations, has checked in almost every day, and sent pictures of his new apartment in Pullman. The special agent asked would he talk to other family members, and she said, um, no. He would call his dad and, you know, talk to the girls once in a while, but mostly me. Mother and son talks, the officer asked, and she said, "Yes, mother and son talks." The officer asked, "Did he have any concerns or anything like that about school or were you concerned about anything?" And she said, "No, you just finished the semester with a 3.8." And in the next little section, she's talking about Brian's organization skills, which is pretty interesting when we look through the lens of OCD. We know that Brian Coberger had some OCD type tendencies like the constant handwashing. And a lot of people seem to think that he could have gotten away with the crimes because of his OCD because he obsessively cleans up and pays attention to the little details of cleaning up because OCD people clean a lot. Well, guys, that's not always true. Not every form of OCD is the cleaning OCD. Brian has germ OCD, which is a little different. It seems he didn't really have the my living space has to be perfectly sp and span organizational type of OCD because Maryanne says he's very organized so he gets things done. Well, sometimes mostly he's organized when it comes to his work, but that sometimes at home he would get sloppy with clothing and stuff like that. Maryanne also said that BK had no hobbies other than an interest in being outdoors and a love for nature.

[00:22:52]Officers then ask her about Brian's sleep patterns. Does he sleep or is he one of those people who is like a night owl and then sleeps during the day? And Mrs. Cobberger answered that it depends on what's going on. Like if he has things that he has to do during the course of the day, then obviously he's going to do that, but sometimes he's up at night. And that backs up some other statements we have already received about BK from like his neighbors and Pullman who said that he was often up at night and that he often took late night drives. I believe it was also his father early on that said something about Brian was known to take these late night drives to clear a head. So, that's a lot of different statements, a good amount of proof, if you will, that it was very common for BK to be up and around at night and driving around at night. And then the book says this would turn out to be critical later when investigators discovered he had turned his cell phone off at 2:42 a.m. until 4:50 a.m. the morning of the crimes. At one point, his defense team argued that he was prone to go out late and stargaze, and at least one witness saw him going out after dark to hike up into the mountains near WSU.

[00:23:51]Maryanne Cobberger then tells the FBI that her son is not a party animal. He's not a drinker. She reiterates that her son is normal in typical ways, that the two of them share a mother-son bond, and that if he confided anything, it would be to her. The book points out that they talk about the white 2015 Elantre that belongs to her son, the car that she and her husband bought for him. Mrs. Cobberger says she's seen reports on the news, but wasn't concerned because the car that police had been looking for is a different year of manufacturer. She says her son's car looks nothing like the one shown on TV. It has a whole different front. Yes. Yes, it does. I agree with Maryanne Coberger completely because they were showing a different car, a car that did not look like BK's car, but now we know that later after BK was identified, they narrowed down the car search to match his. Then there's a quote from Mrs. Coberger that made me kind of sad for her. She said, "What's going through my mind right now is that this is a really, really bad mistake.

[00:24:50]What's going on? Like, what's happening here?" And one of the agents says, "Um, yeah, I sympathize with that because as a mom, I definitely would think the same way." And Mrs. Cobberger responded to me. I feel like I know it is. We know what our, you know, who our children are. You know, never ever ever, she says when told that the purpose of the interview is to find out whether she's had any concerns about behaviors that might indicate her son's involvement in the crimes. My son would not do this. I would stake my life on that. There's a mistake. Something is wrong here. And that's what I believe. That's what I know in my heart. Mrs. Cobberger lived with her son until he left the family home for Washington. Throughout the interview, she seems both shocked and certain police have mistaken her son for a killer. Clearly, Maryanne Cobberger did not believe her son was guilty. She did not believe her son was capable of this. And that answers something that a lot of people have questioned over time.

[00:25:40]That if BK was not responsible for these crimes, why would his family say nothing? Why have they never come out and said their son was innocent? Why are they not saying there's no way Brian did this? Well, it is true that they still have not come out publicly and said those things. This says that Maryanne did tell the feds that, that they were wrong, that he would never ever do that, that she believes her son is innocent.

[00:26:03]And in my opinion, now this is just my opinion. I believe they haven't said that publicly out of respect for the victim's families. They know that Brian plead guilty to this crime. He took responsibility for it legally. I can see how in their minds it would be disrespectful to argue that publicly. And I mean, okay, so we all know that recently one of BK's sisters just in the past year or so, few months or so, did come out and do an interview and she was so respectful. I thought I thought she did really well. I think she was very careful with her words and she made a point to be so respectful and so sympathetic about the victims and the victim's families. And people still ripped her apart for that. They still acted like she was terrible for doing an interview at all. So, I completely understand why the Cobberers have not made a public statement that they believe their son is innocent. But on the other hand, I kind of wish they would. I kind of wish they would because I do believe at this point the tide is turning on the narrative. There are more and more people that are going, you know what? It does look like something's wrong here. So, I do hope that the Cooberers, if they do still believe that Brian had nothing to do with this, that they will come out and find the courage to speak out publicly about that. Cuz since Brian hasn't said anything either, a lot of people that are on the fence make that argument about, well, if he is innocent, why hasn't he said anything?

[00:27:33]Why hasn't his family said anything? I mean, I I question that, especially BK himself, like, bro, speak, okay, please.

[00:27:41]But he will not he will not speak or at least has not so far. But unfortunately, this is where the quotes from Brian's mom ends, which I'm a little sad about because I wish I could read her full interview. I wish I could read every word that woman said, but alas, we cannot. And so the book goes on and Chris Wickcom then gives a copy of the PCA, which we've gone over at length, so I'm not going to go through this. But after the PCA, the book states that among files accessed by the author are 3,59 text messages sent and received by Brian Cobberger between June 23rd and December 29th, 2022. The fact that Bill Thompson's office did not refer to a single one speaks volumes about Cobberger's mindset and how he interacted with the world around him.

[00:28:26]Detailed analysis reveals patterns that might have interested behavioral analysts if they had been called in by either side in this case. Statistically, more than 99.9% of Kberger's cell contacts involved members of his family.

[00:28:38]Of those, roughly 70% were back and forth with his mother and father, followed by about 30% with his sisters.

[00:28:44]And virtually all communications were positive, cheerful, normal, everyday stuff. The real interest police took in his personal communications, of course, involved state of mind and motive. And what they found probably seemed disappointing considering that his first text Saturday morning was sent at 4:11 a.m. to his mother. a JPEG image that was not further disclosed. He continued to text his family at 4:24 a.m. and 4:28 a.m., but said nothing else until 4:33 p.m. when he reached out to his father asking for a call and got a text in return from his mother. It said, "Bud, sorry, I was exercising and totally out of breath to be able to talk well. I will talk to you later this evening, finalizing my little routine." So, that Saturday morning, November 12th, we've got normal communication patterns from BK to his family members. It may seem odd to us, but it was normal for him.

[00:29:34]The book then talks a little bit about BK's relationship with his father and how Michael Kberger spent three days driving 2600 miles from Pullman, Washington to Albrightville, Pennsylvania with his son shortly after the murders. Perhaps police likely thought they had discussed the crimes.

[00:29:49]So on December 20th, 2022, Michael Coberger was interviewed at the Pennsylvania State Police Fernidge barracks, same as Maryanne Coberger. a little different than Maryannne. It does appear that Mr. Cobberger, Brian's dad, had originally been detained on site when their house got swatted by the Pennsylvania State Police's special emergency response team, but he was released from temporary custody by PSP officers once the scene was secured. He was then transported by FBI agents to the Fern Ridge barracks in Blley. And it's interesting to note that Michael Coberger's interview was fully recorded, unlike Maryannne's. Though we do not know exactly what Michael Coberger told the FBI because we don't have his interview and Chris Wickcom did not leave us any snippets here. He does note that nothing Michael Coberger told the FBI appears to have been mentioned in Bill Thompson's findings and that it seems reasonable to believe that Michael Coberger told the FBI nothing incriminating about his son. And then in the rest of the chapter, the author is really just pulling up snippets of interviews that we have the documents of from other inmates describing Brian Cobberger, like the one with the guy who was housed with Cobberger from early January to February, who said Cobberger enjoyed watching the news about his case unless it began talking about his family and friends, at which point he would change the channel. And as time continued, Coberger stopped watching the news about his case completely. But now we are at chapter 13. Author Laboratories ibuprofen Dylan's green jacket. And on the first page of this chapter, Wickcom makes a good point that I feel is very accurate. He said that after three years and tens of thousands of man-h hours building files full of half a million items, the state of Idaho's entire investigation can be grouped into just two categories. A few human cells found in Mattie Mogan's room and everything else. The case against Brian Coberger seems to hang on the forensic examination of a KBAR knife sheath and a tiny sample of DNA. For the record, we're talking about a sheath, not the knife itself. No murder weapon has ever been recovered, and the prosecution has never once claimed to know exactly what produced the edged weapon injuries inflicted upon the victims. Though media speculation has tied the sheath and wound characteristics to the KBAR's flattop blade, the defense claims evidence of four separate instruments. Autopsy reports detail various depths of intrusive injuries that are labeled by the coroner as two-edged, single edge, and round. So on the actual autopsy reports, the coroner labeled these injuries two-edged, single-edged, round. Yet somehow the prosecution has still convinced a very large portion of the world, not just America at this point, of the world that this crime was committed by one single person with a single KBAR knife. But then the book goes on, other than the steak knife Hunter Johnson took from the kitchen, no brand, type, or specific item has been named. No crime lab has ever matched them. Then on the next page, Chris Wickcom jumps back to Brent Turvy's interview. the interview that Turvy did with Chris Wickcom before he wrote the book and all that that he's quoted numerous times and other chapters which does drive me a little crazy as as a lover of books as a longtime reader as someone who devours fiction and non-fiction books like they possess the air I need to breathe. I need books to live. I will say that his style of writing drives me freaking crazy. The jumping around and whatnot. Like that's cool in a fiction book if you want to do some flashbacks and whatnot, but this is a non-fiction book. Can we get it in non-fiction format, please? But that's just me being critical, I think, because I read a lot of books. But anyway, here's another quote from Turvy. He stated that no matter what the prosecution wants you to believe, this thing was a mess. We don't know if that scabbard was found on the floor or in the bed. We don't know who placed it in the bag, so we don't know where the bag went either, or who handled it. We don't know which sample the FBI actually tested because it was sent to a private lab in Texas first. And in my view, they appeared to have been fired by the ISP because their results did not match what the prosecution wanted to hear. Also note that we don't know which sample the FBI tested because the swab on that sheath was resubmitted. The truth is we don't even know how the FBI tied the DNA to Coberger because it sure as hell wasn't Cotus and it is illegal to use commercial sites which we already know.

[00:34:13]It has already been proven and documented in the court documents that the FBI did dip into these commercial sites that was is illegal for them to do. But I guess if you're the feds, the law doesn't really apply to you. They're just guidelines that you can cross and disregard if it fits their purpose.

[00:34:33]Chris Wickcomm also notes that it is important to note that much of Turvy's eye is based on terabytes worth of information that he has seen and we have not. And I have no doubt about that.

[00:34:42]Everyone that's worked the case has probably seen so much information that we have never seen and probably will never see, even though I really wish we would see it. Derby released the files.

[00:34:51]On the next page, Chris Wick then again points out some of the major problems with the case that he's discussed throughout this book. Bill Thompson did not mention that Ethan Chapen died with a chunk of hair in his fist that was labeled as debris. No one has explained how Ethan's undiluted blood was found at the top of the stairwell leading down to the first floor. But then there's a quote from Turvy again. You know the biggest travesty in this whole thing?

[00:35:12]When Anne Taylor's office questioned how DNA on the knife was tested, the prosecution fought her tooth and nail.

[00:35:18]Look at the Frank's hearing transcripts.

[00:35:20]Look at her discovery filings and the prosecution's motions to suppress. They fought tooth and nail to keep her from finding out the most basic information about what boils down to their only real exhibit. I've never seen anything like it. And okay, he's calling this the Frank's hearing, but what he's actually referring to is the IGG hearing that took place in January 2025. And this chapter talks heavily about that IGG hearing. But then Chris Wickholm says something that is good to know here. It should be noted that among four expert witnesses interviewed by the author of this book, Dr. Turvy is one of only two who consented to his name being used. So I know I've said before that it appears that Turvy worked closely with Christopher Wickcom on this book. And I I do still believe that's true. But Turvy wasn't the only one. Dr. Turvy was not the only expert. He was not the only person that worked on this case that helped Chris Wickcom with this book.

[00:36:12]There were four of them, not just one.

[00:36:14]And then Chris Wickholm states that most important, we should consider that without leaks from disgusted experts like Turby, the public would not have known about possible chain of custody issues with the KBAR sheath or apparent discrepancies about where it was found.

[00:36:26]They would not be aware that Pette Sutton explained the lack of DNA in the defendant's car by suggesting he shed his blood soaked clothes and ran around the house naked. They would have no idea that the police seemed not to care that the first floor bathroom had been sanitized and was found completely empty of things a college student might use in day-to-day life. Staples like a toothbrush, a haird dryer, floor mats, discarded towels, clothes, makeup, toothpaste, eraser. There was no toilet paper at all. Now, I will argue that some of the things he just listed the public didn't know without the experts coming out. But nonetheless, his overall point is valid without people like Dr. for Brent Turvy without people like Christopher Wickcom there are a lot of things we wouldn't know some details we wouldn't know and I do believe because of their voices because of their credible voices they have helped open up the eyes of people who needed an expert in order to believe it so all in all I think we all owe Dr. Brent Turvy and Christopher Wickcom a big thank you for putting their necks on the line. Wish they did. Have y'all seen the way those men are getting ripped apart on the internet? Sheesh. But then he goes on, they would not know about a broken woman's bracelet found on the floor of the empty first floor bedroom.

[00:37:41]That it appeared to be stained with blood but was never tested or even seized as evidence. Worse, they would have no idea that police found a green blood soaked jacket in the same room or that it was handed to Dylan Mortonson as personal property. According to the police report, they would not know that the blood on the jacket was tested by an independent lab called Bode Technology, which found a mixture of DNA. They could not analyze further except the part that was Dylan's. I did know that the blanket tested positive for Dylan's blood. I didn't know it was a mixture. I didn't know the jacket came back with Dylan's blood. But throughout the rest of this chapter, Chris Wickcom is heavily focused on what Turvy keeps calling the Frank's hearing, the IGG hearing. And I do believe that anyone that has a deep interest in this case, if you have never read all the documents on your own, I highly recommend at least looking up that one and reading the full transcripts of that hearing. But it was quite a long hearing where quite a few experts testified. So, it's a lot to read. It's a lot to go over. But like I said, I highly suggest doing that.

[00:38:49]Highly recommend it because it is one of the most revealing documents in this entire case file. But one of the quotes he pulled from that hearing was when Brett Payne was on the stand and he stated that the first time he heard Brian Cobberger's name was December 19th, 2022. He was asked by Anne Taylor and what was that the result of and Payne answered that was a result of investigative genetic genealogy that was undertaken by the FBI. We had a phone call that evening and we were told Brian Coberger's name before that Mr. Cobberger was not on your radar and he said no ma'am. Well, that directly contradicts their story of the WSU officers running the cars and identifying Brian Coberger in November.

[00:39:34]That suggests that what they put in that PCA was a lie because according to Brett Payne himself, he was told Brian Coberger's name by an FBI agent, specifically an FBI cast member who we know is special agent Nicholas Balance.

[00:39:50]But it should also be noted that though this suggests that the PCA could have been a lie, this could also suggest that Brett Payne was willing to lie on the stand. Because it says here that what Ann Taylor believes she knew and almost everyone else did not is that the police may have identified Ker as a person of interest well before before they supposedly stumbled onto his car, which they supposedly stumbled upon his car in November, which was well before December 19th. But clearly either way, we've got a liar liar pants on fire. His britches match Dylan Bortonson's britches because if they identified Cobberger December 19th, then he lied in the PCA. If they identified Brian Cobberger in November, then he lied on the stand. And if they identified Brian Kberger as a person of interest before even the cars, then he lied in both places. And I don't really want to go over here everything that he says about this IGG hearing because we've talked a lot about pieces of it over time already. But there is one particular quote that hit me like a slap in the face the first time I read it and Chris Wicko makes a point to print as well. Brett Payne explains on the stand.

[00:41:03]So the only thing that was given to us was Brian Kberger's name. That was it.

[00:41:07]It was conveyed to us by the FBI that it was to be taken as no more than a tip.

[00:41:11]That was it. So once we received his name, we set about doing basically an independent verification of whether or not he was involved in this crime. As Chris Wickholm comments, "In what reality would DNA identification of a killer by the FBI be treated as no more than a tip?" Exactly. But it's a section on the next page that really got me.

[00:41:29]This is Brett Payne and Ann Taylor going back and forth. She said, "Why did you become interested in learning the identity of Brian Coberger?" And Brett Payne said, "Not quite sure I understand your question. We were interested in anyone who would have been involved in this. The DNA from the knife sheath was obviously the one thing we had that we thought was a very strong piece of evidence in this case. So it was that particular piece that we pursued as a potential avenue of identifying a suspect. And Anne Taylor said, "Is it your understanding that the FBI's work said that it was Brian Coberger's DNA on the sheath?" And Brett Payne said, "That is not my understanding." She asked, "What is your understanding?" and he stated, "My understanding is that the FBI concluded that Brian Cobberger was a possible source of DNA that we should look into. They did not, to my knowledge, at any point say Brian Cobberger's DNA is on the knife sheath.

[00:42:18]That was never conveyed to me." So Brett Payne is clearly stating here that the FBI never said that they identified Brian Coberger on that knife sheath, but we know it wasn't Aram that identified Brian Cobberger. It was the FBI because the police pretty much fired Aram. They couldn't go no further after the four brothers. So the FBI swooped in and they took all of Aram's unfinished work and they finished it and they identified Brian Coberger. But nonetheless, the story has always been that Brian Cobberger's DNA was identified by the IGG, byram Labs, who takes credit for that, or by the FBI if you go by the documents. But nonetheless, that is the still repeated belief that the DNA on the sheath was identified as Brian Cobberger's. But no, according to Brett Payne, that is not what the FBI said. The FBI did not say they identified Brian Cobber's DNA on the sheath. So, as Chris Wickholm states here on page 363, it seems plausible that the defense believed four months prior to the Frank's hearing that Bill Thompson's office had deliberately misled the public about the KBAR DNA.

[00:43:41]That also seems highly plausible to me.

[00:43:43]Most important, Taylor appears to believe that evidence Bill Thompson touted as the foundation of his case may have been misrepresented, mishandled, and hidden from scrutiny by the court's own rulings. That's not even speculation. That is a fact. We know for an absolute fact based on what we just read that it was misrepresented. We know that it was mishandled because of the chain of custody issues and because of the resubmitted swab. And we know it was hidden from scrutiny by the court's own rulings because they wouldn't even give it to Ann Taylor. They wouldn't even give it to the defense. Throughout the rest of this chapter, he's talking a lot about DNA, about DNA methods, DNA limitations, and he talks a little bit about Riley Nolan on the stand, the states DNA expert. It's an interesting chapter and one that if you own the book, you should definitely make sure to read, but there's not really anything in the rest of this chapter that I feel I need to specifically pluck out to discuss. But I do like what he said here that the implication at this point is clear. According to Detective Payne's testimony, police had identified Brian Kberger as a suspect from an FBI cast member. They had used that information to narrow their search of white sedans from a Nissan Sentra to a 2011 to 2013 Hyundai Elantre, then to his 2015 model.

[00:44:56]According to Payne, Coberger must have been under investigation by December 19th because Cast was tracking his phone. It seems impossible that the detective in charge did not know Coberger's name until then. Something's not adding up. And actually, that is something I didn't know until this book.

[00:45:11]I did not know that they were already tracking his phone by December 19th.

[00:45:16]Yeah, that does indicate that Brett Payne had to have known Brian Coberger's name before December 19th, which means that Brett Payne lied under oath. Isn't that like perjury or something? Isn't perjury a major crime? Guess not if you're the police. Okay, we really don't have time, but I really want to talk about this part. So, we're going to go ahead and start chapter 14, which is titled dark SUV loud exhaust 12 NG/ML.

[00:45:47]I'm not sure how that's supposed to be said. I know what it means, but not how it's supposed to be said. And there's just a particular part of this chapter I really want to talk about, and then we'll probably pick up the rest of the chapter in the next video, but let's talk about the dark SUV. In this chapter, Chris Wickholm states, "Based on widely available door camera video, we all know about the white four-door sedan police have identified as an Elantra and tied to Brian Cobberger. We know from the same video that Door Dash driver Molly Mcichael was there as well.

[00:46:15]She can be seen walking up and down Queen Road with a flashlight just minutes before the crimes. And based on police reports, we know she claims a light colored sedan drove next to her while she was walking. and he talks a little bit about that other vehicle that Molly claims to have seen. He points out that Molly Mcichael drives a gray Subaru Forester. And he notes that on the document of Molly's interview, it stated that subsequent investigation of video footage and cellular data showed that the quote tan sedan Mcichel saw was likely a light colored SUV which left the area. But Wickcom notes that those who view the 1112 video for themselves will see that an unidentified SUV did arrive at 34607.

[00:46:57]But that is almost certainly Mcichael arriving in her gray Forester. She can be seen walking with a flashlight at 351. We can see from the video that no other vehicle drives down King Road until 3:53 when a light colored sedan leaves. And at 356, a white sedan enters the neighborhood and passes king to queen out of sight only to return at 358. Mcichel Subaru was seen leaving the area at 40038, making it impossible that she saw an SUV. And this is correct. As far as I can tell, you do see Molly pull in at about 3:46. We do see Molly walking with the flashlight at 3:51. And I do believe it is her vehicle that leaves right at 4:00. But now to the important part.

[00:47:38]What no one has yet publicly discovered, however, is that there is another vehicle that presents compelling questions about who might have gone in and out of that house Sunday morning.

[00:47:47]Oddly enough, this mystery starts with Dylan Mortonson. Seems a lot of mysteries start with Dylan Mortonson.

[00:47:53]She told police she saw a dark truck passing the house just after the crimes.

[00:47:57]And we do know that in the state's timeline, it stated that at 4:28, Dylan sees a dark-colored truck drive by when she gets down to Bethy's room. Wickcom appears to have a theory that he has created that he goes into detail here about this black truck or really a black SUV. He wrote, "As luck would have it, one can actually document her statement via the 1112 door cam recording. At 42349, a dark full-sized SUV passes in front of 1122 King Road with a distinctive audio signature caused by what appears to be a very loud exhaust.

[00:48:32]Unlike the white sedan, this dark SUV turns right on Taylor instead of left on Wenta. We know this because of the dumpster video, which clearly shows it passing eastbound on Taylor at 42517.

[00:48:42]So, I took it upon myself to revisit the 1112 footage and try to track down exactly what he's talking about here.

[00:48:51]So, I'm about to add in all the little clips of these times as we go along to try to illustrate Wickcom's theory here.

[00:48:58]He states, "At 4:23, a dark full-sized SUV passes by." Here's the clip of that.

[00:49:29]Here's where things start to get interesting because the dark SUV returns to King Road at 428 as documented by the 1112 camera and review of the dumpster video verifies it returning by Taylor Road coming back the same way that it left which means that it left the neighborhood just 5 minutes after the white Elantra then returned about 4 minutes later. So, here's the clips of this 428 time, which according to the state's timeline is the vehicle that Dylan said she saw.

[00:50:54]Now, in that clip, you really can hear this loud exhaust. It is very noticeable. And the first time I ever listened to this all this Ring Cam footage, I actually wrote in my notes that there was a certain vehicle that seemed louder than all the others, and that was this vehicle. It really does have a distinctive exhaust. But then Wickcom states that what really stands out is a third set of images captured on the Linda Lane video. Careful review of the footage shows the boxy SUV parked nose in facing the camera. At 4:23, an unidentified subject carrying a backpack can be seen walking from the direction of 1122 King Road across the parking lot towards the truck. They appear to open the tailgate of the SUV, which triggers the interior dome light, then climb in through the driver's door. And we can see all that on the Lindelane camera.

[00:51:44]Here's the clip.

[00:53:33]after this. Chris Wickholm states the SUV leaves its parking spot near Linda Lane, passes down Queen, turns right on Taylor, and returns by the same route approximately four minutes later. So, he states that 4 minutes later, the vehicle comes back and it stops in front of 11:22 King Road. We know this because the Lindelane video shows that it did not return and the distinctive sound of its exhaust is recorded by the door cam at 11:12. Based on the recording and the SUV's distinctive exhaust, it seems clear that the vehicle stops in front of 11:22, idles there for about 30 seconds, and then shuts down its engine. You can hear a door close. And I'm about to play this clip. Pay special attention to it.

[00:54:14]Put your listening ears on real good.

[00:54:58]Wow.

[00:55:00]Wow.

[00:55:04]Heat.

[00:55:28]Heat.

[00:55:30]Heat. Heat.

[00:56:21]It does sound like it stops at 11:22.

[00:56:24]You can hear it idling and then you can hear a door shut.

[00:56:29]What is that about? The book goes on to state that although the 1112 camera did not provide visual evidence, a witness did. According to police, a neighbor contacted them on November 18th to report hearing the loud engine Sunday morning around 4:30. This is an ISP document number 196. And it's noted that this neighbor lived at 11:06 King Road.

[00:56:51]And his report says that after going to bed, he'd been asleep for approximately an hour when he was awoken by a vehicle with a loud exhaust speeding away down the street past his house. And then the book says that though this guy did not actually see the vehicle, a different neighbor did. This guy said that he saw a vehicle drive by his house at approximately 4:25 to 4:30 on the morning of November 13th and that he was out in front of his house at the time placing items into his recycling and trash bins. That guy noted that this vehicle had unusually loud exhaust. That does indeed sound like the same vehicle.

[00:57:23]And I believe there was also another neighbor who mentioned seeing a dark SUV. And I'm going to try to dig up those documents as well. Then Chris Wickholm notes that at 6:23 a.m. the mysterious SUV returned to its original parking spot to the east of 11:22 King Road near Linda Lane. It appears that the same person who entered the vehicle at 423 exits the driver's side door with a backpack and walks west back towards 1122 King Road. He says that for the record, this is the dark SUV with the same distinctive exhaust that is documented leaving and returning approximately four minutes after the crime by three witnesses and three separate cameras. This is the vehicle that left Linda Lane only to park for 2 hours in front of the crime scene and returned to its original parking spot 2 hours later. The camera at 11:12 provides no indication that the vehicle started or moved during that time. So, the timing is a little off on this because I went back through and I watched all the footage trying to track these clips down. At 6:23, nobody pulls in. That that time's wrong. However, at 6:25 a.m., you can hear it. And like I said, that is a very distinctive exhaust. You can definitely hear that same vehicle, but even then, it doesn't pull in.

[00:58:37]I did not see an SUV come back until 6:35. Over 10 minutes past 6:23 and 10 minutes past when we can actually hear it. I'm going to play y'all the clip from 623 till after we can hear it at 6:25 and then I'll clip in the part where it actually comes back at 6:35.

[01:04:08]So, as we just saw, a vehicle does come back and it does seem to park close to the same spot. A person does get out and walk that way towards the sidewalk, past the Brown's apartments, towards the King Road house.

[01:04:21]Then Wickcom notes that to this day, no one has identified the distinctive looking vehicle with the easily identifiable exhaust. Why did someone walk out to it at 4:30 in the morning, put something in the back, drive away, only return 4 minutes later, and park in front of the house only to repark in its original spot? A very good question, except that I don't think this is necessarily correct. So, when I went and tried to review this, I was trying to trace his theory here. That first SUV he describes at 4:23, the one he said leaves and then comes back 4 minutes later. I do not believe that is the same SUV. That SUV is not as loud as the other one. It doesn't have the exhaust. I'm going to clip it in again and just listen.

[01:05:15]Hey, See, that is not very loud. That sounds like a regular car to me. And also, this could not be the same car because we see that vehicle drive past the King Road camera at 423. So, if that was the same vehicle, how could we see a person be getting into the vehicle at Linda Lane at 423? I highly doubt those two things happened within the same minute. Y'all see what I'm saying here? However, the SUV that does come in at 428 does have that loud exhaust. No question about it.

[01:06:12]I'll clip it again.

[01:06:52]After it pulls in is when we can hear it idling and the door close. I absolutely believe that that vehicle stopped in front of 1122. There's nowhere else for it to stop in order for us to hear it that clearly. We wouldn't be able to hear the door slam if they would have pulled into the parking lot, you know, up above the King Road house or the Linda Lane one, even though I don't think you can get to the Linda Lane parking lot from Queen Road. Like, I'm not sure you can drive past the King Roadhouse to get to that parking lot.

[01:07:23]Maybe you can. I'll have to reook at it on the map, but I'm pretty sure you'd have to go around. Which brings me to his 623 time. Not sure where he got the 623 because no SUV returns to the parking spot then, but we do hear that vehicle on the Linda Lane camera at 6:25. So, I wanted to go back to the King Road camera to see if we see the SUV leave at 6:25 or around 6:25. And unfortunately, we do not. But we can hear it. And we can hear it very clearly.

[01:08:07]Heat.

[01:08:20]Heat.

[01:08:42]Heat.

[01:08:58]Hey, heat. Hey, heat.

[01:09:11]So, I believe that what we can hear at 6:25 on the Linda Lane camera is that truck starting up at the King Roadhouse at 625. However, unless they can get to the other Lindel Lane parking lot through Queen Road instead of going around from Taylor, I don't know how that SUV could have gone anywhere because we never see it leave. It does not leave after 625. It does not pass the King Road camera again. I watched that freaking King Road footage again from that point all the way till when the cops showed up. I spent all night the other night watching that footage for that SUV just so I would not miss it no matter what.

[01:09:53]I didn't never see it. Could I have missed it? Maybe. I mean, it was like 3:00 in the morning by the time I was done. But I tried and I never saw it again. I I never saw the SUV leave. And I have to also say I'm not convinced the vehicle we see pulled back in to the Linda Lane camera in park at 635 is the same SUV. The exhaust isn't there. It doesn't make the same sounds. And we know from the King Road footage, we can hear it idling. Like, it's loud even when it's idling. The car that pulls in on Linda Lane doesn't make a sound. It's very quiet. I'm not even convinced that the person that gets out and walks towards the King Road house is the same person because the person that gets out at 6:35 kind of looks like a girl to me. But I'm going to clip that in again right here just so y'all can listen for that exhaust.

[01:12:25]I really don't think that's the same SUV, guys. It doesn't seem loud enough to me. Which leaves me with a question because I think that Wickcom here is on to something, but I don't think he's quite right on it. I don't think the first SUV was the same SUV, but the one that pulls in at 428 is definitely one with a loud exhaust. It does sound like it stops. It does sound like the vehicle shuts off and there is a door that closes. That by itself is concerning.

[01:12:55]And it does appear that that vehicle stayed put until 6:25 in the morning at the very least because we can hear it start up again. But besides hearing it start up, I don't really see any evidence that it left because I'm really under the impression that there's only one way in and out from the King Road house and that's to pass the King Road camera.

[01:13:19]Like there's no through way to get out the other way. And I would think that if somebody could drive through past the King Roadhouse to park at that Linda Lane parking lot, that would be a throughway. You see what I'm saying? Because they'd be able to pull through there and get out of the parking lot to Taylor. And I'm pretty sure that's like a dead end. You can't go anywhere if you pull into Queen Road, King, you know, to the King Road house.

[01:13:46]There's only two places you could go to.

[01:13:48]11:22 or you could turn up the hill to that parking lot for the Brown Apartments. I'm pretty sure that's true.

[01:13:56]I could be wrong. I'm doubting it now, but I'm pretty sure that's correct.

[01:14:01]I'm going to look at it on a map and I'll put the picture here because I'm pretty sure I'm right on that. But if that's a dead end and they can't get through, that means there's only one way out. Pass the camera. That means the SUV never left. The SUV with a loud exhaust could not have left. Which means that at 6:25 when it turns on, it could have only done one of two things. It could have turned on and moved parking spots at the King Road house or it could have exited the King Road house and gone up to the parking lot. I don't necessarily think it went up to the parking lot because it doesn't sound loud enough to have done that. It kind of sounds like it doesn't leave the King Road parking area. And if it doesn't leave, then that means that dark SUV had to have still been there when the police arrived. And as we all know, there was a black SUV there when police arrived. The Chapen Ford Explorer parked behind Ethan's red Jeep.

[01:15:01]So my question is, did the Chapens Ford Explorer have a distinctive loud exhaust? Because if it did, that is a very large problem for me. And I don't know how that would be possible since according to the state's timeline, they got a hold of the Ford Explorer logs that would show somebody driving it around at 4:30 in the morning, which if the Explorer logs showed that he didn't add it into this book, but I mean there's quite a bit he didn't added to this book. But that SUV has raised all my hair up. Regardless of if his theory about all those vehicles being the same vehicle is correct, which I'm not sure that it is, he made an excellent observation by noting that that SUV with a really loud exhaust does seem like it stops at 11:22. And if the surviving roommate stories are correct, even if that SUV left, nobody else was supposed to show up, they were locked in Bethy's room, scared to death, but also thinking nothing was wrong. So, I think it is a very important question about who rolled up to the King Roadhouse shortly after suspect vehicle one left at a high rate of speed. who pulled up to the King Roadhouse, got out, went inside until at least 6:30 in the morning. At least. And I think we should also, in light of all the clips, ask ourselves if it's possible the SUV did not leave and what that could mean.

[01:16:44]what that could mean about who may have actually been driving the Chapen's Ford Explorer and why if they showed up at 4:30 in the morning definitely after a quadruple homicide had occurred that yet another person went into that house and didn't seem to notice that everyone was dead except the two people supposedly locked in the first floor bedroom. This is quite a fishy new development and like I said, something we are definitely going to revisit because this made all my hair stand up and I'm still pretty worked up about it because I'm telling y'all that SUV stopped there. There's no other explanation in my mind for it. That's exactly what that sounds like even if we can't see it. But guys, I've really got to wrap this up for today. So, this is this is where we're going to stop. In the next video, we're going to finish the rest of this chapter. It's the first time I've stopped in the middle of a chapter, but that's okay. And we're going to finish up the rest of this book. We will be finished with the book review in the next video, which I'm actually kind of glad about because I feel like I've been on this for a really long time. I'm ready to get back to my normal Idaho 4 series. But if you enjoyed this video, please hit like and subscribe. Let me know what you think about that dark SUV in the comments because that has bothered me since I read it.

[01:18:09]It's really bothered me since I sat down and watched all the footage again looking for the SUV. So, let me know what y'all think about that.