"Everyone knows!" Nigel Farage "bit on the side" accused in growing war between Reform UK & Restore

Added: 2026-05-31

[00:00:00]Nigel Farage is Bit on the Side. Lois Perry. All right.

[00:00:04]>> Oh, yeah. I've heard about that. Isn't she and Nigel actually lovers?

[00:00:09]>> Well, I said bit on the side. Yeah. So, >> allegedly.

[00:00:13]>> Allegedly. Sorry. Allegedly.

[00:00:15]>> Rumor has it sources have suggested that.

[00:00:19]>> Yeah. Yeah. top. My moles my moles at reform have informed me allegedly Lois Perry is uh getting deed down by Nigel Farage.

[00:00:34]Vested interest there, love. Anyway, >> and by we mean absolutely everyone in the world knows >> and jokes about it behind your back.

[00:00:43]>> It's disgusting, isn't it? And something odd is going on here because it was just two weeks ago that Faraj's current partner, L Ferrari, sat down with Talk TV's Alex Phillips.

[00:00:54]>> I've known her a long time, but um otherwise it's a bit of a dark horse, an elusive character, possibly the future first lady of the United Kingdom. It's L Farrari, Nigel Faraj's other half. Good morning, L.

[00:01:07]>> Good morning, Alex. How are you today?

[00:01:09]>> I'm very well. How do you feel being here in the studio and being unveiled?

[00:01:13]>> It's unleashed upon the world.

[00:01:15]>> It's official. Restore Britain now on the Makerfield ballot with its leader Robert Low encouraging Manchester patriots to send the biggest political shock in British history. And this is the reason Rbert says the establishment is now so rattled with left-wing labor supporting new statesmen reporting that Labor sources say that on the doorsteps they are hearing as many voters mention restore as reform. Curiously they are also not reporting meeting many Labor or Bernham supporters. So as Basel the great summised once the public realized restore Britain can win reform will implode. They know this. It's why they're all going crazy right now. They are well aware a lot of their supporters would prefer Rbert Low as leader. Only a matter of time. And things are looking very positive on the ground for a stores candidate Rebecca Shepherd with the working classes now mobilizing for Lowe's party. Watch this.

[00:02:19]>> How's it going this morning?

[00:02:21]>> Really good. Really good. Just had a lovely conversation with a lad there. Um he drinks in the same pubs as I do. It's lovely to speak to the local people cuz this is my area. Really positive response so far.

[00:02:31]>> Oh, wonderful. And this is actually one of the more affluent areas. So, it seems that you actually have a little bit more trouble in the affluent areas because they're the ones that seem to be going for labor. It seems to be the posh shower for labor >> and the workingclass areas are where restore is really picking up.

[00:02:45]>> Yeah. Yeah, definitely. We've noticed that. Um it seems to be um staunch labor port. Yeah. in the in the sort of more affluent areas. We're trying to find our our people and I feel like this is our place.

[00:02:56]>> So, the pro-reform panic has begun with GB News star Adam Brooks claiming the polling has been very strong for Reform UK over the last few days nationally.

[00:03:05]This really does fly in the face of MSM stories and certain narratives on here ranging between seven and nine points clear of the pack at the moment. But as the males Dan Hodgers pointed out, the key will be what the reform share looks like when the pollsters start prompting for Restore. So over at the British Passion Corporation, Nick Robinson, he's an enemy of the people, has decided to dismiss Restore Britain as being exclusively for angry young men. This conversation today with the research manager from Focal Data, Jack Peacot.

[00:03:39]Listen. So demographically restore voters skew male and economically precarious and non-deree educated. When it comes to class and gender they look a lot like reform voters but the key difference is that restore sku is much younger and this is reflected in voters information environment. So restore voters are most likely to get their news from social media and far less likely to read print or watch broadcast news.

[00:04:05]Essentially, this is the online right and this is not an insignificant ecosystem. I think as Scarlett Magcguire pointed out this week, Rert Low has twice as many Facebook followers than the prime minister.

[00:04:16]>> This is angry young men getting their news from social media. Is it?

[00:04:22]>> That's one way of putting it. These are sort of radical voters who feel politically disaffected. Um and really it is ultimately a single issue identitarian vote which is focused on immigration and much more concentrated on that one issue than reforms is.

[00:04:36]>> Now Restore Britain's Charlie DS who will be here shortly responded to that broadcast saying Nick Robinson this morning dismisses Restore Britain as angry young men and single issue identitarian voters. Damn right. And there's millions of us. But Rupert Low says the categorization is lazy. Add in piece on the BBC this morning claiming Restore Britain is attracting young men in large numbers who are fed up and want real radical change. Wrong. It's millions of young women too. And certainly on the ground in Makerfield, it looks anything but the BBC's little fantasy. Indeed, even older females who hadn't heard of Rbert Low or Restore Britain before the campaign have now decided to trust the party with their vote. watch.

[00:05:24]>> So, what's what's going on here?

[00:05:26]>> She's voter.

[00:05:27]>> Yeah. Yeah, she is. So, because we're going to be big on um on women's safety, and I think that's forefront of everyone's mind at the moment, isn't it?

[00:05:36]>> Yeah, it is really. Yeah, cuz it's getting a bit bad, isn't it?

[00:05:38]>> It really is. So, that's you know, I was just saying that we're going to do the summits for the um with the police and with um the councils and get everyone together and see if we can form a plan to go forward. So yeah, that's what this combo. So yeah, I'm preaching to the converted here.

[00:05:54]>> Did you Did you know about Robert Low before and Restore Britain beforehand or No.

[00:05:58]>> No. No.

[00:05:59]>> Have you just recently heard about it?

[00:06:02]It's Everyone's saying that we're a new movement, but we're not really. There's 140,000 members now, so it's going forward. So that's me.

[00:06:12]>> Oh yeah.

[00:06:13]>> So you can say you've met me. So thank you. See you later. It's been absolutely positive and and brilliant especially for women because I know women they do feel like we can't go out at night. Well, I do personally. So, we need to do something about that to make them the streets a bit safer. That's >> and that old lady before you also had a good response off of her.

[00:06:33]>> Oh, yeah. She was absolutely lovely. I think she was you see this split vote thing comes in again there, doesn't it?

[00:06:38]Because she was saying, I wouldn't vote for anyone. I don't believe in anyone.

[00:06:41]and then by the time she'd left, she was considering voting for us because obviously again women's safety and um yeah, so it was really positive. I'm passionate about local uh businesses and small businesses and if we were voted in, we definitely look to um slash the business rates and just make it easier for them to trade. You know, all the legislation and the red tape and bureaucracy I would like to see go. So um yeah, passionate about small businesses.

[00:07:09]>> And have you come up against that with your own business? Yeah, absolutely I have. Um the red tape to do with riding schools at the moment is off the scale.

[00:07:18]We're treated like we don't know how to look after our own horses, which we've had for 20 years. Um yeah, and they just look for ways really to sort of clip your wings. And Hodges in the Mail now reporting that three sources independently told him that they believe on the trends they are seeing in Makerfield, there is a possibility Restore could actually beat reform in the seat. So this is why Faraj's party is melting down and this is why the attacks are becoming more unhinged and less based on truth. So we're going to get into them today.

[00:07:57]We're going to dig deep rather than just let this nonsense go out unchallenged.

[00:08:02]So, let's start with Lois Perry. She is a staunch supporter and close friend of Nigel Farage. She is a regular here on Outspoken, but she is amongst the many reformers throwing grenades at Restore.

[00:08:15]In this new attack, Lois posted on X.

[00:08:18]Here's a top restore Britain activist referring to Steve Laws telling Andrew Gold to go home because he's Jewish. My moles in Restore tell me Kemmy Benedog is in daily contact with Rert Low and he's been promised a very senior role in a potential Tory government as a reward for thwarting reform.

[00:08:40]>> Now that promp to respond, I'm actually beyond disgusted with the way reform lies. I was really unsure about running in Makerfield, but every time I see these lies pedled, my resolve hardens, and I want nothing more than to crush reform at every turn. So, I just want to show you the video of Steve Laws that Lois is referring to. It was actually conducted months ago with Andrew Gold.

[00:09:11]>> The future of my people is non-negotiable. I want England to belong to the English. Okay.

[00:09:17]>> You're living in the past, man.

[00:09:18]>> No, I'm not living in the past. Gone.

[00:09:20]England's not gone. England rem will will thrive. We will get our country back.

[00:09:24]>> But how?

[00:09:25]>> People like you leaving.

[00:09:26]>> So someone's going to come knock on my door.

[00:09:28]>> No, you'll get a letter. I'm an Englishman. I'm looking at you as a Jew and I'm telling you you are foreign.

[00:09:33]>> We wouldn't have known that if I didn't tell you.

[00:09:35]>> No, you're your name's Gold.

[00:09:36]>> Yeah. Well, if we change the name >> from Goldstein.

[00:09:39]>> Yeah, we could change it to another name.

[00:09:41]>> Yeah. So that's what you're subverting yourself even more to try and hide amongst the population. It's just proving my point that you people are foreign. This is not your country.

[00:09:47]>> Whose land was it? It wasn't the Norman's land before they >> This is the English land. This is built by England.

[00:09:51]>> What does England mean?

[00:09:53]>> England means England is the land of the Angles. England belongs to the English.

[00:09:58]If your grandparents are English and their grandparents are English, you're English.

[00:10:00]>> Good then fine. I'm English.

[00:10:01]>> You're not English though. You're not English if you're not.

[00:10:03]>> My grandparents are English.

[00:10:04]>> You're not English.

[00:10:05]>> But they all born in England.

[00:10:06]>> Doesn't matter being born in England. If I was born in a barnwood, I'll be a [ __ ] horse.

[00:10:10]Do you know what I mean? It's it's ridiculous.

[00:10:13]>> But one of them is fully Jewish. I'm as Jewish as it gets. Ashkenazi, all of those things, you know? So, they're not Ashkanazi Jews. They're not the same ethnicity as me. Look, I'm Jewish. All my family is Jewish. Everyone I know know is Jewish.

[00:10:24]Now, that is an old video, but Lois Perry used it to add, "The person that told me that Rert Lo had confirmed him yesterday that infamous Jew hater Steve Laws was currently serving in an administration role in Restore Britain was Tory member and friend of Lowe's, Lance Foreman. I was not lying." He had agreed to tweet the screenshot of their interaction as you can see below. He has however chickened out presumably under pressure not to help reform from Kem Beno and conservatives. Disappointing.

[00:10:56]Now on screen you're looking at the messages Lois is talking about. But what Lois is not revealing is that Lance Foreman has actually spoken to Robert Low about the situation revealing I have just come off the phone to Robert Low.

[00:11:11]When I messaged him, he thought I was referring to Scott Benton, not Steve Laws, as Scott had been in the news. So, he confirmed that he had an administrative function. He has now confirmed to me by phone that it was an error. And in fact, Steve Laws has no administrative function whatsoever.

[00:11:30]Good. He also said that he found Steve Laws's comments about Jews on Andrew Gold's show grossly offensive. I agree.

[00:11:36]Naturally, we share a common view on the Islamist threat facing the UK and Europe. So, it was just a total lie based on a misunderstanding that has now been used across the internet to try and intrinsically link Steve Laws to Restore Britain.

[00:11:56]But I give credit to what Restore are doing because unlike Reform UK and you know this was a huge issue for me, Restore Britain will not disavow its own members. And after reform actually doubled down on their lies, Steve Laws himself clarified, Robert didn't disavow me. He merely said he doesn't agree with my position on the Jews, something we already knew. I've said multiple times that he doesn't share the total remigration position, but he'll help with the first few stages. All of you so-called anti-Zionists, jumping with joy when some raging Zionist says something you want to hear is actually pathetic. This was all done so they could create this very scenario. And a lot of you fell for it immediately.

[00:12:40]But this line means there is increasing focus on the women who were trying to bring down Restore on behalf of Farage.

[00:12:47]Now Lois appeared here just weeks ago demonstrating her loyalty to Naj to Nigel and again attacking Restore Britain.

[00:12:57]Look at the people who David is talking about. Ben Hhabib, Rert Low. They were part of Reform UK at the last election.

[00:13:06]I voted for Reform UK at the last election. Since then, Nigel has made it clear that a whole load of us are to use Hillary uh Clinton's terms in that basket of deplorables and he wants nothing to do with us. Now, that I think is a problem.

[00:13:22]>> I I that's not true at all. Both Ben Habib and Rert Low have personal reasons for not they're just the anti- Nigel people. They would rather have Labour in power. Well, not maybe not Ben Habib, BUT CERTAINLY RERT LOW WOULD MUCH RATHER have Labor in power than see Nigel Farage in Downing Street. And it's just as disruptive as the Greens. They they I I actually believe that Rert Low and Restore want the Uni Party system to continue and they're actually really tries and um and they want just want to do whatever they possibly can to keep Nigel out of Downing Street. I think it's personal. I don't think I if they really truly believed about the saving the United Kingdom, they would have thrown their support and loyalty behind Nigel and and not started these splinter groups and splinter parties. But as temperatures rise even further between the two parties, the hosts of the State of Politics podcast, Nate H and Bodade, have furiously hit back at Lois's new attack, claiming that her close relationship to Farage extends to being the Reform UK leaders quote bit on the side. Watch Nigel Farage's bit on the side, Lois Perry. All right.

[00:14:43]>> Oh yeah, I've heard about that. has decided to uh post some bits and pieces.

[00:14:47]Oh, of of course at the behest of reform, no doubt. Uh I would imagine here's a top restore Britain activist.

[00:14:55]It's Steve Laws. He's not a restore Britain activist. He's just a member.

[00:14:59]>> Yeah, >> that's like saying Tommy Robinson was a reform activist when he said you should vote reform or something like that one day. It's like what?

[00:15:07]>> Sorry, just right there. What a [ __ ] lying dirty piece of disingenuous [ __ ] >> Oh yeah. Restore Britain activist.

[00:15:16]>> Yeah.

[00:15:16]>> A top restore Britain activist.

[00:15:18]>> Yeah.

[00:15:19]>> He's not. He's just not.

[00:15:21]>> Yeah. No, he's objectively. It's obviously not. It's well known that he's not.

[00:15:25]>> And they insisted that everyone knows.

[00:15:29]Watch.

[00:15:31]>> Isn't she and Nigel actually lovers?

[00:15:34]>> Well, I said bit on the side. Yeah. So, >> allegedly.

[00:15:38]>> Allegedly. Sorry. Allegedly.

[00:15:41]Rumor has it sources have suggested that.

[00:15:44]>> Yeah. Yeah. Top my moles my moles at reform have informed me allegedly Lois Perry is uh getting deed down by Nigel Farage.

[00:15:59]Vested interest there love. Anyway, >> and by we mean absolutely everyone in the world knows >> and jokes about it behind your back.

[00:16:08]It's disgusting, isn't it?

[00:16:10]>> And something odd is going on here because it was just two weeks ago that Faraj's current partner, L Ferrari, sat down with Talk TV's Alex Phillips as she introduced her as the possible future first lady of the United Kingdom.

[00:16:26]joined by somebody who I don't think has been on this channel before. Someone who is uh well, I've known her a long time, but um otherwise is a bit of a dark horse, an elusive character, possibly the future first lady of the United Kingdom. It's L Farrari, Nigel Farage's other half. Good morning, L.

[00:16:45]>> Good morning, Alex. How are you today?

[00:16:46]>> I'm very well. How do you feel being here in the studio and being unveiled unleashed upon the world?

[00:16:52]>> It's not something I do, honestly. Uh, but it's a bit of fun. I like a challenge. You ask me to come. I say, "Yeah, let's do this."

[00:17:00]>> Exactly. And I think you're going to be brilliant. And um, and also it gives you the public the opportunity to find out, you know, who you are, what you like.

[00:17:06]Hopefully disappoint.

[00:17:08]>> You won't absolutely.

[00:17:10]>> Now, we'll come back to Alex shortly, but remember yesterday I told you that she has threatened to drop a bombshell that she claims will destroy Restore.

[00:17:19]The Brexit Party founder Katherine Blakelo, who is now a staunch Restore Britain supporter, claimed Faraj's women, all of whom have been promised good seats and can see their chances of becoming MPs rapidly disintegrating. The hysterical mistress, Alex Phillips, who now looks deranged. Lying Lois with the Botox, trips to money launderering country Bise, and the flat in uh Belsiz Park, and the Stepford Viper spewing pure poison Isabel Oakshot.

[00:17:52]And the thing is the chaos within reform UK over restore's surge is now just undeniable with Hodgers revealing after Ysef and Gener fought publicly reform now an open civil war. As I said yesterday they're a party that's now experiencing a complete nervous breakdown. But still the party doesn't understand that we will just not accept its constant shift to the left as the increasingly deranged reform Muslim maril candidate Leila Cunningham another big problem for the party decided to appear last night at a London event opposite the Brexit virgin femaly where she was roundly humiliated the moment Look, please. It is 34° outside and this disagreement to be much hotter.

[00:18:50]Can we just commit to you? So, let's try and bring up your profit, aren't you?

[00:18:54]>> No.

[00:18:56]I'm not going to be told that those girls, I've spoken to so many of them, the trauma they've been through. I've read the court accounts. I'm not going to be told by some person that everything they say is wrong and it's because of sarcastic.

[00:19:18]We'll come back to you.

[00:19:21]>> What is she doing? Cunningham doesn't have the balls to appear on outspoken, but she will go and try and appease these absolute crazy leftists. Also, overnight sacked reform chairman David Bull finally reappeared on X. That was after Rupert Low had drawn attention to his lengthy disappearance. And all of this, all of this is before we come to Reform UK's candidate in the seat, Robert Kenyon, whose past is absolutely being dug up in this mission by the MSM.

[00:19:54]The problem is is that he's being squeezed on both the left and the right now with his old posts in regards to his anti-rexit stance infuriating likely voters for both reform and restore. And breaking right now, the Daily Telegraph has just published new former posts by Robert Kenyon that show he was quite clearly against Brexit, writing, "Now we will have to pick up the pieces as always. They pedled the nationalistic pish and got the working class vote bit silly if you ask me." Now reformers still trying to say that he voted for Brexit, which is clearly a lie.

[00:20:40]Earlier today, the Daily Telegraph revealed that Kenyan believed Russia had a right to invade Ukraine, writing, "Russia are well within their rights to do what they have done, as we did with the Falklands." Now, while I actually believe that is an intellectual debate that we should have had in this country, staunch reform UK supporters like Calvin McKenzie immediately withdrew their support for Kenyon. He posted, "A post found by the Telegraph from Robert Kenyan, reforms make a field candidate, saying Russia was within its rights to invade Ukraine is enough for me to hope he doesn't win. If he doesn't understand Putin is our enemy, he has no right to be an MP." So here's the problem for Reform UK. He has been absolutely smashed by both the mainstream left and the mainstream right. So you see the Guardian now horrified that Kenyan appeared to doubt the seriousness of CO 19 and advise people to stop having the boosters. Well, I would argue that's actually going to be a very popular position. However, a wet reform UK spokesperson immediately clarified to the Guardian. Robert had all of his co jabs during the pandemic and his children are fully up to date on every vaccination. These comments were made long before Rob was in politics. He isn't a polished professional politician and doesn't speak like one. That's precisely why he'll be a straight talking effective voice for normal working people in Makerfield. The campaign is a mess. And now the Daily Mirror going for him too over homophobia because he wrote in 2009, "You can't call her the queen anymore because it offends the puffs." the next year. He stated, "People who want to make a stand for homosexuals need not combat the throwaway comments of a sportsman on Twitter, but need to do something about the way homosexuals are perceived in the mainstream media. For instance, having Junian Clary, Graeme Norton, four puffs in a piano, and Paulo Grady mincing about on TV does a lot more damage to the reputation of homosexuals and causes greater insult in my opinion." Then in 2020, he appeared to respond to Wigan Warriors, announcing one of their matches would include a Pride Day celebration. It said, "This isn't a workplace whereby everybody is a free-thinking adult. This is a rugby club where many of the fans are children with impressionable minds and they shouldn't have the issue thrown in their faces. It's up to the parents to teach it to them if and when they see fit." A post the same year added, "If LGBT just want acceptance, then stop making a big song and dance about it. detention seeking and taking over other events because that's turning people against you. And you KNOW WHAT? I TOTALLY AGREE.

[00:23:18]I couldn't agree more. Who cares? I'm not even slightly concerned about that.

[00:23:23]But again, the problem is that Kenyon now has few friends left given he has also made these attacks on Robert Low and Restore. The fake news agents Emily Mateless argued that the workingclass argument is no longer an excuse for his previous comments. watch. But first, quick gut check for the new year. Data leaks aren't rare, they're routine. When a major breach lands, it's millions of records in one blast. Phone numbers, home addresses, login, sometimes much worse. The nasty trick that data gets traded indefinitely. Data brokers and people search sites buy and resell it on loop. So scammers, stalkers, even an Oy employer can surface far too much with a simple search. That's why I use Incogn.

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[00:25:29]>> He's pointed out the fact that Rubelo, like Nigel Farage, is incredibly wealthy. He's a businessman. He's got a lot of cash. When you, you know, you listen to him, he's he's a sort of posh sounding man. And suddenly you've got this like, you know, we're all fighting for working man status here. And I think as you said, it's really ugly actually to use the idea of working man as being a sort of excuse for whatever you're saying, whatever language you're saying, whatever you think, whatever views you have. Because there are plenty of working-class people who do not use language like Rob Kenyon, and there are plenty of people who would absolutely abhore the views that he's coming out with now. But it's just so interesting to see the fight back is now I'm more workingclass than you, Rupert Low, and you never cared about this part of the world, which is a working man's part of the world, and you're posh cuz what you're from Great Yarmouth.

[00:26:24]>> And of course, the fake news agents are completely ignoring the right, seeming to tear themselves apart.

[00:26:33]It's been so telling over the course of the weekend how many accounts, how many reform accounts online, both corporate ones and also you know senior party people including Farage have been tweeting about restore panicking clearly basically going you vote restore you get Labour, you vote restore, you get Burnham, you get Star. I mean there may be tries from David Cameron down sort of having a sort of quiet smile to themselves over the course of the weekend to basically watch Farage get Farage. You know, Farage has been for the last 25 20 25 years, you know, biting at the heels of the Conservative party, constantly forcing them to the right on all sorts of different things as the insurgent, as the populist, as Farage, this is one of the costs of success for Farage as he has become almost the mainstream force increasingly on the British right. He's now got, you know, basically happening on sort of double speed and double time potentially an insurgent force to his own right which is potentially going to affect him much as the way and it affected the tries over the years.

[00:27:33]>> Yeah, I think that's right. And I think both party is now fighting for kind of what you used loosely call the victimhood status, right? So, um, Restore UK likes to put itself as, as I said, the sort of the the little the little brother, the little sister, yappy at the heels because they're the ones getting left behind. They're the ones um that are the sort of insurgent to Nigel Farage's, you know, big bossy basically suggested that he was a bit of a tyrant in his own party.

[00:28:03]>> But look at what is happening. Everyone is talking about Restore Britain.

[00:28:08]Everyone is starting to realize that Restore Britain can win and not just in this constituency. So what's happening next? Well, the cucked and controlled opposition are making it their absolute mission to try and stop Robert Low. Like the Daily Mail, look at this hit piece today. Does RERT low really want to go down in history as the man who made Burnham PM with Elon Musk's help? And at the same time, they're also trying to suggest, and isn't this the sort of most boring game in the book, uh, that the party is anti-semitic.

[00:28:43]This came after Charlie DS posted a picture of Nigel Farage stood at Reform's Jewish Alliance launch. The aforementioned Alex Phillips posted on X Restore Britain peding the same anti-semitic conspiracy theories as the far-left. This isn't a random person either. This is Rupert Low, chief handler. Want to explain? Rupert Low, do you buy into anti-Jewish propaganda while British Jews fear for their lives?

[00:29:07]Charlie, he replied directly to Alex. MP should serve the constituents and Britain's national interests, not foreign lobbies and minority advocacy groups. I thought you were against identity politics.

[00:29:19]Restore Britain's hit piece though in the Daily Mail went ahead regardless because they don't care about the facts.

[00:29:30]So despite everything that I told you earlier today they have still tried to link restore to Steve Laws. The journalist Christian KGI who should do better wrote yesterday the party failed to condemn his deportation comments arguing we're not going to police our membership. A spokesman added what Steve Laws says is up to Steve Laws. It has absolutely nothing to do with us. But they refused to answer key questions about whether Mr. laws is a member of Restore and about his claims that he is in daily contact with Mr. Loe's advisers. Nor did the party condemn posts from one official that appeared to imply Nigel Farage had been bought by Jewish money. Asked about other media reports of far-right activists signing up as restore Britain members and helping campaign for the party. The spokesman said, "We have been very clear. We are not going to police our membership. The membership endorses our position, not the reverse, obviously."

[00:30:23]But the party was condemned by the campaign against anti-semitism over its failure to distance itself from those perpetrating offensive and anti-semitic views. A spokesman for the group told the Daily Mail, "This rhetoric and these associations are gravely concerning at a time when some fringe parties are failing to show where they stand on anti-semitism and extremism. Restore should set itself apart and speak out.

[00:30:44]If it fails to do so, that will send a clear message of its own. Do not foreign. Does Restore accept that saying that this is a matter for members won't cut it? Some of this is from people who appear to have formal roles in the party. This is the difference between being a loosen a loose-net provocative protest group and a serious political party. Which does Restore want to be?

[00:31:06]Well, joining me on the superstar panel now is Restore Britain spokesman Charlie DS alongside the author Bernie Spfor.

[00:31:17]So Charlie, well I mean it's absolutely inevitable that this meltdown is going to continue and that these blatant lies are going to be spread. So it's so good to have you back because I think we just need to tackle some of them. So can we start with these claims that Lois Perry has made, Charlie, because they're pretty serious, aren't they? And they seem to be egregiously untrue. And let's remember this is someone who is a close personal ally to Nigel Farage. speaks to Nigel Farage constantly and consistently and is sort of used as an attack dog for Reform UK. So firstly, is she wrong to suggest that Steve Laws has any type of formal role in Restore Britain?

[00:32:01]She is wrong. Yes. Uh Steve Laws is a private member of the public who, as far as I'm aware, has not committed any crimes. Uh he may or may not be a member of Restore Britain. I don't know. I've not checked our membership list. that his opinions are his and ours are ours and we will not be made to answer for the opinions of random members of the public as we've made clear from day one.

[00:32:21]She then said that Robert Low is having daily conversations with Keonaut, the Conservative Party leader, and that there is some type of deal in place.

[00:32:37]Yeah. I mean, this is just nonsense.

[00:32:38]Again, it's I find it very ironic that Lois Perry of all people is trying to accuse Restore Britain of being some kind of establishment plot when Reform UK themselves have tacked to the center on almost every issue at this point. And Lois Perry is of course herself the strategic director of reform friends of Israel. Now, in my view, it doesn't come any more establishment than being in hawk to uh foreign lobbies such as the Israel lobby. I mean uh this is this is uh corruption. This is corporate and foreign money uh interfering in our politics. And so if she wants to suggest that restore are the ones trying to uh contain and destroy radical energy that's prepared to put the British people first, I would say she needs to look in the mirror and question whether she is herself putting British interest first by taking on a role like that.

[00:33:27]And then we get to the fact, Charlie, that there's this sort of desperate attempt to try and link anti-semitism to parties like Restore that are effectively advocating for a Britain first approach. But we saw it in that Alex Phillips post. She immediately accused you personally of anti-semitism.

[00:33:52]So can you just explain the position for people Charlie and why restore Britain is different to for example reform UK on this which does formally for example have an Israeli lobby as part of its party and is very proud of that it's fair to say and what does that say Dan I mean this party reform UK that is supposed to be uh the party for the British people um has built into it a foreign lobby now foreign lobbying is not something that's spoken about a great deal in British politics, but our politics is a wash with foreign money, whether it's from Israel, whether it's from Russia, whether it's from China or anywhere else or America for that matter. This, in my view, and in I think the view of Restore Britain, this is a huge problem. Um, and the fact that that is worn with pride, I think says a lot about that party. Now, as to these allegations of anti-semitism, um, in our view, this is just another one of these words that the establishment deploys against the people that it doesn't like, like racist, like homophobic, like sexist, islamophobic. Um, it's probably the most um severe of all of those labels. Uh, but nevertheless, it is just a dishonest smear um that is used to try to shut down honest conversations about the state of our country.

[00:35:08]Then we come to Makerfield itself.

[00:35:10]Charlie, what is your reaction to the reform UK candidate Robert Kenyon?

[00:35:16]Because to begin with, I was very much in the Carl Benjamin camp on this, which is that some of these attacks on Kenyon for simply having conversations that he thought at the time were in a sort of safe space. Yes, publicly, but effectively banter amongst friends.

[00:35:36]shouldn't really harm his potential hiring as an MP 16 years later. Like, I don't give a damn that he used the word puff. I don't give a damn that he replied to a joke about Carol Verman's bum hole. I know a lot of people disagree with me on that.

[00:35:55]But I do Charlie have a huge concern about the fact that the party that is meant to believe in Brexit more than any other appears to have put up a remainer in this seat and are now lying about it.

[00:36:13]>> Well, there's a number of things to unpack here. I think now I think that you know offense archaeology as it's called where people go crawling through the social media history of people who stick their head above the parapit and uh you know put their name and reputation on the line uh because they are you know committed to a cause that they care about. I don't think that that's great. I mean it's not something that I make a habit of doing. Um and it's but nevertheless it's not surprising that this has happened to Rob Kenyon because he's standing for Reform UK. Uh, and ultimately it should have been Reform UK that uh discovered these uh old tweets before it was the mainstream media because this stuff was always going to come out. It was always going to make them look bad. And the way that they've handled it has been even worse because I haven't seen any defense of their candidate from any of the senior figures in reform. I I can tell you for a fact that I can't imagine the likes of Robert Genrich going on national television and defending Rob Kenyon. And I think that says so much again about the leadership of reform because as you know Dan uh I've made controversial comments in the past like the ones that we've been discussing today and my party has never disavowed me and that's because we believe in the cause. We believe that we're all pushing in the same direction and dishonest smears by the mainstream media are not something that we're prepared to entertain. And I've got to say you talk about the uh hit jobs that have been coming on Restore Britain. There are many more coming in the pipeline we are told. So, you know, stay tuned for more.

[00:37:36]And and ultimately, look, I mean, Rob Kenyon's comments, what do I think of them? I don't really care to be honest.

[00:37:42]Uh, but if you're going to put yourself in the public eye, you got to be ready for this stuff to come. And if your part is not prepared to back you, what does that say about them?

[00:37:49]>> What do you make of reform accusing you of just being too amateur for this? Matt Goodwin posted, "It is crystal clear restore have no idea what they are doing. They are amateurs who are only helping the left. Only reform has a serious plan for saving this country, including reversing the Boris wave. I urge you to all get behind it. Vote reform.

[00:38:13]Well, I don't think anything says amateurism like two of your most senior figures arguing in public about what your immigration policy is, as Zia Ysef and Robert Generick have been doing over the last few days. I mean, if reform is a beacon of professionalism, um, then I mean, I don't know what professionalism even means. Now, Restore Britain is a party that's 4 months old. We're still in our very early stages. We're finding our feet. We're going to make mistakes, and we've obviously been very uh very open about that with our members, but I think the British people like a bit of honesty. They like it when uh the people that are vying to be their political leaders have the um you know, the spine to actually come out and say, "Yeah, do you know what? We made a mistake here."

[00:38:51]Um and there's not been many occasions where we've had to do that. Has to be said. Um, but it's I find it very uh again ironic that somebody like Matt Goodwin would be the one to come out and say this. Matt Goodwin who is famed for have wr for having written a book using AI and then trying to pass it off as his own work. Um, and once again I mean reforms like accusing a political rival of hypocrisy is a little bit trit because you know everyone's a hypocrite in this life. It's part of the human condition. Um, but it is very ironic to me that a party that has its slogan as family, community, country would put forward someone like Robert Kenyon as their candidate and would have someone like Matt Goodwin, somebody who is uh has quite the reputation around Westminster, let's just say, forward as their spokespeople.

[00:39:36]And just before I bring Bernie in, Charlie, can I check what you are hearing on the ground in Mayfield?

[00:39:42]Because we've got huge discrepancies in terms of the canvasing numbers, although there does seem to be wide agreement that this poll at the weekend wildly underestimated the Restore Britain vote at just 7%.

[00:40:02]Dan Wooden Outspoken is available as a podcast, too. So to listen or watch us on the go wherever you are then please subscribe on Apple Podcast, Spotify or wherever you listen to your podcasts and as a personal favor to me please rate and review as it really helps our independent show. Yes. So there's a lot of polling I mean constituency level polling is famously difficult to get right. Um, but I was looking at some canvasing data that we had back in today and I've got to tell you that 7% uh figure is very very far off the mark. I mean, we're looking on our end something like, you know, upwards of 18%. Let's let's just put it that way. 18% was the figure that we most recently put out.

[00:40:45]So, I will stick with that. But it's only going >> You believe you can win, Charlie. Like, is this a fight now to win the seat or is it a fight to beat reform and come second in the seat? Like, live with me here. Well, Dan, in 2024, only 50% of Makerfield's electorate voted in the general election. So, this is a prime example of an area of the country that feels utterly disaffected with the political establishment in this country.

[00:41:14]there is, you know, 50% of the residents of Makerfield are crying out for political representation and they didn't felt didn't feel that they were getting it in 2024 from the Conservatives or Labor or Reform or the Lib Dems or the Greens or whoever else. But now they have a party in Restore Britain that is going to put their interests first, that is going to speak for them in the halls of power. And in Great Yarmouth uh in the local elections, we were able to increase the voter turnout against the last elections by over 60%. So if we can achieve that same level of voter turnout in Makerfield, we will win.

[00:41:47]>> Bernie, I know you're very concerned about this growing war on the right, but so much of this negativity in Makerfield at least is coming from Reform UK.

[00:42:04]To be honest with you, Dan, first of all, can I apologize about my coms, and I'm sorry I'm on my mobile. Um, to be honest, I've just listened to Charlie talk. He's an eloquent man, but it's complete [ __ ] I'm really not interested, and I don't think the people of Makerfield are interested either. The country is on its knees. Makerfield is 97% white. It doesn't have a m a migration or an illegal migration problem. 10.1% of people are claiming disability benefits. Both of these parties say they're going to cut disability. They're going to cut benefits and so they should. This is a low education area.

[00:42:52]Neither party has talked about how AI is going to decimate the income in this town. They haven't talked about what they will do to try and help these people earn their own living. What's going to happen when they cut benefits of these people? What's going to happen on their high streets? How can they possibly help them? It's a disgrace. The entire argument from Dippy Lois Perry to ridiculous arguing about a bloke who quite frankly is not qualified to be in parliament is pathetic. And the fact that these types of people are even up there when you look at them across >> But Bernie, what is the solution though?

[00:43:39]Because Reform UK's solution, let's just be frank about it, is res is for restore Britain just to go away, to just disappear, to to not run, to not participate in the democratic process.

[00:43:50]That is what the critics are quite clearly requesting restore to do. And trust me, I mean, I am coming under severe pressure. I cannot tell you the type of pressure I am coming under to back reform UK in this bi-election. Now, this show has been an open platform for months. Reform UK could be here as much as they want, just like Restore Britain can be here as much as they want. And why am I all of a sudden coming under pressure now? So, I can completely understand what you're saying. But in this practical case, what is Restore Britain meant to do? Just not run in a critical bi-election?

[00:44:32]>> No, I think both of them are critically at fault. critically at fault. They are absolute amateurs. And I'm embarrassed.

[00:44:42]I'm embarrassed that the rest of the world is watching this pathetic fight.

[00:44:47]You know, reform doesn't need to do this. It doesn't need to put pressure on. It needs to talk about its policies and talk about what it will do for Makerfield because I tell you now, that's what Andy Bernham is doing. Now, I don't agree with a word that comes out of Andy Bernham's mouth, but at least there's some professionalism about him.

[00:45:09]Restore need to grow up and talk about what they will do for this constituency.

[00:45:15]>> Okay. Well, let's let Charlie do that.

[00:45:17]Charlie, there's a lot there for you to respond to.

[00:45:20]>> Yeah. Well, I think on the first point, which was essentially uh Bernie, I think getting at splitting the vote. In our view, uh there is no splitting of the vote taking place because labor represent the left wing of the establishment. Uh reform represent the right-wing of the establishment and restore Britain exists entirely outside of that paradigm. We don't believe in the current establishment. We're seeking to completely destroy it and bring in a new establishment which will have its own left and its own right. Like we're not in the business of making peace with the establishment. And so we are at every available opportunity going to take them on. and the Makerfield bi-election is one such opportunity.

[00:45:56]Now, as to your point about uh talking about the issues in Makerfield, our candidate Rebecca Shepard has been going doortodoor every single day, as have hundreds of canvases, speaking to local people about the issues that are uh concerning them. And we are uh listening to their concerns and incorporating them into our campaign and into Rebecca's program for the area if she wins. Now, if you look at Great Yarmouth, which is of course our leader, Rupert Loe's constituency, um people across the country can look at that as a model for what a restore Britain MP would do for a local constituency. Robert is somebody who has given a voice to a town that felt that it had none in the halls of power, has driven investment into the area, has of course donated his own salary to various uh charities and organizations in the town. Uh and has given the people of great Yarmouth a sense that they have uh representation in Westminster and I've been to Great Yarmouth many times. I was there during the local elections and having gone door too and spoken to great Yarmouth residents I can tell you that they genuinely feel um a renewed sense of faith in the British political system because of RERT low and if the people of Makerfield are if their well if their voter turnout in 2024 is anything to go by they are a very similar constituency to Great Yarmouth in that many people there feel that they do not have any political representation. So with the offer of Restore Britain and our excellent candidate Rebecca Shepard, what they have is the opportunity to have a voice in the halls of power to have their interest put first to not have an MP that is just there to become prime minister or to have a career in politics or any of the rest of it, but who is actually going to put their concerns at the top of the agenda. Dan Morton Outspoken is your no spin, no bias, no censive outlet for independent news. We have no big tech backing or billionaires pulling my strings, but that does mean I need your support. So, please hit subscribe on YouTube, turn on the notification bell, and subscribe to Dan Outspoken on Spotify or Apple Podcasts. It's totally free, but allows me to continue my promise to always keep fighting for you.