Dave Smith and Cenk Uygur Reveal the TRUTH About Trump's Supposed Anger at Netanyahu

Added: 2026-06-03

[00:00:00]We're worlds apart on the nuclear issue.

[00:00:02]We're worlds apart on intercontinental ballistic missiles. We're worlds apart on proxies. There's no deal to be made here. But we could just stop and come home and not support Israel anymore. And Israel will be the most hated thing in America. And so, how does that help Israel? So, these lunatics have set up a lose-lose for both themselves and America and the world. So, why are we listening to the lunatics?

[00:00:29]Can Trump still set up a deal to make peace with the Iranians? Well, not if Israel has anything to say about it. Not if Netanyahu gets his way, sabotaging an avenue for peace recently. But how much of that leaked phone call transcript that Axios posted showing supposed anger from Trump toward Netanyahu, saying, "You're effing crazy and the whole world's going to hate Israel right now."

[00:00:55]can be taken as fact. Was it theatrical?

[00:00:58]Separating the fact and the fiction is Dave Smith and Jenk Uer here. Let's see what they have to say about that. Please like the video and subscribe to the channel. Hype it if you can, too. And let's get going.

[00:01:08]>> I wanted to ask you about this uh this Axios piece from yesterday, which is uh you know, I'm not really myself completely sure what to make of it. So, there's a piece that essentially is saying that they, you know, Axios has has throughout this entire war served as the mouthpiece of the regime. They're they feed it stories and they run the stories that they want to. They It's unbelievable how uh how much they can just get things wrong and then just keep moving for you know like they've reported on the deal being done several times already. Seems to be some blatant market manipulation going on there. But yesterday they have this piece that Donald Trump has a furious phone call with Benjamin Netanyahu and he's cursing him out and he's like you're a maniac.

[00:01:51]Now, uh, to be fair, Axios has had other pieces like this before. And if you remember, Crystal Ball made this point on Twitter, uh, recently that like, yeah, they used to run these pieces about how Biden was cracking down on Israel behind the scenes and then, oh, Trump's furious at Israel behind the scenes, and it's not I don't know.

[00:02:10]There's something in it that it it to me at least on the surface I I tend to go like this is all just made up because also even just given like the 12-day war I mean the exact same dynamic went on there. Israel lured us into the war set the no enrichment uh standards poisoned the negotiations led the first attack and then when Trump wanted the off-ramp in a ceasefire they kept the bombing up and then Trump you know has that one comment where he says they're they all don't know what the [ __ ] they're doing or whatever. It's like, so part of me is like this isn't real. But if it is, it's like there's basically two options.

[00:02:44]Either that's not true and yet the administration wants us to think that behind the scenes they are cracking the whip on on Israel or it is true. In which case, it's exactly what you just said it is. It's like, okay, so what comes of that? So you told them they didn't want they're not allowed to do this thing. They're doing it anyway and you do what?

[00:03:10]>> Well, that's the ultimate question. The answer is essentially nothing. Nothing ever comes of this in terms of policy, in terms of aid to Israel, even if Trump is angered to some extent. And I tend to think it's all theatrical. I think it's him colluding with Netanyahu. Hey, we're going to plant this story in the media to help me with my support base fracturing over this idiotic war. He wouldn't put it that way, but he would set this up to make it sound like he actually is upset and he actually is calling the shots as mass dissident take notice that Israel's calling the shots for American foreign policy. But even if Trump was angered and there is some truth to this story, nothing will ever come from it from a policy standpoint.

[00:03:53]If Trump wanted to tomorrow, he could say, "Congress, show me a bill tomorrow that withdraws aid from Israel." or if he doesn't want to go that far, show me a bill tomorrow that uses leverage to condition aid to Israel upon prerequisites, namely, you don't bomb targets in Lebanon to sabotage a route to peace with Iran. He could do that. He has both houses of Congress and the presidency, but they'll never do it.

[00:04:20]Just as they'll never end, say, the Department of Education, the IRS, shut down the regulatory apparatus, as they all campaign on, but never end up doing.

[00:04:30]it doesn't pan out in policy. I do tend to think it's theatrical and this is just concocted by Netanyahu and Trump to try to save face as Israel continues to pull the levers and call the shots.

[00:04:42]Unfortunately, a total slap to the face of American sovereignty as it always is.

[00:04:47]because I will say like you know I was listening to an interview with uh Jeffrey Sachs uh recently and you know he said something in a very simple way that I think maybe I've been kind of under acknowledging this whole time which is that he's like what's all this talk about a deal? We don't need a deal.

[00:05:05]Why do we need to make a deal with the Iranians? Like there's we're worlds apart on the nuclear issue. We're worlds apart on intercontinental ballistic missiles. We're worlds apart on proxies.

[00:05:15]There's no deal to be made here. But we could just stop and come home and not support Israel anymore. And what are they going to do? Keep the Straight of Hermoose closed and make everyone in the world hate them forever doing something blatantly illegal? No. Eventually, they're going to have to stop and they'll just get to it. So anyway, the point being, short of whatever grip the Israel lobby has over Donald Trump, there's no law in logic that says we can't just do all of that. Okay, you're furious at Israel.

[00:05:44]tell Iran, you know what, we can't control Israel, but we're not helping them anymore. So, between you guys, they'd be fine with that. That'd be the be that'd be the best win they could hope for. That's exactly right. I'm with Jeffrey Saxs on this one. And in fact, the best scenario for the United States is there is no deal and the United States just pulls its military assets out of the region and preferably brings every last US soldier in the Middle East home. Actually uses them for defensive purposes for once, not for Israel's territorial ambitions and empire building experiments in the Middle East.

[00:06:20]Closes down all US-based bases in the region. A lot of that's pie in the sky.

[00:06:24]I don't think it's going to happen. But Trump could do that if he wanted the best thing for Americans. But he doesn't want the best thing for Americans. He wants to do the best thing to save face for him. But I think he's in it too deep at this far. He already decided to go with the David Bara, the head of Mossad, and Netanyahu's pitch to launch this strike in the first place. He's in too deep and he's facing a crisis where he can escalate and try to declare victory or walk away and be called a disaster. I think either way is going to lead to him calling being being called a disaster as so many dissident acknowledge and him fracturing the coalition that supported him and tanking his presidency handing the midterm to the Democrats. I think all of that's inevitable. But that is what the case is here and that's what we're dealing with. And yeah, I'm with Sachs. There doesn't need to be a deal.

[00:07:17]The art of the deal doesn't apply so successfully in the political realm as it did in the real estate realm. in New York as it turns out.

[00:07:26]>> Let's just do that.

[00:07:27]>> So Dave, again, we're talking at a perfect time because the proof is about to be in the pudding and uh and we're going to have a definitive answer. Uh and so, but let me break down what you're saying. So, uh Anna has a theory that uh that well, first of all, Brock Ravit is former Israeli intelligence, right? So, okay. Now that doesn't mean that he's not reformed, you know, and now in media, etc. But, uh, back in the Biden days, you know, we we are not normal Democrats or people on the left, right?

[00:08:01]So, normally, you know, you do propaganda for your side. That's like the old school way of doing media, but we started doing it new way 24 years ago, right? Where we're like, no, we're going to call out both sides. And so when Biden would do those strongly worded calls or letters to Netanyahu, we would mock him to no end. What a little [ __ ] right? Yeah. And as opposed to strongly worded conversations with Netanyahu under Biden, Trump writes strongly worded checks to Netanyahu to do whatever he wants in Gaza and Iran.

[00:08:35]That's the only difference between the two. Let's just be real.

[00:08:38]>> Oh, here's $21 billion to commit a genocide. But oh, but please don't. I beg you, Israel. I beg you not to kill all of them. Why are you begging them?

[00:08:47]How about >> one dude? Remember there was one week where he sold them weapons and asked them not to use the weapons he just sold them. There was one week where like he's I forget the type of bomb it was, but he gave it to him and then went, "Please don't use this." And then they used it.

[00:08:59]You're like, "Yo, dude, what is this?"

[00:09:02]>> Well, let's be real. Was Biden actually forgetting that he had given him those weapons at the time in which he said, "Please don't use the weapons. We might need to, you know, be a little bit consiliatory and charitable toward Biden after not even knowing what room he was in during half of his presidency." And that might be charitable to Biden. It's just >> It's pathetic. And you know, I hate it under both Biden and Trump because not only are we losing our sovereignty, but we're losing our self-respect. What is this graveling to a country the size of Papa New Guinea? That's their population. It's nearly identical. And it's and when you put in Papa New Guinea instead of Israel, everybody realizes how absurd it is. But it's because of, you know, mainstream media brainwashing that we think, no, no, Israel, like, yeah, even though they're tiny, they should control us. We should go into every war for them. we should pay do8 trillion dollars of the global war on Israel's neighbors. So, okay. So, Anna's theory is yeah, Barack Ravit has done this a hundred times. He basically works for the Israelis. Uh, and he did it under Biden. He did it under Trump just like you said, right? And so, these are all fake outs to make it seem like we're two different entities, but in reality, Israel calls the shots and this is all fake theater and drama. So, that's perfectly legitimate and maybe that's exactly what's going on. But if that's true, okay, then you have your answer.

[00:10:22]Israel's in charge. Okay. Now to exactly to your point now if you go to the other scenario that's the scenario that I was describing right so maybe in this case they really did have a blowup and Trump really is frustrated that doesn't sound unrealistic right he's like Netanyahu why are you making me destroy my reputation and my presidency and my country and my party and Netanyahu says shut up [ __ ] okay and now we're going to find out in that scenario well who's the [ __ ] Right. Who?

[00:10:54]>> Well, but I think we all know, right?

[00:10:56]Don't we already know? Isn't it already written in the stars? Haven't we actually faced this question so many times even in the last year and a half?

[00:11:06]I think we have. And I think it's telling that Trump just remains subservient to the Israel lobby. So again, even if he is angered at Netanyahu, it won't manifest into any withdrawal of aid, you know, ceasing of military support, ceasing of war operations on behalf of Israel and their ambitions. Clearly not in the interest of US citizens, many of which have turned from Trump over this very issue.

[00:11:33]because if he does, well, we have one antecedent that shows what happens to a president that does that toward the Israel lobby, and that was John F.

[00:11:43]Kennedy. And Trump doesn't want to get JFK. That's probably true. That's not to justify his behavior. But that seems to happen to anyone willing to stand against the Israel lobby from the annals of Washington as John F. Kennedy did. We talk about it a lot on the show. He tried to stop the Israelis under David Bengurian and the prime the prime minister of Israel at the time from taking nuclear secrets to build a nuclear weapons program. LBJ did not pursue that same strategy to keep that from happening. JFK also tried to get the Israel lobby namely the ACC, the American Zionist Council, the precursor organization to APEC to register under Farra. And that's what happened to him.

[00:12:28]So coincidence, I don't know. You be the judge, but this is what's in the cards for the entire US political system. It's not a pretty thing, but you know, it's worth exposing and talking about so many years later. The same thing plays out over and over. Who serves who, who's the overlord, and we're not, it doesn't matter what we say, and it doesn't matter what the religions are. What matters is what happens in the real world. So if we go back into this disastrous war and you everyone will see with their eyes, their own eyes how disastrous the economic fallout will be, it will be because Israel made us because because Trump doesn't want to be in, we don't want to be in. 80% of Americans don't want to be in. And so now again though, if it turns out that that was real, and I think that I don't know, there's some percentage chance it is real, right? And so I'm I'm with you.

[00:13:22]I'm not really sure what's happening here. I'm not as certain as Anna is about it. Right. And so, but if it is real and then Trump draws the line on Netanyahu and we leave, then great. Then we're not controlled by Israel.

[00:13:33]Terrific. Okay. Now, they still have massive influence. They got us into the war in the first place. They got us to do the first war. They got us to give them hundreds of billions of dollars.

[00:13:41]Now, they're looking to merge our militaries, which is insanity, right?

[00:13:45]So, but okay, apparently it's not 100%.

[00:13:48]But if we go back in, it is 100%. And so, you can't argue with it. You can you can call people anti-semmites and try to shut down the debate, but it's crystal clear what's happened. And and Dave, I think that like Israel has lost its mind, right? Netanyahu and all those guys. Uh and you know, I don't we can get into the culture of the population if we want. That's a separate topic. But the government has definitively lost its mind because here's an easy peace deal that American can make. And there and there there's two possibilities for Israel here. One is that we take Dave Smith's advice, which I couldn't agree more with. And and in fact, I'll just I think that there is a deal to be made. I disagree with Jeffrey Saxs just a tiny bit. What I if I was in charge, I'd go to the Iranians, go, "Hey, listen. You don't really care about the highlyenriched uranium. You were just doing that to make sure we don't attack you." Right? I get that it was for leverage. I know that there's a fatwa and I know that you don't have a missile that could deliver it anyway.

[00:14:43]Okay. So, and I and you've already agreed under the Obama deal and under two different peace offers that you let us take out the highlyenriched uranium and you you get some sort of energy program verified by international in international monitors. You open up the straight of hormones, we lift a blockade and we're done. We're done. There's no other interest at all. Their ballistic missiles countries are allowed to have ballistic missiles and their ballistic missiles can't reach us. So why do we care about their ballistic missiles?

[00:15:10]That's Israel's issue.

[00:15:12]>> Exactly. You can't expect the Iranians to agree to any agreement that deprived them of ballistic missiles. That's always been the most preposterous.

[00:15:20]Uranium enrichment. They were willing to negotiate on that to create a new JCPOA.

[00:15:26]They laid themselves out prostrate willing to go down to what was it 3.67% enrichment under the JCPOA in 2015 to 2018. And they were willing to send new diplomats to create a new agreement under Trump when he first walked out.

[00:15:43]And Jer and uh Steve Witco was supposed to negotiate that, but Trump chose the Israel lobby to collude with Netanyahu to launch this war twice, the first under the 12-day war. And I keep going back to that time where he displayed such anger and all the Trump fanatics were saying, "Hey, he actually despises Netanyahu. He wants him to stop. He doesn't want to be involved in the Middle East. But then a lot of us dissident, a lot of us critics on Israel on both the right and the left came out and said the Iran thing isn't over. It will never be over unless you completely depose the regime for the sake of Israel. Something that they've wanted for decades. It's the coup d'etra, the creme de la creme of the greater Israel project is to destabilize every country viewed as an adversary in the region to expand their borders and their territorial dominance. They're not going to stop sabotaging ceasefires and undermining any of our interests until that happens or the US finally uses leverage against them. Trump's unwilling to do the latter. So that's where we are today. Proxies. Other countries are allowed to have allies. We're going to tell you how to run your foreign. No, you must have Israel run your foreign policy. That isn't American interest at all. That's their business, not our business. And then at that point, if Israel wants to keep fighting Iran and Lebanon, go ahead. That's not our problem. That's your problem. No, you have to give me your military. No, we don't. You have to give me all your money. No, we don't. You have to fight all my enemies for me. No, we don't. You have to make me a regional and as you know who said potentially a global superpower. We have to make Papa New Guinea a global superpower. That's somehow an American interest. No. No.

[00:17:21]That's absurd. We don't have any of those interests. So, in that scenario, then Israel's screwed because Iran has a lot of drones. Yeah.

[00:17:31]>> And a lot of missiles. And Israel now realizes, uhoh, we might have messed with the bear here, right? So that's scenario number one. Scenario number two is they drag us into the war. Hey, they won. They got an American military and American soldiers to fight their war for them. No, but then gas is going to go up by a dollar and$2 and inflation is going to be horrific and the markets are going to crash. The markets are driven by lunatics at this point. I can't believe it hasn't already crashed, but it's it's inevitable. And then no matter how much propaganda mainstream media and the government does, and no matter how much they ban us from all the different western countries, it's not going to work. The dam is going to break. The dam's in the middle of breaking as we speak. But if they cause that kind of economic catastrophe here in America, Israel will be more hated than Jeffrey Dmer. Israel will be the most hated thing in America. And so, how does that help Israel? So, these lunatics have set up a lose-lose for both themselves and America and the world. So, why are we listening to the lunatics?

[00:18:38]Yeah, good question. And our entire foreign policy is driven by lunatics in the Israeli regime and their cutouts in the United States, their influence in the United States, particularly in the presidency and in Congress and in the bureaucracy and with the banks and the military-industrial complex drawing us in to this conflict that most Americans want no part of. But the Israel ship has essentially sailed with the American public. Yeah, Israel's still relatively popular with older people, especially people that watch Fox Fox News and corporate media outlets like CBS News ran by Barry Weiss and Ellis Key and Ellison. That's what they like. But younger people are turning away. And this has gotten exponentially greater in terms of the turnaway, the turnabout from Israel, let's say, in the last two years. And I don't think it's going to go back. That pendulum has shifted too far already. Not anytime soon at least.

[00:19:35]And Israel has made itself so hated.

[00:19:38]It's long been hated in the international community. But in the United States, it's sole, I should say, chief beneic benefactor, not beneficiary, benefactor, which has given it more aid than any other country since its advent. $300 billion just undermines us, breaks up our ceasefire, shatters our avenues toward peace. And for what?

[00:20:02]for this stupid foolhardy war they convinced our treacherous president to launch because they said a decapitation strike would be easy. Kill the supreme leader. They said you'll see victory in the streets. We'll be greeted as liberators. This regime change will work. This time it'll be different. Real regime change has never been tried.

[00:20:24]That's the line they sold to Trump. He bid it. Hook line and sinker. Even if you believe the New York Times piece that said virtually everyone else in his administration, including Iran hawks, like Marco Rubio and John Ratcliffe, did not want to launch the war. I'm sure I'm not totally sure to trust every aspect of that. It's hard for me to believe that Rubio and Ratcliffe opposed this thing, but we know that the buck stops at the president and the Oval Office, and he decided to launch this war in a full hearty way. Now we're in an energy crisis. Jenk is right about that. There will be economic setbacks. A lot of the investment firms and the banks had made their base case that the street of straight of hormuz would be open by June 1st. We're already a few days beyond that. And the markets weren't exactly like that with energy prices spiking and 20% of the world energy supply coming through that straight now with the uraniums charging tolls. But they're not going to go back from that. The United States is not going to pry the straight loose. The blockade hasn't fixed that.

[00:21:28]They haven't gotten anything that they had set out to achieve by attacking Iran. No regime change, no curtailment of the enrichment process, no stoppage of support for Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Houthis, the proxies. They're not getting any of that. What did we get instead? Billions of dollars of debt on top of a 39 close to $40 trillion debt.

[00:21:50]American soldiers in body bags, destroyed bases in places like Kuwait and Qatar and Jordan and other places throughout the region. A stupid war for a stupid purpose for Israel, not for the United States. But that's what we're going with right now. That's what Americans have to deal with as we pay more at the pump. And I'll tell you, I know a lot of people that couldn't give a rip about foreign policy or they just don't pay attention. Maybe they care, but their, you know, attentions are drawn otherwise. And that's forgivable if you have a family, need a support, you can't always keep your eye on the foreign policy pulse like people maybe that watch this show. But I'll tell you, everyone goes to the gas essentially and fills up their tanks and their cars and they see the ramifications of this war on their pocketbook. And nothing enrages people more than the just complete depletion of their wealth on the basis of something that was directly caused by this war and the closure of the straight of horm direct consequence of it. So here's Trump colluding with Gavin Newsome and AOC. You might as well call him a Democrat at this point because he's handing the midterms over on a silver platter. I don't think that there's that much difference between either aisle of the uni party except in terms of theatrics and presentation except for maybe on some social issues, abortion, maybe a little bit on immigration, maybe a little bit on guns and things like that. But oftent times, no matter who you vote for, you always get John McCain. But Trump is just doing the Democrats the biggest favor possible. you know, outspending them, you know, covering up the Epstein files and launching an Israel first war in Iran, essentially breaking all of his campaign promises, engaging in the most radical duplicity ever, and assuring the ascension of either President Gavin Newsome or President AOC potentially. I mean, it's a long way. A lot of things can change until then, but it's going to be a bloodbath for the Republicans, and the Democrats will come to power largely because of Trump's shortcomings. But that's what we're dealing with. What do you guys think? Do you think I'm right about this? What is the truth about that Axios piece? Is it all theatrics made to look like Trump's calling the shots? Or is he actually angered? Either way, I don't think we're going to get any change in policy in terms of Trump.

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