Drinker's Chasers - The Odyssey Looks BAD

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[00:00:10]The Odyssey doesn't look great. Cosmo has this article. If Christopher Nolan were brave, the Odyssey would be gay. I think they will get their wish. It'll be G. We think your video was an eye openener with the feminist interpretation being adapted. Yes. This is something that I feel people aren't quite as aware of as they should be. So, Christopher Nolan is a big fan of um >> Emily Wilson.

[00:00:34]>> Of the Odyssey. Yes. By Emily Wilson, who is a hardcore intersectional feminist who set out specifically to reinterpret the Odyssey um by doing the most loose possible um interpretation of the the translation from the original Greek um to try and put as many feminist themes into it as possible. And that's the one that Nolan apparently used as his template for this movie.

[00:01:01]And I don't know guys, like I watched the trailer. I've seen both trailers now and they are so godamn bleak and washed out and depressing looking. And I just I don't get the sense of, you know, mythology and larger than life characters and the epicness that I would expect from something like the Odyssey.

[00:01:23]It's getting tough to defend. Um, so I like everyone else with the second trailer, um, the dialogue is the thing that stood out to me more than anything.

[00:01:33]Um, and I know everybody brought up the Patson line, but I thought the Tom Holland line was worse. Um, >> I'm waiting for my dad or my dad.

[00:01:42]>> Yeah, I'm going with um >> Yeah, cuz Go ahead.

[00:01:46]>> Modern English.

[00:01:48]>> Do what?

[00:01:50]Well, that's another that's another thing that Emily Wilson in put into her interpretation. She replaced a lot of the original Greek words or or um idioms with modern translations >> because she said, "Well, you know, um the original didn't sound um ancient to the Greeks and so why should it sound ancient to us?"

[00:02:11]>> Well, that's that's your artistic license coming in though and you're just putting your own [ __ ] in there.

[00:02:16]>> Yeah. When Tom Holland talked about his dad, I was just waiting for like him to, you know, pull out his iPhone or something or his, you know, like a Switch to to play, like it just felt weird, you know, like where well, my dad will be here. I'll text him. Whatever.

[00:02:29]It just it's it is the dialogue is bad.

[00:02:32]The the moment where Odysius is running and he says, "Let's go."

[00:02:35]>> That part I've watched.

[00:02:38]>> It's Come on, guys. Let's go.

[00:02:40]>> That's the old thing.

[00:02:42]>> Yeah. I was wait, you know, bring Jason Mimo in just go my man, you know, like at this point, like what are we doing?

[00:02:48]>> Um, so the dialogue is incredibly uh concerning for sure. Uh, I do think visually there's a lot here and I do think that um like some of the practical effects are going to be [ __ ] awesome to witness. I I I do think the practical effects are going to be cool. But yeah, there's I can't it's it's getting tough to defend this, especially with the rumor of Ellie in it. Paige uh being Achilles.

[00:03:16]>> That's what I've heard. Yeah, >> I'm starting to think that that's possible.

[00:03:20]>> When you go from Brad Pitt to Elliot Page, story man.

[00:03:24]>> Yeah, I mean that's >> name a bigger downgrade.

[00:03:27]>> I was like I was just about to say that's if that is true. That has got to be possibly the biggest downgrade in cinema history. To be fair, Nolan probably said, >> as a Nolan fan, I will say Nolan probably just said, "You guys thought that Maggie Gyllenhaal was the worst casting.

[00:03:45]I'm going to one up you right now." Um, not to mention, uh, Lepita Nango is rumored to be Helen of Troy.

[00:03:53]>> Yes.

[00:03:54]>> What the hell is happening, man? This is crazy. Although in furnace they I suspect they won't get much screen time because this isn't the battle, you know, Troy. That's not what it's about. It's the Odyssey which happens after. So my guess is that it opens with the fall of Troy and then there are little flashbacks to Helen of Troy and to Achilles.

[00:04:18]>> Yep.

[00:04:18]>> I agree.

[00:04:19]>> And then that's it. They're only in the movie for like a couple of minutes. So yeah, it's [ __ ] but it's not going to it's not going to affect the movie. It won't be a big deal. And then it's >> Zen does have Zenaya in it as though the >> see what happens with that.

[00:04:34]>> Um and then he's gonna do linear nonlinear would be my guess because that's what Nolan does.

[00:04:38]>> He said he said he's going to do nonlinear.

[00:04:41]>> Yeah. So it's but he's going to have two story lines. So he's going to have the Odysian epic that you know the actual Odysius's journey to get back home and then he's going to obviously juxtapose that with the suitors trying to steal his throne um and court his wife. So those will be the two main ones and then he'll he'll cut between them just like he did with Oppenheimer. So it'll be present which will be the suitors and then it will be the past which will be Odysius um traveling to his home.

[00:05:06]Something like that is what he's going to do. But yeah, you're right. It does look a bit too washed out. It looks a bit too dull and the casting's just not quite right. The accents aren't quite right. There's a lot of small problems.

[00:05:17]There's a couple of big problems. And there's nothing that I would look at here and think, "Okay, that looks [ __ ] awesome." It just makes me It just makes me nostalgic for um >> the Brad Pit movie.

[00:05:28]>> For Troy. Yeah, that's that's pointed out like because I when I was making my review of the trailer, right, I had to like dig up some footage from Troy and I was just like looking through it some of the battle scenes, some of the the dialogue scenes, and I was like, "Holy [ __ ] this movie looks gorgeous." Like, it's so vibrant. It's so colorful. so well shot >> and it just it looks it was Wolf Gang Peterson who did it, wasn't it?

[00:05:55]>> That's actually a good question. I can't remember who did >> I think it was Peterson. Um, but it looks fantastic and it's like it Brad Pitt looks like a a a mythological figure come to life. I talked about this it back in the day uh being the oldest person here on the panel which um I wish Gary was here so I don't have to say that but uh I remember when Troy came out and Troy had a ton of [ __ ] hate back in the day when it came out. People hated it because it wasn't historically accurate. It didn't have the gods uh laundry list of the history and I remember that Brad Pitt was crit Oh, what's Brad Pitt doing there with this long [ __ ] blonde?

[00:06:33]>> Exactly. I remember that. Yes. Yes.

[00:06:35]Because Brad Pitt was only viewed as a pretty boy. He was not viewed as a badass. And Orlando Bloom. People hated Orlando Bloom being in the movie. So there was a ton of hating popular at the time.

[00:06:48]But with that said, I [ __ ] love Troy.

[00:06:50]I've always loved the movie. So >> [ __ ] great movie.

[00:06:52]>> I love it.

[00:06:52]>> Also, why are you like Gary was here?

[00:06:54]We're all alive when that came out.

[00:06:56]>> I know. But >> I love like Jeremy being older than Drinker is disturbing to me.

[00:07:03]>> I am. Nobody believes this.

[00:07:05]>> [ __ ] old.

[00:07:07]>> It makes a good point. People forget it was it was it was [ __ ] on a lot when it came out.

[00:07:11]>> It was big time.

[00:07:12]>> Yeah.

[00:07:12]>> Oh god, there's so many things from back then where it's like perhaps I treated you too hard.

[00:07:16]>> Oh, for sure. Yeah. Um, but I, you know, let's not deny though, the Hector Achilles fight. Everyone [ __ ] loved that [ __ ] >> One of the best fight scenes ever.

[00:07:23]>> One of the best fight scenes ever. Yeah.

[00:07:25]>> Superb.

[00:07:26]>> Banner and and Pit were on top form for that.

[00:07:29]>> Really, man. But so yeah. So for so Achilles Ellienit page is [ __ ] wild. It's not confirmed but I what I I mentioned earlier I want to circle back to this. I feel like I'm a huge Christopher Nolan fan. Obviously I think everybody knows that I feel like Nolan may be at his George Lucas prequel era. And what I mean by that is that if you remember back when the prequels, when the first when the Phantom Menace came out, George Lucas was a god among men, okay? Because he was returning to Star Wars. And before the movie came out, he was a god among men. No one was going to tell George Lucas anything. So that's why we get Jar Jar stepping in dog, you know, [ __ ] And you know, and nobody's like, "George, maybe we shouldn't do all of this." Nobody was telling him anything. I feel like Nolan coming off of Oppenheimer with he's now at peak power. Nobody's telling Nolan anything. No one's saying like, "Hey, Chris, uh, X, Y, and Z." I just think there's nobody that's willing to talk to him to pull him back and he is in his own success to a level where nobody can tell him anything and he's making horrible decisions. I think it's like, yeah, beware of false idols and all that, but like there's always a deliberate decision behind everything that no one does. Like when it comes to like, okay, they're all talking with American accents. They're using modern idioms. Like there, that's not just random chance and it's not laziness. He made a decision in order to make this happen. But just because there was a conscious thought put into it doesn't mean it's a good one. And I think this might be an example of people are not going to be ready for this kind of interpretation of the Odyssey. And just nothing I'm seeing in these trailers makes me excited for it. It's so bleak.

[00:09:25]It's so washed out. It's so like trying to be grounded in reality. And I think he had the same problem with the Dark Knight trilogy. Like that's why that's the issue I have with that where it doesn't feel like it's being lifted from the pages of a comic book. It feels like it's just taking place in modern day New York and like it's so grounded. The Batmobile just looks like a regular old car. Batman just looks like a guy in a in a suit. He fights in broad daylight.

[00:09:53]Like all these things just compound together where you think, okay, this guy has his niche for sure.

[00:10:01]>> Sci-fi thrillers like crazy out there like you know concepts. Great. That's where he excels. But doing the fantastical like this mythology, that sort of thing, I just don't think it's him. I don't think it suits him. And I think he's trying to fit a square peg into a round hole with this one.

[00:10:21]>> Yeah. He also doesn't do like Nolan's not good with humor. Um, if you look at his movies, they're very It's not that they're unfunny, it's just >> he didn't like I'm not wearing hockey pads. Really?

[00:10:32]>> He's not good with humor and he's not good with any kind of human connection.

[00:10:36]>> Yeah. He doesn't and and the Odyssey there there is a lot of humor there. Not probably not in that [ __ ] feminist rendition of it, but um because it's it's an old story, you know, that was told or it has to have humor to keep people entertained and it's there. For example, there's a it could be interpreted as a I know I [ __ ] know how no one's going to do this. Like when Odysius, they're going past the I think I'm hope I'm not confusing this with the Iliad. It's Odysius is going past the sirens and he tells his men to plug their ears and to to rope him to the mast.

[00:11:06]Is that the Odyssey?

[00:11:07]>> Is this when they're on the boat?

[00:11:11]>> Um I think it is. And cuz he's they're passing the sirens. Um and if if the men hear the siren song um they'll uh I'm pretty sure yes >> they'll be seduced by them and then they'll swim to the rocks and they'll die. The Odyssey. Yes.

[00:11:24]>> And uh Odysius wants to hear the sirens, right? But he doesn't want to be killed.

[00:11:28]So he gets his men to to rope him to the mask so he can't escape. And then when he they've got their ears plugged and he starts hearing the sirens and he starts screaming his head, "Let me off. Let me off. Let me go to the sirens." Um, now that could be really funny, but I don't think that um Nolan could make that funny.