Effective governance requires addressing systemic issues rather than blaming individuals, as demonstrated by the principle that 85-95% of organizational and societal problems stem from flawed systems rather than people. This systemic approach applies across political, economic, and social domains, where changing the underlying structures that drive behavior leads to more sustainable solutions than targeting individual failures.
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A Conversation with One Nation's, Senator Malcolm Roberts.Added:
Oh, it just feels awkward. I just constantly getting my tongue wrapped around my teeth. Get it out.
>> Yeah, I know. I got that problem.
>> I just want to say before I talk about you, the last time we met uh was the evening of my heart attack. So, I'm really hoping to survive this interview.
>> Or it might be my turn.
I I just want to say the other thing I found out about you is your father is Welsh as a as is my father. I'm Welsh too, but you were born in India.
>> Born in India. Uh dad was born and raised in Bedinog near Well, everything's near Cardiff in Wales, I guess.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. But do you remember India at all?
>> No, I tend to look forward, not back. Um that's cool. I'm not criticizing people who've got good memories, but I'm just not interested in things that have happened.
And my sister though, she's got a very good memory and she was I was seven when we left and she was four.
>> So, she's got a better memory for that kind of thing than I have.
>> Yeah. Cool. All right. Well, most of India's coming here anyway. So, the memories will come back to >> I used to speak fluid Hindi, believe it or not.
>> You're kidding.
>> No. And then uh when we came to Australia, it gradually lost it all. But apparently I was so good at Hindi that mom and dad would show me off proudly.
You know >> this. Okay. I want to say first off uh you you went from working on the coalace of the minds. I mean in the minds >> to literally revolutionizing it.
>> And I know you don't want to go back but are these the skills you brought to politics now?
>> But I know I don't mind going back but >> it's quite incred it's quite an incredible journey. Yeah, >> it's it's quite incred it's quite an incredible journey.
>> Yeah, it's it's pretty basic stuff. When I graduated with an honors degree in in mining engineering, I decided I better go and learn something. So, I worked as a coldface miner because mining depends a lot on practical experience and people and I'm happy to discuss that. Happy to discuss anything. But, um so that that's that's why I did that for three years and then uh those skills, you know, just don't leave you. Well, what's interesting is like we we're led by leaders now who have no idea what it's like living uh on a sub assistance wage, renting or all the other things or other real life experiences that most Australians are facing. So this is sort of a way around that really isn't it to to actually have people in power like yourself who actually have worked at the coal place.
Well, I think more important is that as a manager, a mine manager, I had supposedly authority over 330 people and then later on 550 people, but I never saw them as my underlings. I saw me as serving them because let's face it, Michael, if you're in a coal mine and you're at the coalace, you're the only ones producing the product. Everyone else is hanging off you and is supposed to support you. Now, that didn't mean that that if if the union bosses walked in and said, "We demand this," I'd say, "Okay, you can have it." No, because some people can't provide their own self-discipline. So, it means very much that I'm in charge. I'm the final person to be accountable, the only one ultimately. So, if there was an injury on any shift, if something happened that was not acceptable, it was my responsibility to prevent it. So, you know, even if I'm on holidays, I'm responsible, but my basic job is to serve. And uh and and that's that's the key thing that's missing from Parliament.
>> Yeah, that's what I was going to ask cuz there's so many people now, I'm meeting so many people now wanting to run for parliament and I think they're being inspired by One Nation to be honest because you now are literally riding the wave of change. Yeah, there's there's no one else doing it as well as as One Nation and Pauline Hans and you guys.
What is that like after so so many years where it's just been I mean still mental but it was mental with little hope but now there is orange hope. What what's that like being on the precipice of that? It's encouraging, very encouraging because that I I've said for many years now, we are the last hope of this country because the Liberal Party and the Nationals >> and the Labor Party are just two two sides of the same same uh >> Well, I I'm trying to think of words.
Just two >> two cheeks for the same ass.
>> That's what I I've been saying, but I've been encouraged to drop that one. But >> we're at the coal phase now. I'm at the coal phase. Pretend you're talking to a coal miner. You know, I uh I interviewed a 64 year old woman the other day is living in a shed. Cost her $300 a week.
It's full of mice. She's living with her three dogs. And she said, "I've got nothing to look forward to except my dogs. If my dogs die, I'm going to take myself out." That's the cold face of Australia at the moment. This woman's produced children, worked all her life.
Here she is.
>> I know someone who's fairly well off. Um I know several people who who have said that uh they're packing up and leaving.
Yeah.
>> Yes.
>> Yeah. They're going to countries that they're going to countries in war wars war torn areas. So, you know, they'd rather have that and a real life than to put up with this [ __ ] in in Australia.
>> Now, what inspired you to run for politics? I know the reasons like uh mismanagement and all this, but it's such a journey to get in. Did did you have a few goes at doing it or were you lucky first up? I was lucky first up and I was lucky to meet Pauline. Uh, we're not recording, are we? I'm Are we recording?
>> No, it's live.
>> Oh, okay. Well, okay. I didn't know we're in the formal part of it. All right. Well, that that's that's easy to answer.
>> What's that?
>> Oh, there's a little bit of an echo, but I think we can deal with it.
>> Okay. Um, when I came back from New Zealand, I I went over to New Zealand to help turn around their their largest underground coal mine there. Uh, it was in a bit of a mess and we left it in good shape. I came back to Australia and I heard all this rubbish about um carbon dioxide from human activity, not from nature, which is the overwhelming producer of of carbon dioxide, but from human activity was going to destroy the planet. We're going to have a climate catastrophe cataclysm. So, I thought, this is [ __ ] This is complete rubbish. But then 2007, someone called Viv Forbes asked me if I I'd help him um write about it because he knew he was a geologist. He's seen carbon dioxide in the in the geological record being many many times higher in the past before humans are even on the planet. So I said, "Sure, but when I do something, I've got to make sure I get my facts, Michael." So I did did the research and uh and then I thought this is crazy. It's it's just absolutely absurd that this the the top scientists were not in favor of this, not supportive of it. They're contradicting it. So um so I then started researching who was driving it and that came back to the United Nations along with a bevy of other uh globalist organizations like WWF, World Economic Forum etc. who who who by the way the World Economic Forum as you probably know uh formed an alliance in 2018 with the with the United Nations and then then I thought well why are they doing this what's the motive and I yeah >> realized it was all about money and control the same old things that drive the human condition and drive human a few humans arai so uh then then I started saying I I knew that this would destroy science integrity it would destroy the environment and and it is these things are coming true. It would destroy our economy. it is. It would destroy the the fundamental connection between humanity and and the spirit or the universe, whatever you want to call it, nature, uh driving complete ignorance. And it would destroy our freedoms. And all of those things um are coming true. And I sat down after working for 12 months, two years, thought, why am I doing this? I was entirely voluntary. Uh my wife was asking questions, you know, but but um I sat down, I thought, why am I doing it?
And those are those are the things. The sense of justice is extremely important.
Integrity is extremely important to me.
And and protecting humans. I have a wonderfully pro-human approach to life. I I love humans. We're we're not perfect, but I love humans.
>> Yeah. Me, too. Exactly the same.
>> And we perhaps we could talk about uh a conversation I had with Professor Bob Carter about about the real damage that this is doing, this climate fraud.
>> Yeah, sure. Please, please do.
>> Okay, remind me. Um, so anyway, I was speaking out against against this. Good afternoon, Rachel. I was speaking out against this [ __ ] and uh, thank you, Elise. Um, and Pauline Hansen got wind of me and she asked me to speak at a at a conference at a forum and it went over pretty well. And uh so she asked me to stand beside her on this on the Senate ticket for One Nation back in 2016 and Malcolm Turbo called a double dissolution. So I said, "Okay, Pauline, I'll I'll talk to my wife first and then I'll get back to you." So I talked to my wife and she said, "Go for it because you know it might give you a bigger mouth bigger mouthpiece for speaking against this climate bullshit."
And um so I said to Pauline, "Okay, let's uh let let's" My wife said, "Yes."
So uh she said, "Great. Sign up." And I said, "Not so fast. I want to know more about you." So I I arranged to come out to her place thinking it would be an hour our hour our conversation, you know, because I wanted to know what the hell happened in 1998 when when One Nation was targeted and derailed and smashed.
>> Uh and uh and she understood that. And 11 and a half hours later, I said, "I'm in." Because I have a very I have a very good friend um who told me that he knew Pauline and and he did and that she was completely honest and and I've found everything in my experience with Pauline since then to be to be the same. Um but I wanted to find out why why I went astray. And what I realized, Michael, in our 11 and a half hour conversation was that there isn't a human alive that or dead for that matter that that could have pulled it all together, >> could have kept it together because she was targeted. Why was she targeted?
Because she was the only opposition to the uni party. It took me a while to work out that liberals and labor essentially the same policies underneath the same globalist agenda.
But that that's so so then I jumped in and thankfully Malcolm Turbo called a double dissolution which which made it easier for me to be elected. So I scraped in basically a fluke. And then I then I did um must have done all right in the first 14 months before getting knocked out with dual citizenship.
Although I was the only one big brothers watching. I think they'd be watching Michael all the time and me for that matter.
>> Yes sir. We will take you out of the UN and and the west. Um, we're not in the W, but we take too much notice of the bastards. Um, so, so where was I up to? That's So, um, >> you got you got kicked out by, uh, you got kicked out because of, uh, >> dual citizenship.
>> Dual citizenship.
>> Dual citizenship.
>> Yep. Even though I was the only one at the time, not dual citizen. There were seven of us, I think, went to the high court. Um, but I didn't do it technically correctly at the time of nomination. So legally I didn't do the election properly. So fair enough. But I must have done okay in the first 14 months because the people reelected me in 2019 when I stood again >> and then I been elected in 2019 and 2025.
>> So there's the history.
>> So I'm a fluke but I'm but I made good use of it. on fluke or maybe we got something else behind us on our side because I want to know what is it like in Cber itself because from our our view now it's like watching the pigs not yourself and Pauline but it's like watching the pigs in animal farm when you're reaching the end of the book I don't know if you read George's animal farm but pigs are taking over the farm they're in the trough and the rest of the animals are starving that's how it looks like to us but what's it like actually being in there in the in this uh beast.
>> It's a it's a can be a toxic environment. Um it's not about serving the country. It's about serving your political masters. Not for us.
Definitely not for us. And that's what I love about Pauline. Um she has a basic uh political philosophy that says, is it in the national interest? Yes. Do it. If it's not in the national interest, don't do it. It's that simple. No fancy academic nonsense. Um, most of the politicians go in there because they care, but when they get in there, they have their eyes opened. And then some of them decide to keep their eyes shut and fall asleep. Um, very few in the major parties actually keep the spirit alive. But I I I'll tell you what it's like. In my first speech in the Senate in 2016, September 2016, I started with the words as a servant to the people of Queensland and Australia.
Liber Labor Party laughed, Greens sneered. The Liberals uh they kind of rolled their eyes. That's the attitude.
Whereas, as as I was telling you before, when I was a a mine manager and general manager, I had 330 people, 550 people who I was responsible for, but I didn't produce any coal out of the coal mine. I was responsible for making sure the miners could produce as much as they possibly could safely uh and cost effectively to keep the business open.
So, I was really a servant of the process. Now that doesn't mean I lay down because if someone's not acting sensibly then I have to and they can't provide adequate self-discipline then I'm I'm there to provide the discipline but most people I found whether it's in China, Korea, Japan, uh India, Australia, America, Canada, uh Mexico want to work and they want to they want to contribute meaningfully in their in their work because you spend eight hours at at work some 12 hours at work and you You don't want to waste it. People love to work. They just love to work providing they've got a good environment to work and humans want to achieve.
So what I have to do is make sure they're given an environment in which they can do that. Not tell them what to do all the time. Because quite frankly, Michael, having worked at the Calface myself for 3 years, I knew that the people at the Calface in each mine know better than the mine manager what's needed at any particular time. So what you've got to do is get the [ __ ] out of the way, get the hurdles out of the way, the corporate rat bags out of the way, and let them get on with the job.
>> You seeing Australia like that, if you saw Australia, and we are a big mine, the world's biggest mine, and we're not we don't seem to be making any money from it. How would you see that as turning around Australia using those principles?
The biggest problem we have, I could go on for hours on this one, but the biggest problem >> this what we want to hear. We're desperate for stuff like this. So, as I know I've already got an hour, but as much as you can because this is our you're basically being down with us on the coldface and now you're up there in the in the uh manager's office. But this is what we want to hear cuz >> you know we're we're desperate for hope everywhere.
>> What what um Thank you. What what I've what I noticed was that as a mine manager, as a general manager, I would go down the mine a lot, especially compared with other mine managers because I had some very very good staff uh who reported to me and very good staff who reported to them and and then the miners. Um but I don't care how good someone is, how competent they are, they see things through partial bias. We all do. So I had to go down. And the other reason for going down underground, not one of one of my corporate um executives above me said, "Your job is in the office." And I said, "Like hell it is because you can you cannot manage a coal mine without knowing what the men have got to put up with or the underground workers have got to put up with, what they need." And and you you start seeing things in a far better light. And then it becomes obvious there's a there's a um There was a very very effective management consultant called Wit Stemming. I don't know if you've heard of him. He was so damn good. He turned around Japan basically by giving advice to the Japanese. And they he was so good that the Japanese instituted an award every year. I I think they still do it.
I don't know though. But um every year the Deming award, the Deming Medal, they present that to the best company. That's how much they thought of him. He was 85 when he said, "The more I see, the more I realize all around the world, 85% of the problem in a company or in a business is the systems, not the people. You may have trouble with the people, but it's because they're not working in a good system." Okay. Um, and then then when he was 95, he said, "I think it's more like 95% of the problems come from the system, not the people." And that's that's something that that is not not thought of by many managers, many corporate executives. They want to blame the people.
So, um, what what I've seen is that Australians, Japanese, Koreans, all want to contribute. They're all always wanting their country to get ahead.
They're proud of their country. They'd like it to be better. So, what you've got to do is get the hell out of their their way. create the circumstances as you do in a coal mine for people to work. Now, >> I was going to say something there, but um >> well well that's what we're seeing here.
I mean our system now has uh turbines all over the country that most people are pretty sure now don't would do anything for us and and we've got men who claim to be women accessing women only spaces and it's legally allowed and the country is in an uproar against it.
It's it's >> what I've come to realize laminated with another cult with a a new they were laminating us with a culture full of lies that we don't want >> to have put upon us. We just want to be >> you know I worked as an as an activist uh debunking the climate [ __ ] for about nine years. No no no income all voluntary. Um I even turned down a job on the basis that if you pay me I won't come. So they they decided not to pay me. So I I went and that was the Galileo movement because I didn't want to be um accused of being doing it for money. So what I came to realize was that here was I working for nothing and I was fighting the government liberal labor both of them um on a matter that was complete [ __ ] that was a foreign inspired and and I was actually paying taxes to pay the government to come up with u things that would take more money off me. that this is how crazy our country is. And what I what I I came in touch with when I got into the Senate was many many people who are doing the same thing trying to fix problems in the country.
And every major problem in our country, Michael, is due to government. It comes out of federal, parliament, house. Every you know that you you you stood up magnificently in co every major problem.
CO wasn't a problem. CO was [ __ ] It was a fraud.
>> It existed. I'm not saying it didn't exist, but but it was never serious threat. We had no flu that year.
>> Money. That's right, Claudine. Money and control are the two two big motives. So, >> what I was going to say was Bob Carter, Professor Bob Carter, who was also volunteering. Um, he said that uh one day he and I were criss-crossing the country at our own expense debunking this climate fraud. And he just said to me in a break, you know, this is the biggest scam ever. And I said, ' It's not even close, uh, Bob. He said, 'What do you mean?' I said, 'The money scam.
They can print money out of thin air. If you did it, we'd be locked up. If I did it, I'd be locked up, but they got they've got a license to do it. Um, and and he said, "Yeah, you're right. That that is a far bigger scam." And I said, "But it's not the biggest." And he went, "What? What's bigger than the money scam?" And I said, "The anti-human scam.
At the core of what they're doing, Michael, is the the the belief and the message that humans are greedy, irresponsible, uncaring, unkind. We just don't care. We just do not care. Nothing could be further from the truth because I can see you standing or sitting at at a table and the fact that you're alive shows that someone cared about you. Because if you look at a horse, a horse for example, um the mother gives birth to the fold. It plops onto the ground and you know after 20 minutes or so it struggles to its feet and after 30 minutes it's it's trotting, walking, trotting and then it cidles up to its mother and starts suckling. Then after 3 months it puts its head down and starts chewing grass. So um so it becomes one of the herd and it moves with the herd but you know it's still still vulnerable but it looks after itself.
>> You and I popped out about this long from mom and completely helpless completely helpless we we had to rely on other people. So that's why I know that someone's cared for you. You know >> our parents mightn't have done the perfect job. They might have abandoned us and leave us to someone but someone cared for you. otherwise you wouldn't be here. And humans are inherently caring because the the caring gene if if there's such a thing got passed on. So the people who do take best care of their of their children, their offspring um get get to get to spawn more kids who survive. So humans are wonderfully caring. If if a kitten walked into your office right now uh in with a injured leg, you'd take it off to the vet. You know that >> Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. I see cars start to, you know, you see a bird that's got a broken wing on the side of the road, people are stopping to pick it up, >> you know.
>> So, humans care. We care about not only about ourselves, but our offspring.
Sometimes we put other people in front of ourselves. We care about the environment. It's a natural thing to do because we this we're nurtured in the environment. We care about our society.
We care about our country. But what happens in politics is that they just don't give a [ __ ] about it. and and so what happens is they'd rather follow the party dictates. They'd rather make sure they get reelected and pre-seelelected.
So they they bow to the party. When I first spoke in the Senate and in the early days, um I would call the Greens out as being anti-human because I I firmly believe they are uh and their climate agenda shows that. But um people from the Labour Party and the Liberal Party would walk up to me afterwards, pat me on back, literally pat me on the back walking down the corridor saying, "Keep going, mate. This is this is destroying our country."
>> But they wouldn't speak up. They wouldn't speak up. So >> Wow.
So they don't mind you taking the punches, you know.
>> No, but but you know what's happened? Um we're the first ones to talk about mass migration, immigration. first ones to talk about the housing crisis. I've been doing it for the last five years.
>> Yeah, >> Pauline's been been talking about immigration standards for the last 30 years. Um, we're the first we're the only party to not to reject net zero.
The only one.
>> The Nationals and the and the Coalition under Morrison um promised before the 2019 election to not to not bring in net zero. 18 months later, Morrison brought in net zero. The nationals agreed just nodded their head like donkeys. Uh and then when they when they realized that we were making the headlines by amongst the electorates.
>> Yes, Robert, you're right. The family group is being destroyed.
>> Oh, we see I mean look at u you know it started with toxic masculinity. There's no such thing you know but and you couldn't say that against any other group. You know be called toxic Muslims or toxic Jews or toxic women. Yeah, there'd be an outcry, but knock yourself out calling it against men. And um we have an enormous suicide rate amongst men in society and a lot of it is uh they die from shame. That's well known that that's you know their family broken >> and hopelessness and hopelessness bashing their head up against a brick wall. The family law court, a friend of mine describes the family law system as the slaughterhouse of the nation and he's right. It's set up to divide. It's set up to make money for lawyers. It's set up to smash the family because when you there are two basic structures for human society, successful civilized human society. One is the family and the other is the nation state. The United Nations, which is pushing a lot of agendas to destroy nations, is is after a one world global uh global governance and it it wants control and wealth transfer and they want to smash the family because when you smash the family, it's the it's the key source of welfare, support, care. When you smash the family, people look to the government and they become dependent on the government. And that is exactly what's happening.
>> Yeah, it's it's insane. It's hard because you're seeing it happen, but I'm sort of down here still traveling the country interviewing people as we go, but you're there at the Coalace, the new Coalace up there, and I see you like in the Senate Estimates Committee, and the and the politicians are so condescending to you, often not even wanting to answer questions, but even the ones on the same panels are so condescending to you, trying to shut you up. And I always think, hey, that's us shutting up.
>> Exactly. Exactly. You're telling all of Australia, "Shut up, you know, take your facts and go somewhere else. We got something better than facts. We got feelings, you know." So, >> but you've also got reason and you've got truth.
>> Yeah. That's how it looks like, you know, there's um it's and that's the frustration of it watching and I was watching it from our point of view, but how do you sustain it? How do you not get crest fall? And I know there's a a rise now, but what what keeps you motivated and firing and plugging away at these um well, I don't know who they are. I don't think they're idiots, but they definitely don't seem to be serving us. It's very rare for me to come across an Australian who really believes that the prime minister is serving us, you know.
>> Well, he's not.
>> He's serving an agenda.
>> Yeah. So but with with the public servants and the ministers when I'm asking questions in Senate estimates um they might treat me with disdain. Some of them treat me with fear. Some of them treat me with by trying to dismiss me.
The fear, the dismissal, the disdain, the arrogance, they're all symptoms of control and fear.
>> Yeah.
>> And always beneath control there is fear. And so they're trying to dodge the questions because they know they're not working properly. You know, there's no evidence been prevent been provided anywhere in the world.
>> Not by the CSRO, not by the UN, not by Bureau of Meteorology for the climate fraud and so many of the other things are just I mean there are two genders.
That's it. Two sexes, men and men, male and female. That's it. Full stop. End of story. you it doesn't matter if you cut your bits off or transplant bits on um your your chromosomes are either XX or XY that's it >> you cannot change that >> um that's it Ron's just made a comment no debate one source of truth the arrogance of these people but arrogance again is fear >> so so I don't engage because if if if they engage if I engage and get angry or pissed off. Only once have I felt really angry because I meditate an hour and a quarter every morning. So that keeps me calm. Yeah.
>> From India.
>> Uh actually I picked it up in Australia but I've been doing it since 20 2001 but uh it's a it's an ancient practice that was developed by Buddha. It's it's not Buddhist. It's non sectarian but it's just just wonderful vipasa meditation.
How does it help you?
>> I mean, do you just do you just get somewhere uh quiet and just sit there quietly or late? I mean, but how does it how does it affect your daily life?
>> Well, I try to get >> I don't do, but it's interesting.
>> I try to get somewhere quiet, but uh I've done it in an international airport terminals. I just spot down at the at the departure lounge. Um but what we tend to do is we tend to transfer things. So if you say something nasty to me that >> whether you it's not nasty coming out of you. It's only nasty when I interpret it certain way.
>> So you're I mean you can call me anything and that is a reflection on you not on me >> entirely on you but most people take it very personally and sometimes I do too.
But I'm able to feel that anger coming up inside and pick it up very quickly and realize hang on this is my [ __ ] It's not not Michael, it's my [ __ ] >> So that means when when a a minister or a bureaucrat uh chief of defense force, anyone starts having a go at me, that's that's his issue, not mine. So I just learned to let that go. Well, well, that's incredible because I I've seen um that is one of the things I get really angry at watching the Senate Estimates Committee and it's and it's with like-minded politicians that are asking questions and they and I think that nothing lets Australians feel powerless or uh than than that. Obviously, these politicians don't feel we deserve any answers, you know, and >> well, they're scared, Michael. They're they're scared. They're terrified of the truth coming out because a lot of them don't believe the [ __ ] they're speaking. They just don't believe it.
Many many bureaucrats don't believe the climate in the climate fraud. They think it's it's it's nonsense, but they still go along with it. And they still push it.
>> Yes, they do, but they're not very politicians try to get in power. Do you think most of them are motivated to get in power to really serve Australians or they just think it's a gravy train if you can get in? I mean, what what's the feel? Because I feel Australians now are just gravitating to anyone who looks like they're fair income, and that's the real word for it. That's why Pauline's doing so well. You're doing so well.
They're just that's what they gravitate towards.
Are they are they do they come in uh determined to sort of serve Australia and and and wrought great change and then do they get corrupted or how how's it work that we have so many so many politicians like we have in power is the best way to put it. As I said a little while ago, most politicians from even from the Liberal and Labor parties come in wanting to they care about the country and they want to do good. They're quite often stymied or um blinkered by ideology, but but they try to do good.
>> They're very quickly told you will vote this way, you'll vote that way on certain issues. And if they cross the floor too often, it's it's uh end of their end of their end of their career.
It's um what's the word? they just don't get pre-seelelected. So, they learn to keep party party discipline. Notice how it's turned into a positive. It's not cowardice. It's party discipline.
>> So, um so that's what and and what happens with systems if if if you change a system, you can change what people do, their behavior. If you change their behavior, you change their attitudes.
It's a bit like random breath testing.
remember back in the you and I are old enough to understand you got enough gray in your beard that um that back in the in the ' 60s '7s um the the the culture in Australia was to go ahead and get smashed on a Friday night, go ahead and get smashed on a Saturday night and the boys went out together and and the bigger a fooler you made of yourself, the more of a man you were, the more piss you could hold, sort of so to speak. And if you drank and then drove, didn't matter. But then people got got tired of the dead people turning up on roads, the the road fatalities. And so the the governments then first started advertising with with logic. And they said 65% of fatalities involve alcohol. Well, that had no impact. Logic doesn't seem to work on on on many people. And then the next thing they started doing emotional campaigns.
you know, dead babies lying in the middle of the road, mothers uh crying, dads uh locked up behind bars. That raised awareness, but it didn't didn't change behaviors. And so what happened was Victoria became the first state in the world to introduce random breath testing, and that changed behaviors.
That really did. As Humai said, men started taking their wives out on Friday and Saturday nights because they needed a driver. But now and he said hum is a pretty astute observer of of society and he said that it's probably one of the most far-reaching uh changes we've ever made because it changed the whole of society and so the attitude was driving is drive under the the behavior was you drive under the influence of alcohol and the attitude was it's okay nowadays then then when we changed with random breath testing it the the behavior changed to you don't drink and drive but The attitude slowly changed to say you don't drink and drive. See what I'm getting at? It's a behavior change.
>> So the system as we me mentioned a little while ago, the system is what drives behavior. So to change behavior, you got to change the system. And and Michael, the I've been highly critical of the World Economic Forum, the United Nations.
>> I know. Uh, you know, my first in my in my first speech, um, I was told, >> I'm in your cheer squad with popcorn, mate. You got to get him.
>> In my first speech, um, just before my first speech, a very a person who I highly respect. Um, won't tell you his name because it was the only mistake he made, but he he he called me up and he this person never gave advice, but he gave gave me piece of advice. She said, "Don't talk about Agenda 21 in your first speech." Because, you know, they'd call me tinfoil hatwear and all the rest of it. And in my first speech, I said, "We got to stop Agenda 21 and we've got to pull out of the United Nations."
Well, One Nation's policy now is stop Agenda 21 and pull out of the United Nations, the World ENO Forum, the uh World Health Organization. So, it's it's it's it's a matter of um just being true to yourself. Like my first press conference, James Ashby, he said, "You've just been elected senator, so we're going to a press conference." So, there were there was my wife and my one of our children, myself, and um we had all the journalists. We had a whole bunch of microphones in front of us and the journalists in a big U shape around us and one journalist off to the side a little bit separate from the rest. You know, they were asking me questions about what's your what are your hobbies, how many kids you got, what do you what do you want to achieve, all the nice stuff, you know, and this this this guy over on his own, he he suddenly said in a in a in words and a tone that that were in words that were fine, but the tone was like, "You're an idiot."
>> Yeah. Um, and he said he said in words that were absolutely fine, really polite, but basically the message was, you're that idiot that wants to that thinks climate change is is a is a scam to get global governance in place. And he was expecting me to do what most politicians do. No, no, no, no, no, Michael. It's okay. I didn't really mean that. What I meant was this. Instead, I looked at him and said, "That's right.
Next question." And he was absolutely stuffed. He didn't know what to do. But you got to stand up and stay strong >> on on those things otherwise that they'll eat you alive and and the Greens the Greens when I was first in the Senate would yell and try and put me off but I'm lucky I'm short so I'm closer to the microphone and so all I do is raise my voice and keep speaking you know and they soon soon learn you're not going to change him. So it's like Pauline Pauline is bashed for what she says but she says it and people admire her.
Yeah. Yeah. Well, what what they don't get is they try to call her a racist, but all around the country, and I even saw on SPS, you shared it the other day, the people that she's supposed to be a racist against are backing her.
>> You know, they got that guy gets up.
He's backing her. I love her. She's, you know, this is it. They're calling her racist, but >> I I don't meet people that don't like her. Everyone admires her.
>> Well, Brahman's just nailed it. They've also been treating her like an idiot.
Yeah, that's correct.
>> What happened was in 1998 she had two years she had had two years in politics in in Canberra and the Queensland election came and One Nation got 23% of the vote nearly a quarter of the vote and the Labour premier of Queensland at the time Peter Bey absolutely terrified and John Howard the Liberal Prime Minister absolutely terrified. So they colluded to knock her out and how did they knock her out? They put her in jail and then she she got led out on appeal.
She's the first political prisoner in this country. Um they they infiltrated her party from the inside, both Labor and Liberal to destroy from inside. They really picked on each of the 11 inexperienced members of parliament who are elected by uh for with with One Nation. Destroyed them, fractured them, splined them. Um, but the big trick they used was to call her racist because there's nothing worse than for a politician than being called racist.
It's a death nail. But you you know people and that that tells you two things. First of all, they're afraid of her. They lied. She has never said anything that's racist. She you know talking about black and white or Indian and Chinese and Australian Caucasian that's not being racist. It's when you say one race has superiority or more entitlements to another than another. That's being racist. She has always argued for the reverse. She's argued for equality under the law.
Equality of being treated based upon real needs. Our party name is not black nation and white nation. Our party name is one nation. And that's the complete opposite of racism. But what they did, what John Howard and the Liberals and the Nationals and and the Labour Party did was brand her racist, thinking that would kill her. And what what it happened, it almost did, but um she really feels hurt when people call it racist, but she realizes now that it's just a tactic. So um what what it did was >> Sorry, sorry.
So, >> so she's continued despite that and now people are saying she's never said a racist word, which is correct. She's not being she's the complete opposite. She's talking about bringing people together and treating them the same regardless of their race. And so that they they tried to they tried to smash her that way and that's why but what happened initially was people would would vote for One Nation, but they wouldn't tell anyone because they were ashamed of being dragged into the racist label. And um and now when people say racist, well, they hardly ever do, but but on the few that do, they usually get yelled at by the others, you know, because they realize it's complete [ __ ] >> Yeah. You know, she is such a symbol of Australia now. We admire her tenacity and yours. I'm This is why I reached out to you as well. I see you just plugging away. They're constantly trying to break you down because they don't debate. They they just use hery words, Islamophobic, transphobic, racist, climate denier, all these things because they won't debate.
But the reason the country is in such a a [ __ ] hole is because we haven't had rigorous debate in parliament. We just haven't had it. They they race through bills through. I mean, how do you deal with that when and not say lose your anger when you're in the Senate and you're presented with a load of bills that they're just going to race through and there's no time for true scrutiny or anything? I mean, this is the stuff that infuriates us. But how is it when you're sitting in the Senate and suddenly you have all these bills to go through before you're going to get on the floor and debate them?
>> Okay.
Sometimes Labor, when you say race through, some bills aren't even race through. They're guillotine through. No debate. Not even not even one word and debate.
>> How do they do that though?
>> How how do they how come how can they get away with that? I thought there's Isn't there a system in place that says no, no, this is what the Senate's for?
>> There is a system in place and it's called debate. first reading speech, second reading speech, third reading speech, committee stage, uh um debates by single speeches. Um so that's all it's all there part of what's known as the standing orders. That's the rules of how to engage in the Senate. But the Senate is its own master. So sometimes u people will they'll play all kinds of games. They don't give a damn about the country. They they play all kinds of games. So, so one party, the opposition party may drag out debate and debate and debate and just have get speakers up there for the maximum time each, you know, 30 speakers and drag it out when it's not needed. So, so what happens is then the government can say if it can get the numbers, it can say it can say, "Okay, there's been enough debate. Let's cut the debate short.
Everyone's been given a fair opportunity. Let's get on with it because otherwise we'll get nothing done." which is a fair option.
>> But sometimes the government in this case, which is a combination of the Labor Party and the Greens, combined, the Labour Party and the Greens have one more vote than the rest of us put together. So they can change the standing orders by themselves and the Liberals can can go against the standing or go go against their motion. We can go against their motion. We can all have our two Bobssworth. But they their votes prevailed and and they'll they have raced through 28 bills in a guillotine.
Not one word of debate on any of them and some of them the most farreaching consequences. But then the other the other thing that happens is that Labour Party and the Liberal Party are not not true to Australia. They will work together. the the major major bills that that are censorship and control bills have been the the digital identity bill, the identity verification bill, the u misinformation and disinformation bill, the um what's there's another one in there. Oh, the under 16 age ban, that kind of thing. They were all started under Scott Morrison, the Liberal Party.
they were implemented and pushed through the parliament by Anthony Albanesi.
So they they come together and then what you'll find is is that we we um Pauline and I held a conference, a public conference in in Brisbane here going against the misinformation and disinformation bill and and then we were successful in in putting pressure on the government because we got such anger from the people >> that we got pressure to to to delay it.
Well, that's that's one form of control.
The other form of control is they're trying to get rid of cash and cash as you know gives you choices.
So what they want to do is they want to feed the banks. Just remember that the banks own control Australia. The banks are control controlling the government.
The Labor Party and the Liberal Party both serve the banks and the banks people are under the delusion that we have four banks. That's absolute rubbish. We have one bank with four logos and that's what that's the and the reason is that the the all four of them each of the four of them have the same controlling interest. They're not a majority but they're the controlling interest and they're Black Rockck, Vanguard, State Street, First State or combinations of them and they're all interlocking ownership so it's very hard to unravel them but they're the controlling. So what happens is Albanesey recently cut the tax that that Black Rockck Inc. would pay on um in investment homes when they rent out apartments, cut the tax from 30% to 15%.
There are so many things when I when I researched the the um the climate scam and found it was conjured up by by um Maurice Strong who I want to get on to um from the UN senior person in the UN.
It um it was driven by the United Nations which was formed to do do the bidding of Black Rockck Vanguard State Street the people who control the wealth funds. Okay. So, and then then it's a matter of self-s serving and self-interested people along the way.
The whole of the climate scam, the whole of the climate scam was fabricated by one man, Maurice Strong. Maurice Strong was a Canadian billionaire who, get this, came from his own oil company. And who makes the money out of the climate scam? The banks.
And if we if we get time, I'll get get into that. But Maurice Strong created fabricated climate change. Now, Maurice Strong before he he he put out a report on the state of the planet. It was basically lies.
Um, and he was alone at the top near the top of the UN. He was second in charge of the UN. But because he was talking about the environment, all the diplomats, the hired hacks, the polit politicians, the bureaucrats didn't know much about the environment back in the 70s and 80s. But he started the United Nations environmental program off his off his report, which was full of lies. Um and and there were some environmental problems back in those days, genuine environmental problems, but they were being fixed up slowly humans because humans care. So anyway, Maurice Strong, United Nations Environmental Program, UNP came up with the idea of banning DDT, an insecticide that that was responsible for stopping malaria in America, Australia, and other places and Europe.
when they the banning of DDT was not supported by the science. It went against the science, but they still banned it anyway. And as a result of that, that was in about 1976.
Uh the UN banned it. And the United States Environmental Protection Agency, the head of their scientific investigation body into DDT, came back and said there's no science to to back the the banning of DDT. and the head of the Environment Protection Agency, the the senior bureaucrat, the director said, "It doesn't matter if this is political, we're going to ban it." So that was driven by the UN. So that and then in 19 sorry in 2006, the ban was lifted because the World Health Organization said, "We've got to lift it to stop the malaria that's killing people." And in in the time it was banned, Michael, they estimate 40 to 50 million deaths caused due to due to malaria from mosquitoes.
>> Wow.
>> So, so that puts Maurice Strong second behind Chairman Mau who is responsible for 60 million deaths. Maurice Strong 40 to 50 million deaths. Uh Joseph Stalin 40 million deaths. Hitler 20 million deaths. So, he's right up there with the mass murderers. But there's another thing that that grubby bastard did. He he wanted to do it to form a global carbon dioxide tax and carbon dioxide trading. You can't even measure what companies produce, but they wanted to tax it. And that was the global carbon dioxide tax.
>> That was the main plan to get >> correct for two reasons. For two reasons. First of all, Marie Strong, you'll love this one. Marie Strong was one of the founding directors and the ongoing directors of the Chicago Climate Exchange to exchange carbon dioxide credits which would make him a billionaire.
>> Plus, it involved Goldman Sachs through various vehicles and other major banks uh in the Chicago climate exchange. They took ownership of it. So, it was about making banks a lot of money and it was about making people billionaires. Al Gore was tied up and connected with that as well and he put out >> say that whole film was a fraud.
>> Complete fraud. Complete fraud. If if you if you watch that film and and say the opposite of what he tells you is true, but if you say the opposite of what what he what he says is true, then you're pretty pretty close to it. So, but the other thing was the United Nations was wanting a source of revenue because it became dependent upon the United States largely and some European countries for their funding. And then Donald Trump has said we're cutting funding. So that they they envisaged this. They wanted their own they wanted their own funding. So that was part of the carbon dioxide tax revenue as well.
It would go to the United Nations to give it a budget. Now, the United Nations, I'm very very pleased to say, is is uh begging for more money from from countries because it's running out of money. So, the bastards >> Yeah. which is wonderful. So, what I'm saying, it's a money-making scam. It's also a control scam.
>> That notorious globalist um Kissinger, Henry Kissinger, >> he's a bastard of a man. Um he said if you control money and they do if you control food and they're trying to and you control energy you control the whole country you control the whole country.
In fact he said you control the whole continent. So if you control energy which is vital for civilization you control food and money that's it you've got it tied up. That's what they want to do. the the United Nations senior bureaucrats uh Cristiana Figues for example uh Eden Offer for example have admitted have admitted that the climate scam is not about uh environment it is about a new world economic order is about putting in place an unelected socialist global governance and Maurice Strong himself that bastard said he had two aims with his life de-industrialize western civilization and put in place an unelected socialist global governance.
And what he said was uh what was the the exact words? The enemy is humanity itself. The enemy is humanity itself. So you're the enemy.
And and if you if you look I said a little while ago that these these bastards say put out the message and that our Gor movie was one of them. But their message is pervasive Michael. It says humans don't care. And then they say because you don't care let us rule your lives. Let us put in place sustainable development goals which is just [ __ ] for control. They want to control every aspect of our lives. And again this is not my words.
This is their their words. They want to control every aspect of your life. 17 sustainable development goals. What you eat, how you eat it, when you eat it, how you get it, where it comes from, how much you can eat. They want to cut out meat for example. this so so how you travel system uh what do they call it uh 15minute cities they want to control every aspect of your life they want to control education and our dopey bastards in Canberra have enabled that John Howard's Liberal National Party government put in place the first policy for having a carbon dioxide tax it was an emissions trading scheme he didn't put it into place but he put the policy into place to come into come into uh come into into four some years down the road, 2012.
Gillard beat him to it, breaking a promise. But John Howard put in place a renewable energy target, which is destroying our energy market right now, driving up the cost of living horrendously. He put in place the national electricity market, which is not a market. It's a racket that's controlled by the bureaucrats to drive uh high energy prices. We have gone from having the cheapest electricity in the world to having the highest price outside Europe. And only Germany, Britain, and France are above us. Most Europeans are below us. We are the world's largest ex I'm starting to get angry. We are the world's largest.
>> We are the world's largest exporters of of hydrocarbon fuels, coal, oil, and natural gas. We second largest exporter of coal, second or third largest exporters of natural gas. combine them, we're the largest exporters of energy products, hydrocarbon energy, yet we can't use the stuff here.
>> Yeah.
>> And and we know that the the key to this, the key to everything I can see in your room behind you, the key that you can see everything in my in behind me, if I look out in the city of Brisbane here and the suburbs, everything you can see is due to the ever decreasing prices of of oil, gas, and and coal. Energy has become cheaper. And now we have slaves in our house. Not animal slaves, not human slaves. We have washing machines, we have dryers, we have fridges, we have vacuum cleaners. And all of this has made our lives easier, safer, longerlasting, uh, and and much more comfortable and secure. Much more comfortable. A king or queen 200 years ago did not live as well as someone on welfare today. And that's not having a go at welfare systems. us having a go at the dramatic improvement in human lifestyle and lifespans in the last 170 years. Why? Because of ever reducing prices of energy. We have got slaves. The h the lower your price of energy, the more competitive you are in the international market. The lower your price of energy, the higher your standard of living, the lower your cost of living. Um and and human progress has been reversed. The driver of human progress is cheap energy. And our energy prices were ever reducing. Australia had the lowest cost of energy, electricity in the world. And we were self-sufficient for oil and gas. And now we're dependent. We we are completely dependent on other countries. And that's been deliberate. That is being bloody deliberate.
>> It's from our perspective, it's insane because we can't understand.
>> It is insane. But from a perspective of someone who wants to destroy us, it makes perfect sense. Or has an agenda to change the world to how they see fit, it makes perfect sense. And shaming us is a way of uh is a way of breaking people that they don't have the tenacity to stand up and fight back where, to be honest, this is what has to happen.
People have to stand up now and go >> Yeah. And they call me a climate denier.
they call me or whatever, you know, but that's done to intimidate. And when it doesn't intimidate, they run away. And and now we we've got in the Farai election, 65% of the votes were for parties or individuals who oppose net zero. 65%.
But I was a lunatic just a few years ago.
>> But the same with if you believe there are two sexes, two genders, you're a lunatic. Worse, you're transphobic. you you're decrying the people who are you know let's face it there are some hemaphrodites there are some people with with both male and female >> gender dysphoria I think I call it but it's rare it's like unicorns it's rare and mal >> you would have seen them in your youth they've been around with us for years you know just but it's very rare to come across one but you would come across one and >> but there there are there there are two forms first of all there's a genuine hermaphrodite who's got male or se or female or both and and they they are genuinely um both. But then there's gender dysphoria, which is discomfort with your own gender. So if you're a female um if you're an adolescent girl and you'd rather be a boy, that's gender dysphoria. But >> what what that what that is is generally almost entirely people grow out of that.
We all have questions during adolescence. It's natural because our brain is reminizing and we're going through enormous changes. and we have lots of uncertainties and and questions about ourselves and questions about where we fit in the world and that's natural. But if you leave them alone or at least give them some love and support, they soon change. And what's happening now is that if you dare speak up and say, "I don't if you're a girl or or a woman, you don't want men pretending to be girls in the toilets, then you're a transphobic." And what they're doing is and and the Greens would would stand up and say when I spoke against this crap, uh the Greens would say I was transphobic as a way of trying to shut me down. But you know, one on one occasion, the more I spoke, um eventually we got one green speaking and five green five people opposing them. So it's it's shifting our way.
people have slowly then the New Zealand Australian New Zealand >> um association for >> psychologists or psychiatrists came out and said gender affirmation is not suitable but it took them how many years to do that and we're still getting doctors pillared for for daring to speak up and tell the truth.
>> You know the science says there only two genders. That's it. Full stop. End of story. And uh and yet what they do is they try and shame you to shut you down.
But then if you stand up, they don't know what to do.
>> So they shame you. Is it because they literally don't have an argument? And because >> I down here on the streets, we have daughters, we have wives, we have mothers, and we also know that there is a portion of men who are predatory, sexually predatory. And you don't give them a green light to go into women's only spaces. You just don't do it. And it's I I even find the whole question of what is a woman an insult to all the women have who have made us. Everyone walking around on the planet came out of a woman. I'm sorry they did. It's this is sacred stuff, you know, and it's we that question was answered before we even left the caves. I And I find what's happening now and I think I'm seeing Australians uh realize it. It's just disempowered women. And it's basically said this guy who wants to believes he's a woman has just got more rights now in a hierarchy of rights. His rights are above every woman in Australia's rights. What we don't understand down here is why women are the ones defending and championing him. You know, he goes into court surrounded by women who are seemingly defending women's rights, but he's a bloke. I'm sorry. Yes. You know, and that seems to be madness for us, you know.
>> Well, Cindy's just said it here. Another breakdown of the family destroying children. Correct. You know, when you when you talk about the antihuman movement, which is the which is even more destructive than the uh than than the money scam, >> the desire to control money. The anti-human movement is telling every child right now that the world is going to end in 5 years. Why? Because of you.
because of you makes kids feel guilty.
It It drives crime rates because people say, "Well, young kids say, "What the hell? I've got nothing meaningful in life. I've got no purpose in life. I'm being treated like an idiot at school and I might as well go and pinch a car and and go for a joy ride." And why not?
>> You know, the the adolescent male, Michael, is is the peak of civilization in many many ways. Of course, it requires everyone is is a part of the peak of civilization. But the adolescent male, there's not a more altruistic, caring, energetic being on the planet. You give them a purpose and get out of the way.
But if you don't give them a purpose, they will create mischief.
>> Can I give you a beautiful story about that? We uh we were in Queensland and there we uh I just had I just come out of hospital. I hadn't been out of hospital long and there was like a long piece of rolling metal on the road. I couldn't understand what it was until I got close and realized it was an enormous python. So, there was all these cars coming. So, I'm not scared of snakes. So, I got out. I was going to grab it around the neck, but he was so big. I thought, "No." I grabbed him by the tail and I threw him off the road.
Then, Cal, cuz we were living in the bus, and Kel came around in the bus to pick me up. and the snake went under the bus and decided to camp on the uh the fuel tank where I couldn't get to it.
>> And I was like, what am I going to do?
>> A young trady, a young beautiful Australian tradey was stopped in a ute to go into a house and I said, "Mate, you any good with snakes?" He spent 40 minutes under that bus with me with sticks trying to prod this python out of snake because we didn't want to drive off. We didn't want to kill it. and 40 minutes. Anyway, he we finally got it out, mostly up to him. We finally got it out and threw it away. And I said, "Mate, can we do an interview with you?
Can we how can we?" He goes, "No, no." I said, "Can we purch some other Australians and he turned when it start clean by the end of because he been under my bus, he was covered in soot and muck. He didn't care. He just walked back to his job and went on with his day." And I thought that's the Australian male. And then another time when I was in Melbourne, >> excuse me, excuse me, Michael, that is the human >> male or female. He he was caring about you. He was caring about the python. He was caring about other road users. He had that full letter of words starting with C. C. Care. And that's what you demonstrated. I mean, you could have just said, "Ah, bugger, it's just a snake. Cars will run over it and kill it." But you thought, hang on, this could be an accident, etc. And and so before we get your story, I just wanted to finish off the bit about care. These bastards that are trying to control the world, the the the Maurice Strongs, they saying, "You guys don't care.
Humans don't care. Therefore, let us take over and tell you what to do because we do care." No one stands there and says, "Hang on a minute, Marie Strong. you're human, which means you don't care. So, the logic is completely ass up. They're saying humans don't care, but then they're wanting the power to care. And what they're doing is, you know, if if if I point a gun at you and I'm standing beside you and I point a gun at your face, everyone knows I'm controlling you. But if I if I cause you to feel guilt and fear and shame, >> shame. Yeah.
>> And that that's what I do. that that's what the globalists do. Then they can control you. And if they indoctrinate you from when you're just this this high in school, which is what they are doing, John Howard put in place the national curriculum which brings in material from the United Nations to to shame you, to make you feel as though >> all this grand stuff in school comes from.
>> Yeah. You're killing you're killing the planet. You That's right. So, so what's happening then is is that kids these days are growing up with shame, guilt, and fear and and enormous guilt. And so what we've got to do is free them up and say, "You are part of the most wonderful species on our planet. We're not perfect. We've got our Hitlers. We've got our Maurice Strongs. We've got our Eden Hoffers. But we are damn caring and we're we're very good people. That's what we've got to do."
>> Yeah.
>> Sorry, but you're going to tell us a story. Uh I just look back to how we used to be proud to be Australians. I have a podcast on Tuesday nights. Wade and he said something beautiful once. He said uh he just wants a country where his kids are proud to be Australians.
That's all his goal. That's what he wants. He and and at the moment they're not. And they're very confused and they don't know who the enemy is. And they feel like it's them. you know that just by being born they're they're endangering the planet. I know my son gave me a huge list of why he shouldn't be a father because of climate change and all this huge huge perfectly sculptured list. And then I said back to him, I said uh I said, "Well, I've got one reason why I think you should try be a father." And he said, "What's that?"
And I said, "I think you'd be a gorgeous father."
And and he cried. He cried.
>> Yep.
>> That was it. We're not perfect. You You're born in the plague. You're born in a war. You're born in a refugee camp.
It's you get here then you got to make the most. Look at you. You're born in India. And then you're you know you have to come to another country. You're speaking Hindi. Now you can't remember how to speak India. Now here you are at the forefront of great change in Australia. I mean I feel like we're in a uh an undeclared civil war >> fighting for the culture fighting for the culture of our time. But we and I see it here.
>> Uh like this uh this was taken at the shrine in the big march they had there.
Is it coming up? So here's us, the Australians here with our flags. We're just ordinary Australians who thought we had the right to protest. And here's these thugs in uh this is another one we took. This I took this one over my shoulder. They had armored cars in the streets shooting us. They were shooting people in the streets. And the MSM was there. They saw it. They didn't cover it. Instead, they went home and called us Nazis. But one of these guys pepper- sprayed me. And I'm not playing the victim here, but I got pepper-sprayed. I was there. Matt Lawson got shot and all that. And I was walking down Elizabeth Street in Melbourne blind. And some people pulled me to the side. And a lot of them were very young Australians.
They'd never seen this in their lives.
They'd never experienced armored cars or uh stormtroopers as cops. And they sat me on the side of the road and they poured milk on my face and they took care of me.
police could have been coming. They could have been arrested. They didn't care. They took care of me. A complete an old man, a complete stranger. And it and it just moved me. I thought, "This is the Australian spirit." I had to go through the [ __ ] of these cops who think they're doing the right thing to reach the true source of the Australian spirit, which was these young people who were caring for another Australian that they didn't even know. One of the guys looked at me cuz I was coming in pepper spray. He goes, "You can't wear that."
He gave me his top. He had two tops on.
He goes, "Here." And it was cold. He gave me his top.
>> I'll never forget it. I I get teared up thinking of it now because I think the hope is in the children and that's what they're trying to quash.
>> Right. You nailed it. And and as I said a minute ago, if I hold a gun to someone's head, you can all see I'm controlling that that person. But if I indoctrinate them from when they're very young, they don't even know that I'm controlling them. I'm controlling them with the climate narrative, with the with the energy narrative, with the food narrative, with the don't eat meat narrative, all of the [ __ ] There's the 17 sustainable goals which are tied up with the climate and part of the UN agenda 21. 17 goals that'll govern everything in your life. The other the other thing I I just mentioned is that seeing seeing you being attacked in the streets Melbourne was it seeing you being attacked in in the streets of Melbourne.
>> The re the pe the the core reason why we're in this mess in a country is not because of the United Nations World Economic Forum. It's not because of the Canberra politicians. It's because of the people. We are a democracy supposedly or a democracy.
A democracy can only be effective while it's people are active. For democracy to be effective, people have to be actively engaged. And I don't just mean turn up and vote. I mean do your research, be informed, and then vote in an informed way. But I don't just mean vote in an informed way. I mean between elections, every 3 years or four years in every state, you you you hold your your politicians accountable. Say, why did you vote for this bill? Why did you not vote for this bill? Why did what are you going to do about this? What are you going to do about that? I want you to I want you to vote this way because you're my representative.
You pay me. You pay me. I'm supposed to serve you. And and that's what people have forgotten. So what what we've got now is the people serving the government bow bowing to the government. What we need to have is to remember that we are a constitutional monarchy.
Constitutional monarchy. We are not a monarchy. In a monarchy, the king or queen give orders. They con they control they command. That's it. Full stop. In a constitutional monarchy, the king or queen serve with very limited powers the constitution. They serve the country.
And Queen Elizabeth did this extremely well. She recognized she was a servant.
And she only intervened when she had to.
And that was only accordance with the constitution. The constitution in our country is the supreme governing instrument. It tells us how to run our country. We are a republic. We are a republic. The only thing is we don't elect our our polit we don't elect a president because we don't believe in having title political hacks and bureaucrats to be to become president.
Instead, we've got an an independent queen who serves our constitution. So what that means is that the the group that is in charge of this country is the people of Australia. We have forgotten that. But it means that we should be having the politicians accountable to us. Instead, we're accountable to the politicians.
And and Michael, you know this better than anyone. If you have to give permission to do something, you are not free. You are not free. Our government has taken over our lives. And it's up to the people who are in charge. And it's the people who who should be running this country. And the people need to take charge. The solution is not get rid of the United Nations. We do need to get rid of the United Nations. No doubt about it. But they're not they they can't do anything without a politician in CRA. And a politician in Canberra cannot do anything without your permission and and and other people's approval. And that approval can sometimes be in the form of silence. So more people that speak up and stand up, the better better we we're going to be.
>> Yeah. I I've realized through these last 5 years of talking, interviewing people that uh the oxygen of tyranny is compliance. Tyranny cannot survive without mass compliance. And this is what we have to change. And that's why every time I see the Australians arcing up, I love it. It's participate. You you're blessed to be an Australian. It is it is such a wonderful country. I know cuz I live on the road now. I I it's it's from the I tell people now the only Laracans left are the Carllas who fly over the towns swearing at us all.
You know what I mean? I won't say it on here cuz they're here, but I've got a thing. But that's what they sound like.
And and I miss that. I miss the Paul Hogan. I missed the fact another perfect example. Do you remember the the there was an online was a sitcom called Mind Your Language where they had an English teacher at the front. They had all different nationalities in front of him and it used to be a comedy and we don't we're not allowed to watch it now because of racial stereotypes and it's seen as racist. Yet, I was doing a play for some Iraqi refugees, really great people, and they had a problem with the play and I was helping them fix it. And they said to me, "Oh, you want to watch our favorite show?" It was that show.
So, the show that we as Australians aren't allowed to watch because we'll be seen as racist against these people is that's people's favorite show. They love it. And that's what Australians used to have. We used to have >> Yeah.
>> It wasn't a fear of being offended. If you got offended, stand up for yourself, call it back or laugh it off. This was it. But now it's not so much in about an intent of why you do something, but it's really about is someone offended, you know, and it's and it and the offense is a way of shutting free speech. And what is your thoughts of the importance of free speech to an economy, not just to a culture, but to an economy? Oh, there are so many things uh in response. Um first of all, offense. You cannot give offense.
You can only take offense. Doesn't matter what you say about me. It's got nothing to do with you. It's got everything to do with how I take it. You can say whatever you want. And and it's it's only if I take offense that I that I feel offended. That offense comes from within me. That's the first thing. 18C has been has been passed by one of the past governments. No, no, in Australia 18 C um human rights discrimination 18 C. Um it says well basically that you you can offend people. You can't offend people. Okay. So that that's the first thing. The second thing is that our country is has got more resources per person than any other country in the world. We are blessed with a climate that is bountiful. We can grow anything here almost any time of the year. It's some part of our country. Uh we've got energy resources. We're the largest exporters of energy products in the world, but we can't use the stuff here uh to generate cheap electricity. and and the reason why we've lost our cheapest electricity status is because of uh John Howard and the Labor Party as well pushing pushing solar and wind and mandating it. So um so we've got resources, we've got climate, we've got water uh not a not a hell of a lot of it, but if we manage it properly, we've got more than enough.
We've got untapped water going to going to sea up in North Queensland that we could be redverting and making much more >> river dam. Yes, we've got Argyle Dam sitting on its own just about hardly being used. Uh what what else have we got? We've got soils. We've got Darling down >> artisian basin darling. We've got so many pockets of uh large pockets of of rich soil that were underutilizing. We have got we're blessed with resources.
We've got the world's biggest market to our north, Asia, and it's we're closest than any other than any other western country. We're blessed with wonderful farmers, a really wonderful farmer.
>> We don't have to go through any straits of Hermuz to deliver our product to these Asian countries.
>> Y, >> you know, >> and they want our clean >> they want our clean produce. They want our clean food, our pure food. Um, and so what we've got is that huge potential.
But there's one thing we lack and that is a population. And we've also got educated workforce, an educated population. But there's one thing we lack. People standing up and saying to the politicians, where's your vision?
Because you name someone who's got vision in this country. It's it's so so rare.
>> Um Paul's got a vision.
>> Vision backwards. I'll show you what I mean. You look at a picture of the 1970s, right? Or 60s. I mean you 60s but especially specifically say the early 1970s of say of Melbourne, Sydney or any country town in the picture we built everything the clothes that the people are wearing the shoes that they're wearing the hats that they're wearing the cars that they're driving the buildings the bricks for the buildings the metal or the wood that goes for the windows and the doors the washing machines inside. We built the toasters.
We built the the co everything. We were thoroughly independent. How have we benefited as a nation to where we are now that the only thing we're really good at making now is cappuccinos.
>> Oh, and videos.
>> And videos.
>> Yeah. But no one can. And it's like a thing to how we benefit is obviously this is globalization, but here we are now at the front end of it and we our children can't afford houses. They've got a trillion dollars worth of debt. Uh and and basically the cost of living is so we're living in a we're staying at the Donny Brook at the moment in uh they get the old race courses and they make them uh transit camps. You can get a cheap place to stay before you're moving on. It's full of people who are homeless. You know, hardworking Australians who want to work who can't get jobs. I mean, I don't I don't see how we as a culture are benefiting. I mean, there's some rich people that are, but the majority of people don't seem to be benefiting from the policies of the past. And we need something new, which is why I think everyone's gravitating toward One Nation because we can't see how the others could do anything more than just take us down with the ship.
>> Well, the sad thing is what you're saying is true. It's absolutely true.
It's correct. The even sadder thing and the more criminal thing is that that decline in Australia has been planned decline. It's been managed decline. It is deliberate. It is deliberate.
>> Um and what we've seen is over the years we've been told by the globalists interdependence is wonderful.
Interdependence is wonderful. Michael depends on Malcolm. Malcolm depends on Michael. Isn't that great? Kumbaya the reality is that when you are interdependent it means you are dependent. We were completely independent. Completely independent as as back in the 1920s, 1930s, 1940s, 1950s. Everything we needed was made here. We exported a hell of a lot. We we developed Sydney's underground train network, I think, in the 1920s. The water system was started in the 1920s.
Massive infrastructure. We only had 5 million people in Australia, not Sydney, Australia. And we did that without today's mighty machines. And look at us.
Look at we can't even drill a tunnel now with an imported drilling machine in Snowy. You know, it's just ridiculous.
But but some of us have got some vision.
And we we for example, you might not have heard of the um uh the east west crossing, the northern crossing. Uh it's a railway line to go from Mumbar, which is in the east in in central Queensland's coal fields, which are the best coals for making coing coals or steel in the world. a railway line that goes from there to the west coast around the iron or fields in the Pilbra so that we can take coal that way and bring iron or back the other way dramatically reduce the costs. Uh open up the whole of inland Australia, the whole of Northern Australia, the Northern Territory, Western Australia, Queensland, have magnificent steel um steel blast furnaces in both Murmbar and in in uh in the West. And we become the cheapest producers of the best quality steel in the world. Would drive would drive our manufacturing and drive our ship building. Amazing. Would improve our security. We can move troops, tanks, anything from one part of the country to the other. We can't do that at the moment without going all the way down and across 5'3 gauge lines, four 4'8 gauge line, 3T 6 gauge lines. You can't do it. But this would enable it all to happen and we would dramatically reduce our environmental impact. So, and we'd have so many byproducts from steel, modern steel making. We have got major steel mills in in in other countries in the major steel producers now interested in this and and so and there's there's no need for government investment apart from a commitment of possibly a couple of hundred million dollars which is tiny tiny tiny just to show these other investors and Australian investors that the government is serious. That's what you call vision.
>> Yeah.
>> And that's what we need for our children.
>> No vision. We haven't had vision. I can't remember a politician in power who's offered us any vision.
>> I can't remember when, you know, there uh and to be honest, I'm part of the group that had didn't engage in politics. And what I think happened is we've had all these decades of easy living and we grew apathetic. It's like a ship left in a in a port that gets covered in barnacles, but now we're having some hard times. those barnacles have been washed off and I actually think Australians going, "Okay, we got to fix this now. This is this is getting out of hand." And so I'm hoping someone like yourself, Pauline Hansen and the others with you, Barnaby Joyce and others will be the ones inspiring people. Look, this is how we stand up.
This is how we do it. And this is what we want. We want our children to be proud to be Australians to flourish. You know, I had I had a police officer pull me over because we were at some remote area near a we and he goes, "Oh, you can't park here, mate. You know, it's against the law." He said this. And I said, "But there's no one here, mate."
And it's just Australia. No, there's no one here. People have been camping here for, you know, hundreds of years. And he go, "Oh, no." And uh and I started talking to him. I said, cuz he was new to Australia. I said, "What are you going to teach your kids? It's not that I don't want obey laws, but there was no practical sense for no one could stay there. Even at places people could stay.
They're obviously locked off. And he said, "Oh, you know, if you injure yourself here, you know, you could sue the government." I'm thinking, "Well, you can't pussyoot through life till you arrive at death safely. You know, we're going to hurt ourselves." But I said to him, "What do you want to do?"
>> Did he offer to change your nappy? Did he offer to change your nappy?
>> That's what I mean. But I said to him, "With your children, what are you going to teach your children? You're going to teach your children. Look at this vast sky. Get unfill their wings. You can become anything you want, child. Or are we going, don't say this, don't say that, don't say this. A man can be a woman and this and you're going to destroy the world. What are we offering our kids? We're offering them hope or basically we're offering them a path to the euthanasia clinic cuz you might as well get out of here. You're unwanted. I mean, this is where we're at. We got you and Pauline and One Nation and the other independents offering hope. and we got the other ones taking us to somewhere that is not conducive to our human souls or our wallet. That's how I see it from where I am on the ground talking to homeless Australians and other Australians, vaccine injured Australians. I had a an old man come down here today, 82 years old, very vaccine injured. He's he's not antivax, he's provided me, but I go to the doctors, they won't talk to me. I'm I'm trying to find my own cure. And he said, "But I want them to just acknowledge me and go,"Well, we effed up. How do we fix it? Study me.
I'm old. Try to figure out what went wrong and fix it." But instead, I just get silence. And I'm cast out of society. This is an old man who came down to meet me and have his say. And it's it's very moving. But he actually wants to help. He's got a vision. He wants to, you know, it's it's frustrating that you've got this this wall of a bureaucracy that doesn't seem to be interested in us.
It's not it's not interested. It's interested in covering it ass because it got railroaded into into the um co injections never tested. I asked a question in Senate estimates, you probably know about it, of the therapeutic goods.
>> I watched all your go ahead.
>> The head of the head head of the therapeutic goods administration that approved what do they called it? Um uh preliminary approval. Um any not emergency use, but um anyway, they they approved the vaccines. They're not vaccines. They're injections.
>> They're not vaccines at all, but they approved it. So I said, "What testing did you do to approve those injections?"
"Oh, Senator Roberts, we didn't do any testing here in this country." We were told they did.
>> Yeah, we went. So, so then then he said, "No, we relied upon the Food and Drug Administration in America." At that bloody time, Michael, it was already public knowledge that the Food and Drug Administration of America did no testing at all.
>> I know >> it relied upon the the results from FISA >> and FISA had already killed 1,200 people in their trials >> and then then they ended the trial very quickly.
>> The biggest fines in human history for all I asked that question. I asked that question as well before the vac before the injections were released. I said FISA has had fines of $700 million, $800 million, $2.4 billion. And the head of the therapeutic goods administration, I think it was him. It was might have been the chief medical officer said, "Oh, but that was about uh marketing, false marketing."
What?
False marketing is entirely an integrity issue and you're relying upon these bastards to do your testing. Come on.
>> You know, they they just don't think >> Yeah. They're >> frighten someone just someone just said that she doubts that FISA's trials killed 1,200 people. It's on record FISA killed vaccine trials killed, 1230 people. Full stop. End of story. Fact.
And then what they did was then then what they did was they said to the unvaccinated the the u in the trial it would now be immoral to not give you the vaccine. So they deliberately injected everyone so you couldn't get get any further results.
>> Yeah, that's right. You couldn't tell with the placebo from the ordinary people. Yeah.
>> Yeah. I know this it's it's Yeah. The whole thing I mean as far as I can see co was a Pearl Harbor attack.
It's almost like it's changed their lives completely. People say it's behind us, but I say there's before co and after co Australia has changed. Um a perfect example is uh uh we we used to love Paul Hogan. I mean we used to adore Paul Hogan. He was like our ambassador to the world. We used him as our ambassador to the world. He sold fosters and he had this great thing saying uh what did he say? thrown >> which I never actually heard anyone say before him said it but suddenly it's very Australian where now it's like and throw your neighbor under a bus you know it's like suddenly it's okay to do people it goes against the fundamental of who we are and I think like you say I think the reason they got away with it is people are caring when they sold the propaganda save your save your community I think people said yeah I do that I want to save you know we're we look after each other we're a group, but >> Granny's going to die.
>> Yeah, Granny's going to die. But what we couldn't get past or what a lot of people can't get past is what you say now everywhere. The government doesn't care for you. And I think a lot of people are stuck there. They can't believe the government doesn't care. But the evidence is overwhelming now, >> Michael. There were 30,000 excess excess deaths due to the CO shots. 30,000. We know that for a fact.
We also know that in Victoria in um WA, Western Australia and in Queensland, the CO shots arrived in those states before the virus did.
>> So we know that the deaths are attributable to them only to those shots, but we know from statistics that 30,000 excess deaths due to the CO shots. We could see it going above the normal normal um limits of of variation.
things vary within normal range and and they went outside that and stayed outside that from for for years and and this they still occasionally go outside that and we still know that people are dying from the shots. We know that for a fact. It's not just Australia, it's other countries know that.
>> I'm still interviewing them. Myself, Rosemary Marshall, um George Kzich, there's there's a group of people still interviewing these fax and injured people and people tell us, "Oh, this is over." But I interviewed I think a few months ago a father who was working in the health industry. His 21-year-old son had to have a heart transplant because of myocarditis where the you know where the new he was a big strapping healthy young Australian. Now he looks like a changi >> uh prison prison thing and and he's trying his best to get better. He wants to be positive which I really admire but the state did this to him. I interviewed another man in Bendigo, five kids, three of them now are on >> pacemakers for the rest of their lives, pacemakers because of FISA, all different shots and all different batches. And he's just he wanted to talk to me, but he feels hopeless. He's okay, we got to make the best of it now, you know, and when in actual fact, the one thing these people want is acknowledgement. These 30,000 people deserve acknowledgement. If CO was a war, then these people are the victims of that war. We got shrines to everyone else who uh fought and died in war. So why aren't we building shrines to those who basically were injured and died in the CO debacle doing what the government told them to do?
>> No. I've got to answer a question here from Jan Murphy. Is that 30,000 CO deaths in Australia, Senator Roberts?
No. Jan, it is 30,000 plus excess deaths due to um vaccine or injection injuries.
That's what that 30,000 is. We know that for a fact. The other thing is um I do not take any interest in whether someone's been had made made a decision to get injected, whether they were forced to get injected, whether they didn't get injected.
You we were all the to the the target of the the world's greatest propaganda campaign ever.
>> And you were told that granny will die if you don't take a shot. And because you care, you took the shot. That's the only reason they prayed on your care just like Al Gore in his movie prayed upon the care >> that used and they fell victim to the world's largest propaganda campaign. It was never tested. It was known to be faulty and it is now coming out and more and more. Uh the other thing I mentioned why same old things control and wealth transfer control of the population. And they brought in many uh they took away many of our human rights. They took away many of our freedoms, basic rights. And they also got $18 billion from our government for nothing. For nothing.
>> Billion dollars.
>> $18 billion went to big farmer.
>> Well, I'm trying to interview uh Clive cuz I want to document what happened with all the hydro hydroxychloricquin that he purchased that they destroyed. I think that's this great crime, you know.
>> Oh, it is.
>> This is it's staggering.
>> Well, Ivormectton, as you well know, Michael, uh is a proven, safe, essential, effective, won a Nobel Prize, >> accessible. It's it's been handed out in four billion doses around the world.
>> The countries that had um ivormectin in use for presenting preventing par parasites were not not not affected by COVID. India, the state of uh UDA Pradesh was it? I'm not sure that state decided to hell with the UN. They're going to use ivormectton. They stopped it overnight basically just within days.
Um Ivormectin is known to to be a cure for for um COVID. And then then our therapeutic goods administration, our government said uh you're all what is it? Science deniers. Well, Pierre Corey, who was suspended in America for for for um talking about ivormectin, promoting ivormectin, he's got a hundred papers, peer-reviewed scientific papers that prove ivormectin is effective, safe, and and even if even if it hadn't been effective on on CO, why the hell wouldn't you try it when it's safe? It's been given in four billion doses and and the the only side effect is sometimes sometimes very rarely headaches mild headaches. I mean it's a no-brainer. But why did they ban ivormectin? Why did they demonize it calling it horsepace?
Because whileever they have ivormectin as a proven cure, they wouldn't been able to put the injections in through that emergency use. That's it.
>> They would be able to roll it out. I know you've got to go soon. I just have a >> I'm enjoying this. Let's keep going.
>> I Oh, great. I've got one big question.
But the other thing here is when I was talking to this when I I talked to lots of people. I mean I talked to uh even doctors now I've interviewed doctors who've stopped being doctors cuz they don't want to work under opera and from >> good people.
>> Yeah. I want to speak from an I think a normal person. Say you're my doctor.
What I want from my doctor is someone I can trust to tell me the truth. Unedit.
>> Excuse me. Excuse me just a minute. Jane Dem has has really nailed a very important point. She said, "I was brought up that we don't sacrifice the young for the old. The old have lived a life and the young are just starting."
Every animal in the animal kingdom and every bit every piece of our history shows that you the the old will sacrifice themselves for the young. We did the reverse in this country and in America. We sacrificed the young for the old. It was complete lie. Keep going, mate.
>> I know. I actually interviewed grandmothers who've actually said, "Don't touch us. Forget about us.
Protect the young." I mean, basically how they were selling it was like, "If we were the Titanic was sinking now, forget about the women and children. Get the nursing home residents into the lifeboats." I mean, it just doesn't make any sense. But um but what we want, say you're my doctor, what I want is I want you to be someone who'll tell me the truth. No matter what it is, you'll tell me the truth. And then if you find something in me that oh that you know I've been injured by vaccine I think that's a vaccine injury. You are under no fear of losing your jobs you can say hey guys look we got a problem down here at the coalace. Uh I'm seeing a lot of injuries from this vaccine. Maybe we should recall it. That's how we want the system to work. But we now know cuz while people like me have interviewed all the doctors who've been dregistered for questioning the vaccine. We all now now our doctors are are gagged. you're no longer in the room with a with a surgery with a doctor. You're in the room with a doctor and opera >> and and so what what are your views on OPA moving forward? Because from what I'm talking people I talk to, we we don't see any use for them except to gag our doctors and protect big farmers products and that goes against health.
That goes against medical medical u independence. No, you made a perfect summary. Opera is useless. Opera is actually dangerous. Opera is stifling health in this country. Opera is is stifling doctors in this country. You go to medical school for what? Seven years, five, six, seven years. By the time you finish your internship, you come out. If I go to you as a doctor, I want your advice on my condition. Not reading off a list and say, "I'm not allowed to say this, not allowed to say that, not allowed to say something else." You know, the people in in Opera would be the last people I would go to for medical advice.
Yeah. Yeah. In fact, I'll say this online while I've got you here because it might have some reach. I interviewed Dr. Hobart who had a heart attack while he was on suspension. And uh I've got this on video. He told me that before he was uh suspended and be uh and before they suspended uh Ivormect, one of the heads of Opera came to him with a vaccine injury seeking a prescription for ivormectin. Then they banned it and then they suspended him. I have that on tape. He's a humble man, but you could get it out of him because I >> He's a wonderful man.
>> That just shows the hypocrisy of it all.
But the main >> is it seems that Pauline and you guys, the one nation are on path to becoming uh initially the actual um what you call it uh the opposition. But what happens if you actually get in? because I could feel that it's a possibility. Is Is it a possibility you guys could get in? And what do you think would happen?
>> It is a possibility. There's no doubt about that. Um people more and more people are waking up. Farah showed so many people are waking up much more than the than the 10 15% than I thought that I thought were awake. Much much more.
And and they were hungry for he he's David Farley, our candidate, is a fantastic man in his own right. combined with one nation, he got an amazing victory, a landslide victory. Yes, we're we're on course to get government. I don't know when it'll be, but that's in the hands of the people, but we've got to wake the people up because once they're aware of the facts, they they know that there needs to be a change.
People, as a result of the last 12, 15 months, probably 18 months, people now know the uni party is a fraud. They now know that they were liberal blue, labor red. They're both similar. The policies on immigration, on housing, on energy, on climate are basically the same. And they're dishonest. The only breath of fresh air is One Nation. and One Nation.
The the thing is that we are made up of people who are everyday Australians rather than have bureaucrats and people who've come up through the ranks of of the party hacks uh and academics running the country uh following orders from overseas. We would be far far better to let let everyday Aussies have a go.
It's like you guys are um at the forefront of a ro I call it the tsunami of common sense. Everybody's going >> we've had enough and the tsunami of co came in but there's always it goes out and and it's the tsunami of common sense. We've had enough you know. Yeah.
Okay. If you're a mature guy and you want to dress as a woman or you want to go to sex change, no problem. you know, free country, do what you want, but just stay out of the females toilets and don't participate in female sports cuz it's not fair. And fair is a part of our national anthem. We we like fairness and someone who was born a bloke is obviously going to do better at certain sports than those who born into women.
And it crushes the dreams of young girls.
>> That's that's that's what I hate. Our young women have a right to bespoon their dreams and compete against other biological women, not against young guys who are confused. It's not >> right. The other thing I'd add, I I've already said and I firmly believe it, that the biggest problem we have is governance. Every major problem comes out of this bloody building in Canberra called Parliament House. And the main reason is they're working not for the ser not not to serve the people of Australia. They're working to serve their masters, their their donors, their vested interests, the globalists, the people who pull the strings, their party power brokers in in in dark rooms behind the scenes. That's what they're working for. And they're able to get away with it because they don't follow the data.
They don't get the data. They is someone's asked the question, who the hell are they? Or my super was taken.
the globalist basically Black Rockck, Vanguard, State Street, First State, Black Rockck, Inc. So, um, yeah, they don't follow the data. If you look at the data on climate, we we have a fantastic team of people that I've been working with since I got into the Senate. One of them is just unbelievable. Um, he's just he's just Yeah. One nation or no nation. Exactly, Jen. He's just just a stunning person on statistics, on data, on he loves nature, he loves exploring. He's so objective.
Um he's he's good on maths and he can combine data. He has gone around Michael legally scraping data from places like Cyro, United Nations, uh Bureau of Meteorology, Med Office in in the in um Britain, u NASA and he scraped 24,000 24,000 data sets on climate and energy.
The climate climate ones show not one change in climate just natural variation or cyclical variation every 40 years.
The central England temperature record which is completely independent shows 40-year peaks 40-year troughs. 40-year peaks 40 year troughs for ever since 1659 or whenever it was the longest temperature record. There is nothing happening in it in in climate anywhere in the world that indicates a change.
just natural inherent variation.
What they do is when the when the when you have your 40-year peak, they look at the last 10 years and they say, "Oh, it's increased in in temperature, but they they don't show the next 10 years going down." They don't show then they show the next 10 years going up and then they talk about global warming. And then they they make up stuff. Then you see pictures of um of uh fires, you see pictures of storms which have been entirely natural.
And and then they say this is climate >> indoctrination. Exactly. Indoctrination.
Indoctrination. Indoctrination. And if you're if you're a child who's uh 15 now, you've had 10 years of indoctrination at school being told that that climate is your fault and that every every blip you see is is a change.
It's not a change. It's just natural inherent variation. So they don't use the data. They make [ __ ] up completely and then they say on that we should have this policy. and that we should have this policy, this law, this this law and CO is going to kill you and there's no evidence for CO being oh look that's another question I asked of um therapeutic goods administration the chief medical officer and the department of health uh secretary of the department of health back in 2021 was it excuse me um I said I want to know the severity of COVID 19 and I want to know the transmissibility and I want it in two forms. I want to know the the absolute numbers what they are quantify that for me and I want to know it relative to past flu and and uh and so on and for once I got a phenomenal answer.
I got a graph looking at it from your way be like this. They got a graph severity up here and uh various years along here since the Spanish flu. Okay.
They had a line dividing the into thirds. High severity, medium severity, low severity. Guess where CO was?
>> I reckon right at the lowest low.
>> It was low to moderate. Now if it wasn't high severity. Yeah, we were told it was it was high severity. It wasn't high severity. It was low to moderate. If you think about >> if you think about it, >> low to moderate and captures all the people of Australia.
>> So that means it was moderate for the most susceptible which would be the elderly, the immune compromised, the the vulnerable.
Healthy people had nothing to worry about. Nothing to worry about. But the whole world was turned upside down because of that. And we were told all kinds of lies.
>> And then the transmissibility was nothing nothing unusual either. And and and there were there were past flu that were more severe than CO past flu.
So this is what lie we were told. And and and yet when you ask them for the for the their modeling is rubbish too.
This someone just put it up there.
That's correct. The modeling was complete garbage. It was put out by a man Neil someone or other. uh Ferguson from from the UK who had a terrible record for modeling and he was completely proven wrong and he's the bastard who broke the rules in Britain for uh for escaping curfews you know lockown remember that parties >> you know and then we have >> moving away from the data myself hoodie John Lau uh several other people we're in we're in the we're a part of the group uh >> fraud is fraud whichever way you slice it says Linda Yes, keep going.
>> But we're a part of the group that didn't take it. Now, we're very well connected to our community everywhere.
No one, we've heard of no one in our unvaccinated community who died of CO and what we do is we go to uh gatherings and I had uh you know Dr. Phil Alman about 300 people and I said to him, do these two questions. Say to the audience, "Stand up if you know of anyone who just died of CO. Nothing else. No extra comp just CO." One person might stand up. Usually no one. And then go, "Stand up if you know of anyone who's been injured or killed by the vaccine." And the entire room stands up.
We've done this about five times all over Australia. Always the same result.
You don't need a graph. Just ask the people and the room will rise up and and you film it. You film it. Now, uh, in America, they're doing it in America.
Nick uh the Mullik. We interviewed the McCullik people.
>> Nick Culture.
>> Yeah, Nick Culture. We interviewed him two or three times. Great guy. He's doing it over there in America now. Same result.
>> So if you don't if you if you can't read graphs, then just look at this. The people have seen it. That's why we're not you can't keep lying. At some point you're in an abusive relationship.
the the victim has to realize they have the power and they just have to say enough. No, not doing this anymore. And then the perpetrator can't the abuser can't do it. And at the moment, we're in an abusive relationship with our politicians and the country.
>> You know, Michael, horrendous.
>> Yeah. Michael, the health minister up here was a political hack who had been a health who had been a member of the federal parliament. the health minister up here, I Darth at the time in the state. She went from the federal to the state.
I was listening to her at a at a press conference and I was driving along in the car and she said uh brought in new rules. This was I can't remember the year it was 2020 20 yeah early 21 whenever um at the height of the the madness. And she said, "From now on, people will have to wear masks in cars."
And a journalist, I heard his voice clearly. He said, "What about if you're the only person and you're alone in the car?"
There was a pause.
Yes.
She had no clue. She just decided on the spot. That's the science we had doing this this nonsense. And then we had Greg Hunt, who I don't have much regard for.
He was the federal health minister.
He said, "We are engaged in the world's largest clinical vaccination trial."
>> Yeah.
>> They had not done the testing. They had not done the testing yet. They rolled it out. Emergency use in America. Well, um, provisional authorization, I think, was the word in this country. Regardless, it was temporary. Uh and and and then they had so many injuries. And then there's that Astroenica ruling and they they withdrew them in from the court in America in in Britain. I mean it was just insane. It was it was worse than insane. It was inhuman. It was in have a joke that usually we test stuff on mice.
You know when they say oh we got a cure for cancer and then they go in mice. And we have a joke that this was the first time that the mice paid for the uh paid for the experiment, the trials, and they decided to trial it on humans for us cuz they weren't dumb enough to take it. And and then at the end of it, they said, "No, we'll be fine with our immune system. Thank you very much." And because it is carnage out here, there's, you know, you have these people turning up, young people who are can no longer do sport and they're all being forgotten about. I used to say there's a new underclass in Australia below the antivaxes and the drug addicts and all this everything else they trying to make us look bad and that is the vaccine injured of Australia. If you've been injured by a vaccine, you're forgotten about except by certain parties like yourselves and the Jared Renicks.
There's um a and then people like us and the fabulous Rosen Marshall and George Kzik who go out there and interview them otherwise they're forgotten about and they did what the government said and they were good Australians because the government was saying you got to be a good Australian to take this otherwise you're out of the community. And here we are. There's uh I I I find it the crime of the century or the one of the greatest crimes in Australian history is that the government has basically uh either they they didn't know and they've just done it ignorantly and they just want to deal with the fallout or uh they purposely knew and I can't see any other way that they could have done it.
you know, especially banning ivormectin if they really cared about the health of the nation, they would have said, "Sure, try ivormectin, try hydroxychloricquin, try vitamin C, try getting out in the sun, like you know, not instead of being locked down." These were draconian methods. And I think I >> just to finish. So someone said to me the other day and I I've been using this now. PTSD from the COVID era from who whichever way you you went whichever way you swang is the new normal in Australia. And that's why we've become silent because we're actually suffering from PTSD or a lot of us.
Yep.
And and that raises vets. The the abuse of vets, the they they don't treat them properly when they get home. They discourage it. I mean, a veteran has stood up for us.
>> Yeah.
>> Stood up for us. And we what do they say? We we send them, we bend them, but we don't mend them. and they go through all kinds of elaborate training to to um to make them fit in. So they basically change their psyches to make them fit in. Then they expose them to all kinds of horrors and then they arrest them in channel 9 plane uh channel 9 arrests them on the plane in the tarmac in Sydney airport when when he when Ben Robert Smith said he would willingly go in. Now the point is that man is deserves a trial. He deserves a trial.
If he's guilty, he's guilty. I don't think he is, but if he's if he's guilty, then he's guilty. If he's not, then he should be left alone. We've got trial by media. So, but we're not, you know, a veteran who's not a decorated veteran has given so much of their life and then they're treated as scum.
>> Yeah. Abs. And the ISIS brides are allowed in. I I I think they're going to bring in more.
>> Shouldn't it be a court marshal with Shouldn't this let the army handle this?
This is why why is he being you know this to me Afghanistan was like Vietnam the these are dirty wars and most of us didn't even know they were there fighting for us so we didn't even know and we're judging them with the morality of uh a latte swilling drinker in some uh cafe in Sydney with these people are in Afghanistan watching their friends getting killed and just I I I just Yeah.
It's does my head in.
>> Yep. And then as someone said they they treated these as as crimes. They they didn't treat the COVID mismanagement and homicides as crimes.
>> No, not at all.
>> But just before before we say goodbye to CO uh as a topic, One Nation is pursuing a royal commission into it. We'll continue. We have already got um I won't go into the details but we managed to get the Senate on board for developing the draft terms of reference for possible future Royal Commission and they are brilliant. Um the the lawyers that came together, the doctors that came together in the Senate inquiry that that my motion uh resulted in were just fantastic. Just just amazing. So, we've got the Royal We've got the Royal Commission terms ready to go, approved by that committee. Um, we also want to pursue compensation. We want to stop the CO shots immediately. They're still going on. Um, >> get out.
>> We see chemists pushing it all the time.
George Kes is a chemist, what do we call them? He goes in to tell chemists, you know, you're not supposed to give it to 18 year olds or below. TJ put that out and they don't know. Let's moving on.
Uh, another really uh, contentious issue out here is uh, the 28 pedophiles that they won't allow Australians to know because they'll say it'll upset us, but even though we survived Ralph Harris going down, there's what is Pauline Hansen's or One Nation stance on this cuz this is a real issue with Australians on the ground. They're furious.
>> I'm happy to talk about that. Um, I heard about these 28, the list of 28 as it was called. What's the other thing?
Um, list of 28 and the suppression order.
>> That's right.
>> So, um, I've got a very, very good lawyer in my office. He's a barristister. He's been an advocate on various tribunals for uh, you know, justice um, for uh, people who are vulnerable, can't look after themselves.
He's been around and he's a very he's a teacher of constitutional law. He's first class on on contract law. He's very very good and he's a very good person. He's he's kindhearted. Um empathetic, just the sort of person you want. And he's honest and he's strong.
He stand up and and tell you if you're wrong.
So um I heard about this list of 28 and the suppression order. And then I saw it and I saw it coming from our constituents. um emails and and social media. So I thought, okay, let's track it down.
>> So I I saw a video of um former Senator Bill Hefan in Senate Estimates um which is the one it's about an eight six or eight minute video.
>> Yeah.
>> Which which makes some pretty strong claims. So, um, so I contacted I eventually got got Bill's telephone number from a couple of National Party senators and I contacted him and he said to me, "At last," when I got when I got to him on the phone, "At last, someone a member of parliament is interested." He said, "Of course, um, you can come and talk to me." But he said, "I'll come to Canra. Come to my office next time you're in the Senate." So, so he agreed to meet there. He brought a, you know, one of the what you and I would call a port. just a little suitcase. You know the kitty suitcases from when we were kids.
>> He brought one of them full of materials. And we got talking with my barristister in in the room and uh and he said it'll take a while to them all. So, how about if I get together with the bar? We agreed that he'd get together with the barrista at at a place in Canberra and on a next trip down to to um to Canra. And that happened and my barristister came back to me at the end of the day and he said there are definitely documents there. There is a problem but the document itself with a list of 28 is inadmissible in court. You can't track it down. It's got no signatures on it. It's completely useless.
>> Wow.
>> So I I then spoke with Bill and Bill agreed with that. Bill said there's no there's no hard evidence of those 28 names and it is correct it is correct that there is a former prime minister whose name is on that long time ago no one who's currently alive long long time ago that is correct the royal the wood royal commission was not a federal royal commission it was a New South Wales state royal commission there are no suppression orders in place at all so nothing can be used in that so what uh I I mentioned all those conclusions from our barristister to Senator Hefan with the barristister present and he agreed.
And then I said, and this is not a reflection what I'm about to say on Bill Hefan. And I said, "How about you and I make a video explaining that to people because we can't have people jumping up and down about something that is not right."
>> And he said, "I'd rather not because I could get sued for defamation." So I made a short video. one of my staff who's also a graduate lawyer, he um he tracked down off his own bat a site on the internet where they'd done a lot of research on this list of 28 and they came to exactly the same conclusion we came to and so he took a lot of that material put it on our website and then I made a video explaining it all and when I explain that in public people get it that's not where it stops though because you know murder is murder is a heenous crime.
>> Rape, in my opinion, is a worst crime because a person has to live with it.
Pedophilia is a worse crime because it it's bloody obvious. You know, a child is is is wrecked by it. Yeah. And and and so for life um or or some people I've met victims of pedophilia are actually strengthened. They emerge from it pretty strong as adults, but that's pretty rare. But um there's better ways of strengthening ourselves than that.
But um what was I going to say? Yeah. So so I approached the uh Labour Party Attorney General Drafus about expanding the this is before it came into place, the National Anti-Corruption Commission, which is now in place, expanding that to include judges, senior bureaucrats, and senior police. and he said, "No, he'd rather get the the one against politicians first and then come back and do the others." And I said, "Fair enough." Then I called the Labour Party sometime later and that I was convinced that they're genuine. It hasn't been done, but the the attorney general's been changed. So the so what what we're concerned about is there's nothing in the list of 28 that gives us any evidence is not admin admissible in court. The there was no suppression order. the the Wood Royal Commission was the New South Wales state royal commission. Um so we can't use any of that, but we are working on getting uh National Anti-Corruption Commission for judges.
>> So why is there if there's if it's inadmissible, is this why there's not sign law against reading them out then?
>> Well, I think you you could get sued because there there's nothing to back up. There's there's nothing there that says these guys are pedophiles. Nothing.
There's no proof.
>> Yeah.
>> So, if I were to read it out, I'd get I'd get >> sued for >> possibly. Yeah.
>> It's interesting. Yeah. It's it's >> But, you know, Bill, >> Bill and I agreed that there is a problem with pedophilia. It's obvious.
Um, with senior people, some senior people, it's a scourge. It's the worst crime you can possibly commit. But um we need to do something about it. But it's in the senior levels of politicians, bureaucrats, judges. People have known that for years, >> but they're they're powerful. So, but we we we'll continue to pursue it.
>> I got um one other question. I was only supposed to get you for now. So, I feel really it's fantastic. I got you for more. I've actually been hanging out to talk to you. There's uh I do this to young people now and it hits them like a hammer. Um I say to them, let's say say uh let's pretend you're 20 again and you've just met someone you think could be your future partner and you're going to a restaurant to maybe ask her to marry you and you're sitting there in the best restaurant you can afford.
You're going all out and I'm the waiter and I come up and I say, "Listen, sir, before you order, you have to know that those people that sat at the table for you, they dined out, mate. They had lobster. They had champagne. They just went all the way. They had caviar. We had to fly it in. I mean, forget it.
They they partied. Unfortunately, they couldn't afford the whole bill. So, we're going to have to get you to pay the shortfall uh before you order your own food. So rather than looking at the front of the menu with the expensive items, if you look at the back page, there's things like bread and water, porridge, and stuff like that that you probably be able to afford. Now, I say to the young people, would you pay that their bill?
And they look at me for ages cuz they know it's a trick. And they go, no, of course I wouldn't pay the bill. And I go, why are you paying the national debt?
And and it hits them. How can we as a generation and we're we're sort of in the same generation. How can we with integrity and good conscience sitting on this country with all this mineral wealth leave a trillion.3 I think it is now debt to our next generation and next. How can we do that and call ourselves decent Australians?
>> Right. I'll answer that question uh in a minute. But someone flashed up on the screen there.
>> Um, mentioned a lady's name.
I won't won't mention it just in case I get it wrong. Uh, didn't stop her. The threat of defamation didn't stop her.
It's not so much the threat of defamation. I have Senate privilege, parliamentary privilege. I could read that list of 28 out tomorrow. And I didn't see the list, by the way. It was entirely with my barristister.
I could read that name those names out.
There it is. Fiona Barnett. Yep. Okay. I could read that list of names out and I'd have nothing to touch me because what I say in the Senate, not outside the Senate, but what I say in the Senate on parliamentaries in in the chamber, it protects me from from being sued. But I wouldn't do that because as I mentioned, the fact is that there's no evidence.
There is no evidence. There's a list of 28 names, but they're not signed by anyone. There's no proof. There's no evidence of what they did. Nothing at all. I wouldn't do that to them because there might be an innocent some innocent people on the list. There there are times when I feel like reading reading something out in parliament under parliamentary privilege, but I won't do it unless it's the truth. I don't abuse that privilege. It's a privilege. So that's why. So now your question about the debt um the circumstances around the debt about half of it was formed by the Morrison government co >> half of it. So we got over half a trillion dollars just in Scott Morrison.
>> Yes.
>> This is the printing money.
>> Yes.
So, we talked a little while ago about well, I was going to raise my eight keys to you. You talked about freedom. I didn't answer your question.
>> That's right.
>> Um, you talked about the importance of freedom.
I've got a list of eight keys or eight steps to human progress that I just just put together many years ago. The first one is freedom.
And that is the freedom to think, the freedom of belief, the freedom to live.
Because if you if you don't have the freedom to live, nothing else matters.
Freedom of speech is not worth anything.
Freedom to live, freedom of association, freedom of belief, freedom of thought, freedom of initiative, freedom of creativity, freedom of um in in exchange with other people, freedom of uh sharing ideas, the freedom to speak what we think.
That freedom is extremely important. And here's why.
By ourselves, even Arnold Schwarzenegger or the strongest person in the world is nothing next to a tiger. Tiger can kill us like that. Just like that.
What makes us unique is that to some extent is that we have a highly developed uh social network. We've got a community network.
So, we can work together. So, 10 of us could get together. even little old me could get together and and kill a tiger and eat the bloody tiger. Okay, so that that's one thing as social our community. Second one is our language which which enables us to socialize and and to to work as as a team. That's rare and no one else has got that developed as we have. Dolphins can talk or can communicate, whales and a few other animals, monkeys, crows, etc. But the other thing we've got that no no other species got is reasoning capability.
But you combine those wonderful traits and you combine that innate human care for the planet, that innate human care for for the environment, for each other and you might come up with an idea and it's a wonderful idea and you you talk you you convey it to me through commun through talking and I go, "Wow." and I blow it out of proportion and and really enhance it and someone else down the street gets hold of the idea and says I know that would solve this problem this problem and this problem and I can make some money on the side out of that. So that's how human progress is is is developed and if you have it look at the um socialist countries the countries with totalitarian control their their human progress is negligible.
Even China had to free the people up to some extent to get that human progress and that they moved ahead. Okay. The second >> the second the second key to human progress is rule of law because if you have that great idea and we make something of it uh and then someone comes along and steals the proceeds or ste steals the the um yeah steals the proceeds of it. Well, why should you work for it? So the rule of law is to protect property and protect life. The third one is stable uh constitutional governance or con continued constitutional governance so that if the prime minister uh gets voted out we elect a new prime minister and we don't have an upheaval or or a revolution we have a stable transition. That means that if you work now even if labor comes in you'll have you'll have a more stable form of you'll have an ongoing stability. The fourth one is secure private property rights. What you own is yours and no one can take it off you.
Then the next one is strong families because you have to nurture people. You have to protect people. You have to they're a form of welfare. Best form of welfare is the family.
Then the the sixth one is cheap, affordable, reliable, efficient, uh environmentally responsible energy. And it is the foundation. So you've got to have cheap energy to be competitive globally. The number one cost component for manufacturing is no longer labor because we've automated that out to a large extent. It's now electricity.
China takes some of our coal. China, by the way, produce, we produce 450 million tons of coal a year. China produces 4.7 billion tons of coal a year.
>> Wow. Billion. They burn more than half the coal that's burnt in the world. and and they import coal from us as well because we've got some very special good quality coing coal for making steel. So >> Oh, so that's what they want to they want this for the steel cuz they got enough for everything else.
>> They also want our steaming coal for making power. But we we we get our we we used to have the cheapest co cheapest u power electricity prices in the world bar none. We were we were the lowest. We have power stations at the at the mine mouth. So the coal comes out of the mine into the power station. No transport costs. That's it.
To get a get Australian steaming coal to to China or to Japan or whatever. And by the way, Indonesia has passed us as a number exporter.
So there are plenty of other Indonesia there are plenty of other places for getting coal. You can shut us down. They still burn coal. The forecast for coal right now. Yeah.
>> Sorry.
>> What is that? Pad oil. No, sorry. Keep going. I thought it was America was but America is producing oil. Sorry, keep going.
>> Yeah. The forecast for coal consumption in the forecast for coal consumption and production in 40 years are way way higher than today. Way way higher.
So if you if you want to send out coal to China to burn in a power station, you take it out of the mine, store it at the mine, load it, which costs money, onto a train, car it to the port, a couple hundred kilometers, store it at the port, cost money, and and you have to ship it back onto onto a ship, take it thousands of kilometers to China, then do the same with the with the the port there, unload it and store it, and then load it onto a train, take it hundreds of kilometers inland, and then you get it to your Chinese power station. So the cost of producing the cost of the price for Australian coal because of all the bloody subsidies for solar and wind and the inefficiencies of coal fired power stations due to the national electricity racket that the bureaucrats control.
It's not a market due to all of that is about 26 to 33 cents per kilowatt hour. 26 to 33. Remember those figures. The cost in China after transporting it all that way is 8 cents a kilowatt hour. Eight.
>> They're using our coal, but all of the inefficiencies due to government and the the um solar and wind and the other subsidies and the restrictions put on coal fired power stations driving that cost up. So you've got to have to be competitive these days, you've got to have the cheapest energy. So we would restore cheap energy. Then there are two more. One is you need that the cost of government is tax and most government we we would most government control we would remove completely because the governments don't know people's needs and the best way to produce efficiently or use your resources efficiently is to produce what people want what people need not [ __ ] from the government.
So you've got to have tax, but we would have a fair, effective, efficient form of tax, not a rotting system that is being done to look after their mates, government mates. And then the last one is honest money. Well, we haven't had honest money since the Federal Reserve Bank started. It's printed. It's it's um it's actually le less than printed. Most 97% of the money is not in notes and coins. It's in electronic journal entries, which is just fabrications.
That's all it is. And so that debases the currency dramatically. Inflation means a dramatic increase in money supply. Not not the not not the increase in prices. Um but in dramatic increase in money supply leads to increases in prices. So because you got more money chasing the same amount of goods. So that's what's ruining our country. Those those eight things are the key to human progress. In all eight we are going backwards in this country. So your question was about >> be fixed by what you say is care is what >> we had a we what you said is fundamental to human existence is that we care that's why we've been so successful >> what we have to do is use data use data we have to shrink government dramatically get it out of our lives because it's you you've mentioned trans uh transgender which you can't change gender but transgenderism the destruction of family through the family law court the slaughterhouse of the nation so many other things woke woke activities the department uh DEI sustainable development goals a lot of these are imported this is destroying our country it's it's raising the cost of living dramatically we have got energy prices now highest in the world we've got housing prices are now the highest in the world and it's been driven up by mass immigration all of these are due to government >> and and so what we would do is dramatically cut the government now our policies for the last federal election are still the same but they're being updated and revised. Um, what we would do is put $40 billion worth of money back in government in in in taxpayers pockets, back in your pocket. Why?
Because we think the the government can't spend it as wisely as you can.
It's better off in your pockets.
The government is is causing inflation and that's dramatically increasing the debt as well.
So, so we've got a number of tax efficiencies and tax tax savings that are not inflationary. When you cut when you cut excise on fuel um which which the government has as a result of our suggestion for dealing with the oil crisis, you it's it's not inflationary.
It's the opposite. It's deflationary.
Um when you cut alcohol uh excise on beer and uh and spirits you end up in increasing the the trade in hospitality venues which have been cruled. When you cut tobacco tax you get an increase in revenue because at the moment probably 80% of the market is illicit. So there's so many in their tax.
>> They talk about that. They talk about oh how bad that is. You know they get >> people want to smoke and why should they payundred I think it's over $100 for a little pack of tobacco which most of it goes to the government when they can get it for 20 bucks you know and uh it's you can understand it. I mean the price is outrageous. People know they go to India or they go to Bali and they can buy cigarettes cheap. I mean, I don't smoke cigarettes, but you can understand it. I mean, it's basically if you're in a communistic system, which we a lot of Australians feel we're going into, the black market rises up and the black market ends up being the actual economy.
And >> what's happening is >> what's happening is people selling legalized tobacco in this country are losing their market altogether because >> the the um the the savings in the pack of smokes made smokes goes from about 44 or 40 bucks to down around 11.
>> What are you going to do? We've got legal tobacco tobacco shop owners now selling illicit elicit tobacco. We've got criminals entering, not entering, but criminals involved. And it's firebombing, murders, and and >> it's almost like the uh prohibition times in America instead instead of alcohol, it's cigarettes, >> you know.
>> Well, it's starting to be alcohol as well. Elicit alcohol is coming into Victoria now because of the same reason.
So, what we're doing uh is increasing smoking rates as well because people now it's now cheaper to smoke. So, but what I'm talking about is having a a fair efficient of taxation system that reduces the cost of living but still still is honest and efficient and effective. Some taxes cost more to collect than they get than they get in revenue. So, >> what we're talking about is putting more money back in people's pockets and it be non-inflationary. We've we've done the models. And by the way, all these figures are costed either from budget figures or from uh parliamentary budget office costings. So then people say, "Well, where's your 40 billion coming from, Senator Roberts?" It comes from a $90 billion plus of savings by getting rid of federal government duplication and waste. There are so many things in in the federal government sphere that have been taken off the states, we need to send them back to the states. Some some of them are done by the states and the federal government. Shutting down the Department of Climate Change and Energy would save $30 billion a year plus. Plus, it would reduce the the inefficiencies in the market due to those damn ris regulations. Plus, it would reduce $3 billion from the cost of electricity for the government.
So, we and we'd get rid of the depart federal department of education because it's a state responsibility. Federal Department of Health, we dramatically shrink. We'd get rid of the TGA and put it into the Department of Health so that we can have access to parliamentary scrutiny over the Department of Health.
>> Fund it ourselves and not have big farmer fund it so it could be independent. That'd be nice.
>> That's the other thing. Um, Department of Health, the NDIS, we can cut $15 billion.
>> Just one question about tax. Sorry, sorry to interrupt this.
I think a lot of Australians are going it's like they got a tax they got to tax us but we're sitting on all this mineral wealth and around the world economists and other people are going why are you even paying tax why aren't you like Dubai Botswana uh has diamonds one resource diamonds they uh they buy their children houses when they're 21 if you want to go study anywhere world they'll set I met an African woman she was 40 she was over here studying Botswana paid for it because they want a clever people and they're using the the resource from one resource diamonds to uh enrich you know enrich the country and we're sitting on all this mineral wealth and not just oil but there's oil uh coal gold uh lithium you name it and so this is I I don't understand as many understand how possibly are we broke when we're sitting on all this mineral wealth unless this mineral wealth has been pillaged by corporations are overseas corporations and we're just being left with the cleanup bill. You know, this is how >> we're feeling.
>> Y that's right. John Howard's Liberal National Party government gave our gas away when they approved not contract.
>> Bob Hawk is is put in place the petroleum rent resources tax which is not not uh effective with gas. Um what well Pauline's going to release a statement on our gas policy uh and it'll be about getting more money out of them and also getting more control over them because Australian government has handed over control. So you're right we are the world's largest exporters of of hydrocarbon uh fuels coal and gas uh and yet we're getting bugger all for it.
Norway >> Yeah. Norway. So >> Norway has free universities that we you and I can go to university in Norway for free.
>> You can come from other countries and study there for free. That's but the other thing too this is I I'll end up on this cuz you might have to go soon.
Digital ID is the next big thing coming and most many people I talk see that as total slavery because someone like me I'm on the road going town to town interviewing people trying to you know find out what's actually happening on the on the ground uh they could just cut me off and say oh he can't get fuel you know these are the potentials that could be used I'm not saying they do it but it has the potential >> social credit >> yeah social credit score as zero. Mine will be subzero before it even starts. But to me, it's like, how do we how do we stop it? Cuz so many people going, "No, you can't stop it."
I'm thinking, "Well, we you can you can." So So that's where I was headed.
Um so we want to put $40 billion worth of your money back in your pockets. We want to we want to we can get that from saving more than $90 billion, conservative estimate, using properly costed and and budget line items. Um, and we can save that. We can save another $15 billion or so in the NDIS.
That that is going to skyrocket to about $90 billion a year if we don't do something. Then we can save about $15 billion on the Aboriginal industry. And by providing real care to the people that matter, not to all the parasites, the academics, the activists, the the the legion of bureaucrats and and lawyers that are feeding off the middle.
We spend so much money on the Aboriginal industry, but the Aboriginals on the ground don't get it.
>> Yeah.
Been to those townships. They they they are like third world Mad Max town. Some of them >> it's not all of them, but some of especially in the remote WA there's no >> there there again our our um Northern Rail Crossing from Port Heedland to Morbar would open up all of those communities in Northern Territory, Western Australia, Northern Western Australia and Northern Queensland. Open them right up. bring the world to those communities through tourism and take their products, which is beef, cattle, and other farm products out to the world and and dramatically increase their prices for it. So, so that's where we'd save the money. And that leaves $90 billion minus $40 billion back in your pocket, that leaves $50 billion. $30 billion of that would be used to pay off debt. If we don't start paying off our debt, that this is where the question came from. if we don't start paying off our debt, we'll end up with interest being the largest line item on the uh on on the budget.
>> So, that's just money being thrown away.
Then that leaves $20 billion >> for infrastructure um which is which is plenty for getting the projects we want off the ground, ports, rails. There are lots of rail loops to be closed. We can even close the national rail loop. So, that that's what we would do with it. But the fundamental point in answering your question is not just about the basic things and and all of our all of our um proposals would reduce inflation because if you reduce excise uh on on uh and and energy costs. Oh, that's right. We would remove the the unfair treatment of coal fired power stations favoring solar and wind which would dramatically reduce the cost of of uh electricity anyway 20% at least. Then we would stop solar and wind subsidies all together >> on on that's large industrial solar complexes and large industrial wind turbine complexes that would also protect the environment. So we would have a much more efficient >> it can't pay for itself if it if it needs subsidies. It can't pay for itself then obviously it's not economically viable.
>> Correct. Every country in the world which has a high proportion of solar and wind has a higher electricity price.
Every country Germany, Britain, France have higher prices for energy. I don't know why the French because they're using largely nuclear but but but uh every every country with a high proportion of solar and wind has higher electricity costs. So the other thing we would do is dramatically reduce by what we've what we've shut down the the intrusion of government into lives and government that saves government money.
There's no such thing as government money. It saves taxpayer money but it also gets the hell the government the hell out of people's lives and that is puts in dramatic uh inefficiencies and that would be even more uh savings for the people because there' be much more efficient economy. Much more efficient economy. We've got to get government out of our lives and shrink it. C, especially central government. Okay, we better start wrapping up. One Nation is not pro digital ID, by the way.
>> Yeah, I didn't think you were.
>> We We We led the charge against digital ID. By the way, I am not opposed to I am opposed to government digital ID. I am not opposed to Michael going out there and saying, "I have a digital ID I'd like to sell you." uh and if you want to save money on carting papers around but you leave it up to me to choose which digital ID I want service I want. We're not opposed to digital ID. can can provide many many um many efficiencies, many savings, much speed. But we are opposed to government digital ID because your government digital ID combined with your government misinformation and disinformation censorship bill combined with the under 16 ban which is really a control of everybody using the internet and your identity verification which neighbors biometric use by the government of biometric data. That sets up exactly what you said a minute ago, which was a social credit system which could control your lives. And they've already said that they want to control our lives.
>> Yeah, that's and this is why we I if it's voluntary, I don't have an issue with it. As long as it's absolutely voluntary, none of this [ __ ] where it's voluntary, but it's so arduous to do it without digital ID. They just making you want to go across fundamentally.
>> I need I need to be I need to be clear on that, Michael. I'm not saying a government digital ID that's voluntary.
I'm saying no government digital ID.
What I'm saying is that if you want a digital ID, you go to a company, the private private supplier, and you choose which one you want. When you have a choice, >> you'll pick the one with the fewest security risk. You'll pick the one with the the lowest cost.
>> Whereas with the government, >> sorry, >> can you choose not to?
>> Yeah. Yeah, of course. Of course. But my my point is if if the if the private companies supply it, offer it, then you'll have you'll have control over them. If the government does it, the government will have control over you.
We cannot trust the government because they're already in Queensland they're saying the state government under Labor was saying they must have digital ID to get their medical records.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I know.
>> For coine employment, >> they're doing it a lot. They say it's voluntary, but we know how it works.
They say it's voluntary and then it's not. You needed to do this, you needed to do that. Uh even where we're where we are now, uh you have to book online >> to do it. And it's all it's all digital.
There's no way to pay cash or anything for this campsite we're on now, which is annoying, but there's and that's how it slowly comes in. It's like osmosis. It just comes and takes over everything.
What my wife and I do, what my wife and I do is we go to the bank and withdraw cash and pay for cash.
>> Yeah, that's what we do. Yeah. Yeah. But the other thing uh we don't have enough time to talk about this now because it's such a big issue. But the other thing that that's really crestfalling our children and is is the onset of AI which is basically saying we're going to take all your jobs and you're just not going to work so you can you know be on uh universal basic income sitting at home doing things. But I'm with you Malcolm.
People want to strive. They want to work for things you know. Yeah. I I mean I I love working. I love doing this thing. I love working, talking to people, meeting people. I I do I love working. I don't want to sit around fishing or just watching TV. I I want to strive to help my community in where the way even if people disagree with my my my methods or my beliefs. I don't care. I've got I've got I'm here and I've got a I've got a right to uh I've got a right to speak and and a right to try fix things that I see are issues. Um, and so yeah, it's and that but that's what I know from talking to young people that Martin Martin Taylor just put something up.
>> Sure.
It's fine.
>> Voluntary is not voluntary when the government gets involved. Exactly the point I was making.
>> That's right.
>> Exactly right, Martin. Yeah. Well, Senator, I want to thank you for your time. The last thing I want on that digital ID, I want to be very, very clear. I'm opposed to the government digital ID, completely opposed to it because they will make it compulsory. But I am in favor of your right to get rid of carrying wieldy documents by selecting if you want a private digital ID provider because then you'll have control over which provider you select and you you'll force competition to be more secure and and cheaper. The other thing is that the biggest the most insecure data in the world is government and big tech >> 100%.
>> Government and big tech and by putting digital ID together across departments in a government it's a hacker's paradise because they can get in through one slip. Most most of the digital uh most of the security breaches are due to human error. So if they get in in one department, they then have everything together all in one one all the data on you in one area.
>> Yeah. AI is breaching all their things.
Anyway, I saw AI did a major breach of uh some department and and it just needed one tiny little piece of code and it got through there. So >> we can't we don't have any defense of AI and and especially criminals getting behind AI. So it all seems crazy to me.
I just want to finish on this though and this is something you said initially.
I think the reason people are gravitating towards uh One Nation and and we've all been watching it is you give a [ __ ] and you give a [ __ ] for us, you care for us or you're constantly appearing like you're caring for us and the government just virtue signals that they care and we know they don't. And what I would love for my a vision for the future is that we finally have an Australia where the foundation of Australia, our our politics or or just, you know, the the drivers of our economy, of our of our country actually care about Australians themselves. And I don't mean white Australians. I mean, anyone that's here that identifies as an Australian that really wants to be a part of this evolving community actually cares for us and not for their wallets and not for their hunger for power just act or not for some great globalist agenda but for us. I think we can do more. We can be more beneficial to the world if we were more independent and egalitarian and we're like a beacon of hope to the world that you can live in peace, you can live in prosperity and you can actually be a good, decent, common sense, fair-minded people like our national anthem says.
It's possible, but we ha but people have to give a [ __ ] It's not just about standing up. It's a time to say, "Well, do you care or not?" Because if you don't care, just go with Labor government into the abyss. But if you do care, then it's time to get active.
>> Yeah. And and and care is in Thank you for the comments about One Nation caring. I can sincerely say we do.
>> Um remember though that care is inherent in most humans. In a few it's not. So we got to be careful. Um perhaps Thomas Jefferson said it correctly. I won't use his exact words. I can't remember them.
He said, "Humans are wonderful.
Democracy is the best form of government because it empowers people, but you've always got to have protection there for this for the rogues. And the rogues, unfortunately, are in parliament.
100% 100%. Malcolm, I senator, I thank you for coming. I've been looking forward to interviewing you for years actually. This has been wonderful. I feel very privileged to have you on and uh I wish you well going forward and if you ever wish to come back on again just let us know and we'd be honored to have you.
>> Happy to do so. Thank you very much.
Thank you for being good host.
>> No worries. Take care. Okay people, see you later. Repost this everywhere we can. We'll send you the link for it as well.
>> Okay, we'll be repost it.
>> Cheers.
>> Thanks, Michael.
>> No worries. Bye-bye.
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