Rangkuman Konflik AS-Iran: Debat Panas soal Perang Iran, Misi Khusus Trump & Putin soal Nuklir Iran

追加: 2026-04-30

[00:00:00]You said we will give them no quarter, no mercy. In order for no quarter or no survivors is a war crime under the G Geneva Conventions. You understand that's murder. Do you stand by that statement?

[00:00:12]>> Um the Department of War fights to win and we ensure that our war fighters have the rules of engagement necessary to be as effective. You call Democratic members of Congress to be tried for sedition for reminding our troops to follow law. But when you tell them to commit a war crime, you stand by yourself >> for insinuating the laws that we're giving them are >> Mr. Hexth, I stand by what I said last time you were here. You were incompetent then, you're incompetent now, and you're the gift that keeps on giving when it comes to incompetence.

[00:00:41]>> Uh, any moves we make with general officers, first of all, I thank them for their service. Uh, and ultimately, >> my impression is you thanked him by a text or a phone call. You didn't even do it to his face.

[00:00:53]Out of respect for these officers, we never talk about the nature of their removal, but every one of them, including myself, knows that they serve at the pleasure of the president.

[00:01:01]>> Ultimately, out of respect to these officers, we don't reveal it. However, I will note it's very difficult to change the culture of a department that was been destroyed by the wrong perspectives destroyed a culture.

[00:01:13]>> There are many we've we've gotten rid of many general officers in this administration because we need new leaders. You have no way of explaining why you fired one of the most decorated and remarkable men who needed >> and so your answer is a very immature way of responding to my my request.

[00:01:29]>> The issue in front of this is whether the decision to remove General Randy George strengthened the army or created an avoidable disruption during an active operational period. General George, who also served as commanding general at First Corps at JBLM, has been serving for four decades, including multiple command and operational leadership roles, culminating as chief of staff of the Army, responsible for readiness, force modernization, and the welfare of over a million soldiers and civilians.

[00:01:57]He was removed in the middle of an active conflict involving US operations against Iran when leadership continuity is most critical. Look, reporting indicates that General George's removal may have followed disagreements over Army personnel matters, including concerns regarding withheld promotions.

[00:02:15]So my question, Secretary, is this. What specific national security risk, mission risk, or leadership concern did General George present that justified removing him in the middle of a conflict? Or was he removed because he challenged some decisions? And I guess my question is, is this about loyalty to Trump or is it about what's good for the mission?

[00:02:37]I understand what you're implying, but it's about the Constitution and our military and its ability to execute. And I'm going to make sure the president has the finest officers across the force prepared to deliver.

[00:02:48]>> So, this committee funds weapons readiness, recruiting, professional development, and leadership pipelines.

[00:02:54]But no amount of money can compensate for a force that may lose trust in the fairness of investment. And this is fairness. We believe in merit. We have always had a merit-based system. That's not the argument. No, we have not. Not under the B administration. We did not.

[00:03:06]It became social engineering, not merit.

[00:03:08]And we're fixing it. Quick. No, it did not. It did not.

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[00:04:53]Sir, you you spoke to Vladimir Putin not too long ago. Did you talk to him about today?

[00:04:57]>> Did you talk to him about the progress in the space area? And what else did you talk about?

[00:05:02]>> I didn't talk about space. No, I talked about Ukraine and I talked a little bit about uh Iran. I talked about a few different subjects, mostly about Ukraine and we had a very good conversation. I think we're going to come up with a solution relatively quickly. I hope.

[00:05:20]>> What was he want?

[00:05:20]>> I think he'd like to see a solution. I can tell you. And that's good.

[00:05:24]>> What involvement does he want to have in the Iran situation?

[00:05:29]U he told me he'd like to be involved with the enrichment if we if he can help us get it. I said, I'd much rather have you be involved with ending the war with Ukraine. To me, that would be more important because we've we've going to we're going to have that. Look, uh we we're not going to let Iran have a nuclear weapon. And we've knocked out their navy. We've knocked out their air force. We've knocked out their anti-aircraft.

[00:05:55]everything, apparatus, everything. They have their radar. They have very little left. And they have some missiles, a small percentage. They have a small percentage of missile making facilities.

[00:06:07]We knocked out about 80% of them. The rest could come very quickly if we don't make a deal. U they're not going to have a nuclear weapon. They know it and just about everybody else does. And so we talked about that a little bit. He doesn't want to see them have a nuclear weapon either. But I had a long talk with President Putin. I suggested a little bit of a ceasefire and I think he might do that. He might announce something having to do with that. Did he announce it yet?

[00:06:33]>> No, but I I was wondering. I was just going to ask.

[00:06:35]>> No, I asked him about even if it's a little ceasefire. There's so many people being killed. It's so ridiculous.

[00:06:42]>> Do you think the war in Iran ends first or the war in Ukraine?

[00:06:46]>> Well, we talked about more about the war in Ukraine, but he would like to be of of help. I said, "Before you help me, I want to end your war." So, we had a good talk. I've known him a long time. I think he was ready to make a deal a while ago. I think some people made it difficult for him to make a deal, but we talk more about Ukraine.

[00:07:06]>> But which war do you think ends first?

[00:07:09]>> Um, that's an interesting question. You know, coming from you, that's very interesting. Which war would end first?

[00:07:15]I don't know. Maybe they're on a similar timetable. I think Ukraine militarily they're defeated. Okay, mil, you wouldn't know that by reading the fake news, but militarily, look, they're Navy. So, they had 159 ships. Every ship is right now underwater. Typically, that's pretty good. What do you think, Jared? I mean, >> it's going to be hard for them to make a naval comeback. Okay. Now, they have an air force. Every one of their planes has been shot down or has been decimated.

[00:07:45]They have missiles. About 82% are gone.

[00:07:49]And they have drones and most of them are gone. Most of the factories are mostly gone. And we have tremendous anti- drone equipment now between lasers and that new very special machine gun that knocks them out of the air like flies. And we use bullets instead of million dollar, you know, knock out $30,000.

[00:08:12]So I would say Jared would tell me that everything and their economy is crashing their money.

[00:08:26]>> They go with their money. They don't have it. Their money is valueless.

[00:08:32]>> They've got inflation that nobody's ever seen before.

[00:08:36]>> I think they're doing quite well. If you read the New York Times, you would say you'd say they're doing wonderfully because it's fake news. Or if you watch CNN, I mean, you cover it all the time.

[00:08:45]You think they're doing well. Do you think they're doing well where they have no navy, no air force, no anti-aircraft apparatus other than what they may have put there? They may have brought in some light stuff during the ceasefire. And we know exactly where it is, so it'll be knocked out within the first 15 minutes.

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[00:13:50]Fore this is a collective responsibility. I think all of us all the countries in the region have been working in this area as you know for many decades and aware of the so it is um to to point like this country and say that this country A or country B is the most dangerous country in the world I don't think it's appropriate I think what is appropriate is to say that we all need to um uphold the non-prololiferation treaty we need to work for a world with less nuclear weapons we need to uphold international law in every circumstance. You refer to the situation of the nuclear program in Iran and the different facilities is Fahan being one of those. is a big compound that includes a number of different facilities related to the nuclear fuel cycle, uranium processing, uran uranium conversion uh and other uh important um uh activities um uh which were subject to attacks in the during the 12th day war as you yourself uh have mentioned. What I think you are referring to is a a an enrichment facility which Iran announced just a few days before the attacks. They indicated to us that they they had a new uh facility to declare and we immediately requested access to it which was granted actually and paradoxically access was going to take place on June 13th on the day the attacks commenced. So we were not in a position to visit this place.

[00:15:51]So we could not say at this point whether this uh place was simply an empty hole or a or a place where already cascades and centrifuges were being um placed for operation. In any case it wouldn't be the first. As you know we have enrichment in Natans. We have enrichment in fordo. So this would have been yet another one. We were not able to to visit it. I hope when the inspectors return we can uh do uh the inspection work that is required. Obviously uh a war any war but in particular a war that um has been predicated on the possibility of uh one country developing nuclear weapons and then the review conference of the NPT coming uh almost immediately or or or very close to to that um constitutes the challenge because of course there are sites in a war uh and and people obviously uh do not see eye to eye on on why it happened and whether uh there was any justification for for that uh or not.

[00:17:03]Indeed, as in the case of of of Iran, there is uh there is a process um which is activated um you know um quite quite frequently between the United States and and uh uh Russia and and Ukraine. Um and in this process as you know one of the key issues is the issue of the uh nuclear power plant there. Uh it is often listed and I think rightly so together with the territorial issues as one of the most um pressing matters and matters that are more difficult to um uh to resolve. So it's something I'm I'm discussing all the time with them. Our main precupation is the safety of the facility and and and and to avoid a nuclear accident. My impression is that the final um uh picture will pretty much depend on this negotiations that as you know the IIA supports the negotiation.

[00:18:07]It's not a party to the uh to the negotiation. The most important thing at the moment uh is to uh ensure that there is no accident. It's not an easy task. I can assure you. Uh we are at the moment negotiating the sixth uh ceasefire.

[00:18:26]We were able to achieve five already and the six is necessary now to conduct some indispensable repairs on the external power lines that feed the the nuclear power plant uh there. So this is our main objective at at the moment.

[00:18:42]Obviously, one has to be has to apply common sense uh to the whole situation.

[00:18:47]There is there is no peace. There is only a ceasefire and there is probably this difficulty in accessing until my inspectors can go and verify that there is no access. We we cannot confirm that this is a situation. We are being told that this is the case. So there are lots of things we tried last year with the Kaido agreement to pave the way for a return of the inspectors there. But of course with a new war episode is this is still uh delayed. I am in contact separately with Iran and with the United States and we consult quite frequently.

[00:19:23]We know each other very very well. So we consult on occasion occasionally on on on verification issues on some technical matters but in terms of the formal process unlike the last time for now we haven't been invited to join but in any case as I was responding to the colleague here in the first row um you know the agreement will have to have a very robust inspection uh system so I I I I am sure that we will be involved at at the right at the right time. So is President Trump right when he say there was a bad deal means that you know because today Iran would through that deal will have been already at least well that's what he told us uh with a nuclear weapon but as I said just now answering to another question I am not uh uh party I'm not a part of the negotiation right now we have conversations with both sides So at some point there will be uh I suppose uh some involvement. It's up to the negotiators to to decide of course as to the past is the past. You know it's an opinion of the president. I wouldn't have a comment on his judgment about um about the JCPOA.