This video demonstrates how critical biblical analysis involves examining original Hebrew and Greek texts, contextual interpretation, and scholarly sources to challenge common Christian interpretations. The host engages in debates with callers who question Christian beliefs, using academic sources like Cambridge University Press and Houston Theological Seminary to provide alternative interpretations of scripture, such as analyzing whether Jesus called the Canaanite woman a 'dog' as an insult or as a cultural analogy about Jewish priority. The video emphasizes that understanding biblical texts requires examining context, original languages, and scholarly research rather than accepting surface-level readings.
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Anyone else kind of like annoyed at Christians nowadays? Like every time you ask them to provide evidence, they go, "Well, I don't want to I don't want to force my beliefs on you." Like my dude, no one's asking you to force anything. We're just asking you for evidence. Evidence isn't forcing anyone anything.
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So what people can change? Who can change? Vinnie Dalton.
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That's for all the atheists out there with the fodoras and the neck beer. He's going >> not a minor by the way. Well, most women were minors when they got engaged in ancient Israel. And since Mary was betrod to Joseph, um, most likely a minor, do you use your interpretation of the Bible, churches, or secular perspective?
Uh, my perspective is the secular perspective.
Matthew 9:14, is that the one about the Unix?
We don't really have that category all that much in the in the modern world.
Not the lady.
Oh man. I feel like uh it'd be it just for funsies just to get a fedora just to do a cosplay as like the Reddit atheist would be fun.
Let the little children come to me. Oh no.
That is Donald Trump's favorite Bible verse. Let the little children come to me.
My Christian friend said that the Bible supports women. What's your opinion on this? The Bible treats women as if they're property. Um, it doesn't allow a woman to divorce her husband, but it does allow a husband to divorce his wife, which is uh what we would call unfair treatment.
Do you sometimes enter trinitarian lives? Um, no. I like I like I prioritize my mental health over you know that.
What's wrong with fedoras asking for a friend?
Listen, I'm sure there's a way that someone out there could wear a fedora and it look good. Not me though. It ain't happening for me. If I wear a fedora, I will look like that stereotype.
When you coming to the UK?
Um, I'm coming one day in the future.
What about women who weren't their fathers or husband's property? What rights did they have? Ooh, that's a good question. You talking about like widows, for example?
I don't know what the rights of a widow were, but generally, at least in the Hebrew Bible, the prophets at least tried to prioritize taking care of the widow.
All right, looks like we got a guest.
David runs 95. I'm going to ask you three preliminary questions and then we'll get to the conversation at hand.
Question number one, are you at least 18 years old?
>> Yes.
>> Question number two, um, what pronouns you go by?
Don't ask me that dumb [ __ ] bro.
>> Oh, sorry. That was an incorrect answer.
Uh, what was your pronouns?
>> All right.
>> Um, she, her.
>> All right, young lady. And are you a Christian?
>> Yes.
>> All right. Um, tell me, ma'am. Uh, I'm Dalton the Bible guy. What, uh, which one of the three topics on the board would you like to discuss with me?
>> Um, >> also turn down my live a little bit.
Your background noise is atrocious.
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>> I I we'll try to power through it. All right. Um Um David, which one of the topics did you want to talk to me about?
Um, let's do let's do let's do Christianity is false. I guess that's fine.
>> All right. Christianity is false because Jesus didn't fulfill any messianic prophecies from the Hebrew Bible. Thus, he can't be the Messiah, thus invalidating the religion.
>> Um, what? Okay. So what prophecies what prophecies are even talking about that he didn't fulfill? Like what's a prophecy Christians say he fulfilled that he didn't?
>> Are you not aware of prophecies?
>> No.
>> Oh. Well, they say that like the crucifixion was prophesied in the Old Testament, but it wasn't. They just make a a lot of claims, but it looks like you're not really ready for this conversation.
>> No, I've never I've never read the Bible, but I believe in God, though. You're a Christian and you've never read the Bible.
>> No, I I I just believe in God. I'm not like I don't have any religion.
>> But you're a Christian.
>> Are you a Christian?
>> No.
>> I just believe in God, not like >> anyways.
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Needs to spend more time hitting the books than the gem.
We want no degree. We want no degrees says glitter.
No degree is one of the laziest Christians out there. Intellectually lazy.
Have you heard the debates which take place speakers?
Have you heard the debates which takes place speakers on YouTube? I don't know what you mean by that.
By the way, everyone, Jesus would be more in favor of communism than capitalism. Just saying.
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If she's never read the Bible, why did she pick that topic?
>> I don't know.
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He'd be flipping them tables. You bet he would. Uh, what's your reason for thinking Jesus is dead? Well, if you call in, you'll find out. You'll find out.
>> All right, Kevin.
Uh, I'm going to ask you three preliminary questions and then we'll get to the conversation. Question number one, are you at least 18 years old?
>> Yes, sir.
>> Question number two, what pronouns do you go by?
>> Hey, >> what was that?
>> Hey.
>> And question number three, are you a Christian?
>> Yes.
>> All right. I'm Dalton the Bible Guy. Um, there's that echo again. What the [ __ ] is going on? Um, I'm Dan the Bible Guy.
Um, which one of the three topics on the board would you like to talk about? And also, yeah, make sure you speak up. If you're a bit you're mumbling a bit much.
>> I would say that Christianity is false.
I mean that statement isn't true.
>> Oh, it is >> Christianity >> because Jesus wasn't the Messiah.
Therefore, >> I don't know why you just said the word Roman Empire.
>> But anyways, Christianity is false because Christianity. Anyways, Christianity is false because Jesus wasn't the Christ.
>> In Christian, in Christianity, we believe that I mean, you said God's not the Messiah.
>> Jesus isn't the Messiah.
>> According to who?
>> According to me, because he didn't fulfill any prophecies about the Messiah from the Old Testament.
>> Okay. Well, I mean, it's only coming from you.
>> Yeah.
>> Why should that supersede or trump what Jesus has said?
>> Cuz Jesus was an idiot. But you're more than welcome to provide counter evidence.
>> I mean, I I mean, I guess I don't really look too much too deep into scripture perhaps. I just kind of use my own personal experience in terms of I believe there was a creator of the world. I don't understand why Christians don't read the Bible. When I was a Christian, I read the [ __ ] I I read the [ __ ] out of my Bible as a Christian. Why don't you people ever read your Bible?
>> I'm just not a super I guess I'm just not a super devoted Christian right now. I think I could be in the future, but >> it doesn't make any sense. Like >> I have it downloaded.
>> Coming from somebody who doesn't practice anything, I think you should at least respect someone who started. If I thought this book came from a god, I would read the [ __ ] out of it every single day.
>> You can't get rich from reading the Bible.
>> I didn't say anything about being rich, did I?
>> You can't you can only gain knowledge and and then use it.
>> Yeah, that would be Yeah. And if I was a Christian and I thought this was the word of God, I would read the [ __ ] out of it because I would want to know as much things that God wants me to know.
But for some reason if you haven't read it >> Oh, I have read it. I have actually read the Bible unlike most Christians on TikTok.
>> What? And you disagree with the storyline?
>> Oh, yeah. Because Jesus >> You don't believe these people were real?
>> Some of them weren't real.
But why would people I believe there was people that surrounded the sighting of what happened when he rose and then after didn't they kill themselves or something?
>> No.
people who did that or there was a period when when I don't exactly know all the terms but I know that there was a period when Jesus came down and he made his he made his you know encounter with people and then >> I mean there was >> there were people who ended up killing themselves after and people don't typically kill themselves knowing >> they don't they didn't kill themselves >> protect the idea of God >> they didn't kill themselves I don't know where you're getting this information from >> well that that did happened. I know that. I know that event happened. So, I don't know where it's planned at exactly.
>> You're wrong.
>> Reason.
>> You're wrong, bud.
>> To be for reason.
>> You're not even You're not even accurately recounting like the claim from Christians is that other people killed early Christians, not that they killed themselves.
Why do you think that just that if a Christian can't recite something that doesn't make him a more ver a more virtuous person? I don't think you understand religion.
>> I just think I just think it's kind of weird. I just think it's No, it doesn't.
I just think it's kind of weird that y'all believe in something that you know nothing about.
>> What else is there to believe in the Almighty? All throughout history, we always chased a god. non- imaginary friends. That would be a good place to start.
>> Non-immaginary. But if that if that imaginary friend, let's say, makes you a happier, more content person, and you achieve more.
>> Are we conceding that God? Then God is real.
>> Wait, no. If he's imaginary, >> you believe in something and then there's >> no Kevin. If you know that person, if God is imaginary, then he's not real.
Imaginary friends aren't real, buddy.
Well, when people say I God saved my life, then that does make him real.
>> Prove it because people believed in something. I don't have to prove that God. Yes, you do. If you're going to make that claim that God saves people's lives, >> it doesn't. That's that that's true action.
>> Here, I'll make a statement that proves itself.
>> Your God is imaginary, not real. The statement proves itself. Therefore, God's not real. But Kevin, no offense. I feel like I'm punching down at this point. I don't think you're intellectual.
>> You don't have any evidence.
>> Yeah, says the person who says I don't have to provide evidence.
>> But anyways, Kevin, I feel like I'm punching down at this point. You're an intellectual ant in comparison to me.
>> And you, Kevin, you I don't have to bring anything to you. It's your job.
You're the one making claims. You need to provide the evidence.
>> I just did.
>> You didn't. You said it is because it is.
>> You said it isn't.
I hold the default position that something isn't true until you demonstrate that it is true.
>> Well, I'm just saying can we Don't you see how >> Anyways, Marlinator, are you at least 18 years old?
>> Yes.
>> And what pronouns do you go by?
>> He him.
>> And then question number three, are you a Christian?
>> I am.
>> All right. I'm Dton the Baba guy. Which one of the three points on the board would you like to discuss with me?
>> Uh, let's go with Christianity is false. Let's go with that one.
>> All right. Christianity is false because Jesus didn't fulfill any prophecies from the Old Testament.
>> Okay. What type? What prophecies would you say?
>> He didn't fulfill any of them.
>> Not a one.
>> Okay. Give a few.
>> It'd be easier if you just if you just be easier if you provide me one that he did.
>> Well, that's the thing. How about you pro you say one that you think that he didn't provide.
>> Yeah, he didn't bring >> that you think he didn't prove.
>> World peace.
End of all wars.
Isaiah chapter 2.
Okay, cool. Um, now your turn. Provide one he didn't fulfill that he did prove I mean that he did fulfill. Okay.
prophecies in the Bible.
>> What was that?
>> Obviously, there is.
>> What was that? I didn't hear it. What you just just said?
Hello?
Are you Googling right now?
It's okay. You are. Just tell us.
What the [ __ ] is going on today?
Anyways, I guess I'll read some super chats >> from Cararissa Wland with the 20 Bible 20 gifts. Send 20 the Bible guy give me W Carissa Wland.
>> And that's a concession on the part of the last guest. They dropped out. I didn't drop them. Um, how do I Gee whiz. Christianity. Christianity.
Come on. Bring your best. Bring your best on up.
Hannah Googler. Uh, I heard. Was that what he was saying? Was he trying to say into his microphone? Oh, prophecies Jesus fulfilled.
They don't realize the response to the pronouns question tells us much more than just pronouns facts R says I'm not a Christian but I do think it was possible Jesus Jesus was real. I also think Jesus was real. He just wasn't the Messiah.
Gee whiz, make sure to send in those super chats.
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Destiny says he was the Messiah. Well, Destiny, come on up and tell us about the prophecies Jesus fulfilled. I'd love to hear them.
U it is my job shadow. So, you know, yes, I am also trying to get money while doing this.
So, there's no secret about that.
They're being fulfilled right now. No, they're not.
All right. There we go. Next guest.
Jackson, I'm going to ask you three preliminary questions, then we'll get to the conversation. Question number one.
Are you at least 18 years old?
>> Yo, >> are you at least 18?
>> Yeah, just take your dildo out and we can have a debate. A real debate.
>> No, I will not take my dildo out. Now, um, now what pronouns do you go by?
>> Guy.
Sorry. Guy is not a pronoun in the English language. Try again.
He >> There we go. We got there. Question number three. Are you a Christian?
>> Uh, I'm a gooner. But yeah. Yeah.
>> But you're also a Christian.
>> Yeah.
>> H seems pretty inongruent, but all right.
>> Um, I'm Dton, the Bible guy. Which one of the three points on the board would you like to discuss with me?
So, I just wanted to say like, do you know that one Kanye song that goes like all my [ __ ] [ __ ] >> and goodbye?
What a [ __ ] child. Babe, by the way, Christians, I'm going to assume that this is the best that y'all can do is what I'm getting right now.
J, baby, are you at least 18 years old?
>> Yo, >> are you at least 18 years old? Yeah, I am.
>> All right. And uh what what pronouns do you go by?
>> Uh I go by he him cuz I'm not mentally ill.
>> Well, well, that will yet to be determined. I mean, if you have an imaginary friend, you might be. Now, are you a Christian?
>> Yeah, I am.
>> Then you're probably mentally ill. Now, um which of the three points on the board would you like to discuss?
>> Um Christianity is false.
Christianity is is Christianity is false is because Jesus didn't fulfill any prophecies from the Old Testament.
>> Have you actually read your Bible?
>> So like that other guy said, can you get your like ditto out of your ass, you know, and like quit sucking on dick?
>> No, I will not. That's what I like to do in my spare time.
>> [ __ ] ass.
>> Anyways, >> [ __ ] >> man. Guys, okay, there's a picture I got. It's and it's so [ __ ] accurate.
Uh here I'mma pull it up so you guys can see it. It's so funny and so true.
Um let's see. Um here we go.
Okay. This is so funny. Um let's see.
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Jesus Christ. Why is all my things so [ __ ] up today? All right, let's see.
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Come on. Jesus Christ. There we go.
Here we go. Christian who loses who is losing a debate slur.
Have you ever seen anything more accurate in your entire life than this?
It's pathetic.
One of these days, I think I might just do a whole stream with a butt plug in.
We'll see. I'll have to get a butt plug.
You debate childish. No. Well, hey, it's not my fault, Braden, if all the adult Christians who want to act like adults don't call in. The rest of you are just cowards. If you got a problem with childish Christians calling in, then be a better example.
I don't choose who calls in. I just accept calls.
But then again, what do you expect when you're talking to people who have imaginary friends as adults?
You can 3D print your own plug. Um, that sounds super uncomfortable.
Uh oh, that's weird.
For some reason, the super chats weren't showing up for a second, but I'll read them anyway.
Um, from atgood wizard with the $2 here, some money while you're doing this. Oh, thank you so much. And at HLT with the $5 and me the thumbs up Kitty, thank you so much. Much appreciated.
And at Rim with the $2. Keep pounding, brother. We love your work. Hey, love you too. Thank you so much.
All right, we got here Green Fields. Green Fields.
I'm going to ask you three questions.
and hopefully we can get through this conversation. Question number one, are you at least 18 years old?
>> Yes, sir.
>> Question number two, what pronouns do you go by?
>> Uh, he >> and question number three, are you a Christian?
>> I think the term Christian has lost its meaning.
>> Are you a follower of Jesus and believe that he is the Christ and the son of God?
>> Yeah.
>> All right, then you're a Christian.
Welcome to the Bible Guy Live. Uh, which one of the three points on the board would you like to discuss with me?
>> No, I just wanted to come up here and apologize for everyone that's been uh telling you slurs.
>> I don't think it's right, nor is it correct.
>> I mean, it's all I it's pretty much standard Christian practice at this point.
>> Which is why I said at the beginning, I think Christian has lost its meaning.
Well, I mean, sure, the religion is on its decline and these are the last like death throws of Christianity.
>> Yeah. Which it really does hurt my heart. Um, I'm not going to lie.
>> I don't know. It makes brings me a lot of joy knowing it's at its end.
>> The world will be better off.
>> It depends. I mean, as all things, there's going to be the bad and there's going to be the few that are good.
And I don't have enough information to uh debate you on this. So, I apologize on that behalf as I recently just started with my face.
>> Well, there's still time for you, bud.
>> Thank you. I appreciate that. Anything else?
>> Uh, what I can't even ask that. How can I word this?
I'm assuming you started off Christian because you uh mentioned that you uh read the Bible at the young age.
>> Oh yeah, I was very Christian for quite some time and then I read the Bible.
>> Uhhuh. Okay. Uh I'm assuming uh life experience also led you to uh be where you are right now.
>> Only the life experience of reading the Bible.
>> Oh, okay. Okay.
Oh, hold on. Someone added me right now.
If you're reading the Bible, remember, there is no reason not to take it all lit. I agree. Uh, something I also believe in is that uh Jesus's teachings are a lot smaller compared to what the Bible actually states.
I believe that he meant for us to be better people and have a higher moral code. But in his >> in his opinion perhaps, but you know, I don't think his moral code was all that good.
>> Jesus or >> Jesus.
>> Okay. What makes you say that?
>> You know, he once called a a woman a a dog, right?
>> And I have my Bible out, so if you could point that out, please.
>> Absolutely. Matthew chapter 15.
>> Let's see. 10:45. Here I'll pull it up on the screen.
Listen and understand it is okay. Okay.
>> Verse 21. It says, "Jesus left that place and went away to the district of Ty and Sidon. Just then a Canaanite woman from the region came out and started shouting, have mercy on me, Lord, son of David. My daughter is tormented by a demon." But he did not answer her at all. And his disciples came and urged him, saying, "Send her away, for she keeps shouting after us."
He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." But she came and knelt before him, saying, "Lord, help me." He answered, "It is not fair to take the children's food and throw it to the dogs, >> I believe." Okay, again, this is uh depending on how you interpret it, right?
Uh which uh version of the Bible is this?
>> The New Revised Standard Version Updated Edition.
>> Okay.
Now, I'm no scholar, right? As I admitted earlier, I barely started.
Okay. As far as I understand, there is different words that were used. I believe in this context, it was used to feed them to scraps, if I'm not mistaken.
>> Yes. But in the analogy, who's supposed to be the dog?
Let's see.
I believe the dog was referring to the people who uh the owners were as servants. I don't believe Jesus was outwardly referring to the woman as dogs because in this context I believe it was uh >> that would be incorrect.
>> The children refer to the Israelites.
The non-Israelites are the dogs. Jesus said, "I came only for the lost sheep of the house of Israel. I only came for the children of Israel, not the Gentiles."
And then she and then he says, "It is not right to give the food that belongs to the children to the dogs." And then she responds saying, "Um, yes, Lord, but even yet even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from the master's table."
She's acknowledging that she's a dog.
Then Jesus answered her,"Woman, great is your faith. Let it be done for you as you wish." And her daughter was healed from that moment. So he did feed the dog, but still a dog.
>> He called her.
Uh I believe this was a format of analogy.
>> Yes. The analogy is that the woman is a dog.
>> Okay.
Is there anywhere else you could point to me where you think Jesus is also a bad person?
>> Yeah. Jesus told us that we should follow the law of Moses. And the law of Moses says a lot of horrible [ __ ] about women being lesser than men, that you can own slaves, and that innocent women should be put to death.
>> No. Shouldn't it have been the Ten Commandments?
>> No, not just the Ten Commandments.
Although the Ten Commandments are still problematic. The 10th commandment says that a woman is the property of a man.
>> And since you read the Bible, can you also point me to where that is?
>> Exodus 20:17. You shall not covet your neighbor's house, wife, um male or female slaves, uh ox, donkey, or anything that would belongs to your neighborh.
>> You said chapter 13.
>> Chapter 20. Exodus 20:1 17. Let's see because I have the KGV version and it does not state that thou shalt not coveret thy neighbor's house. Thou shalt not coveret thy neighbor's wife, nor his man servant, nor his maid servant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor anything that is thy neighbors.
>> Yeah. What What is What does a uh Tell me what do these objects have in common?
House, slaves, livestock.
Oh, possession of men.
>> So why is a woman listed amongst all those possessions?
Okay.
Uh I'm not going to try to how can I say this safely?
We know at the time that women well it's been throughout history where women are considered less than men which >> yes but isn't this coming from God who's supposed to be all knowing and all good?
>> But then if we end up going to over here we see that uh in the New Testament we see that Jesus is also challenging this very same authority whenever he lets a woman a prostitute uh clean his feet with her.
>> Well that doesn't mean anything. That's she he's she's acting like a servant.
She's placing herself as lesser than him and he's allowing her. So that doesn't help at all.
And then we also Okay. Okay.
Uh, anything uh more scripture you would like to point out?
>> I think that's sufficient.
>> That's sufficient. Yeah.
>> It's going to take me a lot to process this.
All righty then. Anything else, bud?
>> Uh, no. I appreciate your time. Thank you.
>> All righty then.
Let me put that down.
Green fields topic Jesus misogyny.
All right, we're going to bring up the next guest, but first I'm going to read some super chats. Um, we got here, let's see, uh, Cararissa Wheeland with the $50 big W to Cararissa Wheeling.
And then um by the way, another super chat here from at ontological shock with the $5. Hey, Dalton, is that your real voice when you read the super chats or are you using an audio filter? If it's real, you might make a good voice actor.
Um I might make a a good voice actor. Um >> yeah, though. So this is totally my real voice. Um >> no, no, no. It's a it's a it's a it's a voice editor obvious. Yeah. But uh it's surprising because I think it sounds fake as [ __ ] So like I don't know. But you know you know if it sounds realistic then you know there you go. Uh love that question. But no not my real voice. I'm not that good of a voice actor.
Dalton can read Hebrew though. So he can read it from the original text if you want. Uh uh someone questioning what the text actually says. Yeah, we can read it in Hebrew. It says the same [ __ ] in Hebrew.
All right. Malik Lukeman Abdullah Senior, are you Malik, are you at least 18 years old?
>> Am I?
>> Yes.
>> And what pronouns do you go by?
>> Ask that question again. What pronouns do you go by?
>> Male.
>> Sorry, male is not a pronoun in the English language.
>> Okay, let's say he.
>> There you go. And are you a Christian?
>> No, I am not.
>> Then why did you call in? Because the topic board is pretty Christian driven, isn't it?
>> Well, I had a question. I have a question about your headline here. It says the Bible is BS. And my question was, why do you say that?
>> Because it's full of contradiction, scientific and historical errors. So, it's [ __ ] >> Well, um, so you're saying all of these characters and information that's written there, where did it come from?
>> Some of them are made up. Some of them are historical. like everyone from Adam all the way to Joshua probably not real people there was no Abraham no Moses etc. Then another question is I am I agree with you wholeheartedly. However, >> aren't you Muslim?
>> There are I am Muslim.
>> Then you can't agree with me.
>> Then you can't agree with me wholeheartedly because uh both Abraham and both both Abraham and Moses are prophets.
>> About what you just said about the uh contradiction, the lies and some of those people that are petitional. I'll use that. Huh?
>> The Quran also has its own problems, you know.
>> Well, we weren't talking about that. I'm talking about this statement that here, the Bible. That's what I was asking about.
>> We can we can transcend it to something else.
>> I don't really care about talking with the Bible to you. You're a Muslim.
>> Well, I'm just asking you about your statement. Why do you say uh the Bible is BS? That's my question. You're extending it to something else.
>> For the same reason the Quran is BS.
>> Well, okay. That's what you say.
>> Quick question. Quick question. Is there anything wrong with a grown man uh having sex with a nine-year-old?
>> Is there something wrong with that?
>> Yeah.
>> Uh I get the gist of your question.
>> Just a yes or no. I think it is >> just a yes or no.
Uh I think that first first of all I believe that you in context of people that uh reject >> Nope. Just asking the question is there anything yes or no. I don't need any other explanation yes or no. Is there anything wrong with grown man having sex with a nine-year-old?
>> As far as the question yes there's something wrong with that. As far as who you are attributing it to, was the same information.
>> Was did Muhammad do a wrong thing by uh [ __ ] a nine-year-old?
>> Let me finish. Let me let me finish the statement and then we can extend a conversation.
>> Did Muhammad do anything wrong by [ __ ] a nine-year-old?
>> That's unequivocally incorrect.
>> He didn't do anything.
>> You getting your story from >> Are you saying that Muhammad didn't [ __ ] a nine-year-old?
>> I answered that. I said that is unequivocally incorrect sir. when she married Muhamad.
Let's see.
>> Well, this interesting. You want to >> How old does I question?
>> How how old does Aisha say she was when she had conjugal relations with the prophet?
>> That is not um that is not factual and that's not a statement from Aisha. Those are statements from the detractors. the det.
>> You don't know the life. You don't know the life in the history of Muhammad the prophet. You get what the >> I know that he was a I know that he was a pedophile and also that he was also just an idiot. He thought that sperm came from between the backbone and the ribs.
>> Say what you want to say. Where does sperm come from?
>> I don't need you. I don't need you using me as a sounding board.
>> Where does sperm come from?
>> You do not know, sir. Do not know what you're talking about. Where does sperm come from?
>> Whatever you call this.
>> Where does sperm sperm come from?
>> Where does sperm come from?
>> You can answer that. You know come from according to the Quran. Where does sperm come from?
>> I'm not going to indulge you in something that is factual.
>> To be clear when the Quran says that sperm comes between the backbone and the ribs because Muhammad was just an idiot who didn't know much about anything and also he was a pedophile.
Can we get some Justice for Aisha stickers in the comment section? Um, there we go. Hell yeah. Should have brought up my Muhammad picture, you know.
Anyways, I really have little to no patience for Muslim callers because, you know, their religions, even though Christianity is despicable, Christian um Islam is much more transparently despicable.
But he had a flying horse. Yeah. Yeah.
Had a flying horse. And he split the moon in half. Everyone caller can just go off and just keep eating crayons if he wants.
Anyways, um where's my Here we go.
Muhammad was also illiterate. Yeah. dumb and illiterate, scientifically illiterate. Muhammad thought that Miriam, the mother of Jesus, was the same woman as Miriam, the sister of Aaron. How s how silly.
Did you ever hear of the flying spaghetti monster religion? Yeah, it's pretty funny.
Glitter says he was named after a famous boxer. So there uh I got a message here from Simeon Urchin. I know I just recommended this to Justin, but if you haven't watched Good Omens, you really should.
Uh Neil Gaiman is yucky ucky, but you would love the biblical knowledge in playing with Christian mythology. Also, David Tennant is one of the main leads if you needed any convincing. Um Simeon Urchin, I have watched all of Good Omens. In fact, I just watched season 3 last week and it was a perfect perfect show. It's so good. Such a good show. Um Crowley and Azerell goals Have you ever crossed over changes the perspective?
Um, no. I wouldn't change my perspective. I cuz I understand I understand that near-death experiences are, you know, in the brain. Camwise, you want to come up and hang out? I know you're hanging out at the cabin, but you know, also some fun fact, some people have near-death experiences and guess what they see?
Nothing. I got a friend who had a near-death experience and she saw absolutely nothing when she died.
Howdy, partner.
>> Yo yo, >> how's the cabin?
>> Good. I just came to flex on you really quick. Let me turn my camera around.
>> Do it. Yeah.
>> Okay. Hold on.
>> Here. Let me get my Let me big screen you so everyone can see the cabin. One second.
>> Well, I'm not showing you my cabin. I'm not I'm not doxing myself like that.
These are my neighbors.
>> Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. It's fine. You can dox your neighbors. I don't care. Um, talk to my neighbors.
>> Here, one second. Let me >> But that's not even the best part. The best part's down here.
>> Let me make it to where Tik Tok YouTube can see you, too. Let me second. Um, there we go.
>> So, here we are, >> y'all. Cam has like these neighbors that are basically like millionaires.
>> No, like definitely millionaires. My There's a cabin like two doors down from mine that just sold for over 2 million.
My cabin's not like that though.
>> It's nice though. It looks hella nice.
>> No, I have a nice I might have a nice cabin. It's definitely not like I'm going to show you these in a sec.
>> I love that we're just walking up in someone's backyard.
>> So, here's backyard. This is the public meadow.
>> Wow.
That's like >> the hill. The hills are alive with this.
>> With the multi-million dollar cabins here.
>> Wow.
If it cost $2 million, it's not a cabin.
Uh-oh. She might be losing service.
There we go.
>> These are cabins. These are cabins.
They're just really expensive ones.
>> I love that. Oh my god. I would >> And look at Can you imagine that? The view that Can you imagine the view they all have this every day?
>> Imagine sipping coffee in the morning looking out at that.
>> Yes. So that cabin right there, it's hard to Yeah, it's hard to see when I'm pointing at it. That one just sold for over $2 million.
>> That's crazy.
Um, someone's at what state? The state of confusion.
>> I know my wrist touch here.
Oh, there she is.
>> And now here's your every everybody's favorite gal frolicking through the meadow as as I do.
>> There she is. The hills are alive with the sound of music, are they not?
>> Can we get singing that song? I'll sing the whole thing. Pokey >> says, "Can we get a meadow jig?
a meadow jig.
>> Yeah.
>> Can't believe you had to ask. Hold on.
>> Oh my god.
>> Okay.
>> Love that.
>> Okay. I did what I came to do. I flexed.
I'm going to go eat lunch now.
>> Okay. You have fun >> and go shopping.
You You girls have a good time.
>> Bye.
>> Bye, >> y'all. She's my favorite person 100%.
Um, all right. Let's see.
Cyber. Hey, bud.
>> Hey. So, I I've got a bit of a spoiler alert for any of those who've been watching um The Chosen. Rumor has it at the end of the season they plan on killing off the main character >> just to have him come back just to have him come back next season.
>> Complete like waste.
>> Oh, no one ever stays dead nowadays in media. I swear.
>> No real consequence. No real consequences.
>> Never. But hey, how how's your weekend been?
>> It's been fantastic. Um I've I reached 7,000 subscribers on on YouTube. which is exciting.
>> Nice.
>> Um, all you lovely people on YouTube, I see you and I and I recognize you and I love you. Uh, and um, and um, yeah, it's just been great. I'm I'm I'm doing fantastic. I'm loving it. How about you, bud?
>> Um, this this is this is this is my my my day today.
>> Oh, you're right.
>> Deliver delivering delivering all those those lovely packages.
Lovely.
>> Yeah, I'm just finishing up my break, but I'm going to hop down, but I'm going to be listening in.
>> All right, you have a good day, Cyber.
Have fun at work.
And I'm delivering this package, everyone. Enjoy. I hope you can unwrap it and have a good time.
All right, we're going to ring up the next guest, Zeus O. Zeus O, I'm going to ask you three questions and then we'll get to the uh we'll get to the conversation at hand. Question number one, are you at least 18 years old?
Zeus.
Zeus.
>> Oh, that was an that was an accident.
>> You're good, brother. Just keep swinging away. All right.
>> Yep.
>> Uh, Heather, Heather, are you at least 18 years old?
Heather.
Heather, you got a cute dog as a profile picture.
I'm going to assume you didn't know you were up here.
All right, Evan.
Evan, are you at least 18 years old?
>> I am.
>> And what pronouns do you go by?
>> I'm a he, him.
>> And are you a Christian?
>> I am.
>> All right, Evan. Uh, I'm Dalton, the Bible guy. Which one of the topics on the board would you like to discuss with me?
Um I Why do you Why do you think Christianity is false?
>> Uh yeah, I have no evidence that the Christian God exists, nor do I and nor do we uh nor did Jesus fulfill any prophecies of Messiah from the Old Testament.
>> Um so if there was proof that that Christianity was true, you would believe Christianity, right? I would have to I would be convinced and as a result of convinced being convinced I would have to believe.
>> So hold on, let me put this um do you believe that do you believe that George Washington was a real person?
>> Yes, we have writings from George Washington. We have his teeth. We have his clothes. We know exactly where he's buried. Um we have correspondence signed by people who knew him. We don't have anything like that for Jesus.
>> But do you have so the the definition of the word proof is meaning that there is no other way. There can be no other way.
Um so there's >> that's what proof means.
>> And also we wouldn't use we wouldn't really use the word proof in this instance. Proof is more of a mathematical term. We would use the term evidence. do we have evidence of this thing? And the answer is yes, we do have evidence that >> George Washington existed. I also think Jesus existed. He just wasn't the Messiah.
>> So you you base your beliefs off of evidence.
>> So since there's historical evidence that George Washington was a real person, he was one of our founding fathers, >> you have faith that he was a real life person.
>> No. Faith is a belief without evidence.
Well, there is evidence of Jesus Christ.
>> I believe Jesus existed. He just wasn't the Christ because he didn't fulfill any prophecies about the Messiah from the Old Testament.
>> Okay. Well, I can't really go any further with you because I'm um I'm pretty uneducated.
I um I got that from, you know, Cliff a Christian guy.
>> Yeah, he's horrible. He's very bad at arguing for Christianity.
>> I just um I'm I'm getting into Christianity, so I just wanted to make that argument, but I I can't really go any further with it because I don't know I don't know too much about it at this point right now.
>> Keep watching the Bible Guy show and we can we still have time to get you out of Christianity, bud.
>> All right. Well, I'm just, you know, I'm doing my research right now. I'm just trying to explore, you know, I've been reading the Bible and I've been I've been looking on both sides like of atheists and from Christians and I'm just trying to like I'm trying to find my own.
>> Fun fact, >> reading the Bible is what led me >> I guess >> reading the Bible is what led me to becoming an atheist.
>> Why is that?
>> Because the Bible is filled with contradictions, scientific errors, historical errors. Jesus didn't fulfill prophecy and it's also just morally repugnant.
>> Okay.
All right. Well, yeah, I can't really make any argument here, but um yeah, I'm just going to keep doing my research and, you know, maybe you'll see me on here in the future.
>> Yeah. When you have something to talk about, make sure to call in.
>> Yeah, man. All right. Well, uh, I guess I'll see you around, brother. Have a good day.
>> Don't worry, guys. One of these days we'll get a Christian to call in who does know the Bible. We got here a real deal Renfro. Real, I'm going to ask you three preliminary questions and then we'll get to the conversation at hand.
Question number one, are you at least 18 years old?
>> Yes, sir.
>> Question number two, what pronouns do you go by?
Um, I'm just a man.
>> Sorry, man is not a pronoun.
>> Yeah.
>> So, what pronoun do you go by?
>> Uh, continue on with your questions. Not I don't do the program pronoun stuff.
>> Sorry, we don't move on till you answer the question.
>> My Okay, my pronouns are always correct.
>> Sorry, the words always and correct are not pronouns in the English language.
I'm either going to determine that you are too stupid for the conversation or too disingenuous. Which one should I assume?
>> If you cannot handle a simple conversation.
>> Oh, I I can't. It seems like you can't.
>> You're forcing me to as a pronoun, right? You're forcing me to. You're not electing.
>> You You say that as you're using pronouns.
>> You are forcing me.
>> Would you like to have a conversation or you just force me to? I would love to, but if you're like disingenuous, why would I want to talk to you?
>> How is that disingenuous? If you're telling me that I must tell you a certain >> Would it be disingenuous if I was driving around in the car, looked at you, and said, "I don't drive cars."
>> So, I am a male.
>> That's That is your sex, >> but I didn't ask for your sex.
>> Glad that you were fortunate this to have a conversation.
>> I'll give you three more opportunities to answer and then I'm just going to drop you. though. What pronounce you >> drop me if you need to. If that this >> will be that will be considered you running by the way.
>> Me running is by ref by I have to say my pronoun.
>> Yes. You know how they say at McDonald's >> no shoes no service >> at the same time. The only baby here is the one who's refu who's getting all snowflaky over pronouns.
>> I'm flaky because I don't play the pronoun here.
>> Yes, you're being a snowflake. Just I just want to make that clear.
>> What pronouns do you use?
>> You're refusing to have a conversation until someone bends to their will.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm just refusing to answer I refuse answer I refu I refuse to have conver I refuse to have conversations with people who can't answer simple questions. It's as simple as that. You're disingenuous or you're just too stupid. It's probably both. So anyways, um we're going to move on um to someone who's not a big baby man.
Probably just a bigot. Oh, 100% Nin Baba. They were 100% they were a bigot.
All right, returning guest Green Fields.
Greenfields, welcome back. Um, you need a baby crying sound. I do have a baby crying sound. I should have used it. I forgot all about it. But anyways, Greenfields.
>> Yeah, you should.
>> Um, welcome back.
>> Whoa. I I just wanted to say this. Uh, cuz earlier uh Poke said that I could submit some sources, I believe.
>> H >> uh someone in the chat said that I could submit some sources >> for what? or references uh to anything like to prove a point or anything you said was false.
>> Yeah, you can give me sources.
>> Yeah. Okay. Um All right. No, I just wanted to make sure. And then how would I be able to show it?
>> You could just tell me I have a internet right here.
>> Oh, okay.
Says I said nothing of the sort.
Oh, okay. Yeah. So, I I can't go back and forth on my phone.
>> Yeah, I know.
>> All right.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Uh my bad. Uh give me one second. So, I I'll read you the source real quick and I'll be back.
This is riveting television, y'all.
By the way, it does blow my mind that a couple that a few of you do watch me on TV, which is crazy. I'm a TV star. Mom, look.
>> Anyways, um >> Okay. Uh hello.
>> Yeah. What's your source?
>> Uh so, uh the Cambridge University Press and the HTS Theological >> University Press.
Cambridge University Press.
Uh, the story about the Canaanite woman.
>> The Canaanite woman.
>> The non-gentile woman.
>> Non-gentile woman.
>> Uh, when you refer to Jesus calling her a dog.
>> Jesus dog.
All right. What is this supposed to be?
Well, earlier you had stated that there's different interpret Well, okay, I said it that there's different interpretations, but you had stated that this specific interpretation Jesus was outright calling her a dog.
>> Uh, but in Greek, uh, >> and it was a lesser, >> it literally says in this paper, the point of Jesus's analogy is that the proper order of events, children eat before puppies, Jews receive the benefits of his ministry before Gentiles.
Okay, continue.
>> The Syrophenician woman outwits Jesus by arguing that the puppies may eat simultaneously with the children. The interpretive upshot is that Jesus is saying is unlikely to be misogynistic or abusive based on what? But simply asserts Jewish priority. A priority that admits exception of change. So what dog is to refer to someone as a dog is not an insult.
I'm just saying to continue >> and that's the end of it. That was the last sentence.
>> And then >> so what was the point? What was the what was the evidence for this?
>> HS uh go to the HS theological.
>> All right. Um, HCS Theological.
I just typed in the words HCS Theological. Now what?
>> This one talks about how >> Wait, this one. What? I just typed in HCSD logical. Now what? What else do I type in?
That's just the Houston Theological Seminary.
>> The Canaanite woman referring in Korean context.
>> Canaanite woman.
>> I'm just pointing it out that it goes ahead and challenges authority of >> a a Christian website.
>> Do you think a Christian website would be very favorable towards the idea that Jesus was using a slur?
What do you think a Christian if I ask a Christian if Jesus used a slur? What do you think a Christian's going to say to me?
>> No, rightly sir. Yes. But >> is a a Christian going to be theologically motivated to say that Jesus wouldn't use a slur?
>> I'm not going to say he didn't outright use it. I'm just going to say that the Greek manuscript states that he was referred to as a puppy in a lesser term.
No. When you say dog, >> no, the dimun the dimunive forward for dog here doesn't mean puppy. Demunitive is like to lessen the less or something.
>> Like little dog. It's not they didn't have very positive views of puppies in Jewish culture in the first century. Dog was used repeatedly >> as a slur in the New Testament. You know, for example, outside of the dogs in reference to all the sinners.
>> Mhm. Now, answer the question I just posed to you. Do you think a Christian source is going to be theologically motivated to say that Jesus wouldn't use a slur?
>> I would not agree because I mean, as long as it's pure academic review, >> is it academic?
>> Isn't it the Christian position that Jesus was sinless?
Yeah.
>> So, if a Christian goes into the discussion with the with the assumption beforehand that Jesus can do no wrong and then they're presented with a passage where Jesus does wrong, what do you think is going to happen in the mind of that Christian?
>> Try to disprove it.
>> Try to disprove it. They're going to engage in what's called cognitive dissonance.
What does it say about dogs in Revelation 22?
>> Uh, give me one second and pull up my bubble.
>> Verse 15.
Uh, one second. One second. One second.
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>> You said verse uh what?
>> 22 verse1 152 verse 16.
I Jesus have sent my angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the apostle meaning David. I am the bright morning star.
>> You read verse 16. I said verse 15.
>> Oh for without are dogs and sorcerers and horongers and murderers and adulterers and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. This is the thing you cannot pick out verses because they all require context. We got to read the entire script. We got to read the entire verse in order to come to an understanding.
>> Oh, do you think that dogs is used in a in a in a positive way in this verse?
You think there's a context where dogs here is positive?
>> This is the thing you uh you could pick out a verse. Yes. But each verse requires you to back read the entire >> Can we show any passage in scripture where dogs is being used about someone and it's in a positive manner?
You won't be able to use it at all because it's dictionary.
>> No, not in the Bible. In the Bible, can we show any area where the word dogs is being used in a positive way?
>> I mean, but each time I mean, when Jesus is referring to us as dogs, he's always going to be testing our faith. Each time when we are set a challenge, Jesus is testing us. Now, whenever the girl got tested, Jesus saw how well she did and said, "True are you to your faith.
Here's every here's every instance that I found of the dogs in the New Testament. We have here Matthew 5:17 um where Jesus calls this woman a dog.
Actually, Matthew 7:16 says, "Give not that which is holy unto dogs. Neither cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet and turn again and ren you." That's negative.
>> Okay.
>> Luke 16:21, "And desiring to be fed with crumbs, she fell from the Richmond's table. Moreover, the dogs came and licked her sores. Dogs licking sores.
Not very positive.
>> Layman 3:2, "Beware of dogs. Beware of evil workers. Beware of the concision."
That's negative. But 2 Peter 2:22, "But it is happened unto them because of the true proverb, the dog is turned to its own vomit." Again, that's negative. And then verse revelation 22 verse1 15 for without our dogs and sorcerers and whoreongers and murderers every instance so far dogs is negative.
>> Okay. Can we backtrack to the one that dogs return to his vomit? We all know that Jesus speaks in analogies and riddles.
>> This wasn't Jesus talking.
>> It was okay. It was Luke. Matthew.
>> No, it's second Peter.
>> Okay.
My bad. It was second Peter. But these guys are taking the words from Jesus.
>> Do you No, this isn't a quote from Jesus. Do you think that this this quote about a dog is a positive quote?
>> Okay. Now, who does Jes uh Jesus administer to? To the healthy or to the sick?
>> To the sick.
>> Sick is a d that I don't know why you asked that.
>> I don't know why you asked that. That wasn't a response to my question. Is dogs being used in a posit Stop talking over me. Is dogs being used in a positive light in second Peter 2:22?
>> No.
>> No. Is it being used in a positive light in Matthew 7:6 minister to?
>> That's irrelevant. He ministered to the sick, but so what?
>> That doesn't that doesn't tell me whether or not the word dog is a derogatory word or not.
>> Okay, >> stop with the nonsequittors. They ain't going to help you here.
>> Is is dog a positive term in Matthew 7:6? Ye have not that which is holy unto dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine.
Is it positive or negative?
Give not which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast you pearls before swine, lest they trample them underneath their feet and turn again and run to you.
>> Now, now what do we glean by? What what what did >> what did we glean by reading it again after I already read it?
>> Judge not that you not be judged. For with judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged. And with that measure nonsequiter, >> be measured to you again. And why behold thou thy mo and is it in thy brother's eye, but considerest not thy beam that is in thy own eye. Okay. Thou hypocrite, first count out thy beam out of thy own eye, and then thou shalt see clearly to cast out th out of thy brother's eye.
Give not which is holy onto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they travel. Now, is dogs a positive word in this verse?
>> It's an analogy.
>> Is it positive or negative?
>> Analogy.
>> Is the analogy positive or negative?
>> The analogy is going to be negative because it's >> all right. Thank you. The dogs here is negative. Very, very good. Very good.
Now, read the defle 3:2.
>> Okay.
I'm sick. Uh, yesterday, >> no, no, no. Uh, two days ago, uh, wasn't the best day and I had let on screen, so that's why my voice sounds raspy.
>> Mhm. Bileman chapter 3:2.
>> Okay, hold on. Hold on.
Which one did you say again?
>> Biman chapter 3 verse 2.
I'm not finding by Leman, bro.
>> It's in the uh the Pauline epistles near the end.
>> Pauline epistles.
Is it in the New or Old Testament?
>> It's in the New Testament.
>> Okay.
>> You want me to just pull it up for you?
>> Yeah. Yeah, please. cuz I'm not finding it here.
>> Yeah.
All right.
>> That's what I'm saying.
>> Uh Fly, man.
Or was it Philippians?
>> I'm not trying to stop Pandora. I'm being honest because I'm not seeing Fman. Like I could read it from top to bottom from the New Testament.
>> Sorry. Philippians 3:2.
>> Okay, I see. My bad.
>> But it's on the list. It's on the screen now.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. Now go to the first verse.
>> Okay. To write the same thing to you is not troublesome to me. And for you it is not a it is a source of steadfastness.
Beware of the dogs. Beware of the evildoers. Beware of those who mutilate the flesh. Is dogs positive or negative here?
Okay. Now, what is Paul referring to?
Because it it states on top of that chapter.
>> Jesus [ __ ] >> Don't use my Lord's name in vain, please.
>> Jesus [ __ ] Christ. Answer the question. Is dogs being used here in the positive or in the negative?
>> He's using it to call us out.
>> Is it positive or is it negative?
>> Christian to a straight answer. Awesome.
>> Why are allerg Christians so allergic to giving straight answers?
>> He's calling this out. It's negative.
It's >> negative. It looks like every single instance of the word dog being used in the New Testament in the negative. So, I'm going to assume that's also negative when Jesus refers to the firian woman as a dog. There you go. That's my TED talk.
I love crickets.
>> You hear them a lot?
>> Uh, no. Sadly, in my area there's not that many.
Anyways, I got a lot of people quing to come up. You got anything else?
>> Uh, no, that's it, sir. You can go ahead and talk to them. Thank you for your time.
>> Jesus [ __ ] All right, Elijah McCrae, I'm going to ask you three preliminary questions. Question number one, are you at least 18 years old?
>> Yeah, bro. I'm 20.
>> Question number two, what pronouns do you go by?
>> They're always so They're always so put out by the question.
>> Just I'm just a regular guy, man.
>> A guy is not a pronoun.
>> I'm just a regular man. I'm just a regular dude.
>> Regular dude is not a pronoun.
>> Okay, then I don't know what else you want. I don't know. Do you not know what >> Do you not know what pronouns are?
>> Oh my word. This guy is so corny, bro.
>> He, him.
>> Yeah, he, him, whatever.
>> There you go. Your friend had an answer for you. Question number three. Are you a Christian?
>> Yes.
>> All right. I'm Dton the Bible Guy. What brings you up to the Bible Guy show, >> bro? Why? Why? So, I don't really like care like what you're I just want to know like why does it matter? Like why why does it matter? Why does Why does it matter to you? Why does it matter to you? What matters to me?
>> I just want to know. More like I was just curious.
>> Maybe I just think it's fun.
>> You You based your whole life on your whole character based off this TikTok.
>> Just my professional life you don't believe in.
>> Just my professional life. I have a public I have a private life that has nothing to do with any of this [ __ ] >> So like, but like you never answer my question. Like why does it matter?
>> Because it's fun. Also like you know Christian nationalism sucks pretty ass.
Okay. That Well, that's just your opinion.
>> Yeah, that's like totally your opinion, dude. Anyways, did you have anything of substance to talk about or did you want to just do meta cuz no one cares about it, >> bro? What is this? I'm sorry, bro. I can't with you. You are cordy.
>> Yeah, says the guy who came up to cry and by the way, they asked that question because they want me to stop because what we do is actually absolutely detrimental to Christianity. So, they have to sit there and cry about why you do what you do. I'm sorry. I get paid to do this and I think it's fun and I think the world's a better place with less Christians in it. So, if we can help people deconstruct, which we have, we'll all be better off.
All right. Muslims can't teach. I'm going to ask you three questions and then we'll get to the conversation.
Question number one, are you at least 18 years old?
>> Yes. Question number two, what pronouns do you go by?
>> I'm a man. I use he.
>> And then, what religion are you?
>> Truth.
>> Truth is not the name of any religion I'm familiar with.
>> Well, that's not my problem. Can we could talk now? Let's go.
>> Well, I don't know what religion you belong to.
>> I just told you.
>> That's not a religion.
>> Says who?
>> Says me.
>> If you can't So, what I believe in the Bible? Let's talk about the Bible.
>> Here, let me pull this thing out. I totally forgot all about this.
>> Believe in the Bible. I told >> There we go, guys. Got it.
>> Anyways, um >> let's talk about >> Well, what are you Jewish or are you Christian?
>> I'm not Jewish.
>> You're Christian.
>> Jewish?
>> No, I'm not Jewish.
>> Okay, then you're Christian.
>> Okay, let's go. I'm a Christian. Let's talk.
>> There we go. We got there eventually.
All right. I'm ding the Bible guy.
>> Truth is truth is the Bible.
>> The Bible's not true, though. So, that's [ __ ] Anyways, what did you want to come up and talk about?
>> Uh, why can't anybody speak without bringing up the Bible?
>> I like Marvel.
>> Then why don't you talk about Marvel?
>> Well, I just No, you just said, "Why can't anyone speak without bringing up the Bible?" I just spoke and I didn't bring up the Bible.
>> Yeah, but your whole thing is I'm the Bible guy.
>> Yeah, this is my job.
>> Yeah. So, what do you know about this word without using the Bible? What do I know about the Bible without bringing up the Bible? No.
>> What do you know about this world without bringing up the Bible?
>> Oh, gravity is real.
>> All your information, >> Gravity's real.
>> Gravity is real. Yeah, >> gravity is real. Okay. How was Earth created?
>> Um through Yeah, through gravity. 4.5 billion years ago. The where the billion star exploded. Star exploded. Star and plants formed. Oh. Oh, yeah. Through gravity working on helium and uh hydrogen.
>> Through gravity. And how did that make a human being?
>> How did that didn't make a human being?
A biogenesist created human beings eventually through evolution.
>> A biogenesis? Yeah. Who told you that?
>> I'm really not interested in giving you a science class.
>> Sounds ridiculous.
>> Uh, you're the one who has an imaginary friend >> because you can't because you ridiculous.
>> You're the one who has an imaginary friend and you're calling me ridiculous.
>> Why should I believe in the Bible?
>> Why are you muting me?
>> Why should I believe in the Bible?
You don't have to. His sheep hear his voice.
>> Oh, I don't have to.
>> Thank you for letting me know that I don't have to believe in the Bible. Nice to know that we agree. I'm so [ __ ] tired of the meta [ __ ] coming up here saying, "Why do you talk about the Bible?" Cuz it upsets you so much.
Obviously, Sloth Man, why are they all so weird? I know.
>> Anyway, Sloth Man, how old are you?
What are you doing?
>> That was not a good >> Did you join?
>> Wow. Even your even your friends realize how in a bunch of embarrassment you are.
Uh I hope they smart up and leave you.
Anyways, uh PZ, are you at least 18 years old?
>> Yeah.
>> And what pronouns you go by?
>> Uh he him.
>> And are you a Christian?
>> Yeah.
>> All right. I'm Dton the Bible Guy. What brings you up to the Bible Guy show?
>> Um, specifically I guess like I turn to Christianity or just more or less a higher power based on I mean I study neurology so I couldn't quite ground consciousness. So I had to ground it in something that was um >> So because you didn't have the answer to something you just decided to say God.
>> Not necessarily.
If you leave the screen, I won't be able to hear you.
>> My fault. I don't I don't know what that was. Um what's it called?
>> Yeah. No, not necessarily. I'd say because it's more rational to believe that it came from something.
>> Yeah. Consciousness comes from the brain.
>> Not necessarily like how it comes, but like more of the why.
>> There's no why. That's not That's not a coherent question. The only the only co the only coherent question to ask about consciousness is not why, but how.
Um okay then let me ask you how do physical interactions how are they intrinsically um experiential?
>> Yeah through sense we have sense organs that take in sense data and then our brain computes that sense data.
>> They take in sense data.
>> Yeah. So for example, light bounces off of objects and then that goes through my eyes. That's the sense organ. The sense data would be the the light bouncing off the object. The sense organ would be the eye. And that and that the light travels through and that gets like interpreted by the brain.
>> Do you understand the question I asked you?
>> Yes. Did you understand?
>> I did not answer the question.
>> The answer was [ __ ] It was actually terrible.
>> It wasn't.
>> I was No, it was terrible.
>> It wasn't.
>> It was cuz it had nothing to do with the question I asked.
>> The lie detector determined that that was a [ __ ] response.
intrinsically experiential.
>> What does that even mean?
>> Are you that stupid? You don't understand what that means. I >> I don't think it's a real It's not a meaningful statement.
>> It's not my fault. You >> are you one are you one of those Phil bro?
>> It's not my fault.
>> Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Poss. Are you one of those Phil bro and fuckables >> that is my fault you don't understand philosophy?
>> Oh, so you are the you are a Phil bro and [ __ ] Well, in that case, uh, I'm I'm going to bring up the Phil Bro timer.
>> Um, so anyways, this is the Phil Bro timer.
>> Uh, the Phil Bro timer is for Phil Bro unfuckable such as yourself.
>> [ __ ] Answer the question.
>> Yeah. Anyways, so you're going to listen to the rule book.
>> Yeah, you're going to answer the question.
>> The Phil bro rule book this much. Number one, I'm not running yet. I'm reading.
>> You're running.
>> Question number I mean point number one is you must talk at a measured pace.
Two, you have if you use technical jargon, that jargon must be explained.
Number three, explain to me like I'm your grandmother because I'm not the philosophy guy. Number four, your goal, and this is important for you. You're already teacuping. And this is important for you because I can get this already from you. Your goal in this debate must be to persuade me not to win a debate. I can get those the sense though that you're just here to kind of get a W. If that's your goal, then get the [ __ ] out.
And then number five, you have five minutes and that starts. And he ran away.
Oh no. Bible guy was holding my feet to the fire.
Just another guy. Wait guys, we don't call them incelss anymore. We call them unfuckables because that's what they are.
Anyways, we're going to read some super chats and then we'll bring up David next.
Um, let's see.
Atuka the goat win the5. Hello donor.
You and Justin worked key to my final steps of deconstructing. If Jesus didn't fulfill prophecy that I'd be wasting my time. Um, that is absolutely accurate.
If Jesus didn't fulfill prophecies from the Old Testament, then he's not the Messiah. And Christianity is false.
When sad, it's a it's a sad thing that no Christian has yet provided us with a prophecy from the Old Testament that Jesus actually fulfilled, you know?
Well, not really all that sad. I don't give a [ __ ] And then Carl Grimes with the $5. I deconstructed things to these channels.
And the reason I support these channels is to stop Christian nationalism. I do not want Handmaid's Tail IRL.
Facts. W to Carl Grimes with the based uh position. I guess David's not here anymore, so we'll talk to Eli.
Oh, no. David is here. My bad. Here, I'm gonna drop you real quick, Eli. as I promised. David, you're more than welcome to request back up, Eli. Okay, David, I'm going to ask David um three questions and we'll get to the conversation. Uh David, are you at least 18?
>> Wait, wait, wait. I just had a question, please.
>> Well, you can ask you can ask your question after we get done with the the preliminary question.
>> Are you at least 18?
>> Um, yes.
>> And what pronouns do you go by?
>> He him.
>> And are you a Christian?
No, I am an atheist as well.
>> Oh, okay. Uh, what brings you up, David?
>> I just wanted to ask you a question because, you know, you seem knowledgeable. I just wanted to ask you like what your thoughts are on like Islam's perspective of Jesus.
>> Um, it's they think that Jesus wasn't even crucified, which I think is historically inaccurate.
>> Um, besides that, I mean, they're just building on the myths of Christianity.
Oh, okay. Thank you. I just wanted to know cuz like you know you know what like they see as him like they still respect him and all this but like yeah I was just curious.
>> Yeah, Muhammad was just you know he was listening to Jews and Christians in the marketplace and then he maybe he had a mental breakdown or he's a con man.
Either way he used that information to build his religion.
>> All right, man. Thank you.
>> Have a good day.
All right, Eli.
Eli, I'm gonna ask you three questions, then we'll get to the conversation.
Question number one, are you at least 18 years old?
>> Yes.
>> Uh, all right. Question number two, what pronouns do you go by?
>> I, him, >> he, him, >> him.
>> There we go. And question number three, are you a Christian?
>> Yes. Yes.
>> Your friend doesn't need to answer for you. Um, Eli, I'm Dton the Bible Guy.
What brings you up to the channel?
>> Uh, we just wanted while me and my friend are here, we just wanted to know a little bit about like what your beliefs are. Like are you an atheist?
Like what what do you believe?
>> Oh, my bad gang. We didn't see that. Um, my one friend had a question. Um.
>> Oh yeah. Where do you go when you die, bro?
>> Um, probably a cemetery.
>> Like your soul.
>> Like your soul.
>> Oh, I don't have one. Well, my souls will be buried with me. They'll be in my shoes and you know that's where they'll be also.
>> So like why why do you like believe that? Like why do you think that? Well, I believe that my souls will be buried with me because souls are in the bottom of my shoes and generally when they bury you, they bury you with shoes on.
>> No, I don't.
>> Oh my gosh. Like, so you think it's just going to be a black screen is what you're saying when you die?
>> No. No. A black screen would still be something.
>> Like, what do you think? Like, it's like you're trying to get out of the questions. Like, >> no, I'm not getting out of the question.
>> Like the souls are your [ __ ] >> Here, I'll answer your question. What happens to us after we die is the same thing that your elbow sees.
>> Oh.
>> Um, like >> that's a crazy.
>> What's the point of life then? Like, >> well, I I think it's to, you know, have fun, have sex, uh, have good times while you can.
>> Who created us?
>> That's why you're a fat loser.
Oh, that was a Christian, by the way, everyone. That was probably a Christian in the background using body slurs. You know what they say. But anyways, um, but what's the what was the question? Before your friend said something really stupid.
>> How do you think we were created?
>> Oh, my parents had sex. That's how I was created.
>> How do you think they were created?
>> Same thing. Yeah.
>> How do you think How do you think the be like everything started?
>> Humanity. How was humanity?
>> Humanity.
>> Oh, we evolved. Yeah. From other species.
>> From what? Homoctus.
>> How did that species evolve?
>> Through the process of natural selection.
>> Are you just wanting to >> from the very beginning?
>> Okay. There is no beginning. The universe has always existed as far as I >> The universe has always existed as far as I can tell.
>> Ban you >> like I need like actual proof, not just say like, "Oh, this happened."
>> Well, no. I No, I need proof.
>> I need proof.
>> This show This chill out, bud. This show isn't about me making you into proving atheism to you. It's about you proving Christianity to me. I don't need to give you any proof. Uh, I'm not convinced that.
>> Okay, provide evidence for that.
>> The Bible.
>> The Bible's the claim, not evidence.
Prove that the Bible's true.
>> Have you ever read it?
>> Well, I am called the Bible guy.
>> So, wait. Yeah. Why are you called the Bible guy if you don't believe in it?
>> Because I know the Bible better than you do.
>> I'm sorry. That's so dumb, bro.
>> Get this guy out of here. You pro you never like I don't know what Bible you're reading.
>> It's just a bunch of jackass just a bunch of jackass kids sitting around in a circle jerking each other off. It's so funny.
>> We're just talking about it.
>> Dude, you probably get off this and like cuz you don't have God in your life.
>> Uhhuh. Yeah. Oh my god. I don't have God in my life. So it's so sad. Oh my god. I just roll I just roll around naked on a pile of money. So sad. But anyways, >> um, did you have anything anything of substance to say now?
>> It's just it's crazy that >> two dot two dot says ain't a woman in sight.
>> Yeah. Anyways, boys, y'all have anything of substance to say to me.
>> Uh, it's you're a tough one. It's, you know.
>> Mhm.
>> Understand why you think like that?
Like, >> yeah, it doesn't really make sense. I don't know why if it was the way you were raised or [ __ ] >> I was raised Christian.
>> So what >> like what happened there?
>> Yeah. What happened?
>> Oh yeah. I read I I read this book over here and it made me into an atheist.
This book right here.
>> What version is that?
>> Oh. Oh. This is the version does the version doesn't matter. I just mean I read the Bible. I ended up learning to read Hebrew.
>> It does matter.
>> Well I learned to read the original Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek.
You are so full of it.
>> Really?
>> Come on.
>> Can you read Genesis 1:1 to me in Hebrew?
>> Yes. In the beginning, God created the heavens.
Here, use your big boy years. I said I said, >> "So, you read the Bible, right? Like what in the Bible is like I don't I don't this is >> like what in the Bible make you not want to believe this stuff?
>> Well the part of it was right >> the flat earth stuff was pretty silly.
>> Doesn't the Bible say something about curvature? I don't think it says anything about flat earth.
>> Yeah, it calls the earth a circle. What is a circle?
>> I don't know. Do you ever ask yourself that?
>> I mean did you go to did you did you pass did y'all pass prek? Do you know the difference between a sphere and a circle?
>> Why are we even talking about that?
>> You asked about the Bible talking about flat earth. So, I'm giving you evidence, bud.
>> You did.
>> You brought it up.
>> Yeah. You said, "Why don't you believe in the Bible?" I said, "The earth is flat." You said it says something about curvature, >> which you all wouldn't know anything about curvature. You probably never touch you've never touched a woman. But, uh, yeah. But is a fl is a circle does a circle is a circle flat or is it sphere or is it threedimensional?
It's flat.
>> Does the Does the Bible does the Bible describe the Earth as being a sphere or as being a circle?
>> Okay. So, but how come every other single planet is a sphere?
>> Gee whiz. That wasn't answering my question.
>> Well, if you let me talk.
>> I didn't ask about the other planets, bud. I believe that the Earth is a sphere and that the planets and that the planets are spheres. But the question was, the question the question was, Eli and friends, >> what does the Bible say the shape of the earth is?
>> Bro, he was literally going to answer your question. All you do is interrupt people.
>> Na says, "Does hugging their mo their mommies count as touching a woman?" I mean, maybe. Now, um, Eli, >> what does the Bible say?
>> They're getting absolutely [ __ ] roasted right now. It's so funny. So, Eli in France, what does the Bible say the shape of the earth is?
>> So embarrassing.
>> Oh, to be 20 and dumb. Young, dumb, and stupid again, you know. Anyways, >> explain to me, explain to me why you think the earth is flat.
>> I don't think the earth is flat. The Bible thinks the earth is flat. That's why I don't That's why I don't That's why I don't believe in the Bible, bud.
>> We got the circles. All right. And you said circles are flat. All right, keep going.
>> And the Bible says that God sits above the circle of the earth, not the spheres, the circle.
>> Circles are flat, right? And if the Bible says to Christianity, >> is that really their best response?
>> That was, by the way, that wasn't a that wasn't that wasn't a that wasn't a response, by the way, to the thing I just said. That was you offuscating because you have no rebuttal.
>> That whole statement, >> that whole verse. So, no, but like I'm laughing because you just said that that the reason why you don't believe in Christianity is because of that verse.
>> Oh, I don't believe in Christianity because Jesus didn't fulfill any prophecies from the Hebrew Bible.
Therefore, he's not the Messiah.
>> Okay.
>> Can you elaborate?
>> I mean, I thought that was self-explanatory, but all right. In the Hebrew Bible, there are pro there are prophecies about the Messiah. Jesus didn't fulfill any of them. Therefore, not the Messiah.
>> Have you boys read the Bible, >> bro? No. I mean, I we absolutely have.
It's just You're such a cornball, bro.
>> So, what prophecy did Jesus fulfill? No one gives a [ __ ] >> No one gives a [ __ ] >> No one gives a [ __ ] What do you think, Eli? I got 11.7,000 people that love me and you got two guys in the corner jerking you off right now. Now, Eli, what prophecy from the Hebrew Bible did Jesus fulfill?
>> Hold on.
>> What if you die? All right. You go.
>> That's a nice >> I don't remember that being a prophecy from the Hebrew Bible.
>> What if you die and go to hell?
>> That's what he said. What if you what if what if what if you die and go to hell?
Like because it turns out you were if you what if it turns out that Islam is true?
>> I have faith.
>> Yeah. Sleep with an underage.
>> I'm safe.
>> I agree. But if it turns out Islam is true, then you boys are going to burn in hell with me.
>> But that's a whole another debate about them. If Judaism is true, by the way, if Judaism is true and Jesus isn't the Messiah because he didn't fulfill prophecy, which you guys didn't even address because you can't, um, then you guys are also going to burn in Gehenna for like worshiping a man as if he were God.
No one gives a [ __ ] that you have faith.
Faith is the uh belief without evidence.
Faith is a good faith is gullibility.
>> My gosh, bro. This guy's This guy. No disrespect, bro. You're You're kind of dumb.
>> I Oh, I know. All you >> I know, boys. All you've got are ad homonyms and you have no you have given me no real rebuttals to anything that we've said >> cuz your your things are so dumb, bro.
I'm literally laughing at you. I say I think the only dumb people here are the three jackasses who've refused to actually engage with any of the of the things that have been said to them because you don't have any real rebuttals because y'all given a cursory glance at the Bible while your priest was butt [ __ ] you on Sunday afternoon. But anyways, we've had fun absolutely u embarrassing you um children and and we'll think for you Eli. Um, you all have fun with your orgy.
How embarrassing.
God damn, I really laid it into them.
All right, hopefully we can get some actual contest contend contenders to come up and talk to us. Um, man, real deal Renfro, welcome back um to the live. What brings you back up?
>> What? So just kind of listening to that conversation um you had talked about the point in life is to have sex and do what else was it?
>> Have fun and live life. Love your friends, love your family.
>> That's the point of my life.
>> And so like do you aim for any morality like besides your own?
>> Yeah. I try to work towards the fairness and wellbeing of as many people as I possibly can.
towards towards the fairness of what was it? Sorry.
>> The fairness and well-being of a many of as many peace people as I possibly and reasonably can.
>> Okay. And so like um is this just your own interpretation of morality that you kind of try to fulfill?
>> Yes.
>> And you're not going off of any structure or foundation?
>> The structure and foundation of well-being and fairness.
Well, I mean, that's kind of subjective, would it not be?
>> No, it's objectively um not in accordance with the well-being of an individual to cut their head off.
>> That's objective.
>> I would agree with that. Uh this is kind of like a um and we don't have to go super deep into this particular subject, but this is a controversial one that um that does come up and where you kind of have people that are split. Some people that it is um immoral to trans a kid and give them drugs and surgery and some people think that it is moral.
>> No, no one gives surgery to to minors.
Minors don't receive bottom surgery until at least they're 18. And there's nothing immoral about not about, you know, giving children um a gender affirming care. It's better to have trans kids than dead kids, I say.
>> Well, well, now you just made the claim that it is not immoral, right?
>> Now, that's your subjective opinion.
Now, we also have people that would contest that and say that it is immoral >> based on what?
>> So, now you're just going off of your own personal preference. Correct.
>> Yeah. Now, >> do you think the world should just now subdue to your personal preference?
>> Sure, why not? Unless you can provide us unless you can provide us with some sort of objective standard, but I've never heard a Christian, not a single Christian, ever provide evidence for there being any objective morals. The best they can do is tell me how much they don't like subjective morals, which isn't really an an argument for objective morals.
>> Well, the whole foundation of objective morality is to have like aim at something, right? the goalpost aim at like >> I have an aim.
>> Well, you have you have no you have your own personal aim, right?
>> Yeah, but it's still an aim.
>> Well, of course, but if each individual person had their own aim, which I think that that's what you think, right? That each individual should aim.
>> I usually a lot of me and a lot of my friends share the same goal, fairness and wellbeing. Put a warning in the comment section if your goal is also fairness and well-being.
>> Yeah, I mean, of course. I think that's fair. I think that's totally fair. Um, but at the same time, fairness and well-being is very vague. And that once again, I just gave an example of why that can be a treacherous slope because once again, some people like yourself think that it's totally fine to drug kids.
>> We give drugs, we give drugs to kids all the time. If you have a kid that's has cancer, will you not give them the proper drugs for like chemotherapy?
>> Well, is chemotherapy saving their life?
Yes. And is is uh stunting their puberty sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry about that >> saving their life yes >> it is that a 100% fact or is that just a subjective opinion >> these otherwise these kids are end up going a lot of these a lot of these kids end up killing themselves don't they >> okay so what you're saying is it's a 100% fact which means if they do not receive the care they will kill themselves >> oh no there's a likely to scientific niche welcome to the live and you're more and this is my science science expert on this. Uh so go ahead snitch.
>> Well it's not just like I'm so I'm not an expert in regards to like being a oncologist. However, I am a researcher and I directly do research on like specifically cancer currently. So I am pretty well informed in this field and that's just my background. So I'm a graduate student and I'm pursuing my masters and then PhD. Um, so that's just my qualifications here for that and I've been doing research for over 2 years now. As far as like cancer research goes, there's been a study on the comparison between conventional which is chemotherapy and then alternative medicines um in regards to cancer uh like the survival rate for cancer patients and those who opted out of chemotherapy had up to a five o over fivefold increased risk of mortality.
And we know this because cancer is very treatable with current chemotherapies and amunotherapies. And opting out of those therapies um to try to quote unquote heal the cancer on your own just does not work unless you're the one ina million person who has a spontaneous remission which is just random chance and luck and it does not actually have any kind of repeatable and reliability in regards to whether or not your child will on a lie. So, you are taking a significant risk by opting out of chemotherapy. And it doesn't necessarily like yes, you're going to in some way have some side effects, but I guarantee you that the side effects of chemotherapy are a hundred times um better than not having your kid at all because your kid had a metastasis that ended up taking their lives.
>> I don't think that's even up for debate on chemotherapy. I'm not quite sure why that um but that's not really the conversation at hand. Like of course chemotherapy can help a child but I'm saying giving a child hormone blockers and Lupron, right? Which chemically >> cast that might be yeah that might be that might be necessary if we're talking about a gynecological or a breast cancer that occurs in let's say a teenager with a bracket 2 mutation. That's a very common cancer mutation that can result in breast cancer. Perhaps you have something.
>> But you keep going on on cancer. That's not That's not what I'm talking about.
I'm talking about giving kids Lucron to gender affirm them.
>> How does how is that? He He said it's a 100% clear. To be clear, it it is it is absolutely necessary if we It's either that or dead kids. Which one do you want? Dead kids or >> No. No. So, so what just just to make sure what you're claiming is that if you don't give them Lupron, they will kill themselves. Now, you have to proof >> to be clear to be clear, not every trans kid is going to kill themselves, but the likelihood of them killing themselves is going to be less insignificantly if we give them gender affirm.
>> So, wait, wait, wait. Before we get move on, would you be against having your like let's say a child who is being severely bullied because they have gynecomastia which is a naturally occurring condition in men where they start to grow breast tissue. Would you be against them removing that gynecomastia?
>> If they're being severely bullied >> uh of course I would. Yeah, we would look into >> Wait, you would be against that?
>> That would be the last option. the very last option.
>> So you would be against removing unnatural like >> you would be against removing naturally growing breast tissue that should not necessarily be there in a normal condition.
>> Well, okay. So if you're saying that we must make appearance standards according to society and what society says should be good, >> then is that what you're aiming for?
like we have to just cut our bodies up to to make our bodies look good.
>> I'm not saying that you have to abide by it, but what I'm saying is it would be the right thing to do if that child is suffering from subjective. That's subjective though. That's your personal opinion.
>> I can speak on I can speak on this as somebody who has had over six surgeries because I've got hyperotal hyper mobile ellers dam syndrome. It's diagnosed.
I've had my ribs slip out. I've had multiple bunions on my feet. Um, my my family is really heavily like they're religious and they're against anesthesia. So, I never got these surgeries when I was a kid and I nearly had my entire college experience uprooted and my graduate career ruined because I had to get so many surgeries.
So, you would rather hold off on it because you're against it personally even though your child is suffering. Am I am I correct?
Ju just to make clear, I mean your specific situation is that you were in physical pain 24/7 and then you elected to go through >> No, not physical pain 24/7. Just a lot of my joints were starting to go.
>> So, for example, the joints on my toes, they were starting to turn in because I have very hyper mobile joints. So, it's not something that's entirely necessary, but in the same way that some parents opt to have their kids have braces, like my parents just opted out of like investigating these areas of my health in order to get me the surgeries for these conditions. Um, and in the same way, like if you have a child who's being bullied with gynecomastia and you have a very painless, a very harmless, like the risks of the surgery versus the benefits in regards to their mental and physical health >> because let's be honest, mental health is in a way physical health, >> especially when we're talking about bullying. So, >> well, something that would benefit both them mentally and physically, you're against that. But like let's say forcing your kid to get like braces, that's not something you're against.
>> Okay, just so I can jump in here because there was quite a lot um because there's a lot of subjective feelings because suffering does build character 100%. And I understand that a lot can you build character if you're dead.
explain further >> the kids who are trans who don't receive gender affirming care who end up killing themselves >> percentage of that please give me give me the statistics on that cuz you said 100%.
>> If they don't get the drugs they will die now you got no it's not 100%. I agree.
>> But we do know that we do know that like uh when it comes to people who are like receiving gender affirming care that don't give me transition.
>> Yeah. 93% of transition improvement from >> Yeah. I got a paper here uh given to us from my friend Joan Bradley.
>> Um let me see.
>> Let me see. um >> 93% and by the way >> from Cornell University uh what does the scholar research say about the effect of gender transition on transgender well-being and it shows that we have 93% uh have increased well-being as a result of receiving gender affirming care.
>> Okay, you know that's actually thank you for providing a study that actually has some weight to it. Now, there's obviously experts that disagree because now we look at every single country outside of Canada, I believe, is the last one, ban surgeries and drugs for minors. Is that correct or incorrect?
>> They ban drugs for minors.
>> No, no. Uh um >> no transition transitioning >> also. So, wait. If a if a if a little girl develops like like breasts way too early, then they they don't allow Wait, no. I I need some clar I need some clarification here. Are you saying that these countries are not allowing like little girls, for example, who develop breasts way too early in life that to they don't allow for breast reduction surgery?
>> Let me let me just ask a question again cuz I maybe you're not understanding.
Did every single country in the world except for Canada ban transition surgeries and uh transition drugs?
>> I don't know.
>> Please look at that.
>> And I don't know, but neither but neither do I care >> because the studies demonstrate but the studies I don't care because the studies demonstrate >> that we have an improved sense of well-being for these children.
>> So this is not true. Also, this is not true. Um, so there's countries >> countries still do.
>> Yeah. So Finland, Sweden, Norway, France, >> they all banned it and >> huh, >> they all banned it.
>> No, they didn't. It's it's under strict uh it's under restricted clinical access, which basically means that even though it's basically under strict guidelines, meaning that you need it in research settings or exceptional cases.
So it's not right out banned and just it should be mentioned that in the EU they do it they have a different way of doing things where they outright ban basically everything and then they systematically go through the literature over time in order to release bands off of those things which I honestly disagree with because they don't actually >> when it comes to like for example um with the FDA specifically and uh this is just a very commonly cited thing uh ingredients in food when it comes to like doses instead of providing like a a specific limit for specific ingredients and doing the research on like harm reduction, they just outright ban the ingredient regardless of whether or not it's actually harmful at at the dose that it's provided in. So like when we're talking about the EU versus the US, there's very different ways in which things are done. one is uh hazard I I believe it's like hazard elimination or something like that and then we work on like risk reduction based off of actual data and dosages.
>> Um and currently there is no data to suggest that puberty blockers like in children and in adolescence are going to have a significant impact on their ability to grow up afterwards. Um so it it doesn't appear as though that there's significant issues here. So the whole point of what I was saying is that multiple countries have if not banned completely then like you said made it extremely extremely difficult and extreme supervision when it used to be to where if you just wanted to like in America if you just wanted to go in and get that with parental consent you could just do that was sued the follow you have to follow the W path >> Kaiser was sued for doing double masectomies on children and giving them uh Lupron.
>> So in America we have to follow the W path.
>> Um you know you have to show you that you're consistent insistent and uh consistent >> parental consent.
>> Yeah. Which what's wrong with that?
>> What's wrong with that?
>> Well here here's my point right is that there there's people going back to the whole morality foundation. You said 93% is good, right? That that say that through the um I forget which university you said >> Cornell >> stating that this is Cornell saying this is fantastic but then multiple countries have now banned it which contradicts that that experts can be wrong. Right.
Experts show us the peer-reviewed literature that contradicts the one I just brought.
>> No, this had nothing to do with trans individuals. the double mistctomies uh lawsuit that you're talking about was specifically on breast cancer risk and um so here let me specifically discuss this. So the lawsuit focused on uh Premro and Premarin Prover which was widely prescribed to millions of women in the 1990s and early 2000s to treat menopause symptoms. So, we're talking about postmenopausal women.
>> That's not Which one was it?
>> Uh, >> I cannot look at my uh like I can't research it because I'm on this app, but um >> because it also should be mentioned that um minors cannot receive gender affirming care without like approval from a psychologist.
>> Well, Colorado, what was it about 3 years ago made it 15 years or older, right? up until the day before 18 can come from neighboring states without parental consent to get drugs or or top surgery.
>> I don't know if what you're saying is true.
>> That's that's so not true.
>> Just please fact check me.
>> Yeah.
>> 2021 or 2022.
>> You said 2021, right?
around that area. Maybe 2021, 2022, maybe 2023. Right. Right around that area.
>> Where where's the source for this?
>> You know that if I give you the source, I'll have to exit out or at least pause this uh And I assume from your silence that you are seeing something along those lines.
>> I'm seeing >> No, I'm trying to find it.
>> I'm seeing no.
>> Yeah, I'm I'm saying like they do need permission.
Yeah, it's highly restricted.
I'm not seeing anything here that says that um gender affirming care may be given without >> Can you give me one second?
>> Parental consent.
>> Is that Is that okay or no?
>> Yeah, go ahead.
>> Okay, thanks. Hold on.
>> God damn. If it wasn't for Jovon being on the line right now, I would have had him on already.
Let's see. Discusses Colorado's legal dispute over transgender care, but that's just transgender care for minors.
>> Gender care minors Colorado.
Uh, what was I going to look up? Without psychologist, >> I see Colorado.
>> Yeah, it's strictly prohibited without psychological evaluation.
mandatory for a minor seeking care. I'm not seeing anything here that says that >> I'm trying to get Oh, sorry.
I don't think it is. I'm trying to get uh we have someone in the community who is a gender affirming care doctor in Colorado by chance. So, I'm trying to get him on the line >> to pop by. I'm not sure if he's online right now, but um from what I know, that's what he said is completely false.
um in my conversations with this person.
He's a he's a psychiatrist in Colorado.
So, just trying to get a hold of him.
>> Yeah. What's their name?
>> Uh they go by Lucian on here right now.
Um >> Oh, Lucian Vellum.
>> Yep. He's a psychiatrist in Colorado who provides gender affirming care.
>> So, it's a emancipated minors are allowed to do it.
>> Oh, they're emancipated. 15 and up.
>> Well, they're still 15, but they're minors.
>> They don't need a parents consent because they're emancipated.
Well, once again, my point is they're a minor and they're able to get it.
>> But also, I got a Apparently I have an expert coming in who uh thinks you're full of [ __ ] >> That's okay.
>> But where's your source?
>> It's not I'm not Okay.
>> Also, just so you know, even if they're emancipated, um I I still saw that it's still with psychological evaluation. So again, you still need to be seen by a doctor. You still need to be evaluated and you still need to have the proper tests and examinations done to even receive treatment. So my point still stands is that you can't just willy-nilly walk into a doctor's office and ask for puberty blockers without any psychological evaluation. That was my point is like puberty blockers generally speaking are safe and effective at what they're doing. They are reversible.
>> It's not an issue.
>> That's a vague subjective. It's also to be clear to be clear to be clear real you've yet to provide any sort of objective uh anything in this conversation your entire the whole the whole reason we got on this trans thing in the first place is because you have a huge problem with subjective morals and you've yet to provide any evidence for the existence of objective morals.
>> Uh touche, you know, I will give you that that I I said from the beginning I don't want to go too deep into the whole trans thing and now we've really gotten into that. The whole point was you said for your own personal opinion that it is okay and moral to give drugs to children. Yes. Because I don't want dead kids.
>> I Okay, I get it. And you said it's 100% a fact that if you give them those drugs, they will save their lives.
>> I will say this. It is you are less likely to get dead kids if you give them gender affirming care. And I don't want dead kids.
>> Can you provide evidence for an objective moral standard now?
So okay, objective morality comes into where you're reaching the goal of rules set upon you that is not your personal opinion, right?
>> I have goals that I set upon myself that I achieve.
>> No, no, and that's totally fine. You know, everyone can have goals, but uh when everyone has their own subjective opinion, like you have your own >> again again again can you give an argument for objective morals that isn't just well if you go by a subjective opinion then this is the consequence of it. I want a positive argument for the existence of objective morals.
>> So that would be the Christian ethics, right?
>> Christian ethics aren't objective.
>> Are they are an objector? They are not an objective.
>> They're not they're not objective. if they come from God.
>> Well, that's the whole goalpost objective morality, right? You're reaching the objective.
>> No, no, that's not what objective means and objective morality. Objective means that it's stance independent. Subjective means that it's stance dependent. As long as you have an agent that has a mind and a stance and the moral and the moral framework is coming from that moral agent, it is a subjective u moral statement.
The only way that Christian ethics can be objective is if they exist even independently of God's own positions.
So the way I've always viewed it is that you can reach the objective moral like through a set of morals that are listed from God that are not your own because every time you stray from and go into your own personal perspective. Well, I feel like I just want to say >> you're conflating two different meanings of the word objective >> in social in in moral discourse. So it so it cannot >> in moral discourse objective means stance independent. It's not about reaching and objective. That's a different definition of the word objective.
>> Okay. Can you uh can you just kind of explain to me in layman's terms the stance um >> I'm sorry >> stance that you were saying because I I don't fully understand. By the way, I am trying to understand everything as much as I can as well.
>> Subjective means that the moral statement is stance dependent. It's dependent on a mind and upon a subject that is given a stance.
>> Objective means >> your own personal >> that it is independent of any individual or any subject's stance or mind.
>> So like the ten commandments correct?
>> The ten commandments are God's subjective stance. Therefore they're subjective. They're God's stance.
real. If if I were to ask you the question, does something become good because God commands it or does he command things because they're good?
>> Ask it one more time. Sorry.
>> Does something become good once God commands it? Or does he command things because they're good?
Fantastic question because I know in the Old Testament, God commanded things that we would perceive to be not good, right?
And part of the New Testament definitely contradicts those such as um uh sacrificing animals.
Look, I'm just I'm just asking like look if God if God commands something, >> does that thing become good because he's commanded or does he only command the things that are good?
>> Yeah, that's uh that would be on the personal subjective opinion of the individual which then >> it's a dichotomy. It's either the case >> Mhm.
>> that he commands things because they're good or it's the case that he uh or things become good once he commands them.
Now, the problem, look, if you're not willing to commit yourself to an answer here because you're either not will, you know, willing to defend that position or you just don't know, that's fine. But the problem >> what >> more they don't know, but >> well, it's either the case that if if he commands things because they're good, then morality is exttrinsic to God. He's not the source of it. He doesn't decide what is good.
>> There's a feature of the universe or of reality that is good, and he just commands those things. He helps us get there, right? Which means he's not the grounding of goodness. Now, on the other hand, if he if things become good once he commands them, then goodness is arbitrary and it is certainly subjective because it's indexed to his preference or his stance.
>> Mhm.
So either way, I mean, if it's the case that you hold the former, right, that morality is just a feature of reality and he commands that good things exist, well then we could just hold the same position and then you can't hold, you know, this notion that God gave it to us is irrelevant.
>> Very true. And I I totally agree with you on that standpoint to where if we're aiming at uh things that we perceive to be good and we think that they they are good then we are leaning into subjective stances and um no it's look it's the truth maker of the proposition. Look, if we have a proposition like the moon exists, right?
The truth maker of that proposition is not someone's position on it or opinion or stance, right? There's an objective feature of reality. The moon does exist.
So, it doesn't matter if you have an opinion about it existing or not. It that's there's an objective feature.
>> The truth maker is not a stance. Now, >> alternatively, the statement like I like ice cream, that's only made true because of the stance I have. And what we're saying is that moral propositions are made true by stances. We have stances toward propositions. And even in your view, I do believe that morality is subjective because it's indexed to God's preferences. God has the preference that like I don't know, kicking puppies is wrong, so therefore it's wrong.
>> Mhm.
So yeah. Okay. My viewpoint on the goalpost objective morality is incorrect. And that was never never meant to be that that way. Like if you if you're aiming towards something like you let's say you you're you're mad at someone that did something to you and your first inclination is maybe to you know punch them in the because you're grounding yourself in something bigger than your own personal preference in that moment in time. Then you're like aiming towards morality that's bigger than your own.
>> It'll always be a personal preference.
It'll always be a personal preference.
your personal preference is that you just want >> you just want to obey God is your personal preference >> and and I want to strive for fairness and wellbeing >> which is you know either way but either way it's a personal preference and it's also subjective morals whether you're a Christian >> or you're not Christian you're always striving for a subjective moral stance >> um the thing is >> I like that that's a great breakdown by the way I appreciate the um the examples on everything but then wouldn't it be what is the best way is is your own personal preference like to where you have no no foundation.
>> I I have a foundation the best way.
>> I have a foundation fairness and wellbeing and it's a far better one than what does it's better than what does an is an ancient Israel like God say >> because ancient Israelite God I have Christians who come up here and tell me that slavery is okay >> um because the Bible says it's okay. I have Christians that tell me it's okay for innocent women to be raped >> um for to punish someone else >> because that >> because the Bible has God making two women get making women innocent women get raped.
>> Um >> is that Old Testament or New Testament?
>> Old Testament. But God isn't changing according to Christian theology.
>> It's the same God.
>> Jesus fulfill the new covenant and like once again just like with the New Testament. just real quick if you don't mind if you just so I can understand cuz I'm not very I'm not fully educated but I always willing to learn but didn't Jesus say you know like I said you cannot you should not sacrifice animals blood anymore because I'm sacrificing my own just a small example >> this isn't this isn't about the law of Moses this is what God this there's not a law in the law of Moses as you should have innocent women raped no God David pissed off God and then God punished David by having David's wives who had done no wrong having them raped.
>> Okay. But then now didn't Jesus say do not commit adultery which would 100% >> Wait. So if a man commits if a man commits adultery, >> should we have his wife raped?
>> Of course not. Did Jesus say that?
>> No. But that's what God did.
>> The Old Testament.
>> Yeah. But is God good?
So once again I'm trying to go if into what is the best foundation on morality how to live how do one's live one's life and so far Jesus's teachings are far better than any personal opinion or old testament >> Jesus said we ought to obey the law of Moses >> but again >> okay so he would he would condone Jesus would condone raping >> wait I I just I have to ask a question because you brought up adultery um and adultery is not rape Um, so like I I I just need to ask, do you think that a husband can grape his wife?
>> No.
>> That is insane.
What the [ __ ] >> Oh, that they can. Of course they can.
They shouldn't. They ought not to.
>> Well, that has nothing to do with adultery. You're not committing adultery if you rape your wife. So, are you saying that's okay?
>> No. No. Of course that's not okay. And to be clear, the the incident with David's wives being raped, that has nothing to do with the law of Moses.
That was God >> who is allegedly in your worldview the moral arbiter of what is good.
>> God that Jesus's >> Sorry to interrupt on the mount is probably so far because I'm not fully educated. I I will admit I didn't read the whole Bible.
>> What do you think Jesus's position on on God was? Do you think Jesus believed that God always did what was right?
I I don't know. I I don't know the answer to that question.
>> Hey guys, sorry to interrupt. Can we put a pin in this for like like 35 seconds?
Um Dalton, uh the Lucian is here. He can answer some quick questions about Colorado gender firm and care and then we can maybe circle back. We don't we don't often have an expert in the very particular thing we're dealing with. So, it's nice to have Lucian here.
>> Yeah, >> what's up? Um so there there was a question that came up around um gender affirming care in Colorado for minors and the contention that was levied by real is that someone can come from out of state um without parental guidance and get gender affirming care maybe I missed any something else real is that it >> and then looking into it said that if they are emancipated they can if they're 15 years old >> Colorado does recognize uh emancipated minors as adults in certain situations.
One of those situations being medical exceptions as well as living exceptions.
>> Um however, that doesn't necessarily mean that they can come from, let's say, Utah or Arizona or even the states that support it like California, come into our state and then demand gender affirmation care without prior authorization from either their insurance or being properly evaluated by a board-certified Colorado doctor.
Okay. But in the state, they will allow it if they're from Colorado.
>> If they're if they have if they are emancipated in Colorado and they're from Colorado, they can seek gender affirmation care. Yes. However, >> but they still have to go through psychological like evaluation, right?
>> Correct. You need at least uh so again, this is kind of a gray area for some uh there is such a thing as an emergency acceptance, but that's incredibly rare and we typically don't see it. Um, you'll need at least two consecutive years and you have to follow the SIP rule which is to be consistent, insistent and persistent. Uh, it needs to be qualified by no less than two medical professionals. One of them can be a primary care physician and the other one has to be a psychologist or psychiatrist. Uh, or you can get two individual opinions from psychology, psychiatry, etc. >> Can I give a hypothetical situation if that's okay?
>> Sure. Um, so if there are parents that are very very pro um pro-gender fluidity and they raise their child from being, you know, let's say 5 years old, put him in in the opposite like let's say it's a boy, put him in a dress, put a lipstick on and just affirm that their whole life. They really, really believe in this. And then get the doctors, get them all good to go like, "Hey, look, this is a girl for sure." And then, hey, the day you turn 15, we're going to get you emancipated. Boom. Now, the whole reason I was talking about that is because they were saying minors do not have that ability, but now it's been proven that they do have that ability.
>> Is that even the possibility of something like that happening?
>> No, because the hypothetical you posed has quite a few fallacies to begin with.
one, even if a parent were to consistently and constantly tell this child that was maybe born male that they are in fact a woman, um they they aren't going you're talking about a nature versus nurture case and nurture can only do so much. It's not going to automatically revert their uh neurobiological behavior to suddenly be feminine. um they may have certain feminine tendencies that are inherited from their parents, but they are if they are in fact neurobiologically a man and aligning to be cis with their gender or their sex, excuse me, there's nothing you can do to change that. So when they go to see a psychiatrist or a psychologist or even their PCP, contrary to what you may believe, parents aren't allowed in the room. We don't allow the parents in the room if they're above the age of 13 unless the child requests that specifically. So at that point, you're getting toward the idea of the child potentially being indoctrinated or brainwashed as opposed to actually seeking medical care. That would be no different than what you see in a cult.
When you see cultistlike behaviors of, you know, this person has to get married by a specific age as is tradition.
>> Yeah.
>> You're not going to see that there. And then secondly, when they're under the care of a psychiatrist, a psychologist or a PCP without their parents present and they come forward to say that they don't necessarily align with the ideology or belief system that the parents have maybe put into the child, uh, they have every right to contact CPS. And now you're opening up into a whole other case of that child potentially being emancipated based off a judge's decision to get them out of that home. So these particular scenarios that I think kind of get incorporated by those who maybe don't quite understand exactly what this is, they're fallacies.
They can't happen.
>> Okay, perfect. Great explanation there.
And uh I just want to clarify there there are parents that are putting their children in the opposite clothing and and attire from a very very young age.
Cuz I've I've heard many parents say like in interviews um oh no no my my baby knew they were the opposite sex when they were 2 years old. I mean is that correct or incorrect?
>> It's incredibly incredibly rare you're talking about. So your trans community only makes about 1 to 2% of the US population as it is. So now you're taking an even smaller fraction of them >> regardless regardless of whether or not the probability is high or low. I mean it is happening in today's world, right?
>> Oh, it can certainly happen but we don't see any difference today than we used to with what we used to refer to as a tomboy when you would see a girl who just had an inclination or a direction or a desire to be more masculine. So what it >> the difference is let me finish let me finish hold on real quick but the difference is no one was given Lupron or or surgeries to to that's what you're not understanding typically they're not going to see in those particular cases let's let's pretend we take a 1980s tomboy situation and put them into the modern day right these parents went ahead and let their their daughter cut their hair super short they don't wear makeup they wear baggies men men's attire they play sports along on the boys team all of these things you know and you put them in today's day and age, again, the same scenario is going to occur. They're going to see a psychologist, psychiatrist, or PC or PCP in order to get onto those particular medications. And when they do, they're going to go through the SIP protocol.
And if it's not consistent and insistent and persistent on the child's behalf, nothing will be prescribed. Period. And and just to make sure these tomboys that were growing up, did they end up killing themselves because they couldn't become a man?
>> Well, tom boys generally are think of themsel as girls. They just like to wear like typically more masculine clothes, but they don't have a gender identity opposite of their sex.
>> Yeah. This is a very new phenomenon, is it not?
>> No.
>> No. And here here's here's the thing that I always find interesting with this particular argument. Is it the case that these particular trans children are unaliviving themselves because of a mental disorder? Or are they suffering from a constant injustice from others around them who won't accept them for who they want to be?
>> It's the same idea and concept as the goth kid who wanted to unal alive himself because nobody allowed them to be who they were. Nobody wanted them dressing in the dark clothes with the dark makeup. The hippies, nobody allowed them to go around and preach free love.
They were constantly ridiculed, constantly bashed, constantly made a mockery of, constantly outcast. That's what's causing your rise.
>> So then the solution is give them drugs.
>> The solution is >> the solution is to >> I can tell that you're getting a little emotional about this. I I can I can start with the em don't start with that emotional talk [ __ ] >> Get a little bit emotional.
>> Yes, it is. It is okay. It is emotional when we talk about kids killing themselves. I don't want to hear it though. You don't need You don't need >> I'm not hating, but I'm saying I could tell that there's a personal bias there.
>> You don't need a personal bias for Lucian.
>> I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear it.
>> Also, I just wanted to say >> what a red herring.
>> I I exist. I'm a tomboy. I identify as a woman. Um I exist.
Uh, I don't know why you asked that about tomboy specifically >> because that was the point about him saying that if they don't get the gender affirming care that they deserve, they will kill themselves.
>> Tomboy aren't trans kids.
>> No, no, no. I know, but back in the day, you didn't have those aren't kids.
>> They were They were trans kids in the 70s.
>> They were not.
>> Yes, there were.
>> There are specific >> There were trans kids in the 80s.
>> Yes.
the main characteristics that align trans women.
>> If you like today, >> hold on. I would like to go on and snitch. What was that?
>> I was just about to say that there are specific like brain traits like the brain sex index, which is basically a culmination of different um traits of the brain. And I'm sure that Lucian could probably uh corroborate what I'm saying here that demonstrate that trans women are more similar on the brain sex index to cis women when compared to cis men. So there are physical traits that are associate associated with being trans that are different from just being a woman.
>> Correct. And there there's there's a lot of confusion and and this comes from not a lack of understanding but a a lack of willingness to understand. When it comes to asking somebody what do you believe a trans person is? They will tell you often that it is somebody who is born a male who quote thinks they are a female or wants to be a female or wants to be a woman or they'll they'll use these words interchangeably. But the problem is if you would actually take a moment to look into how in uterero a fetus is formed, you're going to quickly find out that your neurobiological makeup is comprised and composed prior to the sex assignment. So it is quite possible as we can see in today's world that you are going to develop the neurobiological structure of a female prior to the sex of a male being assigned to the fetus in uterero.
>> Just so I can understand, you're stating that trans kids are born in the wrong body, not they are developed through nature.
>> No, >> it's not the wrong body.
>> Yeah, it's not.
>> No, no, no. They they just they they were born thinking they're in the wrong body.
>> No. No.
>> He has such a rudimentary understanding of what biological sex is. This is actually ridiculous.
>> No, sir. Do you think that people identify um do do you think that people assign sex at birth based off of karotypes?
>> They assign sex at birth based off of penis or vagina. Yeah. And do you think that always aligns with your chromosomes?
>> I mean, I think it's like 0.00001% that that does not align.
>> H it's not true. So there are approximately 1 to 2% of the population.
And just to give put that into perspective here, uh that's like one or two people out of a 100 people, which is quite a bit when you see that there are over 8 billion people on this planet. So 1 to 2% is millions of people. Um provide that for me. I think that's way too high.
>> Approximately 1 to 2% of people are diagnosed with some kind of interex condition.
>> Sorry, the study the study. Can you provide the study for that?
>> What >> can you provide the study for that uh claim on that percentage >> on interex individuals?
>> Yeah, because you say it's 1 to 2%. I think that's very high.
>> Yeah, sure.
>> So, I can break >> oop sorry. Um the anfostoerling suggestion um of interex suggests that it's about as high as 1.7%.
Um and then if we go down here >> and and identifying or born with >> so you're born with interex. You don't identify as interex. I just want to clarify the difference because if it's 1 to 2% that are identifying as the opposite sex but it's also >> look look no one identifies as the >> no one identifies as the opposite. Can you articulate the distinction between sex and gender?
>> Okay, opposite gender. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Identify as the opposite gender.
My apologies. Uh it's one you guys were stating earlier it's 1 to 2% that identify as the opposite gender.
>> No, who are interex? Jesus Christ.
>> No, no. Earlier you guys did say that 1 to 2% ident identify as the opposite gender.
>> There's a difference between sex and gender. A good example of this is the many handful of case studies on women who have XY chromosomes who can completely menstrate. They can have unassisted pregnancies. And I can cite those case reports if you'd like. But as I said, based off of the prevalence of people who are interex and the fact that approximately uh around 2% of people who have tran who are trans also are interex, you're talking about a good percentage of the population when we consider the fact that there are 8 billion people on this [ __ ] planet.
>> Mhm. So I can break this down to a very rudimentary understanding to help you better grasp this idea because I understand when you're not looking into it constantly from a daily or don't have like a background in it, it can be difficult at first. But are you left-handed or right-handed?
>> I am right-handed.
>> What makes you right-handed and not align with the four to 5% of left-handed individuals?
from my early childhood of how I was writing. If my parents had me write left-handed, I become left-handed.
>> That's not true. You have a predetermined dominance, meaning when you're born, you already have a particular preference to your right-hand or left-hand. So again, what makes you right-handed?
So once again, if my parents just said, "You're going to write left-handed all day every day," I would become >> My parents didn't teach me to write left-handed, and I'm a left-handed person.
>> No, I'm saying if they did, though, I wouldn't become left-handed.
>> Here's the thing, and I'm glad you actually brought that up. This has already been disproven. Are you familiar with the Catholic Church?
>> Yeah.
>> Are you familiar? Are you familiar with what left-handedness is called in Latin and Italian?
>> Please tell me.
>> It's called sinestra. Do you know what sinestra means?
>> No.
>> Sinner. Do you know what happened to left-handed kids when they went to Catholic school?
>> Tell me.
>> They were forced to write right-handed.
Do you know what they do now?
>> What do they do?
>> Write left-handed.
>> It's a predetermin dominant preference.
It's not something you control. It's in your neurobiological makeup. This is the same concept that we see with gender understanding aligning or not aligning with your sex.
>> Now, I I have people that I I have friends personally that can bat left-handed and right-handed ambid.
>> That's called being ambidextrous.
>> Ambidextrious. Yeah.
>> Right. And there is something called gender queer or gender fluid.
>> Oh, so they're they are >> they can be both or neither.
Just the same as somebody can be predominantly right-handed, left-handed, both. Or they just neither.
>> They can be both or neither at the same time.
>> No.
>> Or just either one.
>> No. Either one.
>> Either one.
>> So again, I could be right-handed, I could be left-handed, I could be ambidextrous, where I prefer to use both hands. Or I can be fluid, meaning I bet right-handed, pitch left-handed.
Now, can I become black?
>> Can you become a white?
>> No, you're talking you're talking you're talking about you're talking about race at that point.
>> Oh, this is even worse. So, yeah. So there is actually no strict genetic classification that we could align race with specifically for the understanding that ancestry is actually the genetic trait that would be passed down from generation to generation that would most likely align with the region in which you originate from. However, here's the problem with that. Uh the the ancestral diversity of mitochondrial DNA and Y chromosomal DNA in Africa actually maps on to the rest of the world. So there are individuals who are neighbors in Europe who are more related to some North African individual than each other because of the ancestral DNA. So they could have completely different skin tones and be more related to some individual down in North Africa than their own kin. And the reason for this is because um ancestry does not encode for any genes that make you look like who you are. the genes that do encode for skin color um are polygienic which basically means that there's thousands of genes that are involved. So two people could have the exact same skin tone but have completely different genes and coding for the reasons why they have that skin tone. Um a good example of this is the size and the amount of melanin. So the melanosome and then the amount of melanin that is produced. Um that can be completely different but can result in the same phenotypic um observation. And I could show you specifically where this comes into play um because they actually did a study based off of an individual who uh a researcher who tried to use a cluster plot in order to group people by race.
It failed miserably. Um, and this is because there is one group that always ends up being admixed because you're trying to fit a continuous data set um into a uh discontinuous structure plot which uh it's basically trying to fit uh continuous data into categorical like settings and that just does not work. Um so yeah, race is not a biological uh phenomenon. it is a socio uh it's a sociological phenomenon and if you want me to go into IQ I can too um because based off of everything we know socioeconomic status once you account for that there are no differences between uh not only brain structure but also IQ and um uh as well as uh where is the study that I have up so ethnic differences in children's intelligence test scores um given that economic deprivation, home environment, and maternal characteristics are identical, then you're not going to have any differences between the two. And then as far as associations between socioeconomic gradients and racial disparities and pre-adolescent brain outcomes, um physical brain outcomes as measured by an MRI, as well as um like brain mass and volume, all of that will be uh similar once you adjust for socioeconomic status.
That was um amazing breakdown by the way. Very very educated. Fantastic.
Probably the best argument that I ever heard in my life when someone tries to play the game of well can I become black. Fantastic. Really really learned a lot right there.
So when it comes to I this all came back to morality, right? And we all just have our different subjective moralities.
Um, some of you fully endorse giving uh chemical castration drugs to children to be able to affirm their different gender that they you you all like you are some either self-proclaimed or or actual experts in your field. But then once again there are other experts in their field that contradict what you say. And I know you may have a very strong belief in what you say, >> but then we can >> also just have an opinion that results in slavery being okay if God says so.
>> No. If God said you should have a slave, actually, no. If God told you I want you to take your child I I'm tired of your I'm tired of your nonsense.
>> If God told you to take your kid and kill them, would you do it?
>> Nope.
>> Well, then guess what? You have a moral opinion that differs from your god. I have an immoral opinion that differs from your god. Your god's a [ __ ] up monster. I hope I hope your kid never ends up being transgender because I would hate for them to have for them to have killed themselves because their dad was a bigot and a dumbass and I'm over it.
>> Oh, I'm a big >> wait host. This whole thing started over him believing that gender affirming care is somehow mutilation. He think he said that uh I I brought up the fact that I have a subjective moral system and that I prioritize prioritize the fairness and well-being of individuals. And then they brought up gender affirming care because they think that's contrary to the well-being of individuals which I brought a study that shows that 93% of individuals have better well-being after receiving uh gender affirming care. And then he went on to just giving more misinformation as they tend to do.
It's also very interesting because it sounded from from his points of argument that he's a Christian and going into that particular topic are we not going to touch base on the idea of circumcision?
>> H is God literally commanded channel mutilation? So >> that's precisely my point. So I I would argue at that point everything he has to say afterwards is moot until he until he retorts that because if not >> well we like you know I've always been I've always wanted to ask them you know if God gave you revelation and told you that it was a good thing to um uh to provide children gender affirming care would you do it now.
>> Right.
>> God doesn't God doesn't say you can't do that. I don't know where he's getting that from.
>> Yeah. There's nothing in the Bible that says you can't be trans. Uh, they'll probably quote something like, "It says they were made male and female." Well, that's Adam and Eve. I'm not [ __ ] Adam or Eve. Um, you and I here and everyone else. Um, if you if you ever hear the stupid retort of it's Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve, tell them that it's homo sapien, not heterosapion.
Anyways, no.
Um, but anyways, hey, >> Luchium, thanks for coming on.
>> Yes.
>> Yeah, no worries. I'm gonna go back often.
>> Sorry. It's not often we we get an expert in the very state in in in question of the argument. So >> yeah, no worries. I'll be uh I'll be cleaning, but I'll keep it on in case you need me. Just yell.
>> Hopefully I'll be able to get a guest that actually wants to talk about the Bible. Now I I let them get way way way off topic. Uh but we won't be doing that again. Um, real quick, um, some super chats here from >> at Simeon urchin with the $4.99.
Due to Catholic tradition, I was baptized in a dress, so it's a Christian thing, too, to put a child in other sex clothes. I hate bigots.
>> Uh, that is true. Baby boys will be put into little gowns um when they're baptized, little dresses. Um, so I don't know what the [ __ ] Christians are on about, you know.
And also he says something about the child wearing the opposite clothes. I don't know what the opposite what that even means. Opposite clothes. That's just uh completely subjective. What whether or not clothes are women clothes or ma men clothes. It's completely subjective. He had no objective stance on that. He couldn't provide any evidence of sub objective morals also.
Uh >> um and gentle and viking with the $5.
Wendy Carlos, the trans artist who did the soundtrack for Tron and pioneered the field of electronica, was born in 1939.
1939.
Yeah, trans people have been around for ages. It's not a new phenomenon. It's just that we're a lot less bigoted.
Well, the majority of us are trying to be a lot less bigoted um than they were in the ancient world. That's it.
All right. Hopefully we can get a Christian to come up and talk about the Bible now. Struggle.
I'm going to ask you three preliminary questions, then we'll get to the conversation. Question number one, are you at least 18 years old?
>> Yes, I am 28.
>> Question number two, what pronouns do you go by?
>> Uh, he, him.
>> And question number three, are you a Christian?
>> Yes, I am.
>> I'm Dalton, the Bible guy. Which one of the three points on the board would you like to discuss with me?
Um, honestly, I just have a I guess my question would just be your justification for knowledge.
>> Knowledge. I have a brain. The universe exists. My brain is able to take in sense data and compute it.
>> How do you know that's true?
>> Uh, with absolute certainty. We can't know with absolute certainty. We can have high confidence by testing it with like other people groups.
So your reality is subjective.
>> Yep. So is yours.
>> Okay.
>> Can you provide any evidence for objective? Anything?
>> Um if uh well that's that's the thing.
If God is your >> prove God exists, >> you know your base point, your foundation, then >> yeah, prove God exist.
>> Reality becomes objective.
>> Yeah. Prove God exists. Yeah. Go ahead.
What do you want? Go on.
>> Well, without the source of knowledge, right? You don't have anything to prove it.
>> Appeal a consequence. Provide evidence that your god exists.
Uh what do you want for evidence per se?
>> Anything that raises the likelihood that your god is real.
>> So are you a well are you atheist or agnostic?
>> Agnostic atheist.
>> So what does that mean? Do you believe a god can exist or you just don't believe in a god exists at all?
>> Yeah, I don't believe in any gods but I gods could exist. I just don't have any evidence that gods exist.
>> Okay. So that that's the first hurdle I was trying to come over is whether or not you believe a god can exist. But you do believe god can exist.
>> I don't know if a god can exist or not.
Okay. So that's the thing. So you have to depend depends I mean superhuman entities could possibly exist who live longer lives and have special powers I suppose.
>> Um >> but >> but God is a God is a socially constructed term and so God means different things to different people.
What God do you believe in? And what is the evidence that that God exists?
Well, this is why I'm saying if your reality is subjective, then you don't believe in one truth. What do you mean by reality being subjective? What do you mean by that?
>> Oh, that means that his reality there's no onlogical reality in his >> Oh, no. There is perspective.
>> There is. It's just my brain is I don't know whether or not my brain >> there is. You should be able to prove object objective reality exists. My subjective mind interprets sense data to the best of its ability. But as far as I know, but as far as I know, because no one's given me a good argument for telling me that reality doesn't exist. I experience it directly. I'm able to corroborate the information with other minds.
>> I've never been given a good argument that objective reality doesn't exist.
>> Yeah. Struggle. Look, what you're confusing here is like our epistemic infallibility. Right now, none of us up here are claiming that we do have epistemic infallibility, but like a phenomenal conservatist is just going to say that we have primmaashi justification to believe our seemings.
>> But is that what you believe?
>> Yes, that is what I believe.
>> Okay.
>> I believe so. I have do you know what primmaashi is in philosophy?
>> Uh I don't know every single thing but go ahead please explain.
>> It's just it's just at at face value basically, right? I at face value in absence of a defeater I have justification to believe my seemings.
Oh, let me ask you.
>> So, how do you know since data is true?
>> Oh, Stix was asking you a question.
>> 21 questions.
>> Yeah.
>> If you ask a question, you should at least >> Yeah, my fault. Go ahead.
>> So, how do you know that the revelation that you've read in God or the, you know, the the Bible is true?
>> Well, I've determined through looking through all the religions and I've came to determine that it has to be Abrahamic faith. So the Abrahamic faith once you come to determination of the Abrahamic Abrahamic faith being true you come learn that Jesus Christ is the Messiah spoke about in the Old Testament.
>> Oh no buddy Jesus didn't fulfill any prophecies from the Old Testament.
>> Oh yeah he's he's fulfilled plenty.
>> Oh point me to one.
>> Uh you got uh Isaiah, you got King you got David. You got >> be specific book chapter verse.
>> Uh what is it? Uh, I don't know them off the top of my head. If you want me, I can search them up for you.
>> Yeah, go ahead, do that.
>> All right. Thank you for allowing me to do that. I allows me to be able to have a better conversation about it.
>> He's activated.
Yes. The book of David. That was it.
while we're waiting for that. So that we're now >> we have uh we go Isaiah 7:14 where the virgin shall conceive and bear a son.
>> It doesn't actually say anything about a virgin, bud.
>> What does it say?
>> It says what does that word in Hebrew >> mean? Behold the young woman is pregnant and will have a son and she will call his name Emmanuel. And if you look at that word in Hebrew, it's also used for young maidens which are virgins.
>> No, no, a young maiden.
>> It is. Look up the root of that word.
Look at the several ways it can be used.
I know this one.
>> Alma just tells you two things about the individual in question. It means that she's young and a woman. She can be married or unmarried and she can be a virgin or not a virgin.
>> But it's t but because but you just agreed it can be used for a virgin. And I'm telling you what is the word and what is the word that follows virgin.
>> So are there two virgin births?
>> So believe someone who believes it's not struggle struggle struggle. Are there two virgin births? Cuz did you >> did you follow Did you There are two virgin births.
>> Well, not virgin. Well, I mean there's John the Baptist, right?
>> Oh, she wasn't born of a virgin. I'm saying did you notice that the word that followed after Alma, by the way, notice the usage of the definite article in Hebrew grammar. This is called the heay.
The he which is known which means that the speaker and the one they're speaking to are know who the person they're talking about is. It's not some vague maiden in the future. This is a young woman that is known by Isaiah and Ahaz.
And it says not the young woman shall conceive in the future but the young woman is pregnant. Present tense.
>> Okay. Okay. What about Micah 5:2?
>> Micah 5:2 says that a ruler in Israel will come forth from from the from the lineage of Bethlehem. One, Jesus wasn't a ruler in Bethle a ruler in Israel as far as we can tell in no objective sense. And two, it doesn't say the individual will be born in Bethlehem. It only says that they're >> believing for Messiah. Of course, you're not going to believe that Messiah he begging the question then. Prove that he was a ruler in Israel.
prove that he's a ruler in Israel.
>> Yeah, I can prove I could prove that Charles is a ruler in England. Can you prove in any I could prove that Herod was in that time the ruler in Israel?
>> Want to go to the New Testament to prove that Jesus is God? Is that what we want to prove to you?
>> God? No, just the king.
>> Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm saying.
Well, he's going to be s he's going to sit on the throne.
>> David wasn't God. He was also king in Israel.
>> I understand that. All I'm asking for is to prove that Jesus was prove that Jesus was the king.
>> If you go to Hebrews 1:8, you have God saying God referencing the song to David, King David, right?
>> Sitting on the throne of Israel who he's referencing saying this to Jesus.
>> No, it's called him God.
>> It's about it's actually about the king of Israel in the ancient world of Hebrew. Are we moving away from Micah 5 then and going on to the >> add you want to answer to you asked a question I'm answering >> yeah I would like that is the author of the book of Hebrews that is the author of the book of Hebrews making the claim that Jesus is a king what is the evidence of the claim because like for example if I go to stop talking while I'm talking stop talking while I'm talking >> now I can go to a kabad messianist and they'll tell me that the rebi is the melik mashiach the king messiah that's a claim. The author of the book of Hebrews is making the claim that Jesus is a king. What's the evidence?
>> Okay. Is that what you are? What is your position then?
>> My position that Jesus is not a king because you've yet to provide me any evidence that he is a king.
>> But what is I just told you. I just showed you evidence. But what is >> No, you you showed me a claim.
>> You took the position of a of somebody struggle struggle struggle position.
>> No, I don't believe the reby's a king either because it's just like you think it's just a claim. You're my position is that you have only okay struggle >> my position here is that you have made a claim that you have yet to substantiate the book of Hebrews makes the claim that Jesus is a king. What is the evidence of that claim now you can respond but stop talking over me.
>> So it doesn't matter regardless. You literally are in somebody's LC. You're going to talk over me. I have to tell me not to talk over you. So because you're not doing you're not doing the thing I told you to do. Provide evidence that Jesus was accused.
>> So you're going to >> provide evidence that Jesus is >> me. You don't even let me respond.
>> Give me the evidence.
>> All right. So listen. How do you take the position of somebody but not believe that position?
>> I'm not taking your position. What the [ __ ] are you talking about?
>> Okay. So then if you So we're taking New Testament.
>> Nope.
>> So you don't believe New Testament whatsoever?
>> No. We can't use, but we can use Old Testament.
>> Yeah. I mean, we're we're citing whether or not Jesus fulfilled prophecies from the Old Testament.
>> Yes. So, we'd have to go to New Testament, though.
>> So, you've provided me the claim made by the book of Hebrews. What is the evidence that their claim is true?
>> The evidence? Well, do you believe in a God existing?
>> No, I don't believe in a God existing.
So, now we're moving on.
>> How could you believe in See, this is the question. If Jesus did the things to even get to these hurdles, >> if Jesus did the things to get through these hurdles first, you have >> no if I don't have to believe in a god first. If you could show me that Jesus fulfilled prophecies from the Old Testament, I would believe in your God.
>> Your brain is so small you don't understand that you need to even believe that a god exists to even believe in which God exists.
>> No, that's not the question. First step, >> your brain is so small that you made an incoherent statement. In order I would believe that your God exists, >> if Jesus pro did things that were fulfilled by prophets in the Old Testament, >> the first step to believing which God is to come to acknow >> Are you going to give me evidence that Jesus is a was a king in Israel?
>> So, can we do you even believe miracles can exist?
>> I've never been. Yeah, this you are totally >> No, no, this is this >> you're dodging the question. If you want to make the claim that Jesus is a king because of a miracle, you can provide evidence that that miracle actually took place.
>> Do you even believe Do you believe anything supernatural can exist? That I have to understand.
>> I don't know if it can exist or not.
>> You don't know what your perspective is.
>> The pers look look the position of the host on that question is irrelevant to whether or not you can prove your god to be true. Right? He could the host could think that supernatural things exist or not. And that's inconsequential to your positive affirmation that Jesus is God and that Jesus is the Messiah.
>> To be clear, you are dodging. You have yet to provide me any evidence that I can provide you evidence that Charles is a ruler in England. Can you provide me anything that's even close to the evidence for Charles being a king in England that you can't for Jesus being a king? And >> so, you're not going to do it, right?
You're running. This is you running.
>> No, you're not even >> provide me evidence that Jesus is a king in Israel.
>> Brother, just listen for two seconds.
Just listen.
>> No, you're going to provide me evidence that Jesus is a ruler in Israel.
>> See, how can we have a conversation if this is what you do?
>> How can we have a conversation if you're unwilling to engage in the thing that I've been asking you for for the past like [ __ ] four minutes, maybe five.
>> But you don't even understand that you failed. Like you don't understand that if you can't >> you don't understand how to give evidence for your position now. You will either do it or I'll move on cuz we are at the end of our show and I don't need to talk to you anymore. You will either provide us evidence that Jesus was a ruler in Israel >> or else he didn't even or you can just concede that you can't give evidence for Micah 5:2 in which case we'll move on to another prophecy.
>> The evidence would be the church. There you go. Because I have faith in the church. How is the church evidence that Jesus is actually a ruler in Israel?
>> They have history and they've been teaching and they've been teaching these things true for >> and what did they teach that provides evidence that Jesus was a ruler in Israel?
>> Uh so many things, but you can just read the Bible and teaching the church fathers. They say >> fun fact, I'm the Bible guy. I've read the goddamn Bible. I'm familiar with the church fathers. They don't give any good like like explanations or any good evidence for Jesus being a ruler in Israel. He wasn't. He was a carpenter itinerate preacher who never legislated any rule over the people of Israel. But you know what? Thank you for wasting our time struggle. You really struggled through that conversation.
Jesus Christ. These Phil bros are the most unfuckable, most dodgy individuals I've ever had the displeasure of talking to.
Man, as soon as I knew he he couldn't provide evidence for the prophecies, so he had to go right back into um how do you know that the real world is the real world?
Because that's all they got.
Crazy.
Anyways, that is going to be the end of our show everyone. Um, one second. Um, I want to thank Stixs, Scientific Snitch, Luchium Vellum. Um, who else was on the on the live with us today? Cam obviously showed up and did a did a jig for us at her cabin. Big W to Cam. And uh big W to all of our wonderful um super chatters, all the people in the chat on YouTube, on Tik Tok, on the on the Discord. Big W to all of you. Big W to everyone who's an ally to members of the LGBT community. And big W to everyone who uses their [ __ ] brains to think instead of just spewing um spewing uh presuppositional apologetic [ __ ] on us. We appreciate you.
Um, and with that, I've been the Bible guy. Um, wait real quick. Who am I going to send you crazy kids off to? Um, let's see who's live right now.
Looks like Looks like John Cohen is alive.
Is alive. Well, I hope he's alive, but John Cohen is live right now. Um, we will be doing Bible Guy After Dark later this evening, everybody. But until then, I've been the Bible Guy. Remember to keep reading, keep learning, and we'll see you all again later. Bye.
Born from dust and questioning fire, wielding truth like a sword of desire.
Ancient scrolls and cosmic flame. He tears through it. He breaks the chain.
Echoes of prophets, the scars alive.
Knowledge and thunder interwine.
Reasons where blind faith fell. He reads the word and he reads it well.
Bible guide, seeker of the light.
Through time and fire he rides the night with reasons blade and wisdom cry.
The world shall hear the Bible.
Scrolls of ages, words of flame. He dares to question every name from Eden's dawn to Calvary sky. He breaks the chains of every lion.
The word and the flame raises shall rise and truth has the height.
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