“It’s Welfare, Not WARFARE!” | Starmer Vows to Fight Andy Burnham for Labour Leadership

[00:00:00]Right, let's go straight over to uh my first guest. He is Ben Hhabib. Uh former boss of the Advanced UK Political Party.

[00:00:09]He was big enough and responsible enough to disband that party. He's now the chairman of the Great Political Action Committee, the Great British Pack. Uh welcome, Ben. Uh before before we uh talk, >> uh let's play uh Star. Uh Stalmer was interviewed by the BBC about this catastrophe yesterday. Surely the beginning of the end for him. The shock resignation of John Healey followed in quick succession by his uh defense uh minister his deputy al Khn's a decorated military hero. Both of them saying you are you star pursue policies that put this nation at risk. There is no greater indictment of a government than that.

[00:00:57]This is Starmer talking to the BBC earlier.

[00:01:00]>> I'm not going to walk away. Um I don't think we should plunge the country into the chaos of a leadership um election.

[00:01:07]>> But if that happens and you stand, wouldn't you be a contributor to that chaos?

[00:01:10]>> If I Well, I don't think it should happen. Um but if it does, like I will fight. And let me just be clear with you, that's not about personal vanity.

[00:01:20]It's not about a stubbornness. It's out of a very deep sense of duty. I was elected to serve this country notwithstanding the difficult circumstances. Um that is what I am doing. Um and in the last few weeks um others have um you know made their own case. I've been concentrating on the job I was elected to do which is to deliver for this country. This is about a sense of service and duty. It's not vanity.

[00:01:50]It's not stubbornness. It's duty.

[00:01:54]>> It's vanity. Uh, by the way, send for the men in white coats. This man is now living in a deluded bubble. Uh, just again, Ben, uh, this is your friend Nigel Starmmer's uh, reaction. Uh, and we've blended in uh, what Star said just a few days about ago about his sacred duty. Watch this. Principled resignations in politics are rare, but I think that's what we saw yesterday from John Healey and from Al Kahn. They're leaving because the government will not commit to increase defense spending at a time when we've probably never been more under threat. The government happy to splurge vast amounts of money on disability benefits for those that don't need them, tens of billions a year on a mad net zero agenda, and much else. And yet, defense has gone back to the bottom of the pile. And just think of it, our nuclear submarines aren't working. It took us 3 weeks to send a single vessel to Cyprus at the outbreak of the Iran war. We are frankly defenseless. It's a serious situation, which means the prime minister has failed in his primary duty, which is to protect the country. My first duty, the duty above everything else is to keep our country safe and to keep our people safe. That is the top most important duty of any prime minister and it's the one, as I say, that I hold very, very close every single day.

[00:03:27]>> Ben, do you think our prime minister needs psychiatric help?

[00:03:33]>> I don't think it'll do any good. It certainly won't help the people of this country if he gets psychiatric help. I mean he is absolutely no doubt deluded.

[00:03:43]But you know he talks about the need to serve this country. He's not serving this country. He is serving extreme forms of ideology and and often foreign powers. In his case he's absolutely in love still with the European Union. And this is the problem with this government and indeed governments before his that they don't serve the interests of the British people. They have been hooked on this diet of internationalism, liberalism, net zero, hanging uh our national interests out to dry in the pursuit of this commitment to these ridiculous to to these ridiculous goals.

[00:04:19]And one of the reasons British politics has become so much of a basket case is because ever since 2016 when the British people voted to leave the European Union effectively to leave this global order, leave global liberal net zero madness behind and start doing things for this country. Every single government since then has rejected that mandate. And we've seen that in the polls. every successive election we see fewer people voting because they're sick and tired of successive governments making promises to serve the British people and then not doing it. Dharma does not serve the British people. He hasn't served the British people. He could have actually pivoted when he saw the writing on the wall uh given the direction of travel that the Tories created but instead he actually goldplated that direction and he's made things materially materially worse. And when he talks about the security of the country, it's not just the military. It's also protecting our borders from illegal migration. He couldn't care less about that. They've taken zero practical real steps to protect against illegal migration. And of course, we've seen successive now murders of by people who shouldn't be in this country of innocent British civilians. That is an assault on our country which they have turned turned they've turned their face against for decades. Starmmer is just one politician in a long line of politicians who stood against the British national interest.

[00:05:46]And it was interesting to hear Farage talking about how rightly, by the way, talking about all these other things that Stalm has been pursuing. But it is the pursuit of all those other things that make it impossible to do what's right for the security of this country.

[00:06:01]If you practice multiculturalism, if you welcome into the bosom of the United Kingdom antithetical cultures that would wish to do us harm, you're standing in opposition to our security. If you practice diversity, equity, and inclusion, uh, discriminating in favor of ethnic minorities, giving them top jobs in the military, top jobs in the RAF, the Navy, and so on, you're going to set aside meritocracy and therefore the right expertise that should be in positions of authority in our various military services so that we are we've got the best people doing doing those jobs. But we don't. We're practicing a set of policies that are extreme in the damage that they're doing to this country and as I say successive governments have refused to change direction. Stara is just one more politician in that long line of failures.

[00:06:51]>> Uh indeed uh and you're right basically we have a government uh that are wedded to their ideological outlook uh and that takes priority over the realities of running the country. Uh so it's welfare not warfare. Uh they refuse to take a single penny off our350 billion pounds a year welfare budget uh bill welfare bill and rising. It's going to be420 billion soon. They refuse to take a penny off that. Ed Miban won't take a penny off his grotesque budget for his net zero lunacy. Uh and in fact, every single cabinet minister apparently refused to give over a penny apart from business secretary Peter Kyle who made it clear in interviews today and yesterday that as soon as he was asked he realizes the importance of defense and said you could take whatever you want that's more important than anything else. The point is all these lefties now all this backbenches and the cabinet going oh you know they want to take money away from schools and hospitals look schools and hospitals very important in HS they need uh funding as much funding as possible but let you know let me tell you a cold hard truth Ben and I I'm sure you will agree there is something that is more important than schools and hospitals >> and it's the defense of the damn nation and and This government doesn't understand it. Starmmer doesn't understand it. John Healey understood it. Decorated military hero. Al Khan's understood it. And that's why they quit yesterday. We're in big trouble now.

[00:08:30]Mate, >> we are in big trouble. Um, but as I say, it's not just the military spending that's an issue here. It's the entire approach to governance. We actually don't care. First of all, our government, I I think would be challenged to define what it means to be British. I don't think they know. Um and and that sets the foundation of their inability to put British citizen interests first to protect our borders to make decisions in the national interest. And these things collectively come together to undermine our security.

[00:09:02]It's not just about spending money on buying tanks or whatever it is, though we don't do enough of that. It's the entire mindset and the legal framework surrounding the country that has undermined our security. And we need a sea change of attitude, a sea change uh in uh our legislation, a reversal of the um this progressive movement uh towards um internationalism, setting down our borders, taking the knee to the global order, becoming more muscular as a United Kingdom. I I I saw I I may have mentioned this on your program before, but if you look at the fleet, the British naval fleet in the 1953 coronation after World War II, after we were no longer the global superpower that we were, it stretches out as far as the eye can see. You look at our fleet now, it's about two ships, one of which doesn't work. It It's an embarrassment.

[00:09:59]I was speaking to Rare Admiral um uh Perry, the other Chris Perry the other.

[00:10:05]Yeah. and he was telling me that on the day that Argentina invaded the Forklands, our navy was 96% battle ready. Within two hours, his ship, of which he was a captain, was 100% battle ready and was heading to the for days it took to get together the task force.

[00:10:24]There was something like 45 ships in it and uh it sailed directly to the South Atlantic. That's what we used to be like. That was Margaret Thatcher's Britain. Uh now we're living in Kia Starmer's uh excuse for a Britain. It's unbelievable. Listen, I've got to ask you this, Ben. Uh when you uh if you like disbanded advance UK, that was uh an honorable move on your part, if I may say so, because you uh fear that a divided right could lose this country to a united left, and that will be disastrous for this country. So, uh well done for that. Uh thank you. Now your friend uh Robert Low is not showing such responsibility I might uh suggest. Uh and he is going to uh by all accounts I don't disbelieve them either. uh he's going to lose ma makerfield for uh reform UK and therefore Bernham will get in and that will uh he will soon be prime minister and if you think we're in trouble with Starman now you wait till that chip and gravy eating lefty gets in we'll be in bigger trouble don't you think he should step down >> no I don't actually not in not in a bi-election I I understand that Bernham is a toxic individual. He's toxic, but he's particularly toxic because he's plausible, but toxic, you know, and that makes him doubly dangerous because um you know, he he may find himself as prime minister and he may be able to convince hoodwink the British people into following him. But, and this is a big butt, 2029 is an absolutely critical general election for this country. We have to make sure that whatever government takes office is a government that actually understands the problems this country is facing. can articulate those problems, find the solutions for those problems, articulate those solutions, and then deliver.

[00:12:22]>> Let me just stop you. Let me let me stop you for a second there. You're being very loyal to your friend Robert. And I've got a lot of >> I've not been loyal to Robert. Okay.

[00:12:30]Okay. Okay. Uh if he stood down, >> then we wouldn't get lumbered with Burnham.

[00:12:35]>> No.

[00:12:36]>> So, it's more than just it's more than just a biiction. This is this is a crossroads in the future of this country. And Robert Lo is dictating the narrative and it's a narrative that's going to be disastrous.

[00:12:50]>> He He's doing this because he doesn't like Farage. We all know that.

[00:12:54]>> Well, yes, he may he may not be doing it because he doesn't like Farage. But I fear a Far >> You're not that keen on him yourself, are you?

[00:13:01]>> I'm not that keen on him myself. I I fear a Farage government being formed out of what is reform at the moment.

[00:13:10]Reform doesn't stand for anything. It pivots this way and that way. It's got a bunch of former failed Tory ministers in it, some of whom are remainers, pro-lock lockdown, pro- vaccination, pro- vaccine mandates, all that kind of thing. And it doesn't offer a solution. What Rbert Low I hope will do is put so much damn pressure on reform and the Conservatives that actually somehow which is the job I wanted advance to do before Restore Britain was launched put so much pressure on these people that actually by 2029 we get the right policies with the right people so that we can save the country. Now I don't think Rbert Lowe's got it all right. I think I don't like the structure of his party. I don't like some members of his party, some vocal uh spokesman for his party say things that I find very very challenging and difficult but he's going to bring pressure on Farage and he's going to bring pressure on Badnoff and that is a good thing right now.

[00:14:07]>> That's that's good Ben. But uh you know Maker Field will lumber us with Burnham and Rbert Lo should take a long hard look at himself if you ask me. Uh listen Ben, I've got to go. It's great to talk to you again though. Let's get you on again very soon. That's Ben Hhabib, chairman of the great political action committee. You know what I got to do now? We discussed the makerfields bi-election and everybody there. It's a democracy. You must vote for whoever you feel you want to be your MP. And uh due to broadcasting rules, here is the complete list of all the candidates there. Jake Austin, Liberal Democrats, Count Bimface, Count Bimface Party. Andy Bernham, the Labour Party. Dan Clark, the Libertarian Party. John Dyier, independent. Ed Gmel, Climate Party.

[00:14:51]Paul Gold independent. Alan Howling Lord Hope, The Official Monster Raving Looney Party. Robert Kenyon, Reform UK. Robert Powell, Protect the Wild. Rebecca Shepard, Restore Britain. Sarah Wakefield, Green Party. Peter Ward, Rejoin EU. Michael Win Stanley, the Conservative Party.