This video examines how urban political decisions, such as progressive policies and labor union support, can influence corporate relocation decisions, as illustrated by Seattle's mayor Katie Wilson's initial support for Starbucks workers during a strike and subsequent reversal when concerns arose about businesses potentially leaving the city, highlighting the complex relationship between local governance and economic competitiveness.
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>> Josh Arnold, Investment Consultant, brings you Garage Logic podcast number 1,783, May 21st, 2026.
I am declaring my lilacs bloomed.
A little early. four days early. Maybe 92 degrees the record high on this day, which I don't understand because it's been such a cool spring.
>> It has been a cool spring.
>> 92 degrees. Oh, man.
>> I got it.
>> I'm done with this wind, by the way. It It can stop. It's like North Dakota out here. Enough already.
>> 92 degrees the record high in this day in n That was in 1964.
And it was 33 degrees on this day in 1997.
Do yourself a favor and call Josh Arnold at 952-9255608 and have a chat with him. It's a free 48minute consultation.
>> Hail the flashlight king.
>> Hail you.
>> And now from the mayor's office above the boat house on the east shore of Spoon Lake, it's Garage Logic with Chris Rever's manning technology corner. Kenny Olsen from the Krabby Coffee Shop, John Height in the Newsroom, and of course, the rookie. Here is your flashlight king, fireworks commissioner, and the keeper of common sense, your mayor, Joe Sushi.
You know, our uh demo derby driver, the GL demo derby driver, a guy named Matt.
>> Yeah, Matt. And I think he's despite his uh insistence that he has not I think he has suffered a couple of concussions.
>> Really?
>> Well, because he writes [laughter] uh uh just checking to see what time you'll kick off the summer at the state fair grounds this weekend. A Joe and Pat segment at the kickoff to summer would be a great start to the holiday weekend.
>> It's the car show, Joe.
>> No, there's no car show, Matt.
>> No, it's the uh the the pre fair.
Right. It's the foreplay to the fair.
>> By the way, I'm Kenny, not Matt.
>> Everybody in that conversation there sounded scenile. First, Kenny forgets about the kickoff that Joe calls him Matt.
>> Yeah.
>> Let me say let me say where we're at.
>> Let me say one of the most sest things that's going to be on the show today.
>> Not possible.
>> Is that I think your car guy, Matt, suffered one too many malachi crunches.
>> That's it.
>> Yep. [laughter] >> Matt, we ain't going to be there.
Now, you'll recall the uh >> When is that car show?
>> Are you talking about back to the 50s?
>> No, the the other uh Yeah, SR.
>> Maybe I am. I don't know what I'm talking about, Joe.
>> Okay, >> you know what? I'll see you guys tomorrow.
>> Sound like me. Remember yesterday I had the counter to the Doom newsletter from Chris in Best Fargo and he writes a clarification.
Uh much like the Twin Cities, the We were wondering why does he call it the Best Fargo?
>> Much like the Twin Cities, the Fargo metropolitan area is comprised of se several abuing but separate municipalities with different mayors, city councils, building codes, police departments, etc. Uh among those mis municipalities are two, Fargo and West Fargo. One Fargo is a lot like GL while the other is Liberal Lakes. To avoid being confused with those gender fluid blue-haired mysterian baristas, we'd like to establish the geographic delineation by emphasizing that we're from Best Fargo, which is West Fargo.
>> West Fargo. Yeah.
>> Uh good luck, Chris, in Best Fargo. PS.
My dad Ken was childhood pals with John's older brother Dick. John, do you have an older brother? Dick. That's the one that just passed away. Yeah.
>> The news director/GM. What What's the last name?
>> Height.
>> No. [laughter] >> What last name >> of the person?
>> Oh my god. We are sitting at the old folks [laughter] home right now.
>> Oh my jello. Oh my [laughter] word. For the record, my mic has been off this entire time.
>> Yeah, >> John, there's no last names involved here.
>> Was I thought yesterday did >> Can I finish the email, John, before you get all worked up?
>> I think you said >> P.S. My dad Ken.
>> Yeah, Carl's I think probably.
>> Okay.
>> Anyway, >> was [laughter] put a little your rocker squeaking. My dad Ken was childhood pal with John's older brother, Dick. There's a good chance he was also John's middle school or high school band teacher in Mandan.
>> Ken Carl's wonderful. Yes.
>> Did he go nuts, I wonder? He was a band teacher. They all go nuts.
>> Well, he did kind of. He became a Republican representative. Sorry. See, that was just too easy.
>> It was. You know what? It was just It was an underhanded pitch, wasn't it, >> John? That was a home run.
>> No, Ken's a really good guy. I actually saw him at Dick's funeral this No, he's still alive. I saw him at the funeral.
>> Oh, no. Don't get into who died now.
>> And he also is We talked about confirmation names. I told you guys mine was Ken. He was my confirmation sponsor.
>> Ken Carl.
>> That's That's as in That's as inventive as you came up with was Ken.
>> I I didn't get to make it up. I had to take his name. You guys said you made yours up. I never had that.
>> Oh, yeah. We get to choose our own.
>> That's why Johnny left the church. He was forced to make >> What are you talking about? When you get confirmed >> in a Catholic church, >> bring in a bishop.
>> Yeah. We I just went to one Sunday.
>> What bishop?
>> Hebdo ran the whole deal.
>> Wow.
>> Yeah. Okay.
>> Archbishop Hebdo.
>> Uh you know who mine was? John Debasco.
Cuz he was a juggler.
[laughter] >> Who was yours?
>> Uh I went with Peter Rock.
>> You know that's not that's not out of the box.
>> You know, >> you guys got to choose a saint. Is that what you're saying? Yeah. Yeah. I never I never There was never any >> You had to choose your band teacher.
>> I never had Yeah. Didn't you have to have somebody represent you?
>> I don't recall. I do not recall. That's getting me >> Grandpa Red.
>> Well, Matt, I was answering.
>> Oh, >> and [laughter] and my answer back in the >> And my answer is I have no idea.
>> How do you not know that?
>> It was a long time ago.
>> Who was the bishop that gave you this the serum, the ointment?
>> The only one.
>> Uh I don't know. you Catholics. Uh, >> Bishop Kenny, this is why we were told to pray for you. You guys >> just let me say it was nice to hear from Ken's kid then. I don't know Ken's kid, but apparently >> Yeah, >> I'm very familiar with West Fargo. And he's right. West Fargo is Geller's town compared to Fargo proper.
>> You in the back.
>> And for those of you trying desperately to follow along with this storyline here in GL, just I'll have you know, we glossed over something very, very unique in GL in which Joe S. John Height if the emailer who sent him the letter had also died.
>> He did and and I had just said I saw him at my brother's funeral in November. Is he did he die?
>> Well, no, he >> I guess I guess he wouldn't.
[laughter] >> Well, that all started with John's brother and then John's other brother's wife >> and Joe never did get any of that straight. Remember that?
>> I'm not any less confused than I was two minutes ago.
Oh, >> hi. I'm Larry. Here's my brother Dale.
Yeah. My other brother Dale.
>> Larry. Daryl. And Daryl.
>> So, we lost Dick. Huh? [laughter] >> Back in November.
>> Should I'm sorry.
>> Unfortunately, sorry for the loss.
>> Should I get the heavy stuff out of the way?
>> Yeah.
>> Because I I sense the uh the mood of the staff is >> do that tirade about pills. I think we can all get behind you on that one.
>> No.
>> Oh, don't do it then. I think the mood of the staff is tenuous. I think holding your attention is somewhat up in the air right now.
>> I would agree.
>> Wait till tomorrow.
>> Oh yeah, it's it is freaking party time.
We [clears throat] might not even go on the council tomorrow.
>> I can link an email a local email from Jeff Mowski whose emails we've read previously. I can link that to the mayor of Seattle.
Oh, >> Jeff writes, "I'm posting this in response to Wednesday show Wednesday's show when you said that you were no longer going to let things bother you and just shrug your shoulders and agree that 2 plus 2 equals 5." Well, it reminded me of something else you say quite often, and that is that everyone has their number. You of course are referring to the price of gas, but I'm going to use that phrase in a different context.
Everybody also has their number when it comes to being able to shrug off the nonsense that is ever growing in our once great state and no longer being able to tolerate 2 plus 2 equals 5. And living right in the heart of Minneapolis as I do, I hit that number quite a while ago.
That's why I sent something to you a few weeks ago that you kindly read on the air stating that now is the time to stop being complacent and get serious about what we can all do to turn this ship around. And my message to you all was to start paying attention to who we are voting for and make sure the ones we do support have the right stuff to get us back on track. And yes, the closer one lives to the tallest buildings, the sooner one will hit their number. For you see, Minneapolis is the canary in the coal mine, and it has gone woozy, fallen from its perch, and is on life support, lying on the litter strewn at the bottom of the cage. Block that metaphor. So, I again implore you and the Gellers out there to not shrug things off because it is just a matter of time when you two will hit your number. The time is now to start paying attention to who to vote for.
Complacency on this matter got us into this mess and more complacency will steal our fate. GL Jeff. Now, let me link that to the mayor of Seattle.
This is my deep these are going to be my deep thoughts for the day.
>> You're going heavy.
The mayor of Seattle is a gal named Katie Wilson who's a socialist and she has garnered some national attention for her immaturity and I mean she her parents pay her bills. She's she's not much of an achiever. But she won >> she won >> because nobody was paying attention. She won the mayor's seat in Seattle, which used to be a hell of a town.
And now she's really backpedaling hard to try to prevent Starbucks from moving its headquarters because God knows how many people they employ in Seattle, >> right?
>> She's also backpedaling because REI might move their headquarters, the outdoor clothing and camping deal.
>> Yeah.
>> So, she's working back. Katie Wilson is walking back her comments urging consumers to boycott Starbucks >> because uh that that arose from her backing the idea that the uh clerks in the coffee shop should be unionized.
>> Okay.
>> You know, and so >> and then the owners of Starbucks might be oppressors.
>> Yes.
>> Okay.
Wilson [clears throat] is a Democratic socialist elected last year on a progressive laborback platform. She told the New York Times this week that comments she made during a Starbucks worker strike last fall were not productive. "Those comments were not productive in the sense that they cause more harm than good," Wilson said. The remarks marked a notable shift in tone from comments Wilson made shortly after winning Seattle's mayoral race in November when she joined Starbucks workers on a picket line outside the companies because she had nothing else to do, >> right?
>> She's not she's not worried about plows and potholes. Uh she joined the workers on a picket line outside the company's former reserve roastery on Capitol Hill and urged residents to boycott the hometown coffee chain.
I'm not buying Starbucks and you should not either, Wilson said at the rally.
She later led protesters in chance supporting striking workers. At the time, several unionized Starbucks workers in Seattle and other cities were striking amidst stalled contract negotiations with the company. To which I would say, "Get over it. If that's all you're going to do in life is pour coffee, good luck to you."
>> I'm being judgmental, aren't I?
>> Yes, you are. [laughter] >> I think the claims that millionaires are going to leave our state are like super overblown. And if you know the ones that leave, like bye. Um, so >> that's Katie Wilson. the ones that leave. Play that again. Play it cuz that comes up in the story. Play this. Is Katie Wilson.
>> I think the claims that millionaires are going to leave our state are like super overblown. And if you know the ones that leave, like bye. Um, so, [laughter] >> and listen to the applause in the background.
>> Well, I'm getting that. Just >> that's my theory. My theory is coming up. You're going to enjoy it. It's worth it's worth mentioning that Starbucks has only been unionized since 2021. It's been a recent development.
>> Yeah, I know.
>> Where was I? Okay.
Uh Wilson's comments have resurfaced in recent weeks uh as concerns mount among some business leaders and local officials about Seattle's economic climate and whether increasingly progressive policies could drive employees and wealthy residents elsewhere to which we just heard her say like bye.
Those comments uh those concerns intensified after Starbucks announced plans to establish a 2,000 employee corporate hub in Nashville, Tennessee, fueling debate over whether the company could gradually shift more oper operations away from Seattle, where Starbucks was founded in 1971 and still maintains its global headquarters.
Tennessee has increasingly attracted corporate expansions from companies seeking lower taxes, lower operating costs, and a more businessfriendly regulatory environment than many West Coast cities. Or we could add or the Twin Cities.
I think that claims that millionaires are going to leave our state are super overblown. Wilson, oh, this was at a Seattle University forum and it was just last month. Yep.
>> And the ones that leave like by and everybody at the failed academy thought this was amusing.
>> Wilson has since indicated she is trying to strike a more balanced tone towards Seattle's corporate community. The mayor told the New York Times that she now understands her comments will be closely scrutinized for signs of hostility really toward businesses and said she hopes to maintain a multi-dimensional relationship. What does that mean? She wants to rip them but she's winking at them. I I don't know what that means.
>> Multi-dimensional.
>> Yeah. I want them here, Wilson said of Starbucks. And I believe they want to be here.
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