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>> A piece of the family. Uh, happy Friday to everybody. May n May 29th, 2026. And we made it uh we we we made it to this day. And uh wishing you the best for your uh uh friends and families uh as we continue this life journey and to deal with uh a lot of different things in our community. Um I going to bring on brother Harwin. I'm interested in brother Harwin. Um I've not found anything uh to disagree with brother Harwin on. And um seemingly people attack him because he's a Nwabian uh or uh that's the claim. And I I look at a person's information. And so um before I even begin with what I have to say, uh I'm giving um my brother Harwin a chance to uh talk and I'm hoping that he could um uh articulate some things about Oh, happy birthday.
It's your birthday. The muffin man. It's my uh former wife's uh birthday. And she has a son. She's Dr. Selma uh PC. Uh says Dr. Selma Mabri. And my son is a uh P uh is a PhD, but he does have to uh defend his doctorate. So without that said, brother Herwin Harwin, what is on your mind? Good brother. I see you pulled over. Normally you get >> Man, I'm pulling over, dog, >> man. This going to be the Brother Reggie and Harwin show till we get into this thing, man. Man, um >> Reggie, you taking my topic. I thought it was S that was running the show. It's you, though.
>> Uh yeah. Um I'm not going to let too many people on on right now, but I'll let uh Jose Francis on. Harwin, what is going on, man? I put you on Can I put you on the big screen?
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah. I think SET is going to interview you at some point as he does. Um, you have been um, how can I say you have not been pushing but you have been making some very interesting points and you said I took uh, I took a point uh, >> you took the debate topic. I read the thumbnail and I thought that you and Jabari was debating is that the Nets are literal or real?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Well, you noticed you're a smart brother. You you noticed like I noticed. So what is >> y >> what is you what is a general thought because uh I see you you uh you have a command of languages uh uh of not just not languages per per se but scripts that you can read and you have been um pushing that button man or comment button. So what's what's your uh take on everything? Go on and give it to us. My take is I respect Jabari as a historian.
Um I I don't think that can be deniable and he's clearly formidable. He's knowledgeable. No doubt about it. But when he makes the claim, and I've heard him say it multiple times, when he makes the claim that the Nets are being literal or actual is a European concept that we have developed over time, I'm going to be flat out and say, Reggie, that is a blatant lie >> because it's a lie. It's a lie. We can go through the Egyptian text. We can go through all the other tra cultures that gave birth to what we call Egyptian culture in Africa. And we see their stories and or traditions all over Africa talking about not just there are allegorical aspects. So he's not completely wrong but he's wrong because he speak of the allegory like it's absolute. Like for example he was talking yesterday to the Hebrew brothers and they didn't really know how to address them on it >> because they couldn't really they don't really have a command of the text. So you were talking about Ani and Unafur becoming an Assar and it's like that doesn't mean that their Kai and their B their personal personage is the exact same as the Assar that He is leading them to in the dua. That doesn't say that >> and that is misleading >> and you know it's misleading because it's not saying that just because you take on the attribute of I.e. God the father as we they would say in Christian concept which is good a good analogy for this because he claimed that we got it from Europeans but then he turned around and say the Europeans got it from us and he had a whole debate with a European Dr. Carrian or Keran or whatever his name is about this very topic of Christianity getting concepts from us.
So how is it possible? You can't have it both ways. you it's impossible in the in the text in the papers of ani and the the coming forth by day to put when they're speaking about either if it's unfur or ani or whichever one just because they're becoming an assar doesn't mean that they are becoming that specific assar that they claim that they are meeting in the afterlife this guy Assar who they call Osiris they clearly believed walked this earth before and that he became venerated in the afterlife he he he was so profound in his living life that he became a nectar as you they would say I would say nthur whatever that he became so profound that he had this position in the afterlife and to them the afterlife is actual and in the text things that actually happened in the afterlife al actually happened in this so-called living realm it's all in the text and for him to say that it's not there that is absolutely allegorical is disingenuous on someone of his level it doesn't make sense >> well I agree Um I think uh in our talk about this I think that people have to be accountable for exactly what they say or they should revise it.
>> So if there is a lack of clarity on and if the person wants to say more then brother Harwin then the person uh should say more. This is not a oneoff statement that he's been saying. This has been a statement he's been going on for uh at least three years on this channel and and and uh and then longer. But I noticed it and I let it go on for a while waiting for him to uh make some clarity. Uh but he doubles down on it.
He says the nets are real.
He says they are not literal. He says that they are not actual.
>> Yes, he does.
>> And then he says that uh we can understand them as kind of forces and energy. And >> that's what he said.
>> That's not what the Nile Valley African said. That's his interpretation. So I'm concerned. I am concerned.
>> I think interpretation, Dr. Reggie, I think you letting them out.
>> Brother Reggie, >> Brother Reggie, I think you letting him out. It's not an interpretation. It's a blatant mistransation.
>> Oh, it's a blatant uh it's ignorance.
Absolutely. It's it's it shows that he hasn't read the text that uh and and if he has, he's lying about the text. I'm just trying to couch it uh to be academic and professional. So, I'm going to say that uh he misinterpreted for my purposes. But my uh general belief and not trying to slander him is that uh um I know that he has a professorship position. I respect that.
Congratulations.
I know he has a degree in um black studies from Dr. James Turner. I respect that. I knew Dr. James Turner. I helped Dr. James Turner, right? uh where he tries to clown me on my AC uh on my computer science, but I helped train Dr. Turner and others on using the computer.
Uh the the PC had just came out and when Dr. James Turner came to the Shawn Center, I helped train Dr. James Turner on how to use uh uh uh Microsoft Word.
So, uh, and and that helped him, um, the rest of his, uh, his career, um, at the Shawn Brook Center for Research and Black Culture of the New York Public Library. So, I did train Dr. James Turner and I trained probably maybe about uh, 60 scholars and residents at the Shawn Brook Center on the usage of uh, computers. Uh, uh, yeah. So, uh, he's untruthful. So, the issue is, um, and I don't want I'm going to talk about him, but generally, um, what I'm trying to get from you is, uh, a little bit more so that people can understand who is brother Harwin, uh, and what are your what is your takes about things that's going on before Sanetta interviews you just in general, San is gonna do a better job.
>> You can ask me whatever like you want to know.
Okay. Um, people clown the Nwabians for Dr. York's actions, >> right?
>> But what did you learn about uh, Na Valley civilization from uh uh the that community? What did you What did you learn?
>> Um, well, I was already into history again.
I was already in college when I ran into a nap, right? I I was at Columbia College Chicago.
Uh it's right downtown. So when I was about to get married, I was getting into the Bible a lot, >> Reggie, >> because I wanted to do it the right way.
But when I got into the Bible, I got into the Hebrew and I was looking at the Hebrew from the standpoint of a Christian. And then I ran into a nwapian on Facebook >> and he's not one of those nwapians that be all in the videos, you know, all on the social media. He's to himself. But I ran across him and I gave an incorrect form breakdown of Elohim and certain Hebrew concepts that I was learning from Christian apologist. Right.
>> And when I did it, he he decimated me.
And I didn't take it as negative. I was intrigued.
>> So I jumped in his inbox >> and it don't matter if it was 12 in the afternoon, 12 at night, 3 in the morning, 3 in the afternoon. That brother would answer any question I had.
When I say any and I call him respectfully, I call him wise. He would answer any question that I ever had and he would just answer. He show me the evidence of it. So that's how I came into new from that paradigm from the point of history and language and having to prove what you're saying because that's how he was addressing me and he treated me like I was his little brother and I never met him in phys never met never met him in my life in physical person. So my experience with a new wapian is from this brother and then I met another brother when he he instructed me that it was a bookstore in Chicago right on right off 79th Street.
And it's crazy cuz my grandmother house right off 79th Street in Engleside her her former house. And I never heard of this story until he said it. So it's a little east of Stony Island. If anybody ever went to Chicago, it's not there no more. They closed down within the last year or so. But I went to this bookstore and I met another nwapian by the name of Amun and he took me under his wing.
>> So I came into Nwapu with guys that were very proficient in languages and history. So that's why when you see how I come at this, it's because of them. So if you ask me what new has done for me, I never met Dr. York in person. I never knew Dr. York existed until 2013.
>> Never knew who he was. So my perspective of it has come from former students of these two people that were former students of his that knew him directly.
They knew him personally. They were in class with him before and they've told me certain experiences I'm not going to share.
>> Yep. But from my paradigm, that's how I was introduced to new.
>> Well, it um the um there's a thing called uh brotherhip and mentorship.
And a lot of people confuse what happens at the top with actually what's going on um as far as the education is concerned.
Um and uh the negative part of Dr. York um is negative and and there's no way that I'm going to clean it up. But the community that he built of young women and young men is probably unlike what we have ever seen uh in Islam and in um largely in Islam and dealing with the uh Abrahamic faiths and um they have questions, they have answers, their questions and answers are are are very precise and I don't think that you can get by them and so I see that you have some training So about this now, you know, they overdo this comedic stuff. I think it's marketing.
>> They just they brush their teeth with comedic this comedic diet. And and we know that the uh King uh uh Ketty, he was the first person to uh kind of claim that for a land. Not saying that the the the term was not used prior because it may it seem to have in my research. It seemed to have been used for uh land um prior out of uh the relationship to their cattle culture that and uh black.
>> You talk about the morphine kimmit >> uh uh I'm talking Yeah. If you say the morphine Kimmit, I'm saying the Kimmit with the newit glyph. Um, I've seen Kimit with the new glyph prior to uh Ketty. I uh it's uh it's actually uh from uh Sfaru's time and um and so I know it seemed to be an estate uh until it became a city till it became a name for the land. And these uh uh people in this uh uh spirituality as they call it, but I call it closed a closed culture.
um they use it uh to draw people in and then um if academically they will their adherence will be murdered uh by bringing that into uh dealing with what we are preparing ourselves to do is to have more conversations with the uh Egyptologists the urine uh the Europeans. So if they bring that into that conversation they're going to be murdered because they're not going to be precise. They don't know uh the first instance uh they don't know the difference between the uh when people were called uh um and they were never called comedic. So they don't if you ask them what they were called they would say oh the comedic people they start speaking in English the comedic people the the commians uh um they'll be murdered in academic and so what we're trying to do is save our community by being more specialized.
So what are some of your other thoughts I mean uh uh generally because you >> I think that what you just said is fair.
In fact, a lot of the I've been watching side not TV probably since around 2013.
>> Uhhuh.
>> And I want to tell you something like I I've gained a great respect for you, Reggie, for how you deal with me because you only deal with information.
>> And >> I deal with is too.
>> I I deal with the ish.
>> Yeah.
>> Uhhuh.
>> That that's not how that's not my experience with you. Mhm.
>> So when when I watched you roll up on the Wian, I don't know where y'all was at in New York.
>> Wian, >> they rolled up.
>> Okay.
>> They rolled up. Okay.
>> Yeah. They rolled up.
>> So when they rolled up on you, you asked a very fair question.
Very fair question that that and you not the only one that was asking these similar questions. I think you asked it in a more of a academic uh respectful way. It was aggressive but still it was academic. You asked very fair question.
Where can we find this at?
>> Where's the text? Where's the st?
Where's something in Africa? That's a fair question to me.
>> A good young man. He was a good young man who was had learned a lot of stuff.
Huie Ka and Louis Huie Ka is not he's an ancestor now a young ancestor and he he uh he was aggressive and uh he he came up and um uh fine so you know respect is respect and he tried to push what he learned and I was like fine where did you who taught you this where did you get it from what's the source Right. And ultimately the source was teachings of Dr. York. And I was like that's great.
Um that's great. Um I have a problem with that. But um do you have any other uh sources? He he did. Um and me and Huie Ka became uh you know we became great friends. Uh um and I'm so sorry that he's not here. And then what happened was um I guess the new wapians did not like that conversation how it unfolded. So then Prince um young Prince York came and young Prince York is a respectable good dude. Um but he chose to have a conversation with Jabari rather than me because he just did not want to talk to me. Um he just didn't want to talk. he just didn't want to um talk to me. So, he chose to uh which was smart um to talk to Jabari. Now, um by that time, I think Shabari's presence had risen. Um I'mma tell you flatly because I just don't respect the things that he say. On Kim on trial, uh Shaka asked if we could use him and I flatly said no. And then Shaka said, "Why?" I said because he's a believer in say uh and that will be a problem with us because what he's believing is doesn't actually align directly with what I've studied in Tawi civilization. it it it it it didn't academically align and I didn't want the Hebrews to seize on that and make the debate about what who Jabari is and attack um a belief. I wanted to deal with defending Kimmit. Um and we can only do that with text and um history. And I'm not saying that he could not do it with history, but the problem was is that um look, we didn't show up in um costumes and things like that and anks on our hand and none of that. We showed up as just black men in America uh with no superpowers. Like the ank on your hand don't give you no superpowers.
You are going to die. You're going to go to the toilet. You're going to do all that. you just have a belief uh that something is going to happen in the afterlife. And um I I that's their belief and I'm I'm I'm not going to go back and forth right now with their belief, but their particular belief is seemingly uh they take the aspects of Christianity that we know and fuse it with what they do like the perimeru the the weighing of the heart, right? Um the uh coming through Osiris or Seir uh to I mean uh Horus meeting coming through Horus to the father I mean the son to the father ah that's not necessary there's much more in the textual record because the perm rule didn't occur until the 18th dynasty right prior to that it was the coffin text and prior to that was uh walls >> pyramid text >> and then prior to that was just writing on linen on the uh the the the the um the deceased and so this whole thing is not about the 18th dynasty or what they did right so um your thoughts um I don't think you said nothing wrong uh you know is a lineage of the of what the perime comes from and you just gave it you know the coffin text wonderful things on different walls and temples >> i.e the different temples, then the pyramid text >> and and I think all of that originally comes from oral traditions that came from Africa and it got just like anything else changed over time maybe or augmented over time. Maybe they did some research themselves as they I think they were scientists and historians themselves and they added and changed or augmented what they did. I mean even in science today there's different aspects science that don't fully agree like general relativity and quantum mechanics.
>> They don't agree at all but they exist in a paradigm within the same world at the same time >> and scientists are trying to work that out. So I think it's something similar to that that occurred. Yeah, it was a lot of absorbing. Uh, prior to that, for example, Osur, he wasn't the big guy.
>> It was Sakir Soker. Um, >> so yeah, yeah.
>> Yeah, he was the big guy. And then, uh, he absorbed or seir, right? And then there were other, uh, big guys from other places. There was men, right? Remember I told you I argued I think that men is actually men. You know how you see a tomb and then you can see the word sometimes written just as tomb.
>> I think that same grammatical concept relates to amen and men.
Uh I think there's a lot of what we call synretatism absorption and and uh and that the early the early people when they deceased they went to their place and their place was uh pretty much in a tomb or in the ground. Uh earlier than that it was tumuli. Uh they would uh create a kind of a rock burial, right?
um and that you would go to your place and you would be happy with what happened or what you was doing in your life. And so if you was um uh how can I say if you was a cattle person you would um that's and most of them were cattle people but not all of them then the days of your life with your wife you would um you you would you would tend your imagination in your place right and then later it became more cosmic uh it became cosmic in literature right but um yeah so your your general thoughts.
>> Um, I agree with that mostly. I think that it was some because I studied all these oral traditions and it's real hard to date oral traditions, >> but you kind of do it linguistically by how they might find certain words that date to certain morphines that deal with agriculture and then they say, "Okay, they were eating agriculture at this time, this specific type of plant." So it's kind of hard to date them, but you see those astrological aspects combined with agriculture and what you said the cattle pastoralism >> culture for sure. You see that amal you see amalgamation of those three things.
>> You can even see that with the dung beetle, you know.
>> So >> yeah.
>> Right. So these are observations that the people had and uh uh first they drew them but they drew them in a very uh organized way in things called vignettes and we can find that in uh the nata bosses right they also etched in stone >> uh and they and and that comes from our earlier periods of Africans deeper in the south >> such as um southern Africa and ultimately African that came from the green Sahara.
>> Agreed.
>> And then migrated because of the climate into uh into what we now call the western and eastern deserts that were not always um deserts. So um >> it's pretty recent in history too. It's not that old.
>> No. So we uh all these uh chem brushing their teeth people uh they don't talk about they don't talk about that. I do got to give Ankh credit because Ankh does talk about that. And then there's this whole thing uh that um the high priest of of metaphors uh that's him um him metaphor him no but him metaphor because the nets are are not uh real the nets are real but they're not literal. So if they're not literal that means they are metaphorical. So uh him that are of um uh metaphors uh and that's not what he teaches to the community teaches uh symbolism a lot.
>> Yeah. And that's not right. I mean even some of the the pharaohs um let me say were became recognized in the text as when they passed on.
>> I'm going give you something to read right because uh people don't know that you do know the metanete and I have taken a peak. So, I see that you are um uh uh it's not difficult. Um but I see that you could get around it. So, I just want to big you up and uh let's just see if I could uh pull this up.
>> Okay.
>> And you don't have to rush. Um um uh you don't have to rush, but uh I think this is Okay, great. So, I have it here. I have it. And let me just see if I can um put it on the screen because I want to I I I when I like somebody's work, I tell them I like their work, right? And if I think that I could uh be in any assistance, right? And there's better metan uh I'm I'm introductory med medium. Uh right, I'm definitely not >> but I have enough to be able to at least check the text. So here is this text right here.
Reggie, you a troll.
>> I see.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Uhhuh.
>> Uhhuh.
>> Yeah. So >> yeah, right >> so um wait, first of all, is it literal?
>> I already know what you was coming with when I looked at the >> Okay. Well, don't translate.
>> I said >> don't translate.
>> I'm not I just read it. I ain't gonna translate it. But I just ask you some questions about it. Is it literal?
>> To me it is.
>> Wait, wait. Is there any metaphors?
What's the metaphors?
>> No.
>> Huh? Is it straight literal?
>> Yes.
>> Okay. Is a natural involved in it being literal?
>> Yeah, it's right there. In fact, >> there's a uh >> there's a suffix a uh a um a suffix there. The f suffix the personal a personal pronoun right there.
>> Uhhuh. Yeah. Right.
>> Right. Um this is the metaneta. Is is there a man? Is he a uh is he is he nonliteral?
>> He's very literal.
>> Okay, great. Is the writing literal?
>> Yes, it is. Is it writing?
>> Yes, sir.
>> Is it to the letter?
>> It's to the letter.
>> Is it about the letter?
>> I said you being a troll.
>> Is it about the net rule?
>> Yes.
>> Okay. U one time I put this up there in him nature of metaphors. Uh he said there's can be one more many translations. I don't disagree. I don't disagree. There's nuances in particular words like make.
>> Sure.
uh to uh uh it doesn't have to be make in this. It could be that we um assign right. It could be words like that right but ear >> is nor normally uh to make but it could be actually to uh to assign right. Um so to the audience it basically I don't I don't know what happened to um Jose. Um, I don't know what happened to Jose, but um, but it it it says uh his name is Nefamat, right?
>> And he's a royal. He's a N suit.
>> He's a he's a royal, right?
>> And then it says that's just his name and title. He's royal. And it says that he assigns or he makes, right? Um, >> yep. Is make right there. Right.
>> Right. And he he he makes he assigns the netu.
>> Right.
>> His netu.
>> Right. Well, right.
>> Histo which is worse. Right.
>> Which is worse. That's why I said that.
>> Right. The personal pronoun. Right.
Right.
>> Right.
>> Personal pronoun subject right there.
>> Yeah. And so, uh, ladies and gentlemen, this is a literal statement of the natural rule. As a matter of fact, it's a very important statement of the natural rule. And it's, uh, very literal. It has nothing to do with the forces and energy, right? And how they work in the universe, right? It's a description on someone assigning his natural rule, right? And I'll stop right there, but um I'm not a troll. I'm just trying to say that uh when the person who the himnetra of metaphors uh why don't he show some meta where makes his point.
Um so generally in the next seven eight minutes um kick your kick your ish.
What's going on? That's the that's the issue I had with what he was saying with them yesterday and and and the elder Sonetta kept me on ice for two hours then let aunt come up here and give a little mini presentation then I had to dip out.
>> Okay. Ank Ank is uh he's one of the pillars of uh which is helpful. So you um I know I noticed that Harin. So that's why I said uh you know if they want to smoke with you. So um You can pull up. I got a couple minutes.
>> Yeah. So, uh uh that uh I I would hope that the Hebrews and the uh Christians don't pull up on you. Uh because that would be uh disastrous, right? That that would be disastrous.
But um you know uh how can I say you know things like Christ and stuff like that. Is Christ literal?
Yeah. Uh, is is the word historical?
Yes. Um, Jabari gets away with attacking people and then when they attack back and challenges them, he kind of uh uh doesn't want to deal with the actual arguments and >> and he can get out of it because they can't really p they can't they can't hold him accountable because they don't know enough about the topic to hold him accountable >> and neither side. See, that's what the Elder S upset me about. Like, hey, he, hey, you know, S when Hebrew or Christian up here, man, he'll go into that Bible and bang on him. He say, here's this here, this contradiction where this say this, but you said that.
But he never ever goes into the Egyptian text to see if what Jabari is kicking is real.
>> Well, he has me. He'll call me up and he'll call um he'll call a number of people up and um uh how can I say? And that's why we're here today. Not because Sonetta calls me, but I was like, you know, this guy um you know, this guy is saying too much untrue. And it's not that I feel any pain or suffering for the Christians or the Hebrews, but when he starts teaching um uh our people, right, and he leaves things untrue and he seems like he's the ultimate expert and he can't be impeached and then he goes into witness protection program. Well, I'm like, >> that's what I've been saying the whole time. Reggie get the witness protection program. He still ain't Hey, Reggie. I mean, Jabari, you haven't emailed me back yet.
>> Oh, let me put you on the big screen.
Put you on the big screen so you can Here you go. Right here, >> Jabari. You haven't emailed me back yet.
>> You can't look at You can't. Huh? You got to look in the camera, Harway.
>> You got You got to email me back. You got to get out this program. See, I thought you was out of that protection program, but come to find out, you might be in it. You got time to come talk to these Hebrew brothers. And I love my Hebrew brothers, especially Kazad. I got a I got affinity for Cassad.
But you got time to talk to them. You ain't got time to email me back, brother. Come on, man. We got the two top. I think I think brother Reggie took my second topic. We could come up with another one because you can't deal with Reggie on that topic. But just come on, man. I I respect you as a as a scholar, but we got to get it in. We got to lock on >> topics. He don't pick topics where he cannot finagle, right? So he'll go around and say something like the tomhole forever. So Harwin, is it Tomu the white man?
>> No. Yes or no? But no, not originally.
>> Okay. So, uh, the >> liberals.
>> Yeah. But when the word was used, right, by particular people, were they the white man?
>> I don't I wouldn't call him the white man that we say today. No.
>> Okay. Were Libyans white at that time?
I think there was DNA there that people might consider Asiatic or Indo-European, but it's not native to Africa. So, were they native black Africans? Maybe some of them were.
Um, I think it's ambiguous, but they wouldn't be called what we call white today.
>> Did they harm How did they harm Africa?
>> How did the the Tahinu harm Africa?
>> Yeah.
I mean they they had wars back and forth with the rematch just like there was some conflict with the rematch and the the Cash and Tashetti the the Nubian and the Hessi people over time like >> right >> so it's kind of that's ambiguous I wouldn't I wouldn't use it like how Jabar is using it right now >> was the people in uh uh in Tawi civilization were they always correct?
>> No, they wasn't always correct. No.
>> Right. So why do we why do we why do people take their side their propaganda?
>> There's a overro romanticization or Egyptianization of it. Like to your point when you talk about you don't ever want to talk about where the origins of these people come from from the green sahara from central and southern Africa which these some of these people are mentioned by name in the text regardless of their anacronisms or not these different groups are mentioned by name and I think there's a over overemphasis on dynastic Egypt >> because we think I think maybe that we think that's when it was great. That's not my opinion >> but I think that's what it is. I think it's because Europeans had liked Egypt.
They were marketing Egypt, right?
Because they could see some of themselves. Now, there was two groups.
There's the Tay groups, which is to group, the the Tamahu as he calls it.
>> Uh then there is the Tenno groups. So groups are the people that are more uh what you would say uh uh northn north African right those groups >> who are the to the té groups >> can you say that again reggie >> to groups the tomahoo groups the the t >> the tomahoo groups I mean they were some of the the tenu I think at different time period those were used interchangeably but I think those were more Asiatic people that came in I don't think they were North African.
>> Um, well, okay. So, who >> I mean, somebody might consider them that, you know, you know how ambiguous that can be.
>> Well, I don't think so. so much ambiguous because the the the uh the groups recorded by the ancient Egyptians, the Tahu groups, well, no, the the Tino groups, they were uh uh they were the groups that you might see in uh uh North Africa that may have came been part of the Hekosu groups, >> right?
>> As some of the Canaanites. So, these are immediate people in the north. uh the T the TA groups. These are the groups coming from the green Sahara that ultimately interface with uh Nubia, >> right? Uh well, >> if you talk about the green Sahara for sure, >> but they can say that about the the some people might consider those in what they anacronistically calling Canaan, they might consider them the Western the Western Nufians that originally came from Africa too. So that's why I said that could be ambiguous. Well, I um Okay, so that so that's a topic, but uh Dr. Christine Chlorer uh she does a great mapping of them and the Té uh so when you look at the nees groups you will see uh the the Té group when you see the uh Harou uh story he's going to go down south and he's going to mess with >> uh the Tamahu groups, right? different groups for sure.
>> Right.
>> Sometime I think the Nubians was called Hixos at one time.
>> Oh, they were. Oh, great insight.
>> The Nubians are the so-called Hekasu is a confederation of groups, not a >> right. So, sorry Hebrews, the Hixos cannot be uh uh anything connected to your uh Abraham. They were confederation groups because the Amos uh Kamo uh Stellas they uh they talk about uh the the southern having a piece of Africa piece of their country and the northern groups having a piece of their country. Two groups having uh a bite of their uh uh of their >> and that is the hecka kasut. And the heeka means foreign rulers. So I'm sorry it's not a people group related to religion but you know you can >> originally was a word that can be used for anybody that's a foreigner. Now was it used the people that came from Canaan at a certain time period? Sure. But any the Egyptians that sometimes considered the the the Nessie or the Nubian foreigners at one point >> even though they're not they're not really.
>> No once they >> they would be labeled that way >> right by their propaganda. Right.
>> Exactly. But if you're brushing your teeth with the uh uh Colgate uh Kimmit uh you uh you're going to miss this because you're brushing your teeth with the uh Colgate Kim Kim Kate, right? So >> yeah, I had to swallow that pill. My professor told me, but at one time the Nubian was called uh Hicks. I was like, "What?"
Then I I looked into it. Yeah, it's a true thing.
>> Oh, there was a king of the Hakasu called Nahess.
And it's funny because in Genesis, Abraham was a part of a confederacy. I want to say Genesis 18.
>> And that confederacy included Amorites and different people. So, >> right. So, I mean >> that's not an attack on you Hebrew brothers. I'm just keeping it a book.
>> Yeah. So uh no they what they have done is imperialized and they created uh they're using their Bible as a uh how can I say the bullseye and then from the bullseye they're spanning out but they don't know the history they uh you know uh there was a a conversation about the exodus and uh and that was really interesting um uh you Hebrews when you find uh people within Egypt practicing L L and and Yahweh. I'm talking about within Egypt proper and you're talking about thousands of people. You let me know cuz they wasn't worshiping any L or Yahweh in Egypt or Tawi civilization. They weren't worshiping uh those groups. Uh the the Yahweh groups were raiders, the Shashu of Yahweh and the uh L people were >> Oh yeah, for sure. For sure.
>> In Canaan. So what we do find is ba right we find bao inside uh um the two lands but you don't find l so where they wor these groups of people who you claim to be uh uh exodus where they worshiping ba even though there's not a a a whole group of ba worshippers you could say the heck of kasu worshiped ba and Egyptian gods but they didn't worship l and yahweh so your bible story is really problematic, right? And that's >> it's problematic. It's problematic.
>> There's some things in there I think that that shows that they were worshiping B. I don't think they probably would admit that.
>> All right, so uh five more minutes. Hey, Harin, call them all out, right? Like who's pseudo? Who who who who you got your eyes on? Uh you know, who you going to put your boots on their neck? Uh you got >> Oh, first things first, Jabario Sizing.
I'm not I do not want to take the focus off Jabario Sazi.
Do not want to do that. Um the brother me and the brother Yara >> program you're not gonna you're you're not going to get him until somebody somebody makes him mortal, right? You know the professor, you're not going to get him until somebody makes him mortal.
And I'm going to make him very mortal if he if he chooses to debate what he taught, right? I'm gonna make him very mortal, right? Um Okay.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Brother Re, you took you took my topic from me, but I know that you're not gonna be able to really deal with you on that topic.
>> I'm sorry, good brother, but I noticed it like you noticed it. And I have a little stature. I have a little stature.
And I'm not going to let him do what he did with Inky, like you know, some backroom deal where he finesses. No. If I talk to Jabari, >> that was a finesse.
Oh yeah, >> they finessed my brother Inky. They did.
That was a finesse.
>> Uh well, it wasn't uh What do you mean?
Zetta wants a good debate. If you sonet like this and leave it up to you. If you want to be finessed, he's not going to stop the finessing.
You got to know Setta. He not gonna stop the finessing because that's up to you, right? So >> that's fair. Yeah, that don't I mean Setta puts on uh tries to put on some of the best debates, but if you uh he's the best on these platforms on our platforms, Sanetta is the best, right?
So he's, you know, he's like in the streets, right? If you if somebody gonna take your money, he not going to stand up for you.
>> But he not doing that with Jabari. He protecting him. When I was up there talking to Jabari, he said, "No, no, no, Jabari, don't do it." He gonna show that map. Listen, man. You can have that map.
Yeah, >> but Harwin >> and you will still get it.
>> Harwin, you gonna have your time.
You just have to be patient and at the same time every time he comes up, you got to eat his food. Even you got to take his food from his plate. You know, like like what they say in the prison yard and somebody uh got a a a bun, some bread, and you ain't >> Oh, your cornbread. Give me your cornbread.
>> Yeah, give me your cornbread. And I'mma take some of your gravy, too. So look, Harwin, you brand new to this, man. I mean, there's some people that's been here for a while, but you are formidable. So just keep taking the boys cornbread. He ain't gonna fight.
>> Oh, we ain't going to let him out that corner. He's on video accepting it already. We ain't gonna We ain't going to let that go.
>> Yeah, but >> All you got to do is ask S. I've been texting S every other day. Rumble, young man. Rumble. He can't deal with me. You know, he call him Floyd Mayweather. So, I'm giving him this whole Ali thing.
Like, he ain't Ali. I don't even know how he Floyd with some of these losses, but that's cool, too.
>> Okay. Off of Jabari, you say Yara. You Yara is somebody.
>> Uh, the elder Yara had a me and him had a conversation on here when the PA was up here. Easy Bands was up here and he was talking about the term Elohim and Uncle was a was jumped in and started to catching bullets for him. But Yah was up here talking about the Elohim and what what what's happening in Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 127, Genesis 2:7. He was talking about that and it was a fundamental misunderstanding. I think Nepal is Nepal Hebrew Israelite.
>> Uhhuh.
She's >> I think she got the best command.
>> She's Nepal. She knows um you you got to give it to her. She knows um she knows she knows the Bible. So you got to give it to her. She's nepot.
>> That's what I was about to say. I think she has the best command of the Bible than all of them.
>> That's my honest opinion.
>> Just from hearing her say certain things. From hearing her say certain things that day when I was talking to y her and her and I were talking to yara and easy bands because they was kind of jumping on and and s was right there.
But s started listening when I started got to talking. I got to showing them things in the Hebrew text in the me it was in the messeretic text but whatever.
Yeah.
Well, she she >> just me hearing things that she said, anybody that really studied the language would know like, oh yeah, she know what she talking about.
>> Um, so she um but she's also new. Um, she's she figures she got her weight up and and I'm not going to say that she hasn't. Um, but she's fighting against her own um not her own, but people who worship the Bible. And so, uh, um, she'd be able to have a a a good debate with, um, with, uh, one of these, uh, uh, lamb eating, uh, uh, Hebrew.
>> I don't think they can deal with her.
I'm gonna be real with you.
>> Well, yeah, but the problem is he she gets uh, a little esoterical and then in the minute that you get into a space where you have to overly prove something, then that becomes problematic, right? that can become problematic if she's a state in the academia. She's one of the first Hebrew Israelites or if she doesn't identify that I apologize but she's one of the first people of that that similar faith that admits the anuma. When I was up there talking I got the quoting the the atraasis and she was agreeing with me.
>> So when I seen that I said oh yeah >> she's telling the truth as much as she know as much as she know she can.
>> She's much more expanded. So, uh, she's like in a situation with you. She she would like to debate Jabari, right? Uh, well, she did with, um, with the group of Yara and Guerilla Hebrew. And so, uh, so she she's debated within a group, but we shall see. And, uh, we shall see uh, you. So, if you wanted to debate Jabari, look in the camera. Would you want to debate him more?
Uh same topic I told him that's on record and can nwapu be found in Africa on the continent of Africa before Dr. the Malakazi York pondab yaon ever said ever said anything about it that's the first topic the second topic is what we was originally talking about when we came on that you took from me >> okay that's in the past and uh listen uh the debate with the with him of metaphors may not happen explain why because the himna of I'll explain why later so you might end up with that topic because >> uh all I'm going to just do is drag him until he gets the debate. And so somebody says per a says I'm trying to take away Jabari's shrine. I mean his his his shine. Uh yeah yeah yeah. What about what about my own shine? Why? I I was here before.
I was I was here before. Right.
>> Oh you got to be trying to take somebody shine just because we want to be academically correct. When it's Jabari is oh we trying to be academically correct. When it's someone else all you trying to take it shine. I thought this was about information, not shine.
>> No, we doing it's entertainment. You know what we doing? So, because you want to put pompoms on and you want to wear u panties and you want to root for somebody who don't even talk about you, care about you, wants to make you anarent, put you in a shrine, right? Uh if that's what you want to do, right? Um that's fine. But when it comes to information, so Mr. Osas, professor Osas because that's his title now or adjunct professor Osas because I I don't think you you're not a full professor until you are on the tenure track and to do that you have to have substantial writings and in academia you have to publish a parish and so he's at a tier where he could stay adjunct for 10 20 years uh but he won't move up unless he uh publishes Right. And um but that's the profession that he's in and and I'm not taking enough away from him, but I'm a I know many of uh I knew my mentor was the director of black studies at City College and that's my mentor, Dr. Leonard Jeff, and he gave a lot he made a lot of people professors that weren't professors, right? And uh he cultivated them, but it was him to make them a professor to bring them into the department.
So, uh, that's just how it works. It's sometimes more political because there are a lot of PhDs that are out of work in history. They went to Temple. They went to Ohio State and they got PhDs.
They went to and they got PhDs, but they can't find a job in black studies as a professor, right? And so, >> there's some truth to that. My professor told me about that because I I I had still wanted to be professor and he was telling me about that recent recent conversation we had like last month.
>> Yeah. So um okay Harwin um three more minutes yara uh the himneter who else >> the hyper >> him you know Motep was the uh himnet >> yeah he was the top of all the the the first the top the head of >> yeah he was so in his shrine in Jabari shrine he's him Uh, who else? Yara, who else you want to deal with?
>> Uh, I don't know if I really want to debate. Yra, um, I'll just mention him because that's a conversation we haven't had any enough engagements with anybody to specifically call anybody out other than Jabari because he spoke on me and not me directly, but he spoke on New Apple. And anybody that anybody that that want to do that can get it, >> they can do, we can do it at the same time.
>> All right. Well, you keep doing the good work. um and we'd be looking for you and you and so they could put some respect on Harwin and uh the the brothership and sisterhip that birthed him uh independent of um Dr. York. But Dr. York's uh teachings uh his public teachings are um were formidable. Um, I know because I knew when um shoot uh uh uh he had a disagreement with Dr. Yseph Benjan and um uh as a military uh the air law uh would have ate our food militarily. They would have ate our food, right? Um we were not built like they were built, right? Uh we were built intellectually. they they they wore combat boots and jalabas, right? And uh so we were not built like them. But intellectually that's when I met Dr. uh uh York and uh his brother who's a Muslim. I I I I knew them um a long time but from a distance. Uh so uh before you go, anybody anything else?
>> No man, I appreciate the time, man.
Jabari, come on man. Stop. Get out. come up out of hiding. You got time to talk to everybody else.
>> We got chance to listen to our good brother Harwin and uh Harwin uh your name. What is it me?
>> Say that again.
>> Your name, but is it me?
>> Har like Haru. It just doesn't have the uh the oo at the end.
>> Okay. And then when when means to exist but it's also a play on words for one or the English word when >> but it's it's it's like when and nefer like a sar's name >> when meaning to exist. So high on high exist high existence exist on high.
>> So uh hero exists in Harwin right in Harwin and I think that you're formidable and um I is your name literal >> is very literal. My full name that that's an epic. My full name is actually Haran Mhhat Amun. That's my full name.
>> I heard Jabari's name. Um I heard Jabari's name. I I don't know if it's um uh I'll leave it like that.
>> Reggie got smoke.
Yeah, I I I don't like I I I don't like them. I I don't like them. I don't like them people. They string words together and stuff like that. And uh and then he said something really nasty when I brought up who is this teacher. I wasn't making a a dig on uh the ancestor Baba Hebrew Sama, but I would like I would have liked to talk to him and I have talked to him, right? And I have an idea of what some of the things that he taught and I I know the differences between what he taught and uh uh the himnate.
But uh >> what's his name?
>> Uh which one? Baba Sam Pata.
>> Uh that was that's Jabari's teacher.
>> Yeah, that's his teacher. Yes. Well, he said he had other teachers. I I don't know who they are.
>> I didn't know Baba Heru was his teacher.
Okay.
>> Yeah. Baba Heru. uh uh uh Sama Seatar was his uh was the person that uh made him a a priest. He was in that school but I knew around Unafer not no know but I've been around him and uh all those other uh groups Mut Ashby I don't know know him but I know some of his uh work uh my my work is uh uh um ASCA and that and and uh but for initially was Dr. RKetti Amen. I didn't know anything about uh uh the media or the culture until Dr. uh uh Reti uh Amen uh taught us and then um what I heard was words and stuff like that whole chap and stuff like that but she taught us to uh source it and then it was uh Dr. Jacob Kurthers and uh Dr. Milana Coringa >> uh along with Dr. Yo Ben Joan, but he didn't teach us the language. He taught us the uh chronology and the history, right?
>> Yeah. Yeah. I think Dr. Ben was on the history and chronology. If I'm not mistaken, I think Dr. Ricardia went to school up here by me, University of Chicago. Am I right?
>> Yes. She got her PhD from uh uh the Oriental Institute as it called, Chicago in Linguistics. and she uh as a young woman before her doctorate she would teach us the media right before she was a PhD right when I met her um she I don't I don't know if she defended yet but she came and she taught uh she taught the community the other school of the metaneta is uh Dr. Theopala banger in um temple with uh Dr. Mario Batty right uh then Dr. Bang is one of my favorites.
>> Yeah. Um yeah, I've got a chance to sit down at his feet and listen to him teach at his feet. Um listen and and so that's one of my fond memories. So let me get to this uh uh this debate uh controversy.
All right.
Brother Reggie send to you, brother.
>> Put you on the spotlight. Put you on the spot. All right. Put you on the spotlight. This was our brother um Horus that exists in the flesh. Literal.
Peace.
>> Peace.
>> All right. So, we now we gonna get to the ish. So, where's this at? I I just wanted to do that for the young brothers because we seem to be competitive with them and uh yeah. So, let me put this on.
Is it popping? Okay. Or the net is real but not literal. The debate controversy.
Um there's a debate controversy right now. Uh the debate controversy is that I am trying to hold uh Jabari to what he actually said, right? Uh what he's been teaching in our community. And I I need to ask you, should we hold people to what they say?
Press one if they make claims. Should we hold down to what they say? Press one.
Uh the the issue is the issue is if we as a community if we cannot hold people to what they say then um when it goes wrong uh then we allowed it. Now we do internal criticism in our community.
So, Jabari is saying that the nets are real, but they're not literal uh and actual and or forces and or um what do you call it? Energy.
And I disagree.
I agree with the part that the nets are real. I disagree that they are literal.
They're not literal. I disagree that they are forces and principles uh and energy.
I think that those are things simply to describe the net. I think that they're real beings according to the ancient people. I am not going to disrespect the ancient people because that's not my faith, spirituality or religion. I'm going if I chose to study them, which I I did choose to study them, I'm going to study them. And then as a man or as a woman, I'm going to turn around and I'm going to say what I'm willing to accept of their ancient practice, what parts and what am I going to accept in my current cultural politics. Right? Uh brother Reggie's uh religion uh spirituality if you want to use those words that I really don't use is that my mother and my father are my netors.
Right? My grandparents and greatgrandparents are my nurse. My friends and companions are my nurse. My son is my nurse, right? And um my community is my nurse. Uh the things that happened to my community are my nurse. All of those things that exist in my life are my natures, right? My natures. And I think most of you is the same. I'm not adopting an ancient practice that I'm not a part of.
I will uh adopt concepts of an ancient practice that fits in my current life. I am not going to be walking around in a costume in New York City on a train at 2 o'clock at night just because it makes me feel good because it doesn't give me any superpowers on that train on that R train. That six train, that two train, that A train, that N train, that R train. It don't give me no superpowers.
It doesn't stop anybody from doing anything to me. Right. And I don't need a coochie to be who I am. But if that's what you want to do, that's fine. I got it. Now, what is this debate controversy on? So, let's go. I'm going to put this on. No. So, the first thing is Mr. Oaz.
Um, he wasn't truthful. I'm not going to say he lied, but I'm not going to truth be. I'm going to say he's not truthful.
So before Saninetta put up the uh before Sanetta put up the flyer, it seemed that Mr. Oazi told the audience that we did not have an agreement. Sanetta didn't put up a date.
He didn't put any way to sell tickets.
What brother Sanetta says, "Well, I have an announcement. Uh, brother Reggie will debate Jabari or Jabari has consented to debate brother Reggie. So with that, Sanetta put up the flyer. Jabari comes the other night and says, "Oh, there's a whole bunch of disagreement. We got to sit in the back room.
I'm not we got to talk." I'm like, "We could talk in public in the internet. We could let the people know. That would that would allow the people now to want to buy tickets. Is that fair? Press two.
Is that fair? So, what I'm going to share is this is what I'm going Oh, Elder Suntan, my man. My main man.
Elder Suntan, what's going on before I start?
>> Uh, peace, peace. I'm just listening to you get out. Um, you know, keeping the room intact.
>> Okay. So, family. So uh uh professor uh uh Jabario Sasi uh knowing full well that Sanetta wants a uh in-person debate, right? Because he hasn't had one in um a while. So Sanetta is looking for in-person debate because that's what he loves. He loves to be in person. This online stuff, no Sanetta wants to be in the game, right? So we had a conversation. So where's this conversation? Oh, the banner's still up.
Sorry. So, I want to let everybody know that Mr. Os wasn't honest to the public.
Right. There you go.
Okay, let me blow it up.
Uh, here. Can I blow this up?
Uh, I'm sorry. I'm having some difficulties blowing it up. I don't know why. Um but anyway, oh let me just take myself off the screen. Okay.
Okay. Wonderful. So we were having a conversation online about the elements of the debate so that Sanetta can get to a flyer. Right. So this is the way it went.
Here it goes.
>> Tommy with his mother. Of course I will argue of course I will argue that the netu are real. I will not argue that the netu are literal.
And so that is where the the um the contest is. It's about whether the netule are literal.
And so that is where the debate must be.
>> We agree on topic. That's That's very good.
>> We But but when you said that you would never argue with something's real, you said it out your mouth. So, and I >> I would never I would never argue a topic a debate topic about whether it's real. That's what I just said.
>> You would say it.
>> You will you will say it but you will say but not but but not debate it.
>> Is he breaking up on my end or is that me breaking up?
>> No, no. That's probably you breaking up.
We hear good.
I'm debating what you said. I um real their forces and their mind is breaking up on my end. Hold on one second. Hold. Let me see if I can get to a a slightly better place.
>> And brother Reggie, he never said they were not facing.
>> No, it's even worse.
Hello.
>> Yes. Go ahead, Jabari.
>> No, I'm not hearing clearly. Uh, can you call me back? Call me back. I'll call you right back.
>> Uh, uh, >> yo, I don't need nobody else to talk but just Reggie and Jabari.
>> Yeah.
>> I know what he said.
Hey, you think I'm hallucinated?
>> Peace. I'm here.
>> All right. You sound better.
>> Right now it does.
>> All right. Go ahead.
Go ahead.
>> He was breaking down something. Go ahead, Red.
>> Do you hear me?
>> Yes, I hear you.
>> I can hear you.
>> All right. Go ahead, Reggie. But the fact of the matter is it was Jabari that was talking, not Reggie. I was listening.
>> No, no. In the time you were talking, I didn't hear you clearly. Maybe you didn't realize I wasn't able to hear you. I said, "Oh, I'm not able to hear you."
>> So, we have uh we have a debate topic, right? We both agree that the NZ are real. You believe that they are not literal and that they're forces and energies. I disagree with that. So that's a debate topic. So >> it sound it sounds like we have a good debate topic. Sure. Now we can play around with some of the wording, but the the core of it is there and that's really good. We have something we can work with.
>> Okay. So what what the timeline? Two months. You know what I'm saying? In two months.
>> Okay. So family, I'mma play it back again. Right. I'm going play it back again. So, um, you know, debate titles are really short to the moment. So, the the the thing that's in dispute or is the nets uh not that the nets are real, we both agree, but he says that the netters are not literal and not actual, right? And um and that that's the way uh forces and energies work in the universe. So, I want to let the public know that we did have a conversation in public on because I'm not having no conversation with him over the phone.
I'm having a conversation with him uh in public because I'm going to explain to you what happened during the Inky debate, right? And I'm going show you how I think that this uh that that that that it was problematic. So, uh I'mma play it again.
Right. We had a public conversation >> forces.
>> Okay. So, where is it? Uh, >> and brother Reggie, he never said they were not real.
>> Stop. Just relax.
>> No, it's even worse.
Hello.
>> Yes. Go ahead, Jabari.
>> No, I'm not hearing clearly. Uh, can you call me back? Call me back.
>> I'll call you right back.
Uh uh.
>> Yo, I don't need nobody else to talk but just Reggie and Jabari.
>> Yeah, I know what he said.
>> Hey, do you think I'm hallucinated?
>> Peace. I'm here.
>> All right, you sound better right now. It does.
>> All right. Go ahead.
>> He was breaking down something. Go ahead. Right.
>> Do you hear me?
>> Yes, I hear you.
>> I can hear you.
>> All right. Go ahead, Reggie. But the fact of the matter is it was Jabari that was talking, not Reggie. I was listening.
>> No, no. In the time you were talking, I didn't hear you clearly. Maybe you didn't realize I wasn't able to hear you. I said, "Oh, I'm not able to hear you."
>> So, we have uh we have a debate topic, right? We both agree that the NES are real. You believe that they are not literal and that they're forces and energies. I disagree with that. So, that's a debate topic. Okay, >> it sound it sounds like we have a good debate topic. Sure. Now, we can play around with some of the wording, but the the core of it is there and that's really good. We have something we can work with.
>> Okay. So, what what timeline? Two months. See what I'm saying? In two months, >> they don't exist.
And from what you said, they are forces.
They are forces and energy.
>> And Reggie is saying they are real and they are literal. No, I'm saying they're all I'm saying they all I'm saying they are real and everything else that he act everything else after that I disagree.
They're not principles.
Uh they are they're not principles. They are not energy.
Uh they do exist and they are literal.
>> Oh, that's what I said.
>> Well well let let's be clear. I've I've had this conversation on your platform a a large number of times, son. Um, and I will never agree to a topic that has the world the word real in it because there are many things that are real that are not tangible. The example I always give is the fact that freedom is not something that you can see or taste or feel. But many people, particularly many people in our community, revolutionaries, powerful powerful activists, have died for freedom.
They're willing to die for something that is not tangible. And so saying something is real is extreme is not as clear as it may sound.
>> Of course, I will argue that the finish.
Of course I will argue.
>> Of course I will.
>> Let him finish cuz he ain't got that much time. He with his mother.
>> Of course I will argue. Of course I will argue that the netu are real. I will not argue that the netu are literal.
And so that is where the the um the contest is. It's about whether the netu are literal.
And so that is where the debate must be at.
>> Okay. So um the the it's whether the netule or literal um his real and my real might be two different things. But what I would agree on is that he can express what he means by real right which we don't know. He used the term freedom is real but it's intangible.
But uh but Snetta was not wrong about putting up a flyer that we tentatively agreed with. Now, I am not going to have a conversation with this dude on the phone. Um I'm going to have a conversation with him in public. Do y'all think that's fair? I I I think that that I think that that is fair, right, to have a conversation with him uh in public. So, let me go through. Let me get a glass of water and I and I look at the comments, but I have to get a glass of water and I'm going to come back and I'm going to tell you what the problems is this.
All right.
Now, I'm going to be uh very literal uh because I'm writing and I'm going to tell you some background issues about what happened with uh Dr. Inky. Um and again um you know Shanet's job is to do a debate for the public.
It's the debator's job to uh articulate what they want to debate.
We had a tentative agreement with some nuances, right? Uh but the topic, the main topic is are they literal or are they not?
and everything else is nuanced, right?
So, the nuances could be explained in the debate, but for the purposes of a flyer, I think that that's enough. All his double talk about things being real or not real, uh he could express that in the uh debate, but he did say it. So, here's my conversation.
academic debate, definitionial precision, and the ethics of a public um disposation.
A proper academic dispute does not begin by softening the language under examination. It begins by identifying the exact claim, phrase, or formulation that a speaker has voluntarily placed in the public record. And by testing that language as stated, when a public advocate later complains that a debate title or challenge is limiting because it quotes his own wording, the complaint usually reveals not unfairness in the title, but discomfort with the precision that scholarship requires.
Okay.
What an academic debate is. An academic debate is structured reason governed exchange in which participants defend clearly stated propositions, define their terms, answer objections, and submit their claim to scrutiny before an audience using standards of evidence, coherence, consistency.
In public facing scholarly discussions, the point is not mere verbal performance but accountability.
A disputant is expected to stand behind what has been asserted, clarify ambiguities, and either defend or revise positions when challenged. This means in an academic debate, it's not an exercise in strategic vagueness.
Its purpose is to defeat the moment a participant is allowed to enjoy the rhetoric retical uh rhetorical force of a provocative public statement and then when pressed retreat into softer broader or newly altered language. Precision is not hostility. Precision is the minimal condition for serious intellectual engagement.
We are trying to have an academic debate based on what he says. I think it's vague. I think it's double speak. I don't think it's accurate, right, to ancient uh tawi belief, the two lands belief, right? I don't think it's accurate. I think it's double speak. I think it's new age, right? I don't think it specifically deals with the ancient Africans, right? Uh, and people can have their interpretations. I'm arguing that his interpretation is incorrect.
Why exact phrasing matters? First, let me look at the chat.
Oh, uh, you can show me lunch. After this, I can buy some lunch. I'll be happy to to buy some lunch. So there's my cash app and I'm also protecting the integrity of Sanetta's platform, right? I shouldn't have to argue. I shouldn't have to do any of this stuff.
You said it, defend it. What exact phrasing matters? When a person states a proposition in public, the wording used is not a decorative shell around the real ideas. It is the very form in which the idea entered public discourse. If a speaker says for example that a thing is real not literal that exact phrase becomes the proper object of analysis.
Any challenge built from that formulation is academically appropriate because it tests the speaker's own conceptual architecture rather than a straw man. He said it. defended exactly as you said it right. Disputing a term exactly as stated is professional for several reasons. It preserves the historical record of what actually was said. It prevents retroactive dilution of claims after criticism begins. It keeps the burden of clarification on the person who made the statement. It allows the audience to evaluate whether the speaker's wording is coherent, defensible, and consistently applied.
Right? Um, in scholarship, in in scholarship, terms matter because arguments live or die on distinctions.
The difference between real, literal, actual, symbolic, force, and energy is not cosmetic. Each word carries different onlogical, epistemological and retical implications. To pre to permit a dispute, a disputing to slide among them after the fact is to reward imprecision and to punish rigor.
I am looking for rigor. You said it, defend it. Don't slide.
One second.
Why changing the term softens the dispute?
One critical once a critic frames the dispute around the exact public statement the speaker may try to reward the issue.
The term is said to be too narrow, too limiting, too simplistic or too loaded.
This maneuver usually functions as a softening device. It does not sharpen the dispute. It blurs it. Changing the term from the original statement has been made uh uh from after the original statement has been made softens the dispute for the speaker in at least four ways. One, it widens interpretive escape routes. A clear phrase can be defended or refuted. A vague substitute can be ended can be endlessly reinterpreted. It reduces accountability. The audience can no longer tell whether the speaker is defending the original claim.
>> Yeah.
>> Or >> what's going on?
>> Okay. Changing the term after the original statement has been made softens the dispute for the speaker in at least four ways. It widens interpretive escape routes. A clear phrase that can be defended or refuted. A vague substitute can be endlessly reinterpreted.
It reduces accountability. The audience can no longer tell whether the speaker is defending the original claim or a safer replacement. It shifts the burden of proof instead of defending the statement made. The speaker pressure um the speaker pressure pressures the critic to chase a moving target.
It protects face at the expense of clarity. The speaker keeps the social benefits of having sounded bold while avoiding the intellectual cost of being pinned down. This is why altering the wording is not a neutral refinement when a dispute is already underway. It is often a tactical retreat disguised as sophistication. The moment a disputant insists that his own original phrase cannot fairly be used as the title or center of the debate, he is admitting one or two things. Either he spoke careless in public and I have made a lot of mistakes speaking quick fast and and in those times I have to retract. I have no problem retracting, right? But if I don't retract, then it could be challenged or he no longer wishes to bear the weight of his own words.
Right? And I and um I think both those things are current. Public speech creates public obligation. A person who makes a claim to the public incurs an obligation to defend it as stated or to co um to correct it publicly.
There is no third respectable option in serious discourse. One may defend the phrase, revise the phrase or retract the phrase. What is not respectable is to preserve the prestige of the original statement while refusing to let critics examine it in the form in which it was delivered. That is the professional rule that should govern any public intellectual teacher, lecturer, priest, apologist or commentator. If the wording was accurate enough to proclaim before an audience, it is accurate enough to be quoted back in a dispute. If it was not accurate enough to be scrutinized, then it is was not responsible enough to be proclaimed. The ethical burden here is simple. Public language creates public accountability. Anyone who speaks careless and then objects to being held to his own phrasing is not being oppressed by unfair framing. He is being confronted by the normal consequences of public speech.
Let me see what the chat has to say.
Okay, they're going back and forth. Easy B and Immortal Dragon.
Harwin entered the discourse.
Uh, is what I am saying acceptable to you? Press one.
I need to know if what I am saying is coherent.
Press one.
Okay, great.
Okay. Why this matters in a serious dispute? A debate title built from a disputant's own wording is not unfair, brother Jabari. It is the fairest possible starting point because it minimizes distortion.
Jabari. The person being challenged is given the opportunity to explain what the phrase means, defend why it was used and clarify whether its terms were s uh intended literally analogically, philosoph philosophically or retically reticorally.
By contrast, allowing the disputant to replace the phrase once criticism arrives gives an asymmetric advantage.
He gets to speak boldly in public like Jabari does then become slippery in a debate. He gets to enjoy the authority of his assertion without accepting the discipline of definition. This is not academic seriousness. This is rhetoric rhetorical opportunism.
A sharper evaluative standard. The proper standard in an academic dispute is this. Quote the claim exactly. Ask whether the terms are clear. Require the speaker to define them. Test the definitions of coherence and consistency. If the speaker changes the terms require uh an explicit public revision. If Jabari does not want to dispute what he says, then it requires a public revision.
You don't give Jabari special pleading because he's the Mayweather, the Himmy, the professor. He does not get special pleading. Anything less rewards evasiveness. Anything softer turns debate into a theater. The audience deserves better than a performance in which words are strong enough to impress but too too fragile to examine.
The scathing truth.
The complaint that an exact debate title is limiting is usually an admission wrapped in self-p protection.
It means the speaker liked the force of the original statement when he was making it to to all of us.
but dislikes the discipline of that same statement when someone else, brother Reggie, is reading it back to him. He wants to he wants to applause a bold language without the burden of bold accountability.
Uh family, this is not scholarship. This is not professionalism.
This is not intellectual courage. It is a familiar habit of weak disputants.
They state things dramatically, enjoy the social capital and then when challenged announce that the words, the very words chosen are suddenly inadequate to express what was meant.
But words are not prison bars when they are self-chosen. They become constraints only when a speaker realizes that precision exposes weakness, ambiguity, or instability of the claim. A serious thinker either defends his statement as stated or publicly corrects it. I've asked him to correct the Tamu, right? He enjoys saying that the Tamu is the white man. He enjoys actually trying to be an expert on pre-dynastic uh uh Egypt. He enjoys that. But when he says that to Tom who is the white man, right, he doesn't want to correct it when pushed to correct the definition of the term, the period usage of the term, what the ancient people of Egypt uh said about the term. And we find out that the tomoo is not the white man actually the tomahoo or the people of the not the pllio but he enjoys saying it over and over and over and just recently like a week ago.
Right? So a person who does a serious thinker either defends a statement as publicly as stated publicly or he corrects it. A person who does neither has forfeited the right to complain about being misunderstood because he is the one sabotaging the conditions of understanding. If he dislikes the dispute frame in his own words, then he should stop saying those words in public or be prepared to wear them under the light of examination. Now, let me tell you something about Ank.
Ankac has never backed down from his usage of science, right? And others who are disputing it has never backed down. Ank has never changed his wordings. The disputants have never changed their wordings.
Right? Um that is a proper academic uh way to go about it until uh there is a discussion in public.
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Please thumb up the video. Uh Hebrews, this helps you Christians.
what I'm saying helps you in your future debates because you're losing a lot of debates or some of the debates that you might be able to win because uh there are a lot of reasons but in some cases uh the fact of the matter is you allow your opponent to muddy the water.
So if I make a mistake on a period uh chronology, a particular time frame, then I have to retract it or if I don't then you could debate me on it. You allow people to muddy the waters. There are cases where you could win, right? But you let it go or it becomes like a Jabari Vince Vanu Dr. events bantto debate, a kumbaya debate where everything is all muddied and it's just an event and nobody really wins. Why?
Because uh it got muddied or the speakers themselves muddied the waters because they were not clear.
uh the Jabari and Richard Carrier debate.
Richard Carrier was precise, but he lost the debate because he didn't tie in and he's a professor PhD. He didn't tie his evidence that his in line with what he was saying. that allowed uh Jabari to win the debate because in uh we have to show sources.
Dr. Richard Carrier wrote on the fact that he is a professor, he's written many books, he's respected and he didn't feel that he had to show his sources. Uh Jabari won on technicality, right?
The opponent own wording and why it tightens the dispute. The opponent the opponent owns formulation as stated verbatim is the natural are real. That's what I am saying. They are not literal and actual. And when I hear people say the netu are not real, I say the netu are real.
I do not believe they are actual and literal.
We are talking about how energy in the universe, right? And we have a name for it. That's a statement.
This wording does not loosen the dispute. It tightens it because it contains the exact conceptual tension that a serious debate should expose. The speaker wants the force of the word real while denying the force of the words actual and literal.
This is precisely why the wording must be disputed as stated. Let me look at the chat.
This is precisely why the wording must be disputed as stated. The formulation is not simple and that is the point. It appears to claim all at once that the Netaru are real, that they are not actual, that they're not literal, and that they are names given to energy as it operates in the universe.
Those are not interchangeable categories. To say something is real but not actual is already philosophical in my opinion unstable unless the speaker supplies a rigorous account of what kind of reality is being claimed. We don't know.
We don't know what type of reality is being claimed in his conversation. So he's not doing it publicly. So I have to push it to a debate.
And there are names given to energy as it operates in the universe. Those are not interchangeable categories. To say something is real but not actual is already philosophical unstable unless the speaker supplies a rigorous account of what kind of reality is being claimed. To add the matter to add that the matter concerns how energy works in the universe suggest a further shift from personal or divine ontology to explanatory metaphor.
The debate therefore has every right to seize the statement in its exact form and demand clarity.
I'm like what's he doing?
That's something that came up in your head. Okay, that's fine. Let's test it.
In fact, this is the strongest argument for refusing softened substitutes. If a critic replaces the speaker's original language with a milder or more polished terminology, the critic may accidentally rescue the speaker from the consequences of his own ambiguity.
The harsher exactness of the original phrase is intellectually useful because it reveals the strain inside the claim.
It shows that the speaker is trying to preserve affirmations and denial in the same breath. Real but not actual, real but not literal, named but perhaps not personal. Affirmed but insulated from ordinary tests of existence.
See, um, while I take a breath, let me just do this.
I'm trying to set up to help us all about how we should debate, preparing for professional debates outside of our community.
Oh, S is here.
Hey, brother sir, my time is up.
>> No, no, you good. I'm just here to give you a warning, man.
>> Yes.
>> If I was you.
>> Yes.
>> If I was you, brother.
>> Yes.
>> I would leave this topic alone until we get in the ring.
If I was you, cuz you doing all of this >> and what if you get up in the ring and Jabari spank your booty, you gonna look crazy. So I would leave this alone >> until we get in the ring. Cuz what you doing is really giving Jabari ammunition. He see where you going. He see what your aim is.
>> And that's what you doing, brother.
>> You seen how he demolished Easy Bands and AND START LAST NIGHT. YOU SEE how he just like whipped through them boys like they was just coming out of the womb.
>> He beat the hell out of them.
>> You going to uh you going to tell him that his witness protection gate is open and he can uh uh he can go out into the wild? Um uh the the difference is that what I'm not trying to do is I'm not trying to have a surprise debate.
So my my uh issues in dispute are really direct.
Uh I'm going to get in this presentation to the Inky part which had nothing to do with you. You're not going to help Inky.
You're not going to help uh uh uh uh um Jabari. You're not going to help anybody. If they want their lunch money taken, you're not to help them. Your job is to put on a professional debate.
>> But If they agree to a title, if they agree to a title, which was not necessarily a words, but there was open end about Christ and if if Enky doesn't clarify it, right? That's on Inky. I knew what Inky was doing, but he should have been a little bit forth uh coming with it.
Now, uh Jabari, go watch the presentation, everybody. I don't know if SEA put it back up.
>> Yeah, it's up. Jabari had nothing to do with he had nothing to say about Inky's points. All he did was complain and cry that it was supposed to be about Jesus.
Inky, if Inky wanted to put Jesus in a in a debate, he would have.
But because he didn't let the people know I am not talking, I am not going to be talking about Jesus. And then the the himnetrappy uh he said that he taped a private conversation between all of you on the phone and he said that Inky uh agreed and we asked the himna wiretapper for the recording.
All of a sudden, he uses the recording, but the himnet wiretapper didn't show the public the truth. Now, I'm not saying you was there. I'm not saying that uh they didn't have a conversation, but we're not clear about what the uh we we just asked for evidence. But since the himnet wiretapper taped the conversation and admitted it without you knowing Setta, >> right? Without Inky knowing it.
That's not fair, bro.
>> Listen, listen, my brother.
I know. I know. Peace. Peace. What's going on? What's going on, son? I know, Reggie, that um >> you would like >> Oh, you looking slick, S. Look at that.
>> Yeah. What What's up with the outfit, man?
>> Yeah.
>> Oh, I'm just getting in the house. I'm just getting back in.
>> Oh, okay.
>> Yeah, I was hanging out.
>> I'm have to fly to New York. I'm about to fly to New York and confiscate the hat.
>> Oh, yeah. I was hanging out earlier, so I just got back in.
>> Man, >> looking like a OG. Yeah, you looking a little cool there.
>> What color shoes you wore?
>> Red.
>> Um, let me see. Let me see what color shoes I got on.
>> I told I called it out.
>> Did you see me? Did you see me call it out?
>> I got on some white slacks, pants.
>> I called you out, bro. When you going to sell my hat, man?
>> Hey, but let me say this though. Um, >> I'm listening. I'll be right back.
I'll give you some more. Go ahead. I can hear what you say.
>> Owen, you need to slow down and be careful.
>> Smoke, man.
>> Be careful what you ask for CUZ EVERYBODY TALK THAT TALK until they get in the ring. I've been doing this for years and we heard everybody talk that smack about what they going to do to Jabari. The people hear it. The people know. They've been hearing the same old talk. What you going to do? How you gonna do it? Tracing down Jabari. And then next thing YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK LIKE YOU YOU SICK AFTER YOU GET SMACKED UP.
YOU KNOW damn well you ain't ready for Jabari. BUT IF YOU WANT THAT SMOKE, I'M GOING TO GIVE IT TO YOU. SO BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK FOR, BROTHER.
>> OKAY. I have my debated him.
>> You get up here and shout out to you.
Thank you for letting me on again. But you get on here talking about what Jabari just did to some Hebrews and a Christian yesterday about ancient Egyptian text and none of them can read the ancient Egyptian text.
>> EXACTLY.
>> What are what are we doing? Put him in a ring with somebody that reads the ancient Egyptian text and studies Africa.
>> Brother, they the one that wanted to smoke. Jabari don't run from nobody. He don't run. But don't use them as the example >> as you Reggie, you saw what he did to them. It don't matter what he did to them.
>> Hey, Harwin. How about what he did to Richard Carrier?
>> Yeah.
>> I would have argued that the same thing to Richard Carrier. That's an easy debate.
Richard Carrier didn't even read the text either.
>> Right. That's what I'm saying.
>> So that's proving my point.
>> But Richard Terry a scholar. Richard Carrier said that >> where's in the text where Horus is when ISIS is fleeing fleeing from persecution.
>> That's a stupid question. Anybody that read the text know that's in the text.
>> What I'm saying is you I'm talking about his method now. He's a scholar. So you can't argue nobody's method. They go at it the way they want to. How? Right.
>> Yeah. But he can't read the text.
>> Who can't? Richard Carrier.
>> Yeah. Richard Carrier didn't even know that there's text of Iset fleeing from set from persecution so she can save HRU when he was being born.
>> Yeah. And wait a minute. That's not his lane.
>> Exactly. So why would you bring that up as an example as if that's a gotcha moment. That don't prove nothing. You proving my point, Elder Sant. He's in a ring with people that don't know the actual topic we talking about.
>> Well, he about to get in there with you.
So I want to learn. So let it let's go.
Cuz I'm not here to argue with you or Reggie. I ain't your adversaries. I just want to get the information.
>> No, no. I'm talking aside, Santan.
>> Oh, okay.
I think he disappeared. He might have went to get out that outfit, but I want to see you get Oh, there you go.
>> Like, like, like Reggie reads the text.
Reggie just posted up something on the screen that's in the text that has no transliterations, no translations. And I read it to him, didn't I, Reggie?
>> Absolutely.
>> So, what are we talking about? Who get in a ring with him? He said that it's a European concept to say physical beings came down here and talked to people inside. I got you on video asking you about this before months ago.
>> Let me ask you a question, Harin.
>> What is that stuff y'all be wearing, right, with the ank and then it got like a man inside, like a dead man inside the What is that all about?
That is a representation of the resurrection in the afterlife. What we call is that is means >> you ain't gonna find that in the middle.
You're not going to find that on the wall.
>> The tweet not in the metal nature.
>> That's something that Dr. York put in there.
>> I mean, we got the right to add whatever we want to add to something. You don't have You don't have no problem with Jabari adding stuff.
>> No, you don't.
>> Jabari be adding stuff that's not in Egypt.
>> You don't have a right to add to the meth. You don't.
>> That's not medu though. What are you talking about?
>> Yes, it is.
>> No, it isn't. It's just a symbol. Jabari asked stuff all the time and you don't say nothing. Jabari get up here. You get up here and question the Hebrew.
Rightfully so. You question the Hebrew Israelites.
>> What is that foolishness? Because >> you go into the text.
>> Let me TELL YOU. LET ME TELL YOU. You know what IS OF COURSE YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS. BUT THEN >> HAVE YOU EVER read the papers of Ana, >> brother? Hold on. Hold on. Then when you go and make the ANK AND THEN YOU PUT A DEAD man in there, NOW YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A CROSS BECAUSE THE CROSS REPRESENTS DEATH. THAT'S WHY YOU GOT JESUS ON THE DAMN CROSS DEAD. BUT THE REPRESENTS LIFE. SO WHEN DR. YORK GOES ALONG AND SAY, "YOU know what? LET ME PUT THIS A DEAD MAN INSIDE OF THE GODDAMN UK SO WE CAN TRY TO COMPETE WITH THE CHRISTIAN." NO, MY BROTHER. THEY COMPETING WITH Kevin >> sir.
>> It's called synretatism. Elder s.
>> That's what I'm saying.
>> Have you ever heard of s? Have you ever heard of d s? Have you ever heard of Donna Kempita? Yes or no?
>> You gonna get beat up. That's what I heard of.
>> That's your opinion. And you good. You got the right to your opinion. Have you ever heard of Donna Kempita? Yes or no?
>> I HEARD OF HO GETTING BEAT UP. THAT'S WHAT I HEARD.
>> You ain't never seen that in your life.
Now you made that up.
>> I'm going to witness it.
You just made that up. Sh. Have you heard of Donna Kavita? Yes or no?
>> I heard a Harwin getting ready to get beat up.
>> You see how he ducking Elder Sant this is hilarious.
>> So let me go ahead and tell you. YOU KNOW DAMN WELL >> DONNA Kevita >> was a native of the Bango and she through synretatism she merged aspects of Catholicism with the actual indigenous Congo beliefs so her people could be cool with it because of the Portuguese. It's called synretatism s that has happened in Africa before. You want me to show you again?
>> No. Watch this. Reggie, do you agree with Dr. Y putting a dead man inside of the symbol?
>> That doesn't mean that. Um, >> well, I need to see it because I'm getting ready to >> THEY COME ON.
>> That's not even our main symbol. That's something from a Christian school.
Listen, he listen. I can't even hear you, Reggie.
>> Can you hear me now?
>> I can't hear Reggie.
>> I can hear everybody.
>> Yeah, >> you can hear me.
>> Yeah, I can hear you. I can hear >> I can hear you in some but I can't hear.
Harwin, can you hear me? Can you hear me?
>> No, he can't. He got to go out and come in.
>> Yeah, >> I'mma go back. I'mma go out and come back in.
>> Yeah. I need Do you have a picture of what they wear? What does it look like?
>> Is is ak um and then they got a dead man on the Reggie.
>> How's he dead, >> man? He's just like Jesus Christ on the cross.
>> Uhhuh.
>> And they made that. I don't know how you never saw that.
No, I I never saw it, but uh I uh I >> I used to get at them ALL THE TIME FOR THAT in in Harlem.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> I'm gonna look it I'm going to look it up. Um it's called, you know what symbol it's called?
>> Um wait till Harwin get back. He'll tell you.
>> Just put type in with man on the with dead man or something like that from Dr. York crew something and it might pop up.
>> Uh symbol Uh, dead man. Is the dead man standing?
>> He's on the brother. Just like Christ is on the cross.
>> Uhhuh. Let me look at this.
Uh.
Um. Wow.
>> Yo, you got to stop this punk stuff, man. You're a Muslim. You always telling Reggie, "Be careful, BROTHER." REGGIE ALREADY SCARED TO DEATH. AND NOW YOU'RE SCARING HER EVEN MORE.
OH, brother lock, be careful. Be careful what you say. Look, look, look at this talk.
>> Let me see what he's saying.
>> Maby, be careful, brother. Be very careful what you say. Conversation moving forward, brother.
WHAT THE NOW YOU SCARED OF DR. YOG.
The [ __ ] IS GOING ON WITH L? MAN, >> you got to stop this, brother. You really do got to stop this, man.
>> You know what? What I'm I don't understand. Well, what the part that I don't understand is that >> I scared to teach the truth.
>> Uh I want to I I what it is is what I'm impeaching why um the debate why you were correct by saying that the nets are real, but they're not literal because it came out of his mouth. And why is he complaining about he wants to add something new?
>> No. See, you ain't getting what he's saying. All you got to do sit with him and talk.
>> No, I'm not I'm not doing anything with him that's not public. So if he wants to have a converie, >> I'm not doing it.
>> Listen.
>> I'm not doing No. No. Because something can't be public, man.
>> No. because it's just a statement ABOUT WHAT THE DEBATE IS.
>> IF YOU DISAGREE WITH IT, YOU DISAGREE WITH IT. BUT YOU DON'T NEED TO NEGOTIATE THE TITLE IN PUBLIC.
>> HE'S STILL saying he agreed with it.
>> Poll of the day.
>> He's still saying >> talking about the wording, Reggie. He talking.
>> He's still saying, >> Reggie, get on the phone with us AND LET'S TALK.
GOT ON THE PHONE WITH INKY AND BECAUSE OF THAT Inky lost a debate. I'm not getting on the phone with no wire tapping him tapping.
>> Who is who is putting this nonsense in your head, brother Lot? Come on, bro.
>> Stop this, man. Even you know what people already said? I bet you Reggie gonna be the one to run from the debate.
SO COME ON, BROTHER. NO IS when I get the money when I get the money in my hand. Brother Reggie is not running from no debate.
>> So when is I ever run? So San to the public. I think Sanetta knows me. I stood up. I stood up with I stood up to the moors. I didn't flinch. I did three months of pro promotion for that debate, right? and something happened and I really didn't complain too much to my brother Sanetta but uh it so because of that because of that happened and some other things I'm not playing all of you instigators in the chat trying to convince Reggie to do something I'll see you tomorrow I'm not blocking you but I'll see you tomorrow you on a 24hour [ __ ] dismission >> and that goes to his First his first.
>> Yeah, >> cuz he IN THERE TALKING ABOUT THAT'S RIGHT, REGGIE. Don't let nobody make YOU DO MAN, SHUT YOUR ASS UP.
>> Trying to get the goddamn debate going.
And you know, all you agitators don't know what THE HELL YOU BE talking about.
>> Uh uh there's nothing that I'm doing wrong. He made the statement. He made the statement. He's accountable to the public for the statement.
>> What you owe him? What you owe him is just a listener. See what he gonna say.
YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT HE GONNA SAY YET.
>> UH, propose it to me and send it to me in a goddamn email.
>> No, >> I don't want to talk to him.
>> SEE, REGGIE, LISTEN.
>> I DON'T WANT TO TALK.
HE'S NOT my friend, >> right? He is not truthful.
RIGHT? LIKE HE WENT ON AND HE ATTACKED MY CREDENTIALS WITH A COMPUTER. LIKE I GOT COMPUTER SCIENCE DEGREE AND I HELP TEACH HIS PROFESSOR.
BUT THEN WHEN I SAY SOMETHING ABOUT HIS TEACHERS, HE GOES, "OH, OH, I'M DOING SOMETHING WRONG." I WANT TO KNOW WHAT HIS TEACHERS SAY, WHAT TAUGHT HIM. NOW, you have a right to promote the debate, and I am not going to interfere with you promoting the debate, but I am not going to let you uh reduce my my credibility.
>> That's nobody nobody is doing that, bro.
So, so, >> so you saying, so you're saying that he don't have a right for y'all TWO TO TALK ABOUT THE um the goddamn AND GUESS WHAT?
GUESS WHAT I'LL DO? GUESS WHAT I'LL DO FOR IT, REGGIE? I will record it. I will record it where we all know we're being recorded now in THE BACK CHAT. THAT WAY, IT'LL BE ON FILE. IT'LL BE ON RECORD, what y'all agreed to and everything.
>> Send me I don't want to talk to him.
send me his proposal. All you did was And I'm trying to protect you, but you don't want to be protected. He said that we didn't agree that we did not agree on the on on the on the debate. You want ME TO PLAY IT FOR YOU? I'LL PLAY IT FOR YOU.
>> Play it for me.
>> Play it for me.
>> I I'll play it for you. This is what caused you to do the debate title. Where is it? Um, Jabari lied.
>> You got to bookmark.
>> Jabari lied.
>> That's right. That's how you keep up with stuff. You got to bookmark it.
>> Okay. So, I'm a I'm a book I uh uh here it goes because you you you where is it at? Share screen. Here it goes. Add this to stage and play it. Here you go, sir.
Um, why isn't it playing? Here you go.
>> Is is not as clear as it may.
>> Wait, can you hear that?
>> Can everybody hear?
>> Yeah.
>> Yep, I can hear it.
>> Okay, you hear the argu a much time with his mother.
>> Of course I will argue. Of course I will argue that the netu are real. I will not argue that the netu are literal and so that is where the the um the contest is. It's about whether the net rule are literal and so that is where the debate must be.
>> What we agree on topic?
>> Okay.
>> We but but when you said that you would never argue with something's real, you said it out your mouth. So, and I >> I said I would never I said I would never argue a topic a debate topic about whether it's real. That's what I just said.
>> You would say it.
>> You will you will say it. But you will say it but not but but not debate it.
>> Is he breaking up on my end or is that me breaking up?
>> No. No. That's probably you breaking up.
We hear him. Good.
>> I'm debating what you said. I um real >> but their their forces and their forces is breaking up on my end. Hold on one second. Hold. Let me see if I can get to a a slightly better place.
>> And brother Reggie, he never said they were not real. Just relax.
>> No, it's even worse.
>> Hello. Yes. Go ahead, Jabari.
No, I'm not hearing clearly. Uh, can you call me back? Call me back. I'll >> call you right back.
>> Uh, uh, >> yo, I don't need nobody else to talk but just Reggie and Jabari.
>> Yeah. Uh, I know what he said.
>> Hey, do you think I'm hallucinated?
>> Peace. I'm here.
>> All right. You sound better right now. It does.
>> All right. Go ahead.
>> Go ahead.
>> He was breaking down something. Go ahead. Right. Do you hear me?
>> Yes, I hear you.
>> I can hear you. All right. Go ahead, Reggie.
>> But the fact of the matter is it was Jabari that was talking, not Reggie. I was listening.
>> No, no. In the time you were talking, I didn't hear you clearly. Maybe you didn't realize I wasn't able to hear you. I said, "I'm not able to hear you."
>> So, we have uh we have a debate topic, right? We both agree that the NES are real. You believe that they are not literal and that they're forces and energies. I disagree with that. So that's a debate topic. So >> it sound it sounds like we have a good debate topic. Sure. Now we can play around with some of the wording but the the core of it is there and that's really good. We have something we can work with.
>> Okay. So for a flyer Sanetta, we have something to work with. So you and I >> So that's WHAT HE'S TELLING YOU NOW. WE HAVE SOMETHING TO WORK WITH. I agree with the title, but we have something TO WORK WITH. THAT'S ALL HE WAS SAYING YESTERDAY. HE SAID, >> I mean, so why did you make the flyer?
So why did you make the flyer?
>> Just to get it out THERE TO START THE >> OKAY, FINE. I think I don't want He said, Reggie, hold on. He said, but we could work with the title. We could work around work around it. He said that and that's all he' been saying all day yesterday. Send me an email what his proposal is. I don't want to talk to him.
>> So you think I'm going to be sending you a message and then you send me back something to give him and then he brother, stop it. We men. WE TALK. WE NOT NO [ __ ] [ __ ] up here, bro. We men. WE TALK LIKE MEN, BROTHER. GET YOUR ASS ON THE PHONE, REGGIE, AND TALK LIKE A DAMN MAN. and Jabari DO THE SAME GODDAMN THING.
>> I JUST TALKED TO HIM. Now I don't want to talk to his double speaking wording.
I refuse to.
>> You don't even know what he's going to say.
>> DO YOU WANT THE DEBATE?
>> Ask the people if they want it.
>> No. Do you want the debate?
>> Yes.
>> Okay, fine. So, um, you're booking me, right?
>> Yes. But I'm not going to be the middleman BETWEEN Y'ALL TWO.
BOTH WORK THE DEBATE OUT LIKE IT'S ALWAYS BEEN LIKE IT'S ALWAYS BEEN. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN AGREED ON BOTH SIDES, BROTHER.
>> OKAY, then get him. You tell me when you get him on YouTube and we will just talk about uh uh uh changing but on a flyer.
It's really simple. He said it to him.
He said what he had to say. I'm challenging on what he says. Now, if he wants to retract what he has says, then he should goddamn retract it.
>> So, how listen to what he say?
>> I'm debating. NO, NO. I LISTEN TO WHAT HE SAY. I TRANSCRIBE WHAT HE SAY. SO, if the himnature, HE wants to retract what he gave to the public, right? Then he can retract it. And then when HE RETRACTS IT, I DECIDE if I want to debate him based on his retraction.
Your brother Lou wants something to say, man. What's up, L?
>> What's happening is you're not in the middle, son. Need you're actually on Jabari's side. And that's what why I didn't do I'm not on Jabari's side. I know it looks like that. I'm on the right side.
And the right side is both of you have to agree to the debate. And I said that it will be recorded for the record. I will even send you a copy of the goddamn recording or or you can get the recording because it's GOING TO BE IN THE BACK CHAT.
>> So you will be able to get IT WHEN YOU SEE IT all the time. You got the keys to the chat.
>> You've done a bunch of shows on what somebody has said about you right from their mouth.
You didn't let them change it unless they apologized. Now, as a man, you want me to >> They never asked me to change it. And if they did, I would have changed it just to so we can get it in.
>> Look at Sanetta. Y'all look at Sanetta's face, boy. Look at Sanetta. Sanetta send he could look. You just tell me when.
put it on YouTube if he wants to run, change, soften, right? Make himself >> don't want to change. He don't want to change. He just wants >> Did he say the nets are real but not literal?
>> And he said he still STAND ON IT. WHY ARE YOU REGGIE?
>> That's the debate. Look, Muffin is saying, "Why am I stressing you out?"
No, I'm not going to let him do what he did to Inky. Have some private conversation. Nothing to Inky, bro. He ain't do a damn thing to Inky, bro. Inky flim flammed everybody. He played everybody. And I'm quite sure I thought I thought we played the video where you seen it.
>> NO, WE PLAYED RECORDING.
>> I ASKED, HOLD ON. I ASKED INKY SPECIFICALLY and we played it. I said, Inky, are you talking about THE JESUS OF THE BIBLE? AND WHAT HE SAID? YES. HE SAID YES. HE SAID, >> "WHY KEEP MISSING THAT? WHY Y'ALL KEEP MISSING THAT SHIT?"
>> He's saying that Osiris is where they got the Jesus of the Bible from. You keep MISSING THAT.
>> SAY NONE OF THAT [ __ ] I'M TALKING ABOUT >> HE SAID IN THE DEBATE.
>> YEAH, THAT'S IN THE DEBATE. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE TOPIC. WHEN WE WAS TALKING ABOUT GETTING THE TITLE READY, HE SAID, "I AM TALKING ABOUT THE JESUS OF THE BIBLE." THAT'S WHAT HE SAID WHEN I ASKED HIM. I said, >> "Are you talking about ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE JESUS OF THE BIBLE?" AND HE SAID YES.
So come on, man.
>> Okay. Well, I'm not I'm not doing Look look. You may not know or respect Sirius B, but he's saying to be honest, the debate topic on the fly is pretty good.
You can work with that, Reggie. I can work with that. Jabari can't work with that.
You made the flyer based on what you heard, right? And that's what you did.
Now what does he want to add and contract? Okay, he can we had a conversation. He agreed tentivefully. So I need his proposal. I if uh if if he doesn't change anything that he says or muddy the waters, right? Fine. It don't have to be long. Just send me an email with his proposals.
That's all.
>> I'm not sending you nothing, man.
I'm not sending nothing. You gonna get on the phone like a man and you gonna talk to the brother and y'all gonna work out the title. That's all Jabari wants.
He still said >> what the dude wants.
>> LOOK, HE STILL >> GOTA BE ABOUT HIM, BRO. WHY CAN'T THE TRUTH COMING?
>> IT IS ABOUT HIM. IT IS ABOUT HIM right now. He said that I ain't got NO PROBLEM WITH THE TITLE. LET'S JUST TWEAK IT A LITTLE BIT. THAT'S ALL HE SAID. AND YOU DON'T even lied on the hill. He got up here and lied on the Metanet. Lied on Kimid, right? He lied. Now he wants to fix it. He lied energy and and >> he lied. He lied what he was saying about the text yesterday, son.
>> He ain't lied.
>> He lied on the medicine.
>> You never read the text. How would you know if he lying or not?
>> How would you know?
>> Cuz I read it. I just read it. Put Listen, Reggie just put me on the spot and asked me to read something. It had no transliterations and no translations.
Reggie, am I telling the truth?
Absolutely.
>> So what we talking about, sir?
>> I put it up for the audience. Nobody said that Harwin was wrong and it had something to do directly with the debate.
>> Y'all really >> But anyway, come on, man. Friday, man.
>> Here it is, Harwin. Now y'all make Yeah, now y'all bringing it out now. You bringing it out now, Harin.
>> I brought it out. I never was half step.
>> Harin, you read the metal net.
>> What are we doing?
>> Do you read the metal net?
>> What are we doing, sir? Reggie, did I not just read the Would you not witness to me just reading it, Reggie? And >> you was just reciting what you what you seen on >> No, I didn't. I didn't have I didn't have I didn't have no knowledge of what he was going to post. I didn't know that he was even.
>> It was random.
>> He written on the fly.
>> Watch this. Watch this. Be quiet for a minute. Watch this. Harwin, your great great great great great grandmother is talking to her best friend or her sister and they coming up with a plan.
They talking about what this mean and what that mean. They are no longer here thousands of years later. Who the hell is going to come along and tell you what the hell they MEANT TO SAY? WHO WHO CAN DO THAT?
that really means according to what you read in the middle.
>> I do my best.
>> I do my best. I'm I'm a student like everybody else. Just like just like you you never asked Jabari to do that, though. But it's cool. I'll take that.
I'm behind enemy lines. But guess what?
I like that, sir. That's cool with me.
But how to do that is to go to the Africans and see WHAT THE AFRICANS SAY ABOUT IT. S. WHAT ARE WE DOING? YOU GO TO THE AFRICAN LANGUAGES. DR. IGGY TOLD YOU I'M GOING to the source of the sources. Well, guess what? I'MMA GO TO THE SOURCE OF THE SOURCE of the sources TO SEE WHAT MY GREAT GREAT GREAT GRANDMAMA SAID ABOUT WHAT THE EGYPTIANS WAS talking about. SIMPLE. Y'ALL GET UP HERE TALKING ABOUT THE PYGMIES THAT the pygmies that this >> You know why it's not simple? Because the goddamn so-called Africans don't even know what it is. The hell are you talking about? doesn't even know what it is.
>> Is still Filibinger African? Yes or no?
>> They don't know. He's going by what they tell him.
>> Is is Dr. Theo Phil? No, he not. He going by his own research and research he learned from them and he's using banto dialects to prove these words are in Africa. So who he get that from?
>> He going by what they taught, right?
>> No, he speak he speaks it. He's a congalles.
>> I'm resurrecting Professor Walter Williams. I'm down with the elder. Rest in peace, Professor Walter Williams.
Don't nobody know what the real Metanet was talking about.
>> SO WHY YOU DIDN'T SAY THAT TO JABARI YESTERDAY when he said what he was saying yesterday?
>> Why he could hear me now? He hear it.
>> I don't care.
>> BUT YOU DIDN'T SAY THAT YESTERDAY, SON.
Reie just said Jabari was lying yesterday. You said no, he didn't.
>> I'm saying it today.
>> Oh.
>> Oh, now you in the corner. See, this is when it get real sticky. THIS IS THIS IS GOING TO GET REAL STICKY.
LOOK AT look at God. Look at God.
S if you going to get up here and question the Hebrew Israelite brothers about their Bible and you be DOING YOU BE BANGING ON THEM. YOU GOING TO THEIR TEXT. You going to show contradictions.
You do etc etc. You be GOING IN. SO WHY DON'T YOU DO THAT WITH JABARI when it comes to the Egyptian text. Let's go.
Let's hear.
>> Because Jabari is the champ. HE'S THE FLOYD MAYWEATHER.
>> OH MY GOD.
OKAY. SO, the last time I decided not to do the debate, you did you're starting to do the same thing.
>> You ran last time. You ran last time.
The people already accused you of being the first one getting ready to run again.
>> You don't run. Let's not do that.
>> Why? Why? Why? Because you don't want to talk to Jabari.
>> No, I want him to send me Send me an email. Send me an email with his proposal. You can't send him an email.
>> I uh you give me his email, I'll send him an email.
>> Jabari oaz at hotmail.com.
>> Brother Jabari Oazi don't answer no emails. I emailed him over probably about a week ago. I still ain't got a reply.
>> But that's you, brother. That's you.
>> Oh, so I'm a nobody. I got you. SO WE GONNA PUT JABARI VERSUS THE NOBODY. HE GOING TO GET BODIED BY NOBODY. Fine with me.
>> Hey, why won't let Harin take the debate?
Let Harin step in if Reggie don't want to do it.
>> Okay. So, sevenar uh uh I'm going to put something.
>> Mari Oas at hotmail.com.
>> Okay. Uh 7s. Um check this out. Now you you you you call me a runner. You said several things in the chat, right? So now uh I don't have any respect for you.
>> Come on, man. Don't do that, man.
>> No, no, no, no, no. Because I'm not talking about him. So I don't have no respect for you. Please do not try to communicate with me. Uh >> come on.
>> Right. Don't I No. I I That's the way I'm I'm I'm giving it up. Right. You're a chatty patty.
>> The toughest environment, Reggie. Come on.
>> It is. And I'm being real tough. I don't have nothing to do with the dude. So seven, forget me. Don't bring me up. But I guarantee you, right? No, I don't need to say no more to you. Done.
>> Uh, come on.
>> Just let me know when I can speak.
>> Go ahead and speak, brother L.
>> First and foremost, as always, peace and blessings to everybody on the channel as well as your families as well as in the chat.
I just had this conversation a day ago, maybe two days ago, and I informed Reggie and I he got and I'm going to just let him be known for what it is.
When I explained on this show when I said that I was going to be neutral and it was for a reason, Reggie, did I or did I not say the reason is going to be what just happened just now?
>> I don't know why you said that. You said that in a different conversation. You being neutral, that's your point of view. I respect that. Right. So then the the issue is if you're going to be neutral, just be neutral. And you my brother, but >> um they listen this is this is I don't I I stepped out before because I felt it was rigged. the if the dude the himna tepee of metaphors if he made a statement to the public he should defend it that's how I'm giving it up defend it like you said it reie what I'm saying is this and I want to be clear when I say this I don't want to be used as a porn the same way I was somewhat trying to be used as a porn for Sanetta in the last debate that was happening. I'm not going to let you stay neutral. This is not really about you. You decide to stay neutral. So stay neutral. It's not about nobody using you as a pawn. You said that you going to be neutral. Stay neutral.
>> No problem. Stand on your 10 toes, man.
Squabble. Get it what it is. Eat. Get in and eat. Stand on 10 toes and eat.
Bad advice. Bad advice FROM BROTHER LA.
BAD ADVICE from a Muslim. Bad advice.
Well, sir. Uh you um I'll text you for his email. I'll ask him for his proposal and I'll decide if he but if he changes anything that he said right because he said it to the public then I'll just respond okay me and you we cool right me and you we cool but I am uh trying to uh how can I say protect the uh uh the respectability of your platform right I I really Yeah, I I I really am. Right. If it's going to be an academic debate, if the dude said it, then he should stand up and uh say it. That's all. But it ain't nothing to do with me and you, right? It's a nice >> We cool. We cool. But I'm not gonna um my whole thing is just real simple. I think everybody, >> you know, Reggie, um >> what's up? You You're really making the Christians and the Hebrews proud. You know that?
>> Why?
>> You are. Trust me. Look at the comments.
All you got to do is read the comments.
Since when Easy Bands talk good about you? Since when? Only because he going against Jabari. But we Let's not focus on that. YOU DEFLECTING S. BUT YOU DEFLECTING though cuz you I asked you a legit question. I say S. You get on here and you do it eloquently like no elder no one of the other elders in the in the community do. Get up here and talk to the Christians and Hebrews. You go back and forth with them headtohead, toeto toe and you be having them in a corner with their own Bible. But it's ironic that you don't do that with the same thing with Jabari with the Egyptian text. And then you would say that he didn't lie. He didn't say nothing wrong.
And then today you would say don't nobody know nothing in the Egyptian text. So don't nobody know nothing that mean everything Jabari is saying is hogwash. What we doing?
I reject your deposit, brother.
I reject your deposit, brother. That's all I'mma say.
You know, sound like y'all doing a lot of crying up in here, man. Y'all doing a lot of goddamn boohooing.
Jabari, man. Jabari kicking ass. Simple as that. He kicking ass. And y'all just >> Hey, brother L. Do you see this? Brother L.
Yeah, man.
I doing a lot of crime.
>> Do I read the little necklace? Not >> ask a question. Harin, what does the symbol look like uh that the new wabians wear?
>> Yeah, with the with the and the man inside. What's the name of that?
>> That's not the main symbol we wear. The symbol we wear the >> name of it though. That's all we asking.
I'm trying to see it. Um Well, >> I don't Hold on. Give me a second.
>> Yeah.
I used to tear the new wabian's ass up about that.
>> Well, you got me bet if you think I'm them.
>> And they ran just like the Hebrews. I remember we was in Brooklyn at the festival and I seen the new wabian real talk. I seen the new wabians all on the side and I went over there on with my camera and they all started saying, "Move, don't talk. Don't talk to them.
I said I COULDN'T BELIEVE THAT [ __ ] MAN. I'm like, "God." AND THEN THE DOOR I SAID, "YO, WHAT'S UP, MAN? Y don't come on. I can't get no interview." He said, "Nah, man. You be talking about Dr. York. You be talking about our teacher."
I said, "OH, MAN. Y'ALL [ __ ] WEAK. Y weak ass [ __ ] man."
But the only one that had courage and heart was the son of Dr. York. I got to give it to him.
>> What about Huie Ka? Whoa. Who car? He had a lot of courage. He was the first one to come up to us.
>> Who car? Oh yeah. Yeah. Rest in peace, man. Rest in peace to Huie was our friend.
>> Yeah. I was looking I was looking at him the other day. I was watching this video the other day. I took him down there to get initiated and he went at the Hebrews hard body. HE AIN'T GO AT TORIAK AND THEM. YOU KNOW WHO HE WENT AT, REGGIE?
>> WHO?
>> He went at Hasha, GENERAL HASH and them when they was in the middle of the block.
>> I took him over there and he was going at the Hebrews, bro.
>> Man, that video. Hasham said that I was in their spot and they came over. His crew came over and they came over. I said, "I'm not giving up the spot." Yo, they used their pit bulls. Yo, they used their pit bulls on me, bro.
>> Yo, they like, "Yo, you giving up this spot, man. They they had their pit balls pointed at me, man.
>> Hell no.
>> I had to move." Yo, I want to thank Brendan Sims and I I want to thank Cam Cam. I definitely want to thank Aman Ra McCarthy, right? Uh for uh supporting me. So, >> hey yo, um Seven Assault is home team, Reggie. Yeah, I don't have to agree.
Just like you ain't got to agree with him.
>> Who? Who you talking about?
>> Seven ass. He's H. He team.
>> Who's that?
>> The one you said you ain't talking to no more.
>> I don't know him.
>> Seven ass man. You know him. What you playing?
>> No, I don't know him. I don't know him no more.
Come on, man.
I don't know him no more.
>> Re than roy.
>> Yeah, I don't know.
But I know you you my dude. Even though I I'm disagreeing with you.
>> You know how many times that um seven ass banged on me when he went against me? It's all good. Oh, I GOT MY MAN JABARI IN THE CHAT. HEY, JABARI, JUST PUT IN THE CHAT, do you want to have a 10m minute phone call later on the day?
Me, you, and brother Reggie. Yes or no?
Um, Jabari, me, you, and brother Reggie, can we have a phone call tonight?
>> Why not have it on Why not have him on the panel? Just jump on and ask the question on the panel that way. No, yesterday he said he don't want to deal with it publicly. You forgot.
>> Yeah, that they don't want to do it.
>> They don't want to deal with it publicly. He want to do all this behind the scene. And I agree with him. I agree.
>> That's how it's supposed to be.
>> Yeah.
>> I understand.
>> Yeah. They was on there yesterday and they was saying all that, man.
>> All right. I'm just waiting for Harwin's um picture.
Uh, I had put it up that y'all was talking. Hold up.
Uh, uh, I guess nobody supporting Brother Reggie for his um, uh, for his Okay, let me see.
>> You got it.
>> Where's it that man?
>> Where is it that man?
>> My bad. I was on mute. S talk about something from a Christian school, man.
That's not That's not a thing.
>> No, I didn't see that, man. What did that >> Yeah, I don't That's not our real That's not our main symbol. He tripping, but he can have that. He He needs something to argue with, that's all.
>> But tell him tell him to go get his mans to come up here.
>> What is that man? [ __ ] >> No, I'm just Owen. I just asked him that and that's not going to happen.
>> What?
Jabari's notar.
>> I see Jabari in the back.
There you go.
>> There you go, my brother.
>> I really am uh surprised by our brother Reggie's behavior.
I'M SURPRISED.
I've done a lot of debates on Son Eda's channel and every single time the two combatants get together and they discuss the title of the debate. It's not controversial thing. It's not a it's not an adversarial thing. It is simply the administrative stuff that has to happen before a good debate occurs. when Sonnet called me and asked me whether I would have a debate and we talked a little bit about it. When he called me and I was at my mother's home, I said, "I really do think we have the idea of this debate down pat. Let's just work on the title."
And that that request is should not be considered an unusual request. I've done >> I can't even count the number of debates I've done on Sonet's channel. It's It's normal. It's normal.
But what actually happened is Reggie spoke to Sonnet, devised a title, made a flyer, and came into a discussion that had nothing to do with that debate.
>> Is that Is that a lie?
>> And so >> is that a lie? Then I just sit with you and deise a title.
>> Really confused >> why that happened.
>> And it doesn't have to be difficult or we don't we don't have to be angry about it.
>> Let's No, we don't. But you're a liar.
>> A conversation. And you know the reality is I'm a man of a certain age. Like most of the men that are on this on this panel are a man of a certain age. When I grew up, if someone called you a liar, it was time to shoot the fifth. I'm not that person anymore, right? I'm not. But the people who use that word understand that it is not appropriate. It is possible for people to see things from different perspectives. It is possible for people to disagree.
>> You're lying. And for so when you use that kind of terminology, when you try to behave that way, >> the histrionics here are bizarre.
>> It's bizarre. It's not manly. This is not how our men are supposed to behave.
>> You know about being manly?
>> I'm asking about something.
>> Wait, you know about being manly?
>> Sensitive. Really simple.
>> Wait, wait. You know about being manly?
>> Talk about the title. Why is that a problem? Why is this so hard?
>> I DIDN'T DEVISE THE TOPIC with you understand why this is so hard. I even said when I was >> when I was called I said we just need to work on the title. It's I Reggie is making it seem like it's an unusual request.
It's not an unusual request. When people actually have a debate, they discuss what the topic is. Now I'm hearing I'm gonna ask for his email for a um his side of what he wants on the debate.
Give me his email. What is that suggestion?
>> And Reggie is acting like he doesn't have my number. I've known Reggie longer than I've known Sonnet. Reggie was in my house before Sonnet was.
I've known Reggie for a long time, y'all. Probably more than 30 some odd years. I don't know why he's behaving this way. It is perplexing to me.
It's perplexing.
Why are we doing this?
We can't talk about a title of a debate.
If we can't even talk about the title of the debate, can we have a respectful scholarly debate?
And why is it that if I see something different than you, I must be a liar?
>> It is possible for us everybody to agree conversation.
>> Why? Why?
>> I told everybody. You want me to show it again?
>> I don't even know.
>> The flyer I did not secretly share with Shaetta.
>> I don't even know. I don't even know how this is happening. It's confusing to me. And when I said let's just talk about it offline yesterday, we could have just talked about it. Why are we doing this? Why is this happening?
>> Let me say this real quick, y'all. For both brother Reggie and Jabari, guess what? Everything is dead now. Let's move forward from here. Let's talk about the debate. Let's talk about the title. And that's all. We don't need to talk about what happened yesterday, what you SAID THIS DAY, NONE OF THAT. CUZ all that's going to do is keep us going back and forth. So, let's talk about the title, Reggie. LIKE, MEN, BOTH OF Y'ALL, let's do this, man.
So, are you having a problem? I never had a problem doing that. I suggested that when you called me.
>> Yep. I know. Had never HAD A PROBLEM.
IT'S ALWAYS HOW IT HAPPENS.
It's always how it happens. From the first debate I ever did on your channel to the most recent debate I've done on your channel.
>> I don't understand why this is so difficult.
>> Okay. So, let me talk. Can I talk to you?
>> Yeah. Just don't bring up no old stuff, right?
>> No. Why you interfering? I want to talk to him like a man. You said that me and Shana me together. Can you go with the you >> No, wait. No, no, no, no. You said he said I want to talk to him like a man.
>> He said to the public that me and San got together to do a one-sided flyer.
>> I told him that you I called you and I said, "What is the topic, Reggie?" And you gave me the topic. You said, "This is what the topic is." Remember? And then >> and I wrote that down. Yeah. On the phone.
>> Wait, you weren't in that conversation.
>> What you mean?
>> You conversation when I'm talking to Shetta.
>> No, I'm talking about me AND YOU BY OURSELF. ME AND YOU BY OURSELF. I CALLED YOU remember because I wanted TO DO A FLYER JUST TO GET IT OUT THERE. And I said, Reggie, what is the topic again?
WHAT WHAT Y'ALL TALKING ABOUT?
>> I SAID WE agreed with tentatively, >> right? And that's what real the next.
>> SO I TOLD JABARI THAT JABARI AIN'T JUST MAKING THAT UP. HE'S NOT LYING, REGGIE.
I TOLD HIM THAT.
>> OKAY. WAIT. So then why didn't you call Jabari?
>> Because I TRIED TO CALL JABARI. JABARI BE BUSY A LOT, BROTHER. HE HE was He be grading his students. He be He'll get back TO ME WHEN HE GOT THE TIME, LIKE WHEN THEY GO ON BREAK. BUT THAT'S WHY I CALLED YOU. See what I'm saying?
>> Hey, what did I do wrong?
What? What did I tell you that was wrong?
>> I DON'T THINK YOU DID ANYTHING WRONG. I don't think you did nothing wrong. All Jabarian saying he want to have a say so OVER THE TITLE SO Y'ALL BOTH CAN AGREE.
THAT'S ALL HE'S SAYING. TWEAKING it a LITTLE BIT. HE AIN'T GOT NO PROBLEM WITH SAYING THE THEY NOT LITERAL. HE AIN'T GOT A PROBLEM saying that.
>> He told the flyer is okay except for the except for the tweaking.
>> Yes, he want to tweak it a little bit.
>> There's no money on the flyer. Right.
There's no date. There's no date. I just wanted to get a flyer.
>> Roman I was saying that we had a conversation which I played for you that where he said okay it's tentively that allowed you to draft a flyer.
So nobody what what did I do that's wrong? I didn't have no >> Let me tell you something resi. When I called Jabari and we was on the phone, Jabari was was having um issues talking with his mother. He was with his mother.
So, YOU KNOW, A BROTHER PROBABLY GONNA SAY SOMETHING ANYWAY JUST TO GET back to doing what he supposed to do. He said that he was with his mother, bro. Okay.
So, you called me and he said and you asked me what we decided on tentively and I gave that to you. What What did I do wrong? You ain't do nothing wrong.
>> Okay, fair.
>> That's not what you did wrong. You refuse to have a conversation with him over the flyer right now. Over the over the >> No, I'm willing to do it in public.
>> Wrong.
>> I'm willing to do it in public. What's wrong with that?
>> All right. I don't know. Jabari is a >> reason why we can't have a conversation.
Why?
>> Yeah, we are. We having a conversation right now.
>> Why does it have to be in front of everyone? What What What's GOING ON?
WHY?
IS GOING TO BE in front of everybody.
It's no trickery.
>> That's a debate, >> right? It's no trickery. So, why can't we just say, "What do you want to add to the flyer?"
Or, "What do you want to subtract?"
>> Reggie, >> go on. Jabari, it's not that hard.
You're a professional.
>> What I said to you is that I want to have a conversation offline about the topic. You're making this bigger than it was. You're I don't know what you're making it bigger than it was. It was simple. And even yesterday when you came on, I said I had an issue with two words in the whole flyer. What's the two words?
>> You didn't hear me say it like eight times.
Everyone in the chat can tell you what the two words were.
>> But not. But not.
>> Simple. Yeah, it's simple. I'M NOT >> BUT NOT BUT BUT NOT IS NOT. It says the nets are literal. I mean, the letters are real, right? Oh, >> but not.
>> But okay, but not but okay. But not literal. So, you're right about that.
So, what do you want to change?
>> Because you said the but not is there.
Listen, taking a comment I made while having an entire discussion and saying that that's the title for the debate is not really the best way to do it. No, I decided that I wanted to debate you based on the inaccuracies of what you said.
>> I I don't think that we have a I don't think we're disagreeing on what we're actually debating on.
>> Okay. So, wait. I'mma sit back.
>> But wait, listen.
>> What do you What do you want to add, Jabari?
>> Wait, hold on. Hold on.
>> Let's Let's I'm I'm glad that we're taking the temperature down because there's no need for us to argue about this.
>> Simple. What do you want to add? What do you want?
>> Why is it that you are saying that we cannot have a f? Usually the way it's done is that either the two opponents talk to each other without soneter or sometimes sonneter's on the phone. It's not a problem.
>> I debated you several times. We didn't go through that BS.
>> Are you said we did actually go through that process?
>> No, we did not.
>> We did.
>> No, I I attacked the comedics. You you decided that you wanted to defend them.
We didn't go through. No, >> that that wasn't a debate. You did a presentation. I did a presentation >> when we actually had a discussion with each other. A debate.
>> Jabari, it's not that simple. I mean, it's not that complex. Jabari, what do you want to say?
>> I don't think it is complex.
>> What do you want to change?
>> It is, but I don't understand. Now, it's sounding like you're saying that we can't even HAVE A CONVERSATION.
>> WE ARE HAVING A CONVERSATION, but it doesn't need to be done here.
>> Why not? Tell us why not. Because the the all of the dynamics of the debate should be discussed and not have everyone in it. We should talk about how long each round is.
>> No, we don't need >> talk about what the writing is going to be. That's what this is always how we do.
>> No, no, we are just for the purposes of the flyer.
We don't need to talk about all of that.
All we need to do is basically talk about is there give me a suggestion.
Give me Reggie, wait. Are you that are do have you gotten to the point where you hate me so much that we can't even be on the phone call?
>> Is that what's happened?
>> No. I want to I want to do with I want to have a conversation in public about the title of the debate and listen.
>> Okay. I'mma get off the phone right now.
I'mma get you call me. You call me with Jabari right now. Hold on. Hold on. No, no, no, no, no. Hold on a second. Hold on a second. NO, NO. BECAUSE SEE, THIS IS BS. YOU CALL ME RIGHT NOW. WE SPENT TOO MUCH TIME.
>> YOU CALL ME right now. We have this conversation.
>> What is happening?
Why aren't calm down?
What? Listen, now he's making it seem like, well, it's not a big deal, but why did you have this whole conversation in public? We You know what, Reggie? We haven't even talked about money yet.
All of that does not need to be in public. All of it. It needs to be a conversation that we have with Sanetta privately.
All of it.
>> Sure. Sure.
>> It's not just the title.
>> Sure.
>> It's like the administrative stuff that happens.
>> Hold on a second. Hold on. Hold on one second. Hold one second.
>> This is This is the administrative stuff that happens before the debate.
That's what happens. And you and I have done this before. You and I have not done a paid debate before.
But you and I have done this before. All of the administrative stuff. Are we agreeing on what the title is? How long are the rounds? How many rounds are there? What What do we think about? We were saying we were going to do this in person.
We need to talk about where it's going to be. How much it's going to cost? What are you going to get? WHAT AM I GOING TO GET? ALL OF IT.
UH, I'm on the dispute here just simply has to do with the title. I'm willing to get off the public right now and to get on a private conversation with you. Now, just simply about the debate type, >> but let me say this to you. I want to have a private conversation, but I'm still perplexed as why you've made this larger than it is.
>> You can't have a Why? Why is it that you like have a seem to have a problem talking to me?
>> Uh, Jabari, >> you talk to lots of people that you dislike. You do. You've had that dislike. Jabari, it's simple. We'll get off the phone and we will uh we will find a debate topic.
I'll tell you >> that's all that's all I wanted. That's all I wanted.
>> I'm out of here.
>> You got time to get on the phone?
>> Sure. We can talk now.
>> I'm calling y'all. I'm ending the show.
Okay. All right, everybody. We out.
>> All right.
>> I'll be back to let y'all know the details.
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