When a political party experiences electoral defeat, internal leadership crises often emerge, with multiple factions competing for control and the need for strategic policy shifts to regain public support. The 2024 UK local elections demonstrated how electoral losses can trigger leadership challenges, as over 40 Labour MPs called for Prime Minister Keir Starmer to resign, highlighting the tension between party loyalty and democratic accountability.
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today. Who do you want as prime minister if Starmmer goes? Should Britain have closer ties to the EU? And is it right to boycott Eurovvision over Israel? With me, Jeremy Vine.
Good morning. Welcome to the show. is 11th of May. I'm joined by journalist Yasmin Alabai Brown and former Conservative counselor Brian Coleman.
What a panel. What a panel. Here's what's on the show. First, who do you want as prime minister? K star is having a nightmare. He's facing growing calls to quit. Angela Raina has given him an alternator. Where's streeting is reportedly preparing a leadership bid.
But who would you choose? There's Burnham Raina Milliban there. What about a dark horse like Gordon Brown who's been summoned back? What about him then?
Should Britain have closer ties to the EU? Because I say that because this morning it seems Star is pulling hitting the emergency button and he's going to possibly say get us into or back into Europe or closer or whatever at the heart of his plan to stay in power. What do you think? Reform says he's desperate. Do you want to return to the EU though? Also, should fans boycott Eurovvision over Israel? Iceland, Ireland, Slovenia, Spain, Netherlands aren't taking part this year because of Israel. Critics say it's impossible to remain neutral with Israel taking part and there are double standards as Russia isn't allowed to compete. Fans are dividing. Should we all switch off or stick with it for the music? Then it's the papers and everything else including the military being parachuted onto a remote island to help with a hand virus case. Don't forget the rest of our brilliant daytime lineup as well. Storm, Alexis, Mata, Vanessa taking your calls through the day here on five. I show you how to get in touch. First, today's film poster question. We'll come to these figures in just a moment. Over here, Ella's cinema. And do you know which film that is? There we jolly well go.
Trying to think. Answer coming later on.
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So, Ella, show me the poster. We'll pause it there and we will give you the answer later on. Really boxing me.
Vinnie Jones as well. So, let's get straight into it. Gosh, what a weekend.
All the backwash from the local elections. We're asking, who do you want as prime minister? More than 40 Labor MPs are calling for Star to go. A senior minister claims his cabinet is even starting to turn against him. Angela Raina says this is Labour's last chance to win the public over. She says Starmmer needs to move the party to the left. Meanwhile, Wes Streeting has reportedly told Starma he's ready to be Labour's next leader. Katherine West, a Labour MP, says if the cabinet doesn't formally put forward a replacement soon, she will nominate herself. She would need the backing of 81 Labor MPs. This is what she said. What I'd like the cabinet to do is to reflect on the result from Thursday where the voters sent us a very strong message that we are not good enough. If you were a school failing an inspection report, you would take the head out, wouldn't you?
We have a problem. We have to move quickly to fix it because otherwise it will lead to uncertainty and we need to um install a new leader who can take us towards beating reform in the general election to come and give us a second term.
>> Well, This is an amazing situation because he won what 400 seats, 200 something majority and he's going to be out on his ear. Is he is he on his way star or can he hang on?
>> I don't think he can hang on. Um too much has gone on. Um but I also don't think the way the labor machinery works, it is so opaque and it is so um kind of lacking in well, how can I put it?
intelligence really, you know, the blocking of um uh Andy Burnham, the way the NEC behaved just what months ago.
>> Well, Star voted on that. He Star did turn up in person and vote against Andy Bernham getting a seat. So, there was a certain amount of was a certain amount of >> he said this weekend to the observer, I'm going to be here for 10 years. I mean, I don't know if he's living in the real world.
>> Margaret Thatch, do you think with that we're going to go on and on?
>> It is a bit. So, so Brian, what do you think is going to happen?
>> Well, I think the Labour party be very foolish to get rid of Stara. You know, we've been there as conservatives. We haven't recovered from our massive changeover of leader Boris and Truss.
And >> you had five in six years.
>> Five in six years. And the voters don't like it. The electorate don't like it. I I think they've got to stick with Star.
Mrs. Sash went through some rough times in the 1980s. The party stuck with her for 11 years.
>> I Yeah, I it's not impossible that Starmmer could stay. So let's just have a look over here at our leading figures.
So Starmer possibly could stay and it's it's based on what Brian said. If you know the tries had three prime ministers in one year including Truss. Labour don't want to get into that doom scrolling of different candidates.
Anyway, if they do Bernham needs to get a seat. He's currently mayor of Manchester. He is the current bookies favorite though. Raina is in there in the House of Commons. that helps her, but she's got this ongoing tax investigation over a property purchase that she needs to really sort out.
Streeting is seems to be lacking the visible presence in all this. He's biting his time. I think Milliband is very popular with Labour MPs. The big problem for him is that he's fought and lost an election as leader. And there's a wild card for you, Gordon Brown, who's just been brought back as some sort of global currency envoy or whatever. But again, he's fought and lost an election.
So these two may be out of it. If you're really going to be brutal about this, if StarMA goes and Burnham's not there, it's down to streeting Raina and you'd probably bet on Raina and she'd bring in Burnham. You're guessing, but we would love to know what you think about this.
And let's speak to our friend Plet Hamilton, Labour MP for Birmingham, Erdington. You've been very loyal. I know Plet, but you finally thought this is over, have you?
Yes, I um as you know I am a loyalist and when it comes to Saki I think as a person he's a wonderful man but Jeremy for months and months I've been saying the line has got to be crossed somewhere and it's the local elections and I have to add at this point I knocked hundreds of doors and we fought this even though it was a local election we fought it on national issues and with the national issues People were just saying to us, we we're not voting for you or they don't know or we don't like your leader. I won't do it in Brummy. But we were hearing it time and time and time again to the extent if you look at the results in Birmingham, in Sandwell and in other areas. People were voting in DJs. People were voting in paper candidates who were in bed or were at work and they had to be called in to be sworn in. They had not knocked a door. People just put their votes anywhere except Labor. And we lost some phenomenal people last week who were grounded politicians and needed they should have been given the opportunity. And can I had for all those who are saying we can't change our leader, we may as well in the keys to number 10 now. If we don't change our leader soon, we need an orderly transition, Jeremy, and we need to do a plan of when we want the when and Saki needs to do this, when he will leave and when we will have that transition. We don't need to be like the Conservatives, Jeremy, but we do need to do something because the British public have spoken and we cannot continue to pretend we've not heard.
>> I like the fact that it's so serious.
You're now you started voting in DJs.
That was a that's a a great line of what's happening in B. But listen, Plet, before we let you go, you're going to have to ch if he goes, you'll have to choose someone now. Ideally, who would it be? Let's say we've got Burnham on on, you know, as a possible. Who would it be? You're not going to like me, but I am not going to choose anybody because this is what we always do. Box off potential candidates that could come forward. So what I want to see is people that are interested to stand come forward state their case so we have choice right now in in the Labor party.
It's always been put down to two or three people and that's been part of our problem. Let me see if I can tempt you with the sudden arrival in our graphic of Tony Blair. Right. What about that boy? How would how would that suit you?
>> Generally, my all-time favorite is Gordon Brown. So, I love Tony Blair, but my all-time favorite, I'll have to be honest, would have been Gordon Brown.
And I wouldn't want to see Gordon has had his time. Tony Blair have had their time. I want to see who are the new trench that want to come through and want to be leader.
>> Thank you very much, Paul Hamilton.
Keeping a powder dry there. And I think that's the thing, isn't it? They're not quite in the space where they're ready.
>> She raised a very important point which actually I'm shocked that our political journalists who are on the inside and they know everything are not even stepping into that space which is why are we restricting this to these known characters, right? Why is the Labour Party so closed off and and so kind of uh uh I don't know what the word is that we can't see a a party as as talented as the Labour party celebrity politics. It is celebrity.
>> Can I finish? We've got fantastic um MPs. Yeah. who should be in the ring, who should be allowed, >> most of whom are like, for example, um, Stella Cesy, Clive Lewis.
>> Yes. But they're not household names in her own household. I mean, it >> I don't want household names because we've had that.
>> This is like saying when when why is the person who wins Strictly always one of the the the celebs on the show?
>> No, no, political party. This is not celebrity dancing. And we do need these people who are not in the cabinet. Why should it only >> Can you choose one for us?
>> No, I none of them.
>> All right, Tom in Manchester, can you choose one?
>> Oh, good morning. Good morning, Jeremy.
Good morning, panel. You know me, Jeremy. I know you.
>> The country has spoken. In the words of Kier himself, let it be perfectly clear.
We no longer want Kia. But I mean, I wouldn't choose any of them uh if I had the chance. But >> go on, give me one if you had to. If you someone had a, you know, a sort of a peashooter pointed at your head.
>> I certainly wouldn't pick the redheaded RA Angela Raina. If I had to pick any of them, it'd be West Streeting.
>> All right. Makes a lot of sense.
>> I'll put you down, Tom. As as a streeting. I appreciate all the reservations there. I think I'll put Blair off to the left, which is an unusual position for him.
>> I can't see any. And he is a proven winner. He's a proven w. You wouldn't want to say to Blair, "Can you get in?
What?
>> Don't put Blair up there.
>> Really?
>> Christ.
>> Is that triggering? Is it?
>> Yeah. Definitely not Blair.
>> All right. Thank you.
>> Desping their own death warrant there.
>> Thank you, Tom. Well, he won three elections. Blair Brown, Milliban Street.
>> If you're Starmer, you're thinking, wait, this this might work in his favor, I think, cuz it it's it's it's a bit landlocked, isn't it? After the break, you tell us. You put your name like Tom did under one of the names of our possible contenders. The bookies favorites are Burnham Raina Milliband.
So where is streeting in there? Give us a call with your thoughts. 0207862 is the number.
Before the rate we ask, which author has admitted they use chat GPT all the time?
Was it Horovitz, Broling, or Archer?
It's Anthony Horovitz.
But I think he yeah for plotting I think more than for writing I can't he writes long hand so how he would do it or Jack GPT I don't know but he says his growing reliance on AI leaves him feeling nervous later we'll be asking if Britain needs closer ties with the EU because this may be part of the whole Star reset. Now who do you want as prime minister? We'd love your vote here.
We've only had Tom so far. Oh can I put you down for Burnham? You just mentioned you >> they won't let him. No, no, but that's not the point. The point is all of we got to assume these are >> these are available. So, I'll stick you down there. Yasmin, you can withdraw your name if at any point it becomes embarrassing.
>> No, no.
>> Anthony in London. Hello. Or sorry, Martin in Doncaster. Hello.
>> Yeah, my choice, Jeremy, would be Angela Raina or Andy Burnham.
>> Which one in So, the two together with Raina as leader.
>> Yeah, probably because at least she can tell a good story. Yeah. I mean, she's got I know it doesn't sound very important, but accent >> good northern good northern accent >> and and look at the way she stands out in this row of suits. That's got to be a good thing. I guess it's just the house problem is still not resolved of how did she save 40 grand on stamp duty. Martin, do we know?
>> I don't know how long I don't know how it takes so long to Yes. No conclusion.
It's It's like um I don't Ed Miban's my MP and I hung him up a year ago and I told him this a year ago. Starman needed to go a year ago. You go around the pubs and the clubs and the supermarkets and we've been hearing this for a year. He's >> he's just he's just not liked um um Karma. It's not that he's not a good man. He is a good man. Yeah. But there's no passion in him. You I mean there's nothing relatable to people up north.
No, it's a str it's it's a strange thing of not connecting. Thank you, Martin.
Anthony in London, who would you go for?
>> I wouldn't go for any one of them. I think it's wrong for even the program.
>> I didn't hear a name, Anthony. Sorry.
What? What name?
>> I I would go for Stara.
>> Starma. Yeah. Well, that's a good >> Exactly.
>> It's not out of the question that he survives this.
>> Yeah. No, no, but you're making the assumption that he's gone by saying who would you pick? He's not gone. It's looking dice.
>> Been elected for for five years.
Remember that.
>> Yeah. So Boris Johnson. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. But it's anti-democratic.
You know, we I I called up about 2 months ago and I predicted exactly this that in the end this is all trying to get a a force force a general election.
All this is, you know, trying to get Star out.
>> Understood. Thanks, Anthony. Let's get Sorry, I just want to get some more more votes on the boards if I can. Peter and Wolverampton, who can we offer you today?
Well, none of nobody on the board.
Jeremy, I've got a dark horse and it's Nissa Nandi who stood for the leadership in 2020 and came third.
>> Lisa Nandi. Okay. Wigan MP. Yeah.
>> Yeah. She's in the cabinet. She's very quiet, very uh considered, and I think she's going to come through and win cuz all the others are ruled out for one reason or another.
>> You wouldn't want to bring If you just rang up Blair, what would you say to him?
>> I'd say stay away.
>> Okay. Thanks, Peter. John in London.
What do you think?
Hello, Jeremy.
>> All right, John, come on. You're going to I'm going to test you here, John. I know you don't support Labor, but give us a name.
>> You've mentioned four and none of them are any good. Wouldn't fit the bill.
What they've got to do is find a young person uh they've got four under to choose from.
a young person with good ideas like Tony Blair had when he became prime minister, right? New blood. They want all the old blood. They're bringing back dinosaurs like Gordon Brown. He ruined the country with his extra money for the sick and elderly.
And the four you've mentioned, none of them are any good.
>> Okay. Thanks, John. Tracy and Cornwall, who are you going to put your name beside? I'm going to put it towards Kiss.
>> Oh, Tracy Moyer. He's in the lead in our little poll. Are you Tracy with an E or without an E?
>> Uh, without an A.
>> Brilliant. I do approve of that. Thank you. Very good. So, he's now in the lead in this dramatic contest. Why do you think he can stay or should stay? um because I think the country needs stability and my local MP um is absolutely phenomenal and I would absolutely hate that we lost our local Labour MP.
>> Are you that's well it's a Labour Go on tell us who it is.
>> Uh Karen Moon.
>> Okay. So she she would that would be a previously a Lib Dem seat I'm guessing.
So there's one of those seats that they uh or or maybe Tori even. And I don't know, but it's one of those seats he won that they would lose if they had an election, I guess. Thank you, Tracy.
William is other end of the country.
Remember, hi, William.
>> Good morning, Germany and panel.
>> So, what do you think, William? Go on, choose one for us. I know you're going to be It's going to be hard to tempt you.
>> Yeah, I know. Probably Andy Burnham, but definitely not Gordon Brown. I mean, people forget he brought in university fees. He robbed the pension funds, and he also the banking crisis. to save our money like any government would do, but to let the leaders off as normal, >> the rich bankers.
>> Do you think they can get Burnham a seat >> eventually? Yes. But it's all what you want at the end of the day. And they have to get back to their working class roots. That's what's killed the Labor Party. What they did at the beginning, attacking the pencil and the disabled, the what people couldn't believe how disillusioned they were when they seen that, but that's what started it.
>> Thank you, William. Thank you. There's the thought of for for you two brilliant politicos is how possible it is to get burn on the seat in normal times you could push someone into the house of lords give burn on the seat it wouldn't be a problem however a bi-election which featured Andy Burnham would become a national bunfight >> and there would have to be a bi-election for the mayoralty of Greater Manchester >> which reform might win >> which reform might win so I I I mean if you've got a well- paid political job with real power which Bernham has got why would you give it Why get why does Sadi Khan carry on as mayor of London? Because he's got a well- paid, powerful, influential job and >> and he's done a very good job >> in your opinion. He's done a very good job in talking about Burnham Manchester.
>> Could you get Burnham into a seat?
>> Yeah. But I don't think I really think we have to remember what happened just a few months ago. Star fears Burnham more than anybody else. And if he said blatantly, I'm going to be there for 10 years. What's the first thing he's going to do?
>> Oh, he's going to block Burnham again.
Yeah.
>> Yeah. Okay. David in Southport, can you choose one for us, David?
>> Well, um, can I say a couple of months ago, the economy was recovering. We had two interest rates in a in two or three months.
>> Yes.
>> And then Trump put his foot in it in Iran with the Netanyahu. And ever since then, everything's gone up in the air >> after fair enough. I mean, there's always going to be world events. You could go if you need experience you can go back to the retreads Blair Brown Milliband or you can go new streeting Raina Burnham or you can stick with what you've got.
>> No, I'll have uh Raina and Lisa and Andy.
>> Oh, you're Lisa and Andy as well. Are you Dave? That's interesting.
>> Yeah, Lisa and Andy smile. She'd win anything.
>> What was that in here?
>> Lis and smile. She'll win anything.
>> Okay. Thanks, David. Yeah, we've got her as a definite reserve next time we do this. Thank you. Mike in Derby, who would you choose, Mike?
>> Hi, matey. Uh, no question about it.
>> Andy Burnham, >> right?
>> The people of Manchester think he's the answer. He's the bee's knees and he's done a hell of a lot of good up there.
So, he's got a good track record and I think we should follow that through.
>> Do you think Starmer can block him again or would that be curtains for Star if he did?
Dharma should never be anywhere near politics.
>> Well, he is.
>> He's a lawyer. He's got in he's got in power under false pretenses. It's absolutely disgusting. It really is.
>> Well, it's this we keep coming back.
Thank you. M to this manifesto where all the election campaign where things were said which >> he just it's I don't know whether they were lies but smash the gangs didn't happen. Everyone getting an NHS dentist didn't happen. We're going to stop working people facing tax rises.
Arguably that didn't happen because because is there a lesson here? Do you think >> it was all part of a really cynical strategy?
>> Well, it was >> and they had not done the work. This was the least prepared party for government we've ever known. They had not got a plan to do anything. They couldn't see past the election day. They couldn't see past. We had the whole Sue Gray debacle.
Uh there was absolutely no plan.
>> Okay, more calls after the break. Who do you want to replace? Gear Starmmer as prime minister. Here you go. You can see the list. Starmmer in office may stay.
Burnham Rainer Streeting right behind him. And then the retreads. Milliban Brown Blair. What about it? 0207862.
See you shortly.
Before the break, we asked why has a Ukrainian dog recently made headlines?
Looks like Chewbacca. Its fur has turned green or it ran to doggy daycare alone.
And the answer is its fur has turned green.
You can see a picture of the dog whose name is not Chewbacca. Look at that. For no reason. For no reason. Later we'll be asking if fans should boycott Eurovvision because Israel's taking part. Some other countries have pulled out. Should the UK have done the same?
So I'm just going to show you before we go on talk a bit more about star this whole council election result thing because obviously it happened elections were on Thursday we were still getting results at the weekend so we haven't really caught up on it properly but these are the key figures here. Labor down nearly 1,500 seats so on about a thousand reform because they had virtually none to start with those are almost all gains. So they're now above Labor in terms of seats in England of of those contested we should say uh because they're not not didn't all come up. Lib Dems had quite a good night. Greens had a pretty good night as well. So then the key thing are the national results in Scotland and Wales. Labour's collapse.
They were they were at a low base anyway, but their further collapse meant the S&P stayed in power in Scotland. And the really wild one was the well Welsh Senith elections.
Now here you've got 96 seats. You've got quite a lot in play and Labour were completely crushed here down 35 to9.
That leaves Ply Cry the Welsh nationalist on 43 and Reform Nigel Faraj's party on 34. Isn't that amazing?
So of the 96 7 of the seats are with reform and ply Cry who aren't exactly buenom buddies. So they're not quite as a majority here but they've done very well. They'll have to find maybe they'll go in with the Oh, who would you go in with if you applied Camry? Probably the Lib Dems plus Greens. It's not that easy, but they're gonna try and do it.
Anyway, your calls on replacing StarMA as prime minister. We've given you some options. We're writing your names down.
Do tell us what you think. 0207862.
On the phone, we've got Andy and Warikshire. Who would you choose?
>> Hi there. Um, I've got two. Uh, Angela Raina and one that you haven't got up there, Shabbana Mimmude. Ah, you know, I was arguing for Shabbana earlier because she definitely sees herself as a candidate, but she hasn't got a chance because they think she's too rightwing.
>> She's the Conservative's nightmare.
>> She is a Conservative's nightmare.
>> She would be a problem for the Conservatives. That's true. Think go Andy.
>> They're two They're two very strong women. And I think that it's about time you had another person in there that says this woman's not for turning to sh.
>> That's true. But I I saw a story at the weekend that was fascinating, which is that Star says to Raina, "Can you come back into my cabinet?" Raina says, "Only if you get rid of Shabbana." So I don't think they've worked together. Thanks, >> Eddie. And if I can and if I can say this quick, if you if you look back at Ed Davyy, he ignored the post office.
>> Um Ed the Yeah. The lady in the Conservatives, I can't remember her name. She hacked into Harriet Harmon's emails, >> Kimmy B. Not a long time ago. Party.
Yeah. K. Yeah. But they've all things that people have done bad. So they've none of them have got anything to, you know what I mean? So >> yeah, she the thing was housing minister when she didn't pay stamp duty. Thank you Andy Stuart in North Yorkshire. Hi.
>> Yes. Hi there. I I think Zack Fansky or Sheila Fogerty. I think they will do really really well. Sorry, I'll just put my reading.
>> Sheila Fogerty is a presenter on LBC.
>> Oh, sorry. Who's the lady in the middle?
>> Angela Raina. Angela at the ginger raider, please. Angela, I'll put I'll put you down for Angela. Sheila will enjoy that.
>> That's great. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
>> If you're if you're a friend of Sheila's and you're watching, do let her know about that. That's a great moment where she's been nominated. She won't know she's been nominated for the label leadership. Thank you, Jack in Muryside.
Hi, >> Jack. Um, >> hi Jack. Hi, Jack.
>> Is what I'd say about this quite seriously. You look at the track record, it's got to be um Burnham. Otherwise, Angela Rain would stand a chance if she paid the $4,000 to a disabled children's charity. But is what I'd like to know from you, Jeremy, what does the great Donald Trump think? Can you give us a one on that?
>> Oh, um, you know, to be honest, they're all stone cold losers.
>> I wouldn't give him a chance of, uh, anything really. I'd stick with Star because I know the guy. Thank you, John in Liverpool. Hi.
>> Go on, John.
>> I think Jeremy Corbyn should be invited back into the Labor Party.
>> Well, okay. Now, that's interesting. You say >> a reason.
>> Why are you laughing?
>> Because the man is a joke. He led Labour to the worst election defeat in 100 years.
>> Johnny's a joke, says Brian.
>> You never This is a lie. This is a lie.
Never.
>> What? 2019 of Manglesson who was really the worst person in England at the moment destroyed Jeremy Corbyn. Jeremy Corbyn was a decent person.
>> Oh, it was all a conspiracy. Yes. I'm sorry. Corbyn did it on his own.
>> It's not a conspiracy. It's not a conspiracy. It's the truth.
>> Corbyn destroyed the Labour party singleanded.
>> Could you choose one from the board, John?
>> Second. Excuse me. A close second be Andy Bham.
>> Okay.
>> The simple reason he's another man of principles. He's only all rights sided being since Tony Blair. You need someone from the left who's an actual socialist who will stick up for the people.
>> Thank you very much.
>> What you don't need in a Labour party a socialist. You don't need a socialist one.
>> I don't think it's your place to tell the Labour Party what it needs. We don't have to listen to you.
>> Darren in Portsmouth. I >> Oh, yeah. Go on. Sorry, I can't hear you.
>> Can you hear me? Fantastic. I was saying Andy Bernham was a really disappointed of you. However, I'm quite concerned prime minister.
>> I can't hear you, Darren. I'm so sorry.
I heard the word Bernham, but I don't know if you were for or against. Good luck getting that fixed. Brenda in London. Hi.
>> Well, hello.
>> Now, I could give you Blair Brown Milliban Streeting Rainer Bernham Starmer. I think Andy Bernham, he did wonders for the people of Manchester with the with the um stadium bombing and and the Hillsboro road and he's cared about the people. He actually cares about people which Dharma doesn't. It's all theory with him.
>> I love him. And you would do a switch, would you, if you could? Or would you stick with Star if you could?
>> Never stick with Star. I said that right from the beginning. He wasn't the right person. He only narrowly beat Andy Vernon all those years back. um for the leadership of the party very narrowly and that was there's a sort of um um one or two MPs who voted were influenced by untrue things and that's I think that's how he got the vote over Bernham but Andy Bernham is the natural leader of of the Labour party also the Labour party is one of the largest socialist parties in Europe and um and it has many many many members and um and and And it's not about left and right wing. It's about the principles of the Labour Party and Veron and Vernon represents those principles.
>> All right. Thank you, Debbie Buckimshire. Hi.
>> Hi. Good morning. Um, I agree with the lady that just spoken. Firstly, once farmer is out of the way, I think he can't block Bernham and Andy Bernham did so much for the people of Manchester and Liverpool pushing through law. Obviously with Hillsbor law comes greater public accountability for your actions and right now I think we need that from all of the politicians. They all need to be more.
>> This is interesting isn't it?
>> Thank you so much D.
>> But you know what we haven't even mentioned the fact that streeting and star have the shadow of Mandlesson over there.
>> Well I have mentioned that. Yeah I mentioned it earlier. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Brian, >> sorry. Burnham's only doing well because the public have no idea what he stands for. No idea at all. He's not been in government for >> so patronizing these people know exactly.
It's a horrible Let's just Let's just tally uping thing to say it's all kicked off over here. Let's just tally up the scores here.
>> Zero zero zero one four Looking interesting. Let me do your four properly Angela. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, and only two wanting StarMA to stay. How interesting. Thank you so much. That was excellent to to get that straw poll. Not scientific, but still interesting.
Later, we'll ask if fans should boycott Eurovvision because Israel is taking part. After the break though, do you think Britain needs closer ties to the EU? Cuz that's now coming up as part of this Labor crisis. 0207862.
See you after the break. Before the break, we asked, what is doom jobbing?
we gave you working in a job you hate pulling putting off doing your work or repeatedly applying. It is repeatedly applying for jobs cuz doom scrolling is that thing you do on social some people do just going from one little video clip to another and it is the biggest problem in the world.
>> It is and it makes you so depressed.
>> Yeah. Because it's just fights. Do what do you have on your feed? Oh, >> it's just fighting.
>> It's not just fighting. It's a >> The world seems to be on fire. It's like everything else in life. You just got to be disciplined. If you use social media in a disciplined way, it's fine. It's to be enjoyed.
>> But but if if you just sit at it, look at it all day. I mean, I can see why people you can see why people have mental health issues.
>> Let's still come up in a moment. Should Britain have I thought it said should Brian have closer ties to the EU? That's coming. Should Britain have closer ties to the EU? Star's promised he will be fullthroated about the need for a stronger relationship with Brussels. Is that what the country needs or yet another thing that we weren't told about in the manifesto? 0207862.
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Just in this century. So, should Britain have closer ties to the EU? Tell us what you think. This morning, StarMA will set out his new vision for the country as he fights to stay on he's expected to focus on Brexit and resetting our relationship with Europe. And part of his plan could include a youth experience scheme which would allow young EU and British citizens to work and study in each other's countries. Last week there was speculation that we could pay Brussels for more involvement in a single market which could amount to1 billion pounds a year. Brian, is this the route to success for him?
>> Well, of course, obviously not. It's not going to win back any reform v voters, is it? Uh, and even in the Green Party, you've got Euroskeepics. I mean, to coin a phrase, Brexit should mean Brexit.
>> Yeah, but it it hasn't meant Brexit, has it? It's meant >> Well, successive governments have messed it up. Well, we've either got to move conservatives were the ones who >> Yes. I I mean, >> so we've either got to move closer or further away. We could probably agree that.
>> Well, I I I think we're just about fine where we are to be frank and we don't need the Arasma scheme which is a hugely expensive scheme. It's a huge young people, Brian.
>> That's for young. Yes.
>> Yeah. But I mean, >> yes. I can still vaguely remember being young, you know, decades ago. Do you think we should I mean I thought StarMA was going to announce something like we're we're going to say officially we should back be back in the EU and by this morning it had been watered down to we're going to allow young people to have their holidays over there. So I don't quite know what's going on here.
>> Well, he's all over the place but I think public opinion has shifted massively since we >> think local elections. Do you think the local election's been Can I speak? Yes.
>> Public opinion it's not me. It's facts here they are. public opinion has shifted quite a lot towards closer links. A big mistake was made and you don't have to trust me. Uh you Guff polling is suggesting a majority now want closer links with Europe and and that would be a good thing but I don't think >> I uh I don't think that is the key.
>> Not back in Jasmine.
>> Yeah. But I have a few more kind of I was very passionately EU once upon a time.
>> The EU response to Gaza has so disappointed me >> that I'm now beginning to be a little bit more wary.
>> Wow.
I I'm not able to articulate what I feel and I do feel that there's been a massive massive failure. That said, that said for young people that is the future. But if Starmmer thinks that's what's going to reverse and in that sense I do agree with Brian his fortunes he's really mistaken.
>> Well it's it's I suppose he's a bit like a jockey going to choose a different horse and he's going to get on it. It's just >> he's being advised. He just listens. He has no ideas of his own.
>> Well this is the big this is the big unspoken thing. Hang on. In politics we are lacking a party that says our policy is to go back into the EU. God only knows it's not their policy. I've asked them about this loads of times. They said, "Well, we've got to accept that we're out." So they because the reason is they just don't want to they remember that strange party that was set up by Chuka Amuna and other people which just vanished and they don't want to go into that what they see as a dead zone. But Yasmin's point is it's becoming a bit livelier now. There are quite a few people who want to go back in. Brian, >> oh, I think the issue is dead and for goodness sake, we we tore ourselves away.
>> It's like saying somebody won our election, so we don't need any.
>> You have you have a refere you have a referendum. It makes the decision for generations. It's like we had a referendum on PR. We've had referendums on >> we never we were never told by the disgraceful Cameron what we were actually being tested on, what the validity was, >> what the conditions were. He was so lazy and so poor at at leading the >> sorry that referendum had the highest turnout of any vote any election for >> but we didn't know he didn't specify Britain's turnary was it forever but how can it be forever vote out we will leave he said that >> yes he did say that and >> he did campaign to stay as well so no he did not define it >> maybe this is Shelly in Newcastle do we need to go back to Brexit and have Starma lead us back He's good about bringing people.
>> I'm so sorry, Sh. Let's we'll get you try and get your phone sorted out. I'm sorry it's not working. Derek in Northampton. What do you think?
>> Oh, good morning everybody.
>> I have three reasons why it would not be a good idea to rejoin the EU. First one is that the cost of our contribution to the EU budget would be a lot greater than it was when we were last in the EU because that was subjected to a rebate negotiated by Mrs. Thatcher which would no longer apply. The second reason is I think a lot of people voted for Brexit because they were concerned about the high level of free movement. So perhaps people would not want to see a return to that. But the free just been replaced by boats and all that. That's the problem. Okay. Yeah.
Third reason.
>> And the third reason would be that I suspect that quite a number of or some EU members could get into economic difficulties in not too distant future and countries like ourselves would be looked upon to bail them out financially.
>> Yeah, actually that third one is a very good point. The EU may itself cease to exist. it was more likely we exist in 200 years than the EU.
>> Well, none of us knows that.
>> We don't know. But they've had one major financial crisis.
>> But I think for the young people who often didn't have the vote when the referendum was st for them, if you talk to young people all the time, all polls show they want closer relationships.
>> Yeah. But there will be I guess intent >> not young people that I mixed with Yasmin.
I'm sure young minded call Shel back. I feel bad for Shel because her phone wasn't working and she's a great person to call. Um, we got Amanda. Whereabouts are you in the country, Amanda?
>> Uh, Lancasher. Bolton Lancasher.
>> And do you think Star could save his premiership by saying, "Okay, listen up everyone. We're heading back towards the EU."
>> Um, I don't think he could actually save it, but I do think we should be back in the EU.
Um the younger generation, which includes my two children, uh one who couldn't vote at the time, uh would both be very uh very much pro-EU.
In fact, one of them actually lives in the EU now, what's class as the EU.
>> Yeah, it's >> a lot away from these youngsters. Yeah, I I guess we we there is as Yasmin says a big majority among the young, but they didn't for some reason they didn't really pull their weight in the actual referendum and >> No, they weren't the right age some of them.
>> Well, yeah, but they were still older voters outnumber younger voters.
>> Yes. You mean they were 10 or 11 or 12?
>> Well, no, I'm talking about younger voters at the time didn't vote in big enough numbers. That was a >> They did though. But the other thing is Yes. I find it really amusing. The time is coming when all the complaints about the long cues when you go on holiday in Europe will will burst into our media.
Well, why do you think that is?
>> Well, because we >> go on holiday in Britain, I always argue.
>> No, this is because we left the EU.
>> But is that but if it's all about I always think if the if it's all about just having longer cues or not then >> No, that what people don't >> all we're getting is shorter cues. It's a lot of money to pay.
>> When I left university in 1986 in Durham, I had, you know, let's say I had a circle of 25 friends, everyone went to work in London. Not a single person said, "I'm going to work in France. I'm going to work in Spain. I'm going to work in Italy." Just never happened. And that was right when we were at the heart of things in the all those jobs, all those opportunities. Nobody did it. And I can't sort of work out why that was.
It's almost as if we were told we could work over there, but nobody did. Well, maybe opportunities were massively available, but >> lots of Europeans want to come and work in London >> and lots of our people even post Brexit, do they?
>> Well, I don't French accents as I used to.
>> Well, I see a lot more Americans were working here.
>> We hear a lot of Eastern European accents in our high streets these days, particularly in London.
>> Well, they've been here a long time.
Yeah. Well, >> you don't think it's a good >> It's a good strategy, Brian, for one party to be the people you vote for if you want to go back in.
>> Oh, it's yesterday's issue, is it? And and if a country keeps tearing itself apart over EU, we will never move on.
It's yesterday's issue. Britain has got to look at the fresh challenges, look at building links with uh Canada, United States, Australia, New Zealand, uh trade deals, Africa, uh you know, India, India. We've got a good fairly good relationship with India.
>> Amanda, thank you for your call.
Lorraine in Portsouth. Hi.
>> Hi. Hi.
>> What do you think Star is saying? Look, we're we're now the EU party.
>> Yeah. No, I'm totally agreeing with him.
I think he's he's doing a a great job.
Um the thing that I'm really angry about is the gentleman you've got on your show talking around David Cameron and the the way that it was sold to people. There was a lot of misleading. There was a lot of lies. No one ever talks about that.
And the fact is he wasn't expecting to get in. He got into the the he got into the country. He got the conservatives in and then within weeks he said I'm off.
He's gone and and and left the country to it. It >> Yeah. So he he got he won in 2015 partly because he had that promise about you'll have a referendum because he was scared of UKIP and reform. And you're right.
But when he lost the referendum he left.
But then that's I suppose that's ancient history. He couldn't have stayed on, could he?
>> You know, you would never believe that Brian belongs to a party which is utterly failing.
>> The super confidence with which he speaks, the Tories are falling, Brian, they're falling.
>> It's a temporary blip in a long history in a in a centuries long history.
>> But if you look at Chem Bay, she's doing better than William Hey was doing at this point in the cycle. bathing is good news and popular most of the reform voters were extoories.
>> Well, I'm not sure about that. Most of the reform most of the reform leaders I did not make that up.
>> Most of the reform leadership are extord rather rudely as the Tory toilet. Is that true?
>> Well, well, we've got rid of a lot of people. Some of us are delighted they've all gone.
>> Oh, I see you see it that way. Okay, I wasn't. Yeah, that's interesting. Okay, Lorraine, thank you. Raymond in Barkshire. Hi, Raymond. Hello Jeremy.
>> Well, >> can I talk about the EU >> please?
>> We should never go back to the EU because the EU is going backwards. They never can agree anything. All they do is talk, but they have no action. And another thing is they don't really want us back anyway.
>> That's probably true. But but um we although I think actually there was a very good piece in the times at the weekend by a guy called Ben Judah who said that is the biggest myth that they don't want us back. They do. They really really do. And I can see it's possible they could want us back but we might have to go back in and and join the euro Raymond. That I mean I think we wouldn't be able to keep the pound if we join.
But Raymond we're not prospering outside. That's the point.
>> We Yes. But that's nothing to do with the EU. If you the the countries in the EU no longer agree with each other >> and they they they have a bigger problem with refugees as we do. So they're never going to take any of ours back.
>> What possible use would the EU do to us except use our money?
>> Well, we they be I mean look, I'm not trying to argue from any personal position here, but the answer people would give you is that they would be a trading partner. They're very big trading partner and they're very close and there's no one to touch them in that respect.
>> We can trade within with them anyway. We don't have to be in there to trade with them. But if you notice, do you do you take the French? Did the French do anything to help the Iran problems except talk about it?
>> Well, they stayed out of it. Yeah, but I mean that's what we did.
>> That's what we've done. We stayed out of it.
>> Thanks, Raymond. Jillian in London. What about you? Do you think that they should that that the star should say we're now the party of going back in >> in the war?
>> What?
>> In the war?
>> In the war?
>> Not No. Do you mean in this country or do you mean in the war?
>> No, I mean the EU. Should should star say Labour will take us back in?
>> I don't know whether Labour will I'm regretting uh voting for Miss Mr. Starmer in the first place. I would would have rather vote for Kem Ben what I know now.
>> Which part of the country? Which which is your constituency there?
>> Oh, okay. So, you're Yeah. Labour Houndslow, I guess, area.
>> Eing.
>> Yes. Thank you, Jillian. Later, the papers and everything else find out who were the winners and losers during last night's TV after awards. After the break, we're asking if fans should boycott Eurovvision because Israel's taking part. Russia isn't allowed to compete. 0207862.
See you shortly.
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>> And horrible.
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>> Low paid jobs of delivery drivers are under pressure. Clog up the roads.
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>> Absolutely awful.
>> Absolutely awful.
>> Later, it's the papers and everything else we need to talk about, including the news that Punsy Bear, the children in need mascot, will speak for the first time.
>> Now, we want your calls on this. Should fans boycott Eurovvision over Israel's involvement? and 0207862 is the number. The contest kicked off in Vienna last night. This year marks 70 years of Eurovvision, but it could be overshadowed by controversy. Five regular entrance won't be taking part.
Iceland, Ireland, Slovenia, Spain, and the Netherlands all boycotting. They say it'll be impossible to remain neutral and that there are double standards given that Russia is not allowed in.
Israel's entrant Gnome Betan has one of this year's stronger songs. Have a listen.
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>> So we've got Yeah. Iceland, Ireland, Slovenia, Spain, Netherlands boycotting.
Do you think we should boycott?
>> Absolutely. But we won't because Star is such a such a is wedded to to Israel. We have to remember since the so-called peace deal. Let's not even go back. Um not an hour of peace has been maintained by Netanyahu. One thing we have to remember, it's not about Israel. It's about Netanyahu's government. That's >> Is it about Jewish people? Yes. No. No.
Is it about Jewish people?
>> It's about Netanyahu and the number of the dead and what's happening to people in Palestinians in detention. And we we just allow it to happen and the double standards. Russia can't come, but Israel can come.
>> Are you serious about tackling anti-semitism in this country? Are you serious about it? Because if you are, if you are, get off this bandwagon. Get off this anti-Israel nonsense. Stop talking about >> excuse me killing Franco ran Spain Spain was in let Yasmin sayians >> killing Palestinians is wrong Jewish people >> killing Jews is right >> and a lot of people >> killing Jews is right I >> I want you to say that killing Jews >> no I will not say it I will not say what you want me to say I'm asking you I'm telling you for Jewish people in this country in Israeli Even what's happening is appalling. They hate what's happening. It's Netanyahu's government, not Israel. The state of Israel the killing of Jews.
>> I do condemn the killing of Jews. But I want you to see what about Palestine. I happy to condemn led that way. I'm glad I completely I'm completely happy to condemn the killing of innocent Palestinians. I'm not happy to condemn the killing of Hamas Hamas terrorists.
Those babies killing of pregnant women there.
>> Discussion of this subject just adds to the anti-semitic agenda.
>> No, it does not.
>> It does add to the anti-semitic agenda.
>> Did you march at the weekend? I went to the rally yesterday in White Talk where tens of thousands of Jews and non-Jews uh and Ed Davyy spoke and Richard Ty spoke and Kevin Badnaugh spoke and Pat McFadian spoke and the chief rabbi spoke and they made all made excellent speeches. But I didn't see many I didn't see you there. Yes, >> I wasn't there.
>> No, would but you would would you go to something like that or not? Look, I I am I'm not at all happy with what we where we we've ended up where so many Jewish people are feeling afraid. And I've written about it and I've spoken about it. But when you defend Palestinians, that is not anti-semitism. And it's a lie.
>> But you go further than that. Yas mean you call prominent British society figures uber Zionist. You did it on Twitter. You did it on Twitter.
>> I mean, why did you do that? Didn't you feel that was anti-semitic? Because they are. Didn't you feel that was an anti-semitic tweet to call British public figures uber Zionist?
>> You just muddle everything up, don't you?
>> Let's go. Let's go to Alex in London.
Alex, hi.
>> Hi.
>> Do you think Israel should be in the Eurovvision Song Contest? Or if rather if they are, we shouldn't be.
>> Uh well, um I've got an answer to both of those. I think Israel shouldn't be in the Eurovvision Song Contest. um as they're actively u participating in war and they have been for some time and um yeah I I think um we we'd be uh perfectly right to uh boycott it if we wanted to but but certainly the first question should be why are Israel taking part in the first place when Russia or not?
>> Brian I I I mean words fail me uh words just fail me. There is a anti-semitism is rife presumably in Gsters. Rose, have you got any Jewish friends? Rose um Jewish Alex in London you're talking to. It's Alex in London.
>> Oh, sorry. It's Alex in London.
>> Uh yeah. Yes, I do. But um also quite a few Jewish people have taken a stand against the Netanyahu government.
There's a lot of Jews that they've been shown to actually burn.
>> So So you think that that pop song that we've just seen the video of is representing the Netanyahu government?
It's representing the state of Israel.
>> That's a good point, Alex. Thank you.
Rosen Glostser. What about that point that the the people who are singing the song for Israel might be totally against the war in Gaza?
>> I I don't know about that, but all I remember is when Eurovvisions first started, they were people they were the countries from Europe.
>> Yes, true.
>> They weren't from Australia and Israel.
They Yeah. No, I agree. Well, that would be one way to which at the time was run by General Franco and we were happy to take part in your originals on contest when Franco ran Spain. Was it was it were they in then Spain was in Eurovision on contest under Franco dictation.
>> So you would say Rose would you just keep it to European countries and then you sort the problem?
>> Yes. It's Eurovision so it should be Europe.
>> You still have Russia in it though.
>> Yes. If that's in Europe.
>> Well I think it well Eastern Europe.
Yeah. I mean Asia. It's got 12 time zones hasn't it? I think. Thank you.
Rose Robin in Glstersia. Hi.
>> Oh hi.
>> Go. Gsters is busy today.
>> We are. Yes. even even more. But um no, I think um I'm very biased because I'm sick to death of Eurovvision contest anyway.
>> Oh yeah.
>> Um but I mean I can't bear it. But I think Yeah, boycott. Um I think many countries boycott this the better, I think.
>> But you you seem like you're saying boycott it because of the music.
>> Well, both or boycott it because of Israel.
>> Good point. But both actually politically more. But I think, you know, but I just think it's an appalling show and I just think Yeah. Um Yeah.
>> Yeah. I know. So, you you feel that the Israeli entry to Eurovvision is somehow waving a flag for the war in Gaza.
Correct.
>> To Yes. To a degree. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Iran's playing in a World Cup.
>> I mean, what's the difference? I don't understand. You'd ban Iran from the World Cup.
>> Well, I mean, listen, we have North Korea at the Olympics >> and we have North Korea World Cup torturing.
>> I would I would The sports washing and arts washing has to stop.
>> Or or you just say everyone takes part, you know.
>> No, >> not everyone. And actually, >> just Israel. Just Israel.
>> No, no. I've just said to you, I would have you choosing not to to remember what I've just said to you >> because you're choosing to be specific against Israel. And that's what you constantly do. Russia, I'm very pleased Russia is banned, but I want Israel banned, too.
>> Okay. Stella in Kent. Hi.
>> Hi. Okay.
>> What do you think? Eurovvision. Israel.
>> Uh, well, my own personal opinion is I think they should cancel Eurovvision altogether. This is now getting far too political. If it's not going to be Israel this year, it's going to be someone else next year. I haven't watched it myself for quite a while because I know we don't come anywhere when we do perform.
>> So I think personally speaking the best thing to do is to cancel it ever more then find something else for other people to complain about. We are not responsible for what is going on in the Middle East.
>> We are though Stella because we've just sent >> No, we just sent We just sent arms to Israel this week for what's going on.
>> We sent arms to Israel.
>> Hang on. Wait. Just just st >> about that. I'm sorry your views. I've just about had enough of listening to you.
>> Oh, >> yeah. But yeah, but >> hang on. Oh, she gone.
>> You still there, Stella? She properly hung. Yeah, we are. It's the first >> We've just sent You haven't We just sent arms to Israel. Another lot.
>> You've caused it to hang up.
>> Yeah, that's fine.
>> And also, I think I heard a dial tone.
>> You heard what?
>> You know where you hang up and it goes, I've heard something.
We've had we haven't had that for years.
Um, we got her calls successfully driven away. Still, Stella, call back. Nicole's in London. Okay, Nicole, how are you doing?
>> Hi. Yeah, I'm fine, thanks. Um, I'm sorry, but um, I agree with Yasmin on a lot of what she said, which I quite often do to be honest.
>> Have you got many Jewish friends, Nicole?
>> I grew up in a very Jewish area. I grew up in Gance Hill.
>> All right, good. But is it but Brian is it if someone's very angry about the war in Gaza and specifically the kill >> why are they angry about the war in Gaza not angry about the murder of 1300 Israeli they probably are >> well they don't say that do they don't say that on the hate march is when they yell into fart and all the rest they don't say thousand dead >> I think that's >> and 1300 dead Israelis the numbers thing in Gaza and I'm just my question Brian is is if Yasmin is furious about that as are panelists like Gemma and Marina who we see the whole time is that doesn't mean they're anti-Semitic, does it?
>> Well, I think it does to be honest. I and that's what that's what the government is now saying. That's what the government has now finally woken up to that these hate marches taking place in London. We got hate marches hate marches Palestinian marches. Nicole, do you want to come in on this?
>> Yeah, I'm quite happy to tell him that he's talking out of the wrong end. Um because I don't agree with a lot of what he's saying. Um a lot of Jewish people are anti-Netanyahu.
There are people that don't agree with what he's doing. Um I don't like and a lot of people aren't happy about the the first volley that caused all of this which was the 1300. Well, nobody's happy about that. Nobody agrees with that. But and so he's again wrong and saying that nobody's mentioning that. A lot of people are mentioning the fact that they don't agree with how >> I don't hear many on the hate marches mentioning the 1300 dead Israelis.
>> Well, they Yeah, >> they're not hate.
>> They're protesting against something else, aren't they?
>> Nico is his view. Let other people have their views and their views are quite often do not agree with what he is saying. As far as I'm concerned, you've got Russia, which is run by a maniac. You've got Netanyahu who is a maniac and I'm sorry but it does it is to do with the figures they keep going on and Netanyahu keeps going on about the Holocaust and so many Jews have been it's the biggest amount of Jews that have been killed since the Holocaust. How many Palestinians since the they were forced off their land >> originally have been killed? How many how many have you know it's a joke >> we have to stop there only because of timings but thank you very much de for your call after the break it's the papers and everything else including the latest on the h virus which is being classed as low risk for the British public oh on that V decision at the weekend we'll see you shortly before the break we asked what was notable about Philip and Grayson Perry's first date they went to a transvestite club they went speed dating they were on a double date with other And the answer is they were at a trans so-called transvestite club.
How lovely. I love Grayson. I see him sometimes cycling around the park actually. So anyway, Philip Aerry joins Vanessa on her show this afternoon. Stay tuned for that. Welcome back to the program. I've got to to what is it?
Crave your indulgence here because you two are not big football fans, but there was a very big moment of football. If I show you the table here will help you to see what the why the stakes are so high.
So you've got even yesterday before the game we had yesterday between Arsenal and West Ham. Arsenal are trying to clinch the top spot so they become champions and in a way more serious West Ham are in the bottom three and they need to avoid being relegated and they're a big club. So they had really West Ham had to win yesterday and Arsenal had to win yesterday and they were playing each other and you get into this situation and look at this. I've got their attention. I can't believe they're actually listening. So, in this I thought I'm going to watch this game because I secretly would like West Ham not to be relegated because I'm a Chelsea fan. So, I want Spurs to go down. Unnecessary detail. So, I watch the game Arsenal score. You know, it's like, oh, this so inevitable Arsenal score. And it looks then like West Ham are going to be relegated. And then this extraordinary thing happens where just before we show it I'm going to tell you where West Ham there's a whole bundle in the box and West Ham score. But then the Arsenal manager Mikuel Artetus goes like this and what he means is your player West Ham's player had his arm around the goalkeeper's throat and at this point they say well let's have a look at V. So have a look. 95th minute. Bowen's in swinger. Goalkeeper is in there. Wilson is in the in it. Goal from Rice now behind who's grabbing Madraanos I think.
After review, West Ham number 19 commits a foul on the goalkeeper.
Final decision is direct free kick.
>> Arsenal sees salvation.
>> So it it might be that the whole season turns on that because Arsenal now have enough points that they can see the title and West Ham crucially are stuck in the bottom three. Now there's the photo of it and it it's the jury split. Yeah, it's probably a foul but who cares, you know?
Who cares? Just don't give it. If you look at anything for long enough, this V thing is killing football. If you look at anything for long enough, long enough, it's a foul.
>> Good God, I've never seen you this excited in my life.
>> And I watched I thought, "Oh, don't let this be like this."
>> But I as someone who goes to football, I can tell you we can no longer celebrate goals. The ball goes in the net, you go, "Right, let's just wait five minutes. Is it a goal?" Yes. Okay. Yes, but in the past fans always queried the decisions of referees.
>> Yes, that's part So now they just query the decisions of V.
>> Yeah, but the thing is at least the referee had an an instant.
>> The refere is accurate, isn't it? Isn't V accurate?
>> Yeah, there's no such thing as accuracy when you come to art. The rules of football are not a science. They're an art. And that's a matter of opinion. Did he impede the goalkeeper A BIT?
>> SO WHAT >> did he have his hand up? had his arm across his throat. But I mean, the goalkeeper's doing something like he's in an opera or something. We should see the photo. Let's just have a look at this photo. The goalkeeper's doing. Look at this. He looks like he's a victim of a serial killer or something. I mean, it's ridiculous.
Well, if I if you are pulling that face, you are not being fouled. You are acting. There's there's there's absolutely no overlap between acting and being fouled. So, I'm cheesed off about this. We can tell >> it's ruined football.
>> We can tell.
>> Anyway, we will move on beyond football and talk about the papers and everything else.
>> So, first story, the medical team parachuted in to create. Oh, there's the brilliant Lucy punch. I do Amanda.
Sorry, I must get distracted. Medical team parachuted in to treat cruise virus islander. This is like something out of a book. British Army medics parachuted onto the island of Tristan Duna on Saturday. These islands are always described as remote. Not remote if you live there. In the South Atlantic Ocean, it's considered to be one of the world's Oh, here we go. Most remote islands. The island has a population of 221 British citizenships. I didn't know it was one of ours. It's got no air strip. It can only be reached by boat. The team of six paratroopers and two medical clinicians made the journey to treat a British man suspected to have antivirus. So he left that famous ship, the Honda, the cruise ship, in midappril and the team of six paratroopers and two medical clinicians dropped out the sky to treat him.
>> Amazing. It is a movie.
>> It is. Well, it's good. I mean, you can't see your own GP, but you'll get a parachute if you live on on Tristan Duna.
>> Tristan Duna, it was evacuated in 1950s after a volcanic explosion. But if you're a stamp collector, you know all about Tristan Duna and Ascension Island.
>> What is a cruise ship doing there?
>> No, no, he's gone. This passenger went back to his home on Tristan Duna.
>> Oh, okay.
>> I assume he is. He lives there cuz unless he was just visiting and he has got the virus or suspected to have it.
we're not sure and therefore they drop the medics down to him. I mean, listen, it's it's great. It's great. It's just that it's the contrast between that and if you ring your GP for an appointment being told, "We haven't got any for 3 weeks."
>> Doesn't happen to me. Doesn't happen to most of us. That's a that's just a fabrication nowadays. Actually, the system is so much better.
>> Um because they they're using, you know, automation when required. And no, it's not true that you don't get to see your GP. hospitals in >> your GP arrived by parachute.
>> No, I don't want him to.
>> Do you think it's good this is a good thing?
>> Well, we're looking after the good folk of Tristan, one of our few remaining British colonial territories.
>> Oh, for God's sake. Get over it.
>> I I was there was a question once on aheads of how many overseas territories does Britain have? Do you know the answer?
>> Is it?
>> I think it was 14 was the answer. It's probably fewer than you imagine. British Antarctica, Falklands, Pik Ken, it's that sort of territory and obviously Trista Duna. Yeah. And and long may it rain.
>> Yes.
>> Yes. No.
>> In your view.
>> No. Not in my view.
>> I mean, it keeps you know the colonial nostalgia.
Who cares?
>> Not leave it to the islanders to vote on it.
>> Have they Have they said please stay >> if they maybe >> it just feeds this hunger, doesn't it?
>> We once owned the world.
>> Yeah.
>> Well, we did.
>> You did. Britain did. lived under the days. Well, it was mixed.
>> No, I was there. Well, you didn't live there. I >> No, I didn't live there.
>> Okay, so trust me, it wasn't. It wasn't.
>> It controlled 140 years ago a quarter of the world's landspace and half the world's trade. Isn't that amazing?
>> I'm not saying it's a good thing. In the Telegraph, low risk for public as rat virus comes to UK. Ah, right. We're still on the Hanto virus. 19 people are in isolation at Arrow Park Hospital Murzyside on Sunday evening after landing in Manchester from Tenneref. I think we've got the famous, you know, back in COVID times, there was a cruise ship, the Diamond Princess >> which got CO and they brought the British passengers onto a coach to take them to an isolation unit. I shouldn't laugh. They had four people in hazmat suits and I think we got a picture the poor driver. This is the most It's the most British photo ever. This guy, he hasn't been given a hazmat suit. He's just staring with this haunted expression cuz at the time we didn't know what we were dealing with.
>> It's typical, isn't it?
>> I've got I've got a a a hairdresser who is totally conspiracy theorist. Oh, right.
>> So now he's telling me yesterday when he was or the day before.
>> Yeah.
>> That no no no, this isn't happening.
It's a plot >> to bring back lockdown just like co was a >> But I enjoyed lockdown. Didn't you enjoy lockdown?
>> Well, no. This is this is the conspiracy theorists are rising again saying this is a plot.
>> It's a plot. Yes.
>> Funny people saying they enjoyed lockdown. I think our kids were teenagers and they were had an extra two years staying, you know, being in the company of their parents. That was quite I felt quite good about that. But lots of people had a bad old time in lockdown.
>> I I understand that the economy and it destroyed the country as well.
>> Oh, of course.
>> Yasmin BBC counselor under investigation over racism allegations. This is a guy who's been elected for reform, isn't it?
Yes, this these are coming thick and fast I have to say because I think reform has kind of not been able I'm going to be as polite as possible in private I say this rude language they've just they've just got all these counselors not properly vetted correct >> many of them >> the dead quotes my in barit they've dug up the dead and the dying to run a full state of candidates, none of whom, thank God, got elected.
>> What do you mean that people who are dead were on the >> People who are seriously ill? People who there there were two elections in the country, one in Berry and one in St. Helen, which were countermanded because a candidate died during the campaign.
Both reform candidates, >> but there are so many mean there was some somebody I read about who has a domestic violence um record and and this guy Glenn Gibbon. Gibb.
>> Okay. So, what did Glen Gibbons say? Do you want to tell us? Um, it's Nigeria Nigeria that you know you Phil Potholes.
>> Well, let's let's just get the words right.
>> I just don't want to say it. Do you say it?
>> Well, I'm going to have to I thought you got the story, but Okay, >> I've got the story, but I don't want to say it. It's so horrible. You're >> quite right. Well, you said a version of it. I mean, we do have to report the news here. So, he said, >> well, he said something about Nigerians, which melt down Nigerians to feel potly offensive. So, meltdown Nigerians to fill pots, he said. And I was actually, funny enough, I was on I mentioned this earlier with the Laura Kunber show yesterday and Richard Ty was in and I noticed he didn't want to engage with this at all.
>> No.
>> And I think it's because he said I think it was ling around was the phrase he used.
>> I don't know. I It's >> No. And he's very strong on anti-semitism. And actually I I'm really glad James Cleverly tweeted and said this. How hard is it for Richard Ty to say that racism directed at at Jews is wrong and racism directed at Nigerians is also wrong? How hard is it to say that?
>> I think he just didn't want to be making the news with a big thing about his own party having racists on board. The guy's been suspended. It was an old tweet in 2024. It was deleted. Maybe that's mitigation.
>> 2024 is old.
>> No, it's not old, is it? The son has Indianb born green MSP is another story.
could face. This is the Greens now.
Possible probe. So, this is um a newly elected MSP who essentially has an visa problem, may not have a valid visa. Name is Q Manon and identifies as a transgender Tamil immigrant. So, >> he does have the right to remain.
>> So, he's was born bi biologically female. Is that correct?
>> Yeah. But that's not the issue. The issue is is I think non-binary. Yeah.
>> Is we're just learning. We're just finding out form vetting of candidates is poor. The Green Party's vetting is even worse.
>> But I think if he's gone a student visa, he is entitled to stand as an MS. The law says he is >> because of recent changes in eligibility rules and they as in they that person has lived in Scotland since 2021 and they was elected on Friday as a list MSP for Edinburgh and Lotheians East. The Green said the Scottish Parliament rightly permits everyone with the right to live here to stand in legal elections. So that's it's allowed. Bit weird the the visa end of it. Yasmin or not?
>> No. No. And if you know if it turns out that he has to go because Shabban Mahmud is sending everybody.
>> They has they they >> sorry they have to go. They has to go. I have to go.
>> You think they has to go?
>> They has to go. Then we'll see.
I don't think >> Brian >> No, no. He she >> No, don't don't. No, no, no, no, no. We don't we don't want to be uh criticizing people who are uh transgender. Brian and the Guardian, people who work longer hours more likely to be obese, says a study. Well, we know this.
>> Well, I think it's a counterintuitive story. You'd think if if you worked more, you'd lose weight. uh because that law >> well I I I don't it's it's a an Australian study of Mexicans and Colombians. I don't think it's got much validity.
>> Well, no, I think it's to do with class.
It depends on the on the jobs you do. If you're doing, you know, 10 hours a day, 11 hours a day, uh kind of manual labor and then you eat a lot because you need to eat a lot. I can see it. But you know people who are working in posh jobs I don't think this would be an issue. So it's complicated >> professional jobs. Yeah.
>> Like you and I.
>> Yeah. I think you know I work very long hours sometimes. Um but I think the issue is when you are doing very heavy work you eat and often eat carbs.
>> Well I think there's a lot of maybe driving jobs in here as well. Yes.
You've got to have drivers. Petrol stations should only sell fruit. That would solve everything in a minute. Oh, >> don't you think >> if I was driving a lorry, you know, across from here to France and sitting in my car, I would want more than fruit.
>> You would want to be on the what's it?
>> Yes.
>> In the mail.
>> That completes the set. Adolescent star Owen 16 doing really well and Cooper cleans up at the BAFTAs. So, the BAFTA TV awards last night. Adolescence continued to win big, even though it feels like it's four years ago now. The show took home four awards, breaking the record for the most wins at the BAFTAs in a single year. At 16, Owen Cooper became the youngest ever winner of the award for best supporting actor. He's grown a bit since he he played the part.
Let's have a look.
And the bath goes to Owen Cooper, adolescence.
In my eyes, I think you only need three things to succeed in life. You need one, an obsession, two, a dream, and three, the Beatles. So, thank you so much.
>> Oo, three the Beatles.
>> I just wish he'd got a pair of trousers that fitted. If you watch if you watch his speech, he keeps pulling up his trousers and you just think, "Oh, goodness. Why couldn't he get out?"
>> You know, he could give you a a dressing down for the way you dress.
>> Oh, well, I I dress coming back though.
They're coming back. The Celebrity Traers also had a share of the glory.
The program, which was viewed by 15 million people, won best reality program. Alan Carr's victory on it was named TV's most memorable moment of the year, the only award of the night to be voted for by the public. So, let's have a look at it. I am and have always been a traitor.
I'm so sorry.
It's been tearing me apart. I'm so sorry.
Manderland brought home best scripted comedy. I love this. It's so good. You must watch it. Seriously brilliant. It's brilliant. This character is so of of the time. Zeitgeist. Have a look.
>> Hey there. Hi. I'm looking for El Smith Hopkins. I'm her neighbor.
>> Bay four. Straight down there. Thank you. And can I just say so much gratitude to you for your service. I lived my road in the Kobe clap for the NHS back in the day. So, you're welcome.
Sweet.
>> More. After the break, we'll be finding out how one retiree has stopped motorists from parking on his front garden and why climate change could mean your tea might become more bitter. See you very soon.
So before the break, we asked a mysterious graffiti artist has been painting pictures of what around Scotland. We gave you bread rolls, porcupines or giant eyes. It is of course giant eyes.
It's always going to be giant eyes, isn't it? Sadly. Uh, let's have a look.
Right.
And another one.
What was the old um co witty and balance used to go? Next slide, please.
Next slide, please. There we are.
>> You ever fancy do that, Brian?
>> Uh, I think I look incredibly ugly. I want one of those at the end of my road.
I I'm starting to love graffiti. It's something that happens in in old your older years if you keep yourself mentally trim. You begin to love graffiti.
>> I've always loved it.
>> It's better than a blank wall.
>> No, no, no. No, no, no.
>> There's there's there's a plate was it is it near South End? There's a whole whole wall given over and they take you on that walk >> really >> and it's so imaginative and it's so beautiful.
extreme is what happens in Northern Ireland where every wall is painted with political slogan.
>> True, but they're still well painted.
>> I mean, and they are balanced as well if you look at all of them. In the Daily Mail, 163,000 jobs at risk. Biggest work calamity since pandemic. What on earth is going on here, Brian? What's caused this now?
>> Well, the economy is heading for recession. a combination of world factors, the appalling chance of the exjecker, the Labor government, and uh we're heading for even more unemployed people than we've got at the moment.
163,000 according to this uh report from the uh economic forecasting group, the se the the item club or whatever they're called.
>> Yeah. Well, >> we don't need to get >> I don't know how they get to 16.
>> I don't know who they are, by the way. I don't know who they are, though. I don't know. Nobody knows. Is there anything we can say here that's that's not >> well I think there you know we have to remember the world is in crisis but it is true it is true that you know many and I'm I'm not talking about minimum wage and all of that that was necessary it needed to be done but um in every single western economy a combination of governance and world affairs is causing and actually we have to point to Trump >> we have to point to Because Yeah.
Because the Iran war >> Yes. Okay. Yeah.
>> That he's backed that Netanyahu wanted has created this.
>> It's true. The more expensive fuel is, Brian, the less money companies have to pay their workers.
>> Yes. But the more expensive your business rates are, the more expensive your overheads are in the high street.
And that's nothing to do with Trump.
>> Would you be in favor of removing the minimum wage?
>> No.
>> For a 5year period.
>> To try to create no low paid jobs. How do this is really interesting, right?
We're talking about cost of living.
We're talking about job loss. We're talking about cutting back benefits. And we expect the the people at the bottom end to live on less and less.
>> I just I just wonder whether let's say you cut minimum wage. I was 18 years old, right? You >> say I was 18 and there's a radio station near me and I say I want to come and work just just for pennies just to get experience and they say we got to pay the minimum wage.
>> No, you can you can get work experience.
work experience is not minimum wage.
It's different. It's different. It's not. It's different.
>> It's young people get into the job market.
>> I I I really think this attack on minimum wage shows how classridden we still are. What do >> you think, Brian?
>> I think minimum wage as a principle is now accepted by most parties, including conservative parties.
>> Really?
>> Yes. I never knew. But but not but not for young people.
>> Not for young people. Never has there been a moment in my lifetime here in this country when the Tory government has approved of any progressive legislation for workers. They hated the Equal Opportunities Act. They hated what women's rights were in the workplace.
They hate me. It's it's what they are.
What you lot are what you are.
>> Yes. Well, they are.
>> It's what she says.
>> I don't know. They're right.
>> Words fail me.
>> This is the first time fail me. The first time world's words have failed.
Brian Cole BBC website we're back on Trump now. Trump calls Iran response to US proposal to end war totally unacceptable.
>> So Brian, >> well Iran has I think what what many of the Jewish people would call huts. Iran is testing uh is pushing its luck with the United States. Pushing its luck.
Trump isn't going to accept restrictions on the states of Ho. uh it's not it's not going to accept what Iran is proposing and Trump makes that absolutely clear. So why does Iran continue to push for things which are unacceptable?
>> We can't tell exactly what it is but it seems to be something about Iran saying we need you to help us rebuild and take sanctions off and so on and then we reopen the straight >> and they won't and Trump saying no reopen the straight first.
>> They won't accept a deal on their nuclear uh on their plutonium and and so on. They won't inspect.
>> I want I want the same conditions apply to Israel actually about nuclear weaponry which of course we never do because it's never even been inspected.
Actually, you've got to understand the world from different perspectives. And why is it okay for Israel to have nuclear weapons?
>> You don't understand the world from Israel's perspective. Yasmin, >> what >> you don't understand.
>> I've always supported the right. No, >> don't appreciate the Israeli Israeli government's position. This war was begun not by Iran.
I have no time for the Iranian regime.
I've hated that regime from the time it whenever the Ayatollas came. But I think it's it's very unclear to me why we judge one country on one.
>> How do we get rid of the Iranian regime?
>> Why do why would you want to why would you want it or not? You know, if I want to get rid of Netanyahu, how do I do it?
>> Uh ballot box. The ballot box. But there's no ballot box in Iran. There is actually no there's no there is there is you can't I mean no one says how do you get rid of the North Korean regime is it doesn't because it'd be nice to maybe well I think there is an issue around North Korea and there's an issue around Cuba >> well they got Oh my god you really are a colonialist aren't you? Of course you are.
>> I want these people to have free democratic rights like you and I have in the United Kingdom. I want that that for people in Iran, people in North Korea, people in Cuba.
I want people to be able for and Palestine and what happened in Palestine when they had an election.
>> Did they have the same rights?
>> Yes. Absolutely right. And and if you're an Arab living in Israel, you have the right to vote. You have the right to collect social security benefits. You have free rights as Israeli citiz Arabs in Israel who are now facing the worst discrimination ever since the country was formed.
>> There are Arab members of the Kesset.
There are Arab members of the Israel.
>> We were talking earlier about the Eurovvision and we got into this. So I I just don't want to double up too much cuz I I can see it's a flash point here.
Yasmin in the sun. We are staying home.
Hotel bookings KOed. This is in the States and and it's the we just thought all the hotels would be full of football fans and they did too and actually poor old Kansas is missing out.
>> Well, they are living in very troubled times this, you know, >> very expensive to go and see a football and also the world is very unpredictable at the moment. People are looking after their cash. They're terrified at every level. They're terrified. Um I don't know why the World Cup is happening in the US either. I never thought >> I never thought it went there. I thought it was a >> I think they've they've they haven't had it for a >> while. US and Mexico and Canada.
>> And Canada. Yeah.
>> So, so remember that Donald Trump has won the World FIFA Peace Prize as well.
>> Which they he's actually the first person to win it. Yasmin.
>> Sorry. World football has always been corrupt. World football has always been corrupt for decades. It Infantina is not the first corrupt president of FIFA.
Yeah. Also the Americans when they put stuff on it can go very well.
>> LA Olympics, it can go very badly.
Atlanta Olympics where all the athletes >> you know a lot of traffic jams a lot of Europeans are very anxious about going to the United States while >> Trump's very kind of maverick presence.
>> Yeah. Well, you could get iced or whatever it is. Yeah. In the mail, the grass verge stinger. This is a bloke who doesn't like, you can see in the pictures that people have been doing a kind of three-point turn and they've gone over his front lawn with their tires. And he's invented this thing which looks like a normal picket fence, albeit it's only about 6 in high, but it actually has metal fearsome metal spikes in that will shred your tires.
>> Charlie, good idea. Good idea.
>> I think he might he might get something.
Yeah, I mean my >> sell it to local councils. We're forever repairing the grass verges which have been done by dreadful.
>> Dreadful. Yeah. But the the worry about it is slightly that some three-year-old is toddling down the street. They trip over and a spike goes through there.
>> Get exercised about this kind of thing when the world is on fire. I'm sorry. I >> think that matters to people in their daily lives. Yes. Mean, never mind Iran.
Never mind wars. The state >> I bet he's told to remove it. I bet he's told to remove it. I've knocked on thousands, hundreds of doors in the last four weeks.
>> Could you not find your own house?
>> Excuse me, where do I live?
>> People have been complaining about, you know, incredible I call it a middle class complaint. The state of the grass verges, the state of the roads.
>> I'm sorry, I can't get exercise.
>> That's what ordinary people worry about.
>> That's what ordinary people do.
>> Well, >> but you weren't in the council elections. You weren't vote v voting on Gaza and Iran, were you?
>> Yes, >> you were in the local elections.
>> Yes. For me, I this is only the second time I couldn't vote for Labor. And for me, the bleeding wound is Gaza.
>> These things are more connected than we think.
>> And maybe you're right. Maybe actually the local elections has triggered a, as discussed earlier, a crisis for Star. So actually, they're not just local elections at all. Brian in the mail, trouble brewing, climate change threat to taste of tea. Well, I thought tea was made in Yorkshire, but apparently it's grown in Sri Lanka and and >> where were you educated? Where were you educated?
>> Well, I see all those adverts on telly for Yorkshire tea. Haven't you se seen the adverts? So, I I thought it was Julie, >> but it was Sri Lanka and Kenya and >> just teasing you. Yasmin, I know. Don't rise. Te's tea was Indian and Chinese and then it was adopt you know it was brought here and it became a defining British drink English >> well apparently climate change is affecting the way the tea bushes grow in in these countries. So it's going to affect uh uh British uh British tea. So we'll just have to grow more in Yorkshire.
>> Just get used to it. Just get used to it.
>> I don't mind that. Okay. In the mirror they got getting back to where they once belonged. This is exciting. We heard Owen Cooper, the actor earlier saying the only three things in life that matter.
>> What was it? Ambition, obsession, and the Beatles.
>> So, they're turning the building where the Beatles played their last ever gig into an exhibition space. It's three Savile Row. I didn't realize I walked down Savile occasion. I didn't realize this is where if I looked up, they always say look up like there's too many of us looking down.
>> So, it served as the band's headquarters. Between 6872, they recorded their final album, Let It Be, in the basement there. And then they played on the roof. And we can see this >> love.
Yes, she does.
Don't let me down.
Don't let me down.
Don't let me down.
I wasn't >> four or five. Sorry.
>> We're lucky it wasn't raining.
>> We are very lucky it wasn't raining. So I think that was Was that 70? 1970 when they did that.
>> 69 and I I was only four. But that that is seared into my brain as one of the greatest moments >> along with Queen at Live Aid. Yeah. No, it's so it's so sad. He only lived another 11 years and they paid for 42 minutes. And guess what stopped them? A complaint from a tenant. Can you believe that?
>> That's so British. That's so British.
>> It's not something we should celebrate with. We had this with McCartney. Well, Springsteen was playing in Hyde Park.
>> Oh yes.
>> And then McCartney comes out. They're singing together and someone pulled the plug on them.
>> Yes. Yes.
>> They said it's past 10:30.
>> Licensing laws. The licensing laws are very strict and rightly so. Well, they should find out who complained and arrest them.
>> The That's disgusting.
>> Anyway, that's so so you're going to be able to go up that building, the Savo building. It is amazing, isn't it, to think of it on the roof and everything and see the exhibition. And here's the thing. I saw Emma Willis the other day in Radio 2 Towers. I don't know if it's true or not, but the sun is saying it's Emma for Strictly. So, that's the latest in the runners and riders. And yeah, good luck to her if if it's her. We'll have more after the break. We'll be finding out why the Royal Navy has pledged to spend £200,000 to fix an inappropriate jacket design. It's quite interesting story. See you very soon.
Before the vote, we asked which of these bridges links to Europe and Asia? Is it new Europe bridge? 15th July Martr or Gallana? And it is the 15th July Martrus Bridge.
So it was called the Bosphorus Bridge which helps us a bit isn't it?
>> Yeah. Yes.
>> So it's from and I did an Italian accent because it sounded Gadiana sounds like an Italian bridge but that's not the answer. So there it is. It was called the Bosphorus Bridge across the Bosphorus Strait. That was too long a name. So then after interested in the history here yeah want to do history.
2016 attempted coup in Turkey on 15th of July when the Turkish army occupied and blocked the bridge. So it's now called the 15th of July martyr's bridge because of them giving their lives to save Erdogan I guess.
>> Well yes and there's still about 50,000 people in prison because of that coup.
>> Is that right? Yeah.
>> Erdogan is a dictator in my view.
>> Yeah. Well do you remember when Erdogan went to see Trump and Trump said uh there was some question about the election Joe Biden won and stuff. Trump said well you know you know about rigged elections don't you? Erdogan sitting next to him. Yeah. Sorry. the Times Brian Navy inappropriate jackets. What's happening?
>> Well, the Navy is going to redesign its officers's number one dress for women uh to remove buttons which are inappropriately placed. And I think this is entirely sensible.
>> Well, I can't see where is the button in. We got a picture of the button.
>> Well, I think we've got >> in a position it shouldn't be. Well, if you if you look at the times, it's no, there small picture of the Princess Royal there uh in her navy uniform >> and the button is allegedly the buttons are >> uh allegedly on her nipples on her breasts. So, they're redesigning the uniform. Normally, I'm against spending unnecessary money, but here we're redesigning.
>> We're entering modern times. Well done, Brian.
>> I'll show this really closely for you.
So, there there it is. And the the I mean, I don't know. It's like >> the second set.
>> The second set. No.
>> Well, the Navy set the Navy now takes the role of women.
>> In what position?
>> Seriously.
>> It's a second set.
>> It's as a woman who knows what where they are.
>> So, we're talking not about these these two here.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> It's those two there. Those two there.
>> I don't see a problem that to me. Those two first, you've got to be sick to have that.
>> There's plenty of sick men around.
>> Really? Oh, yes. It's It's not It's not that. It's just I think you know it's uncomfortable to wear wear this uniform.
>> No, it's not that. It's because people are looking at them saying that is the exact position of the nipple.
>> Oh, I >> Well, I mean >> I mean Yeah, we the Navy now takes the role of women officers seriously. Yes.
And it's got to adopt one or two. If you go on a Navy ship, there's as many almost as many female crew members uh as men. They weren't allowed to serve on ships for decades, but now and and they all, you know, there's an occasion.
>> I just thought they would have that would have been a very basic consideration when they did the design.
That's all.
>> Well, as as Brian is changing with the times, >> Brian is modernizing during the papers here by the >> by It's possible Brian by the middle of the end of this section.
>> I'll be I'll be entirely woke down.
>> Yeah, you could be woke by the end of this section. Yeah.
>> Yes.
>> Uh yes, it's been in the mirror. Puzzy Bear children in need mascot speaks for the first time bear.
>> Yeah, it's a they're going it's going to talk about it's to get kids to talk about mental health or you know what's going on in their heads and hearts. Um so the children in need mascot will star in a shorts film called Pudsy finds his voice.
>> Okay. And what sort of voice do we know what it's going to be?
>> Uh I don't child's voice. I don't know.
But it's part of the mental health awareness week and >> um I think that's lovely.
>> I suppose it is. Yeah. I don't know.
What do you think?
>> Uh I I think we children in need has got tens of millions of pounds stashed in the bank and it should be spending that money on children in need. Well, it's not I mean giving the bearer voice is not a is not major expenditure but >> but it's also getting ch giving children the words because often young children can be very distressed but they don't have the words and often parents don't know how to talk to them.
>> So >> I'm starting to think we do this thing about mental health crisis among the young.
>> There isn't a mental health crisis amongst the amongst I say I'm starting to think there is one.
>> Well I'm starting to think there isn't uh isn't one. It's lack of parental uh guidance. There are some kids who go to primary school and can barely talk.
Well, that surely that is down to their parents. There are some kids who go to primary school, don't know how to use the toilet, don't know how to tie their shoes.
>> That's not mental health crisis.
>> No. Well, it's all tied in with how they've been brought up by their parent or parents.
>> Nicely brought up middle-class children don't suffer mental health problems.
Brian, what then what times are you living in?
>> So, I I'm living in a real world. Uh, no. Out there where you don't real >> sorry, it's nothing to do with bringing up children. It's nothing to do with class. You can be a good parent if you're middle class. You can be a bad parent if you're middle class. You can be a good working class parent. You can be a bad working class and the poorest.
But as Sophie Tucker said, I've been rich and I've been poor. Rich is better.
>> And it there's no doubt about mental.
>> No, but there's no doubt there's there's more people afflicted. But there is also because poverty can make you depressed.
Just saying. Yes. But we tag we tag the working class as bad parents. Do you?
>> I never said that.
>> I've never said that.
>> That's you speaking.
>> You're lying.
>> I am not your puppet.
>> You're lying. You've not said that before. It's a good line. Okay. Mail Online has this story. Cornish residents up in uproar in 58,000 ton cruise ship that can carry 1500 docks in their pictures town.
It's so difficult this because the town is foy spelled f o w e y and I suppose if all those people come on shore they all order lots of cups of tea and pieces of cake that's good >> but they also use the toilet a lot and >> I mean I I know foyer I've been there three or four times spent a week in the lovely Foy hotel uh down there you thought this is an excitement for the town isn't it to have this large cruise ship I mean it's not like it's every day of the week >> it looks I mean, what do you think, Yasmin?
>> No, I think cruise ships turning up in Venice. I was there.
>> Yeah, Venice is God, it's awful. And these beautiful places are being visited because they're beautiful and ruined by the numbers that visit. I mean, difficult one.
>> I was going to say cuz I've not been to Venice, but I always worry that if I went it wouldn't be like the old paintings by Canaltto. It would just be >> Oh, it's still extraordinarily beautiful.
>> Okay. But did a cruise ship suddenly move between >> and they're trying to ban them but of course economically and but they did I remember they were in a coffee shop big coffee shop there was a queue of them to go to the L and they were thrown out.
>> Oh really? They were just queuing for the L >> just skiing for the L and they were thrown out. It's not as if a ship turns up every week.
>> It's a one scene of a blue moon. If the residents don't want >> I think the ship the key question >> so the residents are okay to object to cruise ships >> what would do that's the key question what would atra do and he would not pilot a cruise ship into foy isn't that the key question Brian >> well I don't know why suddenly become a saint just because he's turned 100 >> but uh that's a different matter >> should cruise ships have to be painted in sea camouflage you paint them like in wave colors. I bet you wouldn't be able to see them.
>> It's not how they look. It's what they disorgge.
>> Well, most modern cruise ships look incredibly ugly.
>> I I think if you were on one, you would The only decent view of foy is if you're on the actual ship. Everyone else's view has been ruined. It's a actually an advert for cruising that in the Times Why Britains are holidaying alone even when they're married. The number of solo travelers taking flights from England's eight largest airports has gone up by about 90% in the past decade from 50 million to more than 95 million. And a lot of them are females. Their numbers are up 91%.
And I'm going to read this because it's it's just what they say. It's attributed to women feeling safer traveling alone.
How does that make sense?
>> I don't know.
>> Safer from their own partner.
>> No, no, no. um you know there was a time when women felt unsafe going to various parts of the world and it's still pretty unsafe in some parts of the world but I also think it there's a whole thing about gray divorces you know >> gray divorces are peing and mainly asked for by women >> who don't who you know something happens something happens and good on them >> about it endlessly >> I don't think I would want to go on my own >> well I I was out with two >> females on Friday I mean that Sounds bad, but I I won't say too much about it, but but because we we got into a very interesting discussion about life and it was posited in this discussion that most attractive women are single and 50 years ago it was the other way around because because the attractive women can't find a bloke who measures up.
>> Are you saying I'm not attractive?
>> No, I knew you'd come >> because I married twice. Are you saying >> Well, that's another category. No, >> most it doesn't mean women are married.
It means that most attractive women are single.
>> Well, I'm still I'm still open to offers. I'm married.
>> And this was two women saying it. This wasn't wasn't me >> and and we were having this fantastic discussion and it was about empowerment of women just not having to settle.
>> Yeah.
>> Does that make sense?
>> Yes. Yes.
>> Yeah. And also both impressive these two >> you know when when they felt that home life had become dull >> there's not not this sense of obligation >> there's brief encounter now that's not the ending you'd have now is it where she goes back and watches TV with her husband quite a lot of that even now in in my culture it's very rare >> I don't think just in your culture a lot of older couples lead separate lives but still live in the same house >> okay one more in the mail one way to fill a hole in the road. Let's have a look. So, this guy has turned up to actually repair the pothole. Can you believe it? And he's fallen into it. He had to get close, but not that close.
They've gone to a site in Walton, Somerset to fix part of the road, but then it gave way. So, the vehicle was wedged in what turned out to be, I don't know, it was a pothole or a sinkhole or what, but the pothole crisis.
>> Yes.
>> We don't need to even add anything to it. Let me show you what's coming up here on five through the day. Thank you so much you two. Brilliant as always.
Very entertaining. Five on five. Let's see if it's the OG today coming round the corner on the bicycles. So, thank you for your company so much for the last two hours. There we go. And we've got Yes. Storm and Alexis and then Matt who's on at 12:50 and then Vanessa who's on at 2. and Vanessa will be joined by the agony aunt and author Philip Perry, Trey Lo and Cla Maldun. Up next, Stormman Alexis are asking whether we should pay teachers more to stop them striking. Get your calls in for that now. 0207862 is the number you need. And you got lots of ways on the socials are getting in touch as well. You have got Facebook and Tik Tok and Instagram is fun. I'm getting into it now. Taking me a while.
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