Col Douglas Macgregor: The Israel First White House

Added: 2026-06-04

[00:00:00]Hi everybody. Welcome to Deep Dive.

[00:00:02]Danny's on the road once again, but he promises to be sending in some reports from the road. But we're not going to wait for those reports. We thought we keep it going right here with our one of our best friends, Colonel Douglas McGregor, defense and foreign policy analyst, former adviser to the Secretary of Defense. Doug, glad you are here.

[00:00:20]>> Yeah, me too.

[00:00:22]>> Secret Secretary of State Marco Rubio was on the hill again today and he's there now. He's testifying I think today. All day today. all day tomorrow.

[00:00:30]But he's already said some some things I need I need your take on, Doug, because I've I've never seen so much BS put into one sound bite. And let me play it for you here. This is how we started off the hearing this morning. I just want to remind everybody, you know, our our foreign policy is one uh that's solely focused on the national interest of the United States of America, on the defense of our country, both its military defense and our security, but also our economic security and the vibrancy of our economy, our sovereignty, and our future. Uh we believe that America should lead the world, and I believe that we are, and it will have a very good story to tell about that. American leadership, however, should always be on behalf of the American interests. I say this because I think over a period of time in our foreign policy, we lost focus on that. Uh the reality of it is that our foreign policy first and foremost must always be what is in the national interest of the United States of America. And determining the national interest of oftentimes requires us to make pragmatic decisions. Sometimes in foreign policy, the choices are not between a good choice and a bad choice.

[00:01:33]It's between two less than ideal choices. and you're trying to figure out which one of these two choices is the one that is best for the United States and least harmful to our interests. And that plays out every single day.

[00:01:44]>> Doug, I wonder who he thinks his audience is, who is buying what he's putting down.

[00:01:49]>> Uh, you know, it's interesting whenever somebody starts out by saying things that are fundamentally untrue, you know that he's responding to discontent in the audience. I mean, he's got a lot of problems here in the United States. I think the latest poll that I saw was 64 65% of Americans pled were opposed to this war with Iran.

[00:02:11]And I I don't know what other kind of polling data is out there. I you know, we know who the people are that poll. We may not get an accurate uh sort of outcome in terms of understanding what people really think. But I I think we can take the risk of saying that if we were truly interested in the United States, we would not have attacked Iran.

[00:02:31]it it just was not in our interest to do so. Anyone who even made a cursory glance in the direction of all the potential outcomes would have concluded that attacking Iran was a bad idea.

[00:02:43]Secondly, uh people are now reaching the conclusion that we are not in charge of our own foreign policy. That in fact all the really critical shots are being called uh in Israel by Mr. Netanyahu and Congress for all its supposed opposition to President Trump. certainly seems to be extraordinarily pacific when it comes to Israel. They are no less supportive of or quiet about what they're doing for Israel. So, this is the Israel first administration. And because it is the Israel first administration, he's trying to tell everybody it's not the Israel first administration. Right.

[00:03:21]>> Again, I don't know who believes this, Doug. And you do you think he believes it, Doug?

[00:03:26]I think he'll believe whatever he has to as long as he gets to pursue what he thinks is his agenda with Cuba and Latin America. That's my perception of him.

[00:03:35]>> This is the man who is supposed to be simultaneously both national security adviser and secretary of state.

[00:03:42]>> And one asks, well, those are two very different jobs and very powerful jobs.

[00:03:48]The the reason Kissinger was able to do both was that he had gained the trust and confidence of President Nixon. And it was a rather unique set of circumstances. I think in retrospect it was a bad idea. Nixon shouldn't have done it. But that's here neither here nor there right now. We we need two separate people, two different people.

[00:04:07]If for no other reason, it would benefit the president to hear more than one perspective. Of course, that presupposes that President Trump is listening to anything anybody says. Anyway, I'm not sure I see much evidence for that at this stage. So, it may not make any difference in that sense. But there is one good thing that we need to say about uh Secretary Rubio. Of all of the people that work currently for President Trump, he is arguably the most articulate and the most convincing.

[00:04:36]>> Yeah.

[00:04:37]>> Doesn't mean I believe it. And I'm not saying this man is, you know, Shakespearean quality performer.

[00:04:42]>> No.

[00:04:43]>> Simply saying given what's out there, he's a hell of a lot more articulate than most. So that's the only good news.

[00:04:48]Otherwise, I think from the international community, it's a big hoham. I I don't know, but I don't think a lot of people are paying attention.

[00:04:56]>> You know, Doug, he he talks about and you hear this pretty often about leading the world that the US America should be leading the world. And you wonder how with with guns with what? What are they leading the world with? They can't talk to people. They call the people that they're talking with crazy. How how does he interpret that?

[00:05:17]Well, let's be frank. A lot of these are empty phrases. These are things that have left over from the last 40, 50 years. You know, the president of the United States is the leader of the free world. Okay. What's free world mean right now? Uh it's hard to tell. I don't sign on for the notion that people that live in Russia or China are necessarily enslaved.

[00:05:40]Uh I think they're free. Their notions of freedom obviously are different from ours. So, that's another empty phrase. I think the business of we're leading the world is the kind of thing that the average American likes to hear without necessarily understanding whether or not it's meaningful. Uh, you know, they like to hear, "We won the Second World War."

[00:06:02]Well, we were on the winning side. We did not win it alone. But we say these things because they resonate with a certain number of people. Although right now, Gary, I think they're underestimating the intelligence and common sense of the American citizenry.

[00:06:19]I don't think the American people are interested in hearing that nonsense.

[00:06:22]>> No, >> they're interested in, well, wait a minute. You know, inflation is rising.

[00:06:27]It's up to almost 4% and it's continuing to rise with each passing week. We expect it'll be up to five or 6% by the summer or the fall. Well, I thought the Fed was in control.

[00:06:39]The Fed is not in control. interest rates rise because the market drives them up. So, people are saying, "What are you doing about that?" Well, there's only so much that can be done because we're dealing with decades of mismanagement, poor leadership, uh, no sensitivity to the needs of the American people. So, what did we do? We printed money.

[00:07:00]>> It's reached the point where, you know, you keep this up, we're we are going to go under. Oh, no. We can print for another decade. Good luck with that idea because that's Mr. Bessant. That's his view. Uh, we can't print for another decade. That's not going to work. There are a whole range of things like this.

[00:07:17]And I think Americans are tired of the BS. They want to know why is everything costing more? What are you going to do to suppress this? And you know, these people in Washington are not interested in fundamental changes of direction.

[00:07:31]They just want band-aids.

[00:07:33]Oh, what can we do to bring down the price of oil? Well, let's drain the strategic petroleum reserve. Mhm.

[00:07:39]>> Remember when we saw that during COVID with Biden and everybody screamed bloody murder? Well, what do you think is happening now? It's >> the same thing. So, no, I I think Rubio is giving the boilerplate speech. He just gives it better than everybody else.

[00:07:56]>> Yeah. A little bit more slick. Only a little though. So, he he goes on, Doug, and he crystallizes what this whole problem is with Iran. It's a little bit long here because the situation is that convoluted. So, let's just watch it in its entirety and we can just pick it apart afterwards.

[00:08:14]>> If Iran wants to be able to move its oil again through the straight, they will have to reopen the straits. If they refuse to do so, then we have other options available to us, but we would prefer to negotiate the opening of this.

[00:08:24]>> What do you need from them in order to get the straight reopened? We need the straight reopened tomorrow.

[00:08:28]>> Well, what needs to happen is very simple. We're not charging a toll. We will help remove the mines that they put in there and they will not fire on ships.

[00:08:35]>> But the president says they also need to make commitments on their nuclear program. That's what I'm asking.

[00:08:39]>> That's the predicate that opens the door to phase two. Phase two is they have to commit to very specific negotiations on disposition of the highlyenriched uranium that still is buried deep in a mountain somewhere. They have to agree on negotiating severe and long-term limitations and or cancellation of enrichment activity in their >> in the second phase of negotiations.

[00:09:00]>> Obviously, these are highly technical matters. So, I don't think you could work those out in 5 days. You that would require a team of experts to meet over a 30 60 90day period and work out the details. But they have to commit to their willingness to do that. For example, they have to commit to say we will dispose of the enriched uranium.

[00:09:16]And the question now is what are the mechanisms by which we do so >> in order to get to that second phase.

[00:09:21]Are you willing to release sanctions or release frozen money that the United States is withholding from Iran?

[00:09:27]>> Right now everything that's been discussed with them is that any sanctions relief now remember sanctions come there's international sanctions there's congressional sanctions there's executive sanctions. So some we can release and some we cannot. But any sanctions relief is conditionbased which means it has to be in return for the reason why those sanctions were put in place in the first place which is their nuclear program. So yeah look Iran is being sanctioned because they enrich uranium. Iran is being sanctioned because they've highlyenriched uranium.

[00:09:52]Iran is being sanctioned because of their nuclear activities. If they agree to give up those things, there will be sanctions relief associated with their commitment and compliance with those agreements relief just in exchange for reopening the strait.

[00:10:05]>> No, that that's not been discussed.

[00:10:07]That's not been offered.

[00:10:09]>> Doug, haven't we been here already? How many times can Iran say, "No, we're not going to do that. No, we're not going to do that." And yet they keep circling back like this and he he just capturized everything that we're looking at the impossible.

[00:10:24]Well, he's done an excellent job of once again restating Mr. Netanyahu's policy positions because that's essentially what we've adopted and that's what we're saying. Uh, none of this is original and there is no negotiation.

[00:10:39]All we've ever done is restate over and over and over again what Mr. Netanyahu says he must have. And whenever there's a a possibility that there could be some modification that would lead to any kind of breakthrough, Mr. Netanyahu gets on the phone and makes it clear to Donald Trump that that's unacceptable. And Donald Trump says, "Yes, sir. Roger. Got it." And goes back to work again to realize Israel's goals. Now, let's let's be frank about a few things here.

[00:11:10]Everyone acts as though everything that's happening is is the fault of Iran. Well, Iran did not begin this war.

[00:11:17]And you'll get a response, oh, but they started this war 47 years ago. Well, that's not really true. Uh, we decided that whatever they proposed, whatever they stood for, whatever they wanted was somehow another bad. And so, we bankrolled Mr. Saddam Hussein, president of Iraq at hu with huge amounts of money. We bankrolled him to go to war with Iran in the hopes that Iran was prostrate. It was weak. most of its senior military leadership was gone, its equipment was old, and that the Iraqis, with our brilliant advice, remember, keep that in mind, our brilliant military advice, once again, would enable the Iraqis to rapidly overrun Iran's oil fields. And the big bonus at that point was that the people living in Iran in those areas were mostly Arabs.

[00:12:07]And so we said Arab nationalism will triumph and Arab nationalism will bring down Iran. Does that that sound familiar?

[00:12:15]>> Ultimately it didn't work. In fact the Arabs in Kustan who mostly are are Shiites, not all but mostly all decided that their citizenship and their presence inside Iran was much more important to them than signing away their lives to Saddam Hussein. The whole thing failed. We think somewhere's between 500 and 8 thou 800,000 casualties on the Iranian side.

[00:12:40]>> How many died? Certainly somewhere between three and 500,000 Iranians died.

[00:12:47]They fought tenaciously and ultimately the war ended with Iran in control of its own oil resources, which was what was most important. And they hurled rockets and missiles at each other. No, none of us really paid a great deal of attention to it. We only looked at what Saddam did. But again, the the Iranians learned a lot from that. So here we sit right now. We keep arguing that somehow or another Iran makes makes us uncomfortable, presents this tremendous threat, and that if we don't destroy Iran and bring it under control that millions of terrorists will overrun the world and so forth. It's all nonsense.

[00:13:23]Who who wants this? This is an Israeli proposition. This is an Israeli agenda.

[00:13:28]And the Israeli agenda is underwritten by billionaires in the United States who bought President Trump the White House.

[00:13:35]Least they can do after they bought Congress for their own purposes. Might as well buy the White House as well.

[00:13:40]They own everything. So they own everything right now. And what do you get? You give Marco Rubio. Uh you get Pete Hegsth. You get Donald Trump and JD Vance and everybody else that is loyal to the bitter end to the Israeli agenda.

[00:13:54]Anybody thinks otherwise is wrong. If you were not an Israel first person, you weren't going to get a job in the administration.

[00:14:01]>> Yeah.

[00:14:01]>> It's unapologetic. So, we're we're stuck because we took on a war without really understanding what we were doing. You know, one of the first things you need to do is say, "Well, wait a minute.

[00:14:13]We're going to go into Iran, right?" And somebody says, "Well, we want to bomb it." Okay. Uh, what do you want to bomb?

[00:14:21]Well, we're going to bomb their nuclear facilities. We're going to bomb this.

[00:14:24]And then pretty soon the the target list goes from 10 critical things out to a thousand.

[00:14:30]>> And you know, oh well those targets are destroyed. What do we do now? Well, we'll find more targets. That that's kind of where we are. And then somebody brings up, well, what about ground forces? Oo, ground forces. That could mean a lot of casualties and Americans don't like that. And oh, by the way, we don't have enough of an army to do anything. And this thing sort of, you know, snowballs and continues. Now, we found it impossible to break through the straight. We find it impossible to seize control of the straight. We're afraid that if we do, we'll lose ships. So, now we have a quote unquote blockade.

[00:15:02]Well, here's a flash of the obvious that maybe everybody needs to understand, including Mr. Rubio.

[00:15:09]Tankers carrying oil to China, India, Japan. Uh they are passing through the straight. Oil is reaching those countries. Iran is exporting oil not just through the straight but also overland. So the notion that somehow or another Iran is being reduced to a state of total poverty, panic and anarchy is wrong. It's not true. So what good is the blockade? What is it doing? Is it is it making any difference? Well, what it means is that as long as we're playing this particular game game, no no no ship that is destined for the United States or Israel or has an Israeli or American flag on it is going to get through the straight. That's clear. But everybody else, and by the way, when I mentioned China, Russia, India, for instance, and Japan, the Japanese certainly on the first three tankers that went through, they paid no tolls. China, Russia, and Japan are paying no tolls. The only people that are being expected to pay tolls are are nations that have aligned themselves in one way or another with us or with Iran's enemies. They're paying tolls, but even they are moving fuel, oil, various other substances through the the Gulf uh to their destinations.

[00:16:30]So, this I don't know what the hell this blockade is really doing. I haven't figured it out.

[00:16:36]>> They keep saying that it's crippling them economically. You hear that regularly. They're convinced of it.

[00:16:42]>> I don't see any I don't see any evidence for it. You know, everybody seems to forget you you have this giant land border. You also have the Caspian Sea.

[00:16:50]Uh all this stuff can move in and out of the country without any interference from us. I The bottom line is that we are delusional. We're living in a bubble and the bubble says we are winning. But you leave the bubble and everybody else knows no, you're not. You know what's so troubling, Doug, is that you know that he he Trump is is surrounded by enough people, a chosen few that are willing to keep making the argument. So even when we just heard the state of affairs with what's going on diplomatically or if if they're talking at all, but we just heard Rubio explain what's there what's going on there, then we've got people on the other side that's saying, "Listen, those talks aren't going to work anyway, so let's resort to the military action."

[00:17:34]Here's former CIA Dan Hoffman. It's very difficult for us to carry on negotiations when we don't have that.

[00:17:39]When Iran is in control of the street of Hormuz, they have a lot of leverage. The regime right now is in the hands of General Vahiti and the IRGC hardliners and they are pressing ahead with their strategic goals. Let's remember that Iran is kind of a junior partner. But part of the axis of dictatorships aligned closely with Russia and China and North Korea. Certainly for Russia and for China, Iran wants to reduce or eliminate altogether US influence in the Middle East. That's part of what's behind this. I don't see a way of climbing down through negotiation absent additional military strikes. I'm sorry to say that I think we're going to have to resume military strikes if we want to get to a point where we have the leverage to get the deal that we want, the deal that's better than JCPOA on which the president will be judged and arguably his foreign policy legacy. I think that may be in the offing. So Doug, the argument that more strikes is what will give us the leverage that we finally need, that's the mentality.

[00:18:37]>> Well, let's sort of examine this Zionist Jewish narrative which he's just presented, which is a narrative that you hear across all the mainstream media in the United States and much of Western Europe. Uh that's for obvious reasons.

[00:18:51]The people in control fall into that particular category. Uh it's it's not accurate. It's misleading. But he's pointing out something that is painfully obvious, and that is we can't win a military victory over Iran right now.

[00:19:09]That's an impossibility.

[00:19:12]So what do you do if you can't win the military victory? Well, normally you negotiate and get the best deal that you can. Uh you you can't do that. That's outrageous. Your whole life, Mr. President, your whole world will be judged on the basis of what you do in the Persian Gulf. Well, I freely admit that what we do in the Persian Gulf has already had an impact. It's revealed that we are not invincible. It's demonstrated that our forces, which are very good and can do many things, are not designed to do what we've asked them to do. That's true. It also ignores the enormous impact that this is having on the world as well as us and how negative that is and can only get worse unless we change the current conditions.

[00:19:57]Can't change those militarily. So what do you do? Well, you ratchet up the attack. You have to attack more targets.

[00:20:05]You have to kill more people. And eventually you discover there's only one way forward and that's a nuclear weapon.

[00:20:12]And people will say, "Well, you Mr. president darn not a man of your word.

[00:20:16]You have no guts unless you use a nuclear weapon against these evil people. Of course, you know, this business of who's evil and who isn't is very much open to debate right now.

[00:20:25]>> Uh but I think that's the next step and I think it's important for us to keep in mind that that's coming and what we need to understand is that if that is even approached seriously in any way, shape or form, the consequences around the world will be extremely profound. We already know that Pakistan possesses a nuclear weapon. Of course they do.

[00:20:47]They've had that for many, many years.

[00:20:49]And contrary to the expectations of many people, the very radicalized Islamist Pakistanis have never used it against anybody. They saw it as a necessary deterrent to prevent a war of extermination waged against them by India. Well, it's worked out so that India also has a deterrence and that has helped frankly to keep the peace on the uh Indian subcontinent. Neither side has been willing to do that. But now we have a a different uh set of circumstances.

[00:21:19]Israel, not us, but Israel is embarked on a war of conquest in the Middle East.

[00:21:27]Its army is falling apart. It's got serious morale problems. They've lost a lot of people. the population doesn't want to fight, but that doesn't matter because they still have the air force and most of the people that they're attacking have no air defenses and as long as the people they're attacking have no air defenses to speak of, they can pretty much bomb at will wherever they like against anybody they don't like.

[00:21:50]>> Secondly, this war of conquest is very serious. All you have to do is look on the uniforms of the Israeli soldiers and it shows Sinai under Israeli control, Jordan, parts of northern Saudi Arabia, half or more of Syria, part of northern Iraq and most of Lebanon. So that's the goal.

[00:22:11]And right now there is a growing consensus that this must stop and that's consensus is in the Islamic world. The Arab states are too corrupt, too greedy, and too fearful, that is their elites, to do anything. So the task then falls to the non-Arab states. The non-Arab states that are very opposed to this are Turkey, Istanbul, or excuse me, Ankura, Pakistan, and obviously Iran and Thran, Islamabad.

[00:22:44]These are the capitals. These are the states that are opposed. And there are discussions. People are saying it's time to turn over nuclear weapons one way or the other in some form even if it's temporary to Iran and Turkey in particular. Uh give them this as the deterrent they need to bring this war to a halt. Now this is very dangerous as we all know because Mr. Netanyahu has nuclear weapons. Everybody's aware of that at least somewhere in the neighborhood of 300. M >> if he thinks that this could happen, what is to stop him from launching a nuclear weapon?

[00:23:23]>> Quick answer, nothing.

[00:23:25]>> Nothing.

[00:23:27]>> What evidence is there that he listens to anything Washington says to him that he takes instruction from the president of the United States?

[00:23:37]>> Nothing.

[00:23:38]>> Yeah.

[00:23:39]>> Now, I don't know what's going to happen, but I think it's important that we keep these things in mind. And if we were serious about bringing this to a to an end, this terrible and pointless and stupid and self-defeating war with Iran, we would pull the plug on the Israelis right away and say, "Very well, you don't care to participate in a negotiated settlement that we are reaching with Iran, so be it. You're on your own now. We are going to come to an understanding with the Iranians." I also think the Israelis, there are still soberminded, balanced thinkers in Israel, would say, "Wait a minute. You mean the United States refuses to support our war of mass murder and expulsion in Gaza or Lebanon or anywhere else we care to wage it, >> right?

[00:24:25]>> We might want to consider stopping >> because how long can we last in this region without unconditional support from the United States?"

[00:24:35]But we are not ready to go there. But in truth, >> that's what needs to happen.

[00:24:41]>> But it's not that Doug, because the neocons still have at least one more silver bullet. And here's Hoffman explaining that silver bullet.

[00:24:49]>> There's lots of options for strikes.

[00:24:51]There are strikes against Iran's military facilities, their ballistic missile drone uh facilities, the nuclear program, but there are also decapitation strikes. And I'm quite sure that in the wide range of options that the US military is considering and and Israel as well are additional decapitation strikes. In other words, if the current Iranian leadership doesn't want to negotiate, maybe the next round will.

[00:25:16]So we can talk to the newer leadership, Doug. We've just got to get to that next level. Those are the people we're looking for. Then we can work this out.

[00:25:26]Do you believe they're hanging their hat on that? Well, we know from experience how well this works. Uh we know that if you remove one CEO in a corporation, they replace him with another. And if that CEO is unsatisfactory, it doesn't work, you replace him with a new one.

[00:25:43]What they don't understand is that it doesn't make any difference just because you kill a certain number of people that are in positions of authority that the whole world is going to fall apart.

[00:25:55]We're back to the false assumption that Iran is what I call another Sykes Pico state. The Sykes Pico states are places like Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Iraq, so forth, uh Syria, and then ultimately Israel. That if you just get the the people in charge at the top, everybody else will be scared into submission.

[00:26:17]That's not going to happen in Iran.

[00:26:18]There is no willingness to see Iran as what it is. It is a core civilizational state. It is a great nation. It has existed for over 2500 years. Some people would argue more. It has its own culture, its own history, its own way of life. It has high human capital. They have people with the brains, the ability to operate on a very high plane when it comes to rocketry, nuclear weapons, uh computers of any kind, uh cyber space, artificial intelligence, all of those things.

[00:26:52]Stop pretending that Iran is something less. It's not. It is a major power and it is coming back to life in a in ways that I don't think any of us expected uh when this war started. They are becoming an ever greater power with each passing day. They understand the leverage they have and they are not going to retire into the corner and skullk and fear. Not going to happen. We went through this with Russia. You know, Russia's weak.

[00:27:21]Russia will fall apart. Russia is corrupt. Russia's this, Russia that.

[00:27:25]Russia today is stronger than it has ever been, certainly in my lifetime in the last 30, 40 years. So, no, this is insane. It's crazy. It has no chance of success. We've been doing this decapitation thing forever.

[00:27:39]>> And Doug, you would say, I'm assuming that you'd say that Iran is in a stronger, better place than they were before this war.

[00:27:47]>> Strategically, without question. And whatever damage they've sustained, they know they can recover. And we don't seem to understand that. They will bounce back. They'll probably bounce back stronger and better than they ever have in their past. Their society is much more cohesive now. I would argue it's probably more cohesive than the Israeli society at this stage.

[00:28:08]>> Doug, you had sent me a uh analysis on gas from Paul Sanki. Let me play the clip from what he was putting out.

[00:28:14]>> US gas lead infantries, they are absolutely plummeting. And so what we've seen here is the largest 13week move in the history of the series. It is interesting to note that in the prior 13 weeks you had a record build over that period. So again we went into this with high inventories. Uh but certainly what you're seeing in US gasoline is an extremely rapid draw down and most of us are pointing towards June to July that is as June continues and we begin to hit July as getting critical for when we hit the bottom of the tanks.

[00:28:47]I think Paul Sanki is right. He's not the only man saying this, but he's a good person to listen to. He's got a lot of experience in this industry and he's simply saying where we're headed right now, we're going to hit rock bottom probably mid to late July, certainly early August, uh, at the latest. And that's because we're selling off portions of the strategic petroleum reserve. And this is designed to suppress prices particularly for gasoline, but also for jet fuel. And some of these sales are being done inside the United States for use inside the United States. And some of these uh sales are being done or being executed to help friends overseas. Remember, these are all the people like the Japanese, the Koreans, and others that were never consulted on the dumb idea of going to war with Iran.

[00:29:35]But we're going to run out of we're going to run out of any sort of flexibility and we're going to halt all export exports I suspect quite soon of uh crude oil some exceptions things like uh the shale oil that needs special refining which we cannot provide but otherwise I think you're going to see an embargo self-imposed in terms of not exporting anything else and the question is what happens to our economy you know and steel and oil have turned out to be over the last several hundred years uh the big indicators of of national strength and prosperity and power. Uh those indicators are not encouraging right now. Not by any means.

[00:30:18]>> And then we can add to that the whole situation with fertilizer.

[00:30:21]>> Oh god. You know it's so interesting.

[00:30:25]How do you get it across to people that you know fertilizer is life? This this green energy re green revolution that we went through back in the 60s 50s60s really really has changed the world.

[00:30:38]It's doubled the population of the planet. We've been able to feed people in a scale we never thought possible.

[00:30:44]>> But without the nitrogen, the phosphorus, the other ingredients, we're in a lot of trouble. And you know what you don't plant today, you don't eat in six months. And it takes time for these supply chains to to mobilize. Those supply chains are in trouble. Why? Well, trucks run on diesel. You know, what are they going to do? They've got to deliver this.

[00:31:05]It's frightening. And that's why to listen to somebody like Rubio who is pitching these sort of uh I don't know empty empty slogans and empty promises >> is so disturbing because nobody wants to frighten people. But you know, people ought to be frightened right now because what we've done by attacking Iran, we've not just hurt ourselves, we put a large portion of the world's population at very high risk, >> disrupted the whole world. We're doing fine right now as far as, you know, supplies go, but that's not going to hold.

[00:31:40]>> Well, nobody paying attention to the numbers of farmers who are declaring bankruptcy.

[00:31:44]>> Bankruptcies.

[00:31:45]>> Can't afford to buy fertilizer. The price is going through the roof. What good is fertilizer you can't afford to buy, you know, and how much can you subsidize? Now, right now in India, they're subsidizing everything in sight to try and keep the lid on. But even they are worried, the government is over the next several months. How long is can this go on before everything collapses.

[00:32:07]There are other things that you need to do. You know, we need more nuclear power. Let's be frank. That's vital and essential. Uh are there green aspects of power that you can reinvigorate? Yeah, sure there are. But you're going to need to do a lot more with coal. Remember coal? That's the evil thing that everybody wants to get rid of. It's dirty and nasty and bad.

[00:32:27]>> Well, the Indians and I think the Japanese are moving in that direction. I know they are in China. They're liquefying coal. You can do that >> and it works. We're going to have to do all of these things, but there has to be a sense of of not just urgency, but emergency in Washington. I don't see it.

[00:32:47]>> I don't see any evidence for it. not with the president or anybody else because the first thing anybody who's advised a president should do every morning is say, "Sir, end the war. Get out. Stop. We'll sort the details later.

[00:33:00]Right now, we need to get out."

[00:33:02]>> He's already kicked those people out, Doug. He's not going to get face to face with any of those people that would even hint at what you just suggested.

[00:33:10]>> Yeah, I think so. You know, uh, just yesterday, Doug, I know you released the national conversation called All for What, and you get into some great details about what needs to happen, what should be happening already, and I'd like to set it up before you get into what you were talking about in this video with with uh Megan Kelly, who was just on a podcast yesterday, and you know how close she was with the president for a year. She campaigned for him, spoke at rallies for him. I mean, she was a real, you know, MAGA loyalist. Let's see how Megan Kelly is depicting the MAGA movement at this present time.

[00:33:43]>> All along he's defined what is and is not MAGA. And he told me personally, MAGA will feel the way I want them to feel. I'll tell them how to feel about this, that, or the other thing, and they will. And he has been totally right on that. The problem for Trump now is that he has defined MAGA literally to those who agree with Mark Leavvin. If you don't agree with Mark Levvin, you're not MAGA, which means you must be a neocon whose main issue is what's in the best interest of Israel.

[00:34:16]And that defines MAGA down to nothing.

[00:34:18]It's a nub. So what's that? It's not it's not large. It's not important. It's not cool. It's not appealing to young people. It has no future. Um much like Mark Leven himself, it's old. It's angry and it's dying.

[00:34:37]So those are the people who like the diehard loyalists who will just feel the way Trump wants them to feel are the ones who are harassing you for saying what you think about Thomas Massie.

[00:34:50]They're entitled to their opinion, but they do not represent the Republican party. They don't represent the right, and they definitely don't represent the future.

[00:34:59]people are waking up and some of some of his strongest advocates, his loyalists have turned and just what you heard Megan in her own words describe and is that not similar to what you were saying and what is this for what's going on in America right now?

[00:35:14]>> I tried to answer and urged everybody to ask very simply is who is governing us?

[00:35:21]That may seem like a stupid question to some, but we need to ask that question.

[00:35:24]Who is governing us? Who is ruling this country? Who is determining the answers to the big questions? It's certainly not the American people. Nothing happening right now is something the American people would have voted for. And they're beginning to discover that it doesn't make any damn difference whom you vote for because both parties are captives of the same lobbies. Now, we talk primarily about the Israel lobby and the billionaires that support it. That's part of it, but there are other lobbies, whether they're in the agricultural sector, uh, the high-tech sector, and other things. You got lots of lobbies that are weighing in on big policy questions. The American people aren't represented. The American people need to come to the conclusion that if they're going to be represented effectively, if someone is going to stand up for them, articulate their interests, and then act accordingly, they're going to have to move in a new direction. And that's really what the national conversation wants to do. We want to build the foundation for a third party movement.

[00:36:28]We want to explore how large it can be, how many people we can bring in, and how we recruit people and make it work. This is not something that can happen quickly, but I think it's going to happen faster in the future than ever before because the pain inflicted on the American people is going to grow in the months ahead. And people in the government that wave it off and say, "Oh, no, no, it's not a problem. We can print more money. We can print for another 10 years before anything happens." Uh, well, look at the bond market in Great Britain right now. Look at what's happening in London. That government hangs by a thread. we're on the same path. These things are not controllable and the idea of simply printing more money as a way to s solve all the problems is is a dead end. So I think that's really what I tried to do in this and get people to understand that we have been essentially taken over by a minority of very wealthy people who are calling the shots. They don't care whatever about us under any circumstances.

[00:37:30]So this is this has got to stop. But the only way to stop it is not to go to Washington and ask the people that created the problem to help us. They're not going to do anything for us. It's not in their interest. You look at all the insider training. People say, "Well, you know, we got to give the Democrats a chance." They had a chance. They've had a chance many times. It hasn't improved anything. You know what is the difference between Tony Blinken and Marco Rubio? Nothing.

[00:37:57]Nothing. Wake up. These people are all bought and paid for and we're gonna have to move away from them. And that's because people say, "Can we do this?"

[00:38:08]Well, somebody said, "Doug, that's going to take a lot of money." I said, "Yes, it will. And it's going to take people with major wealth backing it, but it can be done.

[00:38:19]>> It's got to be done, right?"

[00:38:20]>> Yeah, I think so. Or we're not going to be around long. What we need to do is we need to build a new republic. The old one is on its last legs. There's nothing wrong with that. All great powers, great nations go through this. We just need to build a new republic.

[00:38:36]>> Yeah. Amen. I want to point everybody to McGregor.

[00:38:42]That's where you can get Doug's all Doug's work, all his writings. It's all laid out for you here.

[00:38:48]>> Yeah, we'll have some new things on there very shortly. And I appreciate everybody's feedback. It's been enormously helpful.

[00:38:53]>> Yeah. Nothing like getting comments, right, Doug? People are not afraid to tell you what they think, especially when you when you avail yourself to them.

[00:39:00]>> And I I read them and I am really grateful because most of them are very substantive.

[00:39:05]>> You know, the very few that are just vulgar or nasty or obscene, you just sort of let those go >> and we don't worry about too much about the death threats. Uh those things are always there. Somebody's always threatening me at some supermarket or somewhere else. And okay, fine. I'm not going to live my life and fear of that nonsense.

[00:39:23]>> Hardly. No. Listen, you know you're doing something right when the death threats start rolling in because that that means you're a threat and that's what you are, Doug.

[00:39:29]>> Okay.

[00:39:30]>> All right, Doug. Thank you so much. So grateful for your help. Always love your insight and grateful. We'll see you again next time.

[00:39:36]>> Thank you, Gary.

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