Reid’s commentary provides a sobering synthesis of how legal and systemic failures converge to threaten civil rights in the modern era. While the analysis is urgent, its heavy reliance on partisan framing may overshadow the deeper structural complexities of the issues discussed.
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Really important to have a good career because you can't count on getting hired by this regime and them letting you do a reality show. Okay, that's just for Shan Duffy.
Okay, two things that we need to face as a country. All right, uh as we start off on this TJRS Monday, um number one, we have to face that the Voting Rights Act is dead. Now, I don't care if it is still on the books. It is a zombie. John Crow Roberts, his designated hitman, Sam the Scam Alto, killed it. Okay. And Uncle Clarence said that we should even like kill the zombie ghost. He's like, "Kill the ghost. The corpse is not nearly dead enough." But just know the Voting Rights Act is DEA dead. And so the old school southern governors are out and proud doing their best Dixier cosplay. They are acting like it is Halloween and they are all dressed up as Orville Thus. They're like, "Each of us can be an old Alabama governor from the 1950s." Each of them is trying to They're doing their best to cosplay as that era of governor. All of them deleting congressional districts like they are resetting a broken laptop even literally in the middle of elections.
I also want to show you guys the primary calendar just in May. You know, we we just the blue are where there are primaries. Just in May alone, Nebraska, North Carolina, and West Virginia have state and federal primaries tomorrow.
Louisiana state primary is scheduled for this coming Saturday. And Alabama, Georgia, Kentucky, Idaho, Oregon, and Pennsylvania all have primaries next Tuesday. The Texas runoff is May 26th, followed by California, Iowa, Montana, New Jersey, New Mexico, and South Dakota on June 2nd. Now, half of those states are going to get to have elections where everybody can participate. the ones in the south, the ones in the south are going to take place without the voting rights act because not only did the Supreme Court Sam the Scam Alo along with uh his boss man John Roberts, John Crowe we call it, John Crow killed the voting rights act and then immediately the oldtime southern dixocrat governors immediately jumped on and said good let's change our maps even in the middle of elections. Literally, Louisiana was already voting in their early vote process when their governor literally tossed out the federal primary election.
Tossed it out. So, here's Jeff Landry, the governor of Louisiana. He literally could pluck him out of the 1950s. He was on 60 Minutes this weekend explaining himself. Oh, Dixocrat style. Here he is.
>> Declared a state of emergency. What exactly is the emergency?
>> We've got the highest court of the land says the map that you have is unconstitutional. So we don't have a map under which our voters can vote on.
>> This country has held elections during the Civil War, during two world wars.
Elections still went on.
>> We're going to have an election and we're actually going to have an election on election day, >> but voting was already happening as we sit here right now. Uh more than 45,000 ballots have been returned. What happens to those?
>> Oh, those ballots are discarded and and those voters will vote again in November. You say that like it's not a big deal.
>> Well, it's it's not a big deal. It's not my fault. Go. If if anybody has a grievance, take it to the United States Supreme Court.
>> Well, ma'am, I have to tell you that the Supreme Court said that Mr. Ples is not a citizen and therefore I do not owe him uh the respect. The white man need not respect any of the black man's rights because I tell you, the Supreme Court said that Mr. Ples is not a citizen.
Ma'am, segregation now, segregation forever. Do you know that man wants to be president? I just want to let y'all know that man wants to be president of the United States. Uh, but only the white part.
Jeff Landry, everybody. And Alabama's 300-year-old Governor K. Ivy, she said, "Uh, excuse me, sir. Hold my bear."
>> Alabama Republicans have just filed an emergency request with the US Supreme Court, asking the justices to lift a lower court ruling that stands in the way of their redistricting plans. Now, if Republicans succeed in all the proposals currently underway and the new maps pass legal muster, they can actually stand to net anywhere from three, actually four to 13 new seats before the midterms. Brett, >> that's significant. And >> now, now what you should not think at any moment as you watch this whole thing play out is that black voters in the south, where 52% of black voters live, black 52% of black people live still live in the south. If you think they're just going to take it laying down when people like Landry and K Ivy who wants to be president and uh Ron D Santis and and and Lee, Governor Lee, all of these people, Roberty Lee, might as well be.
If you think that black folks are just laying down for this, you just don't know black people.
Okay? They are not co-signing the idea of every single African-American south of the Mason Dixon line being solely represented not just in the House of Representatives but in their state house and Senate only by right-wing MAGA conservatives. Think about that. Think about that. That is the goal to have every black person south of the Mason Dixon line only have representation by MAGA conservatives, mainly white MAGA conservatives. That's it. you would not have the opportunity to elect your own person that represents you. Every single black person south of the Mason Nixon line will be represented by a white conservative from the school board all the way to the governor's mansion if they get their way. That's the plan. But the response from more than 60 national and local civil rights and voter mobilization groups is summed up, I think, pretty succinctly in this Instagram clip that was posted by Black Voters Matter Fund. Take a look.
>> Is enough. I have had it with these mother snakes on this mother plane.
EVERYBODY STRAP IN.
>> I'm about to open some windows.
>> I'm just telling you, Samuel L. Jackson speaks for all black Americans. He is all of us cuz that's the response is it's a it's it's a hail no. Not going to do it. There is going to be a march and collective action taking place in Montgomery, Alabama this Saturday. Now, the action is all day, but the main march will be from 1:00 to 5:00 p.m.
Eastern Standard Time. And yes, we will be live streaming it on this channel along with lots of your other favorite channels. We're going to be live streaming this thing simultaneously. You need to get involved. Um, it's it it it's on the stakes are high and the South still matters.
Let's just look at some of the stakes here. the critical battleground states.
You can see them there for both congressional and state house and state senate districts. Uh we are talking about Tennessee, Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Texas, Florida, South Carolina, and North Carolina. And North Carolina is on the list even though they do have a mixed government with Democrats in it is because Democrats are trying to not get stuck in a veto proof minority and in a minority that can't override a veto if they need to. And so that's why North Carolina's list. These are the critical states, but you can see on this chart the number of congressional seats that uh African-American members of Congress, the the CBC plan stands to lose.
Let's look at this other map, excuse me, from where black power is most at risk of being deleted.
And you can see that that map looks a whole lot like the map of the old Confederacy.
That is non-coincidental. that the map of where black Americans uh stand to lose the most power is literally an identical map to the map that we were used to seeing of the old Confederate States of America because it's basically the same map. They are attempting to effectively lock African-American voters in to a situation where the decision of who what books you can read, what books can be assigned in your schools, what your school history textbooks look like, whether you get garbage picked up in your community, whether you have the same kind of sanitation services as an affluent uh or white community. where those decisions the the decisions based on whether your kids can get reduced price school lunch if your family is struggling financially. Um everything from school board to Congress and everything in between. you would have your only choice because they would sink African-Americans so much into the minority in every district surround them with rural voters who they can count on to vote Republican and meaning that no matter how much you vote, you got 100% turnout, you would never be able to elect a person of your choice. you would always be stuck with whoever the MAGA Republican majority in your district wants because now your district would be shared not just by fellow African-Americans or fellow Latinos or people of color or people who are of your single mindset which is the way it is now at least in the South. You can get one black consu one black representative or even a white representative that actually cares about non-white people right now. You can have that but the way they want is you can't have that. every African-American would be sunk in a district at which they are no more than 20% of the population, meaning they would never win.
The website uh if you would like to get in on this major protest that is going to be happening in Montgomery, Alabama is all roads All Roads um what is it? All Wait, oh, I'm sorry. All roads lead to the south.com. All roads lead to the south.com. Sorry about that.
All roads lead tothes south.com. That is where you can sign up if you want to be a part of what's happening in Montgomery. There are buses going to Montgomery from all over the South and all over the Midsouth and all over the all over the east. There are buses going to that state uh to uh Montgomery, Alabama this Saturday. We're talking about 19 congressional seats, 191 state legislative seats across the South. 30% of the congressional black caucus will be wiped off the map under these Alto maps. That is why we call it John Crow.
This was not created by Donald Trump.
Donald Trump ordered it, but it was like he ordered a pizza and the Supreme Court delivered. It was like he ordered up a pizza, but is this didn't start with him. This started with John Roberts in the 80s and John Roberts finished the job and his hitman is Sam the Scam Alto.
They want to keep grifting and a lot of members of Congress want to keep gripping. I'm going to get into some of them shortly. A lot of these people are getting rich off of this and their easy peasy constant um sort of scheme to get over on this is to keep white conservatives looking at the shiny keys of non-white immigrants are taking your jobs and blacks are lazy and blacks are bad and they just keep them look so they keep voting for their own economic destruction and soon if you're black you won't even be able to get potholes filled in your community because you won't be able to vote for anyone of your choice. Everybody, if you if there's going to be an AI data data center in your community that's going to poison your water, foul your air, you won't even be able to vote no because there won't be enough of you because they're going to sink you in a district surrounded by white magga Republicans, rural Republicans who even when they lose their farms still vote for Republicans. They vote for Republicans no matter what. It could be a devil that literally I my name is Satan be devil.
They're going to vote for them because they just vote culturally Republican.
and they're saying, "No, we're going to take we're going to carve up the blacks, put like 20% of y'all in a district with like 80% MAGA Republicans. Good luck."
That's the plan. That is what gerrymandering is. Remember the Franklin table? That's what it is. Okay. So, the second thing that we have to focus and on in phase in addition to that, which is bad enough, is that we may be on the brink of another pandemic.
Yes. Check out this headline.
Two cruise passengers uh what they're calling the rat virus. This is getting the henta virus. Evacuated off of that ship, which I don't know why they let anybody off that ship. God bless those people. I know three people died. They should have quarantined them on that ship. They said, "We're going to let everybody go on home and we'll figure it out later." They these people got off in Tenneref. There are more cases feared.
There's cases in France and there are lots of cases in the United States.
Let's put a little map. This is uh A7J.
This is the map of where uh we've now known that the hentus uh pathogen has at least touched six states including New Jersey, Texas, California, and Georgia.
And this is places where people have been in contact with or people that were on that cruise ship or have been somewhere in physical contact with them.
So if you're not scared enough already about that, please note that Miles Taylor, who served in the Homeland Security Department in the first Trump regime, but resigned and sounded the alarm as an anonymous whistleblower.
Remember he did the New York Times New York Times anonymous story saying, "Hey, these this guy's dangerous." during the first Trump administration. He wrote this on his Substack in which he talks about the World Health Organization director general insisting that hentus is not the new COVID, but that the fear that it is is not irrational. Here's the quote. When CO arrived, the United States had a sophisticated planning system for confronting pandemics. Homeland Security Presidential Directive 5 issued after 9/11 and refined after Hurricane Katrina designated the Secretary of Homeland Security as the principal federal official for domestic incident management and laid out a vast nationwide response network to manage such situations. FEMA was supposed to be the lead agency underneath the DHS secretary with the Department of Health and Human Services leading the public health response. Decades of planning, exercises, and statutory authorities sat behind this plan. Then Trump threw it all out. He stood up a hastily assembled White House task force, made the HHS secretary chair of it, then handed it to the vice president, then handed shadow control to his son-in-law, Jared Kushner. The DHS secretary at the time, an acting secretary who I used to work with, this is this is Miles Taylor writing, named Chad Wolf, seemed to shy away from leading the effort while FEMA waited on the sidelines. Subsequent congressional investigations found that the result was chaos and structural collapse as agencies scrambled to reinvent pandemic response on the fly. I remember the phone calls at the time. My friend Olivia Troy, who was helping Vice President Mike Pence run the task force from the inside, would call with a tone of contained terror. It's so broken, Miles. You have no idea he's getting people killed. He quit eventually and said it publicly because the alternative was staying silent while the body count climbed. Trump aids partly blamed her for the president's 2020 loss because her accusations were so damning amidst the crisis. Nothing has changed, at least not with the inter agency structure. It's still broken. Trump would still likely put together an ad hoc, freewheeling, personalitydriven task force to handle the response. Only next time, Trump will be doing it inside an echo chamber.
And the aforementioned Olivia Troy joins me now. Uh she was homeland security and counterterrorism adviser to Vice President Mike Pence and served as an aid to the White House Coronavirus Task Force. She was also running. She also maybe worked for Congress. We're going to get to that later whether she's still doing that. Uh but hey friend, it is good to see you.
>> Hi. Here we are.
>> Here we are. So go on.
>> I mean I'm kind of, you know, I'm just trying not to get the nightmares back from that era.
>> And yet I'm going to bring them to you, my friend. This is what friends do.
Uh scaring is caring as they say. All right, so let's do a little scaring and caring here. That piece that I read uh first thing this morning from Miles Taylor, I went oh and immediately asked my producer, can you get Olivia on the phone because you were mentioning you were part of it. We know that Donald Trump immediately the one of the first things he did was was slash the funding for pandemics period including the little task force that made sure that cruise ships weren't bringing back norovirus and things and he did that and that's a if you throw that up. What else should we be worried about?
Yeah, you know, that's the first thing I thought about actually when I was seeing what was happening on this cruise ship.
I was like, well, I do know the unit that was gutted that used to do the inspections on the cruise ships, which by the way, the whole Doge thing and cutting funds or whatever, they didn't even pay for that. The cruise liners were the ones that would pay for this unit. So, that's why it was so ridiculous. I was like, this isn't even costing taxpayer money. This is just stupid that they went in and gutted it.
And I know these people because I used to work very closely with them. And so I have to say like my stomach was like in not watching this cruise ship this time around because I kept thinking about all the cruise ships I worked on during the co pandemic.
I had a spreadsheet joy.
>> I mean I I am terrified just to think about it. But what should have happened like in a normal administration? You were advising Mike Pence who yeah I didn't agree with him politically but he was a relatively normal Republican. Like what normal things would have happened if we were living in the in the normal world?
>> Well, in a normal world, I mean, we would have been communicating and the National Security Council would have been coordinating and actually playing in their roles, right? I mean, and we have, like Miles said in his post, we have exercised for pandemics. We've exercised for outbreaks. We have war game this so to speak, where every agency comes to the table and you practice. That's what you do. And then when it happens then you instill that plan. What happened during the COVID pandemic and then just during this task force was exactly what he said was a task force was enacted and then a shadow task force was enacted and then the stocks plummeted when the CDC person went on the news and said Americans should prepare. This is real. This is coming. remember that when Nancy Mansner got out there and she said it >> and the next thing you know Mike Pence was handed the task force and I was there for that meeting when they turned to him and they said we've we've got to control the message.
We've got to control the message internally and then he looks at Pence and says I think this is you. You're going to have to run the task force now because we've got to control the messaging on this.
Basically saying we've basically got to start lying to the American people.
Translation, that's what happened. And so I remember that day because I was the person that was going to the task force meetings from day one. And I was solely there as an adviser for my pimps just listening to what was going on and briefing him on this is what we're seeing overseas. This is what we're seeing in terms of what was happening in Wuhan. Like I'm just giving him facts.
And so that day when it got handed to him, I remember freaking out and being like, "Oh gosh, we own this and now we are going to navigate this in the best way we can fully knowing what the hidden agenda is behind here on how we're going to navigate the messaging in the Trump team." And I just remember like I was saying when I saw this cruise ship I had a spreadsheet of cruise ships joy where they were all out on the water.
There were thousands of people on these cruise ships around the world around the world. And I just remember remember the one outside of Oakland, California where people were hanging signs saying please let us dock. There were other cruise ships that were turned away at ports just like this one was at one of the ports. Like I literally started to get those feelings of anxiety and nightmares because I was one of the people with a team that were trying to figure out how we were going to navigate the situation.
And we we knew that the cruise were going to be bad. We knew that the people on the cruise ships were at risk. We knew that the longer they were on those ships, the likelihood that this outbreak was going to happen. Now, I will tell you this. I share this because I feel like we've gutted the unit now at the CDC. We have no trust in what the leadership is telling us because we don't know. I mean, you know, Trump was like, "Oh, it's going to be fine." I was like, "Yeah, I remember when you said that the first time." And we all knew behind the scenes that this was not going to be fine.
>> Yeah.
>> And I do remember thinking of the cruise ships at the time, like, what are we going to do to figure out how we're going to quarantine these people? how we're going to keep people safe. Now, granted, this doesn't spread like co. I understand that, but you know, there's a neurovirus outbreak and I'm thinking to myself, I've had conversations with the CEOs of the cruise lines back then and we knew that we had a problem and they asked for help. They asked for help from the federal government because it like we don't even know where to start. We want to do the right thing. We want to save people, but we need help. We need to be talking to the CDC experts. I was talking to the evacuations head of the unit.
>> Yeah.
>> And we were trying to figure out how to navigate this. None of those people are there. None of that exists now.
>> That that is what I was just going to get to is that at that time what you're describing are relatively normal people who who are not, you know, political in terms of their focus on, you know, keeping people safe and alive. Now it's RFK Jr., Dr. Oz, a bunch of sickopants.
Um, if Donald Trump told Pete Hegv, "Blow the cruise ship out of the water and kill all the people, he'd do it."
Like, there's no one there. And we're in a we're in an atmosphere where MAGA has now won the White House. And their ethic is no masks, no mandates. Even if there was a vaccine, there isn't one. The first time Trump did Operation Warp Speed to speed up the production of the vaccine. There's no way they would do that now. There's there because his his base is so antivax, anti-mask, anti- anything to mitigate. We would now be doing the experiment they wanted to do with COVID, which is let everybody catch it, everybody get hentus, get the rat virus, and then develop natural immunity. That's what they would do, right?
>> Yeah. I mean, that was the her immunity that Scott Atlas kept pushing. Remember him? That's a bus with a pass. Uh doctor, I'll put that in quotes atlas who showed up >> and well I mean I remember this because he suddenly becomes so did the shadow doctor who's calling Donald Trump on the side of Dr. Fouchy and the actual task force doctors that are trying to figure out how to navigate this. So I mean when I think of this and I see what's happening I can't even imagine what the internal discussions must be with no actual order no expertise I mean and then also keep in mind that I was there when Trump was like trying to say well you know I don't want my numbers to go up >> right >> when like these are Americans >> because this election and again living there's an election coming up and this is where we get to They're doing everything in their power uh to fix this coming election because they do not want to be removed from power. They don't want the grip to stop. And that we're in the same exact situation we were in in 2020 when there was a big election.
Donald Trump didn't want his numbers to go up because he wanted to get reelected. Now he wants to flip the House and Sen or keep the House and Senate. So they have the same incentive structure. Downplay this thing that has a 40% kill rate. Downplay if it's a pandemic. pretend nothing's happening, no masks, no mandates, no nothing. Um there and part one of the ways that they're trying to hang on to the House and Senate by cheating is by gerrymandering and gerrymandering outside of the realm of a census. Um you at one point were running for Congress in the state of Virginia. Um you put this out, this post, um that is raising the question of whether you're going to continue to do that. We know a lot's going on in Virginia. There is this fight over whether the Supreme Court is going to let the three million Virginiaians who voted to redistrict the state have their way. Tell me where where this stands for you.
>> Well, that's the thing that was enraging on Friday when this ruling hit is it was like, okay, we voted. We the people in Virginia, the voters showed up. There was a huge get out the vote effort.
There was a lot of work done on this and the voters showed up and they voted. And then we get this ruling and as you can imagine it was shocking. I mean we were you know I think a lot of us as candidates especially are personally impacted by this because we are like well basically I'm running for a district that they have now said is not happening doesn't exist. And so we are in limbo right now. Joy to be honest with you. I had to take a pause. I, you know, I had to assess over the weekend and I had some other efforts that I was um doing because life doesn't stop. Uh, you know, bad things still are going on in our country every single day. And I was at a nice detention facility. And that's where I was on Friday evening. And so I got the news that morning. It was a little bit of chaos because nobody knew what that would mean. It seemed like, okay, is it on? Is it off? Uh, I think all of us were assessing, are you running? Are you gonna run in another district? I mean, what does this mean?
And then, as you I don't know if you saw this yet, like this afternoon, they're now appealing to the Supreme Court. And look, I'm of the opinion fight because Republicans fight. They fight every round. They don't let their foot off the gas. Whatever wreckage they're going to cause along the way, they don't care.
And so, I think I think the right thing is to fight and go to the Supreme Court.
But we just saw what they did to the Voting Rights Act.
>> Yeah. I mean, so I am under no illusions that they're going to side and do the right thing here or even take the case.
We have no idea what is going to happen.
So, I'm in a little bit of a holding pattern trying to assess like what does this look like? What does it look like for me? What are the other candidates like? I mean, we're all kind of like looking around.
>> Yeah.
>> Saying and how do you run a campaign with people now where people are like, well, is it real? Is it not? And I'm like, that's one that's a great question.
>> Yeah. Uh it's it's it's a it's a maddening uh situation made worse as you said by John Roberts who I would not be surprised if he completely reverses himself and says oh no you can't do political jerrymandering. Are you kidding me? No no no Virginia you can't do political jerrymandering. The only jerry mandering that's legitimate is racial jerry mandering. They'll just switch it. Like he'll just flip it right because they don't have any principles.
Their only principle is ensuring that Republicans continue to control the government because they're all stealing.
They're all grifting. JD Vance u we can put this up. Jason has said, "We're going to lean in." He said, "We're going to take, to your point, they fight hard.
They're going to take very decisive action." That Republicans need to do that in every single state. Um, he said that on Sunday so that after a new census, that will make the congressional aortionment fair. To them, fair means they get all the power and Democrats get to be ruled by them.
>> Yeah. And that is what is so angering about this, Joy, that I sometimes I want to be like, "No, that doesn't mean we give up. We double down and we fight." I mean, that's what the Democrats need to do. I mean, I'm of the opinion that like you got to meet them where they are and this is what they're doing and every opportunity we have to counter it. And it may be uncomfortable, right? When I was on the campaign trail and I was out there, uh, you know, supporting the redistricting, asking people to come out and vote, vote yes on it. And some people I would talk to them and they would be like, "Well, it feels a little uncomfortable. Like, I don't know. I'm a little bit, you know, it's Jerry Mand."
like no, take a step back and like meet the moment. What are we up against here?
I mean, >> I agree. And part of me part of me wants um someone like you who was on the inside of the Republican party to start running in Republican primaries, too.
Like, I think we have to not limit ourselves. We have to not limit our imagination. We're going to need some folks to go in those primaries and get rid of some of those people as well. So, we we we need to have these bigger conversations. Some people should run as Democrats. Some people just need to go in and run and beat those Republicans at their own game in their own party and throw those people out into unemployment. It's a bigger question.
But even in the Democratic party now, can you put up this one, Jason 81, some of some of our so-called Democrats are not even honest, right? So, there's this piece that came out over the weekend.
This is the Keystone out of Pennsylvania. Don Betterman, who on paper is a Democrat. Um he sits on the committee that oversees the Chips Act, which is something that Joe Biden um pushed for and got signed into law under the Democrats. And the Chips Act puts a lot of money into chips production, microchip production around the country.
There's a company called Micron. John Federman purchased Micron tech stocks and he's now up 68%. He oversees the his committee oversees Micron and so he's this looks like insider trading to me and outright corruption. And so when people ask why does John Fetman seem to be so disloyal to the Democratic party, this is why he's in on it. He's getting he's making money being a senator. Being senator is the best gig he ever had when it comes to getting rich. So that's why we can't trust half of these politicians.
>> I agree. I actually think I mean the corruption runs deep and it is really they are beholdened to one their own pocket and bank accounts and special interests and a lot of these other special interests very major corporate scenarios that basically paralyze these people from ever doing the right thing.
Meanwhile, when I was out and talking to voters, I mean people are hurting like people are like they're looking at their health care. They're looking at hospitals being closed. They're looking at what is happening in higher education, which I care about. I was a first generation college student. I, you know, I had to really work hard to get my way through pen and figure out how I was going to pay for it. And I'm sitting here looking at this and I'm like, they've gutted the Department of Education. They're gutting grants. The parent plus loans that I hear about in Virginia, the window for where you qualify income-wise is extremely challenging. I mean it is you know and plus never mind that we are in an unjustified war with Iran which we can get into another time because I have I mean I that's one of the reasons that I decided to run was because I was so angry when I saw what they did >> that we are in this never a neverending situation that is impacting all of us.
But yet you have people like Betterman who are like, "Well, you know, uh, I'm going to kind of side on certain things because that's okay because I just saw my stock go up and my pocketbook got bigger." I mean, you know, and I have to tell you, Joy, some people were like, "Is she going to be a Federman? Is she going to switch?" I was like, "Do not insult me like this because hell has no fury like a woman's." And tell me, I am this, >> right? No. Olivia is the is she's the opposite of John Feman. I'm just telling you, I know the sisters. No, she the opposite. So, no, you don't have to worry about I was like, "Do not even." I was like, "That is the biggest insult to me. Do not even compare me."
>> Here's the thing. Olivia, you were a better Democrat when you were a Republican in the Trump administration than Betterman is now. That is how much better you are. You were better. You I would rather took you then on team.
Well, you were with them because even there you were. I'm I'm telling you, you were an honest person even working for Mike Ben. So, I don't agree with him, but at least you were always honest. We used to have you on from back in the day. I've known you since you were in that side. And when I tell you this lady is honest. Before I let you go, I do want to talk about what you you you touched on a little bit. There was a story that I posted on Mother's Day about this sweet um 18-year-old boy who was dying of cancer. Um his family were detained. They tried to cross into the United States uh undocumented just because they wanted to see their baby before he died. They the story had a sad and happy ending. They did get to see him. He died hours later. This is what ICE is doing to our country. This this child had to go public with his his in his dying months just so he could see his mom and dad before he died of cancer. You were in an ICE detention facility. We have a photo that you um that you shared with us. Talk about what you saw. And there's the name above your head, Core Civic, one of the companies that is profiting, speaking of grifting off of Donald Trump's horrible Steven Miller policies.
Yeah, it was I mean I followed that story about the cancer patient and that was so heartbreaking and the fact I mean I was it was yes at moments like I'm so glad that he got to see his family one last time but the horrificness of everything that families are facing on a daily basis and look on Friday I found out about the Virginia ruling but I was on the way up to New Jersey and you know it was it is my best friend it was my college roommate And um we went to Penn together. She was Puerto Rican. We were first generation college students together. And when she called and we had been fighting this thing, her husband was detained by ICE last Memorial Day.
And we had been fighting this thing for a year. I went out, we got the lawyers, he was picked up in front of his house.
It's one of the stories where he runs his landscaping pen company, pays taxes.
They have filed because they are married. He's married to US a citizen.
They have a four-year-old little boy. I am the godmother. And we won that in August, Joy. We won round one. They never released him. He remained in detention. He was in detention till this weekend, almost a year because we're coming up on Memorial Day again. And we got uh the notice that ICE had appealed.
They never released him. And um I swam the appeal and we got notified that he was being deported imminently. Of course, you know, everybody goes into panic mode when you hear that. I'm like, you got to show up in person. We got to figure out where he's going. like I I you know he's Mexican. I hope he's going back to Mexico. But going going in uh you know you I I took some pictures there. We were there with a four-year-old. You know, he's playing in the in the parking lot. Like this is not a playground. Like these are the memories that he's going to have for a very long time. They went there twice a week to see his dad who was detained.
And then leaving there, I you shared that photo. We had already been sobbing inside like puffy eyes. Like we said our goodbyes and then we were kind of like I'm looking at baby A is what I call him and trying to figure out like how we're going to tell them how to explain this that you're not going to see your dad in person and you've been going to this weird facility and you don't understand it at your age but when you ask to go see him next Friday because it's you know now become the family tradition of this is what you do. we're not going to go because you're not going to see him because he's gone. And the conditions though, like when I was talking to him, there were no windows. They have no windows in those cells. They're they're in this group group of people in this rooms that they're held in and they don't get they don't go outside.
You know, we've got murderers and criminals. They're allowed at least they go outside. They're out in the fresh air. He did not see the fresh air at all. I mean, we got we got notified. We were told, you know, I didn't talk about this publicly because I was like, I just want to make sure he gets on that plane.
I want to make sure he gets to Mexico because we at least know where he is.
>> And he lands there. And I mean, he called my friend and he said, you know, wow, at least I get to see the sky again >> because he hadn't >> he hadn't seen the outdoors. And I'm like, what are we doing here across the country? I mean, I'm looking around the room. I was seeing like young families coming in. You're all in one room together. When you're talking to people, you can see the tears. I can see young people people looking at the little boy and thinking about what does the future look like? And you know, he's playing with building blocks while we're having conversations about how are you going to rebuild your life? I mean, he's been in this country over 20 years.
>> And that is what we're doing. Um, and by the way, it is harming the US economy.
We're losing business owners like your friend's husband. Uh we are basically the World Cup is going to be a disaster.
Um the bookings are down, hotel rooms are light. We're not seeing the kind of tourism coming in. People are scared to come here. They don't want to be here in Trump's MAGA America. So they're harming the economy. It's not making the economy better. It's not making America great again. It's making America broke. Olivia Troy, uh I appreciate you. Uh please keep us posted. If you do decide you're going to go ahead and run, please come back and we can talk about your campaign, but keep us posted on your decision. I appreciate you.
>> I will. Thanks for having me. Nice to see you.
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Uh, and you may recall Deario uh, as the attorney for the survivors of the Greenwood, Tulsa race massacre of 1921.
And Deario joins us now. I have my book here and my hot little hand. Deario, good to see you.
>> Hey, good to see you, Joy. How you been?
>> I am I am doing well. And for those who have forgotten, um, let's take a very quick look one more time at the wonderful late Viola Fletcher and her testimony before Congress.
>> My name is Viola Ford Fletcher.
I'm the daughter of Lucinda Ellis and John Wesley Ford of Tulsa, Oklahoma. I'm the sister of Hughes Van Ellis, who is also here today. I'm a survivor of the Tulsa race massacre. Two weeks ago, I celebrated my 107 birthday.
Today I'm visiting Washington DC for the first time in my life.
I'm here seeking justice and I'm asking my country to acknowledge what happened in Tulsa in 1921.
On May 31st in 21, I went to bed in my family's home in Greenwood. neighbors of Tulsa. The neighborhood I felt asleep in that night was rich not just in terms of wealth but in culture, community, heritage and my family had a beautiful home. We had great neighbors and I had friends to play with. I felt safe. I had everything a child could need. I had a bright future ahead of me. The night of the massacre, I was awakened by my family.
My parents and five siblings were there.
I was told we had to leave and that was it. I will never forget the violence of the white mob when we left our home. I still see black men seeing being shot, black bodies lying in the street. I still smell smoke and see fire. I still see black businesses being burned. I still hear airplanes flying overhead.
I hear the screams. I have lived through the massacre every day.
>> And uh in this book um redeem a nation chapter 4 you titled They Kill You in This Town. And you talk about um being born in North Tulsa. Um why did you write this book and what will people learn about what Viola Fletcher went through and how that relates to what this country has done to its soul? Well, Joy, I wrote this book for a couple reasons. Number one, I didn't want anybody else to be like I was. I grew up in Greenwood. I went to middle school at George Washington Carver Middle School on Greenwood Avenue, and I knew nothing about the massacre. I knew nothing about the greatness of Greenwood until I went off to college. And I had a college professor talking about this great place in North Tulsa. I raised my hand and said, "Hey, that's not true. I'm from this place." And obviously, I was wrong.
I was humiliated. And ever since that time, I have had a a fire in me to educate myself and others about Greenwood and then search and try to find justice and reparations. And in this book, it chronicles the Greenwood story, how it was created. It chronicles the massacre. It chronicles the legal fight for justice ever since 1921. But it's more than that. It's more than a legal thriller. It's something that is relatable, down to earth, personable.
People going to learn a backstory of how Griema was created. some of the people in the book like Mother Fletcher, Mother Randall, our one living survivor who's 111 years old. But it's also a blueprint of what black communities can do out throughout this country. This book right now is so timely and I I kind of hate that because what we're dealing with right now in today's world is what this book is talking about and what does it take for us as a community to get back to building Greenwoods all over this country because Greenwood was just as much a physical location as it was a state of mind. And I take people through that very specifically in this book.
>> Yeah. I mean, and one of the things that I think people don't realize about Greenwood is that after the 1921 massacre, Greenwood actually rebuilt, but then the Eisenhower era highways uh came along and just destroyed it all over again. And through the 1970s is when the final sort of permanent destruction took place. It wasn't even just the, you know, the massacre. It it stalled those incredible people, but it their resilience said, "No, we're going to rebuild." They just couldn't survive the federal government.
>> Right. And this is why this book is so important because Greenwood's story is the story of black America. As you stated, there were black places all over this country that had wealth, that had organization, had prosperity. Greenwood just happened to be the most organized, the most profits in the history of this country. But it's not unique what happened to Greenwood, either the massacre or urban renewal, which we call negro removal in our neighborhoods. And so I talk about that in the book and make sure we got to stop telling ourselves these these these falsehoods about ourselves like we're on we are our own worst enemy. We're not our own worst enemy when we have a federal government and we have white supremists and people that call themselves conservatives which you know what are they trying to conserve? They're trying to conserve power for themselves going back to the 1700s. These are the type of things I'm talking about in the book for us to be able to come together learn the lessons of Greenwood. learn the lessons of how was our ancestors able to build H.B.CU, able to build fraternities and sororities, able to build cities like Greenwood during a time like this. They call it a Nadier. This is a time where it was rampant violence, rampant Jim Crow, sharecropping, pennish farmer. My my grandmother was a sharecropper. I'm really trying to bring these stories to light as a way to motivate us, inspire us, how we can redeem this nation. When I say redeem this nation, I'm not just talking about the United States of America. I'm talking about black nation.
the black folks in this country. Also, >> um we are living in a time when Jason, if you can put up B4. I mean, I want to show you all uh the four Black Congress members uh of Louisiana. And that doesn't mean the four who are currently there. It means the four there ever were ever in history. That is the entire group of the number of of the black members of Congress from the state of Louisiana where PBS Pinchback was from ever in history. Um, let's go to the next one. This is B5. This is Justin Pearson. Justin J. Pearson, who is running for Congress in a seat that has been eliminated. His the seat he was literally running for um is been wiped off the map in the state of Tennessee.
That's his brother who was detained, arrested, um for simply saying, "We deserve to have a seat. They have one seat in the state of Tennessee." Uh you're talking about rebuilding a nation. The nation that this black nation exists in doesn't even believe that black people should have a single seat in the states where we have huge numbers of people living.
>> Look, this nation doesn't believe we deserve anything. Period. Not a single seat. Not a not not even to be outside looking in. And that has been what started this country. As I stated in the book, this country was started and built upon the enslavement of our people and the and the genocide of Native Americans. And this is what this this is the animating DNA of this country. And we have to accept that. That's one of the things and Joy, you know, you gave me some great quotes for this book and I want to thank you for that. One of the things that we talked about is that before this era, this Trump era, right, people could say, "Oh, I don't know if racism is that bad. I don't know what it is. You your grandmother, oh, she she's making it worse than what it was. We had a black president." You can't say that anymore.
>> Right.
>> Right. It's very very clear. The scales are off our eyes. It's very very clear what is going on. If we don't get our act together and come together as a community, and I don't mean everybody has to come together because it's never going to be everybody, but if long as you're not antilack, we should be able to come together and make sure because these people have a plan. The guy in Alabama said he wants to get rid of the 14th Amendment.
>> Yeah.
>> 14th Amendment, which is specifically for our citizenship, the thing that's supposed to protect us. They're not playing this game. They're not playing the game. They they seek to wipe us out like they try to do in Tulsa. The reason I think this book, Redeemination, is so timely, you're going to hear these stories of people that almost wiped off the earth. Their goal was to run a negro out of Tulsa. Well, I still live in Tulsa. Last time I looked, I'm still, some of them call me a negro, right? The point is, we must be willful resilient.
We have to understand we have tremendous odds, obstacles, and opposition. But we've always had that, and we've always had to fight. And guess what? Just like the men in Greenwood who eventually lost the war because the battle was 36 hours.
I lay that out in the book. Yeah, for 12 hours they fought and held off. We have to fight. WE MAY NOT EVEN WIN all the fights. That doesn't even matter. We must fight for everything. One of the survivors of the massacre, Hal Singer, he passed away right before we filed our litigation in September 2023 2020. He wrote me a letter. His wife sent me a letter. He said, "We must we may we may lose, but we must fight for our rights and our dignity." And so I hope people that's listening to this interview and read this book Redeemer Nation regardless of what fight for your rights and your dignity.
>> Yeah. And and to I want you to amplify just a little bit more and you say more about that because this is one of the things I think people when they think about the Tulsa race massacre they think of these black people in this um you know beautiful community being victimized. No, there was like a firefight where where the the black men of the community went and pulled up in a a hotel, a quite posh hotel in the town that that a black man owned and and and literally held off this white mob to the point where the federal government sent in military planes like what Pete Hegth would literally do if he was in the same situation to bomb the town with military jets. The story is so wild that when Watchmen came out and they portrayed that in the opening, people thought they made that up. No, that is literally what happened. They left out the firefight though. Please talk more about that.
>> Oh, absolutely. One of the things I'm so so proud to be from Greenwood because these black men, some of the richest, most powerful, wealthiest black men in America, people like JB Straford that owned the Straford Hotel, which is the largest African-American owned hotel in America at the time, they went across the train tracks to protect the life of 19-year-old shoe shiner Dick Roland. not a very not a wealthy person, not a property owner, but someone that the community said, "We love him and we're going to go protect him." And when they went across those train tracks, about a hundred of these black men, many of them World War I veterans dressed in their suits with their guns, they encountered a mob, about 2,000 whites, and you could imagine this scene and one of the white guys tried to take the guns from one of the brothers, OB man, and a shot rang off, and about 12 people were killed at that point. Then the black man retreated back over the train tracks into Greenwood and they set up defensive perimeters and they fought them for 12 hours. 12 hours until the National Guard, as you say, the National Guard came in. They came in with their machine guns and they were able finally able to break through the the actual defenses of the black men and women, some women fighting too, let's be clear, and break through. And then they poured into Greenwood and then they stole and loot and killed over 1550 homes and businesses destroyed over 3,000 people.
joy was disappeared. We don't know what happened to them. We don't know if they were uh burnt up, put in a mass grave, put in the river, but we never heard from them again. And do you know when the the adjunct general from the from the Oklahoma uh National Guard came to town, he wrote in his afteraction report, these are not my words, this is adjuct general Barrett. He said that when he got on scene, there was 20 to 25,000 whites going berserk in Greenwood. But we got to remember, we fought, it was 36 hours, we fought for 12 hours. we were just outnumbered and outguned. But the point is, you got to fight regardless if we outnumbered or ungun because that's how you fight for your rights and fight for your dignity.
And that's what redeem nation is about.
>> Yeah. And it it is it's such a you said it reads like a thriller because that's the thing is that people don't know those parts of the story. They just know the victimization and people forget about the heroism. And it really is an important point to make. I I learned this in doing the research for Mega and Merly. I got my Mega and Merly cup here.
We It's book days. We're going to have book cup. uh is that World War I and World War II were such key parts of the civil rights movement because that and the Civil War, those are the three times when armed black men used the their war heroism to the advantage of the larger community. Those black men who fought in the Civil War took those guns home with them and they were prepared to fight uh Jim Crow just like we're going to have to now fight Jon Crow. And those World War I veterans fought in Greenwood. And then those World War II veterans are the one who said, "Oh, if there's an exemption from the pole tax for World War II veterans, we want that and we want to vote." And that people leave out the piece about war, you know, our war veterans and how important they were to civil rights.
>> Oh, absolutely. Completely important.
You know, as we talking, it made me think about a story I put in the book of this mother thinking about the black women and the and the and the power of black women. There's a story about this black mother who is there literally as a plane is going over there. They're raining down bullets. Buildings are burning around her and her daughter gets scared and runs away from her. And she runs after her daughter and and a couple people say, "What are you doing? You cannot chase her. You're going to be killed." And that mother said, "If I have to be killed, I got to get my daughter." Now, she ran into that that gunfire. She somehow survived. She got her daughter. And it's just a beautiful story of what we have to do. Sometime you have to sacrifice. Sometime you have to go into the danger. That is the plight of black people. That is the black tact. It's not fair. It's not fun.
But it's just what it has to be. And we have to be, you know, we have to be able to stand up like our ancestors did like Mega Evers did. None of us want to be mowed down going into our home in front of our family. None of us wants that.
But it's going to take us standing strong for our rights and our dignity.
And Redeemer Nation is going to give you a blueprint. One of the things I'm talking about at redeemnation.com is joining our Greenwood 11,000 campaign.
You know, there's about 11,000 black people in Greenwood at the time of the massacre. We're looking for 11,000 black folks to join with us by May 31st, 2026, which will be the 105th anniversary. not just to read the book, but to sign the pledge to download the the worksheets, host a community discussion in your home, your business, your fraternity, your church, and then get with us at Justice for Greenwood so we can deploy you with tangible action and organized fashion to fight against this fascism and racism that's coming our way.
>> Uh the book is redeem a nation. Uh and uh you can go to redeem the nation.com to get involved as Demario is discussing. And he doesn't just say that. He is somebody who has done that and lived his life. um fighting for the people of Greenwood and for those survivors. The book Redeem a Nation is on sale at the shop. You know how we do.
Uh we make bestsellers on the Joy Reed Show. And we want to do this with this book, too. It's a thriller. Uh it's a it's important history. It's the history even Deario didn't get growing up in Tulsa in Greenwood himself. And so, he wants to make sure there's not another generation that doesn't know the story.
Go to the shop at shop.thejoyshow.com, the joyshow.com, get your book and then go to redeem the nation.com so that you guys can you can get involved. Thank you, Deario. Um, thank you for bringing this book to us. We appreciate and this incredible important story.
>> Thank you so much, Joy. I appreciate all you do for us and Greenwood and for our whole community.
>> Thank you very much. Thank you very much. And and the blurbs on the book, include one from Joanne Reed. So, you're going to want Look, I look so you're going to want to go and get this book. I liked it so much I went ahead and and blurbed it. Um, so that is another thing we do. We do love books on the show.
That's why we call ourselves readers.
One of the reasons you call us readers is well my last name is Reed. Jason and my last name is Reed. So it's like a pun. Is it a pun? But it also is because we like to read books. The little nerdface glasses is kind of our little theme. It's our theme emoji. It's our theme as you would say. So we always like to bring you guys great books. Um so thank you all for listening. Uh and please take a take a take a peek at that book. Um you can get it at the shop and then please go on and support Deario's work. You represented those uh survivors literally until the day they died. And these um survivors were 6 and 7 years old. They were the last three survivors and there's only one left and she's like 107.
No, no, she's only about 107. She's not 101 yet. She'll get to 111 though.
They're strong. These are strong people.
Can you imagine being a six-year-old and having to live? Oh, she might be. Jason, is she 111?
No. Well, she was 107 at the time, so she might actually be 111. That's possible. That's possible. All right.
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>> Yeah. And now we got the comments going in about me eating these cookies. Now you see >> there. Why do y'all blame Jason? This is We have to get to the bottom of this.
Why does Jason catch all the strays?
There are I told y'all the number of people on our show >> that happens all the time is that, you know, whenever it comes to these cookies, I >> Well, we know Cam didn't do it because he's literally in another country. Cam is in another country. We know Shawn didn't do it cuz she's in another state, right? But the the the suspects, >> there's about three of them.
>> I would say about four suspects. There's several suspects that we >> including yourself.
>> I need >> I ate the two that y'all know I ate. I ate that chocolate fudgy one. I ate.
>> So that means you ate some of them. So you two of them.
>> Okay. But the point is I've eaten.
>> But there were all these other flavors that I didn't get to try cuz y'all ate them my bar. Blame your daughter one and then blame your I should say blame my producer.
>> Yeah, she my producer. We going to give her her honorific. Anyway, we're going to We think it's Neta, but Net's not here. So, I never could have done it, you know.
>> I don't know about that. I think I do think you basically you know when we know those midnight snacks when nobody's around. I don't think Ron did it too cuz Ron don't seem like he I don't think and Ron usually traveling so I don't think he did it but there's a few people I think and and Jason you on the list >> and listen one of these days I'm going to try one but the thing is one of these days I'm going to try one >> you next you right here so you you're closer you're physically close to where the where the moss are. So that's a that's a reality we have to deal with is your your proximity to the bars >> and those webbby cookies right there. I haven't I haven't listen I don't have my name give that to the team. I don't want any of that. I'll put my name on this.
No, I'm saying well give the others to the team. I don't want any.
>> I'll give the other ones to the team.
But this one right, I'll put my name.
See how the plastic in the back is going to say joy.
>> All right, that's fine. Let's get back to our show lady. See, look, the people in the chat, they know what it is. Y'all know what it's like >> when you have people around.
>> It's not me. It is. Anyway, it's not me.
I'm >> the investigation. I'm I'm a journalist and so I'm going to figure it out.
>> Yeah. Okay.
>> We're going to figure that out and also the attacks, the attempts on Trump.
We're going to figure all of this out.
All this investigative journalism is happening. the dude running and he being like, "I'm texting my family while I'm running with eight guns and knives.
Texting my family. Running through the mags.
THROUGH THE MAGS.
I'M A BLACK guy that doesn't get shot by 18 cops.
Through the mags."
>> And you know the sad thing to be true Hey Jordan, the sad thing is, right, since Marsh is one of our sponsors, I should at least have to try a bar. But see, I could give an honest opin There you go. So, thank you. So y'all stop eating them so I can get one. Okay. Then I can actually say to the good people that I actually tasted one. But up to this day I haven't had >> Can I tell you that also when I when we first got the 120 life and I know who drank my 120 life cuz I was like doing my 120 life routine and I came out I did my little my little morning Tai Chi went in to get my 120 life and that was gone too because people just be eating and drinking my stuff. They they didn't even respect my my need to keep my blood pressure down and I need to keep my blood pressure down. So I I went to get my 120 life because I like it cold. I have it in the cold. I have it in the cold fridge. Well, I could have wine. I did I did I did take a >> I went and opened it up to get my little cold fridge. I done my Tai Chi. I have done my whole my poses and everything.
Wait to get it. There was nothing in there. And this one you got to work for it. You got to put this one in the in the blender and I was ready to just go ahead and pop it down and gone. I can't keep nothing. I don't get nothing.
>> I may have been responsible for a few of those.
>> Okay. So now you've admitted that tendency to >> We are talking about 120 life at this point. I'm not talking about you have a tendency.
>> Well, the next time the marsh bars come through, I'm I'm going to talk. I'm going to tell the truth. If I get a marsh bar, we'll let everybody know.
>> Dr. Who drank it? Who?
>> I did have some of those. And especially some of those when I see one or two of them left, I just grab one. I did do that.
>> You did drink.
>> I drank one or two of the cold ones, but >> Okay. Well, see, at least you admitted it. Uh, let's thank $49.99 in the till. Thank you so much.
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Uh, I I I have somebody in here. FP Knox, you're confessing. He's confessing.
A pattern.
>> I am confessing.
>> Wonder pattern. Wonderd Doggy said it's a pattern. I'm right. I'm with you, Wonder Doggy. Jason confessing to all the things.
>> The sad thing is he can only conf I confessed to this. I did say >> says as long as they ain't blaming me that she >> we are. How do you know we're not blaming you?
>> Exactly.
>> How do you know we're not blaming you?
We don't know that. You don't have any evidence that we're not. Yeah. Denise said Jason confessing.
>> I confess to 120 life again. I would let everybody know what a marshall tastes like before Joy Winom everybody eats it.
Okay.
>> I don't know why y'all acting like Nether not a suspect.
>> She don't live here sometimes. Well, she's never around. Well, actually, you know, maybe she's had a few and we don't know about.
>> Na was with us uh for uh the Halloween for New Year. N so Nether was here.
Neither could have to put >> she probably grabbed like four boxes, put in her bag and >> it could be any of these people except Cam who lives in another country or Sean who lives in another state. If you if you live if you've been in this proximity to this studio, we you you're on the list. You're a suspect. I'm just saying. We gonna figure it out. They said, "Thank you FOR PASSING UP, JASON.
I wonder I have done I've said that the 120 life I am responsible for leaving maybe one in the fridge but yes >> bar snatcher we watching you bar snatcher >> I will let y'all know how those marsh balls taste when I get to taste them >> all right let's move on >> let's move on with our show >> um this is this is what you call a hard turn this is a tough story and and I'm glad we got our labs in just to to chat about it because listen they said the sidebars give me life do they do D we we love we love the sidebars and we we love dates and even if he ate the mosh bars.
But let's do a hard turn because this is a really serious story and I'm glad that you guys have stuck around for it because this is important. We need to do some activism for real, for real, for real. I want to show you guys a picture.
This is a picture of Tony Kurthers. So So this is Mr. Kurthers. Um you'll see his happy smile there. and he was convicted and sentenced to die um let me see if I can get over here uh for the alleged kidnapping and murder of a man named Marcelos Anderson. Um and and he has made a a claim of actual innocence in this case. I don't know why my my little computer is not working here. Um hold on just one second. And and so this is a case where um >> You good? No, because I'm I'm not able to get my little mouse to go over where I need it to go. Sometimes the computer just doesn't do what it wants. Sometimes it says it I just don't want to.
>> Well, you could we could look at this mod for a little while till you get your computer together.
>> Yeah. And sometimes the computer just decides it does not want to do what I want it to do. Uh and then it doesn't have an interest in in cooperating with me. And so this is one of those correct information. So I will make sure you >> Yeah. So I'm open this because my computer just decided it doesn't want to but I want to make sure >> we're doing it live. We're doing it live. We're doing it live. My my silly computer decided they do not it does not want to cooperate. So, let's go cuz I want to read this information accurately. So, Tony Kurthers um was convicted, okay, and sentenced to death for his alleged involvement in the kidnapping and murder of a man named Marcelus Anderson. Um Dois Anderson, that's a woman, and a guy named Frederick Tucker back in 1994.
He was given a death sentence for each of those three convictions. His execution is scheduled for May 21st, literally uh a week from today. Um there's no physical evidence in the case. There's never been any physical evidence linking Mr. Kurthers to this crime. The case against him was built entirely on testimony from jail house informants who were widely known to be one of the leading causes of wrongful convictions. Let's talk about the paid informant. For 30 years, prosecutors said that they never gave their main witness anything in exchange for his testimony. But in August of 2024, after years of requests from the defense, the state finally revealed that their key witness had actually been a paid confidential informant. And there are lots of other problems with this case, including um unmatched fingerprints and DNA from the crime scene that do not match Mr. Kurthers. And those prints and DNA have never been compared to the fingerprints and DNA of the alternate suspect. Mr. Kurther's codefendant meanwhile actually came forward in a signed statement affirming that Mr. Kurthers was not involved in the crime and instead pointed to another individual. Now Tony Kurthers is in fact executed. He would be the first person in nearly a century to be put to death after being forced to represent himself at trial. James Montgomery was granted a new trial because the self-representation had deprived him of a fair trial and he was later released from prison in 2016.
So I want to play you a video that's going to show you some of the latest news in the cases is C2 >> know that there is no physical evidence that matches Tony.
>> The fight to prove a Tennessee man's innocence and keep him from being executed continues. Tony Kurthers was convicted 30 years ago of murdering three people in Memphis back in 1994.
Representatives from several civil rights group gathered downtown for a news conference this afternoon to try to update their efforts. Fox 13's Troy Grant joins us live at the National Civil Rights Museum. Troy, they want another look at a forensic test.
Darcy. They say a simple fingerprint test could be what proves that Kurthers is innocent, but they're running out of time as he's scheduled to be executed in two weeks from tomorrow. Now, that's why members of the ACLU and other nonprofit organizations got together to not only ask for help, but call to action and asked Governor Bill Lee to take her brothers off of death row. They say based on the lack of her brother's DNA at the scene, there's no way he could have committed the murders. Her brother's sister, Tanya, spoke this afternoon. She recalled one of the first conversations she had with her brother when all of this came out. She says she knows her brother is innocent, not only based on lack of evidence because but because of who he is as a person. He said, "Tanya, I didn't do this. I was nowhere around."
He said, "I didn't even know it was going to happen." And he said if he knew it was going to happen, he would have done everything he could to try to stop it. That is the brother I know. That is the brother who stood up for me when we were in the rough neighborhoods, who fought the neighborhood bullies on my behalf, on my little brother's behalf.
>> So now, at this time, Kathers was said to be executed on May 21st. Coming up at 6, I'll be back with more details from this today's event, and you'll hear from his attorney.
>> So, this case is beyond dirty. there there there's so much about the case um that does not feel right um that just doesn't seem right and the idea that this man is going to be sentenced to death despite all of the problems in the case then I I I don't know what it is. Let me tell you what the uh what the prosecutor in the case then prosecutor Bobby Carter said. you told the jury, "If these murders don't qualify for the death penalty, then none ever will."
Um, and this of course is in the state of Tennessee, uh, which is probably not a state that you should look for much mercy in. Uh, a couple of other elements to this crime. Now, there was allegedly false testimony about the victims in the case.
Prosecutors at sentencing argued that the victims had been buried alive, which was central to the death sentences that were handed out to Mr. Kurthers. But at a postconviction hearing in 2005, a medical examiner testified that he had reviewed the evidence in 1996 and had convicted the v the victims were dead before they were buried. Another issue, Kurther's attorney argued that his documented history of psychiatric disorders makes his execution unconstitutional. A judge denied the competency motion and his council is appealing that decision. So, the ACLU has filed a lawsuit challenging the state's denial of fingerprint testing.
They're also challenging the court's refusal to consider new evidence. The prosecutors hid their main witness's status as a paid informant and his lawyers from the ACLU. He now has lawyers. They also uh asked Governor Bill Lee of Tennessee to stop the execution, saying it will be deeply unfair to execute him under these circumstances. But again, we're talking about the same guy that is stripping the only black Congress, a majority black congressional district out of his state. So, do we think that this same guy who is literally deleting the only black majority district, who he and the legislature have conspired to delete the only black majority district in Tennessee in Memphis and hand that over to three MAGA Republicans.
Let's let's let's uh talk with our guest. Uh joining me now is Yasiman Kedar. She's the deputy legal director of the ACLU and the director of its Trone Center for Justice and Equality.
And the center advocates for the constitutional and civil rights of those impacted by um things like the death penalty. Um Ms. Kater, first of all, is it Kater or Carter?
>> Kater, you said it right. Yasmin Kater.
So, it's great to be here, Joy. Thank you so much for having me.
>> Thank you, Yasmin. Uh what is the status of the attempt to appeal to the governor of Tennessee?
>> Well, we're waiting. We're waiting to hear what it the courts are going to do.
We have filed actions both in state and federal court. And what we are seeking is for them to test the evidence. We're seeking that they test the physical evidence because it could do two things.
It could exonerate Mr. Tony Kurthers, which is really important. And it can also potentially lead to who the actual person is that committed these crimes.
But you know, Mr. Kurthers is facing the death penalty on the words of unreliable informants. There's not one piece of physical evidence connecting him with this crime and instead really the only reason he's here is because the state is relying on words of unreliable informants that we cannot trust. This is not justice.
>> Does the original prosecutor know all of these issues? I read through them. the the lack of DNA evidence, the lack of physical evidence, the uh uh the person who was part of the crime actually coming forward and saying Mr. Groas was not a part of the crime. Does the original prosecutor know that? And does the the current district attorney of the state of Tennessee know that?
>> They absolutely do. I mean, this has been highly publicized. One can't not know this, you know, if you are at all following what's going on in your own state. And even the jurors from Mr. Kurther's original trial. They themselves later said they would not have voted for death if they had known that the key witness was a paid informant and that the de DNA evidence there wasn't a hit for Mr. Kurthers. So they themselves said if had they known that they wouldn't have voted for death.
So I can't imagine the scenario where somebody who is paying at all attention to the news um of what's going on in their own state would not be aware of this. in the ACLU's as you look at these similar cases, is it not true that black men are disproportionately given the death penalty in in particularly in conservative states like Tennessee?
>> Listen, it is abundantly true that the death penalty and its administration is a biased system that impacts black people and particularly and especially black men in an exorbitantly disproportionate rate. This is across this country. Okay. So, I don't want to limit it to one place. This system of mass incarceration generally is one which has extraordinary racial disparities impacting black people, impacting other people of color. So, it's important, but yes, including and especially in this instance, that's what we're facing here and it's what we face systemically across this country.
>> Uh the James Montgomery president, um this was a man who was granted a new trial because he had represented himself uh as Mr. Kurthers had and that according to the ruling he was deprived of a fair trial because of that and he did get a new trial. He was actually released in 2016. Does that precedent help Mr. Kurthers?
>> It should. We hope it does. I mean what what's so important that this court do is that it look not just at precedent of justice that has happened in the past but also look carefully at the facts of this case and apply the law to the facts. And if that's done, what we see is that justice has not occurred here.
That there is evidence that needs to be tested that if the state is going to have a death penalty in the first place.
Okay? If we are going to do that, if we're going to allow that system to exist, wouldn't you think they'd want to get it right? I mean, here we haven't even tested, the state itself hasn't tested this evidence, which could exonerate Mr. Kurthers. I just don't understand how that can stand. I >> I don't think they care about that. I mean, the problem is I think that in this country there is a there is a desire for prosecutors to have a high win rate that I think matters more to prosecutors than making sure that they're killing the right person. I and I hate to be that cynical, but I think, you know, once a prosecutor is able to notch off a win, they just want it. And, you know, we've seen it with the Central Park Five where those young men were um goated into confessions that were illegal. They were children who were goatated into confessing to a crime they did not commit. And somebody like Donald Trump wanted them all to be executed and they would be dead if Donald Trump had his way.
>> Well, what we have seen though across this country in states throughout this union is we have seen a a a real movement of prosecutors, not just in cases with the death penalty, but in cases more broadly where they go back and they say, "We don't want to stand by a wrongful conviction." So I understand exactly what you're saying, but I have tremendous faith and hope that the right thing can happen here if the people's eyes are open and if the pressure is put upon the decision makers and there are ways that that can happen. There is not um there I I'm not of the same belief that that that we that that things are hopeless and I'm not saying that's what you're saying, but I know there are many people who are feeling that that you know what it's over. Why do we even try?
There is an opportunity for justice.
There is a structure for justice. There is a system that enables justice to happen. And we the people and the public need to pull the levers so that that is what happens.
>> Oh, I'm I am not hopeless about it at all. The reason I do these stories um and we used to do them at the artist, formerly known as MSNBC, is that there is always hope and sometimes uh the light of day um and and people knowing about it and more people knowing about it, not just in your state, can force people into action. And you guys are appealing to the governor, Governor Billy, who is a bad guy when it comes to black voting rights. Um but here's an opportunity for him to to do the right thing. um and to do the right thing at a time when he is under a huge spotlight.
And so I think pressuring the governor um and if we can have the producers really quickly drum up what the phone number is for people to call the governor, Governor Bill Lee um and Wer if you can quickly scramble that I think that would be good. But also is there any possibility given that this is a state case can the Supreme Court intervene? Not that you know at least three of them are decent human beings.
Is there any chance that that the Supreme Court can intervene for him?
Well, we have we we are pushing both in state court and in federal court and so you know anything that is in federal court is something that is you know throughout the entire system. So yes that's absolutely something that if you know if it is if if if a case is teed up the right way and the procedures fall into the right place that's absolutely something that can happen. But one more thing I want to note about the people's power in addition to calling the governor and the number is 6154123133.
Um in addition to calling the governor's office and making one's voices heard, people can sign the ACLU petition which is on aclu.org um calling for Governor Lee to stop the execution and to test the evidence. And remember this, we all have a platform that we can use. We have the people that we know that we speak to, the folks that we can call. We can get online and post about it. We can go and talk about it at our churches and in our synagogues and in in in in our in in all of our places of worship. And we can demand that the courts deliver justice instead of dodging the truth. You know, one thing that I I I appreciate so much about your conversation here is what you're talking about is really a call to the people to hold their their lawmakers accountable.
And that's the power that we have. We have that in our constitution itself. It is what it really demands is that the people arm ourselves with it. And that's what needs to happen here.
>> I 100% agree. Thank you for fighting for him. Uh how is Mr. Kured's spirit? Um, how is his family?
>> Well, I have to tell you, I I I can't imagine what it must be like to face an execution date that is less than two weeks away or to spend 30 years on death row while continuing to proclaim one's innocence. But I can tell you that he and his family are holding on and they know that there are many people who are fighting for him in these final moments.
um he was very very close to his mother who has since passed away and he told one of the lawyers on the team today that he believes her angels are watching over him and that he still has all the faith he needs.
>> Um tell us something about um Mr. Kurthers as a person. He has such a happy smile. What a lovely smile. But tell us something about him that we should know. Well, I think what we should know is the thing that's so important for us to know about anytime you have a person whose not just liberty, but life is on the line is that they were somebody's child, they're somebody's um somebody's, you know, brother, somebody's member of their community. Mr. Tony Kthers is someone who deserves to have his humanity as much a part of the equation as anything else. And that is something that we are asking for people to to care about on its face alone. He is a person in this world who deserves justice. He is a person in our country who deserves justice.
>> Yes indeed. Um and last question to you uh is there any support from the family of the victims um for at least more a second trial or at least an opportunity?
Has the family weighed in at all? Well, you know, there were multiple victims and there's multiple family members and we know that it is a very complex and challenging thing for anyone to be able to to reckon with. But when you look across this movement for Mr. Kurthers and you look at just all of the people who um have been victims of other crimes and other contexts who have said not on my name, not on this time, I think that what we can say is there's tremendous support for Mr. for others and for justice.
>> Uh Yasmin Kedar, thank you for all that you do. We put the number up on again, you can call Governor Billy at 615412 3133. Uh give the ACLU website. Again, I think the ACLU deserves so much support.
Look, if there's one thing y'all are looking, you should be donating to a lot of these uh organizations. The ACLU does uh God's work when it comes to defending immigrants, defending people who are on death row, defending people um for free speech, and ACLU just does such God's work. Please tell us how we can support.
>> Well, again, at aclu.org, there's plenty of opportunities for you to to to support. And we also have affiliates um in every state. So, we, you know, join up and link arms and let's go and um bring this country forward together.
>> Thank you so much. We appreciate you, Yasmin Kater.
>> Appreciate you. Thank you so much.
>> We're going to stay updated on this case. We're going to keep you guys posted because we're not letting this go. And the governor of Tennessee um is at this moment doing absolutely nil for black people in his state. He does not uh seem to care uh whether they can vote, whether they can choose the representatives of their choice. He uh is joining with his political party um to strip them of their one sole lone district. Um, but here's an opportunity for Bill Lee, um, who I believe claims to be a Christian, uh, to do one good thing. Um, and to save the life of an innocent man. Um, this is not, uh, a man who is known to be guilty. I'm very anti-death penalty anyway. Um, but the reality is in this case there is there is actual evidence of innocence. Um, actual evidence of innocence. And why would the state of Tennessee want to have the blood of Tony Kurugus on their hands? Why would the governor um you know putting through this execution, why would he want the blood of Tony Kurthers on his hands? Why would he want that? Uh why would he want the pain of these of this family on his hands in addition to the three people who were killed? It would just be a fourth person murdered effectively in the same crime.
>> At least retry the evidence and make sure at least you know retry the evidence. I give him I mean why can't it take it could take about a month, right?
give him his day in court and with the full scientific evidence on the table, not giving the prosecutor the unneeded advantage of a confession by a paid informant, which is questionable, no DNA evidence, no actual evidence that the man did it. They're going all of this on the word of a paid informant that's getting something for saying that he did it, even when one of the co-conspirators in the actual crime says he didn't do it. He wasn't he had nothing to do with it. So, this is a challenge. uh to Governor Lee. This is a a big challenge to him. Um that this is this is something that he ought to do and that he can do because this man there is evidence that he is actually factually innocent. And prosecutors lied to the jury and claimed that these three uh innocent victims, these poor men, were buried alive. That's not even true.
Um, and they said that in order to get the jury, many of whom now regret their decision to vote to kill Tony Herods.
And now all of this information comes out as it always does. The Innocence Project does a lot of this great work as well, where you find out that not only was the case flawed, but the person probably didn't do it at all.
And now it is up to the governor of the state of Tennessee. Um, which is the bad news because that is not a state that exactly values black lives, you know, but he can be made to um do it in public. Whatever Governor Lee is going to do, he needs to do it in the light of day. He should not be able to scurry off into the background and put this man to death because it will be on your hands.
His blood will be on your hands, Governor. Well, I think the least everybody can do that's listening is at least, you know, go to the ALCU's um website and >> put something I mean call.
>> Yeah. I mean, if his DNA is not wasn't there, I mean, he does he deserve at least a chance.
>> Yeah. People are talking about Troy Davis. We covered the Troy Davis execution that when he was in he was he was innocent. This was a very likely innocent man. And this country um this country kills innocent people all the time. Unfortunately, it is a thing that we do. We're one of the last western nations uh the developed nations to use the death penalty at all. Um you know we're we're there with Iran and other countries uh that we consider to be not first world that do the death penalty and the United States is in that ignaminious group of countries that kill people um that have the state murder people. Um that is something we do here uniquely in the west. Most western countries have put aside that barbaric tradition. We have not. And the fact that we're not even sure some of these people did it. Um, I will never forget the um the the the the Stinny case. Uh, this little boy who was executed. Um, he was just a little kid, Joseph Stiny, who was I think he was 12 and the, uh, state of South Carolina, North Carolina, uh, killed him, claiming that he killed a little girl and he hadn't done it at all, but he was up. He had to be sat on uh books >> because George Stenny, I'm sorry, George Stenny. Um a little black boy who was executed was 14 years old. He was convicted during an unfair trial of the murders of two white girls. Um and it was in South Carolina in 1929, the year my mother was born, 1929. And back when I was uh managing editor of the Grio, we interviewed his brother who survived him, who was his older brother who was deeply depressed from then on as a little kid, not being able to do anything about his brother. The whole family had to flee South Carolina >> um because they were being threatened with lynching.
>> You remember the electoral thing couldn't fit on the little boy's head. I mean, >> the he was so small that he had to be sat on books and they a I had nightmares about this case for a year. He you see his sweet little face and he's he's he's a little boy and they executed him in the state of South Carolina. Um and so you can't always stop the horrible things.
Okay. Um but but but we can try to stop this one. Um I believe that we uh let's see that we have some breaking news.
Um let me get to that quick breaking news before I get to our guest. Uh the Supreme Court has lifted the mandate for Alabama to use a US House map with two majority uh black districts. Meaning the Supreme Court has said that, let me just read the AP story. The Supreme Court is basically allowing uh the state of Alabama to rewrite its districts to deprive African-Americans in that state of a second district. The United States Supreme Court, this is the AP, on Monday, set the stage for Alabama to get rid of one of two black congressional districts before this year's midterm elections, creating an opening for Republicans to gain an additional US House seat in a partisan battle for control of the closely divided chamber.
The decision follows a rule uh Supreme Court ruling in April that struck down a majority black US House district in Louisiana as unconstitutional racial gerrymander, significantly weakening a provision of the Federal Voting Rights Act. No, not significantly weak weakening, killing the Voting Rights Act. They cut the guts out of it. skin is hanging limp on the in a tree. But uh they they lynched the voting rights act is gone. Alabama officials had pointed to the Louisiana case as a reason for the Supreme Court to end the judicial order to use a court court imposed house map until after the 2030 census. The high court overturned that order and directed a lower court to reconsider the case in light of the Louisiana decision.
that could free the state to instead use a map approved in 2023 by the Republican le legislature that includes only one district where black uh residents constitute a majority. Anticipating a court reversal, Alabama officials, we told you about this at the top of the show, so we're coming full circle. Um, anticipating a court reversal, Alabama officials recently enacted a law allowing it to void the result of a May third a May 19th primary for some congressional district and instead hold a new primary under revised district boundaries. is up to Republican Governor K. Ivy, who's 177 years old and apparently participated in the Civil War, to set a date for a special primary election, though it must occur by August. So the if you voted in the state of Alabama, your votes were just wiped off the map by the Supreme Court. In a descent to Monday's brief ruling, Justice Sonia Sotomayor said the Louisiana case had reserved only one of the grounds upon which the Alabama case has been decided, although the Voting Rights Act violation is gone. And soayor said a lower court could still find that Alabama had intentionally discriminated against black voters in violation of the 14th amendment. The decision was a setback for black residents, a group that had waged a legal fight for several years to get a second Alabama congressional district where black voters had an opportunity to elect a person of their choosing. I will note that Alabama is 27% 27% black nearly a third black but all 27% of the state which live in what you call the black belt it's they're very concentrated and they only had one congress member like Mississippi which is 33% black and so what Alabama had done is they said all y'all negroes get one congressman all the negroes get one and the people in in uh that state said no we should have two if we just go by the math, we should have two. And they actually won that case. And uh the Supreme Court said, "No, you didn't." The Supreme Court said, "You thought you won, but we know better." John Crow fully in effect in the state in the great state of Alabama in addition to everywhere else.
So there you are. Boom. And boom. And boom. Yes, Georgia. Well, we don't know if Georgia is next. Um to go to the chat here, uh what is this? The Golden Lion08 says Georgia is next. Maybe not because maybe Brian Kemp will do it. But Brian Kemp knows there is literally a primary election coming up within what the next two weeks. I showed you guys the map earlier. If he does it, if Georgia if if Brian Kemp decides to do this in Georgia, I promise you the next governor of Georgia will be a Democrat because you're going to make those black people so 38 hot that you're going to trigger voter turnout in a state where black people actually do turn out. That's not This isn't Louisiana where black folks for whatever reason don't vote. They don't come out. They come out in Georgia. They come out in Georgia in full force. So go ahead and make Kesha Lance Bottoms the next governor of Georgia. Brian, we welcome you. Welcome to the party. You want You want Kesha Lance Bottoms to be your governor? Go ahead and play with them districts because that's you can't gerrymander a statewide race. You can't jerrymander a statewide race. And I will also say this to K Ivy. There are some good candidates running for governor of Alabama. Doug Jones used to be uh the senator from Alabama. That means Democrats can win statewide in that state if they're mad enough. You can win statewide in Alabama if you're mad enough because they did it before. Doug Jones won statewide in Alabama. So go ahead, play with Alabama because what you're going to do is rouse the anger and the rage of that 27%. Then if they decide they're going to come out at 70 or 80% turnout, now you got a problem holding on to the state. You can't jerrymander a whole state. You can only jerrymander a district, not a state. But y'all let them jerrymander that state and don't come out and vote.
This is what they're going to do to you.
They want maggot to control even your school board. You can't even choose what books you read. You have no control of your lives. So if you're mad about it, get mad. I will note that Alabama is the state where on Saturday there's going to be a major activation. Go to all roadslee tothe south.com. All roadslead tothe south.com. Go on there and you can register to be in Montgomery. Now you have a real reason to go. You have a triple double quadruple reason to go.
Now you know Clarence Thomas was just sitting back there like I'm not black. I'm Clarence.
All right. Let's turn. We didn't take a hard turn. We needed we had to uplift ourselves over on this Mother's Day weekend. This past Mother's Day weekend, Jason and I had the pleasure of being in Atlantic City, New Jersey, one of the good blue states that lets black people vote and have and have members of Congress along with our producer Nakan, who was also with us for an epic '9s concert featuring supergroup Jodicy Escape and this brother right here. Play the >> title.
make the promise of y'all know the song.
Y'all know the songs. I can't play it because you know YouTube don't let us play music. We had to play just a teeny titty teeny bitty bit. Uh so that you guys can say yes. That is the Kenny Land Grammy award nominated artist with a career spanning two decades and include and and and an inductee of the National R&B hall of fame. Um you can look for behind the scenes pics on my social media. I'm going to post them there where I'm actually allowed to put music on. He's got some I mean know my terrible camera work there. Don't don't blame me for that. It's my iPhone. uh and he's got some wonderful news to share and he joins me now. Hey Kenny.
>> Hey. How are you doing? Oh my gosh, it is so fantastic um to just be in your presence. Number one, I thank you so much for being you, for how you represent our community and uh our world because oh gosh, it's so important, you know, uh just letting you know that I'm tuning in. I'm listening to the things that you're talking about that are affecting our world and particularly our our what was democracy and um but but thank you. I know this is a lighter moment that we're going to get into.
>> We need it. We together we need it. Well well not all the way light because I do have to I before we get to the good news, you have some wonderful news to share and it was wonderful to get a chance to actually meet you. Uh you know this is favor ain't fair. Like they say favor >> ain't fair. We were going to go to the concert anyway, but I got a chance to meet you uh uh to chat with you a little bit and so you shared your news with me.
But before we get to that, um I want to show this this this clip. It's not a clip, but it's a still of the fact that you not not long ago were performing at the Kennedy Center for the performing.
>> It was Oh my gosh.
>> And how about we were tributing Marvin Gay, Duke Ellington, some of the great African-American performers from the DC area.
>> Yes. And um everything flipped like it felt like weeks later.
>> Uh the the Kennedy Center was no longer a desirable place to to perform. A lot of people were so disappointed and I I could see people making that exit. They were like we are out of here. But um the memorial what the Kennedy Center had had done through the years I think was so important and it was very unifying.
Um so and I'm from I'm from Washington DC so you know being a native Washingtonian. Um and to see some of the changes that are taking place it is like we're in a Twilight Zone >> movie or television show. I mean it really is.
>> Yeah. It it's hard and and you know the arts um they feel even more important in a moment like this, right? I mean some of our subversion, right? That it's subversive to be an artist and you know you see but you yet you see a lot of musical artists, you know, at the Met Gala as if nothing's happening, chilling with Jeff Bezos like nothing's happening. Is there a divide among artists about whether but not even about being political but whether you should be outspoken?
Uh I think I think there is um for various reasons. I think some people feel like their career has uh reached a certain plateau where they're not held with the same responsibility um as others. Uh there's in particular one of them in the R&B world, one of the tragedies that we saw and and this is a good conversation because I've been thinking about this. Creset Michelle, >> who is a wonderful R&B singer, >> was a part of she literally sang one song as a part of the inauguration of of Donald Trump the first time with a guy named Travis Green who's in the gospel industry.
>> She wasn't the star, the head, the whatever like we see Snoop Dogg or Nelly or, you know, some of the others >> that have been like, "Hey, no problem."
Maybe they feel maybe it's because they're so mainstream that they feel like we can't be touched in in this particular time in our career.
>> But then you have a cresette who was black ballalled and I hate it because it's a beautiful black woman, an amazing talent.
Her counterparts, the person that she went on stage with, went on to win the Grammy. They went they went on everybody everybody survived whatever or went on like nothing happened. But this black woman was left to bear everything like to to bear the weight of you sang at that inauguration and she was made an example of okay fine okay okay all of that happened and time has has gone on but the inequities that take place in the entertainment industry I think are about you know is my brand big enough to survive it and she was still in an upand cominging and vulnerable place and uh it really tarnished her brand. So, you have some people that are going to feel a fear about that. Oh, if I say something political, I don't know if if I'm on the right side of it. Uh whether it's the Republican side or the Democratic side, we know that black America. Uh we're forgiving though as I mean as a culture as we're very forgiving >> but I I think there's still um and and through time like because I listened to her story and I was like wow her story she didn't she wasn't a Trump supporter necessarily. It it wasn't that wasn't the the issue for her. She was just trying to sing and she thought that her gift would be unifying.
>> So we as artists are thinking hey we're the ones that can come in and sing and bring people together and all of that.
So, we're kind of hoping that our gifts reach beyond the political barriers, but then there are times when you you got to pick a side.
>> You got to pick a side.
>> Got to pick a side. I mean, the reality is like Snoop and those guys, you know, he he's, you know, lost a lot of followers and whatever, but he still got TV deals and all sorts of things. To your point, the wealthier ones, they can sort of survive it.
>> So, the consequence is not the same.
>> Yeah. And Nicki Minaj, look, I mean, I don't know what she's doing, but she's getting rewarded so much by Trump that I think she doesn't care. You're right.
People are just deciding.
>> I think that later on that she something's going to happen where they're going to feel the understanding that because you have money and all of that, sometimes there are people who say, "Oh, you're not black." I'll just say it that way.
>> Or you're or you're not like them.
>> And but that still is not the end all. I think that there's at some point you have to deal with the reality that when you walk in the room, you are allowed in for just a transaction.
>> That's right.
>> And if you were allowed in for a transaction, that's a that's a tough place to be and and to be so have so much bravado and shout out for something because you think it's about money. But gosh, money is so like small and it's just nothing. We can always make money, people. We are the creators of this culture. We are the creators of this music and the fashion and all of that.
We can always make money.
>> Um, and then we're the we're the greatest consumers according to research.
>> So the the So money's out there. We've got to start thinking about the dignity of of us as a people and who we are. We really, really do.
>> Yeah. As our one of our commenters just said, all money ain't good money. Well, I can tell you what is good money.
>> All money ain't good money.
>> Ain't good money. Right. Well, going to see you is good money, my brother. You You are always >> Your voice is perfection. Uh it was super fun concert. But you uh shared that you know your lovely wife uh there there she is. Oh, look at that beautiful picture. Um >> you have some news uh you and >> our breaking news. This is my my first podcast, live interview, television interview, whatever you in in any consideration that we are having our baby number two >> and we are so excited and we waited um there was so much going on in the world too that you know it it we wanted to celebrate like and with our first uh child our daughter we celebrated from the moment we knew that she was coming and it was all the way through but you know we're finding out also that the internet and social media is not always kind. Even when you have children, >> even when you have great things that happen to you, so many people are unhappy and and triggered by other people's happiness. That's a whole different story >> that's led us down a road where we have a lawsuit against YouTube right now >> and we have a very major >> publication newspaper that's going to be interviewing us probably by July. you're going to see some things because we're fighting for legislation in that whole social media world, particularly at YouTube, where people that are foreign perpetrators of of of information can be held accountable because we have been investigating uh this phenomenon of black slander, particularly of our pastors, >> listen, >> and public figures who uh are are positive in our community. And I guess it's shocking. People click click click click click. If if you say that somebody that we know is a tremendously reputable person has something smear something negative on them, we click click click click which we've got. We we have to stop doing that.
>> That's right.
>> But um we had a situation where YouTube there was so many reports that she and I were divorcing. Okay. this is in the middle of us having this baby and everything that we were divorcing and that we were having these arguments all kinds of things being fabricated online and all of a sudden Google started to report that it was true citing these these sites. So, it was a very interesting time for us where we were like, you know what? Let's just be quiet and and live in our own happiness and and the goodness of what is really happening. And this baby is coming like any day now.
>> So, we I didn't think we could keep it a secret from your fans. But, I mean, >> like, yes, we can do it.
>> We love And we love Judge Faith, by the way. And look, the the reality is is that you're you're you're hitting on something that, you know, Jason and I go through this, too. There are whole documentaries about us that are like 90% untrue and people like sending it to me that know me and are like, "Oh my god, that you they they did a tour of your house."
It's like, "That's not my house, baby. I don't know who that is." They saying all kinds of lies. And that is the thing is it's so unregulated, right? That people can make up anything, make and then pe they earn money from the clickbait of it.
>> That is it. And we want to regulate that some kind of way where at least at the very least if it could be labeled AI, we have these men who are using women's voices and AI to tell these it's it's really like the wild wild not even the wild west, the wild wow world out there.
The whole thing is is absolutely ridiculous.
>> But um but I want people to remember and and Faith and I have just really tremendously become advocates for this because people don't think of us as real. They don't think of us as human that are celebrated rather. Let me let me make that clear. When people are celebrated, sometimes there are people that have not chosen to be celebrated that become celebrated and you rise to the occasion to be uh whatever the best you can in that particular space. Um, I I speak at Howard University's uh there's a psychology and fine arts class, wonderful professor, James Ballard, who uh allows me to to come in and and give perspective to what it's like being a celebrity. And I try to teach and talk about these things with the kids now because so many of them still desire fame >> and they just they what they think it is. And I I try to go in and speak to them about what it truly is, the good, the bad, and the ugly, so that they can make a decision, a better decision. And then I focus on passion and making sure that uh what they do is they don't forget why they fell in love with certain aspects of the arts, certain aspects of uh you know, whether it's dance uh or what or or music or what have you. and know that it's broader than you just becoming a big star >> because you become a target for so many different things that if you're not mentally prepared for. We've seen people take their lives.
>> We've seen beauty queens >> who are smart, beautiful, gorgeous, and and take their lives because people are trolling them. I mean, it's it's like really uh an insane atmosphere.
>> It is to thrive in it. Well, you have uh explained one more reason why we have to vote because in order to get good legislation through, we have to have decent people elected who actually care about the people. So, this is just yet another reason why we all need to register and vote and make sure that we're putting not grifters, but decent human beings into Congress and in our state houses to pass these laws that we need. Before I let you go, good brother, uh when did we get some more music? We need, you know, we need you got a baby coming out. a lot going on, but I know you might have some music coming out that might be of the baby friendly variety. Please tell us more. Say more.
>> Thank you. I have a, you know, Faith and I when we were thinking, "Oh gosh, we're about to announce this baby." Uh, and a couple of weeks prior to us uh doing that, Faith was saying, "You know what?
You should do a lullaby album like some of the songs that you sing to Skyler."
And I'm I'm always making up a song around the house. I don't care what is.
If we're going to the store, I get Skyler together and it's we're going to the store now. We're going to the I matter. I just make up something for her and she gets a kick out of it.
>> So, uh there is a for you the the lullaby albums. There's a version of my song for you. There's uh a version of Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star, which I'm singing in English, Chinese, and in Spanish.
>> There's I mean just stuff that because that's another thing that's that's authentic to our house. our our daughter is in a um language a bilingual uh school so that teaches her languages >> and um and then some we started with somewhere over the rainbow >> which I thought was uh beautiful and appropriate just uh something that is soothing again bringing some positivity but when you think about your child and the peace that you want them to have and home and and all the things that uh are are just good sometimes you need that music soundtrack to go along with it.
And uh so the Lullaby album is um available for pre-save now. And if you want to hear Somewhere Over the Rainbow, go to kennylmore.com >> or go to uh Kenny Latimore, my Instagram page and all that, you'll see links and things about it. Uh we just felt that we wanted to give something during this time of us uh sharing and experiencing this great news.
>> I love it. Well, I you know, look, I I would ask you for two or three bars, but I want people to go to the website. You want to give us Well, give us a bar.
Give us one bar.
>> Do that and you'll hear the rainbow way up high.
There's a land that I've heard of.
I get to sing nice and soft to the Oh, it's it's it's so incredible for me.
Katy Latimore. Can I just keep it real with you? That baby not going to the baby sing.
The baby's gonna be like, "My dad, my dad is singing a hit and I want to hear it to the very end." The baby gonna be awake all night. So will you. You're never getting Okay. Okay. That's so funny that you say that. Okay. Then that gives me an opening. There are then we have the instrumental that goes on and on because when you think of lullabibies you don't want it to just be the song and the song go off and the atmosphere changes and all that. So the song goes on and then we have the instrumentals and things too that go on. So >> that's like the comment if the story was too good I'm awake. I'm like, I got to hear the end of this. And then I'm gonna have to have like 18 minutes of song after you.
The baby will actually like, all right, fine. I give up. I go to sleep.
>> I give up. Kenny Latimore, uh, you're terrific. Please tell Judge Faith, you know, we love you. She's getting so much love in the chat. We love you both. You guys are both fantastic, awesome, fabulous, gorgeous, and we just know that baby is going to be too. God bless you and your family. Good, good friend.
>> Blessings. Until next time, thank you again for all that you do. Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you being our voice and and educating us.
>> Yes, >> I appreciate you, brother. Thank you.
Oh, that was so much fun. Kenny Latimore, everybody. Please, a round of applause, Jason. A round of applause.
>> He gave I didn't think he was going to give us any song. He gave us a little song. I'm like, for clamp, that was f.
Oh, his voice is butter. It's like butter.
>> I kind of figured you was going to go there, you know?
>> Just I just need a tiny little song.
Just a little bit. Like butter. I'm telling you, that voice is something else, man. All right, y'all. See, see how we lift you up? We see now you do scaring is caring. We gonna terrify you about the new pandemic. We gonna get you angry about the voting rights being snatched away and Alabama becoming back to Jim Crow, but now it's John Crow.
Y'all know that's the new lingo is John Crow because John Crow Roberts created it. Then we're going to just really make you feel sad and also outraged about them attempting to put to death this innocent man in the state of Tennessee.
But then we're going to bring you back at the end. We're always going to bring you back. Sor Karen Stoop said, "We appreciate you keeping us informed. all caps. We're going to bring you back at the end, lift you back up, and not only are we going to give you the great Kenny Latimore, who's such a great guy, such a nice guy. He was just so warm and friendly uh to us when we met with him backstage at the concert, but now we're going to end with our moment of joy because the the joy has to continue. And our moment of joy on tonight is by Glow Plus Emmy Rolum. A quick message, if you want to fight me, you got to go through my dog first.
I'm sorry. I meant Gio plus Emmy. I can't read. Reading is fundamental. Gio plus Emmy. Emmy said, "No, you don't."
Gio said, "If you want to fight me, you got to go to my dog first." And Emmy said, "Who am I fighting? Who? Oh, you think I'm gonna fight somebody?"
No, I'm not. The dog looked at him like, >> "You see these bones? You see any muscles on this body?"
>> I'm a leisure dog.
>> I'm a leisure dog. I >> laugh, right? Look what you talking about. First of all, where my snacks?
>> Exactly. Go get my food, human.
>> He said the dog said, >> "How dare you put me on?"
>> I looked around like, "Which dog going to fight for you? Is there another dog in here? You didn't tell me back. Where the other dog at?" Because I know you ain't talking about me. He said, "Where a dog?
>> You going to take me out this comfortable bed to start some crap? If I go out in the streets, they're going to be thinking I'm no hard.
>> Fight who? Excuse me. What?
>> Oh, you thought I was a guard, dog.
I'm a leisure dog, darling. I don't I don't I don't fight. I fight hunger by having a snack. I fight boredom by barking on the occasion. That's it. I'm a little dog. I don't fight. Fighting is for brutes. Don't look like a brute. No.
No. Absolutely not. All right, once again, the webbby I want you all to see.
Be the witnesses to the existence of this cookie fully in plastic, completely whole and unbitten, so that if you see it again and somebody ate it, you know what kind of games are a foot?
>> That would be the person that is holding the webbby in her hand.
>> Yeah.
>> No, that would be down like see right there.
>> There. That person right there. If it goes missing, >> that one right there, >> the person that consumed it is on your screen.
>> It's going to be joy.
>> Should we play real quickly before we go our acceptance speech?
>> Please. Yeah. In case you all missed the acceptance speech at the front, the Emmys have the the Emmys. The Webby's happened without us tonight. There was a red carpet, you know, but I said, "You know what? We got to do the show. We had to come and and do our work. We weren't going to skip being with you guys in order to be at the Emmys, but we appreciate the Emmys. The Webby's. Love being a Webbby winner, a Webbby award-winning podcast. Best new podcast in the news and information category.
Very proud of it. The best new uh podcast category. Very meaningful >> because it means that the people who are looking at all the new podcasts that are out that came out last year looked at ours and said, "When it comes to informing you, giving you news information, uh, and and being a community, uh, resource for information, history, and all the rest, we're the best. We the best. We the best." I tell you what, June 11th is our um oney year anniversary. Yeah.
>> Um I'll eat one of those cookies then once we get to the year anniversary.
>> Yeah. If they last that long, they gonna be >> Well, I will be taking one and putting it aside. So you look somebody already reaching. You see you see the hand already. And there goes a person who eats the marsh balls, y'all. At least one of >> Look at a hand a ghostly hand already came in. Slap a hand.
>> See, there I live. All right, y'all.
Thanks for tuning in. I ain't never going to taste no Webby cookie. See y'all tomorrow. I mean on Wednesday.
Dang it. Bye >> bye fam.
>> Back to the basics level. Let me dig a little deeper with the shovel. Plenty can't tell the forest from the trees that I'm hard to detect. Like a black hole in the dark. Injustice anywhere.
It's a breath of justice everywhere. Let me make this clear. I got a bone to pick and I'll never fear the threat of poverty. They don't want to talk about it. They rather party. So I'm a real talk about it for show.
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