This video demonstrates that productive political debate requires participants to agree on shared definitions and terms; when one party cannot define key concepts like 'wokeism' or 'collectivism,' the debate becomes unproductive and resembles political theater rather than substantive discourse. The video illustrates this through Dave Rubin's appearance on Jubilee's Surrounded, where Rubin struggled to define 'wokeism' and was unable to engage meaningfully with liberal counterarguments, ultimately failing to defend his position against well-prepared opponents.
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Dave Rubin FAILS To Combat REAL High Level Ideas (or just reality) pt1Ajouté :
So folks, today we're going to take uh the measure of a man. A man who has made too many mistakes. A man whose life path has been dictated by poor choices since the very moment he was conceived. And that man's name is Dave Rubin, purported inheritor of highlevel ideas and uh also noted classical liberal and ma man.
And here he is on the latest episode of Jubilee.
And you know what? It's not often that I can say with certainty, sight unseen, haven't watched a single second of this at all.
But I can tell you guys, this man is about to be mogged, manhandled, and absolutely maltreated by a group full of young upandcomers in the political space. All right, he's about to be uh let me let me let me put it this way. around 20 liberals in this room are about to be incredibly ableist towards Dave Rubin simply by treating his ideas as if they are as valid as theirs. Now, that might be a big claim here, but I think we're about to see someone who is completely and utterly out of his depth, and I am uh I'm here for it. I think it's going to be very funny.
So, let's take a look.
You're arguing that things economically were better under Joe Biden at the end of his administration. Absolutely. So, can you give me an example of how?
>> Yeah. GDP growth was better off. Real median wage growth is better off.
Inflation was better off the end of his administration. Unemployment was better off the end of his administration. We had the worst year of job growth in the past. God >> Creor yet Russian is a former owner.
>> No, wait.
>> Forward to seeing his highest of level ideas.
>> Why? Why did it alert?
Why? Usually they alert at the same time. Greg Garnet Russian, as a former owner of Dave Rubin, I look forward to seeing his highest love level ideas. We all should. Thank you for the $10 uh super chat. Uh Greg Gornet Russian. Uh longtime uh supporter of the Riverbo Jack stream. No strings attached. I will say there is a high likelihood that different parts of this stream are going to get uh demonetized uh as a direct result of us taking a look at Jubilee.
That being said, I don't care. Uh remember to like, comment, subscribe, do those things. They really really help the channel grow. And uh also uh let me know what you think about this absolute beatdown of this man I would feel sympathy for if he wasn't uh an advocate for some of the worst ideas known to man. Here we go.
>> Four years just this last year under Trump's administration was the Reuben report. Did that also accept >> Russian money?
>> What show did I do for Russian?
>> I'm not >> Oh no. Oh no. Dude, you put yourself in a room full of people who know all of your [ __ ] >> Russia, I'm saying Russia saw you as a stoogge who could easily say the talking points that benefited them.
>> But law is stopping.
>> What did I uh What did I do? Well, I'm saying you're a big dumb idiot who will say anything for money. That's what I'm saying.
He's just setting him up to be dunk.
He's setting them up to dunk on him.
>> You from doing anything that that another person cannot do. Laws are not protecting trans people. If they were, trans people would not be disproportionately unemployed, unhoused.
>> What would you what would you like what would you like the law to do for you?
Again, the law can the law can guarantee equality. It can't guarantee protection, right? So, oh, this is already so much better than I thought it would be.
We're not even through. We're not even through a couple of the highlights.
Oh my god. The law cannot guarantee protection, can it?
Dave.
Dave.
What the [ __ ] guys? This is abuse.
Yeah, that this is what I mean. You might have thought if you came into this that I might be being too mean to Dave Rubin to say that putting these people surrounding him in a room with liberal talking points might be abbleist and I think you're seeing exactly why I said that.
>> It certainly can.
>> So has wokeness pushed America past the breaking point or is the progressive movement the only answer to MAGA? I'm John Regalado and from Jubilee Media, this is Surrounded, where one brave soul faces a room full of disagreeers. Today, we're unpacking what it means to be far-left, the backlash to wokeness. A John Regalada sounds like either a type of sandwich that I don't want to eat at a deli or the type of some kind of artisal coffee beverage that I also don't want to drink. But I It sounds like some kind of consumable food. and what your vote stands for in the upcoming midterm election. I'm here with our featured guest, conservative commentator Dave Rubin. Welcome. It's >> good to be here.
>> Are y'all ready to debate Dave?
>> Let's be Oh my god. They're they're going to they're going to they're going to murder him with their words >> again. I'm Dave Rubin of the Reuben Report and today I'm surrounded by the far left.
>> Oh Dave, this was such a mistake for you, my guy. This was such a [ __ ] mistake.
Oh no, Dave.
I don't know why I'm like concerned for him, but like I feel like this is going to be like Omniman just beating his son from that show Invincible.
Like this is this is going to be this is going to be some some real like uncomfortable levels of intellectual beatdown.
My first surrounded claim is that wokeism did more damage to America than Trump ever did.
>> God, what does that what does that mean, Dave?
I want Dave to define woke. I want him to define what that means because I bet you could not drag it out of him. Aside from vibes.
>> All right, if you would like to debate this claim, please get to the center in three, two, one.
He's quick. He's quick.
>> Huh? You brought a bunch of leftists in, but then you asked them to move to the center. Huh? Just like Jubilee, man.
>> So, I find it interesting that you think wokenism has done so much damage to America as opposed to Donald Trump.
>> Pride to everyone but Reuben and that one guy promoting Israel.
>> Spot dogs, thank you for the $5 super chat. Very much appreciated. And also, I don't know which one guy you're talking about. You will have to be more specific.
But that guy, no, no, no happy pride to you guy promoting a terrorist state. No, no happy pride to you.
>> Wokeism did not kick 17 million Americans off of their health insurance through Medicaid. Wokeism didn't start a disastrous war with Iran that has now led to inflation outpacing uh wage growth. Wokeism. Hey, >> we are starting Pride by watching a gay man get abused by a crowd of 20 people who hate him, but not because he is gay.
Because he is gay.
>> Yeah, like that. That's the thing. Like there's something about this where I'm kind of like, oh no, I I do feel a little bad about it on some level, but on every other level, I feel pretty good about it. So, I'm I'm I'm excited for this. And, you know, maybe maybe I shouldn't be. Maybe this makes me a bad person.
Maybe wishing ill to befall my political enemies and rivals makes me not a good person. But you know what? I'm willing to take that label.
You know, if if the right wants to label me a bad person because I like watching Dave Rubin suffer, eh, that's fine.
hasn't uh ripped up institutions or attempted even to destroy free speech even by your standards because uh Ronald Reagan appointed judge uh ruled that the Trump administration was violating the first amendment by attempting to uh deport, arrest and detain students and faculty members on college campuses for protesting for Palestine. Um wokeism to me >> uh fact check Reagan appointed Judge William G. Young of the US District Court of the District of Massachusetts ruled on September 29th through 30th uh 2025 in AUP versus Rubio that the Trump administration's ideological deportation policy arresting, detaining and seeking to deport non-citizen students and faculty of for pro Palestinian campus advocacy violated the first amendment.
Huh.
>> Yeah. It doesn't h doesn't even have uh remotely as disastrous as a track record as Donald Trump.
>> Well, how would you define wokeism? I guess we should >> You're defining it. You're the guy who's making the claim. The people who are debating you aren't the ones defining terms. It's you.
I'm going to lose it. Uh sorry.
>> I think wokeism is a pjorative term that's used to describe leftwing cultural politics.
>> Right. And and what do you think leftwing cultural politics are?
>> Man, don't don't play this game with him. Just ask Dave to define his own [ __ ] term.
>> I'd say leftwing cultural politics include uh just the broad um broad attitudes towards social justice, especially for minority groups um that have faced uh persecution in various ways.
>> Okay. So, I think the simplest way to define wokeism is basically collectivism on steroids and usually as it applies to race and gender, meaning that you should be judged.
>> Oh, I I know this lady. This lady's been on like multiple other jubilees.
But like, okay, so wokeism is collectivism on steroids, like when it comes to women and minorities.
But like, Dave, are you saying women shouldn't be able to organize to advocate for the rights of women? Oh my god, Jack, I know you've survived spirit science and what if all his this might be worse.
Look, okay, you might be worried about me, but I I have words from the past to give us all strength, okay? And I need you all to remember this about me. Never forget.
>> I am the intellectual equivalent of an assault rifle.
>> There we go. All right. Sebass in AK.
Thank you for subscribing over on Twitch. Very much appreciated. He He's a gay man, Jack. Women are to factor in his calculus. I mean, he's a gay conservative man, so maybe maybe that's correct. There are plenty of gay men who are very lovely and considerate of women >> based on the color. You actually should be judged based on the color of your skin and your sexuality and your gender and a whole bunch.
>> I'm sorry. Every word out of this guy's mouth is awful. And I am going to be a real pause champ about this because I don't want to get like uh the the stream black screened. Okay, it's it's just very irritating. But I am going to say right here, like the idea that he thinks being woke means that you should judge everyone based on the color of their skin is genuine insanity.
Did he just say being woke is being racist? That is what he's trying to say.
He's trying to align the term wokeness to just mean you're a racist.
>> Of immutable characters.
>> Sleep. Yeah. He's not advocating for wokeism. He's advocating for sleepism, for sleepy boyitis >> and depending on where those fall on the left's kind of hierarchy of importance.
That's kind of how you can parse out where people should be and how important their ideas are. So even assuming your characterization to be an accur accurate characterization which I don't necessarily take we're going to have a lot of trouble getting you actually demonstrate that wokeism has for example skyrocketed inflation out to outpace wage growth the way that Donald Trump's a war of aggression on Iran has done.
Can you can you demonstrate that wokeism has violated the first amendment by arresting students and faculty members on college campuses?
>> Okay. Well, yes I can. So let's start.
Well, first off, the the >> Oh god, they're already all laughing at him.
Um, yes, I can actually uh demonstrate that oil prices are directly related to uh wokeism. My name's Dave Rubin and I have highlevel ideas and those highle ideas allow me to [ __ ] uh anything to be connected to anything else that I choose. You see, when you imagine two things being connected, uh you can imagine an infinite number of connections between them.
disastrous war, the quote unquote disastrous war that you're talking about. You're talking about a 40-day military operation that stopped an apocalyptic regime from getting a nuclear bomb and exporting terrorism throughout the >> It's not done yet. We We are still in a state of war with them.
>> Well, then we're in a we're now in a uh we're now in an economic embargo of them, right? We've basically >> no we have military units dispersed across the region and are actively bombing them.
>> Done a blockade of the straight of Hormuz. So to say it's a disaster we've done a blockade.
>> We did lose Hang on. Hang on. We did we did lose 13.
>> It's not it's not an act of war to do a blockade in Dave Rubin's world.
>> Okay.
>> We did lose 13 of our soldiers and that is and killed over 200 children. Uh but well things happen in war, right? Things >> things just happen in war, guys. Guys, in war things just happen.
They're not there there's no actor behind the things. Things just happen, you know, like tide goes in, tide goes out, things just happen. It's not like there were fingers on triggers. It's not like there were, you know, uh, orders given. It's not like there was an entire chain of command that ends directly with President Trump. No, no, no. It's, uh, things just happen because everyone's absolved of, uh, responsibility just like the Epstein files in MAGO world, you know, things just happen. No one's responsible somehow. Things just happen.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Well, things do happen in you. Hey, wait. You can laugh at that.
Hold on. Listen, you wait. No, I agree.
I agree. But that's why war should be a last option. Uh why did if Donald Trump wanted to prevent the Islamic Republic of Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon, he could have just stuck with the Iran nuclear deal that he ripped up? Iran did >> I have a hard time being able to debate with anyone who cannot even agree to the basic definitions of things like war and embargo. Well, that's the thing, right?
In order to have an actual debate on a topic, there need to be agreed upon terms. If you cannot even agree upon the terms then there can't be a debate like you can't kind of the same way like if someone is talking about like uh you know you believe in uh gay rights and another person just believes that gay people shouldn't exist point blank. You can't really have a debate on that necessarily because one person is just denying the ability of gay people to exist at all.
Right? Like it's just becomes a vehicle for the more extreme ideology. It's it's less productive in any kind of finding the truth uh which is kind of supposed to be the purpose of debate and more becomes like a political exercise.
Right.
Well, like I I think a great example of this that you can see uh is the Whatever podcast. Many people might be familiar with that. It's it's a show where uh some guys bring on like sex workers and like ma chuds and then have the chuds yell at the sex workers.
It that's that's like their debate format. Essentially, none of the debates are actually substantive because what winds up happening is it's just it's just yelling. It's just belittling. It's just name calling uh of the sex workers. But occasionally, you'll get a moment that plays directly into the ma chud worldview and that's when it suddenly becomes like an actual conversation, right? A great example of this would be uh this particular clip. I think it I think it's this one.
>> Okay.
>> It's just too [ __ ] greasy.
>> Yeah. You know what?
>> You'll get the same. Come in here, Jake.
You think? Come on. You'll see for yourself.
>> You can't get your [ __ ] hand on it.
Try it. No, you [ __ ] That was [ __ ] >> [ __ ] like this moment with a pickle jar where he's trying to say men are big and strong and can open pickle jars.
women are too weak because they're in they're the inferior ones like and then he can't open the pickle jar and instead another guy from off offset has to go and open the jar for him and it immediately you see him [ __ ] get upset and kind of lose it because he knows that that makes him look like a big dumb [ __ ] right? It's very funny, of course, but also it's kind of like that's the level at which a debate without really any substance or agreed upon terms, that's the level that it can really get to, it just becomes political show, politically advantageous or disadvant disadvantageous depending on like how people comport themselves.
Which is why in a lot of like far-right debate circles, you just get MAGA people shouting at like liberals and calling them slurs because in their circles that's just kind of what makes them look good, right? Exactly to your point, uh, Quiet Panic, if you cannot agree on basic terms, there's not really a debate to be had.
And the thing that Dave Rubin is trying to do here desperately is just well woke. Woke is something completely different than what anyone understands it as.
>> It's collectivism.
>> Not Iran did not enrich past the two the 3.6. Wait, they didn't enrich past the 3.67% in the JCPOA. They only got to 60% after Donald Trump left that deal and then started doing um aggressive action.
>> I must say I I'm I'm impressed with your talking points. You're >> Chad. This is almost 2 hours long. He's been defeated in less than five minutes.
He's He is sitting there just being like, "Oh my god, your talking points.
They're so good.
I cannot I cannot believe this.
God damn, dude.
>> Got impressive talking points and you memorize them. Well, they're not correct, but I am impressed."
>> Okay. Uh, first off, first off, the Iranians admitted in the negotiations right before the war started that they were enriching past what they were allowed to. That's that's >> What do you mean what they were allowed to? There there's no agreement that binds them because Donald Trump ripped up the JCPOA.
When Donald Trump ripped up the JCPOA, suddenly there was no diplomatic document restraining or stopping Iran from enriching uranium. That was the one thing that was doing it. There was a mechanism in place to monitor that. When Donald Trump ripped up the JCPOA, he destroyed that mechanism.
And he destroyed any real reason for Iran to avoid enriching uranium, uranium rather.
>> Number one. Number two, you also have to go on the assumption. You also have to go Hold on. Hold on. We We hold on. You also you also you also have to go on the assumption or acceptance that can you agree can you agree or verify their claims. It's one thing to say oh this is what we're doing this is what we are agreed to etc. But >> um IA reports and US analyses show Iran did not enrich uranium beyond the JCPOA's 3.67% limit until after Trump pulled the US out of the nuclear deal.
Iran started exceeding that camp in 2019 in response to withdrawal.
You know, the the thing that they did in response to Donald Trump doing his thing.
>> You have to be able to verify that. And the idea that we have people on the ground or the UN or some third party organization that can verify what they're actually doing with underground nuclear sites and a whole bunch of other things is is, I would say, quite a leap of faith. Right. You want >> I I man, I [ __ ] I Oh, man.
Dude, the JCPOA had international inspectors coming in and inspecting their facilities.
The JCPOA literally had mechanisms to do that. And you're just saying, well, imagine if Iran had secret methods of enrichment.
Yeah, imagine that. Imagine if if Iran had like a giant laser on the moon that could just blow up cities. Imagine that.
Imagine if Iran had like a transing serum that they could put into the US water supply that just transed everybody.
Imagine that.
Imagine that Iran had just a gigantic egg and we don't know what's inside it, but maybe one day that egg will hatch and a world devouring serpent will emerge. Imagine that. You can imagine quite a lot of different things and scenarios.
Isn't that convenient for Dave Rubin?
I guess his highlevel ideas were were getting a little bit too high level.
>> Trust but verified.
>> Can I respond to that?
>> Sure. So the IAEA and and US intelligence said that Iran did not enrich past the 3.67% prior to Donald Trump ripping up and stepping out of the Iran nuclear deal in uh in I believe it was 2017 2018 when he did that. So, so negotiations in these negotiations >> because Donald Trump ripped up the Iran nuclear deal to to begin with. That's the only reason why I'll try. The IAEA assessments agree with me and Tulsi Gabbard, our director of national intelligence testified in front of Congress last year and according to the entire intelligence community, Iran did not have a nuclear weapons program.
>> Okay, that they didn't have a nuclear weapons program, they were enriching past the point that they were allowed to for civilian use. Everyone knows that.
But but >> they uh you were they were breaking the rules.
What what rules, Dave? What rules exactly were they breaking?
>> My rules.
What if is a series of comics by Marvel, not a policy position. True.
>> But do you understand the weaponization process is different than >> Do you think the Iranian regime >> also? Yeah. There are like I I love I love the modern conservative movement, you know, like it used to be that I would have to like do research like in-depth research instead of just being like a well-informed person who understands the news and reads the news and like just is constantly devouring the news. It's me, the news serpent, here to devour your news. But Dave Rubin is just so full of [ __ ] that like anything he says even on at face value is [ __ ] right? Like obviously enriching uranium does make it easier to weaponize that uranium.
However, just having enriched uranium on its own doesn't make a bomb. Like I don't I don't know how to like more succinctly put it, right? Which is like it's kind of like just having a bullet doesn't mean you have a gun. Like you don't these things are not the same. Like if you if you were trying to invent a gun from scratch and you made a bullet, you'd still have to make the entire gun.
before this war, the Iranian regime that has oppressed the people of Iran for 40 years. In her uh March 2025 intelligence testimony, Tulsi Gabbard said US intelligence agencies colluded concluded Iran was not currently building a nuclear weapon and had not restarted its pre203 nuclear weapons program. She later clarified that Iran's highlyenriched uranium stockpile could produce a nuclear weapon within weeks to months if the order were given to build one. Uh, do you think that was a good regime? Would you say that was a good government? Would you like to live under those people? Were they progressive in any way? Do they hold any of the values that any of you guys hold?
>> But we don't just we we don't just start wars on countries whose politics we disagree with or or or who >> more like just having gunpowder. Sure.
>> Are oppressive to their own people.
We're actually an ally to Saudi Arabia.
Uh, and Muhammad Salman ripped up >> that I agree with. You don't you don't you don't do that.
>> Okay.
>> We got something. All right. We got something also.
>> Oh man, Dave, you're so out of your depth. It's crazy.
>> Something that has committed gross human rights violations in Gaza.
>> I'm shocked that Israel came up. Uh Israel, the only place that has any of the pro progressive values that any of you guys share?
>> Really?
>> Any of was he about to say any of the Prageru values?
face that has any of the pro progressive values that >> he was >> any of you guys share >> really. Wait, this is actually Wait, this is perfect. This is perfect because one of the things that you told me at the beginning of this conversation was that wokeism was judging people based on characteristics and collective thought.
Israel is literally centered around the prioritization of the Jewish people a as a as a matter as a matter of policy.
That is literally collectivist thought.
So, you must hate Israel, too. You must you must think that that's the ultimate that's the ultimate uh let me ask you for collective >> Dave is having a really bad day, guys.
Dave Dave, look, Dave woke up that morning just like you and me, all right? put his pants on one leg at a time, had had some coffee, mossied on over to the set, and thought to himself, "This will save my dying YouTube channel." And uh I think it might be at this moment that they've realized he [ __ ] up >> How many Muslim countries are there? How many Muslim?
>> No, no, no. I'm going to answer.
>> Uh there are a lot of uh Muslim countries out there. Uh and they're all secretly aligned against the United States and uh I I don't really have any proof of this, but um I'm going to say it anyway. Is Israel collectivist?
>> How many Muslim countries are there?
>> I'm sure there are a lot of Muslim countries. There are a lot more Muslims than than Jews.
>> Yeah. Well, just ballpark. How many Muslim countries are there? I I would probably maybe say like let's say between 10 to 20 maybe.
>> All right. You're you're you're off by about 40. There's about 52 or 53 Muslim countries. In any of those countries, how's it going for minorities, women, gays, Christians?
>> Huh? You've played you've played uh uh a very inconvenient rhetorical card uh comparing uh the collectivist action uh that I say is too woke to the collectivist action taken by the nation of Israel. Well, have you considered uh Muslims in attack mode?
Like that's what he's doing here of right-wing trash but surrounded needs to go away.
>> I agree. And I really, you know, I've been I've been good. I've avoided talking about surrounded, but this was too good for me to pass up. This was this was too good for me to pass up. I couldn't I couldn't not.
>> Jews.
>> Yeah, I I I can say that other nations it's extraordinarily repressive. But I like I said, we got to pause there. We got to pause there. You've been voted out by the majority. Please return to your seat.
>> It's been fun.
>> Oh, she had it. She had it. All right, >> Dave.
>> All right. Hi.
>> Good to meet you. I'm actually a big fan. I've been watching you since like >> all the way back in the Sam Harris era.
Oh, yeah.
>> And then I remember you >> softening me up. Okay.
>> No, you brought on like uh Steven Mleghue, like the white nationalist, and I was like, this guy just loves ideas.
He just loves all different types.
>> Ladies and gentlemen, we got him.
Oh man, bringing up [ __ ] Stefan Molyneu in 2026.
Oh my god. I guarantee you Dave Rubin was not expecting that. It it has Dave Rubin making one of the only sound clips that I have of him on my soundboard, which is from the time he uh voice acted a non-binary person in uh oh god. What what was what was the terrible Twitterbased comedy animated show they did? The the new norm.
>> I I don't understand. You're black.
direct response to Stefan Malu >> groups of ideas. I love that. Um but yeah, just wanted to talk right now specifically about the difference between progressive values and the MAGA coalition.
>> Sure.
>> It seems to me that all of the ills that are attributed to wokeism are typically things that people find annoying. So people being overly, you know, policy about their pronoun usage or or talking about specific groups that might seem extremely marginalized. That's what I typically hear from the right. I don't hear like a degradation of like society unless it's the far theocratic right.
And I don't think that you ascribe to that. Would you call yourself a theocrat?
>> I mean, I wrote the best-selling book on classical liberalism. So, it's funny. I get called a conservative all the time.
I I actually happen to be >> The name of this video is literally one MAGA Republican versus 24 left Democrats.
Uh people call me a conservative, but uh I'm not really sure uh how they do that.
Uh anyway, my name is Dave Rupin and I love Donald Trump.
>> A liberal in the truest sense in the truest sense of liberal unfortunate and well progressives are not liberal as a general thought. Yeah.
>> Yeah. For me, I just feel like that >> I'm Dave Rubin. I'm holding the light against the uh the the far-left progressive scourge. That's right. I'm a better Democrat than any of you here. My name's Dave Rubin. type of like annoyance that wokeism presents to the world is a lot less dangerous than like I don't know the coalition that you're a part of that like condemns people for having children when they're in gay marriages or says things like you know people that are of particular sexual orientations don't deserve the same equal rights would you say that that's something that's >> well a coalition is going to have all sorts of people in it so MAGA if we were talking about >> ideological diversity >> yeah if we were talking about what MAGA is what I like about MAGA actually is that it's not a specific set of you have to believe this exact set, right? You have to believe these exact >> set. Some people in MAGA can believe like gay couples can have kids and others can believe like that's degeneracy and those people need to be jailed. Those are like the difference of ideas.
>> Well, actually the tough answer to that is yes.
>> Just as uh in case people don't know, Dave Rubin is gay and has children with his husband.
>> Yes. As long as you're not trying to litigate someone's life. I am around a lot of conservatives all the time and particularly uh Christian conservatives, let's say. They generally are not for gay marriage. By the way, there's not one mosque in the United States that performs gay marriages, which is worth noting.
>> Why are you so focused on Muslims today?
>> Why I'm just I'm just giving you I'm just giving you a fact. Um but what I have found >> I'm just giving you a a fact out of the blue for no reason. That's what that's how debate works >> consistently. You know, Donald Trump was the first incoming firsttime president that was for gay marriage.
>> Barack Barack Obama was not for gay marriage when he first came in.
>> No, actually that's not true. There there are ones in California that do.
That's wonderful.
>> So, what I would say is the MAGA movement. I mean, look, Scott Besson, who's the Treasury Secretary, is married to a man and has kids. Peter Teal is married to a man and has kids. Douglas Murray's one of the greatest voices we have in conservatism, happens to be gay.
Um, I I don't think for the most part people on the right actually believe in individual rights and don't really care.
But that doesn't mean though that doesn't mean that everyone has to have the same religious perspective on everything.
>> But but you've been around the block for a long time and just like you alluded to in 2016, Trump held up a flag that said LGBTQ for Trump. He was asked in a CBS interview, would you let Caitlyn Jenner use the bathroom that she wants to in your hotels? He said absolutely. He didn't have a problem.
>> He gave the He actually gave a better answer than that. He said, I'm a hotel builder. If you told me I had to build one bathroom, that would be fine with me. I think it's a great answer.
>> But that's what's crazy is that evolution has changed so much to the current MAGA movement. The MAGA movement Donald Trump would absolutely not say that somebody could use the bathroom aligned with their gender identity. He spec specifically banned that. And not just that, but he's also just called for uh he specifically wrote an executive order that classifies far-left groups like protransgender groups.
I'm feeling a little uh feeling a little called out, feeling a little uh targeted right now. Can't imagine how Dave Rubin feels. I I'm I'm sympathizing with him.
It's disgusting >> as a danger to the country, which often the the entire military can go after.
That is insane. That is absolutely a violation of people's individual. On May 6th, 2026, the White House released its new US counterterrorism strategy, which explicitly names violent left-wing extremists, including anarchists and anti-fascists such as Antifa and radically protransgender groups as security threats alongside cartels and Islamist terror groups. That's right, folks. If you're too radically protr, you might be a terrorist. But uh it it it's the it's wokeism that's gone too far. It's wokeism that's gone too far.
Not, you know, the ever grasping arm of an authoritarian state. No, no, no.
It's trans people wanting to use the bathroom. That's going too far. It's crazy. And the the argument against trans people, I just don't like their vibes. that that like that genuinely for conservatives, they don't have a good reason to hate trans people. None of them do. It's all just vibes.
It's why like every single stream I do, I get like a deluge of conservatives constantly telling me that I'm not a real woman or I'll never be a real woman or whatever because it's all just vibes. They don't have arguments. They're not actually trying to make any points. They're just going off of vibes and they want to ruin my vibes and our vibes in the process, right? They want to be vibe dominant, never realizing, of course, that they're all uh vibe submissives.
I know this because I just blocked them from the chat.
And that steams their hides.
They don't want their kids to see trans people are an option. That's their reason. They want the 1% of kids they have that are trans to have zero idea.
They are uh they are so they are so they suffer quietly and never transition. I mean that's probably part of it, right?
But also like trans people exist, you know, like we're cute and we're hot and we exist out in the world and like eventually they're going to figure it out. I don't know. I I feel like I feel like conservatives that react this way against the existence of a reality that they don't like essentially are just at best kicking the can further down the road, but eventually their kid is just going to hate them and not visit them anymore. You know, like that's that's all you're really setting yourself up for is misery for your own self and misery for your children. And like that just seems like a terrible decision to make, right? Like I don't know. Seems seems like a bad idea. A lot of nasty rude people in chat tonight. That's vertical chat, baby. Right.
>> All right. So, you want to talk about the trans issue sort of broadly. I said >> I just I want to talk about the MAGA coalition individual liberty yet wants to police the way that people express what are they doing that also wants to police people's bodies that want to go after >> Well, that's it. Oh my god. You You nailed it.
>> Catali, you nailed it. They see it as zombie rules. can't get bit by the trans bug. That's literally it conservatives have bought into. And this was popularized, by the way, in in the US around like the, you know, queer rights movement of like the 60s and 70s and 80s and 90s, right? Which is the idea that conservatives pushed that this was a social contagion. Now, that might sound familiar to folks who've been paying attention to uh Republican arguments over the last several years, right? Which is essentially gay and trans stuff acts as a social contagion. Uh this is why they think like drag queens reading books to children or like a trans character in a children's television show. This is why they react so negatively against that because they view it as a vector for infection. They view it as uh something that could make their children sick. And I find it fascinating that they apply this to LGBTQ stuff but not to actual infectious diseases that they are getting infected with at a far higher rate because none of them believe in vaccination anymore. Right?
So they think of it like a gateway. Yes.
But I want you all to understand this is all a very old phenomenon. The idea of social contagion goes back to Nazi Germany. It was part of the fascist underbelly and undercurrent of it. And it comes out of the eugenics beliefs, right? Which again, if you start following that thread back, it kind of brings you back to America. So, we kind of keep coming back home here in America with this idea, right?
And that idea is essentially that um if someone is gay, well that means they can't they can't have children. They can't have biological children. They can't procreate, you know, the normal way. And if somebody is trans, they also might not be able to procreate the normal way, right?
And for conservatives, that deviation is viewed as an an unacceptable violation of eugenics ideas. And most conservatives wouldn't put it in that way, but that's really what it comes down to. And so when you have that type of eugenicist belief and it meets fascism, what happens is an authoritarian uh spin on that eugenicist belief which is essentially we need to take the gays out of the population otherwise they are going to infect the rest of the population. They're all going to become gay and then our people will die out.
Right? And this is also part of the reason why you also in the modern era have this uh rising up of this belief in great replacement. You know, it's and the uh concern over birth rates, you know, and it's also creepy and weird because it comes from that fascist eugenicist place.
And Peace Earth writes, "Social contagion theory is part of the Nazi slaughter of the disabled." Exactly.
Yes. from early on. Check out book Nazi Slaughter of the Disabled. Yep, you are correct. It's scary to conservatives on several different levels.
And that's why they are just so virulently anti-trans, anti-LGBTQ, etc. So, I find it fascinating to watch this uh this interplay for people specifically because their ethnicity.
None of that should >> Okay, so Donald Trump is in the middle of his second term. Gay marriage is here. It's passed. It's a just cause. I believe in individual.
>> Wait, you're friends of Michael Nolles, right?
>> M. Yeah.
>> Yeah. So, what what's that coalition again called? I think it's like Less Equal that's trying to actually get rid of Oberafel and overturn gay marriage rights. Does that not concern you?
>> I've Well, first off, I've never heard of that specific organization, but what I can tell you, >> you're friends with them.
>> Michael is part of I don't I just don't know what you're talking about. But what I would look up right now less than and it's Llaya Rose, Michael Mo. I think it's uh what's that guy's name at the Daily? The head one. Okay, but that that's not Donald Trump. I understand they want to go away from this.
>> No, no, no. That's not Donald Trump.
That's not the head of the party. I have friends that f Well, first off, Michael and I are friends, but there is a cap on our friendship. There actually is.
>> I'm friends with someone who doesn't want you to be in love with my man.
>> He He doesn't want me to be in love.
He's had dinner at my house with his wife. My husband cooked for him.
>> That's a >> Yeah. Look, there's no way a bigot could ever be bigoted against their uh friends.
It's not like uh a bigot might have an idea that Dave is one of the good ones and individually find him palatable as a useful stoogge for their ideological movement. But like Dave can't even conceive of a world in which Michael Nolles would succeed and remove Dave's ability to marry his husband. Like that's that's pretty pathetic. It's pretty pathetic to just live a world in in a world where you just think people say things and it has no relation to reality, you know, and that's effectively the world that Dave Rubin has built for himself. He just says things and there's no real world implication for that. And he believes that of his friends. You know, it's similar in my mind to what happens in Washington DC, right? You have lawmakers uh on the left and the right who go and they argue against each other on the floor of the Senate or or the House of Representatives and they they will uh wheel and deal. They will try they will fight tooth and nail politically and then at the end of the day they all go and have drinks together. You know, now to be fair, I my understanding is that that has dropped off in recent years, but it's still, especially among older members of Congress, a pretty common thing to have friends uh that are explicitly bigoted in their aims because at a certain point for the people who are in this all day, every day in the weeds of politics and policy, like it stops being as real I think to a lot of them >> against God. So I want to have but no no but think about think about what you're saying. I get no no think about what I saying your name. Wait wait wait wait wait wait hold on champ hold on champ.
You know in your in your world of how tolerant you are showing me you are you're actually showing a remarkable amount of intolerance because although I don't know the group that you're talking about Michael Nolles as a human being has been to my house and my husband has cooked him lamb and we have enjoyed evenings together and shared personal moments and all of those things. Now, do we agree on absolutely everything? Of course, the answer to that is no. And if Michael was le Michael or anyone else was trying to lead some organization that was going to go against my civil rights, well, that is where obviously we would have our difference of opinion. Of course, I also like quite quite literally. This is an article from 2024.
Michael Nolles claims LGBTQ plus people have pretend families with queer parents not fit to raise a child. On Wednesday's episode of the Michael Nolles show, he argued that same-sex couples are unfit to raise children, calling their families pretend and claiming they undermine traditional family values.
During his podcast, Nolles referenced a 2022 comment by controversial uni University of uh Pennsylvania law professor Amy Wax, who said that gay couples are not fit to raise children.
Quote, that's just obviously true.
Nol said in agreement with Wax, adding that because same-sex couples cannot biologically produce a child together, they are inherently unqualified to parent. And he further criticized LGBTQ families who use assisted reproductive technologies such as surrogacy and in vitro fertilization, arguing that these couples are pretending to be legitimate parents. That would be uh Dave Rubin's great friend he keeps uh cooking for.
What about adoption? Well, in Michael Null's world, uh you got to have a mommy and a daddy, but you know, they they have to be opposite genders.
Or I guess opposite sexes.
Maybe it's okay if they're like the same gender, but they are opposite sex.
Whatever. It He hates trans people and gay people. It doesn't matter. It It doesn't have to be ideologically consistent because no bigot is.
>> But I also But I also respect But I also respect people's religious beliefs.
They're allowed to have their religious beliefs. They're ri >> Yeah. No one's saying Michael Nolles isn't allowed to religiously hate you.
No one's saying that. But what they are saying, Dave, is that you are eating and aiding the political movement that seeks to strip you of the rights you have enjoyed with your husband and to be parents to your children.
God, >> religious beliefs are not allowed to legislate my life. This is all very separate from the trans thing, which obviously I sense is going to come up a few more times.
>> I'll just say real quick, like I'm not trying to come after you. I believe that you should have the full liberty to have the family of your choice. But what I will say is I'm glad Michael treats you with respect individually when you guys are together. But when he goes in front of his platform and says that a video of two gay men having a child is the most disgusting thing that he's ever seen, which is a quote. You can look up the tweet. Michael said that that child is in one of the most dangerous situations he can think of, which is crazy to think of all the abusive parents that actually live in this society regardless of sexual orientation. And you're gonna look at a happy family. Ah.
On April 16th, 2026, Michael Doss posted on X that a clip of two gay men in Nashville with the baby they had via SGY was the most horrifying video I've ever seen in my life. On April 17th, 2026, he released a YouTube video about the couple titled, "This is the most horrifying video Michael Doss has ever seen." Yeah. Also, he's been consistent about that. He's been consistent about this idea for years.
like this isn't new information and say this is disgusting. That should feel like a violation.
>> Okay. So, I didn't see that video, but if what you're asking me is if do I agree with if let's just say what you said is true.
>> Like I'm I'm sorry, but like I'm not inviting anybody into my home who thinks that like me having a partner and us being gay together is unacceptable. I'm not inviting someone like that into my home because I have something called self-respect.
I either either Michael Nolles is just full of [ __ ] and Dave Ro Dave Rubin secretly knows this and is willing to tolerate uh Michael Nolles in his home because he's like, "Well, he didn't really mean it." Or Dave Rubin lacks any and all selfrespect.
And honestly, might be a little bit of calm A and a little bit of calm B.
Do I agree with Michael's uh point on that? Of course, the answer is no.
No, no, no. No, no, no. That is the ideology. That's not the No, that's some have their first.
>> Oh god. Oh god.
Sorry. That was Legends of Adventurous in another tab. You should all check it out. Anyway, not not a sponsorship, just a technical difficulty. Uh the issue here is that like the Republican platform is explicitly anti-gay marriage. It was part of project 2025.
I I don't know what to tell you. Like the states are still pushing the states are still pushing a repeal of a burger. And regardless of what Donald Trump says or like what the Republican like platform is officially, they are moving to try and overturn Oberafel, Ober Oberfel v. Hajes is the only reason you have gay marriage right now and they're trying to undo it. Dave knows this unless he's a complete and utter [ __ ] And I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he does know this and is just disgustingly throwing himself and everyone like him under the bus.
>> Fun fact, Dave Rubin is so bad that he started my drift out of the right-wing pipeline. I remember watching his show in 2015 and thinking, "Wow, his interviews are awful and he asks no questions."
>> What? You you didn't you didn't like it when Dave Rubin was uh suckered into becoming a conservative by uh Larry Elder. You you didn't you didn't care for that episode of Dave Rubin's show.
Are they just self-haters? I don't think Dave Rubin is a self-hater. I think Dave Rubin saw an enormous pile of money waiting to be made and thought to himself, I'mma get that bag. Like I think he probably does hate himself for sure. But uh I do think he's doing it very specifically for the money.
>> Not the coal. No, that's not the coalition. That's what the administration is.
>> You're taking a very specific person and you're saying, >> is it a small specific? Absolutely. Yes.
No, it is not. Yes. Oh, it is. I go No, that's completely absurd. That's completely absurd. That's completely absurd.
>> We got to pause there. You've been voted out by the majority. Please return to your seat.
Just out of curiosity, what is the gay marriage support uh among conservatives?
Let's take a look at a Gallup poll from 2025.
We have a do we have do we have good uh data here? Here we go.
Americans views of the moral acceptability of samesex relations. So, as you can see here, uh, as a median, 64% of US adults find it acceptable for people to be gay. Uh, 69% of independents, nice. And 86% of Democrats think it's fine to be gay. Whereas 38% of Republicans think it's not fine to be gay, or sorry, rather 38% think it's okay to be gay. meaning that a solid 62% of Republicans hate gay people.
Wow. It's it's so it's so strange. Here you can see support going up and going up and going up and then suddenly Republicans found a wedge issue in 2022 around trans kids in sports and boom boom boom. Yeah, it's it's weird. It's weird how that goes.
But uh Dave, I think you might be uh you might be surrounded by some not great people here, Dave.
>> Good grab.
>> I want to go to your prompt in a second, but I just wanted to address. So I actually come from a Christian background.
>> Is incest. Okay. No.
>> I spend a lot of my career debating Christian nationalists and even the nicest Christian nationalists, they do want to take your rights. I I spend a lot of time talking to these people, even the really nice ones. So I just want to be careful. And I guess I want to say like I remember when you posted about having your kids Yeah.
>> on Twitter, which congratulations your kids.
>> Um the comments were horrifying. I don't know if you remember, but it was >> Christian nationalists and Republicans tearing you and your husband down for having a child.
>> Well, you should also know there was a lot of love. There was an awful lot of love from an awful lot of conservatives and liberals.
>> Yeah. Where was that hate coming from though?
>> And people across the board and everything else. the the way the internet operates is people only focus on the negative. So was there a whole bunch of nasty side?
>> Was there a whole bunch of nasty >> guess? Let's be honest. Let's just be honest. Which side of >> that if you're asking me about for that specific post it was no for that specific post it was mostly people on the right. For sure it was >> who were attacking you.
>> Yeah. I I fully >> Yeah. What? Why is that Dave? Why Why might they be attacking you for being gay, Dave?
is if it's not as part of the MAGA coalition, if that's not a core component there, why is it so accepted for those bigots to find a home there?
>> That absolutely 99% of the hate that I get is from people that are in this circle.
>> It's definitely not for being gay. What?
No. No. For supporting no, it's for supporting.
>> It's not for being gay like the actoritarian desiring.
Yeah, conservatives are upset at you for the act and ongoing state of being of being gay. Yeah, >> probably demented old man. So, going back to the prompt of wokeism, it seems like you defined it as intersectionality.
Um, some collectivization based on >> Oh, true, Liz Gallah. Very excellent distinction. A huge difference between nice and good or loving. Backstabbers love being polite and nice because it makes things easy for them. Exactly.
And Dave is kind of like that, right?
Like Dave here is essentially trying to act as like a the last true liberal, you know, like that's kind of been his brand, which is obviously died completely here because he's just going on a show as a MAGA Republican. But like he's basically trying to say, "No, no, no, no. It's okay. Michael Nolles is nice to me.
There's no way he would be a bad guy if he's nice, right? Like, and he's trying to do the same thing.
He's like, I'm just a swell nice guy.
Why, how could I be perp perpetrating a bigoted movement? I'm just a little birthday boy.
>> You take Yeah. Yeah. We could basically >> So, wokeism is intersectionality.
>> It is a p Well, inter intersectionality is a piece of wokeism. If you're going to group people on these immut >> intersectionality is a piece of wokeism recognizing that things are connected is woke to Dave Rubin. People on the left criticize Dave for being a liar and a grifter and he calls it hate. Yeah. No, it's just an accurate diagnosis. Like a doctor doesn't hate you because he like like let me put it this way. If a doctor diagnoses you with cancer, it's not because he hates you. It's it's becau it's because you have a [ __ ] tumor growing in your brain >> characteristics and then you decide based on this we got to put black people up here we've got to put white guys down here gays are going to be of the straits trans will be up above the gays you know you have this endless hierarchy >> policy harms have happened >> I mean quite literally the easiest one would be college admissions I mean we >> Donald Trump might be crashing the economy with an endless sea of tariffs starting wars across across the world that we had no reason to start. Uh causing international catastrophes by uh suddenly cutting off like a sizable portion of the world's oil, sewing discord domestically with uh men in masks, kidnapping Americans out of their homes.
But uh you know on the other hand when it came to being woke college college admissions were a real [ __ ] So you know on the one on the one hand untold amounts of economic turmoil and like geopolitical uh destabilization and thousands upon thousands of dead bodies. And on the other hand, you know, college admissions were kind of rough for some people.
know that Harvard and other colleges were discriminating against mostly white and Asian students because they were they're they wanted more diversity and they were allowing students of color with lesser grades to get in. I as a general rule I >> worried about universities who's cutting th >> This by the way is not accurate just as an FYI. Essentially, folks, white women and white men heavily benefited from DEI programs. So, if your entire thing was, well, DEI discriminated against white men and white women, it made it easier for them to get into college. DEI programs were heavily utilized by white men and white women. Not exclusively, but it was heavily utilized. Right. It is genuinely baffling to me. Yeah. Here is an article from 2025.
DEI programs are designed to help white people, too. Here's how. This is by Lisa Bondant, associate professor of secondary math education, Mississippi State University, and Bana Jameson, instructor of special education, Mississippi State University.
And uh let's take a look here. Broadly speaking, a large majority of people within most racial and ethnic groups receive some kind of federal funding, some of which is connected to DEI programs. That includes 81% of black students, 74% of American Indian/ Alaskan native students, 72% of Hispanic or Latino students, 70% of white students, and 66% of Asian students.
According to a 2023 report on the NA from the National Center for Education Statistics based on data during the 2019 to 2020 academic year, the cent's data does not indicate whether those programs were explicitly designated for DEI initiatives. For example, PEL grants are need-based, not explicitly DEI. That said, DEI initiatives encompass a broad range of programs that support various underrepresented groups, including first generation college students and students with disabilities. They often benefit women and veterans. Each of these groups invariably include many white students.
First generation students in particular.
At most universities, a portion of DEI funding is dedicated to programs designed to support the success of first generation students or students whose parents did not graduate from college.
DEI initiative in initiatives enhance first generation ac uh students academic success by addressing their unique challenges such as financial constraints, cultural adjustments and unfamiliarity with college environments.
They do this through tailored support programs including learning communities, inclusive learning communities, and mentorship opportunities.
National data shows that 56% of college students are first generation attendees and white students represent 46% of that group more than any other single race.
I guess Dave is racist against white people now.
Taking away uh the tools that was that that that were helping white people succeed in academia. It's very racist of you, Dave.
>> They're funding. Do you agree? Do you agree? Do you agree that that happened?
>> Uh to some degree. I think it was overblown to a large degree. The code of action basically ended I think in the early 2000s, right? A lot of these issues were clamped down on pretty >> in Students for Fair Admissions versus Harvard decided June 2023. The Supreme Court held Harvard's admissions program violated the equal protections clause via title six and empirical work arcto at all Asian-American discrimination in Harvard admissions finds typical Asian app applicants were held to higher standards than received lower personal ratings than similarly qualified peers.
quickly. And the issue is that when you look at the reason why >> corporate I mean you could look at corporations. I mean all these corporations that have their DEI stickers. I was just on a Delta flight.
They still have their DEI sticker on there.
>> DEI is not inherently a bad thing. Why would diversity ever be a problem for anyone?
>> Well, diversity in and of it >> Well, uh, did you know that some companies still have stickers? And those stickers are direct assault on my freedom. When I see a sticker, I feel less free. I feel like I'm in a cage of my own emotions. Do you understand? Do you do you understand how devastating it is to see a sticker staring you in the face, letting you know that there are values like diversity out there, inclusion and equity? Do you know what that spells? It spells die. Okay, that's a highle idea I was I've been workshopping. Okay, that's that's a thing. That's a thing. It's a highle idea that I've been working on. Die instead of DEI. itself is not a problem.
But if you say we are going to we are going to hire people and we are going to factor in all of these immutable characteristics inherently by saying we're going to elevate >> stickers are literally the definition of communism. Absolutely.
I mean do you know this is true? This is true. The Russians under Stalin invented scratch and sniff stickers as a means of undermining capital.
That isn't true. But it would be funny if it was >> one group of people, you are going to have to discriminate against another group that actually is racism.
>> Do you have a big unique experience based on your gayness that other people will never have?
>> I'm sorry.
>> Does your gayness give you insight into certain experiences that other people simply will not have because they're not gay?
>> Well, I suppose as a gay person, I do have experiences that some people don't.
Dave Dave can't resist trying to make a joke out of the fact that he's gay and inadvertently is directly proving her point.
>> Don't have >> and you probably have knowledge and experience. I did get the >> Oh, no.
Did you Did you get the joke, though?
Hey chat, did you get the joke?
Chat, did you get it? Did you get it?
>> Did you get it?
>> You got that?
>> I mean, lots of people do. All causes crazy sex.
>> But the issue is that what we're talking about here when we come to diversity, >> but I wouldn't want that anything I wouldn't want that to have anything to do with me being hot.
>> I didn't get it. He was talking about butt stuff. He's talking about sex.
>> I heard.
>> Sure. But it's really hard to compare.
So sir, let's say I grant you all of the woke harms. The issue is that it didn't take us to Iran. It didn't kill school girls. It didn't uh right now crush with the FCC and kick multiple people off of uh off of air and threaten to pull things. It's not burning books in Florida.
>> Who's been kicked off air?
>> Jamie Kimmel got kicked off of air. ABC is regularly under threat for uh doing these things. The FCC president ABC president came out after that type of things. They crushed James Terico. This has happened over and over again. They crush James Terico. James Terico is the nominee right now.
>> They crushed his appearance.
>> What do you mean they crushed his >> FCC wouldn't allow his appearance? I >> I don't know what you're talking about.
I have literally no idea what you're talking about.
>> Fact check. James Telerico's Co Bear interview is pulled from CBS's broadcast not because the FCC outright banned it, but because CBS's lawyers citing the Trump FCC stricter equal time guidance for political candidates advised that area could trigger equal time obligations to the show ran the interview only on YouTube, which is technically true, but also like, yeah, if the government steps in and basically says, "We're going to make you putting out that interview ownerous financially and logistically upon you.
That's the government censoring speech.
>> Pause there.
>> I think you were talking about Cold Bear's show, but um you've been voted out by the majority.
>> Okay.
>> You guys are slow, bro. How's it going, dude?
>> Quick. How you doing? How you doing?
>> So, I just quickly wanted to recognize I love this by the way. You have a very unconventional household and wokeism has brought you that household, right? to be have to live with your husband, to have your two children were conceived through surrogacy. And I appreciate that.
>> Wokeism didn't bring that equal rights.
Equal rights wokeism, >> but you you said earlier, wait, maybe this is the part where he says it. Wait a minute.
>> As I define it, as I view it personally, is looking to expand on already existing um civil liberties, right? To ensure that Hold on. To ensure America practices what it preaches, equal protections, inclusion of everybody, democracy, etc. Kimble simply was losing my money. Hey, look everybody. We got Mr. ABC over in vertical chat. Hit him up for all your entrepreneurial loans.
So, it's not a policy prescription. It's a social prescription. Donald Trump is president. He's the head of the executive branch. He has a trifecta, a judiciary that's on his side. Donald Trump's violent. Donald Trump's destroying the pillars of America: democracy, negative rights, the rule of law, our constitution. And the list goes on and on. So, I'm just curious to see what institutional damage has wokeism done. And >> if you want to engage with Trump being violent, be nice.
>> Yeah. Well, I mean, I just don't agree with anything you said.
>> I just Huh. Well, you see, I just uh you you you have uh presented with me with a very inconvenient reality and I will uh respond uh with an intellectual repost in order to uh let you know that you are just incorrect because it's inconvenient to be my views if you are correct >> there. Period. First off, wokeism wokeism isn't what led to say gay marriage. What led to gay marriage is a fight for equality under the law. If you believe that heterosexual marriage, that an adult should be able to engage in any sort of contract within another adult, then that has to be equal. That's what equal protection, which you just mentioned, is actually what the decision was based on. Yes. So, that was not wokeism. That was the promise of America, which is the promise of individual rights and equal opportunity.
Uh, as for a few of the other things that you said there again, I mean, if we could do the you want to do the Iran thing again.
>> No, I said Donald Trump is violent.
>> Yeah. So, Donald Trump is violent in what sense?
>> Yeah. So, I also want to mention you the reason why you left the left, correct me if I'm wrong, is because you believe progressives were turning to authoritarianism. Am I >> What is his accent? I I don't know. I don't know. I What is crazy to me? We I I think in order to just as an FYI, in order for us to like get through this and keep our sanity, I think that we are going to cut off at the end of each of uh David's claims.
Right. So Dave Rubin is going to like we're going to run through that and be done because we've already spent so much time on this segment laboriously going through it all and I don't think we can spend another six hours breaking this all down. At a certain point I have to defer to more watchable content.
Um so let's uh let's finish this up.
Okay.
>> Am I correct there? I mean, there was >> that was your preview video. You said you can't deny it.
>> Settle down, Jeff. There there was a panopoly of reasons that I did that.
>> That's one of them, correct? Yeah.
>> Do you think it's authoritarian for the president of the United States to call for the death of six active members of the legislature for making a video that is totally fine and legal?
>> It's interesting. Oh, well, first off, you're talking about the video where they basically Mark Kelly and several of these guys were basically saying if you're in the military, you can uh you can go against, you know, Trump and all those things.
Dave is trying to buy himself desperately more time.
>> Whoopsie.
>> Well, first off, there are some legal actual reasons that perhaps you should not as a former member of the military be telling >> the punishment for making videos is death. I forgot.
>> I'm sorry. Did anyone hang on? George Washington would anyone get put to death? Did it matter president of the United States?
>> Whoa, whoa, whoa. We don't know what they what George Washington would have said. Okay. Don't dis don't bismerch the name above all names that Republicans revere. All right.
Obviously, instead we would go to Glenn Beck's George Washington uh necro technology uh device and consult it. His George Washington oracle painstakingly recreated uh with an AI faximile of George Washington. That's the real George Washington. Now he is your new god and long live and and long may he reign in the uh floating city above us all. Named not rapture. [ __ ] I forgot. I forgot I forgot what the name of the city was in Bioshock Infinite. Damn it.
>> Is actively calling for the death of members of the legislature.
>> Is anyone in trouble? Is anyone in trouble with this?
>> No, you're missing the difference.
You're saying Donald Trump No, hold on.
Let's just understand the prompt here.
You said wokeism has done more damage than Donald Trump ever did. Can you tell me a single time wokeism is doing something remotely similar?
>> So remotely slimmer here as Donald Trump being slightly fantastic.
>> I can give you damage.
>> Let me >> guys, you don't understand. The president look all right. Donald Trump has a long history of being slightly sarcastic.
Okay. All right. He has a long and storied history of uh being slightly sarcastic. Let's uh let's take, you know, let's just take a a quick gander here at another time that Donald Trump was slightly sarcastic. Uh and that in particular is uh this uh full page ad from uh run in the New York Times. Uh bring back the death penalty. Bring back our police in which he advocates for the execution of five children. Such a jokester. That one. You guys couldn't pick up his slight amount of sarcasm, but I could because I'm built different.
>> Explain something.
>> I can give you the damage. Hold on.
>> Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Listen. Let me explain something to you. Donald Trump, all you need to know about for anyone of you guys that think that Donald Trump's coming for you because you're gay or you're trans or something.
>> Oh, it was Colombia. Thank you, Dalis Spartis. The name of the city in Bioshock Infinite. It's It's Colombia >> like that. Or you're black or anything else. Might I recommend you just read Art of the Deal, which Donald Trump wrote about 40 years ago.
>> It's terrible. He's just discussing his activities.
>> But you can you can dismiss it. You can dismiss it. But Donald Trump gave you his playbook 40 plus years ago. 40 plus years ago, he gave you the playbook on how he negotiates. He leads with >> This is irrelevant to what I'm currently talking about, right?
>> No, it's completely You asked me about damage. I can give you examples, but you don't want them because you know you're going to get fried.
>> No, no, no. That is the truth. Donald Trump tried to >> Guys, you don't understand. When when Donald Trump wrote, "What has happened to our city over the past 10 years? What has happened to law and order? To the neighborhood cop we all trusted to safeguard our homes and families, the cop who had the power under the law to help us in times of danger, keep us safe from those who would prey on innocent lives, to fulfill some distorted inner need. What has happened to the respect for authority, the fear of retribution by the courts, society, at the police, for those who break the law, who wantly trespass on the rights of others? What has happened in the complete is the complete breakdown of life as we knew it. You know, classic jokes. It's a classic joke. You would know it if you read Art of the Deal. He's such a jokester. He likes his japes.
He's just a little imp. Rewrite the Constitution via Executive Order with Executive Order 14160. And it was followed up by >> Oh, yeah. Also, it goes without saying Donald Trump has never written any of the books attributed to him. He has ghost writers.
>> 141601 where they use this to target individuals for pro Palestinian speech like Mahmud Khal. And this was already ruled upon by the way. I'm sure you know about this, correct?
>> Okay.
>> But he tried to rewrite the constitution be executive order. Can the president do that?
>> There is a difference. Can the president do that? Hold on. There is a difference.
You don't you don't understand, David.
It was just a really good joke. When Donald Trump was saying, "I'm going to rewrite the Constitution via executive order." That was just a really funny joke. It like when he said it in in the situation room, everybody laughed. It was just a good ga.
You're being too serious, David.
>> Exercising free speech. There's a difference between exercising free speech and closing down a campus and not letting students get >> fact check. Executive orders 14160 and 141601 are not orders tried to rewrite the constitution to target pro Palestinian speech. 14160 is a birthright citizenship order and 141601 doesn't exist. The Trump administration instead used executive order 13899 uh in 20209 and sorry 2019 and executive order 14188 2025 both build as comi com combating anti-semitism to justify investigations visa cancellations and deportation efforts against pro Palestinian campus activists including cite citing executive order 14188 in connection with the arrest of Colombia graduate Babu Khalil. Checkmate liberals.
>> You're an interesting character. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, you seem nice. Um there's a difference between exercising free speech, which I will always defend your free speech no matter how noxious it is, and closing and closing down campuses. No, they weren't. No. Mm Khalil and all of these masks with no cause. And it's literally in the in the documents of the case.
>> Well, first off, Marco Rubio has illustrated the point many many times.
If you're here on a green card or a student visa or anything else, you don't you don't have the exact >> exact same protections that >> Yeah. That's kind of a problem though, right? Like why would anyone come here if they didn't feel like their rights were going to be respected? Why why would any international traveler trust their treatment at the hands of this system?
>> You don't. You don't.
>> Congress shall make no law what?
>> No.
>> For people for people that are citizens of the United States of What's the president? Wait a minute.
Wait, wait a minute. Nothing. So, Donald Trump tried to sign an executive order rewriting the birthright citizenship clause of the 14th amendment. Where do you get this power?
>> Let me ask you something. Do you >> Is it Is it authoritarian? Act on a self-granted authority. Hold on. Can you answer my question? You're not going to let me chat here for a sec. Listen, listen. Dave, >> let me ask you something. Let's try it this way. So, let's say you and your girlfriend went on vacation. Bora Bora.
show up to most beautiful place on earth and she's 7 months pregnant and she then gives birth in Bora Bora. You think your child should be a citizen of French Polynesia Bora Bora?
>> Is that what the constitution of Bora Bora says? If their constitution says yes, then yeah, I don't know what to tell you, Dave.
Also, you're spending two months in in in Bora Bora. That's the Damn. What a what a great honeymoon.
affirms that just solely principle and I'm sorry the president cannot defy because he doesn't like that's how our country works that is an example of damage to America >> you can fight it in the courts you can fight it in the courts >> he doesn't like the courts he ignores them prior to the alien enemies act removals Emily >> we're out of time we got to stop there >> okay got you okay we we made it through it doesn't birthright the constitution doesn't safeguard your birthright citizenship status huh that's weird how did you become a citizen how did Like that's my that's my question, right?
Like if the constitution isn't what determined whether or not you are a citizen then like how did you become a citizen if not by being born here? Like it's not it's not difficult. I have brain damage now.
Yeah. Look, we made it only through part one, right? Th this is a multi-part endeavor. All right. He has in total three different four different claims and then uh personally does a little debateroo at the end. All right.
So I guess this will be a four-part series of us just going through each one because you know uh we deserve pain and suffering by virtue of existing in this world. All right.
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