Reformed Baptist, Catholic, And Orthodox DEBATE Church AUTHROITY

Ajouté : 2026-05-23

[00:00:00]You have three choices. You can either join the Oralent Orthodox, you can join the Eastern Orthodox, or you can join the Catholics. Those are those are literally your only three choices because only those three churches have legitimate claim to coming from the church that Christ has started.

[00:00:19]>> And that does what? But that but that does what? when I can still have salvation outside of your church.

[00:00:34]>> Huh?

[00:00:35]>> I think that's the problem. I think that's the problem is you're holding church fathers to the level of Christ.

[00:00:40]No, no man is perfect. It's impossible.

[00:00:44]>> Amen.

[00:00:44]>> Except for the pope when he's on the on the share of Peter.

[00:00:47]>> Language. Language, brother. Language.

[00:00:51]What did I say?

[00:00:52]>> You said when he's iting when he's uh ishching on you use the sword, right?

[00:00:59]>> Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

[00:01:00]>> Except for the pope when he's sitting on the chair of Peter.

[00:01:04]>> I thought you said the other sword. I was going to say, oh, >> no, no, no. And I'm mocking I'm mocking the the Catholic the Roman Catholic here, by the way.

[00:01:12]>> Yeah.

[00:01:13]>> Except for that man when he's sitting there >> speaking ex Cathedral.

[00:01:17]>> Exactly. And and we think >> Do you hear that contradiction?

[00:01:20]>> No.

[00:01:21]>> Yeah. Yeah. Except for that guy.

[00:01:24]>> No, because we don't hold my my and the Catholic Church thing is saying the same. He's still fallible. Are you kidding? Have you heard Francis the crazy >> when he when he sits on the chair?

[00:01:39]>> Sorry.

[00:01:40]>> So when he speaks Exca, >> he can be an error.

[00:01:44]No, Francis didn't sit uh uh ex Cathedral. That's why he a Yeah, he said a whole lot of nonsense, but he didn't he didn't make any decorations.

[00:01:54]>> Okay, but who are you to say that? Okay, so who are you to say that he was speaking nonsense when he when when he was the pope of your church? How can you determine that?

[00:02:03]>> Man, >> you can have bad popes. You can have bad orthodoxy. You can have bad patriarchs.

[00:02:08]>> Okay. So, so how do you as um how are you a part who was a layman who was not a part of the clergy?

[00:02:16]>> How can you make a determination that the pope is wrong based on what? Like what is your authority to say that a pope is wrong?

[00:02:24]>> Have that authority?

[00:02:25]>> Yeah. Go ahead.

[00:02:26]>> Are you ready?

[00:02:26]>> Yeah.

[00:02:27]>> The last 2,000 years of church teachings. That's how >> Yeah.

[00:02:31]>> If he if he says something that goes against church teachings, he's wrong. So that's what I was saying like that that that Cinjun guy as soon as you read that sentence to me I I put a a nip in that bud. As soon as he said the castles had to submit to Jerome I was like this guy's cracked.

[00:02:48]>> So where does the Okay.

[00:02:51]>> And I can say that he might be a cardinal but I can say because the church has taught for 2,000 years that nobody's above the councils except for the pope.

[00:03:02]>> Yeah, he just added that part. Uh never said that in any council before except for the pope.

[00:03:09]>> Wow.

[00:03:10]>> Because as Catholics that's what we believe.

[00:03:12]>> But but is that is that absolutely true or is that just like your opinion?

[00:03:16]>> No. No. That's what the c that's what the Catholic Church teaches.

[00:03:19]>> No absolutely true >> is what absolutely true sir. is is that the pope is above the councils >> that yeah that a a council can't depose uh uh the pope.

[00:03:37]>> Okay. So >> even though there are councils that have deposed popes >> No, we've gotten rid of false if you're talking about the the time in history where there's the three popes, right? We just got rid of the three false ones. Oh yeah, except for Except for those ones.

[00:03:55]>> Yeah. And and the one true and the one true pope who was the who was the correct one, he vol he voluntarily stepped down so that they could reset and have a go. So just because somebody comes in, if I came from left field and I like, you know what, I'm Pope McDan, >> does that mean that that that Pope Leo is now not the Pope because I call myself the Pope?

[00:04:17]>> Well, the contests would say that. Yes.

[00:04:20]>> Yeah. and and they're separated. They're outside. So, their opinion means nothing.

[00:04:24]>> No, they weren't an advertised yet.

[00:04:27]>> They're still technically taking valid sacrif orthodoxy have any claim to what is going on inside the Orthodox church?

[00:04:35]>> No, because universally they've been already anatized. Maybe not in a council but >> and so that's the same as actually I think they have been in a council but um same as the set of a contantis the set of a contest have separated themselves from the church so whatever they say >> well they willing >> they willingly did but how much can you actually excommunicate yourself your priest can literally call you on the cell phone it's like no that's not valid get your butt back here you need to confess and then take this freaking communion I'm not allowing you to excommunicate yourself So you can't excommunicate yourself like the set of contests think they have.

[00:05:14]>> No, the the councils have actually determined that if you preach her if you preach open heresy, you've excommunicated yourself.

[00:05:23]You can come back in. So excommunication isn't a permanent cast out. It's not like you're if you're excommunicated, you can never come back to the church.

[00:05:31]It's not like you're gone forever.

[00:05:33]>> You know, separation until you come back, repent and acknowledge your sins.

[00:05:38]And if they do that then they get to come back in. So instead of a contest have excommunicated themselves by the things that they are saying. They can come back in the minute they want to repent and apologize for their errors.

[00:05:53]It's just not uh from again I'm not Roman Catholic so I don't think there was a declarative statement of if you are a a claimed set of a contantists you are anathema until you come and repent.

[00:06:08]I don't think there was some I don't think the pope has said that in a declarative statement at any point in the last hundred years which >> set up a contest to say >> Vatican one I think. Yeah, it was Vatican 1 is the one that said that if you try to say that the pope isn't the pope and you're going to guess that then you're then you're you're gone.

[00:06:29]>> Uh I think Vatican 2 contradicted that though. Uh but that's a different conversation entirely.

[00:06:37]>> Yeah. when you see and so that's why like even when you guys talk about us >> and you guys are like oh well you know I left the Protestant church because of all of these divisions and stuff but I'm just like I'm looking at you guys and you guys are saying apostolic possession hands tradition all of this stuff and I'm like okay well why would I want to leave my church and inquire about both of you any one of you guys' church when number one you guys got differences amongst each other you know amongst yourselves and then you got you you guys. Huh?

[00:07:09]>> I I understand your confusion. You You have a legitimate question in in asking that question. But my answer to this is your church never existed for 1500 years, right? What everything you believe in did not exist.

[00:07:25]>> You can find parts like, "Oh, this guy had this thought." Like, "Oh, Jerome thought this about the cannon." And then you'll find some other guy thought this.

[00:07:32]There was no one teaching the reformed Baptist theology that you hold to today.

[00:07:39]Didn't didn't exist. You have three choices. You can either join the Orielent Orthodox, you can join the Eastern Orthodox, or you can join the Catholics. Those are those are literally your only three choices because only those three churches have legitimate claim to coming from the church that Christ has started. And that does what?

[00:08:02]That but that does what? When I can still have salvation outside of your church?

[00:08:06]>> No. Again, I said you're you're throwing the dice down, >> right? You're you're throwing the dice by staying that way. You might again, God's mercy, greatness, who knows, right? But you're taking a big risk in playing that game of going that way.

[00:08:23]>> Whereas if you come within the apostolic churches, you are much better off. You are now like to my analogy, you're now cracking open that book to study for the test, right? You're not just willy-nilly going into that test like, "Oh, hey, I wonder if I'm going to pass or not."

[00:08:39]>> And I can still go to hell, right?

[00:08:41]>> Can I still go to hell up under your church?

[00:08:44]>> Yeah. Everybody can.

[00:08:46]>> Okay. So, I can be saved outside of your church, but then I can also go to hell under your church as well.

[00:08:53]Did the Lord say that you prophes we prophesied in your name but you never knew me? Did he say that or not?

[00:08:59]>> Yeah, he said that.

[00:09:01]>> Well, then you should worship the Lord in fear and trembling and pray to God in pure repentance.

[00:09:07]>> That's what I do.

[00:09:07]>> In pure repentance for our sinful natures as hard as you can, >> as sincerely as you can every day and help your children feel the same and and worship Christ. And if you understand that where the bishop is, there the church is.

[00:09:25]>> Can you show me that in the Bible or not?

[00:09:27]>> Can can you show me that in the scriptures?

[00:09:29]>> Okay.

[00:09:31]>> Uh let's Okay. So, let's bring it up.

[00:09:35]Y'all let me know where uh where submission to the bishop um leads to our salvation or plays a part in our find in First Timothy. You're going to find it in First Timothy. It's gonna be Paul writing to Timothy.

[00:09:49]>> Okay. Well, where in First Timothy?

[00:09:52]>> Hold on a second. I gotta get my do I'm sorry. I'll be right back. My daughter needs something.

[00:09:57]>> All right. Well, well, I'll go ahead and read this part, right? Huh?

[00:09:59]>> Titus 1. I believe it's Titus 1.

[00:10:03]>> Okay. So, wait. So, hold on. I'm going to go to Titus 1, but I'm going to read this First Timothy because I had this pulled up earlier that I wanted to read.

[00:10:08]>> Oh, yeah. Go ahead, brother.

[00:10:09]>> 1 Timothy chapter 4, starting at verse 6. If you put these things before the brothers, you'll be a good servant of of Christ Jesus, being trained in the words of the faith and uh and of the good doctrine that you have followed.

[00:10:24]Oh, I I already read this part. I already read this part. Have nothing to do with irreverent silly myths rather than train your Okay, so I read this part right here. Okay, so so I thought I thought I didn't read this one, but I did. Uh we got 2 Timothy 2:14.

[00:10:41]um remind them the of these things and change them before God. Do not quarrel quarrel about words which does no good but only ruins the the hearers. Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved a worker who has no need to be ashamed rightly handling the word of truth.

[00:11:02]Uh but avoid irreverent babble for it will lead people into more and more ungodliness and their talk will spread like gang green. Among them are Himenius of Phileitus uh who have served who I'm sorry who has uh swerved from the truth saying that the resurrection has already happened.

[00:11:22]Uh they are upsetting the faith of some.

[00:11:24]>> Huh?

[00:11:25]>> Right there. Pause right there.

[00:11:26]>> Yes sir. Go ahead. That right there is saying exact what we're saying that follow the people who are sent by God.

[00:11:34]It can ignore the people who were not.

[00:11:36]So the Bible is clearly telling you that there's certain people you are supposed to listen to who you're supposed to follow and then rejecting the others.

[00:11:45]>> Right?

[00:11:45]>> So there's clearly a body that you're told to listen to and not the other.

[00:11:52]>> Right? So you you're asking like why why go to one of these? And that's why because we have come from Christ himself with the apostolic tradition. We have that. So only one of these three churches you can go to because they're >> on that same point, I don't mean to interrupt you, but on that very same point in Hebrews 13:17, it says, "Obey your leaders and submit to them >> for they are keeping watch over your souls as those who will have get as those who will have to give an account for what they're teaching to you." So, it's the bishops that you're under that will actually have a much higher responsibility and duty and and and more to answer for to Christ than the layman who is submitting to the church, which you're asking a valid question. Which one of you should I join? You guys are claiming which one and it doesn't make any sense. I'm he's making a good point as a Roman Catholic, which I won't say that very often, but he is making a good point that at least that it is meeting a lot of the criteria that the scriptures teach you that you read. And it is it and now that I can see it from this angle, it is astonishing to me. As much as I knew these things as a Protestant, I just dismissed them so stubbornly as I it's just impossible that I would have to submit to some foreign body that's not my own, you know, conscience. It's It is strange, though. So, he's making a valid point. We have apostolic secession. That's one criteria. the laying on of hands all the way back to the apostles.

[00:13:29]And so you have to start asking these questions. I mean, you don't have to.

[00:13:32]You could live in divine ignorance and say, "Oh, I didn't hear that, >> but uh I would like then purposely keeping yourself in the ignorance >> the gates.

[00:13:42]>> You you have to be actively trying you not coming to understanding that's where you still have the divine ignorance, right? But if you're just like with what you said like, well, you know, I'm just going to sit back here and I'm all good.

[00:13:55]That's not you're that you gave up trying to find the truth in God >> and that that is a sin and that does cut you off.

[00:14:04]>> Right. So So basically, Magdan, you would say that I'm in sin right now. I I I'm not searching the the the truth in God.

[00:14:13]>> No, no, no, no, brother. That's why I seemed pretty genuine to me.

[00:14:16]>> That's one of the things I want to come on here at the beginning to start off with because uh in in the intro show you said I want to become an ortho bro and then you said like oh look here's McDenn. He's one of those guys. He's still here.

[00:14:28]>> No, I say I say I say you I said that you defend him. Oh, I I I did I did say I did say I I did say that that that you that you seem like that you trying to that you trying to low-key become an ortho, bro. You know what I'm saying? I did say that, brother. Yeah, but I was >> trying to get those Protestant Catholics to come over, too.

[00:14:46]>> I want I and I and I hope you I hope if I failed in coming across this way, I apologize.

[00:14:52]>> Yeah, >> I keep coming because one, I I enjoy I think we have genuine conversations. I like listen to what you have to say. Um I think you're a good man and just because we have disagreements, that doesn't mean I don't have love for you.

[00:15:04]Right. So like there's no hatred in my heart against that. Yeah. Right. So that's why I keep coming around because I I think it's good times and and it's iron sharpening iron. We're trying to get to the truth and so we're working on that together and I think that's a a Christlike thing to do.

[00:15:20]>> I think that the Holy Spirit is bringing you here because I I I think I think I'm on the cusp of bringing you home, brother. I I really do. I think I'm on the cusp of bringing you home. So that So you were led here by the Holy Spirit because you had two church fathers that kind of had your cannon. Is that right?

[00:15:36]You said what now?

[00:15:40]>> You're you're on the cusp of bringing uh Roman Catholic here home because you have two church fathers you can plead to that kind of had your cannon.

[00:15:47]>> Oh, brother, I got more. I just brought up those two. I mean, I got more. I mean, you know, >> let's let's go.

[00:15:54]>> All right. So, now now remember y'all now now y'all see Moses, he asked for this. All right. He he asked for this.

[00:16:01]So So let's pull it up.

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