The Boy Wants A Ballroom!

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[00:00:00]If a group of Republicans said, "We're done and we're going to at this moment negate our power because if it comes from the Democrats, it just looks like you're angry, right? We're going to we're going to give up our power." Why?

[00:00:15]Because this country and saving this republic and this democracy is more important than us or my next election.

[00:00:25]You know, I'm telling the truth because I stand to lose everything.

[00:00:30]Give me 10 Republicans. Give me seven Republicans like that. And I'm telling you, and I hope the Republicans are listening. Maybe everybody can send this to them. If you do that, you've solidified the rest of your career.

[00:00:52]Hello and welcome to the Politics podcast. I'm your host, Lee McGawen.

[00:00:56]Let's get into it. Well, the White House correspondents dinner took place over the weekend and it didn't go exactly as planned. Or if you look at things the way I do these days, where I've been forced to live in a perpetual tinfoil hat conspiracy theory, actually, this might be the most logical way to think of it world, this weekend might have gone exactly as planned. To paraphrase attorney and writer Carolyn Stout, we do not know if the shooting at the White House correspondents dinner was staged, but the circumstances are strange and the whole thing feels incredibly muddy.

[00:01:26]So, while it could be a false flag, it could also just be an astounding cascade of immense ineptitude. Stout writes, "What's disturbing about this incident is the immediate propaganda that came out for the White House ballroom and the conclusions that the White House were themselves making about the shooter and the reasons for the shooting, which, as she puts it, were at best irresponsible and at worst calculated. What we do know is this. Shots were fired. And as I record this on Monday, April 27th, we don't yet know who fired those shots. We can say an armed man rushed the building, but we can't say it would be an assassin because we don't actually know if this was actually an assassination attempt. What we can confirm is that the Trump administration was ready to go to use the confusion and misinformation around the event to push a very particular agenda. To talk with me about this today, I brought one of my favorite people to discuss complicated things with, Joanna Johnson, otherwise known as Unlearn 16. Joanna is a content creator, writer, and teacher from Toronto, who like me is interested in both educating people and keeping our critical thinking skills fresh. So, without further ado, please welcome my guest, teacher, social media superstar, and critically acclaimed author of That's Not What This Book is About, Joanna Johnson.

[00:02:41]>> Hi, Joanna.

[00:02:42]>> Bio. Yay.

[00:02:45]I literally called you. Uh we were going back and forth on Saturday and I was like, "You got to come on the show and talk about this because we have to talk about it." So >> when I found out what happened, I'm like, "Is she there? Could she possibly be there?" And I'm like, "She's not going to answer the phone even if you were there." But >> yeah. No, I wouldn't go. I wouldn't go to full disclosure. I was actually in DC all last week and then all the parties for the White House correspondence dinner were happening. And like they would never invite me to the White House correspondence dinner, but I was invited to all the parties and I was like I just find the whole thing like I'm glad that they're taking me seriously. I'm glad they see the importance of independent media, but like just the idea of putting on like a cocktail dress or like a gala outfit right now when we're at war and that, you know, the press is so demoralized and it just felt so I don't know, the whole thing just felt gross to me. So I didn't stay for any of those parties. I was like, I just can't do it.

[00:03:35]I I would rather I would personally rather see the media out there doing the work. I I understand part of the job is, you know, socializing and seeing your colleagues and I understand the importance of that in a work environment, but right now it feels like the media is lying down on the job.

[00:03:49]>> He keeps buying the media.

[00:03:51]>> Yeah. Well, that doesn't help. That doesn't help.

[00:03:54]>> I'll take this. I'll take this one. I'll take that one. I mean, honestly, you can't believe how many elements of our country were just norms. You know, we're just people behaving well as opposed to rules that were set down. You think about all the antitrust laws that have been kind of getting out since the Reagan years. And you're like, this is why we had them so that you couldn't have one billionaire and his billionaire friends >> buying all of your media and then telling you what the truth is. Like there's there was reasons we had antitrust laws and it was because of things like this and it's something we certainly need to bring back.

[00:04:28]>> People ask my favorite president, it is Teddy Roosevelt hands down twice on Sundays. Absolutely.

[00:04:35]>> I'm an FDR girl, but I will feel you. He is my second fave.

[00:04:38]>> I like the Roosevelt.

[00:04:39]>> FDR above. Well, that's a whole other podcast.

[00:04:43]>> Okay, listen. Saturday night we had the White House correspondents dinner.

[00:04:47]>> No, you didn't even have the dinner. You had the >> No, we didn't even actually have the dinner. We had the prep and then what happened happened. And look, I can't pretend that I didn't hear about what happened and immediately think [ __ ] What do you think?

[00:05:02]>> That was my heart. I you know what the interesting part about this is that so so when I hear it and all of a sudden, you know, everybody's already given their 10 cents or whatever. And I say 10 cents because people give far too much sometimes of their own opinions without uh actually thinking it through. When I started seeing that onslaught, the the feeling I had after I knew everybody's okay, because it was like it popped off and I knew everybody was okay very quickly, right? What I felt was fatigue.

[00:05:31]What I felt was a level of complete and utter negation of giving a crap. And I and I say that whether it was fake or whether it was true.

[00:05:45]I don't care.

[00:05:48]And this is what this administration has done to to potentially real life significant event. It has made me not care.

[00:06:02]>> I don't I everybody's fine. So I would have cared if there was any, you know, obvious loss of life. I read his freaking manifesto, which he used the word aka wrong seven times.

[00:06:13]>> Yeah. this incredibly brilliant man.

[00:06:16]>> Everybody but Cash Patel. What? So when I started getting deeper into it, I thought, well, this is ridiculous. I care about 30 seconds later, he's talking about a ballroom.

[00:06:27]>> Yeah, baby.

[00:06:28]>> And and everybody's like focus is going to be focused on this. By the way, we're never going to f figure out anything more about this guy. It's going to fade away into oblivion just like the guy that potentially pretendedly shot out a chunk of the ear that grew back. All of that stuff. We We've never talked about it since.

[00:06:45]True or fake, it doesn't matter. We will never talk about it again. It'll just be gone.

[00:06:53]>> Honestly, Joanna, that's why I had you on today because there's part of me that does not want to fall into this. We're changing the narrative and here we are now. We're going to talk about this and don't look at the war and don't look at our corruption. But I do think we have to talk about it. But I think your point that you're saying like we should continue to talk about it cuz this is a ludicrous way to live. The point that you're making is like you hear about it, you're like, "Okay, everyone's fine."

[00:07:16]And then you're like, "Who cares?" Like this is ridiculous. Dave Columbo, who's an online creator, who's just brilliant.

[00:07:22]He said, "The government has done so much damage to us that we can't get through a single thing without falling headirst into conspiracy land territory because we just don't believe anything that comes out of the administration or our media anymore." And that is a real problem. Like you're talking about this manifesto that they're saying exists now, right? But by the logic of the manifesto itself, it makes absolutely no sense in that first of all, as you mentioned, this is supposed to be written by like a Caltech guy, like a super crazy smart man who is brilliant and it's written like a child. I mean, he starts a sentence with like, you know, and the timing >> and the timing makes no sense. Like the manifesto includes how he's watching people go into this event and how lax the security is. I'm like where is he seeing that from? Where is this armed man watching these guests from? Where is he writing this manifesto? From the hallway from a stairwell, right? This out oftowner just gets a room at this hotel, this particular hotel that there is no way wasn't booked literally months in advance because that is where the White House correspondents dinner is.

[00:08:32]Try getting a hotel in DC when there's something going on. It's impossible.

[00:08:36]This guy gets a $3,000 a night room. The hotel would have been completely booked.

[00:08:41]Trump didn't even say he was coming until the very last minute. The whole thing to me reads like like that confession letter from Charlie Kirk's murderer that was illogical, poorly written, gave away far too much information. It was like, "Yep, I did it." And here are all my reasons that I'm going to lay out in detail. Right? I mean even if you look at the performance on the dis at the dinner itself the whole thing played like a badly written drama and it drew really badly written right and it only draw more attention to me to the fact that the whole thing felt staged so as you're saying like whether it's true or not >> it did happen and now Donald Trump gets to push the importance >> of his ballroom underground mansion bunker that he's so desperate for but can't legally get and he's able able to distract, right? Distract what I'm seeming to think is the gullible and compromised media at this point from his abysmal war, from the high price of gas, from his family's outright corruption, and of course from the Epstein files.

[00:09:39]Right.

[00:09:40]>> And let's be honest, he has pushed the Epstein F. It's gone. I'm sorry. It it is anybody who's giving the Nothing's He's had the DOJ the new DOJ come out go, we're done with it. We're not talking about it anymore. We're not doing anything about it anymore. It's done. It's done. until potentially the next president digs it up. But what I can promise you, Lee, and I hate to say this and it's so painfully true, they're not going to either.

[00:10:10]>> They're not going to. You understand?

[00:10:12]>> Not if we hire the same people. Not if we hire the same people. If we stick in this centrist, it is way it is reach across the aisle type government, then no, they won't. Because I think I think it's possible everyone >> from you know 10 presidents back is involved in this shenanigans. But I think that if we get the right people back in government, a totally different type of government for America because we're not going back to how it was.

[00:10:36]We're either going deeper down into this like hidey-hole authoritarian land or we're we're building something new. And I think like I can tell you if I was in charge right now, I would be the first person out there. I said to Sean at the airport when we're coming home from DC, I was like, I just want leaders that are like, uh, America was involved in everything terrible that you think it was involved in. Uh, we shot JFK. We did the this, we did the that. We had a sexual ring that we were allowing children to be attacked so that we could blackmail world leaders. It's disgusting. We're embarrassed. Do you know what I mean? Like I I I would love to be the leader. That's And I was like, I'm sorry. This is humiliating, but we have to build something new. and every single person that's been involved in that who's still alive, we're doing televised trials for every single one of them. Sorry, we're sorry, world. And we're gonna do better. I would love that.

[00:11:25]>> I I just I don't I don't know who gets to stay in government at that point because the I do not believe and you know this, I'm an optimist, but I'm also I also think it's a bit of a I'm a realist in the sense that I I still believe that majority of people on this planet are lovely, good people. Here's the problem. I think too many people know too many things. So it's like I didn't do anything but I know that guy, that guy, that guy or girl or whatever.

[00:11:51]And and that complicity, complicit, it's like felicity, but not that's the problem. And I think so many people if they were being honest, if they were being truthful, this already wouldn't be a problem.

[00:12:09]the like whether you were on that list, I promise you if you had money and you're in politics, you knew. Shut up by saying you weren't. And if you didn't blow the whistle when you knew, you're complicit. Out you go. And in that case, they all got to go. They all It's the same. It's no different than diddy. It's the same thing. All these, oh, I never win. I never win. Yeah, but you knew.

[00:12:34]You knew. And you didn't protect anybody. you just chose to not go to the party. And I think this is pretty significant about the state of the world, about the about what human behavior should look like, about what standing up for other people and what human rights actually look like. It's not just about your behavior. It's not just about what you do. It's about what you know goes on and you do nothing.

[00:13:01]>> Wasn't that the whole quote at the end of the World War II? Right. Yeah. If I stand by good men, what is it? To all let evil men do whatever. It's good men to stand around and do nothing. I really messed that quote up. What?

[00:13:13]>> Yeah, you did. You blew it. But I mean, we all know the quote you're talking about. I couldn't think OF IT EITHER.

[00:13:18]BUT YEAH, NO, it's like uh evil men succeed from good men do nothing. Like that kind of thing. Yeah.

[00:13:23]>> Yeah. too many people knew. And and you know what Donald Trump did, and I and I hate to be the bearer of bad news here, but what Donald Trump only did in his little reign, is he's highlighted what everybody else has been allowed to get away with for since World War II without acknowledging and without facing any repercussions, any international sanctions or or ownership of anything because the United States has had the luxury or the whatever of sitting at the head of the table and being the only remaining superpower at this point. You know, I start doing history lessons because I'm not I'm not interested in fighting about Donald Trump anymore. I think it's exhausting. He says exactly who he is. If you can't hear it, I can't do a Tik Tok to convince you. What I will convince you of is that Obama was involved in something. Clinton was involved in this. Uh Reagan, heaven help us, was involved in all this stuff.

[00:14:26]Everybody probably except for Carter, although the whole Iran thing is a little dicey over there, too. And look at Carter. He was a one-term president.

[00:14:34]There he says was the most useless president in the history of the presidency. Want to know why?

[00:14:39]>> Cuz he wasn't blackmailing people.

[00:14:42]>> The CIA wasn't going on and overthrowing left, right, and center. Like this is the reality. And is it true that as a superpower that's the way you build it?

[00:14:52]Possibly.

[00:14:53]Possibly. Is it also a reality that every country given the amount of power that the United States has has assumed and and you know consolidated that we would all act in that kind of self-interestdriven mentality with no holds barred as soon as we step outside of our own country?

[00:15:13]Probably. I don't think that's a feature of being American. I think that's a feature of unchecked power. People talk about the Constitution in the United States all the all the time and I'm like, you know, that doesn't apply outside the US though, right? We can argue that it's not being checked inside the United States, but as soon as there's a foreign policy mandate, none of that applies. None of it.

[00:15:36]>> Yeah. Then we get back to might makes right.

[00:15:38]>> And and might makes right. I mean, I love Teddy Roosevelt. We started by talking about Teddy Roosevelt. You know, walk softly, carry a big stick. Might makes right. And that's always been the way it is. And that's always been the way of the world because we've always had this militarized isolationist kind of drive from each individual country. And you would think we would start to recognize how interconnected we all are. It's like CO did the opposite of what it should have done. Co should have made us all sit down and go, "Oh [ __ ] we're all on the same planet.

[00:16:17]Mother Nature kicks our ass whenever, you know, she deems appropriate. And if we don't figure out soon how to act as a collective, how to understand what our health and our human rights should look like, we're going to be picked off country by country due to our own neglect and stupidity. But instead, because that's really scary, right?

[00:16:38]Instead of acknowledging the uncontrollability of that, well, half the countries in the world and half the people in the countries in the world went to government conspiracy control and we're going to go back to vaccines cause autism cuz they can control that cuz that's not going to make them shift their brain, right? And what we need to shift from and I know there's going to be tons of people in the comments going, "Oh, she's a globalist." Listen, we're on a globe.

[00:17:07]You want to pretend like the United States has a like a little dome over top of it? Go ahead. You don't. You don't.

[00:17:17]And and unless we learn that and figure that out, I don't know if there's a lot of help for us to be to be seen. And then this little incident is just it becomes crystal clear. Planned or fraud, I don't care. It doesn't matter. It's going to be weaponized. It's going to be spun in order for him to get what he wants. And everybody's really confused why he wants this ballroom. I don't know. You guys don't have to go very deep with this man. He wants something that will never be changed to be up there for the next hundred years that he can say he did it. Even when he's long since buried, he wants to be able to say I did that.

[00:17:57]>> Oh, I think he wants us to pay for the bunker that Teal has, that Facebook bro has. All those guys have their own like super bunkers and I think he wants the American people to pay for his and I think that he's not planning to leave and he's building himself a missile proof, drone proof, bulletproof protective hyper mansion. That's what I think he's doing. I mean, listen, I think your point is that the same as I know you know Vspear from under the desk news. She said, "Look, the issue isn't whether this incident is staged or not.

[00:18:27]It's the speed and the instinct of the administration to turn a violent act into more control for themselves that they immediately had a press conference with all the administration officials standing on the side smirking, I might add, right afterwards talking about how this all justifies why Donald needs a ballroom. And then on top of that, you have this coordinated right-wing messaging to reinforce that narrative.

[00:18:53]just relentless propaganda that as V says is deeply unnerving. And she said, "We have to stop repeating these people's lies as if they're facts." And I have to say, like as an online influencer myself, the right-wing coordinated messaging here was something else. Within the hour, every big influencer along with political leaders and news commentators were all saying the same thing. And that that same thing was not, "We're glad no one was hurt.

[00:19:20]How could this happen? Thank god the president is okay." None of them said that. None of them said that. Which would all be logical things for them to say. They all said, "This is why we need the ballroom." Right? And you're like, "What the?" Like, they all got a text within within 10 minutes of this happening. And Ashley Stlair, who is one of Elon's baby mamas, who's been out and proud and loud about how the mega influencers are all being paid to coordinate their messaging. She's like, "This is such bullshit." I mean, we're talking everyone from Megan McCain to Jack to the Libs of Tik Tok to Laura Ingram, even John Federman. And I'm saying like, go check John Federman's freaking bank accounts because he was on that same text chain. The whole thing was so coordinated to get Trump what he wants that he can't have. And as you're saying, whether the incident is authentic or not, it is this behavior from all of these people that is so deeply suspect. And I just want to tell people for the record that this is why we need the ballroom argument. It doesn't even work because the White House correspondence dinner is not an official White House event. So, it would never be held at the White House anyway.

[00:20:27]There was over 2,000 people in that event. The ballroom is not supposed to hold over 2,000 people. And then on top of that, this is a man, Donald Trump is a man who spends most of his time hanging out on golf courses, right? like a sitting duck on golf courses. So, if we're talking about he needs to be protected from bullets and drones, this event is not a strong argument for the security that he needs for this ballroom when he's out there like a freaking sitting duck in his golf guard 5 days a week, right? So, no matter what the media tries to tell us about, you know, the security or how the whole thing went down or why it was real for them, you know, I've seen people on MS Now being like, "I can't believe people are even questioning this. I was terrified."

[00:21:12]You're like, "Yeah, cuz you weren't in on the plan, babe." The thing is is that the people themselves aren't buying it, right? That's I think the thing that's so interesting. There's a group called the End of News and they immediately pointed out on Saturday that we have never seen the people in the comments sections of social media so aligned on anything that it almost doesn't matter whether the event was staged or not staged. The fascinating thing was how few people were willing to buy into the constructed reality that the government and the press were trying to feed us.

[00:21:45]And they just weren't buying what these people were selling. And I thought that was fascinating.

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[00:25:41]>> And I think that's probably particularly the most dangerous thing.

[00:25:46]when you break the truth or when you break the the you know the goal of gaining the truth and acknowledging the truth and investigating the truth when you're so completely capable of cracking that you will never be able to convince anybody of the actual truth again.

[00:26:08]>> It's all been broken.

[00:26:09]>> You didn't just say sometimes this. No, no, no, no, no. What's happened is you went from fake news to it's all garbage.

[00:26:19]And if it's all garbage, that means you can't use it as propaganda anymore. You actually destroyed the very thing you thought you were manufacturing to hold you up and keep you there. It's done.

[00:26:35]>> You did that. And and then the media, the way that they've tried to just keep a foot in the door is also exhausting. You know, it's exhausting the way they have to talk to this man.

[00:26:49]It's exhausting the kid gloves. It's exhausting the language and the the gentle, you know, Caitlyn is a great example of this. She goes hard in the paint until very recently and she started to ease up or else she doesn't get to come in the room. And this notion that that room means anything is all if I were CNN I'd be making it doesn't matter if you're in that room. Who cares? He's not answering any questions. There's never any information that's coming out of any kind of validity or any kind of importance. Why would I want to be in the room? Let Tim Pool go. Who cares?

[00:27:26]Put everybody in tubes. call it a day.

[00:27:29]It doesn't matter what happens in that room. It's a useless room. I'm not sure if it was ever useful. But in this administration, it is 100% useless.

[00:27:39]He is never going to answer a question in any way but either denial or negation or bullying. And and Levit does the exact same thing. She has the exact same strategy. So what's the point in being in the room? Stop going in the room.

[00:27:54]>> Yeah. No, I I don't think the media is accepting or acknowledging how much contempt regular Americans actually have for the people that even went to the event in the first place. Like, how many of us were totally unimpressed, almost grossed out that these people are still courting access to this particular administration? Because access isn't your job. Journalism is your job. What's the point, as you're saying, of being in the room if they're just lying to you?

[00:28:20]You're not a reporter then. you're a stenographer and they've turned you into a useful propagandist and it's embarrassing. Like I saw a tweet from an NPR reporter and she put a picture of herself and her date in their fancy clothes on the way home on the subway in DC and she was like, "It was a very dramatic night. Everyone's safe." And then she put that picture up in a picture of her view from when she was sitting on the floor in the ballroom.

[00:28:42]And I was like, "Babe, you're NPR. They completely cut your funding. He calls you lying hacks. You're only in business right now because an amazing LA philanthropist is keeping you at the table. The very least a female reporter, he treats female reporters like they're stupid waste of space. He calls them animals. Why were you even there? Right?

[00:29:04]And then I watched someone like Dana Bash on Sunday talking to Jamie Rasin and she's like, "Do you think that the Democrats should tone down their rhetoric because of this?" And I was like, "What are we even doing here?"

[00:29:16]There's a writer named Donnie Evans. He writes a a Substack called developer and he responded to that Dana Bash thing in a way that I thought was so brilliant.

[00:29:25]I'm just going to read it directly to you. He said, "Asking Jamie Rascin whether he should think twice about his rhetoric after the shooting incident at the White House correspondents dinner was moral anesthesia with a Chiron.

[00:29:38]Tonede-af, unserious, and so violently detached from reality that it deserves to be studied in a lab. Tell me, Dana, did it simply slip your mind that the president of the United States earlier this month threatened that a whole civilization will die tonight? Did you misplace the part where he said, "Open the [ __ ] straight, you crazy bastards, or you'll be living in hell?"

[00:30:00]Or is the rule now that Democrats must answer for the temperature of the country while Trump gets to set the whole damn building on fire and call it leadership? And I was like, "Yeah, that >> is perfect." I mean, the mainstream media is dead. This is what the reaction to this to me, the mainstream media is dead. They're just all fighting for the last paychecks in the authoritarian swamp. And I was just like, this whole thing is a nightmare.

[00:30:27]>> I a couple things. Number one, where where's the billionaire? You know what?

[00:30:31]Can we I'm going to give a shout out to McKenzie Scott right now.

[00:30:36]>> Yeah.

[00:30:37]>> This is where your billions get used. We have billionaires only on one side of the fence to wield that kind of power to prop up this particular president and a particular ecosystem. But I promise you that economy that they are so driven by, it's coming to a screeching halt. And we're all going to feel it way more because we don't have the billion dollar buffer. But I promise you, it comes to a screeching halt. Where's the billionaire on the other side of this fence? If we're going to live in a system where billionaires buy power and media and the Ellison's own everything, where's the flip side? Because what we need is a flip side so that like a actual news agency can be fully funded and fully vetted and fully supported to go on there every single night with investigative journ. You know what? I wouldn't cover another Trump speech ever. It would be investigation, investigation, investigation after each.

[00:31:35]And that's all that that site should be.

[00:31:37]Where's that person? You know, and I get it because in order to become a I mean, again, I feel like McKenzie Scott is the counterbalance to this. I maybe I'm putting too many eggs in one basket, but I feel like her philanthropy and her, you know, her standing with what she's done with her money, I feel as though it is it is the right type of leaning.

[00:32:01]However, do we live in a world where in order to get that amount of money?

[00:32:07]You've had to buy into a system. And once you've bought into the system, you cannot even come close. Even if you have all the money in the world, you cannot possibly step outside of it anymore. You are it. You've become it.

[00:32:23]>> I think that is the truth for the men. I think you're talking about Mackenzie Scott. People might know her as Mackenzie Bezos. people like Melinda Gates, you know, there are a number even Tom Snyder who's writing in in California, the there are billionaires out there. The problem is is that what what we have to understand is that money makes money. So like you're a billionaire, your money is just like constantly you can give away hundreds of millions of dollars and you're like I'm still this rich. That's why it's like crazy that you're not buying media stations the way Sinclair was or the way the Ellison's are. But also, you need to have approval from the government. So it's almost like you need to start something brand new. That's the problem.

[00:32:55]Donald Trump is approving these mergers, right? like Netflix walked away from the table and Donald Trump has to approve it. Then you have to have the right to be on TV, not be taken out off TV. You don't want the Justice Department coming after you. Right now, it's just such a broken corrupt system. I just I feel like I have to point out that like I feel like this event gave the president everything he wanted. And I just want to point out to people that like because of this event, and I'm going to call it an event because I don't think it was an assassination attempt personally. This event, he didn't have to do his speech, right? No one made fun of him. He got a huge captive audience for his talking points about the ballroom. The 2,000 members of the press didn't have to watch him in real time as he like fell asleep on the stage or declined for three hours. Like the whole thing felt like a win-win for him, which says to me that it was planned because they needed a way to take the story off how much he is failing and to set up a national security predicate that allows him to justify the ballroom. They didn't have one, arguably now they have one now. So, it's kind of two birds, one stone. And I just I feel like real journalists, as you're saying, if we had real news like that, real journalists should be digging into who this shooter was. They should be asking why there was such a fast and coordinated messaging throughout the mega universe. They should be questioning the manifesto in general.

[00:34:16]They should be laying out a timeline for when things are really bad for the president and then suddenly there's an assassination attempt or in Charlie Kirk's case, an actual assassination and it changes the news to something Donald Trump would prefer to be talking about.

[00:34:30]And I have to also say like I am really sorry to all the people in America who have had and lost a loved one to gun violence, especially people who have lost children in their schools to gun violence. To stand there and listen to this argument that because there was a gunman in the same building as Donald Trump, he deserves a $400 million bulletproof, drone proof, missileproof party palace. But you get thoughts and prayers for your dead child. We can't even give you legislation, right? Like it's nauseating.

[00:35:05]>> Ain't that the truth? I I saw a teacher, obviously she was being facicious, but said something very similar and I watched it and I and I, you know, I scrolled past or whatever and I thought to myself, "Holy shit." Because you think about all of their all of the doors that come over and the desks that fold and the walls that change and all of the maneuvering that and and different cycles they have to go through in order to do a lockdown or what does a lockdown drill look like? And all of that being said, she makes a facicious, you know, joking, oh well, we'll just send a bunch of kids to you so they can teach you how to do a lockdown drill.

[00:35:42]The realness of that and the everyday practicality of that is nauseating. Is absolutely nauseating.

[00:35:53]>> Like nobody's talking about how this guy and from what I understand it was a fold out, right? Is it a transformer? Like it's a fold out rifle. Nobody's talking about how that got anywhere close to the building. Nobody's talking about why does that why is that allowed to exist in the first place? Nobody's talking about any of it. In fact, nobody's really talking about the shooter at all.

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[00:39:33]>> Nobody's really talking about the shooter at all.

[00:39:36]>> No, >> nobody's really talk about the shooter in Butler. We didn't We're no longer talking about the shooter that killed Charlie Kirk. between you and me and and everyone who's listening, the whole thing is just weird, right? As someone smarter than me said, look, I'm no national security expert, but even I know that if there's an attempt to kill the president, you take the vice president to a separate and secure location, right? Even if you take all of these people at their word from this event that this was a real threat, they still had Donald Trump, JD Vance, Marco Rubio, Pete Hegsathth, Mike Johnson, Cash Patel, almost all the cabinet in the same room at the same time in an act of war and then someone was allowed to get in the building with a gun, right?

[00:40:19]And then they move from the hotel to the White House and they put the same group of people, the entire line of succession in the same room again. who is making these decisions because either the Secret Service is either incompetent or they are complicit. Because whether you believe this happened or not, you would think that like the Secret Service who are now >> their third attempt of the president's life should all be replaced at the very least because they're terrible at their jobs.

[00:40:46]>> Who was the designated survivor? Have you seen that show? I want to know in this situation >> who who was Keeper Sutherland?

[00:40:55]>> I think we should figure that out. Yeah.

[00:40:57]Well, if we had a media, maybe they could. Listen, for me, this all hearkens back to the Butler assassination attempt. Because, as I said back then, there was just no way the Secret Service allowed a shooter to get on that roof with a perfect visual clear line of sight to this stage. There is no way that all of the police on site who were told that there was a guy on the roof with a gun just ignored it. There is no way. The security moved photographers down for the perfect shot after the president had gone down. There's no way that flag just happened to lower. For the love of God, there is no way a 70-year-old man's ear was shot and doesn't have a single mark on it today.

[00:41:40]I still have holes from like piercings that I had that didn't go right. Like you can't get rid of that. Like give me none of it makes sense. So look at the way the Secret Service behaved in the moment on this White House correspondence center that they heard about the shooter over the weekend. They left Trump completely unprotected. They removed JD Vance before they removed him. Over the years, we have heard stories from other presidential assassinations about attempts about Secret Service agents picking up the president to remove him from danger so fast that they broke his ribs. That was Reagan. Or their feet didn't even touch the ground because they like pick them up and throw them in a car, right? And here we have Trump stumbling and falling. The whole thing is a chaotic mess. And then less than 40 minutes later, he has a fully prepared speech and everyone's in that room all smiles.

[00:42:26]Can we talk a little bit about that freaking picture that was taken in the room in the in the White House press conference room with all of those people that were there at the event? Because none of those faces were the faces of people who had just survived an assassination attempt.

[00:42:40]>> No, not not even close. They're smart.

[00:42:43]>> Not even close. I'm like, are you laughing? Listen, if Hexgith, there's a lot of people I dislike. Pete Hexith might be I mean, outside of Miller, might be at the top of my list because he has a a drunken, disgusting like everything about him screams, I am the worst person in the room and I'm going to smirk like this because I have all the But here's the funny part. It's done. Meaning whatever you wanted to fashion, whatever you wanted to manipulate, whatever you wanted, you've broken your ability to control anything.

[00:43:24]The people that are going to believe you are going to believe you when they say the sky is red anyway. Moving along.

[00:43:29]Everybody else is never going to believe anything you put out again. Ever. And you did that. Part of me sees that as being sort of this moment or this this forced moment of a pure possible revolution because you've burned it to the ground. Nobody stands up anymore. I don't believe anybody anymore ever.

[00:43:54]Ever. And that's not just you've burned it all to the ground. You have media over here. You have politicians over here. You have, you know, podcasters over here. 90% of the time I'm just like, well, I'm checking. I'm checking and if I can't figure out how to check it, I'm just negating it as information alto together.

[00:44:12]>> Yeah, >> you've burned it all to the ground. So, you think you're weaponizing something here. You think you you've gotten smart and you got one over on the people.

[00:44:21]Nobody cares.

[00:44:23]>> The same person that people who liked you, the same 27% or whatever that liked you on Friday night, that's the same percentage today. This did nothing. This isn't standing on that stage with your hand up in the air with ketchup dripping down your ear. Not the same event.

[00:44:39]You've broken it all. You've broken it all.

[00:44:43]>> And and the more that people say that, we are left in this position of what the hell do we do next? Because if we can't agree on anything, if we can't have a truth put forward and and people kind of go, "Yeah, I see this is it. I'm seeing this as being the the foundation of something." If we can't agree on that anymore, what what the hell do you think democracyy's going to do with that? What do you think the economy is going to do with that? Like everybody likes to say, "Well, it's just about the dem, you know, democracy and voting and pol." No, no, no, no. If I no longer believe what you're selling, I don't believe the extensions of it either. I don't believe the stock market. I don't believe what oil's trading at. I don't believe the functionality or the legitimacy of mass corporations. anymore. And if I don't believe in those things, if I can't buy into a fundamental understanding that we all share, that is the essence of the collapse of a society.

[00:45:45]>> Yeah. I mean, people always say all the time like money only has value because we collectively agree it has value, right? Like these people in our government only have power because we collectively agree they have power. I mean, the thing is is that like I think about if you have not seen this picture and you're listening to this, I want you to go to the picture of this press conference with Donald Trump at the podium and every single person in the line of succession over to the side. I don't know if they didn't think they were on camera, but the looks on all of their faces are not normal for people who were in an alleged shooting minutes before because if it was real, these people are sociopaths and if it was fake, these people are criminals. And the thing is is that what we have to remember is that when they were there doing this press conference, we did not have this manifesto yet. Okay? The man who had the gun, he didn't even make it down to the floor they were on, right?

[00:46:38]Like he was stopped on a different floor. So we don't even know, we did not know at the time that Trump was even the target, right? Like it was could be someone who hated the press, who had been told continually they were the enemy of the people. Maybe he wanted to take a bunch of the press out. We didn't know anything. And yet the administration immediately released the shooter's name. They told us he was from California. They released security camera footage within the hour. Trump had his ballroom speech and his coordinated right-wing influencer campaign ready to go. And then they're all in this room smirking their faces off. I think we have to be really serious and I want to talk a little bit about the people who are like, "Okay, listen. Don't be a conspiracy theorist.

[00:47:19]Don't fall into their trap. Don't go down this rabbit hole." And I feel like I think I'm past that. Like to me those days are over. You're talking about like we just don't believe you anymore. I'm ready to say this was not a real assassination attempt in Butler. And I've said for a long time we know it wasn't because Trump literally never talks about it. He is still bitching about Rosie O'Donnell, but he never mentions the guy who almost blew his head off. That makes no sense. We all knew it was [ __ ] at the time, but we didn't make a fuss because we didn't want to sound like tinfoil hatwearing nutters, right? Then we have the 2024 election, which was deeply off. And yeah, maybe the result of an investigation into all those swing states going to Trump for the first time in years that that had ever happened or the polling places being bombed, maybe an investigation into that would have said, "Yep, listen. It was all fair. It was all fine." But we didn't even question it. We didn't even look into it because we didn't want to look like them. We didn't want to look like Stop the Steelers. We didn't want to look crazy. Elon has done so much shady stuff both with the election and Doge, but we didn't want to cause waves because we didn't want to act like them. And I'm starting to feel like that was part of the plan, right? That they would expect us to not question it because then we would look like them.

[00:48:38]>> That's right. That's right. You set up an irrational, insane logic that you get held to account. to which by the way, nobody in his administration, not a single person will ever say he lost that election today. Not one. And you keep that going. Keep that going in order to take it off the table. And you do that with the corroboration of the media because the media stopped asking any important questions. They stopped.

[00:49:09]Nobody got in the way of any. By the way, I remember the 2000 election very, very well, right? I remember Gore and Bush. I remember those everybody holding those stupid ballots up to count the Chads. And in that moment, and what frustrates me about that moment is speaking of electoral fraud. In that moment, >> I'm like, that's where we took a turn on the bad timeline.

[00:49:33]>> I think it look JFK, you done bought that election, too. I think in that moment, Gore made a decision. I don't know if it's the right one or the wrong.

[00:49:44]I can't decide anymore, guys. Gore made a decision to not challenge the legitimacy of US elections because if he did, nobody would ever trust them again.

[00:49:56]Donald Trump took that as a I'm going to challenge the legitimacy of elections so nobody will ever trust them again.

[00:50:05]>> Yeah. Because Gore believed in the institutions and thought that was more important than his own win. And Donald Trump doesn't believe in anything. And the only thing to him was his own win. I mean, look, here's the thing that people need to remember. This event happened.

[00:50:19]It was a real event. A man ran through a checkpoint.

[00:50:23]But then we were fed he was shot. He had a shotgun. He wasn't shot. We heard multiple weapons. He had multiple weapons. No, he just had a shotgun. He's dead. He's not dead. He's uninjured. And then they blame us for questioning the narrative. Right? And I think the confusion is not the fault of society.

[00:50:40]It's the fault of the distortion and lies that have been fed to society to the point where as you're saying we just don't buy it anymore. And crazy things keep happening and I think we have to look into them. Even if people call us conspiracy theorists, Donald Trump has been a con man his entire life. He has lied to people his entire life. We just keep giving him the benefit of the doubt. And being the bigger person has left the opposition near powerless. So, I got to tell you, I'm entirely past the high road. Like, you were talking about Pete Haggath. There is a picture people should look up of Pete Haggath right after the press conference and he's in the wings and it's just a picture of him in the wings and there was just a shooting and this horrible thing just happened and you have to look at this picture because >> it is not a conspiracy theorist who thinks that his face is suspect. It is a logical person who looks at that picture and says, "Nah, man. Something is really off here." And that is what we have to focus on.

[00:51:41]>> I also do think I I and I know we're blaming the media here, but we we there is there is a level of personal accountability that as citizens, Canada, the United States, it doesn't matter. You are intelligent. You are empathetic. You you for the most part walk around this world watching beautiful people do beautiful things.

[00:52:04]>> Yeah.

[00:52:05]>> How dare you choose to believe narratives that you think serve you but you know you know are flatout lies. We need to stop believing ridiculous promises.

[00:52:20]I'm going to lower your taxes. You're going to get more social services. It's not a war. It's a conflict. I'm not taking away rights. I'm just giving more to the states because that's what we need to stop as an intelligent group of individuals believing in things so easily and negating any personal responsibility to actually do the investigation, do the learning. Use your common sense rather than vote for rainbows and puppy dogs and hopes and dreams that your future's going to get better and that steel plant's coming back to your town in Michigan and everything's going to be the way it was for your dad back in 1982. Stop. You got to stop. And you got to start to understand your position in the world, our existence interconnectivity and how everything we do and everything everybody does is going to have a a net benefit or a net drawback. And we need to start talking about that. Stop talking about just your community. Stop talking about just your state or province or whatever. You need to understand this is a holistic issue.

[00:53:33]It's a holistic problem. And until we start understanding that, we're just going to allow people with billions in control of the local station or the last social media app to run the kind of propaganda that serves their interests.

[00:53:49]>> Yeah. There's a writer I like named Mandy Matney and they said something that really resonated with me. She said, "Look," and I think this is how a lot of us feel. She said, "I'm exhausted as an American. I'm exhausted as a journalist.

[00:54:02]I'm exhausted. This administration sucks up all of the air in every single news cycle and leaves no room for any other stories that matter and I'm sick of the chaos. And the thing is is that I I have to understand because we were told this was always the plan. Steve Bannon told us they were going to flood the zone with [ __ ] The point was to exhaust us, to beat us down, to keep us confused and divided and make it impossible, as you were saying earlier, to tell fact from fiction, right? That it's gone from what is the truth to there is no truth, so what is the point? Right? And I understand people want to just give up, but we cannot give up. And I think that's where we are right now. We have to be like, nope, I don't like this. We might have to build it all over again.

[00:54:48]That sounds really hard. This is really impossible. But I think we have to kind of like pull up our sleeves. Because I often compare America to like a hoarder's house, right? Like you walk into a hoarder's house and you're like, "Oh my god." Like the mess is so astounding that you're like, "Uh, let's just burn the whole burn the whole place to the ground. Burn it to the ground.

[00:55:06]It's never going to be fixed." Right?

[00:55:07]But like we don't have the option for that. Th this is where we live, right?

[00:55:11]So we have to like pull up our sleeves and be like, "All right, let's get started on the institution of then let's get over to this and let's hire these people." And like I'm really excited that that Javier Bera is the leading candidate in California right now because I'm like he's the least sexy candidate, right? He's the most competent candidate. He's the one that actually has the chops to do the job because he's actually done all these jobs before. And I'm like, could we get back to that place? Like that's what we need to be focusing on. And this has been such a nightmare. And I think that this thing that happened over the weekend is only the pinnacle of where we are. And I think, you know, we let these people get away with it or we do not.

[00:55:48]Well, I I I don't think anybody's letting this particular, you know, administration, the the midterms will happen, he'll get rocked, he'll get impeached, and then nothing's going to happen. I'll tell you where you put your weight, and I and I'm speaking directly to Republicans with sense because I do believe there's a bunch of them. You put your weight on the senators, the Republican senators that have the audacity, that have the absolute disgusting, embarrassing character to know full well that he is a liar. He is destroying the United States of America. He's destroying your economy, by the way, minute by minute. They need to be the one. I'll tell you what, will the only thing that will turn the tables here and the only thing that's going to save the Republican party next election after the midterms and all the way down the line is if a group of Republicans finally got together and went, "We're not doing it anymore." Could you imagine?

[00:56:47]>> Listen, I'm ready for Thomas Massie to be speaker of the house. I'm like, just make Thomas Massie Speaker of the House.

[00:56:51]HE'S THE ONLY one with the freaking Republicans said we're done and we're going to at this moment negate our power because if it comes from the Democrats, it just looks like you're angry, right?

[00:57:04]We're going to we're going to give up our power. Why? because this country and saving this republic and this democracy is more important than us or my next election. You know, I'm telling the truth because I stand to lose everything. Give me 10 Republicans. Give me seven Republicans like that. And I'm telling you, and I hope the Republicans are listening. Maybe everybody can send this to them. If you do that, you've solidified the rest of your career.

[00:57:36]>> I can assure it. I can assure because once the fog of this insanity is gone and everybody stops talking about Barack Obama's faking birth certificate still when that's gone and people want to come back to some sort of intelligent politics it's going to be so far removed from the Republicans you're never going to see it again unless unless you stand up now.

[00:58:02]>> Yeah. convict him >> and you'll you'll be a leader for life and everyone will vote for you because we will have belief in you. Yeah.

[00:58:08]>> Parties historically have been destroyed, have been overturned, have been broken down and reconfigured. Don't think we're at the end game. There's no and this is it forever, right? The wigs transformed. The Democratic Republican party transformed. The Republican party was born, not this Republican party, but a version of a Republican party under Lincoln was born in a certain era at a certain point of time where you need it.

[00:58:39]Republicans be Lincoln.

[00:58:42]Be Lincoln. It's sitting right there for you. But somebody's got to do it.

[00:58:48]>> Somebody's got to do it, man.

[00:58:50]>> Yeah.

[00:58:51]Who wouldn't want two Canadian girls running uh America?

[00:58:54]>> I'm just saying.

[00:58:56]Mullell it over.

[00:58:57]>> Mullell it over. We do a good job.

[00:59:01]>> Adjust the Constitution.

[00:59:03]>> We'll see where it I'm just saying. And can I just say and I know we're running out of time here, but I want to say I I do want to give a shout out to that guy who never stopped eating his dinner.

[00:59:15]>> I know. Have you seen that video, guys?

[00:59:18]If you haven't seen that video, you guys, there's a guy who's sitting on the floor with his spoon coming up.

[00:59:22]>> He wasn't sitting on the floor. I saw him sitting his chair. Just keeps eating.

[00:59:26]>> Oh, there's another guy under the table and his food is just coming down and then a bunch of women went around and grabbed a bunch of wine and just took it home with them. I mean, the whole thing was so ridiculous. Listen, I want to thank you so much for joining us today.

[00:59:38]I mean, I I just couldn't think of anyone better to talk to. Please tell people how they can follow your work moving forward because your opinions and your thoughts on things are always the best. Oh, thank you so much. Unlearn 16 on Tik Tok, on Instagram. I have Unlearn 16 classes in session as a podcast if you want to really jump into the fray and come over on Twitter. Uh, and yes, I refuse to call it anymore. It's unlearn 16 tweet and that's it. Doing speaking engagements all over Canada. Can't come to the United States just yet. I don't think they'll let me in. But as soon as y'all get >> I'm afraid they're not going to let me out.

[01:00:09]>> I'm surprised you, if I were you, I would be moving around too much.

[01:00:14]>> I know everyone thinks that. But but here's the thing, Joanna. Like if the people who believe in this country leave, who's left to fight for it? And where are we supposed to be? Like nobody is safe anywhere in the world if America goes full authoritarian? We need people that are like, I'm willing to take this on. Like look, I was given a terminal diagnosis 18 years ago. I'm still here.

[01:00:33]So it's it can't be to like live a lovely little life in Toronto. That can't be the reason, right? Like I have to stay here. I have to fight. If this is my journey, it's my journey.

[01:00:42]>> All right, fine. I'll come. Just open the back door. I'll sneak in in Michigan.

[01:00:47]>> Solid.

[01:00:48]>> Okay. Fantastic.

[01:00:49]>> Solid. Talk to you soon.

[01:00:51]>> Have a great day.

[01:00:54]>> So, that was Joanna Johnson reminding us that this isn't the endgame. History shows us that things can be chaotic and horrible, but we just keep going. We just won't be able to do anything productive to get out of this mess if we can't agree on anything. That we need to act as a collective in America and honestly in the world. because if we don't, we're going to be picked off one by one until there's only these monsters left. I want to thank Joanna for joining us today and you for caring enough about this country to be here. Until next week, PG out.

[01:01:28]Before you go, I want to remind you that the American government is trying to silence any voices that don't tow the party line. This past weekend, and the media ridiculousness that came with it is the perfect example of this. They want state-run propaganda, which is why we need to fund independent media.

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