In legal proceedings, parties may challenge evidence preservation and witness credibility through motions to strike complaints or disqualify counsel, as demonstrated in the Desiree Perez vs. Demore Hadley case where Perez alleged Hadley deleted iCloud evidence, gave conflicting testimony about camera location, and that her attorney made unethical admissions, while Hadley's response argued these were strategic character attacks rather than substantive evidence issues.
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Salute. Happy Memorial Day all.
I just want to say from someone who was raised by a military veteran, my father was a Marine, still is even life and death. Hurrah simpified and all that good stuff.
Thank you for those who have served this nation. Thank you for those who have given their lives for this nation. Thank you to your families.
Thank you for your service. Happy Memorial Day, guys.
So on Memorial Day, a lot of people like to get together, have barbecues, and you know, hang out, cooking food and all that good stuff and talking smack. What I do hope this year is that nobody is getting drunk and that nobody is operating uh a motor vehicle.
That's something that people really don't discuss.
>> I was going to just say I hope nobody is doing this new drink that people are, you know, since the economy is bad. I hope nobody is getting Taylor's port and the liquid death cherry obituary and mixing that and drinking that and dry. I hope you're not doing that. I'm just saying >> they're doing that now.
>> That's just something I made up. They're Yeah, they're doing it. But >> no, I mean, you really know people that are drinking Tell us.
>> Yeah, there's people out there. It's Look, the economyy's bad.
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>> Telesport.
>> Yeah. And you know, I I used to tell a story about how, you know, back in Philly, you know, the drunks on my block, they would always, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm I'm going to the bar. Give me some Teleport."
And I had, that's what I thought it I was at a bar one day and somebody and I was like they was like what do you want to drink? I was like, I don't know, my my cousin, she always talking about some telesport.
And that's how I pronounced it because that's what it sounded like to me.
They didn't know what I was talking about. And then that's when somebody, oh, you mean Taylor?
Taylor's port. Why? And I'm like, Jesus.
That's what happens when you, you know, you get your info from drunk people.
Tell us sport.
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So anyway, welcome. We have a new member. My name's amazing. Okay, that's amazing that your name is Maybe we'll figure it out one day.
>> She looks like Dr. Molina Abdullah from from W. Maybe I'm true, but salute to you.
>> Somebody said, "God bless the addicts."
I'm done.
I'm done. You know, we have a really interesting crowd.
>> And what I'm realizing is we have a lot of Gen Xers.
>> Um, exactly, Cat. You know that drunk talk.
Tell us sport.
That's That's how you be sounding when you're drinking. Yeah.
>> No, but seriously though, I hope nobody's drinking and driving. Um, you know, a lot of won't really talk about the fact that this is like the first holiday that kicks off a lot of these cases. Um, a lot of people don't, you know, school year is coming to an end. Kids are graduating.
Some people are coming back from their senior trips. Like, there's a lot of stuff going on. And there's a lot of adults that, you know, drink and drive.
I lost a lot of friends who would drink and get on their bikes and then crash out on uh, you know, I76 back in Philadelphia. So, it's just >> Yeah. I'm telling you like make sure that this Memorial Day doesn't become your memorial. That's all I can say.
So, all that being said, oh, 111 in the building. Salute.
>> Okay. How do we get into this? How do we get into this?
>> Well, let's let's let's get into it. you have what you have and everyone needs to see what's going on. So, it's part of the reason why we are live even though I mean these court documents were submitted a couple of days back but you know you got to give people a little bit of time to just I mean it's a good day to talk about it. It's it's it's Memorial Day and courts are not open today but we're going to speak on the court case regarding Desiree Perez. Now, looks like Des Desiree Perez is getting some get back and she's she's striking back at her daughter in this um this case that her daughter has against her. Her daughter's Dear Hadley.
>> These claims that she's making, if she's telling the truth, they're absolutely outrageous. You know, for a lot of people who know us covering this case, uh it it it hasn't been easy. It's been pretty hard. But today, we're going to be doing something a little different. We're actually going to hear out Desiree and and see where she's coming from. We're going to look at her point of view first. So, don't be alarmed. Um, but honestly, we need to look into this.
So, basically, Desiree Perez may have just landed the biggest punch yet in this case.
And depending on how the judge looks at it, this could be one of the most dangerous filings. Deore Hadley has had to respond to so far because Perez is like, you know, is not just saying I disagree with the lawsuit.
She is asking the court for something much bigger. She wants the court to either strike Demores's amended complaint or remove her attorney, Hilton Napoleon, from the case.
So, that's a big deal. That's a big deal. Going after the attorney, especially now this when we're getting this close to the trial, like that's a lot.
>> And before you go any further, >> Yeah.
>> I mean, what was stated before Desiree said that in private the attorney had made some mention about some, you know, about her his belief and blah blah blah.
It that that might be true. It's like, boy, whoa, keep going, Jack. Keep going.
>> Don't mind me. I was taking a bite. My bad.
>> Go ahead. Don't worry.
>> So anyway, it's the response itself. I'm sorry. The response itself says Perez is asking the harshest sanction available by asking to strike Hadley's operative pleading with prejudice. Which means if she wins the motion, this part of the case is thrown out and it can never be addressed again. It can't be discussed again. Nothing. It disappears. So remember that with prejudice, that's a big deal.
or alternatively to disqualify Napoleon as counsel which would be crippling because he's been the lawyer that's been handling this case from the very beginning now for the past year.
Thank you so much Elenas.
So now for people who have been following this case this is a major shift. Desiree Perez's side is basically saying, "Hold on. Before this case goes any further, we need to deal with what we believe is misconduct."
And the three big claims Perez is putting on the table are serious.
First, she's saying that Deore actually deleted digital evidence, which is crazy when you think about the treasure trove of receipts that she gave us. Like, she kept everything.
>> Yeah.
>> So, I That's kind of crazy. That's a hell of a claim to say. All right. So, deleted evidence. Number two, conflicting testimony about a camera.
>> H.
>> And then the third thing, she's alleging ethical issues involving Deore Hadley's lawyer, which we had heard about this before and we had talked about it before, but we never really got into detail.
>> So, I guess we're going to get down to the nitty-gritty of that today.
>> Okay. This is not a small thing by any means. If the judge believes a party destroyed evidence, gave misleading testimony, or if their attorney crossed ethical lines, that can change the entire direction of this case completely.
So, let's just start with the biggest headline, the deleted iCloud. So, let's let's just let's parlay this into a conversation.
Yeah.
If um okay, Desiree Perez team, they're arguing that um Deari Hadley deliberately destroyed central electronic evidence. So that phrase that that that's a big phrase that matters.
It's saying that they deliberately destroy evidence. N federal case, especially a case involving text, emails, photos, phones, alleged hacking, alleged surveillance, alleged digital access, the iCloud account could be a massive piece of the puzzle.
Now, I guess the response that Desire Perez claims um she claims the Mora del deliberately destroyed the electronic evidence, but um the Hadley Sai counters that the Mor testified she wiped her iCloud because she believed Des Perez had hacked her phone and obtained her communications, her photos, and her text messages. just >> now. Wait a minute. Pause. Let's just take a second there because since we've had such intimate like knowledge and proximity to all of the evidence that Deore shared with us.
>> Mhm. It's a part of the series >> and for anyone who hasn't seen Defending Your Freedom, I suggest you go back and watch it all because it really is filled with so much information regarding this case, which is why we know that, you know, people worked really hard to suppress it and to a certain extent they still are.
But there was evidence. There was actual evidence that her eye her her her eye her iCloud had actually been duplicated. It had been hacked into.
>> There was evidence of that.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Like I'm trying to remember. She was How did the story go? She was I think on a jog one day. She was in Florida and then her her eyew watch started pinging to an address in New York and that address just turned out to be the headquarters of Rock Nation there.
>> Yeah, >> if I remember that correctly.
>> Mhm.
>> Okay. So, she's not saying anything different.
All right. Um h and and when you I mean like uh so anyway, this this case still gives me the heebie-jebies when I think about a lot of the details of it. So from Perez's point of view, the question is simple.
If this case is about private data, phones, messages, emails, and alleged hacking, then why was the iCloud gone? And that's a great question.
That's a great question. Especially when you consider all of the evidence that she has. Like why why would why would she get rid of any of it?
H anyway, that's the type of argument that can I don't know. I don't know. I think I mean that's a big one and that's something that the court might really they might really lean into this because the truth is Deore came like both barrels loaded and Desiree and her team they pretty much just been on the defense this entire time. You know what I mean? Playing defense, playing defense, playing defense. So I don't know.
I don't know.
A jury might look at this like, "Hey, what do you have to hide?"
And a judge may look at this and say, "I don't know. If you got rid of some of it, how do we know that we can trust all of it? Maybe all of this is being taken out of context."
It it works weird like that. I mean, what do you think?
>> Yeah, they they could they could look at it like, "Well, iCloud is gone and it's tied to hacking. It's tied to this.
It's tied to that. Why? Why is it gone?
Well, I mean to be fair to Desire's side, like this is probably the cleanest public facing argument that she could come up with because you don't have to know every detail of this case to understand the optics.
A lawsuit is filed. Digital evidence is central. One side says the other side has access to private communications.
then the account connected to those communications just totally gets wiped or changed.
This actually does like it it kind of gives Perez's side a very simple headline. Deore Hadley deleted evidence which IS >> YEAH.
>> You know, >> oh my goodness. Like Yeah.
like this looks bad. What's she saying?
It looks bad. Why would Demory delete evidence? She's always She's always been so forthcoming about it. But if the judge isn't really paying attention to what's happening in the media, the only real argument they have is what's being argued right there in court. So, I don't know.
You already know how this plays out online. like we're sitting here and and that's why we're sitting here discussing it now. It just it sounds bad.
So anyway, Perez's side goes into the blink camera issue and this is one that's uh also kind of important but it does go to credibility.
So Perez claims the amended complaint said the blink camera was located in Demorier's bedroom, but during the disposition, Deore allegedly said the camera was in the bathroom. Now >> Yeah, she told us that. She told us that.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Now again, if you're Desiree Perez's team, you're going to argue, wait a minute, which one is it? Is it in a bedroom or is it in a bathroom?
Because of, you know, if the complaint says one thing and in the disposition you say and I'm sorry, in the deposition you say another, then Perez can easily use that as an alley to say, "Hey, contradiction. There's something off there." Unless you've seen defending your freedom because we were actually able to take, you know, Demor's testimony and that cam footage. It's a small residence. It It's more like a suite. Like it's kind of like a studio apartment.
>> Mhm.
>> Right. So, I don't know.
The response says Perez argued that Hadley misrepresented the blink camera location by saying bedroom in the complaint but bathroom in the deposition.
Hadley's side is arguing. These are semantics because the bedroom suite included both a sleeping area and a joining bathroom.
And in a case where so much depends on who's telling the truth, even small differences get magnified like out of control. So Perez's team is not arguing location, they're arguing credibility.
And I mean, honestly, that's a slick move.
It's a very slick move until you see the footage >> because if anybody remembers that camera, it was in the bathroom closet, but it was facing not just the bathroom, it was facing the bedroom. You could literally from that view see the bedroom and see the bathroom. Like literally, we're talking less than 10 steps from the bed to the toilet.
Maybe 10 steps.
That would be no different than seeing it from one side of the room to the other.
But legal maneuverings, I mean, what do you think? I I'm can see where they're going with this.
>> Yeah.
Yeah. It's just about saying who's credible, who's not credible, etc., etc. So, um, here's a third issue that, you know, it's it's it's just an issue. People can look at it and say for what it is, I don't know.
But we'll get deeper into it more more or less. They're saying that Demory Hadley's attorney uh Napoleon Perez claimed that Napoleon uh made what they described as a damaging ethics related admissions during or around Perez's death deposition. They're essentially arguing that he said things that undercut his own client's position, including alleged comments about Perez telling him the truth or demor misleading him.
Perez motion as summarized in the response that we're going to look at. It accused uh Napoleon of making ethics violated admissions including alleged statements like I know you're telling the truth and you are honest.
So Perez's uh team now they're trying to convince the judge that Deari's own attorney crossed the line and he revealed privilege information or created a conflict that could be huge.
And that's why we're um that's why they're asking to disqualify and disqualifying a lawyer in the middle of federal case. That's not a small request. That could slow down the case.
That could change the strategy. that can put the plaintiff in a weaker position.
So, you know, on the surface, it looks like Demor Des Perez is striking back like in a major way. She got the deleted iCloud situation. She's contradicting her camera location and she's accusing the attorney of crossing the line.
>> No, but not just crossing the line, agreeing with her. Which means if he's agreeing with her, he doesn't agree with Demory. Right.
So, if you read Perez's uh version, you'll you'll walk away thinking the Mory Hley case is really um it's in serious trouble. But but but go ahead, Jack. I mean, >> now Perez's team can convince the judge that Deore's own um own attorney crossed the line, you know, revealed privilege information or created a conflict.
And that could be huge.
But it could also disqualify him if the judge goes for it. Like that's the sad part about it. Like yeah, >> everything that she's doing, >> everything that they're pointing out could be enough to [ __ ] Demorier's case to force her in a position where she won't be able to go to trial, be unprepared at trial, or to force some kind of, you know, dismissal to the case all together.
which is kind of wild.
>> Yeah, >> when you think about it.
>> H.
So, on the surface, it really does look like, you know, they're coming hard. I mean, but it's all about optics with these people. Deleted iCloud, camera contradiction, attorney crossing the line. It's um which is weird to me because Hilton is super sharp.
>> Yeah.
and he is super committed to defending these, you know, the Hadley. He's It would just be weird if any of what they're saying is true.
So, if you only read Perez's version, you might walk away thinking Deore's case is in a lot of trouble. And I think that's the narrative that they really want the public to run with. They want the public to run with because she hasn't backed down. She has not backed down. And I think they were expecting her to back down by now. Everyone else has tucked their tail behind their legs.
They had have dismissed. Some people have been dismissed with prejudice. Um, you know, but she's not backing down.
So, it's Yeah, it it gets interest. It's really starting to get interesting here. And I I'm just h you know, when you look at it, Deore Hadley's response says Perez is cherry-picking, overreaching, and trying to turn disputed facts into a reason to throw out the entire case.
And once you get past the headline, the response argues that the iCloud issue was not evidence destruction.
It was self-p protection after alleged hacking.
>> So yeah, I mean, let's just be honest. They have evidence that proves that her eye her iCloud had been hacked into.
>> Yep. They have evidence that proves that they had implanted messages into her phone, deleted messages out of her phone. Like it that evidence is there.
>> Yeah.
>> So, I mean, I guess once again, this is for the optics. It's looking like like a lot of this is for the optics.
So, we have that the camera issue.
it like they're I don't know.
It's just when I look at it, it just kind of pisses me off because I know what I've seen. We've seen the evidence.
Trying to find a way to make her saying, "Oh, well, it was in the bedroom.
It was in the bathroom." And then trying to turn that into perjury.
That's a hell of a reach.
>> Yeah.
you know, it it was a bedroom suite.
It's a a studio apartment. Like, there's not a lot of room there, >> right?
>> But if you say, "Oh, she said it was here and she said it was there and and the bathroom was across the hall or the bathroom was, you know, behind the bedroom and there was no way that the if the camera's in there, it could have seen into the bedroom light." But we all know that's not true and they have the evidence to prove it. So it's just they're really she must be desperate.
>> Oh [ __ ] is >> she must be desperate to get this case thrown out if this is the kind of stuff that they're pulling. And then the whole Napoleon thing like talking about he's making he's not ethical. Like are you kidding me?
He's he's handled everything in this case above reproach. So trying to convince me that he's a problem and he needs to be removed, that only goes to prove to me exactly how threatened they are of him.
You know what I mean? It's just he said it was a deposition strategy, right? That's what he was saying. So like, do you want to go deeper into that into the whole Napoleon thing?
>> Okay. Well, I'm going to I'll I'll finish out what you what you you know because I'm going to go deeper. So, his response he argued that Desert Perez motion is based on character attacks is based on unsupported uh inferences.
>> Inferences. Yeah.
um selective depos uh deposition um excerpts.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah. And disputed informal post deposition conversations. Uh so basically to make it a little bit more relaxed.
>> What are unsupported?
>> Yeah. Meanted me and you are sitting here and we're talking and I know that you're a hostile witness. I know that there's things that you don't want to say.
>> Okay. But I have a certain way of asking questions, right?
>> Uhhuh.
>> And if I phrase them a certain way and I come very polite and very respectful and and I'm giving you uh I guess I'm I'm talking to you with approval rather than disgust.
>> Got it.
>> Right.
>> Okay. I got it.
I mean like like well look I know if I know you I'm sure in your heart of heart you didn't realize what you were doing was really hurting your daughter right >> it's like it's like it's like >> you know what I mean? So like he's sitting there coaxing it along because he's trying to get a certain response out of her because he knows that she's a hostile witness.
So it sounds like what they did was is they took his polite >> I guess you could say his polite manner they took his kindness >> Yeah. They took his kindness for a weakness. Yeah. And then took it and tried to flip it >> and make it look like, oh, he's really on my side. Which is crazy because didn't she get everyone in the family to do depositions, >> right?
>> To say he's really on our side and not on their side. Like it's like that's that's kind of uh >> that's some narcissistic. Anyway, let we we got to be impartial right now. But go ahead, finish up.
I am being I am being impartial, but I'm just looking >> I I was saying this is that's some narcissistic that never mind. Go ahead.
I'm not saying you talking about me. I'm just saying to from like the motion based on character attacks, unsupported unsupported inferences, selective disposition expert excerpts and disputed informal post-deposition conversations like post-deposition conversations.
So basically what that means is is at the end of the deposition, Hilton most likely was trying to be polite and respectful to her and respect her motherhood and she just decided she was just going to take that and the whole family was going to take Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Like and all of this so that they can disqualify her attorney and get her attorney up out of there like Yeah. Wow. So, now we're just going to start with Perez's argument at full strength because her side is making serious allegations, but then we're going to read what was actually said in the response.
And um I don't know.
I know Desiree is hoping for a really big win, but the truth is these tactics are just it's creating more questions and making her and what she's doing and her counselors, it's making it look more questionable and leaving the door open for the judge eventually to be able to come and say, you know, okay, you're saying this, but we do have this physical evidence. So, yeah, I don't know. I I tell you one thing, it's leaving me with more questions. Exactly. What did you take away? I want to know what was said in that post deposition conversation. Like you're you're at a deposition and everyone's there and then everyone's walking out and you're being cordial and you're saying goodbye. What exactly is it that he said that made you think that he didn't believe his client and he believed you?
Like Hilton is very careful. So All right. Anyway, go on ahead. you take it away.
>> Let me let me say this because now can you scroll through um the the this this f this f this file I have here. Are you able to scroll through it or No, >> no, I'm not. But I have it.
>> You you sent it to me somewhere else, didn't you?
>> Yeah. Yeah, I sent it. But I'm saying like you see how it says next slide? Oh, I guess you can't. I guess you can't.
>> No, I can't do that.
>> Okay. All right. All right. Cuz I was going to say as I'm speaking, it would be dope to just go through. We can look I can go through cuz this is the actual um response >> that um this is in it says in opposition to defendant Desiree Perez motion to strike amend complaint or alternatively to do disqualify Napoleon Hilton as counsel.
>> Let me just sum let me just summarize it because shout out to this brother. This brother was cooking. This brother, Napoleon Hilton, bro, you you got a future, man. We >> What? I wouldn't love to be able to hire an attorney like him, >> man. Whatever you whatever office you go to, bro. I'm voting for I don't care, man. I'm voting for you. Like, do your thing, bro. The po the Mory Hadley's attorney. Okay. So, the plaintiff is um Demory Hadley, and this is an opposition to Desire Perez's motion asking the court to either strike Hadley's amended complaint or disqualify Napoleon Hilton Second as her attorney.
The response argued that Perez's motion is based on gamemanship, character attacks, selective deposition excerpts, and disputed off thereord claims rather than facts. Uh the facts are strong enough to justify dismissal or disqualification. So, I'm going to go over the the points. There's a lot of main point. There was a lot of Let's just go over the main points. Let's just go over the main points. Number one, Perez wants the harshest possible sanctions, but Planiff says there's no legal basis for it.
So, in this response, the response is saying striking a complaint with prejudice or removing Hadley's chosen lawyer would be very extreme. And Perez has not shown fraud on the court, intentional evidence destruction, bad faith, prejudice, or ethics violations. So remember, she was trying to say evidence being destroyed and stuff like that. And there was really no evidence destroyed.
In fact, I think like you said, Jag, there's going to be a lot more questions when it comes to this is 16 pages, and I'm I'm going just skim through it, but we could really go over it. I wanted to really go over this. Number one, this was in the the Moral uh you know uh defend your freedom series.
Uh, this part wasn't, and I'mma get into this. This This part is wild. This part is involving a grape or it it's talking about a an alleged grape, y'all. And hold on before I even go there.
>> Which is crazy cuz that's that's Javon, isn't it?
>> Yeah.
And and and it's crazy how they even got the phone or I'm sorry, how they even got this so-called evidence. But let me move forward. Let me get to the next part. This next point about the iCloud issue.
So it's the issue is framed as self-p protection and um not uh spoilization or spoilization. You had to tell me what that word meant. Spoilization.
So Perez accused Hadley of destroying evidence by changing or wiping her iCloud.
Hadley responds that she changed it because she believed Desiree Perez had hacked her iCloud and accessed her emails, her texts, her photos, and other private data. The response emphasizes that no lawsuit, demand letter, or preservation notice existed at the time.
So, Perez spoilization argument is portrayed as a stretch.
So, y'all y'all peep what I said there.
And remember that we're going to go back to the whole iCloud situation in a minute. The third point, the blink camera dispute described as semantics, right? Not perjury. So, Des Perez said that >> Demor contradicted herself by saying the camera was in her bedroom um in a complaint, but later saying it was in a bathroom in a death position. the response that Hadley um lived in a bedroom suite with an adjoining bathroom accessible uh from the back patio and y'all can see that in this well you can't see it all the way in here but you can kind of you see that top picture you can kind of you know get the layout that's the bathroom dead center and to the left is the is the is is the uh bedroom is what you can see it's the bed right there Now, if she's trying to say that the Moray contradicted herself by saying, you know, the camera was in the bedroom and them saying it was in the bathroom later.
But, um, you see the images, it includes body cam and it it includes screenshots showing the layout. That's what we're looking at right here. So, calling it the bedroom uh suite versus the bathroom is not a material lie.
Just because someone said the camera was in one place, it's not like she said the camera was in the front living room and then later said, "Oh, no, it was in a it was in the back bathroom." That's totally location.
Like I was saying earlier, if you look at this top image, you can see that's the bathroom door right there, dead centering in the middle of the frame.
>> If you look and you just turn just a little bit to the left, you'll see that's the foot of the bed.
>> Yeah, >> the bed is facing the bathroom door. The closet where the camera was is facing out from the from that from there. So, it's it it's you're able to see the bedroom and the bathroom simultaneously at the same time. It would make it would make more sense if the bathroom was, like I said, behind the bed.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Or if the bathroom was in the house and there was no bathroom in that unit. But this this is a small unit. Like essentially this is just a bedroom with a partition wall.
separating it and and look at we're talking you could go get off that bed from the foot of the bed and you could walk to the shower in 10 ft or less.
>> It's not It's not a big It's It's a nice It's not big to where it's >> not at all.
>> They're They're They're just It's >> like like Napoleon said, it's semantics.
>> It's not perjury. That's like you asking me, "Hey, where did you get that cereal from?" And I said, "Oh, it right over there in the kitchen." And then someone else comes and asks me, "Hey, where can I find the Captain Crunch?" In the pantry.
The pantry is in the kitchen.
Like, did I lie? If somebody asked me where the cereal was and I said, "Hey, it's in the kitchen." And then somebody else asked me and I say, "It's in the pantry." The pantry is in the kitchen.
It's definitely semantics.
The question is, why would you go through the trouble of making this emotion that would create such a a catastrophic blow to to her case?
>> She got 75.
H.
Well, go ahead. I'm sorry.
>> Okay, these next points are Oh, man.
This this one is kind of big, but the next one, the response strongly attacks Perez's claims that uh Napoleon alleged missions. Right. Perez claimed that Napoleon admitted Deore lied.
Huh, this is a big one.
>> Perez claims Napoleon admitted the Mori lied or that he believed that Perez was truthful.
So Napoleon denied uh saying that he believed everything Perez said.
Let me repeat that again.
Napoleon denies saying he believed everything Perez said and he argues any friendliness, apology, or validation during the deposition was a legal strategy to get Perez to open up. The response says his personal beliefs are irrelevant because the jury decides factual disputes.
So last goround, Desiree Perez filed and said Napoleon Hilton should be off this case because he told me himself that he believes me and that Demor lie. But here we are with this case here where Napoleon basically said he believed um wait denied saying he believed everything. Um he believed everything Perez said. And like I said, he was just being cool. He was he was being nice. He was being friendly. he was, you know, uh, validating the legal deposition, validating her during the the deposition. It was a legal strategy.
It's almost like if you go to, let's just say, okay, I've only been to like Hooters once and I I number one, I'm I I didn't like my service. I didn't like the wings. It was it was whack as hell. But, um, let me tell you how Hooters is. tutors is like you got the girls dressed up, they coming around, you know, they're asking you what you want to order, blah blah blah, this and that. And one of my partners, he he probably think the girl's flirting with him because she's all a little extra friendly and this and that. Nah, that's her job, buddy. She is she's doing that so she can get extra tips. You sitting over here, don't fall for the don't be a don't be a goofy.
Like I I my mama always say know who you dealing with. So correct me if I'm wrong. If Napoleon Hilton sat up and was very agreeable, very friendly to her and oh yeah, you know that don't necessarily mean he agrees with you and everything that you said.
Not only that, I'm sure there's things that she said that he gave her to validate her so she would she wouldn't feel completely invalidated as a mom.
This is a mother and a daughter that are in a heated argument in a heated debate about some serious serious infringements of privacy, liberty, and just overall respect.
I'm sure on several occasions Desiree's greatest defense is, "This is my daughter. I love my daughter."
Hilton could have easily simply just said, "I believe you, ma'am. I believe you do love your daughter."
>> Yeah.
>> And she could have taken that and turned that into this so-called defense on why he's being unethical and he believes her over Doure, right?
Because technically Demora said, "If my mother really loved me, she wouldn't be doing this, this, this, this, and this to me." So technically, if he even said to her, "I believe you love your daughter." That would be him saying that he believed her and not believing Demor, right? Like, we have to look at it. She's probably taking a lot of really simple things and turning them on their head.
That's what it that's what it appears.
That's what it sounds like. And of course, this would this would be for her. This benefits her. Like, you know, why why look at him just doing his job as him not doing his job? She looks a little deeper into the whole little situation.
Like I said, no offense, but that just let that just kind of lets me know that, you know, something's off with this lady. That's just my opinion. Okay. So, this situation here, this this point here about a Rock Nation employee, y'all pay attention because this was the beginning of the downfall for my channel last summer when I had um put up the the freedom series. We were rolling it out. I forget what was it like once a every other day or week. I forget how long we did it for.
>> We were going like every two to three days we would drop a new episode. And I wouldn't say it was the downfall. It was definitely an attack.
>> Well, I'm going to say downfall meaning this is when I started noticing some some some things >> sabotage.
>> I had uh yeah, I had I had included a Rock Nation employee.
Her name was uh Natalie Anderson. I had included her photo which was a public photo from I forget the the I think it's LinkedIn public photo. I got struck for it. Okay, cool. No problem. Natalie Anderson issue.
And in this response, he's saying this Natalie Anderson issue is false and easily disproven because Desiree Perez allegedly claimed Napoleon revealed that Deé said she did not know Natalie Anderson.
The response says, "That don't make no sense because prior court filings already describe Anderson as Perez's longtime assistant and someone who had known Demor since a child.
Natalie Anderson is someone who has known Demor since childhood, right?"
So, in this in this in this in the um the complaint, I guess they were, you know, trying to make a thing about Natalie Anderson because if you guys watch Defending Your Freedom, there's a part where Demor explains Natalie Anderson came up to her and did what, Jag?
Well, she came up to her and she questioned her, if I'm correct, about her therapist.
>> Mhm.
>> And she wanted to try to, I guess, convince her to go along with whatever it was that her mother wanted, I believe, if I would remember that correctly.
>> Yeah.
>> And then, >> so, >> yeah.
>> No, go ahead. What?
>> No. And and then after that, Natalie actually contacted Demor's grief counselor, who she had been seeing ever since her family member had passed away, and tried to convince her and play her recordings of an alleged essay that was led by allegedly her husband and and Dore supposedly crying and begging to be saved and begging to be helped from the situation.
to which if I remember correctly her therapist said I know Deore that's not her >> not her voice >> and I don't know why you're calling me but this is totally improper so yeah >> right right >> it would be impossible like demory would like yeah okay >> yeah so in in this in this in this report in this motion the Natalie Anderson issue he called false and easily disproven Which if Natalie Anderson was someone who had known Demores since childhood. Yeah, that's that's that's a no-brainer. Now, here's another one. The January 22nd alleged domestic domestic DV issue is called irrelevant to the Baker Act claim. So, um, even assuming someone interpreted a video showing Javon allegedly punching Gamor, the response argues that that wouldn't um, qualify, that wouldn't satisfy a legal requirement for involuntary examination under Florida's Baker Act and does not prove the central claims. So, they're trying to run with the fact that there was an DV situation and that's the reason why she had to be Baker active. Okay. Got it. Now, here's another one. Death Perez has an extortion theory and it's proven. Well, I ain't gonna say I ain't going to say it's proven, but he's pointing out that this is very unrealistic. Reason why is because this response argues that Jovon being arrested multiple times does not show an extortion plot. It says Perez theory would require believing Javon somehow plan to get himself jailed in order to extort money from Desiree Perez.
So Des has this theory about these online this they have an online situation and it's a it's an attack against you know they they have this whole theory and then he has a theory about well Javon is going after me and saying that I got him arrested but he got himself arrested. I guess that's what her that's what her claim is but uh >> which is which is crazy. It's crazy to blame someone who did absolutely nothing wrong for getting theirelves arrested >> for minding their business.
>> Mhm.
>> Like all of us saw defending your freedom. We all saw that day. You know what I mean? What was it? New Year's >> when they all went down to the farm and they were hanging out with the nieces.
Well, the nephews and >> Mhm.
>> they were playing they they were minding their business.
>> Mhm. They weren't doing anything wrong.
He didn't even have a warrant for his arrest. Like he he wasn't being accused of anything up until those phone calls came through and that questionable retired police officer >> who said the auntie.
>> Yeah. Who said the auntie >> Mhm.
>> turned private investigator start saying, "Oh, the auntie called. The auntie called. The auntie called it like come on how did he get himself arrested?
Please go on go further.
>> Yeah. Okay. So Desert Perez also claimed that Deore and Devon are married or she claimed that Deore and Javon they got married for spousal privilege.
>> Uh crazy.
>> And that and that that that's been rejected. The response says the most well it's going to in the response they're rejecting. The response says that most uh relevant events happen before their marriage. Meaning >> exactly >> spousal spousal privilege would not cover >> it would not apply. It wouldn't apply.
Spousal privilege only apply in what happens between a husband and wife while they are married. They got married after all of this was done. They didn't like >> there's no spousal privilege. none.
>> It argues that they were longtime partners who married because Perez was allegedly trying to separate them.
>> I mean, they got married because they've been together since freshman year, >> being 14 years old, >> high school.
>> They had been together for over 15 years.
>> Mhm. And even after everything that they had been put through, they still saw the value in loving each other and wanted to continue moving forward with their lives together. So, they got married.
>> So, salute to them because in all honesty, uh it's rare that you have that situation. And I'm I I'm I'm rooting for them. That's real love. TR rooting for real love >> even through college. and they went to two different colleges in two different states. Like usually >> made it through.
>> I mean, you usually what that that usually that usually rips >> kids apart. They're both away from home for the first time. He was playing ball on a scholarship. She was going to another college. You know, I mean, when you think about even that incident in incident that they had between them, that embarrassing moment where they got into, you know, the commotion that turned into a a DB situation, AI manipulated and so on and so forth.
She was worried about him. What do you want to go be with another girl? Like just the the passion and the fire that she still has for him. They're both sick and she's worried about where he's going cuz she don't want him to leave. Like they are truly in love, you know. So to sit there and try to make it seem like the only reason they got married because they were looking for protection.
No, cuz see them being married, it makes it impossible for her to claim next to kin to throw her back in a hospital again. See, this is the thing that's bothering me that >> I really want to just take and highlight >> what he has now become, which he wasn't before they got married, before she got Baker acted, before she got Marchman acted, before strangers came into her life, sent by her mother. Cuz see, he was just her boyfriend, her fiance, whatever the case may be. That was still her mom, right?
>> He's now next to Ken, >> which means anything that happens to Deore, people have to come through him from here on out.
>> Mommy doesn't get a say anymore.
Mommy's not in control anymore.
So yeah, like while she's busy making these arguments, it is opening the door to look at these things in another way.
Your daughter has a protector now.
Your daughter has a wall in between whatever manipulations you can pull is next to Ken.
And it's someone who truly loves her and wants the best for her, >> you know. It's >> Yeah.
>> It's just kind of interesting, isn't it?
>> Very.
>> But go ahead. I'm sorry.
>> This filing also says the broader case is not frivolous. So, I guess Desert Perez is saying trying to run that the whole case is is is fake. It's phony.
It's Ali McIll. Um, Perez apparently argued the case is a smear campaign and pointed to dismissed parties.
The response says five of eight individuals involved in one false imprisonment claim settled.
Claims against Perez remain pending and the plaintiff plans to appeal some dismissals.
Another point, the response accuses Perez of misrepresenting a bedroom video photo. This is this is why this is this this one blew me. This straight this this part right here. This one, y'all. Right here. Right here.
>> Let's take our time and let's walk this out slow because this is really serious.
>> Uh >> this here is really serious.
>> Yeah. if you want to read it, but let me let me give you the the this is the structure.
>> No, we don't have to read it. We don't have to read it. We can just go over, >> you know, the details, but I just want I'm saying like I want to take this slow and I want to walk it through because the truth is >> it can be confusing.
>> Okay, gotcha.
Here's one of the strongest parts in in the um in this in this filing right here. his response. It says Perez, Desire Perez used a screenshot slash video in a separate lawsuit to insinuate grape.
But Demoria says the video actually shows her and Javon singing, laughing, and playing together.
The response says Perez lawyers should be sanctioned and should be made to play the video in court and explain their characterization.
So >> So they use this screenshot.
Hold on. Like hold on hold on hold on.
um they used that screenshot to say that there was a video in Dor's phone. Well, hold on.
I got to pull this up now. Hold on. I got to pull this up. Give me one second.
>> Yeah. And I'm glad you said Yeah. I'm glad you said what we're going to do is walk this out. We're We're going to walk this out. Hold on. Hold on. I really got to pull this up. Give me one second. Go ahead.
>> The thing that I'm not understanding like, and if you guys are looking at this camera angle, this is Siobhan in the bedroom.
Have trust.
Now, is she saying that this came from a phone or did it come from that blink camera?
That's the real question. Where did this image come from?
>> That that's that's what I'm going to get into. Hold on. Let me pull this up real quick. That That's exactly what I'm going to get into. Give me one second.
I'm We already know I'm I'm working.
Where is it at?
>> No, I know.
>> Here it is. Right here.
During the deposition, Laura Catz, I'm trying to tell y'all that that's the woman that came for me. Not not like that. She she came after me. I don't play in the snow. Uh council for consolidated plaintiffs, which included defendant Perez confronted Deore with a photograph and a video. The results were shocking. Demor stated, "I didn't know what this is. I'm looking for it for the first time um ever. Um well, I'm sorry.
I'm looking at it for the first time ever with you. Of course, Miss Gats had the volume turned all the way down.
Murray requested the volume be raised.
The video showed Deé and Devon singing, laughing, playing, and having a good time.
Perez's attempt to catch a two love birds singing to each other as evidence of a gang great is shocking, appalling, and should not be tolerated in this court. Sanctions are appropriated.
Appropriate, I'm sorry. And you dead ass because they literally took this video clip. It just did a still shot, but they in in the in the the report, but they took the video clip and made it seem as if Javon was uh was saying all kind of uh um like nasty things to to Demor.
Um my thing is is this. If in the video clip the volume was turned down, how do they know what he said?
>> Whoa.
>> How do they know what he said? If the volume was turned down, if what you're showing is a video clip that's supposed to be evidence of him in some kind of SADV situation with Deore, how do you know what he said?
The only way you could possibly know what he said is if you were monitoring that footage and you heard it yourself.
No, no, no. What they what they're doing, look, they're trying to navigate around how they got her cell phone because this was >> So, all of this came from the cell phone. This didn't come from the camera.
That's what I was trying to get at.
>> Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm trying to tell you.
>> So, okay, listen to me. You did not make that part clear. And that's why I said we got to walk this through slow.
>> Yeah, I know. Because they're saying that when they moved, they allegedly abandoned a cell phone >> and that's how they got the evidence.
>> That That's Yeah, that's that's what they're saying.
>> So, they're saying that Deore and Javon left the phone at Abuos's house in that bedroom suite. And after they left, >> Mhm.
They retrieved the phone.
>> Mhm.
>> And they were able to go in the phone cuz we're supposed to believe that there wasn't a password on it or a passcode on it, >> right? Like it's just just >> Let's just be clear. It's just a open phone.
She uses iPhones. Anybody who has a iPhone knows that it's very, very, very rare.
Actually, no. I've never used my iPhone and just been able to go in it. I've always had to put in a code, whether it's facial recognition or whether it's, you know, you have to type in the numbers. So, the phone was abandoned, left behind. and they were able to get into it without needing a passcode or any way to get in and that was left in there. And meanwhile, De Moore ain't never tried to get the phone back. Door ain't never asked for the phone.
Like, how is any of this making any sense?
>> It's wow. It's wow. Because this is the story to cover up the fact that the reason why Deore got rid of the iCloud was because she believed and had evidence that her mother had hacked into her phone. And the very evidence that they're trying to push off, it actually gives more credence to what is saying about her phone being hacked than this wild story about a mom who found a phone. And in the phone, it just so happened that there was a whole grape scene in it between her daughter and at the time her daughter's boyfriend with no volume.
Just like that so-called DV footage of her with the Super Soaker.
I'm sorry. Go ahead.
>> No.
No.
>> So again, Napoleon is saying that Demory didn't destroy evidence or hide the eye cloud. Um, change her iCloud like Desire is saying, we we know it was about protection. And even this situation here, it it they they they they're telling on themselves. You get what I'm saying?
>> They're they are telling on themselves.
They're telling themselves >> what's funny is is that they're literally using evidence of their crime to try to point fingers at the pe Oh my goodness. At the people that are suing them. This is out of control. Wait a minute. I just want to answer a question or two and acknowledge this super chat. Elena asked, "By the way, is Abuo trustworthy?" And I'm not going to say that we know um them personally.
We've never spoken to him, but Deore has never said anything other than how amazing he is. And not only that, he's an elderly man who has dementia.
So, I I don't know. I don't I don't see how he could even be even if they tried to use him against her, how he could even be an asset to go against. you know, he was he was always very loving and I guess that's the reason why they've worked so hard to keep him out of her life because she still hasn't seen a boyo or been able to talk to him in over a year now. I just wanted to say that. And and Odell, if I'm speaking incorrectly about anything, please um hop in and correct me on any statement that I'm making. Uh Lee Hop, thank you so much for the super chat. My dear Leehop says, "Thank you, Jag Odell, for all the hard work you both do. Keep up the great work. Stay safe and you always have my support. Keep telling these mofos and expo keep telling on these mofos and exposing them all. Thank you. Thank you, Lee Hop." No. Um, so yeah, you were saying >> no. Um, not I I I this this was very disturbing.
This part here where the response said uh Perez used this um screenshot to imply that her husband raped her. And the Napoleon is saying that again the video is played in full and it shows them laughing and talking and singing together.
>> Yeah. Uh, and yeah, I think attorneys should be sanctioned if they're going out of their way to falsify stuff and say, "Yeah, this is this is this is bad."
>> No, it's beyond it's beyond bad.
>> She actually brought these filings to the court to have them cited for in, you know, inethical law practice, in ethical behavior. In this case, she's trying to have Deore cited for committing perjury over the placement of a camera in a bathroom suite.
But you have the audacity to try to flex and literally enter in as evidence stuff that you know is a lie.
Oh, >> let me wrap it because >> yeah, >> I just these got a few more points that I'm just going to just breeze through because it's like this.
>> There's also an issue with they said the social media argument. There's a social media um >> that part >> claim >> Perez is saying um okay well first off >> uh Demory Halley they complied with the court order limiting outside statements and um Desert Perez is claiming uh well she can't identify any any more violations because they tried to get her for the Tasha K thing and all that even though that was done before the um >> gag order was put in place.
>> The gag order was put in. Right.
So, there was a two $2,500 sanction.
Uh most of that had been paid.
Any remaining issue was an oversight, not grounds to dismiss the case. She's really trying to get the case dismissed because of the the social media argument. also when it comes to disqualifications says uh the response says Perez has no authorities for removing the the the attorney Napoleon argues that his deposition behavior was strategic not unethical. He says he killed her with kindness to get a better testimony from Perez and that the strategy worked because she opened up more as the deposition went on.
So again, brother was doing his job.
Salute.
And finally, the response ends by saying it's emphasizing that demor still wants Napoleon as her attorney.
So they ask the court to deny Perez's motion because Perez has not uh proven the required grounds for either striking the complaint or disqualifying counsel.
So the filing says it's a forceful opposition arguing that Perez is trying to derail the case by attacking Mory Hadley and her lawyer instead of addressing the core claims. The core claims are the alleged hacking, the surveillance, the false imprisonment, the Faker act misuse, and the manipulation of evidence.
>> Yeah.
And that's all I got to say about that because um yeah, that's all I got to say. It's it's it's it's wild, man.
It's hard to talk about this case without getting angry or becoming emotional sometimes because you see the lengths that some people are willing to go through just to control the narrative. Because at the end of the day, all of these arguments and everything that she's brought forward, as convincing as it's displayed and as uh alluring as it may seem as a counterargument, what it's showing is that that there's nothing that she's not willing to do to control the narrative about her conduct regarding the she's handled her daughter.
Like, think about it. That's what this is all about.
You're still arguing.
Like, how many times is she going to accuse this man of essaying this woman, of essaying her daughter, of essaying his wife? How many times? Wasn't there um some statement in the complaint where they tried to say that Deor said, "Oh, well, we don't consider that whatever you saw, you know, that this so-called event that didn't happen. We don't call that grape.
We don't think of it. It's perfectly fine." Like the way they tried to take it and spin it and turn it.
>> Yeah. Yeah, >> the more I think about it, >> cuz the way she tried to frame it is is that it was Demor's admission to being essay and saying it's okay with me. But when you know exactly what's on the footage, how it's reeling, you know, like as I reel it back in, Deore is saying what you saw. Yeah, that's perfectly fine by us because it's not grape. It's us having a good time hanging out and singing. Sorry. We don't look at singing and having fun and joking with each other as great.
That's the way you want to make it seem.
That's not what happened. You know what I mean? Like I can totally see Deore having that opinion, but then she takes that and says, "Oh, well this is clearly an attack and my daughter is saying that she doesn't care because this is normal to them." Like how many times are you going to try to make a monster out of this man so you don't look like one?
Well, I think once this case is done, but I'm sure I'm sure the Hadley are going to get their justice. I think people need to really look into Rock Nation and especially Des Perez because y'all y'all got y'all think about this whole Tory Lane situation. Now again, I'm not here caping for Tory Lane's old short [ __ ] run, but when there's an injustice, because I see it all the time, black men getting railroaded by situations like this, the courts don't give a damn about black men. Let's just keep it a [ __ ] >> Injustice is injustice.
>> Yeah.
>> And it's bigger than black men. It's bigger than black men. The courts don't care about god-fearing people. How about that?
>> There you go. You're right.
You're right. Okay. But I'm I'm I'm saying black men because number one, >> that's what I'm classified as, etc. But yeah, it is deeper because we know what it is. Um, but people need to look into Perez's other dealing. They need to look into Rock Nation. They need to look into all this. It's it's it's it's very um man I don't know what to say. I I not about to you know >> no every time we look at this case and every time there's a new filing it it's just becomes more and more egregious and appalling.
>> Yeah.
Cuz what I'm looking at is is nobody's seeing that this woman is not dealing in reality.
For you to be able to take an innocent image of two people having a good time, having having fun, and to turn that into a monstrous attack, some kind of crime, and then be able to commit to putting it down and then being willing to testify that that's what you believe that that is. What that says to me is that you're mentally ill.
Like for instance, the testimony about me in the Ashley Parham case, someone literally took the time to create a whole narrative that I was in Las Vegas and that I got into a car with somebody who sued Michael Jackson and I drove across state line holding two people against their will and then I rode and I went here and then I went I I specifically took these people here just so that they could witness this person being assaulted and I said, "Yeah, get the remote control."
Somebody took the time to invent that.
Somebody took the time to create that story.
And the attorney that that took that in issued that in her her license is been under suspension. It's about to be reinstated.
But these people are mentally ill.
You got to be sick to sit there and and and to create all of these false Oh my goodness.
He pow powed me, but we can't find the bullet fragments.
Oh my. Like why why is nobody taking into consideration that all of these people that are lying about all of these things that never happened, they're the sick ones, they're the mentally ill ones, and you have attorneys.
Like, in my opinion, I don't think I like the fact that lawyers are allowed to lie essentially as long as they don't get busted doing it. You got to be able to get them busted for real. You got you got to just know like it's just like lawyers I see more lawyers pedalling lies than fighting for the truth. And it's crazy because the lawyers that fight for the truth, they have the hardest time doing it. Which makes me wonder like when you think about law and the rules of law and all of the laws written into the book, there's so many of them. Like God has 10 laws. It's real simple. 10.
>> No should be 42.
I'm sorry.
We ain't going to get into that. I'm sorry.
>> No, you're talking about the 42 laws of power. That's something different than commandments. the 42 laws of my eyes.
>> They got the commandments from the 42 laws of my eye. They couldn't do the other 32, so they came with 10. Anyway, >> why couldn't they do the other 32?
>> That's a whole another discussion.
>> Okay, got it.
>> I'm sorry. We can talk about that.
>> No, you're not sorry. I'm done.
>> Why you mad? Why you getting mad?
>> I ain't mad. I'm done.
>> Why you done?
>> Cuz you tripping.
>> I'm not tripping.
You know, you got a point. You're just talking about well, when you talk the reason why I even brought up the 42 laws and I said my because my represents balance and what we got going on right here is just, you know, imbalance from from every angle, every everywhere we're talking about with this whole situation.
>> In balance is in order. You got someone with power, a Desiree Perez, who has this perceived power, >> and she's able to encroach on her daughter's life and do all like, y'all really got to look at this um this case and and see what we're talking about because it's laid out in plain English, but a person with that much power, they shouldn't be able to get away with stuff that they've done.
And meanwhile, you have attorneys who are sitting here knowing that you're lying, knowing that you're making stuff up. And they're able to sit there on your behalf and continue these false stories >> and do it for billable hours. And it doesn't matter whose life it destroys or who it hurts. Just >> as long as they get paid, >> they getting capacity. Bottom line is now we got to look into the situation with her attorneys because she's not able to utilize a particular attorney, right?
>> What do you mean?
>> Talking about breath.
>> Which attorney?
>> Okay. So, there was a an article I read not too long ago about Desire Perez's um attorneys, right?
>> You're talking about the insurance claim.
>> Yeah. Yes. Yes.
>> Well, the insurance claim basically just said that they weren't going to pay for her legal fees. She can use whatever attorney she likes.
They're just not paying for it.
>> They're not paying for it.
>> They're not covering any of the retainer. So, Rock Nation's insurance.
Yeah, Rock Nation's insurance says it won't pay >> for Death Ray Perez's legal.
>> Apparently, she's paying for it, which is why I guess she's going through all of this trouble to um I don't know, you know, just make a mess as much as possible because this is crazy.
It is. It's crazy all of these arguments. Like, how many times is she going to show that she has photos of these people in their private doicile where she breached their their privacy, their intimacy?
>> I mean, >> like if you got all of these if you got all of these pictures and you had that camera, how many times were they intimate and you you and that camera was on? I don't even think about that.
That's weird.
That's [ __ ] weird.
>> You know what I mean? Like, and it's and it's wild because it's like you're going through all of this because you don't want to live with the fact that people are now knowing and finding out exactly how unhinged you are.
Cuz this is unhinged by every means. This is unhinged.
the things that you're you're like, "No, man. No."
And I get it. I get why she came after our channels. I get why she went after every last content creator that she did because let's just be honest, by no means does any of this make her look good, make her look sane, make her look, you know, like a a decent person. But at the end of the day, we have to start asking ourselves questions.
Why is it that people like this get to get away with doing the things that they do because of money?
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
You know, it it's um when when you look at all of the things that people have to go without, like all of the things that people are forced to give up and walk away from, like all of that, it's just it's unbelievable.
But when you see what people can do with money, Yeah, >> like this is wild. This is wild. Hey, Elena's Elena's, thank you so much for the super chat. She says, "Is it wrong that I resent that there's a song for Brian Steel and feel perturbed by that?" By the way, the kids don't care for his three CDs except for one song. Lol.
Now, when you're talking about Brian Steel, what what am I missing?
Oh, you meant Drake.
Oh, okay.
Um, I mean, listen to me. Do you want to have a quick conversation about the whole Drake situation since you brought it up before we go?
>> Okay, that's fine.
I guess we could do that after we wrap up what we're talking about here because I think that's interesting cuz honestly this is the first person that's even brought up anything regarding um the Iceman Cometh return and all of that.
We really haven't talked about it and haven't had much to say about it at all.
But um long and short of it for me when I look at what Demor is going through, what she's going through.
When I look at the amount of power and the constructs that have been there to h support such an evil agenda because this is just pure evil. I don't care what anyone says. No one will ever get me to say anything different. This is evil.
It is. It's evil to sit there and to look for ways to try to destroy someone's life. It's evil to look for ways to um just like at at the end of the day, she's literally going out of her way to make her daughter look like a liar and she's not.
There hasn't been an any instance where we've gone through any of what we've seen or what we've reviewed where we found Deore being dishonest in any way. Have we?
>> No.
>> And like she could have lied about a few things. She could have embellished.
>> She could have, you know, tried to evade. She could have done a lot of things, but she didn't. At every turn, we found her to just be forthcoming, even when it was uncomfortable.
So, yeah. I I don't get it. I just I don't get it.
Why do you want your daughter to be a liar so much? Like, why do you want her to also you don't have to look crazy?
Like, that's the part. Like if you don't want to look crazy then how about you don't be crazy.
>> Yeah. Like I >> medication >> like can is it is it that hard is it that hard that you you just you you just got to be nuts, huh? Let's go crazy.
Let's get nuts. And like I'm not going to let the elevator bring us down. Like >> like I don't I don't get it. Like >> it's just don't be crazy. I Yeah. So ah ah on that note um please guys just keep the and Javon in your prayers keep the Hadley's in your prayers keep >> we'll come back we'll come back on this because both responses have been filed and the judge should you know rule on it soon we we'll definitely come back with But this is this is interesting. It's sad at the same time. And y'all saw how we had been a year.
>> It's been a year. It's been a year.
>> It's sad that we got even approached this conversation the way we did because it seems like every time even on my channel I talk about this case, no traction, no like it's very it's very peculiar. They are always the lowest performing videos that we have. Always >> as if the algorithm is telling us move on you big dummies. Nobody cares about this.
>> And it's No, no, no. It what it is is I know what goes on behind the scenes.
Keywords, words, >> certain things that are to be um >> banned. Let's just say it like that.
So, they're doing something nefarious behind the scenes and we we gonna get into that, too.
>> The Secret Life of CC's.
>> We gonna get into that show. I want to get into it.
Start knocking that down.
>> They're not They're not funny and fair.
I understand. You know, y'all y'all got the advantage. Y'all want to keep the advantage.
I tell you one thing, whatever advantage you think you have, it might work early on, but no different than the tortoise in the hair.
It will fail.
You know, I look at how many people like, and that's the one thing that I will say that this case has um opened up for me in my mind's eye. uh looking at how confident she's been. Desiree has been very confident from the very very very beginning um before we got involved in this before we It's just crazy like it's you realize it's been a year.
>> We're coming up on the on one year of us releasing Defending Your Freedom and um >> week.
>> Yeah. And it was around this time that we had filmed and you know Demor was, you know, they they wanted a gag order and here we are a year later and she's still in the fight and we always knew she would be, which is why we promised that we would never let it go. But I look at all of the people who walked away from this and and I think about the way that this came to uh the internet. It came to the internet with Deore being labeled mentally ill, weak.
Uh she she she just was a a stupid girl in love with the wrong guy. Hey, and and her mom is the CEO of Rock Nation and she could have anything and she's something must be wrong with her. Look at the life that she's chasing after all of these things and and here she is. She's still fighting.
She's still fighting. When I think of the first time I I I saw that video, it was on Poetic Flaco's channel.
and he's sitting there talking about, "Oh, yeah. You know, well, you know, the way her mom is and and the things that's going on, it looks like it's extreme, but you know, she's a mother that's trying to save her daughter from from, you know, her her her bum her bum boyfriend and and look at this black guy. He's taking advantage of her and and yada yada yada." And like that was the story.
And everyone was so comfortable with letting that story rock, you know, it it's interesting just year later and she's still fighting, you know, and she deserves for everyone who said they cared about this case to still be in this fight, to still be vigilant. if she can hold on after everything that she's been through, we can continue to stand steady no matter what they do.
That's that's all I just wanted to say about that.
When you look at how hard they tried to make her sound crazy, that was the part that pissed me off.
And it pissed me off because they've done the same thing to me.
You know, it it hits different when it happened to you, too.
It does.
It takes on a whole another um a whole another emotional and I don't even want to say emotional, but sentimental uh understanding.
You know, there's just when I think about everything that her and Javon have had to go through and and I think about, you know, my own life.
This can happen to anybody.
It can happen to anyone.
And people will stand by and let the money run the show.
Please keep them in your prayers.
So anyway, regarding the whole Drake thing, as you could see, uh it was stated that her children listen and they've listened to all three, but they only like one song. And you know, she's not trying to be a hater, but she ain't into it.
I still haven't really listened to the project.
>> I'm not gonna lie.
>> There three projects he did. The one is like world music, one is all rap, one is R&B. So there's three different projects.
>> I still haven't really taken a listen. I have though listened to the commentary and a lot of people have had a lot of things to say and it's really weird because it seems to be 50/50 right down the middle.
>> Yeah.
>> Some people think it's the greatest thing ever >> and then others think that it's not. And what's doing it for me is is in my opinion if it was really hidden like that I would be seeing it in a ton of memes.
I would be seeing I would be hearing it.
It would be being reposted this song like you know what I mean? I don't see that.
I don't but but then again I don't see that with a lot of stuff. I don't >> I guess it's just it depends on where you're at. Like I was with my nephew, you know, for the most part they you know they're that they're that age bracket. So >> yeah. I'm asking how how did they receive it? Are they excited about it?
No, they really Ice man. They were like, "Okay, it's cool." Like they were bumping a few songs and I was uh like, "Yeah, you know the one where they sample mini ripple 10." They were, "Oh, okay. That's cool." So, I mean, you know, it's like like you say, it's that it's that same thing. It's like 50 and you know.
>> Yeah. Very interesting. But they I mean, I'll say they received it. It's not like it's not like freaking Tupac how Tupac had all eyes on me. Everybody like that was crazy.
I'mma tell you something right now.
>> I wasn't feeling Pac right before he died. I was pissed off at the fact that he left >> that he went to the West Coast >> and he went to the West Coast.
>> I knew it. I knew it.
>> I hated that. And it wasn't until after he passed away and I'll never forget my little cousin.
He was a Tupac disciple.
I mean, he was so into Tupac. He literally went out and got the Thug Life tattoo on his belly.
>> Wow.
>> But he didn't put Thug Life. He put UNLV, which is what they call the neighborhood, United Ninjas of Logan Valley. And he got it fashioned like Tupac on his belly. Okay. And He used to wake up and every morning the first thing that he would turn on was Hail Mary.
>> That's crazy.
>> And I'll never forget one day I came by the house to see my aunt and he got up and it came on and for whatever reason it hit different that day.
And I went up to the room and I'm like, "Man, what you back here blasting."
He was like, "Yo, this P, man." I was like, "I know about Pac." He was like, "You don't know about this Pac."
>> And so I just sat still for a second and I really paid attention to the lyrics and I started listening to him, his heart, what he was, what he was really trying to get across.
And then that beat kicked in.
And then the next thing you know, I didn't do anything but listen to Maveli for two weeks straight.
>> Wow.
>> Studied the whole thing. And then it made me go back and listen to everything else.
And then I realized his death was what was going to make him one of the greatest rappers of all time.
>> Yeah.
>> Because the truth is, would the Maveli Project have been what it was if he hadn't have died?
I got I got a whole bunch of unreleased pop stuff that I think I'm gonna start putting out. Um, >> did you hear the question that I just asked?
>> Yeah, I just heard you. Would would his album Maveli would have been as impactful if he didn't pass? I don't.
So, that that's the reason why I said I got a bunch of unreleased pop stuff from the death row days that I think I'm going to start putting out. I was just trying to see if it was copyritten or if I get in trouble for it. I got a lot of P stuff. And that's the reason why I said that because I was thinking he had he had a lot of other projects lined up that he was going to do. You know, I think he >> I know >> something that he was going to call Euthan Asia. Uh he was going to do one with all the you know like look I wasn't a Tupac.
>> Can we be very honest? Can we be very honest about Biggie Smalls?
Life After Death wasn't better than Ready to Die.
>> Not at all.
>> Matter of fact, >> [ __ ] >> Matter of fact, Life After Death didn't even come close to Ready to Die.
>> Not at all. No. And it was a double >> Life After Death was cool. It was good.
>> Okay.
>> But it did not supersede.
and yet the fanfare behind it.
And I think that was the moment when I started understanding energy harvesting. And it was also the moment where as an artist I I made it up in my mind that I didn't want to be the biggest artist of all time. Like I knew that before I came into the game because I knew the second that you make it there, either you're trapped there or you die there.
>> Well, that's a conversation that I wanted to have. That's the reason why I was saying what I was saying. Uh, like if Pac and Biggie would have lived, right?
Where would they be at today? Right now, think about it. So, I look at like Snoop. I look at like Jay-Z. I really don't look at I really don't look at Jay-Z, but >> Nobody does >> cuz cuz Jay-Z is corny. People really I think people >> Wait a minute.
>> There is this guy called I think it's called the Pardon Me. the the Part of Me podcast.
And so he just starts like he he has a short of him showing all of the rappers who Jay-Z stole songs from.
>> Oh shoot.
>> And never gave credit to.
And you know, I'm just sitting there looking like people keep calling him the goat. People keep calling him the this. They keep calling him to that. But the truth is, you have I have never seen anybody sit down and have a debate about the greatness of his lyrics or his music or his impact. Like I've seen people talk about Rakim. Like I've seen people even talk about Nas.
Like I've seen people talk about KRS1.
Like I've seen people like I've never seen anyone really sit down and have a real full comprehensive conversation about who he is lyrically.
And the truth is if you go back and you listen to him lyrically there's no depth there.
It's a bunch of um puns, sneak disses, and not even real double antandras, like fake double antandras. Like Kendrick does a much better job at it than he does. And it's uh it's empty. And it's like, you know what? He's a magician.
He tricked everyone into believing that he was more than what he was. And I'm just like, and there are so many people that have just bowed down to it. So, it's I'm looking, you know, like I like I wonder if Jay-Z dies, what happens to his catalog?
>> Nothing.
>> I don't think his death will improve his record sales at all.
I don't I don't see it at all.
So, if that's the case, then is it fair to say that it's the death of other great rappers around him that enabled his career to live?
like he's like the Dorian Gray of rap.
If he's ever forced to look at his painting, you know, cuz Dorian Grey couldn't look at his painting. Not at all.
I don't know. What do you guys think?
Like for those of you who don't know, he is um a character, you know, from the uh I guess you could say the supernatural fables and stories.
I guess you could attach him to the necromancy tales like the Draculas and stuff like that. And basically he wanted to live and be young and amazing forever.
So he went to I guess it was a witch you could say and they painted him as he was and then they put a spell over that picture. Now he had to keep that painting but he could not look at that painting because he would stay young.
But the painting would age.
So if he ever looked at that painting, he would be forced to switch places with the image. And it's wild because I'll never forget in one movie uh the League of the Extraordinary Gentlemen, you know, you had uh Sean Connory was the lead in that film and a bunch of other characters, but he was forced to actually look at that painting and the painting it was like he was the [ __ ] keeper. He was so old and then it switched when he looked at it. So, I don't know.
I kind of feel that way about Jay-Z to a certain extent.
like he immortalized himself in this false portrait and he's been living in that image.
But the reality of who he is, it's been aging.
It's been deteriorating.
It's been decomposing.
And God forbid he ever face it. So, it's uh yeah, I don't know. That's just a thought. But as far as the Drake project, I don't know. I'm curious to see where it's going to go. I I see a lot of trickery. I see a lot of foolishness going on. I think I'm going to have to actually sit down and force myself to listen to the project. Like really listen to it. Like I've listened to some songs in passing. But the truth is is I haven't been um I haven't been pressed to. And it's wild because there's a lot of Drake songs that I liked. like worst behavior is one of my one of my favorites.
No every word. Um there's a song with him from time I believe with Genie Aiko that I really like. Like there are songs but I can't really say that they're are whole projects. So yeah, I don't know.
I'm gonna take a listen. We'll see.
But I just think that hip-hop as we know it, it's been over, but I think it has a chance to resurrect in the midst of all of this chaos. But we'll see what's going on. We'll see what it is.
So, on that note, guys, I think we're going to wrap it up. We've been here for a little while.
That's the update of what we have on what's going on with the Javon and Deore Hadley saga. Um, justice for the Hadley's. Like for real, let's not get away from that. And we're going to keep talking about it. We're going to stay on it because the trial is coming. It's set for 5 months from now. So, we have just a little bit further to go. And I I'm going to say what I said last year a year ago. I believe she's going to win.
I believe they are going to win.
I think we need that win. I think the public needs to see, everyone needs to see that God is still looking out and he's still in control.
So on that note, I'm Jaguar, right? I want to thank our super producer and guest host Wolf Gang Amadeas from Sat in the West.
And we'll see you guys soon. And please like, share, hype this video. Please become a member.
And I just want to say for everyone here, especially to all the new members, um, when we have a discussion on the floor, you know, feel free to talk in the chat as you see fit, feel free to have whatever conversation you want to have.
But when we're working on highlighting one survivor story, that's not the time to address another. If you want to share information with us or if you want to look out, please feel free.
Realjag77 I believegmail.com you can email us. The email is attract is attached to this channel. But when you go out of your way to detract from someone else's story, you have to ask yourself if you can't show respect for someone else's journey, why would you expect for anyone to show respect to yours?
So yeah, that's all. All right, guys.
Peace and have a great safe close of your Memorial Days.
Or should I say day?
Yeah. Bye.
Where are you?
Heat. Heat.
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