Is The Left Failing? | With Ada Akpala

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[00:00:02]Hello ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Rational Female podcast and today we've got a great guest Ada Akapala and she has a channel. Some of you are probably or maybe familiar with her work. She's very very interesting. So, I'm very happy to have her on today. And we're going to be discussing the state of contemporary UK politics and culture, touching on subjects like multiculturalism, immigration, victimhood, the leftright divide, potentially a bit on Islam if we have time. But yeah, so um you'll be very welcome here today, Ada. So why don't you start by telling us a bit about your background and how you got into making YouTube videos and discussing culture and identity politics.

[00:00:48]>> Thank you for having me on. It's a pleasure to be here. So my background personally um I was born in Nigeria and I came here to the UK at 10 years old.

[00:00:58]Um started off in London, then we moved to um West Midlands, Birmingham and you know I've been through so many different things. you know the normal things, school life, college and so on. But what got me po politically minded and interested in the culture of this country is was around 2020. So 2020 was when I think a lot of people became politically conscious. You had the Black Lives Matter movement at that point where those particularly on the left were urging people and urging I'm saying that as an >> understand 2020.

[00:01:37]>> Yeah. 2020.

[00:01:39]>> Yeah.

[00:01:40]>> Um you had those from the left urging people to you know check privileges and you know think about what they're entitled to based on their skin color.

[00:01:50]So I basically was watching things that were going on in the UK and beyond. Um, I wasn't liking what I was seeing in terms of the narratives coming out of mainstream institutions, media institutions. Um, talking about victimhood and a lot of, you know, misconceptions about history, about, you know, how we should relate to each other. And I just thought I'm going to start talking about this.

[00:02:13]>> That's fantastic. Yeah. I mean, it's interesting you said 2020 cuz personally, I think it started a lot earlier. So, I'm a Gen Z, older Gen Z.

[00:02:21]I'm 28 and I feel like I actually came of age as this stuff was unfolding when I was at university and saw the rise of Trump. I feel like that's when we had more of this left right divide. So I'd like to start by asking as per our question. So why do you think the so actually um do you consider yourself politically leftwing, right-wing, centrist? Where would you say you generally fall politically overall?

[00:02:47]I think I am definitely politically flexible. I always say I don't have a permanent allegiance to any ideology or any movement. And I know that because I am I get very what's the right word? I don't really like people telling me what to do. And that's no matter what what spectrum it is, whether that's right or whether that's left. So I'm definitely I'm not politically homeless. homeless. I'm not sort of heterodox. I'm not these things because I have very strong views on specific things, but those views I'm very open to change them and I want to be free to change them. A lot of people and you know I take it as a compliment and they always say well you should get into politics and things like that but the problem is party politics for me is so there's a certain structure there's a certain game to it. I think it shouldn't be but that is just the reality of it.

[00:03:46]you know, there's things that you you have to say, there's things you can't say. There's things you have to criticize depending on, you know, which party you're representing that day. And that's just not me. I want to be free to think, truly free to think and change my mind wherever I want to. So, I would say I'm politically flexible.

[00:04:04]I've never heard the term politically flexible. You sound to me like a freethinker or almost like a classical liberal. I would say myself culturally I'm a classical liberal. not economically but culturally. Um yeah, so I would like to ask then why do you think the modern left as per you said from 2020 onwards is failing? What do you think is the biggest problem with the modern left? Because it's a big big problem.

[00:04:28]>> Yeah. Well, as you rightly pointed out this shift um to what I will call an activist culture and mindset started much earlier than 2020. But I think 2020 was the sort of explosive, you know, cathartic release for a lot of people on the left. So, and you know, just by speaking to a lot of people, I think they became more especially online and especially more vocal about a lot of things 2020 onwards. Um but yes, follow following on from what I said, the modern left, as we've seen at the time of this recording, we've just had local elections where, you know, you had reform the right wing of this country basically hemorrhaging seats from from Labor, right? So it all comes down to this. Labor has lost the people. Labor was meant to be the party that listened to the people, right? For the workers.

[00:05:25]um for the women and so on from the under represented let's say and they've gone from that from representation of these of these cohorts in society to become an activist party an activist group now recently especially with the rise of reform they have tried to change a bit tried to play the game you know showing showing that maybe they can be a bit tougher on immigration and social order and things like that but the fact of the matter is they can't shake that the activist um um vibe that they've built up in the last few years and that's why we've seen they've lost the Midlands, they've they've lost the North Heartlands because the thing with activism is that it's actually quite distant. It's ironic because activists think that they're championing causes for people but to but the way they operate is problematic is very abstract, distant, bureaucratic, academic, right?

[00:06:22]when you're talking about climate change, when you're talking about um um th this this almost worship of transnationalism, you know, Brexit, how can we be part of this one one continent and so on. These things don't relate to those on the ground, to people on the ground who care about their local, the community, their pubs, their families, and so on and so forth. And I think that is why Labor or the left in general has lost and will continue to lose those who were once its, you know, main supporters. That's just the reality of it.

[00:07:04]>> Yeah. No, that ties in really well with another question I have. So, a lot of the people in the chat are saying that they agree with you that the left now represents the kind of educated class, the academic professionals. And traditionally if we go back to like say N Bevvern or Tony Ben like these people were very much for the people the whole point of labor was to be for the working people and I myself my background in terms of my family we come from my background is Labor pro labor um I'd actually wonder if you can give me some examples of them becoming what you would describe now as an activist party like what are some specific policies you have say they have done to make themselves be an activist party >> I can't think of any specific policies as opposed to specific sort of thought movements that they've had when it's come when you think about um the trans debate for example right you had the the issue with you know Tavis stock and a lot of um mistakes shall I say again another understatement that were made that saw them not listening to concerns from parents right from people and rather listening or looking more at this, you know, listening to your so-called overarching evidence of how this might be good for those who are struggling with gender dysphoria. So it it's I can't think of any specific policies, but I know that they have engaged in this kind of rhetoric where those who are supposedly um underrepresented, they haven't been able to champion their actual causes, but they've listened, they've built up, you know, engaged in a bloated civil service um where a lot of our tax money is going to as well. So it's it's all backwards, I think.

[00:09:02]Yeah, I mean I would say just for I know there are a couple of examples like I know you were protesting against digital ID and I watched that video you did was very good speech and so that's a you know I would say digital ID is a big one and also cuz I made a video on this like back in December they want to introduce anti-misogyny laws so I think you're completely right about them becoming a kind of activist party which brings me to the question then so do you think there is a liberal elite and what would you say this is >> so liberal elites are the cultural and political um and academic class which is people mostly from the middle class backgrounds who are more or less removed far removed from you know the poor areas of this country and so they have these grand utopian lovely ideas as to how society should run right these are the kinds of people that for example will say to you that London is perfectly safe and there's absolutely nothing to worry about.

[00:10:03]Whereas, you know, at the same time, you have um the mayor um basically um greenlighting stickers on floors to say please keep your phone right next to you so that you know so how the the two doesn't marry up. you. These are the kinds of people that will champion things like DEI, diversity inclusion, right? Because it doesn't actually affect them. It doesn't actually they've got their jobs. They've got their diversity management roles. They've got their inclusive, you know, director roles. So, it it doesn't actually affect them. But what it does is that it affects number one the working class, the white working class, which data I think a report will be out in a couple of in a month or so to show how how badly they're doing in in on all measures in society, educationally, financially and so on. So it it's not affecting them directly. So these are the kinds of people what some commentators have said to have what you call um luxury beliefs, right? So these beliefs about society, how how interactions and society should be, but they're not actually directly affected by it. They are the kind that will that will smear you as far right races for bringing up concerns um about the Grooming scandal, for example, >> it doesn't affect them, right? It doesn't affect them. It doesn't affect their elite circles. affects those who do not have a voice which is which were the white and is actually because it's still going on the white working class girls.

[00:11:44]>> Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I've been thinking about this as well. Like, I feel like a lot of the kind of we could say liberal elitist class of like very and they're not really liberals. They're actually more like neo neoprogressives.

[00:11:57]They have this kind of very removed view like they haven't actually experienced, you know, being around people who have been involved in gangs. They haven't experienced like the nittygritty of, you know, life in London or in a city like Birmingham. I take it your background is working class as well or is it middle class?

[00:12:16]>> Yeah, it's it's yeah, higher working class. It's it's very interesting because when I was in Nigeria because Nigeria is very different.

[00:12:24]Nigeria is a kind of country that when you have you really have. So there's a really a great divide. You it's have and have not have nots there. Whereas here it's really nice and that's why a lot of people want to come here. Even if you don't have, you can have kind of things.

[00:12:38]So you have your upper middle class, upper class, middle class, and then you have your working class. So in Nigeria, we were definitely upper class cuz we had houses, we have all my family members are professional. But I think here I will say we were low middle class. Um yeah, >> that's cool. Yeah. So my background is definitely very workingass. So yeah, and I would say Nigeria sounds similar to Tanzania, which is where my dad is from.

[00:13:02]So I want to say something. Um, you talk a lot about Black Lives Matter and black people in the UK who don't necessarily support BLM. And I found, you know, that a lot of, and I really don't like saying this because I'm very careful now because I think when I say like white left-leaning people, I'm talking about the liberal elites. And I know they're not all white. I know there are a lot of them who are, you know, ethnic as well.

[00:13:25]But it seems to me that you have this certain class of like woke white people who seem to say things like, you know, all lives matter. and they keep telling me how, you know, racism is bad. And for me, it's very condescending and somebody I admire a lot. So, Malcolm X, he because for various reasons, but I think he was very honest because he said that white liberals are worse than white conservatives. And that's my personal experience. I find that like conservative people in general or centrist people are more open-minded whereas the kind of middle class white leftistleaning people, neoprogressives, they seem to be very removed from this stuff and they seem to just say like like they're kind of the ones pushing the wokeis and the people like you know Robin D'Angelo or those academic theorists like Judith Butler types. So yeah. So, what exactly um is your stance in general on Black Lives Matter? And do you think that it ties in with this kind of rhetoric coming from this kind of neoprogressive bourgeoisi fake labor class of people?

[00:14:30]>> Yeah. Yeah. Firstly, they will never say all lives matter. That's like a curse word for them because they believe, you know, that well by their actions certainly that only some lives matter or important and that's those who are not white. We've seen a coordinated attack on white people in this country. That doesn't mean that there isn't racism against so-called black and brown people, but because there is this rhetoric, as you mentioned, to almost overcorrect what happened in the past in terms of legal and social discrimination, there has been I'm I'm seeing an increase in anti-white racism, whether that's um these forced these push this push for forced representation and forced quotas where you have to guarantee that you have a certain amount um a certain percentage of of black people or brown people, you know, in your in your organization. Um so I and of course what that does is that if you have a black and a white person or a brown person and a white person who are up for the same role for the purposes of positive discrimination, that white person may be at risk of not getting that position. And we've seen there's an influencer who is taking a charity to court who advertised internships um I think for a law charity. I'm not too sure. And she didn't get it because that internship was only advertised for black people. That is wrong and that is technically illegal. So um yeah, that's why I I mentioned that this is you know you would never catch them saying all lives matter or think in those terms. Um, I forgot the rest of your question. What I >> Yeah, I went on a bit. Yeah. But I think that I mean all lives matter for me. I think that's a very that's actually the least racist thing you can say when you think about it because that means we treat everyone equally and we acknowledge that every single racial group historically and even at present has had injustices done on them. It's not negating genuine injustices faced by black people or um you know people of color in general. That's Yeah, >> exactly. And yeah, I remembered the point I wanted to make. Yes, definitely white liberals are for me, I'll talk about myself, hundred times worse for me than white conservatives or even your most extreme right. Because the problem is with a true white supremacist and white racist. You know where you stand.

[00:17:02]They don't like you >> because of you. And there's nothing you can do to change that. But the liberal elite, as you mentioned, Malcolm X said, they pretend that they are fighting for you until you disagree. Then you become the wrong kind of minority. You become the problem. And for me personally, someone that engages with ideas, with thought, with argument and debate. I would rather someone hate me, I know it sounds odd, or maybe it doesn't, for my skin color, which I have no control over, than for the way I think, which is something that I I I try my best to nurture and develop. So the the white liberal elite, they hate someone like me. They hate the wrong minorities because we refuse to toll the line, to toll the ideological line. And that's why you get things like people being called coconuts. I saw an ex spat I I saw a spat on on X just yesterday where >> Trevor Phillips was called a coconut because of his views. How disrespectful how how racist is that? So you be you know you're removing that intellectual agency and how are you different to the you know 18th century scientists and and eugenicists and philosophers that you so condemn that used to remove that moral and intellectual agency from black people. So they are 10 times worse um for me I think.

[00:18:33]>> Yeah. No, honestly, I mean, I was called black on the outside, white on the inside as a teenager by other black people. I have faced much more, you know, I say much more, it's not a huge problem, but I face more kind of um covert hostility from people of color in general or people who are like these woke white people. So, yeah, I have very much similar experiences. So, what do you think is the biggest problem facing black or ethnic minorities in the UK right now?

[00:19:03]Big question.

[00:19:08]I will answer it in two ways. The biggest thing facing ethnic minorities is probably the biggest thing facing everyone else which is the cost of living crisis right which is you know your basic basic cost of having a normal basic life. So, and it's it's such a good question and and such an important answer because these other ideological cultural war battles and you know this pitting us against each other you know constantly asking for reparations and all these frivolous things in my opinion is distracting from the core issues that face all of us right that live among each other in these communities. So I would say is that in London and and in our major cities, I would say that probably there are probably more specific issues such as um knife crime particularly. Yeah. Right. That is still going on. That is still quite high and it's quite saddening to see how many children, >> you know, 12, 13, 14 year olds are involved in it in in this lifestyle as well. So I would say definitely knife crime is is an issue that has to be solved. more psychologically, I would say there is still this gatekeeping um feeling in our society when it comes to what black people, black and brown people are allowed to say, what they're allowed to think in public, right? And I think that's probably a bigger issue because if that's solved and we can have more open conversations, then we can have more open conversations about knife crime, about our family structures and why single mo motherhood is in the 60% now if I'm not mistaken or at least 50% among black people among black African and Caribbean people. I think African people slightly lower. So there are a lot of conversations that we need to actually have that will actually make things better for our communities. But because people are afraid to be the wrong kind of black person, people are be are afraid to be labeled as far right. We saw the another we saw another viral video of Kimmy Badenok being told that she was just pandering for the right. So the heckler, >> she didn't engage with the argument that Kevin Badon was making. She didn't engage or try and refute any of the information, the data of the stats. No, it just you just went to oh, you're just pandering for the final rise. So, can you see it's very difficult to say what you really think and feel as a black and brown person in this country before?

[00:21:43]>> Absolutely. I mean, I totally understand. Yeah. And I feel like people of color in general are expected to, you know, adear to certain views. Like there's people in the chat here saying, you know, the left is more bigoted than the right or the lower educated people are hated by the elites or the white liberal elites or white supremacists.

[00:22:02]You know, like I think a lot of people are really feeling this and I really I really really understand. Like it's terrible because I feel like you know if I say something people say, "Oh, well you're not white why are you talking like a white person?" That's not the point. I'm a human being. I'm very very aware of racism. I haven't really experienced much racism myself in in my life. I've had other issues, but I understand, you know, historically racism has been awful. The problem, I think, is that because of, you know, critical race theory and all this other nonsense. It's framed as white people are responsible for all the world's evils and brown and black people are just victims. We know this isn't true.

[00:22:39]For example, the Ottoman Empire, the Arab, you know, they enslaved up to a millions, you know, so many people, up to a million people. So, it's really stupid. And I think it's a lot of people have a very narrow-minded view of history because of this indoctrination with things like critical race theory.

[00:22:56]You mentioned DEI. It is ridiculous.

[00:22:59]Yeah, >> exactly.

[00:23:01]Sorry. A key point that you mentioned um you didn't face a lot of racism, but you faced other issues in your life.

[00:23:09]>> Yeah.

[00:23:10]>> Something I always say. Sorry, what was that? No, I just I was making it off because I was saying people like people expect me to say the worst thing for me is racism and it's like I've had I could tell you like all the things I've gone through and you'd be shocked. Racism is not really common to us.

[00:23:26]>> And and look, let me tell you this, that is the same for the majority of a lot of minorities in this country. those who buy into or try to deceive themselves that some institutional systemic racism really they put a knife in your friend's hand. You know, they're the ones that manipulated, you know, your your family member to abuse you.

[00:23:52]I'm sorry to speak so you know straight like this but I know a lot of people who have faced disgusting situations in their life that has attributed to them or has sorry contributed to them having the negative outcomes they have today mentally speaking right psychologically even that has that has affected maybe how they move in the world maybe how they see opportunities that's what they need to deal with rather then outsourcing the blame and responsibility to something abstract like systemic racism and I say that as outsourcing responsibility because even if there's something structurally against your group of people unless you take your own life into your own hands right re retweak your mindset there's nothing that can happen externally that will be beneficial for you and that is just the fact of it and people like myself. I'm I think you were born here.

[00:24:53]Correct me if I'm wrong.

[00:24:54]>> Yeah. Okay. I wasn't. So people like myself as well. It's very disheartening that we come to this country and we've come for places. Like I said, it's do or die. Whether >> Yeah, I know.

[00:25:07]>> Whether there's something institutionally against your group, it don't matter. If you don't take your life into your own hands, fight for yourself for your family, you are you're not going to do it. You're not going to go anywhere in life. So it's so interesting that we come to the west and the west or many parts of the west coddles us right uses our our identity as as a as a we almost a weakness as almost as an excuse of why we have to now ask for handouts or now why we have to you know wait for so-called white society to accept us or put us on the same level. It's very very interesting to me we weren't doing that.

[00:25:46]It's kind of condescending, isn't it?

[00:25:47]Because other countries don't operate like this. It just seems to be a western thing. I think the West as well, people need to understand like people are coming here because there are more opportunities here because it's a better, as you said, a better quality of life. Like I think we're damn lucky to have a lot of the social social support that we have in the UK. I'm personally I'm a bit more progressiveleaning economically. So I'm not against like NHS and stuff. I think it's got a lot of problems, but I wouldn't want to get rid of it. But I would like to say then something. So do you think that the UK in general, this is obviously very controversial, should prioritize the white English people or do you think that it should care about everyone equally? What is your general view on that >> in terms of citizens and none or in terms of anything specific or >> Yeah. So in terms of like overall citizenship and I'm I'm saying because the problem is that um as we you know you touched on earlier there are actual like far-right you know real serious racists who just want to live in an ethno state right so do you think so the problem is that if we say as you know people like ourselves who are you know nonwork nonwoke black people if we talk about how there's problems of like mass migration or problems with you know Islamic extremism um or whatever. We're kind of pigeonholed as you mentioned Kimmy Baden as like you know siding with the the far right. But do you think the UK should prioritize the English people or should it care about people like us who are also minorities but who are not necessarily anti-English if that makes sense.

[00:27:22]>> Okay. Sorry. I will ask I'll ask another question. Prioritize in terms of what?

[00:27:28]Well, in terms of like the well-being of the citizens of the country because countries are supposed to prioritize their people, right?

[00:27:35]>> Yes. Well, the short answer is no because that would be racist, right?

[00:27:41]Because citizenship is especially No, not even especially shouldn't be based on your skin color. So, I can't say that white English and I'm sure most reasonable people won't be able to say that. And this is not me trying to attack anyone. It's just moral common sense. And I guess we we can't get into the nitty-gritty of what we mean by prioritize. But let's just say um for support for job opportunities. No, I don't think anyone should be prioritized based on their skin color. However, on on a um slightly related but tangent note when it comes to this topic of mass migration, there's a narrative from the left, particularly now from the Green Party where there's this kind of endless obligation to just allow anyone and everyone in because it's some kind of a duty and obligation to help people from across the world.

[00:28:41]Well, then that's a no. If your country is is struggling economically, they're already tensions socially, your culture is fragmented because you have parallel societies, you need to put a full stop to asylum seekers and potentially migration, I would say, or a big break or halt or whatever. There needs to be a let's take a timeout because we you have to understand that if the country isn't doing well then it's not doing well for the minorities that are already here as well. So there has to be a big pause. So in that sense, yes, you have to prioritize the needs and the welfare of the citizenship, the citizenry already here before you're bringing on people to then add to the housing pressures and the job market pressures, even though apparently they're here to save the job market, you know, shortfalls, which I'm not sure it's happening. So you have to prioritize those who are here already, I would say.

[00:29:45]>> Yeah. No, I have a similar view in the sense that absolutely, you know, I'm very I would say I would say I'm an actual anti-racist in the sense I'm against racism against everybody. So, I think that yes, we should have equality of opportunity and we shouldn't discriminate against people based on their their skin color. But yes, I agree that you know it's terrible like we have this I mean my personal um biggest concern which we can touch on a little bit is the uh Islam issue and people from Islamic countries coming into the UK and how a lot of them have views and values that are directly contradictory with Western secular democratic liberal culture. You know like I don't see why I mean I'm not even sure why someone who's from an Islamic theocracy wants to come and live in the UK anyway. I don't understand that. Um, a lot of people and this is a big gripe I have personally with the left and you know I am obviously slightly nervous of talking about this but whatever. So I think that a lot of people don't understand Islam like they may they haven't read the Quran. I actually have read the Quran and I've been around you know Muslims. I understand the whole thing and I think that it's a it's a very serious problem.

[00:30:54]So I'm not against immigration in the sense of assimilation like say your perspective for example a person coming into the country and actually you know making a life for himself and also integrating into the culture. I'm against people of very different cultures that incompatible with the way the west is coming in and just wanting to kind of take advantage of the system or not actually respecting the UK or having very different values and wanting the whole society to change for them like you know Sharia is a very good example right >> yeah exactly and I don't think a lot of people would even have minded people from vastly different cultures coming here I The problem was and I okay let me finish what I'm saying first. The problem was is that they weren't just coming they were doing what you mentioned which is imposing or trying to impose or making very visible the cultural norms from their own native lands. And instead of our political class and politicians and leaders nipping that in the bud, they pandered to it. And that's why you had um um like for example the Green Party.

[00:32:10]Hopefully they won't be in control of government anytime ever, but that's why you had people like them um um recording campaign videos in foreign languages. That's why you have independents and even people from major parties, you know, trying to appeal to voters based on foreign issues, right?

[00:32:33]such as the Gaza issue. So it's not just that people are coming here with vastly different cultures going in a corner and minding their business and putting their head down and being a net positive to this country is that they are actually coming and slowly and slowly disrupting the very fabric of this nation. That isn't just a threat to the so-called white British majority, but it's probably a threat, especially when we're talking about Islam, to people like yourself and myself who may not subscribe to that ideology and belief, who that ideology and belief may see as lesser than, right? Because we are caffein a huge issue with fragmentation and ghettoization and parallel societies in this country.

[00:33:19]many nations within a whole nation and I just don't know how it's it's going to work. I don't know how it's going to look like in 10 years. Well, I have an idea and it doesn't look very good at all.

[00:33:31]>> Yeah. So, you've mentioned the Green Party a few times. So, it's funny and I think I said this I can't remember when I said this, but when people mention Palansky for a long time I was getting him mixed up with Roman Palansky, the um the film director because I'm really into movies. So, I got very confused.

[00:33:47]But yeah um you know as we know the Green Party are nuts but you know tell us why are the Green Party nuts? What's wrong with their policies? What is it about the Green Party that is so terrible?

[00:33:58]>> So people always laugh about Kama um that he has no personality or no defined sort of vision and character kind of you know goes wherever the wind goes. And for me the Green Party is almost the opposite. I'm really confused what they fully stand for or how they're going to marry up. So very separate um ideologies they have. So you have on the one hand them trying to appeal to the Muslim vote, right? Campaigning in foreign languages, showing pictures of David Lami and Karma, shaking hands with Netanyahu and Modi and say look this is why you should vote for us. And then on the other hand, they champion things like legalizing prostitution or all drugs or you know there's another v video that's doing the rounds on X of of a debate of independence basically unhappy with Zapans dancing with strippers you know in an event. So how they're going to marry this two conflicting by the way they do have other um policies and ideas as well. Um like I read somewhere they want to I think abolish school uniforms and and stuff. So it's not just the Yeah. They they want to kind of not make it an issue if people want to wear tracksuits in school for example, right? As part of this. Yeah. So they is people get mixed up that they're just doing the Muslim thing and the gay thing, gay and drugs thing and they're not. So they do have a wide range of policies but yeah. So the Green Party including its leader um I think it's a little bit of a joke and it will a lot of their counselors if you look at them as well they look very unserious and honestly I don't mean this as an offense but you know sometimes how you present yourself shows you know how you going how how shows whether you are able to actually handle a lot of the serious issues of our that's happening in our country and even internationally.

[00:36:01]as well. Can you imagine Zach Palansky on the world stage fighting and advocating for Britain? He doesn't even fully fight and advocate for Britain here. So, you know, it's almost a national security thing actually. Let's talk seriously, right? These are the people who are siding more for, as I mentioned, foreign lands. How is that conducive to our our national security?

[00:36:25]What if we have to, god forbid, go to war, you know, with someone they don't agree with and they are so married to what they believe that they will sell the UK over the under the bus. Now, that is >> it's very dangerous. Yeah. Because you want a leader like, okay, I'm not saying I'm a fan of this person, but Churchill or, you know, even Trump, like I'm not saying I'm particularly a fan of them.

[00:36:48]they have their absolute bad qualities, but you need a leader who's a patriot of their country and who cares about the people. That's why I really like the um the STP, the Social Democratic Party. I talked to Nick Buckley. I had him on my channel a while back. Um we were talking about um them because they're very like I I'm more aligned with them and they actually still, you know, they're patriotic. They care about the country and the well-being of the people, which you need because I mean why is it that other people are allowed to be patriotic about their countries but if people in the UK are patriotic then that's considered racist. So you know I mean yeah I agree with this comment that I've just shown on screen. So yeah know the Green Party. So do you think then as we know yes there were elections yesterday and in my area the results haven't been um cleared but what do you think then is the best kind of overall party at the moment for the future of this country? A lot of people are leaning towards reform but a lot of people also don't like reform and prefer restore and a lot of people are saying it's going to be between reform/restore and the greens.

[00:37:57]So, what party do you think is the best party for the future of the UK >> currently? I don't know. I don't know.

[00:38:06]But I do agree that it it will look I think Labor and the Conservatives sadly are done. Um those traditional parties, they're just out of the picture at the moment. So, it will be a fight between mainly res reform and green and then it's just a question of how restore will do um as time goes on. The issue with restore is that they probably being seen as too fringe and the Robert Low is not being seen to distance himself enough from the ethnationalist sort of racialist kind of thinking and that's just not where a lot of people are in this country. people on X people on X can think so but I'm telling you even your most sort of ardent critics of immigration I'm talking in real life because it's different will not subscribe to those that view of 99.98 of people in this country need to be visibly or genetically or I don't know what they've decided right that that's just not going to happen so it will be a fight between reform and greens I think reform have stolen a lot of seats from Labor, but I think there's still a lot of work for them to do from the Conservative side as well. They still need a lot of um um support from the South Heartlands, for example, nationally speaking as well. I'm not sure Scotland has take taken fully to them as well. So there it's not a clearcut and dry case. There is still a lot of work for them to do as well. Um yeah, the ideal party I don't know as well. I I don't know.

[00:39:51]>> Yeah, I agree. It's very hard to tell. I mean, yeah, for me, as I said, it would be the SDP. I really like them. In terms of the big parties, I have no idea, but I have been thinking about this very seriously. I think I would personally prefer reform to the Greens and power for various reasons. I'm not. And it's a shame because economically I probably side more with the Greens, but culturally I probably would side more with reforms. So yeah, for me I'd be very I'd be very concerned. My biggest concern if the Green if the Greens got into power would be what are they going to do about Islam and how you know they're so obsessed with Palestine now?

[00:40:28]This isn't saying that anyone deserves genocide. And this actually ties in with my next question because um you know anti-semitism I mean you did a very good video talking about the recent attack in gold is green and this rise of anti-semitism. People are talking about it very seriously.

[00:40:43]So I want to ask something uh very controversial. This is me devils advocating a bit. So there seems to be a lot of protection in the UK for Jewish people as a protected class one might say. And if you look at the religions, Judaism and Islam are actually quite similar because they're both Abrahamic religions, right? So why are Jews given so much protection in the UK while Muslims are treated as terrorists? This is a very long question. So >> when October 7th happened, I was at the time I was working in North London. I was working in for Orthodox Jews in North London, right? And when October 7th on the same day, so I was it was a factory, a manufacturing factory of food items and I was the senior administrator. So I worked very closely with the directors and they were um Orthodox Jews >> and one of them was in Israel at the time and bearing in mind I'm not I wasn't following nothing to do with Israel and Palestine. I just saw on Twitter, Jews are being massacred in Israel.

[00:41:53]>> Okay.

[00:41:53]>> So when I was panicking because I had an emotional attachment to it because these are now my friends and close colleagues.

[00:42:00]I didn't have an ideological um or political mind at that time for this issue. And one of the workers when he was around, I was frantic and I said, "Have you seen this? So and so is in Israel right now. Goodness me. can we get in contact with someone? And he looked at me in the eye and he said and he was Muslim and he said because he didn't really know my view. So he said, "Well, at least if anything happens, it's one less Jew." That that was my Yeah, that was my wakeup call. I looked at him in the eye and I was staring at him and I was thinking, I'm waiting for the I'm only joking. I'm waiting for the >> Yeah. Wow. That's >> That didn't come. This person is very serious.

[00:42:47]>> Now, that is not my first experience when it comes to this Islamist tribalism. When can I swear? I don't know. When >> I'd rather not.

[00:42:57]>> Okay. When >> not because of the algorithm. Yeah. I don't care. It's the algorithm.

[00:43:00]>> Yeah. When [ __ ] hits the fan, when things when things like this happen, this is not the first time that you see the Muslim come out. And I don't mean to sound crass, but that is just the reality. So to answer your question, a lot of people feel that Islam, not even feel, not even feel, there's been too many incidents when Islam has shown itself to want to dominate, to want to take over.

[00:43:29]>> It's a conquering religion. It's all over the >> Quran. It's all over the Quran. You do not see hundreds of Jewish men, right, praying praying on the streets, for example.

[00:43:42]>> Yes.

[00:43:43]>> To break their fast. You're talking about similarities.

[00:43:46]There's nothing really similar apart from maybe the theological side in >> I was talking about the theology.

[00:43:52]>> I know. I know you are. I'm trying to make the point that a lot of people don't see it as similar because a lot of people probably don't see the Jewish part at all. They know about it. It's distant. Like I said, I worked for these two people for two years. I knew nothing about it. Whereas I go to the car wash around the corner and you have my man praying and then I ask questions. Well, why is he praying when I'm trying to wash my car? I go to the Nigerian embassy a few years ago to try and renew their my passport. Um, sorry, my friend's passport and they closed the whole center because it's Muslims have to pray. Now, these things are real things that are happening in people's lives. And forget the personal, you watch the news. How many attacks have been Islamist related already? We're only on the 8th of May. How many? Not even.

[00:44:40]>> I mean, there's this fantastic website I want to mention. Everyone needs to look at called the religionof peace.com.

[00:44:46]You've probably heard of it. It's a great website. They literally list like the weekly Islamist attacks. I submitted an article to them years ago because um I did it under a anonymously. But yeah, I think the people who run it are ex-Muslims. The funny thing is if you talk to ex-Muslims, a lot of them will say exactly what you say. Like if you read what ex-Muslims are talking about or people who grew up in Muslim families or communities or if you've actually engaged with or been around like again I want to be careful like of course there are plenty of decent Muslims out there.

[00:45:17]Nobody is saying that. The problem is why do we have to keep on saying that?

[00:45:21]When do we like nobody is saying at le you know like what you said is very correct. You know when we think of Jewish people the Orthodox Jews for example in the UK they're not really causing any massive trouble are they?

[00:45:32]They're not they're not going around you know stabbing people. So yeah it's just a big I mean >> the food in my primary school is now halal. Where's the calls for kosher in Subway in in Five Guys the And I'm talking about these benign things seemingly benign things. I'm not even talking about the terrorism stuff. I'm talking about this creep of culture. I'm talking about this creep in our institutions where how many how many um campaigns have been done in um Yiddish, you know, now we have ballot ballot poll posts being sent in Erdo, in Bangla, in Punjab. Come on. You know, the thing with a lot of these debates um is that people try to make it seem like we're imagining stuff. Well, why are you just disgusting?

[00:46:23]>> Why are you just targeting them? A lot of them are targeting us. You know what I mean? We're just trying to live our lives in beautiful Great Britain and they want us to, you know, we're not sure about the intention. They make it very clear that they're proil procilitizing religion. If you if you do anything against the Quran, you will be attacked as we saw with Hamik Hoskin. If you if you show a picture of Muhammad or if you just talk about him with a green teacher, right? So they won't leave us alone.

[00:46:56]>> No, this is very sick. It's gaslighting.

[00:46:58]We just get gas lit and they call us Islamophobe. It's really bad. I think this is why I'm also scared. I try not to talk about this too much on my channel anyway because I'm so scared, you know, because people are really crazy. No, I don't. I've done like one video about it, but it's something I feel like seriously seriously strongly about and have done for years. So, I want to ask then, so what do you think in general of Tommy Robinson? That should be an interesting food for thought.

[00:47:25]>> I think he's someone that people need to pay attention to. Yeah, >> Tommy Robinson was one of the first people to give the to shed light on what was happening on the cultural aspect of the grooming gang scandal. People need to pay attention to him. You can you can try to do this whole smearing thing and look, he he cares about what I care about and which is the increasing Islamification of this country. This um this um idea that he's a racist. I I actually attended the United Kingdom rally, the last one. Hopefully I can attend this one. I'm not too sure yet.

[00:48:01]>> Do you think he actually is a racist?

[00:48:04]>> Pardon?

[00:48:06]>> No, I I know people who work with him who are like >> I I follow me and he I think he follows me now. Like I mean that's not an indication that you're not a racist, but I I'm trying to say that he's not a racist. There no people who work within I I've heard what he thinks. I watched his one of the first things that made me think, wow, he actually has a point was the address he gave at the Oxford Union.

[00:48:30]This is a guy that like myself watched and watches what happened to their communities, right? And he spoke about it end of if you want to add a moral aspect to that and smear him, literally that is your problem. that does not take away the things that he's talking about and the changes that he's talking about and the warnings he has given about this country. End of conversation.

[00:48:55]>> Yeah. No, I agree. Again, I don't know too much about him. I definitely agree with his views on Islam. I think he's very brave to go up against it. I think most people don't like Tommy Robinson.

[00:49:06]They just think he's a racist or a fascist. I mean, there's literally a guy I know who's a black man who literally works with him. Actually, a couple. So yeah, it's very it's quite bizarre.

[00:49:16]Yeah, anyone who doesn't agree with anything I think is a racist. So yeah, we've covered a lot of really interesting ground today. So in the last like 10 minutes or so, I'm just thinking so um what do you think then is so you mentioned earlier the cost of living crisis, right? So what do you think is the biggest problem right now in this country overall in terms of people's well-being in terms of people's day-to-day lives? Like what is the biggest social issue I would say facing modern Britain's today?

[00:49:52]>> I think it's a lot of what we've already touched on. So our community is changing rapidly and a lot of communities in this country just completely unrecognizable and they look like completely different countries. That's very unmoving. That's very unsettling. It's very uncomfortable.

[00:50:11]>> Um if you walk through a lot of these areas you just feel like a foreigner yourself. You don't feel free. You know you >> quite shuffle. Yeah.

[00:50:20]>> Exactly. Some parts of Midlands as well.

[00:50:22]So, as we alluded to earlier, the problem isn't different cultures. For me anyway, different cultures is okay, but they just can't be whole enclaves of people from foreign cultures. It has to be. If diversity is truly the the the holy grail, then it doesn't make sense that you go to very undiverse areas in this country and they're not white just full of white people. It's very odd.

[00:50:50]>> Yeah. Do you think that multicult Okay.

[00:50:52]So would you say you're against multiculturalism in the sense of different cultures living together or do you think that like it's okay to have some people of some cultures again like say you or me coming into a culture living like what is your overall view on multiculturalism?

[00:51:08]>> I wouldn't personally say I I I practice a different culture. I think when I came here I made a conscious well it wasn't a conscious decision but over time I did make a conscious decision to actually align very closely to British culture.

[00:51:24]So I wouldn't even say that I'm part of a multicultural cultural project apart from the fact that my skin is visibly different but I am as British as it comes. So in terms of a multi-racial society, that's a given in a place like the UK, especially given its past. But multiculturalism as this kind of virtue in itself, right? It's not even something that has to happen naturally according to the left. That is the aim.

[00:51:55]That is the goal, right? That is the highest good to have a multicultural, visibly diverse state. I think that's what I have a problem with because then what happens especially when that's a top down thing as we've seen in recent years is that then you feel this need to really they call it celebrate difference but it's not celebration it's really overemphasizing the difference because you want to make a point that you have a multicultural state. So if that means something as simple as oh you have to give the same um visibility to every single religious practice and I I don't want to see it right this is a Christian nation I don't even want to see Christian stuff visibly so why want to see things from cultures I don't understand >> I think I should be secular personally yeah I mean somebody just says something very good I'm more of a pro monoculture so I'm anti multiculturalism and in Belgium they call inclusive nationalism.

[00:52:55]I was just thinking that actually sounds like a very interesting term. So nationalism that is not just like not the opposite of ethnationalism. So inclusive nationalism in the sense of like you, me, because I would say the same. I consider myself British culturally. So we're all part of the UK.

[00:53:12]We have different cult different colors if you will, but we're all part of British one culture because, you know, countries do need cultural cohesion. I guess the warriors as we've talked about here today is when you have the actual, you know, the actual ethnationalists.

[00:53:27]Like there's a guy, I don't know if you watch, his name is Simon Webb. He has a channel called History Debunked. I actually don't like him anymore because he says some things that made me very annoyed. I would say he leans towards being a bit of a racist in my view anyway. That's just my perception. I don't like some of what he says. I very fully agree with his views on Islam. I agree with his views on feminism and a lot of other things. But for me, he comes from a bit more of a I would say he sounds to me more like an ethnationalist. But maybe you have a different perspective. I don't know.

[00:53:57]>> I don't really watch that channel. I think I watch is he the old old >> old English man.

[00:54:03]>> I think I watch things about Yeah.

[00:54:05]diversity and stuff, but I don't watch his channel to be honest.

[00:54:10]>> But look, a lot of the the thing is as well, we have to come to this understanding that the word racist two things. It's probably lost a lot of meaning or all meaning now.

[00:54:22]>> But the word the word racist is only applied to white people and you have to understand that especially as someone born in another country. A lot of things that we call racist is just very human.

[00:54:36]You know this inroup outroup >> tribal it's it's it's our human nature. And of course we have tried to civilize and socialize ourselves and that's why we come up with these words like morally wrong and racist. But >> everyone wants to be with their own kind. Um >> well Muhammad Ali said the same thing, didn't he? Everyone wants to be of their own. I mean I do obviously I would say I disagree with that because I am like I'm a product of interracial marriage and I come from a very diverse family. So I do kind of disagree with that but I understand what you mean behind it.

[00:55:09]>> I think that's my point. I think that's with everything I do, especially on my channel, I try to make demoralize things in terms of not make everything a moral thing and just try to let people understand that this is a very human thing. Whatever you ascribe to it, morally good or bad, that's an extra thing. But let's start from the basics because if we can't even start from the basics of, okay, why are a lot of white people feeling um unsettled? why are they feeling, you know, angry, shall we say, and then you just say, "Oh, it's because they're racist." Well, you're not doing this debate any favor. You're not doing any favor for social cohesion going forward if you don't recognize that this is a very normal, natural human thing to want to res preserve your culture because your culture is familiarity, right? It's an inheritance and you don't want that to be squandered by people who come here and want to either replace it or just you know dismantle it and and and all these kind of things. So I just want >> human history is built on people fighting for the preservation of their culture. Yes.

[00:56:17]>> So no you're absolutely I completely agree. Um so I actually had one final thing I'd like to ask you before we close up. This is a kind of funny question. So why is Kia Sama so hated?

[00:56:30]I don't know much about him. The only thing I really know about him is what I mentioned earlier, digital ID and anti-misogyny laws. But everyone, including left-wing people I've talked to, like actual leftists, they all seem to hate Kala. He's like the he's the most hated politician, as somebody just mentioned, um, Kier Stalin. So, why do you think Kala is such a hated man?

[00:56:51]>> Well, for a lot of reasons, but I think, you know, like someone called him the other day, wet wife. I think people just think he's just a terrible leader. And you I hear so many different things about him. You know, some people say that they might believe his intentions, but he is just not a good leader. You know, the videos that go viral of him being, you know, disrespected, put to the side or, you know, shut down, like for example, Trump, they just don't see him as a fitter leader of the UK. and a lot of bad decisions that he's made from the start. You know, the the first scandal of these um gifts that he was getting for his wife or himself, I think. So, he just started off wrong. A lot of people are just disillusioned with politicians and and politics. Um also this recent scandal with Mandolin, he has bad judgment, but he's always outsourcing that responsibility someone else. Oh, I didn't know but I'll learn lessons. This kind of thing. and we're just in a polarized world. So if he's not on your team, you know, then you it doesn't matter how he does, you're going to hate him. So that's just >> Yeah. I think I've met one person who likes Kissa. Everybody else he seems cuz it's interesting you mentioned that like Trump when you think of a leader, he is, you know, brash, assertive, domin's man, right? And a lot of people hate him for that, but a lot of people like him for that. So Kiss Summer doesn't seem to be coming across that way at all. seems very much like a you know a kind of soft man not like a very confident and maybe that's a problem as well of you know a leader >> sorry it's a worse problem he has no real personality >> like I mentioned at the start Labour basically hemorrhage seats um across this country and his response was well you know it's kind of okay that's it you know I won't walk away just kind of that bureaucratic diplomatic lifeless response and people just will not take to that. You know, politics has to be a bit have a bit more animation and he's just not not giving any of that. That's why people like your Nigs, even your Zach Palanskis, you know, love him or hate him, but you know, he's he's actually, you know, actually in the spotlight, visible, animated, your Borises, you know, these kinds of people are what people take to. Again, whether you like or hate him, that's another thing. But Kia Farmer is just a wet wipe as they said.

[00:59:16]>> Yeah. Well, somebody in the chat just said, "I like Kia." I thought that was kind of humorous. Okay, so we've come to the end of our stream now. I have very much enjoyed this. Thank you so much, Ara, for being on the channel. And yeah, it's been a fantastic um discussion.

[00:59:32]Please, everybody, you probably are already familiar with this lady, but do check her out and thank you as always for tuning in to my podcast. So yes, I'll be back live.

[00:59:42]>> Thank you. I'll be back live again on Tuesday the 12th. That will be quite fun um with some other guests. So until then, this is the rational female and thanks for watching and goodbye.