I'm not a possession! An interview with PO SHAWDY RED!

[00:00:00]How the cut on my back cancels out the degrees on the wall. Like leather and compassion are enemies. Like grease under my nails means I can't hold someone together when their whole damn world falls apart. They look at me and they see a contradiction. But I look in the mirror and I see proof. Proof that you don't have to fit inside someone else's damn box just to be worthy of respect. See, Monday through Friday, I help people survive wars that nobody can see. the panic attacks, the addiction, the grief, the trauma, the nights where the loudest thing in the room is the silence. Then I get to climb on a bike, not to escape life to remember I'm still alive. Because the wind doesn't care what letters come after my name. The road doesn't care how many people I've counseledled. A motorcycle doesn't ask for your resume. It asks one question.

[00:00:57]Are you paying attention?

[00:01:01]Because the road is honest. It doesn't care about your followers, your paycheck, your politics, your excuses.

[00:01:08]It will expose your ego before the first 100 miles. It will humble you. It will strip you down until there's nothing left but your character. And that's why I ride. Because out there, nobody gives a damn about the mask you wear. Only whether you stand when it's time to stand. Only whether you'll own your mistakes. Only whether you'll keep your word. People think bikers are trying to look tough. No, no, no, no. Most of us have already survived the things that tried to break us. The motorcycle isn't the hard part. It's was surviving life before we ever twisted the throttle. So, don't tell me I can't be a counselor because I know what it sounds like to be broken.

[00:01:56]Don't tell me I can't be a teacher because the road has been one of the greatest classrooms I've ever known.

[00:02:04]Don't tell me I can't be a healer because healing doesn't happen in a chair across from me.

[00:02:14]Sometimes healing sounds like the engine firing in the daylight. Sometimes it smells like gasoline. Sometimes it looks like brothers and sisters who don't ask for your story before they make room for you around the fire. I didn't become less professional because I became a biker. I became more human because this lifestyle taught me something no textbook ever could. Life doesn't care about your titles. It cares about your backbone. So, judge the leather, judge the patches, judge the boots. But understand this, when the dust settles, the degrees, the leather, the titles, and the opinions don't define a damn thing character does. And I'd rather be judged by the miles I've earned than the assumptions you've made.

[00:03:04]People ask me why I ride, why I'm part of this lifestyle. Like, >> [music] >> Heat. Heat.

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[00:04:24]Come on in [music] and welcome to tonight's episode of Riding with K Solo, the motorcycle podcast show. [music] Thank you for joining us tonight, man. I am excited. We got another great one lined up for you tonight, folks. We got another one lined up for you. So, as we get ready to get jump into it, that opening, man, that cold opening, man, I really appreciate her words. She is a true a true aator when it comes down to speaking this this this motorcycle culture, this lifestyle. Man, I'm I'm excited. I'm not even going to beat around the bush. We're just going to dive right into this thing. But before we get this thing started, folks, make sure that you like, share, comment, and subscribe to the channel. And to all of our members out there, to all of our members, you make this happen. And I want to thank you. I personally want to thank you. So listen, one other shout out we got to do. Hey man, we got to give a big old shout out to 1245 Designs 3D printing and designs, man. You know who it is. No other than Scuba Steve, man. Steve Tiller. Make sure you go check him out. Hit him up, man. 1 912341-7401.

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[00:05:59]I don't know what's going on with my producer back there. Uh, producer, you're killing me tonight, man. You're killing me. Oh, man. [laughter] >> I'm doing well. How are you doing tonight?

[00:06:10]>> I'm doing good. I'm doing good. I'm telling you, man. If if it's happening, if if it's happening, it's happening tonight. Uh I guess there's too many brooms out there sweeping uh on my feed.

[00:06:22]So, hey, man, we gonna make it happen.

[00:06:24]Nothing but love up in here. Nothing but love. Once again, I just want to send a shout out to Scuba Steve for uh supporting the channel, man. He's a official sponsor of the channel. He's going to be having some great um little trinkets that he's going to be making for the channel that we're going to be giving away. And that's what it's all about, man. Keeping this motorcycle culture going. Hey, man. Big shout out to Big Sarge. Just dropped us in a little change there for the bandwidth.

[00:06:48]Thank you, Big Sarge. There it is again, man. Make sure you go check out Big Sarge over there. Um, Sarge Life included, man. Hey, producer, can we give him a big old applause for retiring again, man? Get him one and let me hear it this time.

[00:07:08][cheering] >> [applause] >> Oh my goodness. Let me just go ahead and stop beating my gun because it's just not working night. What's going on Mark?

[00:07:19]So Shay, if you would please introduce yourself to the audience tonight.

[00:07:24]>> Absolutely. What's going on everyone? My name is Shotty Red and first off I'd like to say Ques Solo, thank you for having me on tonight. Um outside of set, I'm a single mom of four. I'm a licensed mental health counselor. I teach at university level and I'm working on my doctorate. So helping people has always been a huge part of who I am. Whether it's in the counseling office, in the classroom, or just having real conversations with people. But another huge part of my life is this motorcycle culture. I've been on set for a little over 10 years now. So I've had the opportunity to learn from some great people and see this lifestyle from different perspectives. My journey started on the 99 side as a property of who you w MC. Later I became a Sin City angel and today I'm a Sin City property and every step has taught me something different about protocol, respect, loyalty and what it really means to earn your place in this culture. So one thing about me is I wear a lot of different hats. People sometimes act like being a counselor, a professor, a mother, and a biker don't belong in the same sentence, but they absolutely do. Those words don't compete with each other. They actually make me better in each one. So today I'm here as Shotty Red. I'm here to talk about the culture, the psychology behind it, the misconceptions people have, and hopefully leave some PO folks with a better understanding of what this lifestyle really is and why so many of us love it.

[00:09:00]>> Yeah, indeed. That is awesome, man. And like you say, you're a professional and I definitely want to dive into that portion. How you balance all of that, man? Cuz I know the motorcycle coach can be demanding. It can it can it requires a lot from an individual uh both male and female. So without Yeah. Indeed.

[00:09:20]Indeed. And you're you're a mother. You you are a mother of four.

[00:09:24]>> Yeah, I am. They keep me on my toes.

[00:09:27][laughter] >> Okay. Uh introduce them uh if you would just kind of like let everybody know because I want to give everybody a shout out.

[00:09:35]>> Okay. So, we'll start over on the left.

[00:09:37]That's my son Xadrien. He is um 16. Um next to him is my daughter Storm. We call her Stormy Weather. Um she's nine.

[00:09:48]And next to her with the glasses on that is Zarya aka Bizzy and she is eight. And I have another one that's not on screen.

[00:09:58]Her name is Zia and she is 12.

[00:10:02]>> Okay. Okay. And so have any of them show interest in writing yet?

[00:10:06]>> Absolutely. My son is actually in the process of building an Ultra Classic, a 2005 Ultra Classic. Um, my daughter, Storm, she absolutely loves to be on the back of the bike. Um, so she's wanting to get her own bike. She's anxiously waiting for her to get her own set of wheels. And then my youngest daughter, she's already had her little miniature electric um set of two wheels, so she's slowly but surely coming up.

[00:10:34]>> Right. Right. Right. Okay. Okay. And there's all four of them right there, ladies and gentlemen. Hey, man. I'm telling you, the brooms were sweeping today. The grimmman was out there. But we're here and we're going to dive into this thing. So, you know, we had a previous episode uh with Ambush on another PO from another organization and she, you know, kind of walked us through and just kind of just, you know, introduce us to the lifestyle. But we want to peel back those layer of the onions on this episode. Uh, so my question, my first question that I have for you, Shter Red, is um what what does your organization consider a property of?

[00:11:10]>> A property of is either your old lady or a friend or a sister that you have. So there's there's two separate POS, but they're all a PO. So you have the POS, which have the old lady rockers, those are the wives, girlfriends, um you know, significant others, and then you have just a normal PO, which is what I am. um which is just a property of my brother is like a big brother to me my sponsor is and you know he's my mentor my confidant you know and he really looks out for me so being a PO under him has been a pleasure >> so so my question is uh and Ambush kind of uh embraced us with it did your PO choose you I mean did your sponsor choose you to be his PO did you approach him I mean is that something that you can talk about >> yeah I absolutely completely approached him and asked him if he would be willing to sponsor me. Um, I knew if his character, knew what type of person that he was, um, and he was somebody that I trusted. Um, and had always been good character, good leadership. So, I had sought him out, asked him if he was okay with it. He asked his wife to make sure she was okay with him taking another PO and off to the races we were.

[00:12:22]>> Okay. Okay. So, so he has a wife. So that's another character that we were talking about uh that that you know members can have wives and then have a PO and that's some of that misconception that people have. He's like that big brother to you oversee make sure that you're good to go in the culture.

[00:12:38]Correct.

[00:12:39]>> Absolutely. Absolutely. So one of the biggest misconceptions that people have is that that we are possessions, you know, or that we're all O ladies. And that's definitely not the case. At least not in my club, you know, with being a Sin City property, it's like being family, you know, it's like being part of a unit. So, I'm not I'm a guest in a man's world, if that makes sense. You know, before I came into this club or before I was invited into this club, the club already had motorcycle history, tradition, protocol, culture. I wasn't entitled to any of that. So having a sponsor is having somebody that can vouch for me, somebody that had to say she's with me. So even though I approached him, it was still an invitation and something that I don't take lightly.

[00:13:32]>> Okay. Okay. Now, you were uh appealed in I don't know if it was a predominantly white club or was it predominately white club?

[00:13:40]>> No, it was actually a predominantly black club.

[00:13:42]>> Okay. And and and another thing about it uh they were in 99.

[00:13:46]>> Yes, they were.

[00:13:47]>> Yeah. So, so that's new cuz cuz typically property of falls under outlaw and 1%. So I I mean did you dive into the history of that? Was that something that you know they had already been blessed in or or grandfathered in to be able to have?

[00:14:02]>> That was something that they had been grandfathered in to have. Um and it was it was a little different than being on the 1%. Um being with who you was a property of the guy that I was dating at that time. Um, and most of the properties of under that club were old ladies and wives and girlfriends unless you was a property of the club itself.

[00:14:26]Um, which was something different when you could actually ride and be a property of the club.

[00:14:31]>> Okay. Okay. Uh, ladies and gentlemen, you know, we talked about the different types of property. Uh, a property that rise, a property of a chapter or the nation, and a property of a sponsor. You are a property that rise. Correct.

[00:14:46]>> Yeah, I do ride my own. Um, well, I did ride my own until it went up in flames, but um, [laughter] you know, I ride my own a lot of the times when we're on group rides. I'm on my own bike. Um, this is Juicebox. She was my baby.

[00:15:00]>> Juice Box. What's up, Juice Box? That's like Nasty out there, man. Shout out to Nasty. Nasty bike is Juice Box. But go ahead. [laughter] >> Hey, you know, I I've I enjoy the group rides. You know, it's a different kind of experience. It's a different kind of thing. So, I've been riding my own since 2020 now.

[00:15:20]>> Okay.

[00:15:21]>> So, >> Okay. Okay. Uh, some of some of your your best rides as a PO.

[00:15:26]>> Um, I guess my best one would have been my first group ride when I was a Sin City Angel. We went to the Sin City Hog Roast. Um, and that was down in Jackson, Tennessee. Um, that was uh my first big ride that I had ever taken. And it was about 5 hours, which isn't nothing now, but you know, that was the major that was the most major ride that I had at that time. And it was really fun connecting with the women that I was riding with and getting that experience.

[00:15:53]>> Nice, nice, nice, man. Um I I've actually had the the pleasure of going to one of the pig roast that Si put on and had a great time. I know a lot of the guys over there in that organization. I'm a love for them. Now, we're gonna keep on this property up.

[00:16:08]the the the word property the word property for African-Americans it goes back to a time of slavery so it's looked as derogatory it's looked at not in favor of how is that how do you feel about that being the profession that you are with that that title >> you know I don't really people hear property and immediately think ownership or control or weakness and they assume that I'm somebody's possession. And again, >> I'm not. I'm a guest. And there's a difference. That invitation matters. So being a property of means someone with a name, reputation, and years invested in this culture is willing to stand beside me and say, "She's with me." And what with that comes protection. It also comes with responsibility. So my actions reflect on the person who invited me into the family. I carry myself accordingly. I respect protocol. I don't involve myself in club business that isn't mine. Um, I don't create drama for attention. I remember that I'm representing more than just myself. And protection isn't imprisonment. Respect isn't oppression. Accountability isn't abuse. And family isn't ownership. So when we ask why I follow protocol or why I am a property of the simple answer is because I respect the house that I was welcomed into. Every family has expectations.

[00:17:41]Every culture has traditions. Motorcycle clubs are no different. Being a property of has never made me feel smaller. It's made me feel more intentional. It taught me that real protection isn't about something or someone controlling your life. It's about knowing that if the road gets rough, you aren't standing alone. So, I don't feel like I'm a possession. I feel like being an invited guest is the important thing because I'm protected. I'm accountable. And most importantly, I'm family.

[00:18:11]>> Nice. Nice. Nice. That's that's that's awesome to hear. And you you are an educator and influencer. Um, you do a lot of you you have a lot of great posts on Facebook that you post and I'm showing you Instagram and and it's always positive, upbeat, and it's educational. And um, folks, if if you follow her, if you if you um know of her, you already know her get down and and what she'll be putting out there.

[00:18:34]So, when I when I said, man, who is Shorty Red? And I I kind of had something in my mind, but I said, I need to take it in a different direction and bring you on and give you your own episode. And we're going to dive into it. So historically um with with the with the property of in a club you have white females, black females, all nationality property ofs.

[00:19:00]How is how is how does that work within your organization? Is it is it just family or is it something where it's you know kind of just break that down for us?

[00:19:11]>> Absolutely. Absolutely. It is all one big family. sometimes a dysfunctional family, but we're all still family. Um, but with any family, not everybody that you call brother or sister, like not everybody that calls you bro or sis is your family. That doesn't automatically make it true. Um, you know, you do have to be careful out there because to me, brotherhood and sisterhood aren't titles you give. Um, >> and they aren't just relationships that happen because you took a picture together or sat at the same table once.

[00:19:45]Um, what makes the people in my club and my sisters, you know, my sisters is because we've built this together. You know, we've earned [clears throat] our titles. Anybody can be around when life is good. Anybody can laugh with you when everything's going your way. But the real question is is who's still standing beside you when life gets ugly. And who's checking on you when nobody else knows you're struggling? That's what makes a brother and a sister. And as a counselor, I see it all the time. You know, we want to belong and it's part of being human. Sometimes we want that sense of family so badly that we start handing out those titles before people have earned them. Um but and I had to learn the hard way, you know. So I had to learn who was my family and who wasn't. But once I did, like a I built an amazing family.

[00:20:36]>> There you go. And like I said, you walked the gauntlet of uh being a hangar around, then you were a sensitive angel uh and then you moved over to property of what is that difference between being in the angel if you can talk about it because I don't want to get into any club business, but that is a different portion or it's almost like a gradual um mo movement up or per se a different position.

[00:20:59]>> Um being an angel was a little bit different because we did have positions in the club. It was like being an in a MC, a riding club of our own. Um almost um because we had like the president, the vice president, secretary, treasurer, um all that. Um it was it was fun being an angel, but it was just an automatic transfer as to what was going to happen. Like I took a little bit longer than the rest um to become a property of because I wasn't sure I wanted to become property. I had to understand what property meant to Sin City first um before I went underneath them. Um and in that year I did a lot of exploring and a lot of contemplating um before coming back and being like, "Yeah, this is home. I want to come home." Um and then um ultimately became a property of >> Okay. Okay. And uh we're going to keep this thing rolling, folks. I just want to welcome everybody for joining us tonight. We got a bunch of people uh dropping in on YouTube. Thank you. Thank you very much for staying with us. Um, and I greatly appreciate you. I greatly appreciate you. So, uh, my guy DJ FX just dropped a comment and then we're going to get it because we're going to keep this thing rolling. He said, "If it wasn't for the invite, would you be riding? Would you still be riding motorcycles?"

[00:22:20]>> Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Without a doubt. Um, if it wasn't for the invite to become a Sens City property, I would definitely still be on twos. Um, where would I have ended up becomes the question. Um because ultimately whenever my ex broke up with me, I knew I wasn't going to give up bike life. I wasn't going to give up that culture that I had been ingrained into. Um because honestly my love for motorcycles started way before that. So it was just a matter of time as to where I was going. Sin City just happened to be the right people and the right home for me.

[00:22:58]>> Okay. So, from a a woman's perspective, uh, and I'm a male and I'm I have my questions because I just kind of just want to dive in, kind of hear it a little bit about it. As a female in the motorcycle community, have you noticed that women sometimes view club property differently than men?

[00:23:16]>> Absolutely. Um, they they usually women themselves, I get a lot of negativity from women. Um, especially depending on what I post. Um, and a lot of times they're like, I could never be property and I could never do this and I could never do that. And I'm just like, you know, maybe I'm just outside the box, but I I I think outside the picture. It doesn't mean property. It doesn't mean ownership. Like, come on now. Can we can we fast forward to a different narrative um of issues that they have in regards to it? Because it's just like, >> we're not we're not. Um, but with that being said, it's like >> to each their own. They're not for people that's outside of this culture, sometimes they're never going to understand the culture until you step inside it. And there are bad experiences with being property. I'm not going to sit here and say that my experience is the only experience of being a property of because there's certainly women that's had bad experiences [clears throat] being property. Um, I just haven't had that experience.

[00:24:19]>> Okay. Uh, I want to give a big shout out to uh my my friend my friend Goldie the Wit of One Down uh MC and One Down Podcast. Um, man, he's doing great things over and he's been an educator.

[00:24:34]Um, I'm humbled just to have him on the show, even watching. So, GDub, if you're watching, man, thank you very much. And I definitely be tuning in to to your channel as well, man. So, make sure you go check out One Down podcast. go to do with president of One Down MC, uh, out of Riverside, California. The next time I'm over that way, I'm coming by the shop, Gub. I'm coming by the shop, man.

[00:24:54]I gotta say, it's been a while. Sorry about that, uh, Shy Red, but I got to give a shout out to my guy, man. Indeed.

[00:25:01]Indeed. [laughter] >> So, uh, the followup to that is, uh, does that affect expectations or responsibilities of you?

[00:25:12]>> No, I don't think it does. I don't think being a property of doesn't affect the responsibilities that I have as a counselor. Um, it doesn't affect the responsibilities that I have as a teacher. Um, I have to have separate lifestyles. Obviously, professional me isn't going to come walking in decked out in biker leather. You know, that's that's I might show up on my motorcycle.

[00:25:35]I ain't going to lie in the professional [laughter] gear, but you know, I'm not going to come decked out in my rags whenever I step onto the campus or whenever I step into the counselor's seat. So, I feel like, you know, ultimately it's they're they're all part of my life, but they're separate pieces. There's different personas that goes to each one.

[00:25:56]>> Okay. Okay. Nice nice comeback with that. Like I say, you're just a you're just an educator. Thank you, Baldhead Nasty, for that uh bandwidth donation, man. and I greatly appreciate you my brother. Love you. Uh let's talk about loyalty. Let's talk about loyalty within the property of world. What is it like?

[00:26:13]Is it is it a stronger base? Is it is it the the club the lifestyle first?

[00:26:20]>> Yeah. So, you know, loyalty is probably one of the most misunderstood words in this lifestyle. People think loyalty means blind obedience. I don't. To me, loyalty is built on trust, respect, and consistency. And as a property of my loyalty starts with my sponsor. That doesn't mean I agree with every single thing that he says. It doesn't mean I lose my ability to think for myself. It means I trust his experience. He's been where I haven't. Um, and he's made mistakes I haven't had to make because he's already lived through them. So when he gives me guidance, I listen. Not because I'm forced to, but because I've learned he's earned that respect. So loyalty also means not making your sponsor clean up messes you've created.

[00:27:11]I if I carry myself with respect, stay out of unnecessary drama, and thank before I react. I'm not just protecting my own reputation, I'm protecting his, too. And people people don't realize that when you're a property of your actions reflect more than on more than just you. You're connected. That connection comes with responsibility.

[00:27:35]And now here's where I think people get loyalty wrong. Loyalty doesn't mean accepting disrespect.

[00:27:42]It doesn't mean enabling bad behavior.

[00:27:45]It doesn't mean defending somebody who's clearly wrong just because they're your person or your sponsor. Um, real loyalty sometimes looks like having the hard conversations. Sometimes it means saying, "I think we need to slow down and talk about that." Sometimes it means holding each other accountable because if I truly care about somebody, I want them to be the best version of themselves and they want them to be or they want me to be the best version of myself as well. And that's what my sponsor has done for me. He's corrected me when I've needed correcting. Um, he's challenged me when I'm getting in my own way. He's reminded me to think bigger than the emotion of the moment. And to me, that's loyalty. It's investing in someone's growth. Loyalty also shows up when nobody's watching. It's easy to be loyal when you're standing beside somebody at an event. But the harder question is, how do you speak about them when they're not in the room? Do you protect their name? Do you shut down the gossip instead of feeding it? Do you handle disagreements privately instead of putting them on Facebook for the world to watch? character is revealed when there's no audience. So, I think that's where loyalty lives.

[00:28:57]>> Uh, producer, uh, let me let me get a round let me get a round of applause, please. Cuz, uh, that's that's that's deep right there. I I I like that, Red.

[00:29:06]Uh, thank you for sharing that. I guess my producer is is gone. [laughter] >> [cheering] >> I'm being set up, folks. I think I'm getting pranked. I think I'm getting pranked. This is a prank. Oh my goodness, man. We are halfway through the show already. I told you six minutes going to go by fast already. So, listen.

[00:29:31]We're going to go ahead and take a quick pause right quick, folks. And then we're going to be right back with the second half of this episode. We'll be right back.

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[00:30:41]All right, ladies and gentlemen, and just like that, we're back. You know how we're going to do it. We got uh no other than Shorty Red in the studio with us tonight. And uh man, she's laying it down heavy. Thank you, uh Most Wanted, my sister, my my exited voice of the podcast, man. I love you, my sister.

[00:31:01]Love you. And uh I want to get you back on the show too because I want to talk about that last ride that you did uh which I think was an incredible ride. So listen folks, we're going to keep this thing going. If you have questions for this second half, if you have questions uh that you want to talk to Shorty Red about, ask her about the lifestyle of being a PO and some of the the the the misconception of it. Drop it in the comment and we're going to get them answered. Uh hopefully we keep the gremlins. There you There you go, [laughter] man. We just got to have fun with it, man. People don't want it to be serious all the time. All all protocol and all just the nasty and the ugly. But I do have one question though, man. You know, people always think that POS are just and and I hate to say it like this, just fast women. Just fast women. Is is is it is it a misconception or is it that they're that's who they are?

[00:31:54]>> It is a misconception. And I mean, don't get me wrong, there are there are some women out there that are obviously the the fast type. Um, and that's what they come for, but most POS are honestly just people and they're just there to be part of the family. Um, you know, can there be women that fit the stereotype in the club?

[00:32:19]Sure. Um, just like there's people in every community who make choices that reinforce stereotypes, but whenever you really think about it, those actions can't apply to every property of. So being a property of isn't defined by someone's sex life. Um, it's defined by relationship. So for us, being a PO is about trust, mentorship, accountability, protocol, and family. It's also about saying I'm willing to be responsible for bringing this person into the world. And people confuse different roles in this lifestyle. They assume that every PO is an old lady like we talked about earlier or every PO is in a sexual or romantic relationship with their sponsor or a bro. And that's simply not true. Um, take me for an example. I'm not my sponsor's old lady and I'm still single.

[00:33:12]So, you know, [laughter] it's >> uhoh. Uh oh. Don't y'all go hitting us up talking about let me get her digits.

[00:33:18]No, [laughter] no, you put that, [laughter] >> you know, it it's it's but it's like that, you know. So, it's just like I say to myself a lot of times, you know, and I tell people all the time like I'm not one of those outgoing type of POS like if you approach me like I'll talk to you. But for me, like I'm I sit back in the shadows and watch people. I like to watch people. I'm a people watcher. So, you know, >> I just >> if so, so if you get if you get a a young lady who just she's a she's been coming around the clubhouse. Um she's intrigued about it. She doesn't ride, you know, and and she dressed certain way cuz she think that's what it's supposed to be like. And you notice her you notice her kind of searching for a sponsor. What advice would you give her?

[00:34:11]I would give her the advice that I give everybody, you know, I tell them, you know, don't just slow down. Shut up and listen. I say it a little bit harsher than that. Like, shut the [ __ ] up and listen. Let's be >> speak it. Speak it. Speak it.

[00:34:25]>> You know, because if you shut up long enough to just listen to people, you will know which person is going to click with you. Um, you will learn what you need to learn. You will learn your protocols. I also warned them, you know, once you get your name and your reputation in this community, that reputation sticks with you. So, you want to protect that at all costs.

[00:34:49]>> Yeah, that's right, man. Because it's unforgiving. Um, the lifestyle of a outlaw and 1enter is unforgiving. It's about respect.

[00:35:00]No matter, no matter, no matter po, no matter hang around, no matter you come to that clubhouse, male, females, uh it's all about respect, man. Living a lifestyle where respect get you a long way because it's uh it's earned, not given. So, um definitely definitely appreciate that. Uh have you mentored, if you can talk about it, have you mentored young POS? Have you sat them down and educated them? Have you become that that because because you know you did a post like one day you're gonna be that old uh uh uh person.

[00:35:34]>> So um absolutely I have tried to mentor people and had those conversations with people but the problem is is that sometimes you know just like I was sometimes people have a hard head and it makes a soft ass and they have to learn the hard way. Um some women think that we're out here trying to be jealous or whatnot. Um, and that's the stereotypes that people have about women. Um, and that we're not trying to look out for them or they've learned the hard way not to trust people. So, it makes them harder to listen. Um, but I try to tell people all the time, you know, like the way you dress matters. What you say matters. The way the people that you hang around, even the bros that you hang around matters. Like it matters how you carry yourself. It matters how you speak. Like all of that stuff adds up to your reputation.

[00:36:24]>> Right. Right. Right. And then one day you'll be the old head uh pass the torch. Uh I love this. Like I say, I'll follow you and some of the stuff that you have posted I'm putting up because it's relevant and and people need to hear and get a better understanding of the um property of lifestyle. So if there was if there was one thing that you could take away from the lifestyle erase, if there was one thing that you could, what would it be?

[00:36:54]>> One thing, the jealousy, cuz women get jealous um depending on the situation, depending on the sponsors, um depending on how you carry yourself. Um just be a friend, just be a sister. Like it doesn't have to be complicated. Like it doesn't have to be something. It's not like we're all here for the same purpose to be able to support our brothers. Like this is a family. And to be a sister like it doesn't mean to try to be something that you're not. It means to just be yourself. Be the most authentic version of yourself and let us love you.

[00:37:39]>> Okay. Okay. I I like that. I I like that. The jealousy, the jealousy is, you know, this culture. You know the motorcycle lifestyle. Jealousy is just a part of it. Envy is a part of it. If you ride more than me, I'm I'm eny and jealous. If you do this more than me, I'm in the jealous. If your PO look different or act certain way, then I get jealous. Uh it's just part of it, man.

[00:38:02]But um you know, I I agree. I agree. Get rid of that jealousy. Let's be one big family, man. One one big family. Uh, we got some questions being dropped down here. Uh, who we got here? Uh, okay, there we go. Because man, I ain't got my glasses on.

[00:38:20]I actually want my glasses on like Kenneth Andrew. [laughter] Oh my goodness. He's just shouting out people. Well, welcome Baldhead Nasty.

[00:38:29]Thanks for shouting them out for you, my brother. I greatly appreciate it. All right, so uh we've talked about loyalty.

[00:38:37]We talked about the respect of it. We talked about the the the nasty of it, the ugly side of it. Um, as a as a educ as a professional in the professional world as a professional and then crossing back over into the lifestyle of motorcycleycling, what would you say the connect? What is is there a connection between the two?

[00:39:01]Is there anything that connect them that you can sit and say, I deal with this over here and I deal with this over here?

[00:39:08]abs deal with it on both sides. The I would say healing, let's be completely and totally honest. Like one of the things that I like the most and one of the things that people don't realize about me is that in my doctorate I'm working on research and I'm researching motorcycles from a mental health perspective. So, I'm actually working on my doctorate in counselor education and supervision. And my dissertation is centered around something that riders have been saying for years, and that's I feel different when I ride. So, most people hear that and they think it's because motorcycles are fun. But as a counselor and a professional in that field, I started asking the question, what if it's more than that? My research focus is on veterans um active military and first responders who ride in motorcycle clubs, riding groups or informal riding organizations. And instead of asking whether motorcycles treat PTSD, I'm asking them to describe their lived experience. What is it about riding with other people that impacts them psychologically and emotionally?

[00:40:16]And what does that experience actually feel like? So I'm using a phenomenological approach which basically means that I'm not trying to prove a theory. I'm trying to understand the essence of their lived experience through their own words. And whenever I was researching, I found the Harley-Davidson sponsored study by Dr. Don Vaughn and he and his research team actually put riders in a scientific study and measured what happened while they rode compared to driving a car or sitting at rest. And they looked at their brain activity with EEGs and their heart rate and their stress related hormones. And what they found was super interesting. Writing was associated with greater attention and sensory processing, an increased heart rate and epinephrine and changes in the stress hormone um balance. So it actually decreased the stress hormone and it suggested a reduced physiological stress response. So, in other words, the riders weren't zoning out. They were becoming more focused and mentally engaged. So, now that the study isn't saying that motorcycles are obviously therapy, um, and that's an important distinction, but I'm saying that motorcycles can be used with therapy and actually help people heal. So, I am a big supporter and a big fundamentalist say they're they're in these biker communities. They're in these motorcycle clubs and riding groups because it's actually healing to them.

[00:41:51]And that's the same thing that I face every day whenever I sit across from people and I talk to them is they're healing something. And that's what curries across is that flow state, that healing state that we get.

[00:42:04]>> You know, we're going to have to do it.

[00:42:05]I'm going have to get you back on. I I want to get you back on and talk about um healing, writing, your dissertation, the whole nine yards. You want to talk about it. Would you would would you would you would you come back on the show?

[00:42:20]>> Absolutely.

[00:42:21]>> All right then. We we we got something going on right here then. I like that.

[00:42:25]Thank you very much. Uh Baldhead Nasty Man, drop your question there because I know you got a million, my brother, and I would love to hear you. Um, uh, my sister right here just dropped one in there. She said, "When you ride, can you ride behind the Bros or how do you travel to events with them?"

[00:42:44]>> So, we ride in the pack with the bros.

[00:42:47]Um, obviously not at the front of the pack, usually in the middle or towards the back. Um, if I'm riding with just one of my bros, we riding we riding together. like shoot I'm riding 100 miles an hour down the road [laughter] you know and they're like that I get my respect you know but at the end of the day like we make it to where we're supposed to go in one piece >> I I I I I want to shoot myself in the foot I had the distinct pleasure of riding with Sunny Boy >> okay >> you know Sunny Boy I had the distinct pleasure rest in peace Sunny Boy and even though at the time that he was riding he was riddled with cancer. He knew it. He knew his fate. He still brought his bike out. He still led the pack over 100 plus miles at 100 miles an hour. And his po I can't and and I'm looking at her because she's retired military. I'm looking at her right now.

[00:43:44]She passed away too. Um and Lord help me. I wish I could think of her name right now, but she passed away. She was right there with behind him. She was on his six. No, no other and I mean we had a train. We had a train and I was I was blessed then to ride with the disciples and and we were in that train and we were rolling and I had so much respect for the POS that were riding in their position holding formation uh 36 in handlebar to handlebar man. So you know I know that lifestyle because I've seen it for myself firsthand and I I wish I could remember her name. If somebody's watching and can remember Sunny Boy um PO's name, please drop it in the comment. I would love to give her a shout out as well. So, listen, we're going to get ready to wind this thing down. Uh we're in the final stages of it right now uh of the show. I don't want to take it too long because right now the great content plus we're going to bring you back on again because we're going to talk a little bit more about that therapy. Um, I know the military had the military has recognized motorcycle riding as a form of therapy.

[00:44:54]>> Yeah.

[00:44:54]>> So, folks, if you if you go to your doctor and you tell him that you ride a motorcycle for therapy and that it helps you not go out there and do crazy things, you might just uh find yourself in a in a position that you don't have to worry about riding and and sit there and say, "Well, I'm violating something or whatever the case may be. I'm 100% or whatever." So, listen. I'm going to ask some of my questions because I don't see too many questions in there. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We got Goldie the just dropped one in there. Thank you, Goldie.

[00:45:22]Uh question. Uh her passion to ride is awesome. It makes uh it make she shine her shine. Uh my question is, would it be a deal breaker for her as a PO if they stop the POS from riding in the pack with patch holders?

[00:45:41]>> No.

[00:45:43]If I can't ride with them, then I mean I'll get I'll get to where I need to go.

[00:45:48]I'll be there. I I'll be there on my toes, you know, like at the end of the day, being a PO is important to me. Um, and I've built my family, you know, and I'm going to show up for my family regardless of if I'm on twos or if I'm in a cage.

[00:46:07]>> Okay. Okay. Uh big source say I really would like to talk to the uh guest about how writing can positively affect dealing with PTSD.

[00:46:15]>> Absolutely.

[00:46:16]>> No, no, no, no, no, no. We we we ain't spoiling it, SGE. [laughter] You have to tune back in, man. Uhuh. Come on. Come on, man. Come on, S. You know how it is, man. I'm giving I'm giving you a dab.

[00:46:26]I'm giving you a dab. Uh Gdub said, "That's the answer I was hoping for."

[00:46:30]Gdub, thank you, man. Thank you. And folks, I can't sit up here behind this camera and ask every question that you out there got time to sit there and and drop them in the comment. So, Gdub, I thank you, man. That that was a good one.

[00:46:44]>> So, I do want to say I do want to say shout out to my sponsor who's watching tonight's proper. I see you. Um, I also want to send a shout out to Chocolate for giving me the fire to teaching me how to ride. She's a PO of Sin City now.

[00:46:59]Um, so shout out to Chocolate. Um, and I also want to drop a thing. I do have a book that has dropped on Amazon, Whispers of Resilience. It's about my life for anybody who's curious. So, I do mention the motorcycle life in there as well.

[00:47:13]>> Okay. Okay. That's awesome. Um, I, you know, during the next episode, maybe I'll have that link and we'll put it in, folks. Um, and and before we go, I want you to give another shout out uh shorty red for that book so that people can go over to YouTube uh to Amazon and purchase that. Um that that also be great. And then Boots just dropped a comment in there. Boot says, um they used to let me ride in the pack, but sometimes I couldn't depending on where we were going. Yes, Boots. Um >> absolutely.

[00:47:46]>> Yeah. If if you can hold your own uh and you are representing for that nation, uh I think you should be uh able to to ride either mid, rear, front, well, you can't ride front, but in the pack with the organization, man. It's number love anyway. That's all. It's number love.

[00:48:03]And then too, it ain't going to do nothing but make stories and memories um when when you get back to the clubhouse.

[00:48:09]>> Absolutely.

[00:48:10]>> Okay. So, we talked about sisterhood. We talked about but we touched on it but I I kind of want more information if you can share it. Now you've been a PO in another organization the way you at right now. I don't know what the leadership structure was who they were.

[00:48:27]I asked if they were white or black but they were co but did you find it different though? Did did the did the females act different? Did they carry themselves differently? Was was expectations different for them? So most of them were old ladies like I said and I guess in a way they did carry themselves differently because there wasn't as eclectic bunch as what there is in Sin City. Um they were all really welcoming. They were all very nice. Um and it was very much family oriented like the kids would come to um the motorcycle events and everything. So it was it was cool like definitely a learning experience. The protocols was very similar. We still had to move with at least two or three of us whenever we went places by ourselves. Um if we was at an event, yeah, we we would travel in twos or threes, never by ourselves. Um always make sure of how we're carrying ourselves because it reflects on the on the bros, you know, stuff like that. So it it it was very similar at the same time like Sensity is different.

[00:49:33]>> It's just different.

[00:49:34]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How does it feel being a a part of uh an organization of that stature?

[00:49:41]>> I love it.

[00:49:43]>> I love it. I don't know. It's just like I >> I guess I've always had a bad bad girl, bad boy mentality [laughter] to me. You know, whenever I fell into Sin City, it was just like, "Oh, this this is what I've been missing for all these years."

[00:50:02]Like they it's it's it's great. like my chapter especially um shout out to Radcliffe um Kucky's chapter of Sin City um you know they are really great they ride hard they teach me to ride hard you know and it's like yeah yeah it's it's also they they are all veterans a lot of them so it's like they move like the military you know like they move in sync they when they go they go like it's it's powerful >> okay uh I know Ambush said there's nothing like seeing that sponsor all black dressed out decked out in the uniform. It almost can be hypnotizing. It almost can be like like you know does it make you feel a part of history? Does it take you back to a time during your childhood when you may have seen or heard about bikers?

[00:50:58]>> Yes. So whenever I was 12, I was introduced to bikers for the first time and it was on a PM MIA ride. They came to town and this biker named T-Ird um put me on the back of his bike and let me uh sit there and crank the throttle, you know, and it was just like at that point I fell in love with motorcycles.

[00:51:19]And you know, whenever I'm around the guys, it takes me back to that period whenever I was just carefree. like I was just free to be able to, you know, be on the bike and just I don't know. It's a sense of freedom. You can't explain it other than freedom.

[00:51:38]>> Okay, I'll take that. Well, all right, Sher Red, listen, man. We're going to get ready to wrap this episode up tonight. Uh we don't want to overload anybody. If there's any other questions out there anybody uh would like to uh drop in the comments to have Shorty Red maybe address as much as she can because uh you know we don't we don't go digging. We don't ask club business. We do not talk club business over here. So I think it's been a great episode. I look forward to uh the future episode that we're going to do together. Uh Shy Red and uh man I thank you for coming on. I I hope people have a better understanding about it. I know Ambush did an outstanding job. So again, shout out to Ambush and her nation. Shout out to you, Shorty Red, and your nation. Uh, I got mad love and respect for both of them. So, um, I think we did everybody justice and you and you two ladies did y'all nation well, uh, indeed. So, uh, before I get out of here, I'm going to do this, uh, because, you know, I'm I'm that type of person.

[00:52:41]I know she came on the show, Ambush did.

[00:52:44]She spoke highly. She educated us. She broke some stuff down. And so, uh, I definitely want to just recognize her.

[00:52:52]So, is there any departing words of wisdom that you would like to leave with the audience tonight about the property of lifestyle?

[00:53:02]Shy Red, >> don't knock until you try it. Sometimes you just have to step outside your comfort zone and come see us and hang out with us one time for the one time to see what we're all about versus just thinking we're a stereotype. So if you've got questions about what it's like to be a PO, go find your local MC and actually spend some time with the ladies that's in the club and ask them.

[00:53:25]Um they'll be the best ones and the best source of information for you as to what it's really like.

[00:53:31]>> Okay. Okay, folks. And uh I look forward to future episode with you. Uh I know it said who am I? Counselor, mother, spiritual uh practitioner, teacher, um rooted in purpose, uh the vibe, uh nerd.

[00:53:48]Nerd.

[00:53:48]>> I am. I am a nerd. [laughter] It doesn't sound like it fits with being a PO.

[00:53:54]>> And then we jump over here to the PO category. Confident, loyal, carefree, quiet, people watcher. That's it, man.

[00:54:02]Warning, [laughter] warning. Come with a warning label. But once again, shout out to Ambush. I just want to just send a shout out to Ambush and thank her for coming on talking about property of you. Two ladies did an outstanding job, man. Super indeed. And I'm sure the people enjoyed it um having you come on. So, you have a good night and I will be in touch with you soon.

[00:54:26]>> Sounds good. Solo, you have a great night as well.

[00:54:28]>> All right. Thank you very much uh for coming on. and you have a good night.

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