John Deaton is Back: Can He Actually Shake Up the Senate?

Added: 2026-05-12

[00:00:00]Hey everybody, welcome back to the show.

[00:00:01]My name is Mike Urban. I'm sitting with none other than Mr. John Deon. John is running for Senate and I'm excited to interview him and I think you guys are going to learn a lot from his history and what he stands for. So, John, appreciate it.

[00:00:15]>> Thank you for having me, Michael. I'm a big fan of yours.

[00:00:18]>> Thank you, brother. I you know, it it's one of those things where people come up to me and it's it's uh I'm always surprised at who watches the channel, including you. I just do what I do, you know. I really I I just do what I do and I like talking about the issues and I hope that you guys could solve them.

[00:00:35]That's the thing.

[00:00:37]>> That's that's the plan. You know, we got to first win.

[00:00:40]>> Yeah.

[00:00:40]>> And then uh get a seat at the table and then start actually effectuating policy in this state.

[00:00:45]>> Sure. So, you grew up in Detroit, correct?

[00:00:49]>> I I did a subsection called Highland Park, which is surrounded completely by Detroit. M >> um and um you know it's uh if you look it up um at one point it was considered one of the greatest it's it's one of these stories of American history that's kind of just sad and tragic.

[00:01:08]>> Henry Ford opened his first Model T plant in Highland Park. This subsection of Detroit had the first Sears and Robbuck uh headquarters the headquarters of Chrysler. um uh and uh that was in the 50s and all that, but by the time I was born, which was 1967, it it become pretty much uh destitute. Uh those plants had closed down >> and um it unfortunately ranks in the top worst neighborhoods in the country for the last 50 years.

[00:01:38]>> That's a sad story. So So you're saying that originally there was probably a lot of wealth in this town.

[00:01:44]>> Absolutely. and uh things were good and then they closed factories, they moved out and pretty much what happened is exactly what you explained. It just kind of went downhill.

[00:01:55]>> Yeah, absolutely. Uh I write about it in my book. You know, after they closed the plant in like the late 50s, >> by the late 60s uh and early 70s, you know, white flight had taken place outside of that neighborhood. It became predominantly a black neighborhood. um and uh impoverished, you know. Um my father was a deadbeat dad. He kind of not kind of abandoned us in that neighborhood. And so my mother, God bless her, was a single mother on welfare and food stamps, you know, at that time with five kids.

[00:02:30]>> Um trying to make it and uh it it I have some scars from it, you know.

[00:02:35]>> I'm sure you do. Yeah. Now it you have uh brothers and sisters, correct?

[00:02:40]>> I do. I have uh um total of five brothers and sisters, six of us. Uh I have two older brothers and an older sister. And so >> um I mean as I said in my acceptance speech, you know, I gave a few highlights of how difficult it was. Um >> 6 years old, I watched my mother get stabbed in a mugging. She >> they wanted her purse. It had our rent money. It had our grocery money. She said no. Uh mugger stabbed her in the back in front of me. M um she laid there bleeding out almost uh I was six. Um unfortunately 3 years later at 9:00 a child predator who should have never been on the street >> um began abusing me >> and um pretty brutally it and it bought my silence because um said if my mother anyone found out what he was doing to me >> Mhm.

[00:03:31]>> he'd kill her. Mhm.

[00:03:33]>> Now, you can imagine um my after seeing her almost bleed out >> at six, uh what that does to to a child's mind and it >> um so I endured it. Um my mother actually never knew about it. She died not knowing about the child rape and all that kind of stuff. Uh my siblings didn't know about it. Something I just buried Sure.

[00:03:54]>> uh inside me until I wrote about it in my book. Um >> my best friend Derek uh 17 years old. Um you know, it's funny. I can talk about getting raped and I don't get emotional.

[00:04:05]Yeah.

[00:04:05]>> I started talking about my friend 40 years ago. I started talking about Derek and I I uh I get emotional sometimes, but he died um shot four times >> in a driveby when I was 17. And my first day of high school uh had a gun shoved in my mouth. Uh bumped into a guy looking for class. Mhm.

[00:04:25]>> Um, Highland Park High School is like the first high school in the country that had metal detectors.

[00:04:30]>> Mhm.

[00:04:31]>> And next day, um, I was a high school dropout just like everyone. My brothers and sisters before me were high school dropouts. And the story I tell people about what drives me, you know, um, I was on Fox Business one time. They said, "John, what's one of your reasons for success? Uh, why you overcome all this?"

[00:04:51]And I said, "My hatred of poverty drove me." Um, I couldn't find a high school.

[00:04:56]You know, people got to understand this is pre Google year, you know. Um, I couldn't find a high school to go to and obviously we're poor and my mother caught me crying, devastated. It's like 4 months of being out of school. And she said, "Why are you so upset?" And I said, "Mom, I've got to go to high school to go to college."

[00:05:17]>> And she said, "Well, just do what your brother did. Um, work till you're 17.

[00:05:22]I'll sign the papers. you join the military.

[00:05:24]>> That was our ticket out of the hood.

[00:05:27]>> And I said, "Mom, I don't want to do that. I want to go to college. I have to graduate high school." And my mother, God bless her, strongest person I know, my hero, put her arms around me to console me and told me, "I'm sorry, son.

[00:05:39]College just isn't for people like us."

[00:05:42]>> That's what poverty does. It's someone as beautiful and strong as my mom uh stripped her of her self-esteem. that um that we were like some subclass human, right? We were like this white trash from the hood that just college wasn't in our future. It wasn't meant for people like us. And so >> um I remember that day like it was yesterday cuz it just did something to me. It it impacted me um at my core. And >> uh and I got lucky um a high school principal and St. Mary's of Royal Oak Royal Oak.

[00:06:17]>> Mhm. about, you know, eight miles out of the hood, public transportation.

[00:06:22]>> And um I sat with him and he agreed to cut the tuition in half from 1,400 a year uh in this 1981.

[00:06:33]>> Yes. Sure.

[00:06:33]>> To 700. um if I played two sports, maintained a high GPA and was active in the church and um got got a job washing dishes after football practice and >> paid my way through high school and then college and and um took a couple years off after graduating college and >> cuz I wanted to come to Boston and so I drove a forklift uh during the day, waited tables at night and then came to Boston and I'll be honest, I had no connection ction Massachusetts until that point except for one thing.

[00:07:08]>> I was the biggest Larry Bird fan that there ever was. Um and so >> got to Boston um and I my true story and I'm still friends with them today, Jose and Miguel, >> uh security guards at New England School of Law. And uh but I was on a tight budget and so I go to them and I said, "Listen guys, I don't know anything about Boston. Where do you recommend a guy that looks like me not live?

[00:07:35]>> And uh Miguel Jose said thought about it and they said, "Well, you probably should stay out of Roxberry."

[00:07:41]>> And my next question was, "How do I get to Roxberry, right?" And so that's where I lived and follow some cheap rent. And >> yeah, >> uh graduated from New England School of Law uh three years later.

[00:07:52]>> You know, it's stories like yours. I I I I always like hearing about, you know, people's history, their experiences to really see what drives them. And I I think I find that most interesting because I feel like different people that live different experiences, uh, they give back to certain things that they decide to get involved in. And I I I I feel like that's why, you know, I'm happy to be sitting here with you because I feel like you're one of those people that has had these experience, good, bad, a mix of the two. And you decided to go above what the status quo was at that time. And you did your own thing. You paid your way through high school. You went to college. You got your law degree. And then you start you eventually started your own law firm.

[00:08:37]Correct.

[00:08:38]>> Yeah. Um, I uh ended up, it's ironic, you know, cuz I when my mother brought up going in the military, you know, as a to bypass high school, >> I was like, I don't want to do that. Um, when I was in the Marine Corps, I mean, at New England School of Law, I I realized like I'm going to achieve the American dream. Like, it's it's going to be tougher than I thought. Probably I knew that it maybe take me longer to get out of debt and all that, but um >> um I really am the American dream. And so I wanted to to serve and my personality is you know the Marine Corps is the toughest. So um that was the only branch for me to be honest. And so I joined the Marine Corps in between >> Oh second third year law school.

[00:09:21]>> And so I was a lawyer first >> in the Marine Corps judge advocate. Um uh which is also ironic because in 1992 the movie A Few Good Men came out with Tom Cruz and Kevin Bacon, Jack Nicholson. So everyone wanted to be a JAG lawyer, right? Um uh and so it was pretty competitive. And something I'm really proud of is that um I tell everybody I wasn't smart enough to get into Harvard. I certainly couldn't afford Harvard Law, but I beat out Harvard Law students, BC students, BC Law, BEu Law, SuffK Law, Northeastern Law. Uh cuz the Marine Corps only gave one contract for the judge advocate >> slot and uh it was pretty competitive.

[00:10:09]Uh each school competed and I beat all those other students. So the Marine Corps chose me to represent the Commonwealth for the 1994 Judge Advocate Yeah.

[00:10:18]>> law contract. And so I was a judge advocate for 7 years in the Marine Corps as a lawyer.

[00:10:24]>> Um after 7 years I got out and then became uh a practicing attorney, opened my own law firm.

[00:10:32]>> And your law firm does personal injury, correct?

[00:10:34]>> Yeah, it's real specialized. I've been representing um uh working families against uh multi-billion dollar insurance companies and corporations, people who get meloma and lung cancer.

[00:10:48]I've represented electricians.

[00:10:50]>> Uh I've represented sheet rockers, auto mechanics, shipyard workers, insulators, anybody who exposed to asbestous uh who got cancer from it. And uh I've I mean I've done a few other things, other product liability, but 90% of my practice has been focused as a meaththeloma lung cancer uh lawyer here in Massachusetts and Rhode Island and Connecticut and New York um for about 30 years. And and that's something that uh I take pride in because um I've sat at the the table of you know whether it's a a turban tech guy who worked at Sandwich Power Plant >> you know I've sat at their table and and um I've gotten to know the working class working families across the Commonwealth as a lawyer >> and representative fought for them in court and now I I think I understand what they need to fight for them in the Senate. So, your Senate race, we have Ed Marky and we have Seth Molton.

[00:11:51]>> You've challenged them to a three-way debate. Has anybody accepted this debate?

[00:11:57]>> Seth did. Uh Seth did. Uh he he um I challenged both of them and then he responded that he would agree on one condition that I didn't insist. If if Ed Marky chose to sit it out, I'd still debate him. And >> I'll debate Seth any day, any place, anywhere. I'll debate Marky. Um, and I think it's healthy for um I would love to for us to go across the count >> and let's do town halls. Let's answer questions. Let's give the people of Massachusetts a real look. You know, do I think Ed Marque is going to agree?

[00:12:31]Probably not. We haven't heard from his camp yet. So, um I would expect sometime soon we'll be announcing um a couple debates between me and and Seth and hopefully Ed will show up. Maybe the poll that showed um that just came out I think yesterday that showed uh it a little bit closer >> uh between him and uh Seth and Marky um might make him feel like he needs to debate. I don't know.

[00:12:57]>> Right. Right. Right. Yeah.

[00:12:58]>> We'll see.

[00:12:59]>> Well, he's a little bit MIA sometimes.

[00:13:01]>> Uh yeah. I I mean uh uh I don't know if he could find Brockton with the GPS, you know, or any other city here.

[00:13:11]>> Yeah. The uh So, what what made you want to get to this point? Obviously, you've had your experiences as a as a kid, you know, you had your experiences in school, the military, and obviously representing people with, you know, metheloma. I actually, my father-in-law's best friend, uh passed away from that. he was a plumber. Uh, you know, it affects a lot of the trades obviously. It's it's it's really bad.

[00:13:38]So, I've seen, you know, not necessarily directly, but indirectly of what it caused, right? And it's sad. It's really sad. So, what are you bringing to the What do you Let's ask you this question.

[00:13:50]This is This is a good one.

[00:13:53]>> What's your number If you were to get in, what's your number one thing? What What if you had one thing that you could do while you're there, what would it be?

[00:14:01]And what would your focus be?

[00:14:02]>> If you only limit it to one thing, I'd have to say it would be my Deon Washington Clean Hands Act.

[00:14:08]>> Okay.

[00:14:09]>> Um, which is cleaning up the the corruption uh and the grift that we're seeing in Washington. Um, if you limit it to one thing. Now, that act is multi- >> Yeah. Sure.

[00:14:20]>> act. You know, it seeks term limits obviously. Um, it seeks um singleisssue bills instead of these 1,000page bills that >> Yeah. where they throw things Ukraine funding and Taiwan with social security and education and like and veterans. How about just >> each bill should be five to 10 pages.

[00:14:41]Yes.

[00:14:42]>> And um it should have one issue. It would eliminate um um insider trading uh whether it's crypto, whether it's stocks, it would end regulatory capture.

[00:14:54]What I mean by that is right now we have people who are the the chairman of the FDA >> Mhm.

[00:15:02]>> on Friday and they resign and on Monday they're Fiser's board >> or they're in charge of the security exchange commission and they resign and now they're on like the biggest Apollo group board or it's just it is so incestuous and so captured. Um, and so a statutory bar that stops that. You shouldn't go to to Washington and be a lobbyist. I mean, be a congressman for two years and then turn into a professional lobbyist.

[00:15:29]>> Uh, there should be a ban to to stop that from happening. If you don't pass the budget, you don't get paid. If you shut down the government, you don't get paid. So if it was limited to one thing, it'd probably be that because I think a lot of our corruption and the conflicts of interest and all that. Obviously, I would love um I have energy plan uh for Massachusetts, housing plan.

[00:15:55]>> Uh I got a plan to reform student loans.

[00:15:57]I got so many things um that ideas, fresh ideas that uh I think are are necessary. Yeah. I mean, if if you're if the real reason is like, John, why are you doing this? I'll tell you, um, when you live the life I've lived, um, you don't want to be one of the last people of a generation that was in born into extreme poverty and made it, >> right? When you see young people, their future, their prosperity has been stolen by these career politicians.

[00:16:38]>> And I mean Mitch McConnell, I don't care. He's a Republican. He's part of the problem. Chuck Schumer, part of the problem. Ed Marky, part of the problem.

[00:16:48]Nancy Pelosi, part of the problem. These career politicians who have went in Washington, they they've been subject to this grift. They've they've made themselves multi-millionaires.

[00:16:59]They've debased our currency to the point where inflation is so bad. I mean, it's why I said on my announcements, uh, people in their 20s and 30s are working two jobs, but it's not what the way I did it, right? When I work two jobs, I'm I'm saving for my house.

[00:17:18]>> I'm or I'm saving to build my retirement or I'm want to make a really nice vacation, right? So, I'm putting in some extra time. They're doing it just just to survive. Yes, >> just to pay the bills and they're still having to choose between medicine and groceries sometimes.

[00:17:35]>> That's not the America I believe in. Uh and it's the first time that my daughters I have a 25 now 26, 24, and seven.

[00:17:45]>> All right. And I got a stepson 17, a stepdaughter 14. Um, this is the first time in my life that my children, my stepkids are not guaranteed to have a better life than me >> if they're willing to work for it. Um, that's the reverse of the American dream. Uh, you're seeing parents who paid their house off taking a down a home equity loan to give their kids for a down payment for their kids to be able to try to afford a house. M >> that's the reverse of the American dream. Supposed to be the other way around, right? You know, and um and so it's a sincere thought. It is sad to think, wow, could um could a kid born the way I was born um in Brockton, in Roxberry, wherever, could he or she do what I did today >> if they're willing to work as hard as I did? And I don't know if they could. and and and so I before I die, I want to be able to say I didn't just help myself and my family. Um I want to be able to say that like I I made it or at least I tried to make it a path for other people, too.

[00:18:59]>> It's it's about the bigger picture, right? And I think that a lot of people that, you know, maybe they're a little bit younger, maybe they're still in school, maybe they don't have a job or a career yet, maybe they don't have a family or kids. Once you get to that point, I feel like a lot of people's opinions change once they have responsibilities, right? And especially I if it's in regards to children and I could almost mimic what you're saying where it's like, you know, I think about my kids' future like I could have been fine just doing what I was doing and and and all of a sudden you think to yourself, you know, you're making moves here, you're making moves there. But the fact remains is you want to leave the world a better place than what you grew up with. and the way that it's trending now. And that's one of the things that I, you know, try to talk about a little bit on my channel is like you want to leave it to be a better place for your own kids and their kids and you don't want them moving halfway across the country from you because they can't afford to live in the town that they grew up in. And I I see a lot of that happening, especially here in Massachusetts where things are have just become just so unaffordable. One of the things that you want to change that you just mentioned is is housing. And I think one of your plans and I'm not trying to put words in your mouth is you want to use uh public or federal land correct in order to generate more housing. One of the biggest not obviously I am in real estate. It's a funny dynamic that happens here because people on one hand will complain about a housing crisis specifically single family homes and multifamilies because a lot of investors are scooping them up.

[00:20:30]You know there not a lot available both single family and multif family. But on the other hand, these people also don't want more h homes in their neighborhoods, right? So, it's a really hard dynamic here to try to figure out.

[00:20:43]But if you're using public or federal land, that would open up a little bit more opportunities to to create, let's say, more subdivisions or more neighborhoods outside of these areas.

[00:20:53]Correct?

[00:20:54]>> 100%. Um, and um, you know, I'm talking about both federal, you know, old military bases and things of that nature and and stateowned as well. Um, and that you you then go and incentivize builders >> to build affordable housing. Obviously, we need to cut the red tape. We got to reform some zoning laws and and get rid of these ridiculous mandates.

[00:21:20]>> Yes.

[00:21:20]>> Um, >> stretch codes. if you do that, listen, I talked to an affordable housing builder in New Bedford and they won't build.

[00:21:28]>> And and I said, "Well, why?" He's like, "Uh, and we're talking section 8 for for poor people, right?"

[00:21:34]>> He said, "Uh, because we can't tap into natural gas.

[00:21:37]>> It has to be electric."

[00:21:39]>> And he goes, "And you can't charge enough rent, >> right, >> to to cover the electric bill, so we just won't build."

[00:21:45]>> Like, that's nonsense. It is. It's absolute nonsense. And then you look at someone and if it makes me angry. One of my challenges against that market is to not come off too angry. Yeah. Right. So that >> It's hard not to be though.

[00:21:57]>> No, it it's very hard not to because I'm sitting here saying, "Okay, so you're the co-author of the Green New Deal and you won't consider nuclear energy.

[00:22:05]>> Is it because and I don't mean to be mean, but is it because you're still in the 80s when Chernobyl happened?"

[00:22:11]>> Right.

[00:22:12]>> Because you know the technology's improved, it's evolved. Um and and we could put four small modular reactors across the Commonwealth and it would power 40% of our 2.9 million homes.

[00:22:25]>> Mhm.

[00:22:25]>> Here, residential homes. Way cheaper.

[00:22:28]And it's carbon free, 97% efficient 24/7.

[00:22:32]>> Mhm.

[00:22:33]>> They won't even consider it. They want to talk about offshore wind.

[00:22:35]>> I know.

[00:22:36]>> And and you know, and and you talk and and I I'm I'm good with solar. Guess which one of us has solar panels on our house? Me or Ed Marky?

[00:22:44]>> You? Of course. Right. The guy that preaches about everybody lowering their their carbon footprint in businesses hasn't taken one step himself. Now, I do it and they're nice, but guess what?

[00:22:54]They don't work 3 ft of snow.

[00:22:56]>> Right. Right. Right.

[00:22:57]>> And and it's pitch dark at 400 p.m. in January. And so, um um but yeah, we can expand certain solar things, but um this idea that they won't even consider it and they're pushing these special projects, it's just nonsense. Um and and his plans actually ex keep us on fossil fuels longer in the long term anyways.

[00:23:20]And it's it's just theater and people are really really hurting. And it is hard not to be angry if I was in my 25 if I was my daughter's age.

[00:23:31]>> Mhm.

[00:23:31]>> Like I'd be so pissed off uh at at these career politicians. I mean they're running $2 trillion deficits. They just hit the print button and this magic money appears and devalues our dollars more and more every day. And something's got to change. And the only thing I could think of is to to to make a difference is to try to offer an option of someone like me. I don't have loyalty to a person or a party. I just loyalty to people. Like my whole theme is people over politics.

[00:24:02]>> Um there's nothing when you learn my life, there's nothing they can buy me with. I'm not interested in power. Um, you know, money's not going to do it for me. I don't I don't care enough about money. You know, if they're going to say, "Oh, here, >> you know, you can >> sure >> get this much more money in your life."

[00:24:19]That's not going to buy me off. And so, >> um, I just think we need people like that. You know what I mean?

[00:24:25]>> I think so, too. I I I think that and that's one of my criticisms uh and why I don't like talking about you know a lot of stuff on the federal government side is like especially in Congress is there's people there that they know the idea is bad but they won't tiptoe across party lines like look at John Federman for example right I I feel like he's a perfect example where you know you look at some things right you you pull the data on some some issues or some items and it could be completely backwards and they want one party to agree with everybody and if you even question or challenge, you know, what they're trying to do, you get ousted, right? That needs to change, right? Because you could really have like another good example is the auditor, right? I'm I'm I'm a Republican. The auditor is a Democrat.

[00:25:10]We may disagree on 75% of the issues, but we agree on the important issues, right? Like, you don't need to that.

[00:25:21]That's one of the things. And I I I see the same thing, and you could correct me if I'm wrong, but I see the same dynamic that kind of happens in Congress, almost happens here in Massachusetts, where you very rarely will have somebody like the auditor, for instance, that'll kind of tiptoe uh you know, and and rally up people on both sides of the spectrum to try to get something that's generally everybody would support. And there's people in her party that are probably mad at her for this, right?

[00:25:48]>> There's no doubt about it. I just feel like that only moves us backwards. It doesn't move us forward. Right.

[00:25:54]>> Of course not.

[00:25:55]>> And I I find it to be that's why I don't like a a lot of the stuff that happens federally because I look at what they're doing and I'm like this is crazy.

[00:26:02]>> I mean, here's the thing is it's like um if you look at Seth and Marky's whole thing is their whole reason to vote for them is that they'll fight Trump.

[00:26:11]>> Yep.

[00:26:12]>> Well, he won't be president in three years. It's a six-year term. So your entire message to everyone in the Commonwealth is you'll fight against someone for three years. The other three years we just what? You're just going to sit in your office. We need to offer a plan for people. It if you're actually doing your job as a United States senator, it really shouldn't matter who the president is. And and I mean that.

[00:26:35]So you if you apply one test, Mike, is it good for Massachusetts in America? It is. Call it progressive. I don't I don't give a [ __ ] you know, like I really don't care, right? I'll vote for it, right? Call it conservative. I'll vote for it. If it's not good for Massachusetts America, I'll fight it and I won't support it. If you just employ that test, then you you can reach I think those compromises that need to be reached. I don't know when compromise became such a bad word, you know, um because there really the only bipartisan on that ship that I see in Washington is corruption.

[00:27:12]>> Mhm. A and I mean that sincerely. And if you bring up the audit, um there's only one reason in my opinion to fight the audit this hard. It's because it's corruption. We're going to see SNAP fraud. We're going to see no bid contracts to to friends and donors.

[00:27:29]We're going to see, you know, nonsense.

[00:27:31]Uh that shouldn't happen. And >> and it's unfortunate that we've gotten to that point. But hopefully the people in Massachusetts are ready for someone who just wants to represent them and and not represent a party or a person or an agenda. You know, >> I agree with that. And the problem is when a lot of people, this is what I've seen, people will go in with good intentions and then once they're in, they just, you know, they become beholden to the speaker or or or they they become beholden to their stipens.

[00:28:05]They become they have big ideas and then they get in and then all of a sudden you don't hear from them again and they're done for basically they just become another career politician. They stay in line. All of the ideas that they had uh are basically squashed. And I think that there's so much there's so many activists and nonprofits and there's NOS's and all of these things that are happening behind the scenes that are really providing so much influence in these people that they just fall for it, right? because they want the money, they want the power, they want this, they want that, and then absolutely nothing gets done. And the people that suffer are the people inside of the Commonwealth that are outside of politics. And then they're left wondering what the hell is going on. I'm trying to decide between, you know, paying my electric bill or buying groceries for my family. And I get these calls all the time. You know what happens to me? I'll be honest with you.

[00:28:51]The politician, this is what happens.

[00:28:53]This is the trajectory of somebody that's uh your your regular Massachusetts citizen. They will call their state rep. They'll call whoever it is. They'll email them, they'll do whatever and then they call me. You know what I'm saying? Like like so be because they're looking for some kind of connection or an answer to what is actually happening and what they could do. But the fact remains is the people that are making decisions on behalf of them, they don't want to answer to the people. That's a problem in my opinion and that needs to be changed and that needs to be cleaned up because Massachusetts needs to be good for everybody. It doesn't just need to be good for a certain select people. That's what I see happening. Would you agree? I agree 100% and and that's why I said if you force me on that first question of of one thing it it attacked the corruption. I mean how how are these people saying that their first year just before they go into office their net worth is minus 50,000 >> right and then five six seven years later they're worth 20 million >> or less.

[00:29:55]>> Like it's right it's like how is that possible? like it can't be done. It can't it can't be done unless there's these NOS's, you know, and and I asked this about Marquy. Why would an 80-year-old guy >> just let's be blunt. Why would someone 80 years old who has been there in elected office for 53 years when you count as state rep, right? 53 years. Why would you want to still be in Washington a half century later? Is because you get addicted to the lifestyle and you get addicted to the swamp. His wife has worked for NOS's for 30 years.

[00:30:30]>> You know, he's I I just learned this about Ed. I was I asked myself, why does this guy talk about the ice cream truck?

[00:30:37]Honestly, I know it sounds funny, but I was curious like why does he talk about the ice cream truck? And I realized that >> he um ran while he was at law school, got elected, >> right? Passed the bar and six weeks after passing the bar became her. He's never had a job other than driving that ice cream truck for 53 years. So that's the only thing he has.

[00:31:03]>> Um and uh that's insane because you what you're never going to worry about housing when you're federally subsidized. Right. When you have a federal pension that's guaranteed for life, you're not worried about the things that other people are worried about. Correct. When you've never cut a payroll check in your life, >> right? Mhm.

[00:31:23]>> Um, you don't understand what it's like to be a small business and and understand how these regulations can can impact you and how difficult it is to have a business here in Massachusetts.

[00:31:34]You're just never going to be able to relate to those people. And so, uh, I try to tell everyone, it's not about right versus left, uh, Republican versus Democrat. The the enemy are career politicians on both sides. uh if you've been in office for a couple decades, vote the bums out. I mean, it's my approach, you know, and that applies against Republicans, too, as far as I'm concerned.

[00:31:57]>> I I agree. I mean, you're going to have I talk about that often. Sometimes when I'm giving a comparison, I normally say this more than likely happens on both sides of the aisle. Uh I'm sure people maybe don't like hearing that, but a lot of times people don't like hearing the truth, right? They they they kind of want to put the blinders on. They want kind of want to buy uh be naive about these things. But it wouldn't be fair for me to just, you know, uh, not talk about it in a genuine way. And that's what I try to, that's essentially what I try to do. Here's another question for you. So, you mentioned, uh, energy briefly, and obviously Marky was a co-author of the Green New Deal, right?

[00:32:36]>> I here's the thing. Healey has come out, and I'm not trying to make this a governor thing, but you know where this is going. So Healey has come out multiple times and she said, "Oh, we're looking into this. We're looking into that." Well, show us proof you're looking into something, right? Like I feel like a lot of people will talk about uh let's say the small uh modular reactors, but you don't get any kind of you don't get any kind of study or data or like there's been nothing nobody's talked about it since then. Have you looked into doing a has there been any studies you commissioned or anything like that?

[00:33:08]>> I mean that I have.

[00:33:09]>> Yeah. Like that you've looked into.

[00:33:10]Well, I know Mass Fiscal did an analysis showing that if we go nuclear is one of our things, the amount of the savings is is off the charts.

[00:33:20]>> Correct.

[00:33:21]>> We're we're talking $5,000 a year.

[00:33:25]>> Mhm.

[00:33:25]>> At the minimum range and up to 9,000 per household uh if we go nuclear uh as one of the our and obviously using natural gas as a bridge as well. And so there's studies out there that prove the point like my hypothesis when I said to you uh it's not a hypothesis actually but when I when I said that we could power 40% of the 2.9 million residential homes substantially cheaper it's based on those kind of reports and analysis. I mean Healey is saying those things because we're an election year. Yes.

[00:34:02]>> Healey is saying that we're not a sanctuary state because we're an election year. Right. 65% of the voters are are independent unenrolled voters here. Um she went and got booed at the Red Sox game and all of that. Um so she knows that um she has to appear more to central and and not so radical left. Um um but you know if she's reelected it'll be back to status quo every offshore win. There'll be no commission. There'll be no nuclear. Um they celebrated shutting down any nuclear and and it's it's just unfortunate because um and energy is such a big deal to me because when you look at these offshore wind projects and you you look at their alternative energy measures, it's a lot of grift to special interest and then you can tie it to donors and all that.

[00:34:59]You can follow the money and you see why they're pushing it.

[00:35:04]I don't think they really care. I mean, I'm serious. I I don't know if they're ignorant that people are struggling to the point they are, but I'm sitting with people and um we're talking about they're tr truly choosing. They're like rationing their their diabetes medicine >> in order to afford their groceries.

[00:35:27]That's just uncalled for.

[00:35:28]>> It's sad.

[00:35:29]>> And and it's tragic. and and and and so and then you you see someone like Healey say, "Well, we're going to let you know the Shoba Valley Medical Hospital close down in in in air." Um we're going to let Carney Hospital close in Dorchester.

[00:35:49]We're going to let the maternity war in Lemonster close. There's nothing we could do. We got $8 billion rainy day fund, >> but you know, we're not Right. Yeah. Uh, and we got four billion dollars for the illegals over here, but we got nothing for you. Uh, so all those patients in Dorchester and central Mass, I mean, there's uh, if you're a pregnant woman in certain parts of central, North Central Mass, you got to drive 45 minutes to give birth.

[00:36:15]>> Mhm.

[00:36:15]>> How's that for protecting healthcare?

[00:36:17]How's that for protecting women?

[00:36:18]>> Right.

[00:36:19]>> Uh, it's not. And and so that's the stuff that that really angers me. And um uh we just need we just need new leadership. Bad this election year is so important.

[00:36:31]>> I uh you can't get any worse than it is here. And when I gave my announcement, that's why I made the point of like one party rules to blame. It it's it's not because of COVID. It's not because of an accident or bad luck. And it's not just because of who's in the White House, >> you know, because Tennessee, Florida, >> um, >> North Carolina, >> North Carolina, New Hampshire, Y, >> um, Texas, >> Yep.

[00:37:00]>> they're all thriving.

[00:37:01]>> Correct.

[00:37:02]>> And so >> that's not an anomaly. It'd be an anomaly if one state was thriving. But when you have multiple states that are thriving and then when you see where the majority of the population is coming from into those states, which is a lot of Massachusetts, you think to yourself, something's going on in Massachusetts, right?

[00:37:19]>> Yeah. If we if we lead the nation in people leaving, >> if we are dead last in housing affordability, if we have the most expensive state for child care, which we are, if we're the most expensive state for electricity in the continental United States, which we are, um, if we have 1.1 million people in food stamps, which is 16% of our population, soon to be one out of five people going to be on food stamps here. Um, and then you think we have Harvard, MIT, we have the best hospitals, biotech. You just you scratch your head.

[00:37:51]>> It doesn't make any sense.

[00:37:52]>> You scratch your head and like this is actually difficult to do. Like how bad do you got to be to take a state with like Massachusetts, right, with all of this brain power, with all of this tech and put us with those stats? Uh and and so that's why I think this whole election um thing is is so so important. Um and you know I know some you know the governor's race might not they might not like my point but when I said that I do believe my race to be the most important right and I'm sure Mike Mog and uh might might we might want to jab each other right at at which one they're both all important.

[00:38:38]>> Sure. But one-third of our budget minimum comes from federal funds. And as a US senator, I can operate outside that super majority on be hill. And I can fight for nuclear credits so that we can get nuclear projects right here. Um those tax credits. I can fight for funds to come back here, healthcare.

[00:38:58]>> Uh these are our tax dollars anyways from Massachusetts that went to the federal government. You need an advocate to get those federal funds back. And we don't have advocates. We don't even have advocates when their party's in power.

[00:39:11]>> Mhm.

[00:39:12]>> You know, uh because you take things like the infrastructure bill that had like $110 billion for bridges, none of it was allocated to the Cape Cod bridges. Yeah.

[00:39:24]>> You know what I mean? So even when their guys in office Yeah.

[00:39:27]>> they don't advocate. And certainly if they're going their entire um policy to a reason to vote for them is they'll they'll fight against the current administration. Well, you know, you're not going to get anything for Massachusetts. Yeah.

[00:39:41]>> Because all you are antagonistic, >> right?

[00:39:43]>> So, uh hopefully uh people agree with that and will >> say, you know what, we're going to we're going to we're going to >> we're going to give this new guy a chance. He's got some ideas. Let's see if he can get those ideas implemented.

[00:39:56]>> So So you're right, though. So what happens is this is what I see. I I don't care uh what side of the aisle that you're on or the president is on or something like that. You you you have to put your ideology aside and what you need to do is you need to prioritize the people that you represent. So as you just said, even if you know Marky is in there and let's say there's a Democrat that's president, they're still not doing what they need to do, which would be the uh the path of least resistance to get more money into this state that we're already sending the federal government. They're not even doing it when there's a Democratic president. Lo and behold, they're not going to do it when there's a Republican president either. Right.

[00:40:32]>> That's right. And and they're going to they're not going to hold up a vote for a Democrat. They're going to be a loyal Democratic soldier.

[00:40:39]>> That's why I said we need someone who's not loyal to a party or a person or agenda. You know, uh, President Trump, uh, I get in office, President Trump, and they they they want my vote. Okay.

[00:40:51]Well, we know Motton or Margy or Warren, they're a no. No matter what, >> right?

[00:40:56]>> I'm not a yes. No matter what.

[00:40:58]>> Mhm.

[00:40:58]>> I'm like, what's Massachusetts get?

[00:41:00]>> Correct. You got to make a deal, >> right? Like, >> exactly.

[00:41:03]>> What's Massachusetts get?

[00:41:05]>> Mhm.

[00:41:05]>> That's what I need cuz you know I got two bridges that are federally owned that are functioning obsolete on the Cape. We got some infrastructure that needs to be taken care of here. We need some healthcare. We need nuclear. We need this. We need that. You want my vote?

[00:41:18]What's Massachusetts get? That's what you need. And uh I'll do that regardless of who the party is.

[00:41:25]>> Sure.

[00:41:26]>> Um but um and and that's what we need.

[00:41:29]Hopefully people will see that and say that uh yeah, let's uh let's not just vote the Democrat ticket. You know what I mean?

[00:41:36]>> Of course. Well, I mean you you obviously you seem like the type of person that wants to put who you represent before your own interest, right? So that's really what we need here in Massachusetts across across the board. And you know, we did talk about uh Mar Healey in the governor's race a little bit. What's your opinion on what what do you think? You want to talk about this or >> I'll talk about anything you want.

[00:41:58]Listen, I take pride in uh I know where you're headed.

[00:42:01]>> I take pride in never shiding away from from any any question because I think people are ready for someone to just caught like it is. Um >> uh I assume you're talking about the governor's race.

[00:42:12]>> Yeah. Yeah, of course.

[00:42:14]>> Yeah. Listen, it's um it's unfortunate what we're seeing right now. Um and I've been up front from day one obviously and and somebody even like Jack Gateley had made made this comment which was um it would be ideal if if only one person came out of the convention, right?

[00:42:32]Because then there's no contested primary. Here's the thing that no one knows better than me cuz I ran last time in 2024. a September primary is an incumbent protection program for incumbents. Um, I knew when the other two fellas got on the ballot last time in 2024, you know, I still fought as hard as I could, but that was the first thing I needed to go my way to have a shot at taking out Elizabeth Warren is that no, no one else could make the ballot. And when the other two did, it kind of sealed my fate because it required me to then just fight all the way to September 3rd, right?

[00:43:14]>> To try to convince Republicans I'm the guy and the conservatives, which is only 8% >> of a population. Uh, and so I won it by 65%. But I had 800 grand left. Elizabeth Warren had 25 million. And I had spent my whole time trying to edit like a 100 RTC's. And um then I wanted to debate Elizabeth Warren September 4th, right?

[00:43:39]Nope. She waited until October 15th.

[00:43:42]Why? Because early Mel Melon voting began 10 days before. So before I when I stamped on stage with Elizabeth Warren, 25 30% of the votes had already been cast in Massachusetts.

[00:43:55]>> Um that's what the incumbent's going to do. Um, and so as long as there is a contested guminatorial race, Mora Healey isn't going to debate, >> right? She's going to say, "Well, we'll wait and see who wins the the governor's race and then she'll wait until October.

[00:44:14]>> Early melon voting will already started." It's the same process. It is a death kill uh having that late of a primary. And so, um, I'll make it no secret about the fact that, you know, I was hoping only one person would come out, regardless of which three. I liked all three, supported all three. Uh, I donated to all three. Um, that wasn't the most fiscally conservative thing I've ever done in my life, right? Uh, but um, but, uh, it would only be in the best interest of the party if if there wasn't. Um because what's going to happen is um the first ad by Mora Healey will be what a Republican said against another Republican.

[00:45:01]>> It'll be like don't take my word for it.

[00:45:03]Let me show you what and it could be short sleeve hitting McNog. Let's say short sleeve were to pull off this upset in the primary. then it would be something negative said about short sleeve which is starting to be said seen online right now and so uh it it is a very unfortunate situation.

[00:45:23]>> Yeah, I agree. And and I mean I see this from obviously all different angles uh because the audience that watches my channel, you know, there's independents, Democrats, Republicans, people from out of state and different people were supporting, you know, different candidates and as you said, I liked all the candidates. I interviewed all of them. You know, I I think that people are kind of missing the forest for the trees here. That's my opinion. And what I mean by that is this. I see a lot of like this inner party fighting uh you know between different Republican candidates or one talking point or another and then somebody twists this one way or somebody twist it the other way from one candidate or another. And the fact remains I don't think people realize and I don't you don't have to agree with me on this but this is my theory. I think that right now, giving given all of the issues that are happening inside of Massachusetts, >> I think right now is the time where there could actually be a change. And now all of a sudden, you know, we're seeing all these things come out, all these different headlines about different people, different emails, different newsletters, and all these other things. Like, I could understand one side of that one. Like, I could understand one part of this, then I could understand the other. And there's multiple truths that anybody could come up with here, but I feel like I don't want us to blow an opportunity that we have that's in front of us because I don't know if we'll get it again. That's the thing. And then by the time if Healey decides to get if she gets back in, she uses this to her advantage.

[00:46:52]Guess what's going to happen? Things are only going to get more expensive. Things are going to get less affordable. People my age are going to continue to move out of the state. I don't want to see that happen, right? I don't want to see that happen. And beyond that, it's like I've provided these and I'm not the the beall end all of what's morally right, morally wrong. I'm not always right. I'm not always wrong. Right? But the fact remains, I talk about these issues that I talk about on my channel and I'm putting the ideas out there and I'm letting people determine what they are, you know, what is bothering them the most. And the current administration doesn't even want to look into some of these issues with a forensic eye and say, you know what, and I don't care if it was because of me or because of a study or whatever, but they could at least come forward and say, look, you know, on energy, we know we've made some mistakes, okay? We want you guys to be afford to live and thrive in Massachusetts. We don't want businesses leaving. We do not want people leaving.

[00:47:49]We messed up and we're going to try, they don't even have to say messed up, like we went one route, we're going to try to pivot. I think people would appreciate that. But the fact remains they don't even want to go that far. So that's what I'm So so what I'm trying to get to is that the opportunity is here.

[00:48:04]If we can't win now, when when will we win?

[00:48:08]>> Well, I I've always taken pride. If you look at my book, you know, I say no fear, never give up. I I've never given up. That's my sort of approach to life.

[00:48:18]Um >> but I have to be honest. Um, if we don't get a seat at the table, and what I mean by that, if I lose the Senate seat, if we lose the governor's seat, if we don't pick up more state rep, state senate seats, um, I don't know if we ever will.

[00:48:35]You know, the question will be, is Massachusetts gone for good? Because you can't get any worse, it seems. I know it can, because trust me, it can. like we're going to go from 16% of people on food stamps to 20 >> uh in a matter of two years. So things can get worse. But I mean, if if we as a Republican, as the opposition party, can't get a seat at the table with the current state of affairs of Massachusetts, with with a one party so arrogant and so corrupt that they won't commission an audit that 72% of the voters demanded, then I don't know if we ever will. And if we can't unite as a party when we have things this way, then I don't know, you know, if we ever will.

[00:49:26]I mean, my biggest criticism is Republicans eating Republicans while the Democrats sit around and decide, right?

[00:49:35]Uh people saying, "Well, you can't he can't win because of this reason and he can't win because of this reason." And so they they they make excuses for whatever reason and they bicker and they fight and they slam and throw dirt. In the meantime, the Democrats sit back, keep doing that, >> right?

[00:49:50]>> Uh and we'll keep being corrupt and we'll keep being in charge. And so, you know, um my fear is that and we're already seeing it. You know, I I looked online this morning and and I see, you know, um people attacking Brian uh and uh and then you have some people saying, "No, well, >> uh he made the ballot, so you you uh this is our system and you don't annoy anyone." And I'm just trying to tell you from a practical standpoint um a contested a real contested primary um is uh is is a absolute uh path to not winning. Um you know matter of fact there was a um a rumor that Mike McNo before he announced for governor was going to get in the Senate race. It was a false rumor. All right.

[00:50:47]uh that consultants put out there.

[00:50:50]>> Um and I called Mike and he told me no, he wasn't getting sin. I wouldn't be running.

[00:50:55]>> I wouldn't be running. Even if I thought I could beat Mike or anyone else, right?

[00:50:59]Um uh Sheriff Lou was thinking if he would have been in the race was announcing, I wouldn't have got in because you can't win if you fight all the way to September 1st. I'm just telling you, there is not enough time.

[00:51:14]um you know and um you know I'm not um I'm not someone who's going to tell someone else what to do.

[00:51:22]>> Sure. Of course.

[00:51:22]>> Um but uh you know I know what I would do.

[00:51:26]>> I understand and I respect your you know your opinion and and sharing that with me and I I'm in the same boat. You know I'm not going to try to tell anybody what to do or shift somebody's opinion one way or the other. I met these people. I like these people a lot. And I think that, you know, I I think that maybe what happens inside of Massachusetts may be uh like limited to Massachusetts. What I mean by that is this is we are a Democratic supermajority here. Maybe something like this, and I'm just speaking freely here.

[00:51:54]This isn't what I believe or I'm advocating for. I'm just talking. But I would think that in a state like Massachusetts, you would really need to do everything in the right order, the right steps in order to try to beat somebody like Mar Healey. That's a that's a Democrat here. I feel like everything needs to be precise, calculated, everything needs to line up.

[00:52:13]I think that maybe in other states, and again, I'm just thinking, I'm not advocating for this, but I think maybe in other states where they could be a little bit more purple or something like that, you know, maybe you could get away with different things there.

[00:52:24]Massachusetts is a different story. It's so bad that all you need to do if if people really want to look, all you need to do is look at the charts of of of voters, uh, what, you know, go back 10, 15, 20, 25 years, Democrat, unenrolled, and Republican, and you could tell at one time there was more Democrats, right? Then it started to transition where a lot of these people that I'm thinking were more than likely Democrats went to unenrolled. So, we have an entire state that's what is it 64% unenrolled or independent voters.

[00:52:56]>> 64.8 >> 64.8%. We have an entire state that is being represented by a Democratic supermajority that may not even be Democrats. Do you see what I'm saying?

[00:53:06]>> Right. That that's I I feel like that's a problem.

[00:53:09]>> No, it's a problem. And here's the thing. Uh you said that here in Massachusetts that things have to line up in order for us to win. Uh, and you're right. And then we're going to win by a couple percentage points.

[00:53:25]>> Mhm.

[00:53:26]>> One to two.

[00:53:27]>> It's either that or we're going to get beat by 15.

[00:53:30]>> Uh, >> win by a little or lose by a lot.

[00:53:32]>> I mean, I'm just saying is it's just the way it is. Um, and and so, look, I got 1.35 million votes last time. 40 almost 41% of the vote. 40.4%. And so, and we don't have a voice at the table. Those 1.4 million people have no seat at the table, right? All nine members of the House are Democrats. Both US senators are Democrats. Every statewide office is a Democrat. And so that's why I say we have to get a seat at the table. And um you know, hopefully uh people will see the need to come together and do that uh and unite because it really is our our only chance. Yeah. At at winning. It really is. So, what's another question I wanted to ask you? We talked about energy.

[00:54:25]We talked about Ed Marky. Seth Molton. I I don't even know that much about I try to focus on local stuff. So, in regards to Seth Molton, what is he just basically like Ed Marky light? Is that what it is? Is >> Well, if you look at this announcement video, um his whole argument is vote for him, he's younger and he'll fight Trump harder. Uh, and you know, Seth, um, was first known as more of a moderate Democrat.

[00:54:53]>> Uh, and he just learned a a valuable lesson that you can't out left Marky. It just can't be done because he's went pretty far left.

[00:55:03]>> Yeah. He's Yes.

[00:55:04]>> You know, and and he's no longer going to be considered a moderate. I mean, I think he will uh challenge Marky uh make it closer than um than the race was in Democratic primary six years ago against Joe Kennedy. Marky ended up beating him by like 10 and a half points.

[00:55:22]>> Um I think Seth will make it closer.

[00:55:24]>> But I think Marky, you know, I'll be able to pivot if it's not Marky and it's Seth. Like I'm not Yeah, sure. I'll be ready for for whoever. Um because the policies are the same.

[00:55:35]>> Um the message is the same. Um, but most likely it'll be Marky because he's such a reliable progressive left vote soldier. He's loyal to the Democratic party >> uh to the to the extent. And listen, everybody needs to understand the kind of monkey wrench I'm trying to be. I've been told the Democratic plan and why Marky uh when he announced and warn and everyone immediately said they would endorse him >> is because he's going he's plans to to retire at 84.

[00:56:11]>> Mhm.

[00:56:12]>> Right. four years from now. And if Mora Healey is the wins reelection, she gets to a point who sits in his seat for till a special election. And that person is going to be Michelle Woo. And so uh and she would get to sit as an incumbent for up to a couple hundred days before a special election. That's how they do.

[00:56:32]They're raised to anoint their next uh person in line. And and that's why we had to fight it so hard because that's that's a disaster. Yeah, I it's always a I think people and maybe realize maybe my viewers realize but some people don't realize this is like in Massachusetts it's such an extreme that you need to meet that extreme with equal or greater force to some extent right in order to win. Uh that's that's that's my belief and that's how I feel because things have gotten so bad here for so many people. The middle class has effectively been scooped out of Massachusetts, right? That's that's really what's going on. And I feel sorry for these people because it's a lot of people that I represent in real estate transactions that might be selling. They may be going somewhere else. They may be trying to buy. They can't buy. Uh and the fact remains is we need these people, right?

[00:57:20]We need these people. We need businesses to stay here. We need uh more federal funds to be coming in and not fighting the federal administration and not getting the funds back, right? Those are things that need to happen and those are things that you represent.

[00:57:32]>> No, 100%. Um, we we we've got to have a common sense approach to solve these problems. And these problems are solvable. I do believe that. Like I'm >> every problem is solvable. It >> it it really is. And we could solve them relatively quickly um if we do it the right way. And uh but you have to have somebody who's willing to go in there and um be willing to fight for those things. And uh unfortunately we don't.

[00:58:01]And um I'm hoping people are ready for someone who does.

[00:58:04]>> I agree with you. John, is there anything else you'd like to add?

[00:58:07]>> No. Uh just uh if uh people want a yard sign, go to John Deon for Senate. Let us know. Uh donate if they can. Uh obviously I need the money, too.

[00:58:17]>> Sure.

[00:58:18]>> And um we can win this. This race against Marquy is winnable. I think the race against Healey is winnable, too. and and hopefully we'll see a unification and we all can come together and put our best foot forward. I I'm really hopeful that that still will happen and and um >> we can fight for that seat, man, because if we don't get it um we're going to see more people leave. We're going to see our kids leave uh because they're not going to be able to to afford the neighborhood they grew up in.

[00:58:51]>> It's sad. Well, John, thanks for coming on.

[00:58:53]>> Thank you for having me. Always a pleasure.

[00:58:55]>> Thanks, John.

[00:58:56]How was that? Okay.

[00:58:57]>> Yeah.