This Is The End for Andrew as King Charles FORCED to Hand Secret Evidence?

Added: 2026-05-25

[00:00:00]Since you mentioned Maxwell, can you tell me was Andrew at the go that night with Virginia Roberts?

[00:00:09]>> Well, >> why have you decided to talk now?

[00:00:14]>> Because and there is no good time.

[00:00:17]>> One of Epstein's accusers, Virginia Roberts, has made allegations against you. She says she met you in 2001. She says she dined with you, danced with you at Nightclub in London, >> just outside Buckingham Palace. So, Patrick, we're being told that Andrew has been released. Uh, but is well, today we're going to discuss quite a lot of things in regards to the former prince, also known as Andrew Mambbatton Windsor, and nobody better to do that than Matthew Steeples. Hello, Matthew.

[00:00:54]How are you? Hello and good afternoon from a very warm London where we've just had the glorious Chelsea FL show and uh people are wandering around in the summerware looking and they can't cope with the heat. It's that absolute ridiculous thing because British people moan about the weather when it's hot and they moan about it when it's cold and they moan about the rain >> and they just embrace whatever we've got and just have to make the most of it.

[00:01:16]And you know, we've got things like the Chelsea Flower Show going on and obviously the royal family were, you know, they paid part part in that this week and um you know, there's some positive things that they've been up to, but um obviously they've had some rather negative news. what not only with the publication of the paperback edition of Andrew Low's book and but also the revelations of these 11 files that have come out because of the humble address in parliament.

[00:01:49]>> Why now? Why didn't they release this files when it was 2021 2022 while the queen was alive? I am 57 years old and um when in 2000 I remember the queen very publicly lobbyed for her son to get that job. Now >> yes it was the queen it was the queen's express wish for him to carry out two or three specifically targeted trade promotion visits in overseas markets each year. That was how it was communicated by um one of the memos from the British trade international CEO Sir David Wright to Robin Cook who was of course foreign secretary. He he the memo was sent to him. It was basically saying he would be a natural fit. Um the no other member of the royal family would be available to succeed the Duke of Kent. So the Duke of York's um adoption of this role would seem a natural fit was exactly it was the queen's express wish um she definitely wanted him to do this. She wanted him something to do but um she was very specific about how he ought to do this. You know he wasn't to be sent um to play golf. Don't send him to play golf abroad. um he should ask act as a host of meals or receptions as appropriate was the description given in these documents. Um of course these documents the excuse from the government has been that you know it's 25 years ago recordkeeping was very different back then it's very easy to hide behind that.

[00:03:23]Um civil servants are very good at keeping bits of paper in filing cabinets for as long as they possibly can. You know, they love to come after you in that way, whether it's their revenue and customs or whoever. When normal people get into trouble, they're very keen to have your records. So, why can't we see all their records? Records are sealed.

[00:03:42]And these are not public figures like Andrew, but they're sealed until, you know, 2017, 2018. With with Andrew, the majority is sealed. And in this in these 11 files, what I would say is most interesting is what we don't see.

[00:03:58]forget. And what we do see is, well, we already kind of knew that. So, >> what I gather is that they're trying to make it sound that the queen wanting Andrew to do this was a secret when I it wasn't a secret at all.

[00:04:12]>> I talked to people from all walks of life and this a gentleman who's, you know, lovely gentleman from Romania who is happy to talk about this. And he he said to me, you know, did the queen really know? And of course she really knew. Of course, she knew what was going on. This woman, you know, the queen was an elegant lady of great stature, but of course she knew about things that were going on that were going to be unsaavory. She just chose to let her favored son get away with it because for some reason this was her blind spot. We all have blind spots. We all support people we shouldn't. In the case of a monarch, you know, it is very telling that this monarch chose to just go, okay, let it go. You know, having read through the documents, I would say, why was he appointed? You know, there is the question there. There was a note saying he is not very experienced, why not someone better placed? Um, then they prepared 24 questions for the media.

[00:05:16]those questions were to be answered in very specific ways. You know, would he be paid? Told to answer no. Well, he wasn't paid, but he was paid vast expenses. And ultimately in 2011, that's what got him into the trouble with this whole matter because his expenses were excessive and crazy and involved things like massage part, you know, women and things like that. Um they they said, you know, we did not pay for his personal protection officer, but you know, that's already provided for him anyway. He gets that. Um, the other day when I was doing a little walk around London, I I ran into somebody who had dealt with this matter. And again, I can't name this person. You know, you know about protecting sources, but I can tell you this person witness many things. When Andrew used to turn up at a certain place in London, there would be three, there would only be three officers with him. You know, many people I talked to think, oh, well, he's the prince, Prince Andrew, the queen, second son. goes around with, you know, 50 people that he would go in through one door and Gileain Maxwell would go in through another door at the place they used to meet. And this was a public place, but they it has private rooms obviously and you know that is how he operates. He he had his his Metfunded police officer. It says officer, it doesn't say officers. So that he was traveling with of them. But then they were they were going to they agreed they would be paying for travel and related expenses. Related expenses.

[00:06:43]>> This is where we get into the troubled area. How he got himself into the trouble because what are related expenses? In his view, you know, he liked to travel around and have his massage table and all the rest of it, which you know, in most businesses, if if you were put in a claim for traveling with a massage board, you would be rejected from that claim. Um >> because you you're talking about him getting paid, but then he got a lot of perks. For example, they ended he ended up selling that dilapidated mansion Sunny Hill. It was full or three million pounds over the already enslaved.

[00:07:19]>> Yes. So in in 200 2008 March, Chris Bryant, the MP, who himself has had a pretty ridiculous series of scandals in his life. You know, this is a man also photographed on the Grinder gay website in his underpants. But um but Chris Bryant in 2008 called for Andrew to lose his job over first the friendship with Scythe Gaddafi who was obviously Colonel Gaddafi's son. And then of course Timour Koul I don't know how you pronounce it.

[00:07:48]Kulv the Kazakhstan president's son who purchased the Sunning Hill Park residence for 15 million.

[00:07:56]>> Yeah. when it was asking 12 million and it was falling down and the the local council were about to take it over and turn it into a house of multiple occupation, do something with it. So, you know, and that and then they built a new house there and no one's ever lived in it and it's all very very the whole place is just odd. Let's be honest. Even this Chris Bryant who has done this who spoke about these files this week, you know, he was asking questions back in 2008 and this is just after, you know, Epstein has got out of prison and um for the first time round and this this is a an absolute scandalous state of affairs that now we're saying, oh well um it's taken us all this time to find these files. You know, we're now in May. It was in February. We had this humble address and these pathetic MPs were there blabbering away about, oh well, we must get the victims justice and all this. These people don't have a clue what they're talking about. Most of them weren't even there. This Bryant man, yes, he was, but Robin Cook is obviously dead. Um, you know, he died at the top of a mountain, but many of the other people involved in the story, of course, have passed on as well. So, we're not going to get very much information, but in some of the files, he said things some of some of the information were things like he would rather go to the ballet um rather than the theater.

[00:09:22]I'm sorry, this man's meant to be a trade end boy. You know, do we really have to pick what whether he wishes to choose to to watch the Nutcracker or or Oscar Wild? You know, this is absolutely farical that this over ententled little man thinks that he could go around the world doing this thinking that's going to help British trade. What use is he as a trade envoy? I don't see it. I Paula, do you you think he's do you think he had any quality that would have added to business? Since we're talking about Gileain Maxwell, since you mentioned Gileain Maxwell, can you tell me was Andrew at the go that night with Virginia Roberts?

[00:10:04]>> Well, um I can tell you exclusively for your channel today that I had a meeting with somebody recently um who is a very high ranking person in British society and respected and has achieved a lot.

[00:10:20]Um, they happened to be originally Australian and they told me that they were in nightclub which they thought is a to be a ghastly place. They didn't like it. Now I I know I've known the owners of I perfectly had nice times there. It's been changed recently. I've never been since it's been changed. But um, was a place that they happened to be that very night. These people have multiple secretaries working for them. They are they their diaries are very you know regiment. They remember what happened when and they remember being in that premises and and being in the presence of Andrew. They were not dining with him but they remember meeting Virginia.

[00:11:07]They remember a blonde Australian woman.

[00:11:10]Now it could have been a different blonde Australian woman. that the person concerned has a very good memory and she believes it to be her. She's not particularly she wasn't particularly a great fan of what's gone on in the time since, but she confirmed to me that um she had seen that. Now, of course, if we go back further, there was a lady who' said that that Prince Andrew had trodden on her toe and she remembered it. So that gives now a couple of people who have got memory of this. So his his allegation that he was not there is getting >> Pizza Express.

[00:11:52]>> Yes, the Pizza Express allegation is looking weaker and weaker and of course Lady Victoria Harvey who's downing the Can Film Festival probably still haven't seen her in a while, but she she will tell you that the photograph is a fake.

[00:12:06]it doesn't exist and she's entitled to her view about that but she wasn't present there. This lady who I mentioned um claims and she's a reliable person that she witnessed Andrew present with a blonde Australian woman who was she distinctly remembers as Australian and blonde that very night. Now that is that is very very important.

[00:12:35]>> That is damning. That is very damning >> and these are not people who have a personal problem with these people. This is these are not gossipy people and I they know that I talk about these things. They did not have to tell me this if they could have kept themselves quiet about it. Um they didn't go and talk to you know say Andrew Lowi whose book came out this week um because maybe they don't want to be involved in that.

[00:13:01]But I can tell you that I have spoken with people and in the past I have been criticized because I have been criticized because I said you know 1990s then 1990s there was a met police investigation into Gileain Maxwell's property in London you know that was 2020 people criticized me and now they're talking about it things change but I I am very particular about my sources and I can tell you that my source of this information is a very reliable.

[00:13:32]>> It's impeccable. That is something that this is shocking because it's not whether that was Virginia or not. It's the fact that he was there that night which she had.

[00:13:41]>> Yes. All that matters is whether he was present because he his lie is that he wasn't there.

[00:13:47]>> Yeah, he was at Pizza.

[00:13:49]I can't remember being there. What what we could argue in his defense, if we were taking it that way, is he could have been there, but that doesn't mean he was in the house. We it doesn't prove him to have been in that house, but it proves the likelihood of being in that house to be far higher. And look, Gileain and you know, others have finally, you know, said, well, the setting looked genuine. Of course, Lady Victoria believes the dimensions are incorrect. Say 95% of that photograph is genuine. I'm I'm very But but you know, with with the Jeremy Bambber case, who's a man who's in prison as a you know, as he killed his entire family, um I went from being 40% convinced of his innocent to I'm now 99% convinced of his innocence. But of course there's always a possibility that I could be completely hoodwinkedked. And yeah, we all have to remember that there are people out there who are very clever at pulling people and there are holes in a lot of the stories of people associated with this whole matter on all sides of the story.

[00:14:57]You know, not everybody tells the truth.

[00:15:00]And where there's so much money involved, you know, and these banks are paying out such vast amounts of money, of course you're going to get the people who jump on the bandwagon and tell you that they are a victim when they're not.

[00:15:13]If you could get 20 million2 million pounds, 20 million pounds for saying, "Oh, I was abused by somebody." when you didn't even have to be abused by them.

[00:15:21]And it was like as easy peasy as that.

[00:15:23]And >> it is insane how Fergie never was investigated nor went to jail after in 2010 she was busted admitting taking money. I believe that this wasn't the first time >> and I think I think that this was the beginning of the end for Fergie and Andrew because she clearly with that even though she said he doesn't get involved. I do the dirty work but he knows about this give. So there was clearly a collusion. So to me in 2010 that was the beginning of the end for them because I think that they were having issues with Andrew but they couldn't get rid of him. And I think that by exposing that with Fergie that made it easier for the government to say okay we're closing down your shop here.

[00:16:05]What do you think? Well, I I think um the pair of them have always been an irritant to the nation in that sense, but she is the grubier grifter. And of course, that is that makes it very very hard to keep him in the fold because he wouldn't get rid of her. He even though they divorced, they continued to live together and they paraded around silly photographs. They they didn't separate their lives really. they they led that they were able to do whatever they wanted. It was a bit like with Gileain and Jeffrey Epstein, you know, Gileain brought in the girls because she didn't want to have to do it herself. She didn't want to be subjected to whatever gruesome things that monster wanted to do. So, she she went out into a park and she found innocent people to put in their her plate. And but she still wanted the money part of it. And that's what Fergie did with Andrew. You know, Fergie clearly was prepared to say, you know, you're having your lifestyle and I'll have mine. And you know, look at some of these horrible people she's been associated with. For instance, there's this Italian man who's got all this dodgy business situation. I can't I haven't got his name in front of me. Um, but he's he's being accused of sending threatening messages saying to people who didn't do as they wanted. You will be brought to Buckingham Palace and the security services will deal with you.

[00:17:27]And of course, he's denying all of this and saying this is all made up. But look, the the associations she's made have been absolutely disgraceful. This woman is a grubby little grifter. I have never I I I never realized that she was I thought she was just stupid. I thought she was just a childish, silly woman.

[00:17:50]And yes, there was we there was always the she she had the desire to have any old possession she could get and she just didn't know how to she was a spender holic. But I didn't think that necessarily made her evil. But the you know the the simple the shagging weekend email and marry me, be like my brother and all that with the people she knew she could get something out of financially who were people who were trying to climb who were rich. She would do that kind of trick and with the people who were respectable, who she knew it would be better to be seen with them to make herself look better. She would behave differently. I think that's how her playbook worked. She was trading off her own daughters and her, you know, her own niece and anybody that could go, anyone that would go, you know, it's appalling.

[00:18:39]>> Do you think that that that Fergie went as far as procuring girls for for Andrew?

[00:18:46]Well, I think from what you could see, she was quite willing to suggest the niece went and worked for him. And that's a 21-year-old girl who was blonde and tall and I say exactly his type. And she knew full well at this time that this man was a a wrong gun and, you know, had been in prison. So why would you do that to a young girl and say, "Oh, she can come and work for you.

[00:19:08]She'll be perfect." But that's that. But I that does not mean that she's committed criminality. so far that we know >> so far we know of but but look will we ever know you know how much more was you know some of this stuff was emails but a lot of it must have been phone calls as well we obviously never going to see those never hear those phone calls but >> it doesn't excuse what she's done the woman is reprehensible rotten and robbed and she deserves to rot in the gutter I don't know where she is now the Eugenie and Beatress again I was forgiving of them because you know it's not your fault who your father is but the Brit but but but they are now adults. They have to make a choice. Make a choice between duty and business commerce. If you want to be in commerce, don't live in St. James's Palace. Don't live in Kensington Palace. Don't go around pretending that you're doing work for the royal family. Those two either have to ditch their parents completely. And of course the story this morning again was um at from Andrew Lowi was that um that Eugenie had not even told her father she was pregnant. Well I think that I I think the father would probably have known that. Um that's a story that's quoted but I I just think that's a silly silly story but um you know >> and not a true one by the way because they are talking. I mean King Charles is still protecting Eugene and Beatatric.

[00:20:37]He just wished uh Eugenie happy. Her royal highness, the royal family's uh social media, her royal highness, Princess Eugenie's pregnant. She's going to be, I don't know, 15th in line to the throne. And yet, here we have the king making a special social media announcement of this woman.

[00:20:54]>> And you know what I wanted to ask you because this actually infuriated me.

[00:20:58]Like you said, if if they're not working royals, why do they have the titles?

[00:21:02]Because just now, especially with what happened with Andrew, right, with the girls and everything, um, Eugenie and Beatatric both were out with a chic or something celebrating this thing about Dubai. Why?

[00:21:16]>> Yes. Well, we talked about this before the the banking thing, you know, they shouldn't be there. They shouldn't be at all these art fairs to do with that.

[00:21:23]They should keep out of this unless if they want to do the royal thing. If they don't want the royal thing, go and do the commerce thing, but lose the title or lose the residences. The residences must get >> But they're still doing it. They're still doing it, Matthew, because they use their titles just now. And King Charles is advocating for that because he's not doing anything. He could literally say you can't use the titles.

[00:21:46]And he's allowing this to happen just like he's allowing it with Harry and Megan. Freedom of Information Act of 2000 was uh amended in 2010 after Charles letters were made public and it says that the communications between uh the monarch of the monarch, the heir and the second in line to the throne are exempt from all these requests. So why would they make this only certain files available that literally are damning to the queen and not then we can request that they make everything available because they can't pick and choose. They can't say we're going to get a humble request. We're going to let you know that the queen was very keen, but then we won't let you see what's in the rest of the documents because a lot of the documents are redacted.

[00:22:29]>> The red the redactions are ridiculous.

[00:22:32]And the monarchy have to finally accept that it's time for transparency. If they want to start a new era, they ought to go down the route of accepting that they've got to tell a lot more of the truth about what goes on. their expenses particularly need to be shared with people. But the these kind of historic documents that clearly are damning someone don't need to be covered up on the excuse to know it's personal and it might affect some trade relation. This was 25 years ago.

[00:23:06]It's not going to affect anything now because most of the people mentioned are probably dead. That's where this is very very strange. You know why? Why is it that the the main thing in those documents are inward and outward journeys? You know what who were on those journeys? That's what we need to know.

[00:23:24]>> Yes.

[00:23:24]>> Who was on those planes? That is who did he travel with? Who was his companion?

[00:23:30]Who you know were the young ladies traveling with him? Were there just, you know, innocent businessmen? You know, was it innocent business um you know, people? Or was it perhaps Jeffrey Epstein or you know was the who was on that play? You Epstein did go to Downing Street to meet Tony Blair. You know Gain Maxwell was photographed there. You know these people were present in this orbit.

[00:23:58]>> It opens the floodgates when they're trying to be clever. this is going to backfire because in my opinion it sets a precedent because now we know that the government has always had power to unredact documents or to show whatever documents they wanted to show and uh I think that they should make everything if you're you can't just say we're going to disclose that the queen was very keen because that suits our narrative that the queen is to blame and we had nothing we were the poor government >> it's the same as with the files in America you know there are still over nearly four million of those that are hidden and obviously it's the things that are hidden that most people want to know because that's where the real truth probably lies. Of course, we have to remember there is a temp's police investigation ongoing.

[00:24:45]>> Yeah. I wanted to ask about that. Do you think that this is going to go anywhere?

[00:24:49]>> So, the police investigation is it has reached a point where I think they're having a lot of problems. I don't think police investigation is doing especially well um from what I I read this morning that you know the investigation continues.

[00:25:09]They're considering allegations of sexual misconduct and their inquiry into the potential misconduct in public office. But they've had this lady who spoke this morning via her lawyer Bradley Edwards who said I will never speak to the police. So she was allegedly at Royal Lodge in 2010. She was in her 20ies. She spent a night with him allegedly. She then had a tour of Buckingham Palace of tea and all the rest of it. But she she has said, "I do not wish to risk losing my privacy even more. You know, some people don't want to speak out. This this lady has very clearly said this through, you know, Bradley Edwards who represents lots of victims. She's now reached a point where she doesn't want to say anymore. So, this is a problem for this case is because if these people won't go on record, then how do they convict somebody if there's no person willing to speak? And um >> can they force her to speak? Can they can they compel her to testify or give anything like that? I don't know how the law in the UK >> she commits acts of perjury, I suppose, in a in a court case. But um so the the the times this week said you know the claims that the tempame's valley police are struggling to build a case um they they say in response our door is always open and this all sounds a bit of a whitewash to me you know this is well you know we can't find anything so it will go away um then of course there's been an allegation of another incident a royal ascot 2002 uh that he behaved inappropriately towards a woman at the racing festival and I believe There were photographs of relatedness from what I the way I have understood it. Um and they say our investigation is being resourced the same way as a major crime probe such as murder.

[00:27:04]>> Murder. Did I hear?

[00:27:06]>> Murder because misconduct in public office is one of the highest offenses you could commit. So it's considered at the same level as treason and murder.

[00:27:14]Yes. So that's the level they claim they're investigating. Now that doesn't mean that it will go any this this is nobody has been charged. I do believe you know with Mandolson it's more likely to be dealt with in a very different way because Mandlesson's email trail is so clear in my view that you know again we don't know these things and we have to be what what Lai has said that they will try and bring charges but the Crown Prosecution Service will kill it. They know that he will call his own brother as a witness and his brother won't be able to be a witness in his own court and the case will collapse the same way that the Paul Burl the butler the creepy butler who was a complete awful horrible man. I only ever met that little rat once. He was truly gross. Um he still is. This you know this has reached a point where there will be the problem of it goes to court. It is the king versus the prop because Rex who is who are who who will bring justice is the representative of the king. So this is going to be a major problem. You know this goes back to you know the last time of anything any significance was the banqueting house 1649 when they put up the scaffold and put King Charles the first on it. That's that's the only level of comparison you could have to this. Okay, we've got a silly picture of him in the back of the raindrop. you know, and all that, but just the most that photographer. What an amazing man he is.

[00:28:48]>> Yes.

[00:28:49]>> I don't blame him for his.

[00:28:52]He's made two million by now. I salute him. I, you know, the truth needs to be told. And quite frankly, it would be better that we have a better monarchy, a monarchy that is more transparent. And I hope you to see, you know, with with Prince William and his father. I know you're not particularly a fan of his father, but I see better things being done by them than through this. But but with this situation, Mr. So Mr. Lowry's book came out on Thursday.

[00:29:25]He came to my dinner with a man called Peter Jukes. Peter Jukes runs the B line times, which is a brilliant crusading newspaper. Uh Mr. Lowry has added, you know, 41 pages, I think it is, to his book. Uh the new book in America comes out on um today. In fact, today is the date of publication 24.

[00:29:45]>> Well, I I know you contributed quite a lot by introducing him to many sources.

[00:29:49]So, that's very very good that he got you.

[00:29:52]>> So, um but he says that he he quotes in the book a staff member who says Andrew found a deeper has found a deeper connection with nature and animals to help him escape the daily stress of the unfounded allegations.

[00:30:06]Uh he regrets the burden he's placed on his family allegedly. He reportedly stated to this member of staff, but of course not named, um I won't try to kid you. My life has been turned upside down and be in a deep um seated sense of being alone in the world. I need to establish new routines and networks.

[00:30:27]Perhaps I'll end up doing it somewhere else. So maybe he is planning to go abroad. I But he can't go abroad yet.

[00:30:33]That's the key thing to remember. Is he banned from traveling? Is Prince And well is the former Prince Andrew banned from traveling?

[00:30:40]>> It was it has not been declared whether to as far as I'm aware if his passport was rescended but given he is um under investigation for an offense at this level that is a likely possibility.

[00:30:55]But equally if he did travel it would not look good for his brother and it wouldn't look good for anybody else. So of course he won't do that. But he obviously has a desire to leave >> and clearly do that.

[00:31:08]>> That is true. And he would be best to go to, you know, play golf or wherever or but he'd be best to go to this palace that he was given and go and live there.

[00:31:17]That's the best place for him. He he said money isn't an issue because I've made some shrewd business decisions over the years that afford me a good lifestyle. I've been completely misunderstood and I'm hopeful that one day the naked truth will finally out. I won't lie to you. This has been the most distressing experience of my life.

[00:31:43]So if this is true and this is what Larry is >> loaded, this jerk is loaded. I've been saying this. There's no >> my um my friend who's into the conspiracies he he has always said to me that you know he has plenty of money and I've always said you know that's the reason they're doing all this is because they're broke and maybe if this person's telling the truth there is plenty of cash floating around then >> well where are the millions because this guy I just learned he made like $3 million for writing a couple of emails uh through Norman Baker, I learned that Andrew recommended this thing and he got three millions. And this man, people like Fergie, Harry, Megan, and don't like to pay for anything.

[00:32:31]>> But but the minute they the minute they get this money, they spend it. It just goes. They're hopeless.

[00:32:38]>> Well, they seem to always need more, you know, they but they can't pay for anything. So they were either just being li they're lying and saying you know we have no money and sorry we can't pay won't pay or it's a very strange thing that he came out with this comment if he if it's true. Now Mr. Lowry has been accused by members of the media um of exaggerating and Mr. loudly has written to me to say there's a big story coming out, you know, about P. Diddy again and Fergie and it didn't come from him, you know, but he rightly says this is the most dramatic moment in royal history. I actually believe that I really do believe that the internet is a downfall and I believe that the royal family still doesn't want to grasp the severity of this and they still trying to hang on to mainstream media when mainstream media >> problem here um Paula is that um they consider people like Larry to be like Cromwell. They he's a he's they say this man's doing all the damage but let's remember they did the damage to themselves.

[00:33:42]>> Yes, >> they didn't have to behave in this fashion. If you choose to behave in a certain fashion, what do you expect? Um, you know, is Larry the anti- monarchist, as they say, or is he just doing the work that people wanted to hear? Well, the public I mostly speak to say they've read that book and they loved that book because it told them new things. They read Virginia's book and were horrified.

[00:34:04]You know, a lady had lunch yesterday who's Australian said to me, um, you know, she'd read it and thought it was a load of nonsense. Could Fergie now turn on the husband? Because that could be what the Metropolitan Police try to do next. Is if they choose to make her become the worm that turns, is that how they can get a conviction? But I think he could be right. The whole case would most likely collapse because you cannot have the king versus his brother. If Andrew, if Andrew's legal bills were being paid by his brother and his brother is bringing the court case against Andrew, that would be a complicated situation. Um, I don't think we have a historical precedent for that.

[00:34:49]So, I >> No, we don't. We sure don't.

[00:34:52]>> Um, but there we go. It's all It's all a rather murky thing. And um I I think the other thing we haven't we haven't yet touched upon is that Andrew was also asked to give up um his freedom of the city of London this week.

[00:35:07]>> Oo, that was that's brutal.

[00:35:09]>> So the city of London, the freedom of the city of London he'd inherited from his father. He was asked to to give it up and he refuses.

[00:35:17]>> Why can't they just strip him from that?

[00:35:19]Does he have to give it up? They can't say we we take it back.

[00:35:24]Um, no, they can't strip it because of his it's a they're saying European Court of Human Rights and Domestic Law, but he's choosing to keep this, which I don't know. This was a story in the mail. Whether there's much truth to it or they're just overexaggerating, >> it's odd that he would give up this particular >> so embarrassing that he got to that, you know.

[00:35:46]>> Yeah.

[00:35:47]>> Rather than him saying, you know what, I'm going to disassociate myself. That would be the most honorable thing to do, don't you think? and more classy thing to do.

[00:35:56]>> But this is a man who wants to fight back maybe and he wants to say here's line in the sand and I I'm not guilty of these things and I want to be able to be get my life back. But he's clearly delusional. He's sitting there playing I think it's called Warcraft or something.

[00:36:13]This game he plays >> Minecraft. Minecraft.

[00:36:17]>> Well, it could be that or some something.

[00:36:18]>> My son plays it. Minecraft.

[00:36:20]>> Oh, no. But anyway, he he that's his life now. And um what next? Um >> news that you'd like to guide us to your channel that you're coming up with your channel.

[00:36:30]>> Oh, well um well, there'll be more stories about um the matters of Maxwell.

[00:36:36]Um I'm very much interested in what's going on with Nicole Junkerman. I spoke with Peter Jukes very much about this the other evening. I think we need to highlight the other people involved in the story who, you know, only one woman has really been brought to justice for all of these monsters. Um, let's have some of these other people just question at the very least. Um, yes, the wheels of justice are spinning slowly for Andrew Mountbatton Windsor and Peter Mandlesson. But what about the bankers?

[00:37:06]Let's have them brought in. The bankers are the ones that make all the money.

[00:37:09]What about the other members of the Maxwell family who have seemed to have um you know moved on in life and done rather well in some instances >> even families and brothers and stuff like that.

[00:37:22]>> Mark Epstein goes on some of these other channels like for example Sean Atwood and I like much but I I don't think Mark Epstein is a reliable witness to get >> it. In many ways, I find that just blaming Andrew because he's such a public figure. It he's kind of been using like a distraction. Look here, like a magician's trick. Look here. Look here. Let the other pedos keep going kind of thing.

[00:37:44]>> The lunch ended yesterday. You know, people who connections in this sphere, >> they said, "The guy's a stupid idiot.

[00:37:52]He's complete He's he was a buffoon. Everybody liked him. But what about all the other ones? The really powerful ones? What about them? Why not get them? Why focus on him? You know this Richard Branson lovely individual he charming charming gentleman who goes bring your harim to the island.

[00:38:12]>> Yeah.

[00:38:12]>> Why is he not asked questions? Let's I'm not suggesting these people are guilty of anything. Naomi Campbell, you know, really a really class act is Naomi with her little parties on the yacht in Sanrope with Virginia wearing the very same outfit that she's photographed on, you know, wearing on the 10th of March 2001 in Kitton Street and at nightclub. Um, there she is at that very party of Flavio Bator, Bernie Eckleston.

[00:38:42]These people, let's have all of those people questioned. What about them? They are the rich, the powerful, the famous, and they're all protected.

[00:38:50]>> No longer.

[00:38:51]>> It should stop.

[00:38:52]>> The victims deserve justice. Well, thank you for coming.

[00:38:55]>> Thank you very much for your time.