Body Language Expert: What Kouri Richins’ Facial Expressions REALLY Revealed

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[00:00:00]Did you see all the faces that Corey Richens was making in court during the victim impact statements after she was convicted by a jury of eight of killing her husband Eric Richens by poisoning him with fentanyl, leaving her three children without a father? She addressed the court. It was strange. She appeared to cry, did she? I have a very special guest to help break down all of her body language. A worldrenowned body language expert. But first, thanks for being here. I'm Matt Johnson, the host of Justice with Matt Johnson. Please hit the subscribe, hit the like, and be sure to share this episode with a friend. Now, the case of Corey Richens.

[00:00:47]Here to help break it all down, we have Susan Constantine, jury consultant, body language expert, and author of How to Spot a Liar in 7 Seconds or Less. I'm going to have all the details in my show notes. I have the book. You should pre-order it or get it now. It is a great read. Uh Susan, thanks for being here. Everyone in the chat yesterday was um writing your name and they were like, "We wish that Susan Constantine was on right now because Corey Richens was just so ridiculous in court." Um you know, your initial thoughts on the case before we start looking at at clips.

[00:01:23]>> Well, that was a performance, no doubt.

[00:01:25]Um, when you're looking at her overall demeanor, this whole that whole thing was had nothing to do with her. That everything to do with trying to stay connected to those boys. That's what she was doing. It was almost like a form of a manifesto to the boys. Like she'll probably never see them again, but these are all the life things that I want you to know. Is it almost if she was writing her will, you know? It was really kind of strange how she did that. Nothing was really about the sentencing, wanting leniency, nothing like that. I mean, it was very strange.

[00:02:00]>> It was such a strange statement. And we're going to get into it. We are going to get into her attitude and the many faces of Corey. We are going to talk about her letter to the boys. We are going to talk about her accusing the jury of getting it wrong and how she appeared during that. And then finally, the the verdict and how she behaved during that. It's it this case is just something else. This went on for about 5 hours yesterday. So, let's start with the many faces of Corey. This is during the victim impact statements and this is from her sister-in-law. And you have to watch her face in this. It was hard to choose a clip, but I want to get your take on it.

[00:02:37]>> And they have to go through life without their dad because their mother planned and carried out his murder. She could not have done anything more selfish or more cruel to those boys. Almost immediately after Eric died, she cut them off completely from our family, from Eric's family. The isolation was calculated and strategic. Corey used the boys as bargaining chips with my dad.

[00:03:03]She repeatedly threatened not to let him see his grandsons. For over a year, Corey led them to believe that I hated them, that I had that I was attempting to take Eric's money for myself and that I intended for them to be left without support, that they would be homeless and starving. The goal of her lawsuits is singular. She wants all of Eric's assets for herself. Despite her lies and fanciful public portrayal, she knows that none of Eric's assets are going to me, my dad, or my sister. He told me he would live his life through hell every single day of his life until his youngest was 18. Because he believed Corey was the most evil person he had ever met.

[00:03:53]>> This defendant can't help herself. I mean, she's keeping her mouth open, raising her eyebrows, shaking her head.

[00:04:01]Um, she said, "Wow." At one point in time, the judge is watching her. This is before he sentences her.

[00:04:07]>> This is what we call demeanor evidence.

[00:04:10]So, right, every you didn't have to say a word. All you had to do is watch her face because it was like a motion picture and action. It was like watching Amber Heard in a lot of ways because the expressions were so big and so um ex uh expressive that there was no doubt that you knew what she was actually thinking and feeling. So disbelief, scrutiny like yeah scrutiny, contempt, the mouth would smirk off. She would perform like surprise like I'm appalled. Right? So we saw that and then we saw some lip compression where she would put press her lips together kind of suppressing her emotions but then she would do a lot of what we call contempt gestures like this is ridiculous eye rolling contempt and then she would look at her attorney right so she's looking at attorney for like do you believe that and her eyes are big and wide open so these are all convincing gestures you know like it's poor performative and the reason why I I explain to your listeners why it's performative is because you have to time it to what was being said. And look at the duration of how long she keeps that emotion. It's really long. Real emotions only last the highest 3 to 5 seconds.

[00:05:30]She held them frozen because she was trying to send a message to the jury and to the judge that she was appalled that uh in just disbelief. But she was challenging also too. There was a lot of challenging expressions that were going on. Anyway, overall the performance was a this was a performance and uh and she was acting as if like it was she was appalled that it that anybody would ever think that she was totally shocked and surprised. Well, >> yeah, you know, it is a big performance with her and it always seems to be, but I was wondering there was one point during yesterday. So, now we go from all of the victim impact statements to uh the mitigation, and she actually, even though the defense didn't put on a case or call any witnesses, which is not their burden, and she didn't testify, um they did have a lot of support, including a letter that was read into the record from her aunt. And what I want you to notice is at one point in time, she tears up, and I'm wondering if it's a real tear or why. And uh I'm going to put that on the screen right now.

[00:06:38]>> You Cy and I'm very proud to be your hand. I stand before the court not to minimize the seriousness of this case but to speak about the person I've known outside of these proceedings. Eric and those boys were her life. Both Eric and Corey were very loving and attentive parents. They were solid. They loved hard and they played hard. I also watched her work tirelessly to educate herself and create stability for her family. She pushed herself because she believed in building a meaningful future. She was proud of what she accomplished, but even more proud of being a mother. This conviction does not erase the years of humanity, goodness, and compassion that existed before this moment. I know there are people who may only see the charge or the verdict, but I ask the court to remember a person is more than the worst moment of their life.

[00:07:26]>> So during that statement, I actually see a tear fall down. Is it real? And and why was she crying?

[00:07:33]>> Yeah, she was crying. Um, this was not one of those full cries, right, where we've seen her do that before. And this is self-loathing, right? She's she feels sad because this has to do with her kids, right? And and there was a lot of emotion that she was really feeling of regret, sadness. You could see that in the chin boss. when you see the chin kind of bounce up and also one of the other indicators are you'll see that the cheeks got very flat which they did do.

[00:08:03]Um her brows lowered so that's sadness.

[00:08:07]Her eyelids became droopy and you could see the slight redness in her eyes. All of that is consistent with sadness. So that was authentic. She was really feeling that. So was what was she sad about? we can only tie it to what was actually being said and then we can draw a correlation.

[00:08:28]>> Yeah, she's feeling sorry for herself, right? Probably.

[00:08:31]>> Um, >> okay. So, you know, a lot of people don't just realize that you're not only an author and you are a, you know, behavioral expert, body language expert, but you're a jury consultant and you've worked on a lot of major cases. So, I wanted to get your take on something else that everybody noticed when we were watching the sentencing yesterday. It was this. It was when her attorneys are flanked on her sides and they are, you know, helping her out. What why would they be doing that? Why would they all be up there?

[00:09:04]>> Supportive. Uh, you know, first of all, she's got like a three corner, right?

[00:09:08]She's got someone behind her and then you've got the other two beside her, the two women. And these are her advocates.

[00:09:16]That's what I see is the three together are her support system and her advocates. And as a trial consultant, this is not unusual because if somebody has created a heinous crime, even myself, if I've been secondary counsel, even as heinous as a crime might be, I'm seated right next to them or I am there with my hand on their back and creating comfort. So, she's um being comforted and she's sending that message or they are sending that message to the jury that they are supporting her. And that is important because the jury, she wants the jury to know that I have a group of people that believe me, that stand with me and stand by me and are there for me.

[00:10:02]And so that is what that they did right here, which was literally her uh support family in court.

[00:10:11]>> Yeah. You know, and then she goes right into her statement that is something like 40 minutes long.

[00:10:17]>> And I can't wait to get your take on it because it's very strange. In all of my years covering court, I've never heard a statement of alocution in this way. And here we My sweet baby boys.

[00:10:31]I know that today you don't want to speak to me, have a relationship with me. You may think you hate me. And that's okay. I will never be angry at you for your feelings. When the day comes that you're ready, I will be here for you, waiting for you and loving you.

[00:10:49]But I need you boys to know and understand that I have been desperately trying to get in contact with you any way that I can for years. That all of my communication has been completely cut off from you since early 2024.

[00:11:06]And now I will use any opportunity I can to get a message to you. Even if that means sharing it publicly to the world fully restrained in my jail clothes and one of the most horrible situations possible. I don't care and I'm not embarrassed or ashamed by any of it. All I care about is you boys. I will do whatever it takes for you to hear the truth from me and to come home to you.

[00:11:33]Once temporary custody was transferred to Katie and Clint against my wishes, they cut off all of my communication between you boys and I was years before I would ever have a trial. I did not just walk out of your lives one day to never return, to never call, to never show up.

[00:11:54]Regardless of what anyone tells you, I would never ever leave you boys. And I am so sorry if for even one second you thought that I did. You boys have the right to be angry and sad and confused, feel in survival mode, have questions.

[00:12:13]All of this is completely valid.

[00:12:16]Your feelings are completely valid.

[00:12:19]And one day when this is all over, we can sit down and talk about all of this and sort it all out.

[00:12:27]I promise you boys one day it will be over.

[00:12:32]>> Is she really crying or trying to cry?

[00:12:34]What's going on?

[00:12:35]>> Well, there was a point where her voice shifted. You could hear it the strain in her voice. So, it became emotional. Uh, but the way I see this, Matt, I'm now removing her as the killer, which we know she is. She's now being mom. So this letter, all of this had nothing to do other than her message to her boys from their mom. So what this is showing me is that there's parental estrangement, right? The kids don't want anything to do with her. She is trying to create reconciliation, right? She is also trying to rec to trying to grasp at whatever she can have to have any form of contact with the with her voice so that she does not want to have severed and that was very clear to me. So she says and clearly listen to her word for word what she was saying word for word was her word for word that's how I saw it. She did not want to be restrained. She wanted her them to know exactly how she felt and from her experience and that you will know it from at some point in time in your life.

[00:13:52]You know, it's interesting how it's like um what we call rational lies. You rationalize rational lies and that's what she's done and that's what she wants those children to hear. This whole thing was about her message to her children. I want you to kind of think about like if she weren't here, right? And we see these movies like the oh gosh, the notebook or something and and then they open it up and here's the letter from the loved one and it's everything I want you to know growing up. I want you to know everything that I want you to do or what to to think about when you're growing up and don't trust this and trust your feelings and love your dad and be like your dad and all those kind of things. It was to me like an orbituary in some sort of way of a letter she was leaving behind to her children except for she's hoping that they're going to at some point in time reconcile their differences and that she is going to be able to tell her truth.

[00:15:00]>> Yeah. And you know what? That may be the reason why Alec Murdoch never admitted to the murders, too, because he wants some sort of relationship with Buster.

[00:15:08]um since that's on everybody's minds right now too because he um also maintains his innocence and hopes to have a relationship and maybe she wants some sort of a relationship with someone to contact her when she's in prison. Um maybe that's where it's going. I thought that you know a lot of it was attackatory um you know attacking her um her in-laws for lack of communication with the boys. But I mean, and then it became, like you were saying, you already hinted at it. Um, this weird poem and letter, it became even more so.

[00:15:40]And in all fairness to Corey Richens, you know, these clips that I'm showing you, it goes on and on and on. So, it it is edited. It's not in just one sentence. Um, but you kind of get the point with it. So, let me put on uh be like your dad part of her statement.

[00:15:56]>> Don't ever settle for just good.

[00:15:59]Go for great.

[00:16:01]in school, in your career, in hunting, in fishing, and your relationships and your goals exceed expectations.

[00:16:19]Be like your dad.

[00:16:24]Be generous.

[00:16:27]Be charitable.

[00:16:29]Stay humble.

[00:16:32]Give when you have too much.

[00:16:37]Give more than you take.

[00:16:40]Help when others are in need.

[00:16:45]Serve your community.

[00:16:49]Be like your dad.

[00:16:55]Never stop learning through education, through people, through travel, culture, through business and friends, from your success and achievements, from your mistakes and failures.

[00:17:13]Be like your dad.

[00:17:17]Love the outdoors.

[00:17:19]Find your peace, your therapy, your heart and soul.

[00:17:29]On the top of a mountain somewhere, where it's quiet, where it's calm, where you will be able to feel the spirits of those that you love and miss the most.

[00:17:49]be like your dad.

[00:17:57]>> Real tears. I mean, is she trying to begin a poetry book? I don't know.

[00:18:03]>> Well, she is showing emotion. I mean, you can see, you know, there's some snot going on here. So, see a little nose dri dripage going on. So, she is feeling emotion, but you know, she's saying things in like like little sound bites because she's throwing these out there.

[00:18:19]Here's where I'm going to I'm going to throw something out at you, though. I think that she is repeating things that she may have really liked about her husband in the past that those are attributes of good attributes that her husband did have.

[00:18:39]She's just leaving out what she didn't like about him, right? So, there's a lot she liked about him that are good attributes and she was naming what he was all about. So, the fact that she's actually saying all these positives and no negatives, she's kind of setting the tone that this is how she felt about him. So, how could I possibly have done this horrible thing knowing your father was such a great man and for you to be um to follow your father's attributes?

[00:19:11]She's just giving them the children, you know, parental guidance about them, how to think about their father. But everything that Corey Richard says has a double meaning. So, she's saying it, but also it has another meaning to it. Like I want you to see me in a better light than what people are portraying me to be because I didn't see my husband as this bad person I had to kill. Here was all these great things about your dad that I want you to follow and emulate in your lives. So this is the kind of psychology that I find fascinating how a person can think there. It's almost like the part of Dr. Bird just talks about cubing, right? Where you can be this murder, killer, and then you can be this great mother, housewife, mentor, but you can you've got this other part and it's like tucked away. She knows it, but that's not what she wants the world to see.

[00:20:15]>> Yeah. And almost um there was a lot of chat when we were watching it live together and people were saying, "Gosh, I wish Susan was here to help break it all down and get an hour." But um you know, a lot of people were wondering, you know, maybe she's like making these statements not only because she wants the boys back in her life, but because it's kind of part of her appeal. She's really claiming her innocence.

[00:20:37]>> Yeah. And and you know what? That's what she's doing. I mean, if if you were on the defense side, what would you do?

[00:20:45]Okay. Because they already know, well, listen, if you're found guilty, hey, don't worry about it. We're going to file an appeal. This is what we're going to do. This is what defense attorneys do. So, what she's doing is putting it all on record. It's all on record.

[00:20:57]Everything goes on the record, right?

[00:20:59]You got the TV cameras rolling.

[00:21:00]Everything else, you got the stenographer there. Everything's going is all in there. So, they're going to look at this grieving woman who is innocent that was, you know, charged with this heinous crime that never happened. I'm a loving mother and also a wife and I want my children back and everybody else is bad. This is what she's doing. And then she gaslights everybody else, right? That and and she does this in a way that makes her look better, more elevated. So, she's trying to show to the world and her hoping that her sons are going to be hearing this about how much how great of a mom she is. And I'm giving you some really good future world advice of how to live your lives without me. But I'm still here and I'm still going to contact you and I'm still going to keep trying because I'm never going to give up.

[00:21:51]>> You know, in the same subject of her maybe making this part of her appeal and putting it on the record, she really goes into the jury got it wrong. So, let me play that and get your take. I'm sorry that eight people from a jury who have never met you or me or our family had the right to determine our future.

[00:22:16]And they did that in less than 3 hours.

[00:22:23]In a perfect world, there might be justice, but in a perfect world, nothing ever goes wrong.

[00:22:31]Tragedies don't happen.

[00:22:34]You haven't had to just endure losing one parent, but losing two. And no child should ever have to go through that, especially when one was an unforeseen tragedy.

[00:22:47]And the other based on injustice and a system we're supposed to trust.

[00:22:53]And as much as you've been influenced into thinking that dad was murdered, that I took your dad from you, that is completely wrong and an absolute lie.

[00:23:04]And the thought of that is still as absurd today as it was four years ago.

[00:23:10]And just because someone may not be perfect, that's a far reach for them to be capable of murder, to kill someone, our someone.

[00:23:22]Your dad was in physical pain.

[00:23:25]A lot of physical pain.

[00:23:27]And just because some people didn't know or didn't want to see certain things doesn't mean they weren't happening or they weren't true.

[00:23:38]He would have never left us intentionally.

[00:23:41]And I would have never taken him from you, from us.

[00:23:48]He was the glue that held us all together.

[00:23:51]that made us us.

[00:23:59]Every little boy needs their father.

[00:24:04]Is he supposed to teach you the things that I could never explain?

[00:24:13]He's supposed to teach you and do things with you that only a dad can do.

[00:24:24]And only he could give you those life lessons between a father and a son.

[00:24:33]And I would have never taken that from you.

[00:24:37]And I'm so sorry that I can't bring him back for you, for me, for our family.

[00:24:49]Okay. So, was it an act? Were they real emotions?

[00:24:53]>> Well, there were there were mixed emotion. I mean, there were emotions here, but they're not all for the kids. This is about herself, too, showing emotion. So, I do think that a lot of these emotions, which I don't know whether your viewers are what they're seeing in there, and they're saying, "Oh, she's faking it." Well, I don't look at it that way because I'm looking at certain characteristics in the face and the tone of the voice and the shrilling and so forth. Is it real?

[00:25:20]Is it seem felt? Yes. But we don't know if it's because she's feeling guilt, shame, all of these things. And she's looking back going, "Man, I just really messed up." Right? Like she's feeling a lot of regret. So, she's like taking herself out of it and like almost like how Casey Anthony would do. she would repaint and redesign her who she is but not attaching it to the person who actually acted it out. So in in retrospect, she's not going backward.

[00:25:52]She's looking at it in present tense, not in past tense. I hope you get that right. Everybody gets that because she's thinking about how she would be what her father the father and the relationship that they should have had is in uh future uh future tense and and also not past tense but in right now tense and future tense. So from right now looking forward this is what I want this is the lessons I want you to to know not going backwards she says I would never have there's a lot of language issues here would could are always big red flags for me I would never have taken your father from you would I what was what would be the easiest way of saying it would be I didn't do it I didn't take your father away from me so when we see these um she didn't use contractions when she was supposed to. So that is a um a red flag for me. The other thing that I mentioned was wanted to mention was she used a lot of together words us together we and present tense in present tense not in past. She he's already past. So she's looking at this as if he's almost still alive. This is in present and future tense. That's a deceptive indicator because we look at um when people are speaking about something that happened in past tense, they're going to speak in past tense, not in future tense. So then she um she puts herself in think about herself as being a third person. She's speaking as if she's a third person and then she talks about living in an imperfect world. So, she is admitting to that, you know, we're all in not infallible. We're all infallible. We all can make mistakes, but she doesn't really name what it is or the severity of what it is. This is there's a lot within this language that would fall under deceptive language. And the way she's profering it is um she's feeling victimized. And now is she being victimized, those children being victimized, and then she goes on to chastise and reprimand that jury.

[00:28:14]Now, if that judge judge is sitting behind the bench and he's going, you know, I'm just going just this one little mark. I could move it from here to over here like forever, right? He she was only like one mark away. And the fact that she was chastising that jury after they spent how many weeks, months, right, giving their service and they reprimanded him as if it was their fault. No, girlfriend. It was your fault.

[00:28:47]It was your fault. And all the witnesses that testified, they came to the conclusion unanimously that you are guilty of firstdegree murder. Boom. end of story. No one got it wrong. They got it right.

[00:29:02]>> And she could have testified. She could have, you know, rather than just giving a statement now and chastising the jury.

[00:29:09]And, you know, she could have actually put on a case even though it's not her burden, but she could have done that.

[00:29:15]And she does remind me of like Casey Anthony or Jodie Aras or Murdoch with the with the different narrative and just presenting a different person and a different reality than the rest of us are seeing.

[00:29:28]>> Yeah. Um, so that brings us to our verdict. And again, the judge had the decision whether or not to give her life with the possibility of parole one day or life without parole. So, I can't wait to get your reaction to this. but the potential impact on the survivors of the tragedy created by Cory Richens.

[00:29:54]Most importantly, Eric Rich's three sons is more difficult to predict.

[00:30:02]On one hand, if the court sentences Miss Rich to life without parole, one or more of those young men may come to resent that the court eliminated any opportunity they might have in the future. decades into the future to express an opinion as adults with substantial life experience about whether their mother should, for example, be allowed to die within him.

[00:30:32]On the other hand, if the court sentences Miss Richens to 25 to life, one or more of those young men may spend the next 30 years questioning why the court failed to protect them from the prospect of the person who murdered their father being released from prison at some time in the distant future, perhaps when they have families and children of their own.

[00:31:00]The court's contemplation of how those young men may come to feel about today's decision some 30 years from now comes from a place of genuine concern for them and humility regarding the court's inability to predict the future and the bottom line.

[00:31:20]>> Okay. So, did you notice anything uh before we hear his decision and how she reacts to that?

[00:31:26]>> Yeah. So, at first she's got her eyes down, so she's kind of processing, right? So, deep thought processing.

[00:31:34]She's numb. Uh, she does some of this mouth licking and every time you see hear him, the judge mention something about his children and her, you'll find her licking her lips. So, that's a lot of uh you'll see it every time he mentions in the future of the children and so forth. There is it's followed either um right before or like a second after not a a second before a second after or a few seconds after. That's when you see this kind of thing as a psychophysiological response and that is a concern, worry, fear, um just overall high emotion and your your salvatory glands gets they become dry and so they lick. And every time it has to do with the children every single time. So that tells me when you start to link them together. See that right there? Right.

[00:32:32]Like this is real. That is like a form of compression. There's high emotion.

[00:32:37]And that's how we see it is in the mouth. Oftentimes we'll always see it in the mouth rolling um lip liping, lip compression, lip rolling in. And part of that also too is it's a complex emotion.

[00:32:50]There's sadness, there's fear, there's concern, there's worry. Um there's fear, a lot of fear that's going on there. And you can see those those lines. See them up high on her forehead? Those horizontal lines. There's two of them.

[00:33:01]Great big ones, right? You can see it.

[00:33:03]That's the shadow of them there. Those are worry lines, concern lines. But her overall eyes are pretty dead.

[00:33:12]There's not a lot of emotion going on in her eyes.

[00:33:16]>> Why is I even see rabbit eye blinking.

[00:33:18]>> Is she preparing for the worst case scenario there?

[00:33:22]>> Oh yeah. Right then she has already um she has already conditioned herself for the big blow. So she's prepared. So what I when she's not prepared you would see if the when we see with the let's just see I'm let's say a test okay with all of your readers or viewers and watchers.

[00:33:44]If she wasn't prepared and she heard guilty, you would see quick flash of eye eyebrow eyelid flash like this, like a uh fast eye blinking. Right now, it's pretty steady, right? Normal blink rate.

[00:34:02]Now, let's see what happens after that.

[00:34:05]>> Okay, let's get the judges uh sentencing and get your reaction.

[00:34:11]>> The bottom line is this.

[00:34:14]Cory Richens was convicted unanimously and beyond a reasonable doubt of attempting to murder Eric Richens, her husband and the father of their three children.

[00:34:29]And then having failed in her first effort of spending the next 17 days not changing course but doubling down preparing to try again and ultimately completing the act through the administration of poisoning and for what money all for pecuniary gain.

[00:34:57]Okay. So, big reaction there when he accused um her of killing him for money.

[00:35:03]>> Yeah. So, surprise surprise, right?

[00:35:07]Eyebrows raised. She does this a lot when she is like like really that's what that's what she say. You got to be kidding me. Really? That's it. Eyes wide open, brows lifted up, and they're frozen. So, she does this when she's trying to send a message. Like, she holds it, which is performative because it's beyond 3 to 5 seconds. It's held.

[00:35:30]She lifts her eyelids almost like kind of fall right inside the center of the socket. She glares right at the judge, right? And holds it. So, when she's doing that, it's a form of intimidation.

[00:35:43]Like, really, you're joking. Are you out of your mind? That's what she's thinking internally. She disagrees. See, if you were to separate the top of part of her face to the lower half, they look in congruent, don't they?

[00:36:00]>> Mhm.

[00:36:01]>> Right. So, we look at does that match?

[00:36:03]Like I would be, if that were true, I would go I would have my mouth drop like really it would go together. But it's not. It's only in the upper part of it.

[00:36:13]That's the part she can control. She is controlling her facial expressions to give the impression like a movie screen.

[00:36:22]I am sending you a nonverbal message. It is like a a screen, a movie screen, but they're not with words. She is playing out a rule and uh it's acting like she's sending a message non-verbbally. And the why I say that is because it doesn't match the bottom. So, it's not congruent. It's performative. Otherwise, it would all be saying the same message.

[00:36:52]>> Well, let's see what she does next.

[00:36:54]person of convicted of committing that sequence of acts in that way and for that reason and who causes the absolute tragedy that has befallen Eric Richen's sons and Finn.

[00:37:14]A person convicted of those things is simply too dangerous to ever be free.

[00:37:22]Accordingly, Ms. argence based on your conviction on count one, firstdegree felony aggravated murder. The court hereby sentences you to life without you have the right to an appeal. You must file a notice of appeal within 30 days. You have the right to be represented by council on appeal.

[00:37:43]>> Mr. Bworth, anything further?

[00:37:47]>> Okay, your thoughts.

[00:37:48]>> Okay, first of all, she's trying to show disbelief. That's what that's all about.

[00:37:52]head forward like she's moving into his proxmics. It's like a I don't want to call it an attack, but when you're leaning forward in it's a form of control and dominance.

[00:38:06]That's really interesting. She thinks it's just a big joke. She's This is contempt. Eye rolling, smirking, mouth contempt. All of that is contempt. And you know, we they've done some research on the four um horsemen of the apocalypse of what is one of the big things about relationships that would destroy them. And she showed three different forms of contempt right there in her facial expressions, which certainly the judge looking at going, "Oh no, really? Okay, guess what? You're getting it all. You're going to get it all. I'm going to give it to you all."

[00:38:42]You don't do that. You don't throw contempt expressions to the judge three times in a row in disbelief. Eye rolling. Think about a husband and wife.

[00:38:54]When they get in an argument, you don't like what they have to say. You go, "Oh, yeah, right." That's contempt. Okay. But then she does it with her mouth. She leans forward and she's frozen. No rapid eye blinking. So, she's just taking the hit. She expected it.

[00:39:09]>> Yeah. She's a piece of work. She really is. Um, I just couldn't wait to get your point of view on all of this. We could talk about her for hours and hours because that's actually how long the sentencing went. And her little speech to the court, which went in circles, was over 30 minutes. I think closer to 40.

[00:39:28]Thank you, Susan, for helping to break it all down. It's a lot. It's a lot with her.

[00:39:33]>> I know. And you know what? I wish that my book was coming out. No, no, I don't really wish that, but a little longer because I actually wrote about Corey Richens in my book >> when she was Yes, I sure did. And uh boy, this would have been a good sequel.

[00:39:49]But don't worry about that because we can cover it into my secluded group. If you sign up, if you click on this one, you go to Barnes & Noble and you can um or pre-order the book and then you can then be part of my own little community where I'm going to take you inside behind the scenes and show you how I break it all down.

[00:40:08]>> Well, that's fantastic. I'm going to join it. I think that the the book is amazing. Um I'm going to have all of the information in my show notes. Um, Susan Constantine, thank you so much and congratulations on the book How to Spot a Liar in 7 Seconds or Less. It's out for sale right now and it's of course on your website as well and I'm going to have that link. Your website is >> susanconstantine.com.

[00:40:33]>> Thank you, my friend.

[00:40:35]>> You're welcome.

[00:40:35]>> And if you would like to watch Corey's full statement to the judge and the other victim impact statements, just head to the video section of this YouTube channel. Thanks for being here.

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