Greg Stafford Admitted It… If All Creation Came Through Jesus, How Was Jesus Created? | Sam Shamoun

[00:00:00]How can all things, all creation come through the Son if he's not separate from all creation, which means he's uncreated. See what he did to himself? Poor guy.

[00:00:17]See what he did to himself? Let me enlarge it one more. In fact, I just so you can see.

[00:00:25]Poor guy, you see what he did to himself?

[00:00:33]See the burial, right?

[00:00:37]How can all things, all creation come through the Son if he's not separate from all creation and therefore uncreated. Unless you're saying that the Son came to existence through himself. See how stupid you are, Greg?

[00:00:57]And you don't see it?

[00:01:01]Did everyone catch it now?

[00:01:04]See why it's bad? Why Lord Jesus Christ went seeing how bad it is here.

[00:01:09]>> [clears throat] >> Page 381. In view of the distinction made in 1 Corinthians 8:6 between God the Father as the source of all things and the Son as his intermediary. So, what did the Son mediate?

[00:01:22]What did the Father create through the Son? All things.

[00:01:25]1 Corinthians 8:6 it is better to translate the on John 1:3 as well as Colossians 1:16 and Hebrews 1:2 as through to express the Son's biblical role in creation.

[00:01:34]Then he quotes Origen and shows, see?

[00:01:37]All the ages are through the Son, but the source of them, someone bigger and greater than the Son. And I'll do a post on Origen tonight, God willing. But look what he admits.

[00:01:51]Look what he admits.

[00:01:53]>> [cough] >> While [clears throat] Origen chooses to make the distinction in terms of the two Greek prepositions deon hupo rather than deon ek as Paul does in 1 Corinthians 6 I'll be doing a post on origin tonight.

[00:02:05]The point is basically the same. God [clears throat] the Father is the cause and source of all creation. And what did he appeal to?

[00:02:19]He just told you 1 Corinthians 8:6 is about all creation.

[00:02:30]>> [clears throat] >> The point is the same. God the Father is the cause and source of all creation and the Son is the one through whom God created. So he just told you God created all creation through the Son.

[00:02:43]>> [clears throat] >> God created all creation through the Son.

[00:02:54]See that?

[00:02:57]Exactly in what sense the creative acts of God were mediated through the Son no one can say for sure. That is based on what we have good reasons to believe according to the Bible page 382. Look at page 397.

[00:03:08]I noted [clears throat] in that same discussion that 1 Corinthians 8:6 clearly distinguishes between the Father as the source of all things and Jesus as the one through whom these same things came. Did you notice?

[00:03:24]All things are the same things that came through the Son.

[00:03:29]But you just said that's all creation.

[00:03:41]Sam clinking there I don't know what he's talking about.

[00:03:44]Right?

[00:03:47]Do you guys see it?

[00:03:52]He just said that.

[00:03:58]You see that? All right. Now watch.

[00:04:00]Let's continue. Page 397.

[00:04:06]I noted in the same discussion >> [clears throat] >> that 1 Corinthians 8:6, again, I'm going to read it again, clearly distinguishes between the Father, source of all things, and Jesus, the one through whom these same things came.

[00:04:19]Page 4 477.

[00:04:22]The Bible teaches us that Jah is a creator of all things. Now, what did he quote to prove Jah created all things, mean all creation? Here you go.

[00:04:34]So, he can't lie to you and run away from you and change his argument. I dare you, Greggy, as you believe for Baal, change your argument and say that's not what you meant.

[00:04:43]We got receipts.

[00:04:45]You're buried, dude. It's over. If I were you, I'd keep selling insurance and stop doing live streams. Keep to doing insurance. I don't know if you know, he's into insurance. He even wrote a book on insurance. You can find it on Amazon.

[00:04:58]It is he who decreed the capacities of individuals, spirits, and humans who are made in his image. It is he who created the spheres of existence, the heavens and the earth.

[00:05:07]Now, you see another stupid mistake he made?

[00:05:10]He said Colossians 1:16 refers to the creation of the heavens and earth. But wait, Colossians 1:16 is referring to the Son by whom, in whom, heavens and earth were created.

[00:05:30]Okay?

[00:05:31]In which the personally expressive capacities of those made in his image can make choices.

[00:05:37]Now, let me show you what he just admitted. Note, what is Colossians 1:16 talking about?

[00:05:42]The spheres of existence, heavens and the earth.

[00:05:47]What is 1 Corinthians 8:6 talking about?

[00:05:49]The creation of not just humans, but spirits.

[00:05:53]Okay, now we got a problem.

[00:05:56]Why? Why do we got a problem?

[00:06:00]Because if he just admitted God created the heavens and the earth, the spiritual creatures and human creatures through the son, he just admitted the son was there when there were no heavens and earth. So, where was he dwelling?

[00:06:18]Greggie, where was the son living and dwelling in?

[00:06:24]Don't you be that stupid and mentally drenched and well, Lord, all came out of him. No, jackass. You just said God was there and he made the heavens and the earth through the son. That means the son precedes heavens and earth, jackass.

[00:06:44]So, where was he?

[00:06:47]When there were no heavens and earth?

[00:06:51]No, it is all came out of him. You see how dumb the guy is?

[00:06:54]He doesn't say all came out of him. He said Neoplatonist. He's the pagan. Now, you become a pagan philosopher.

[00:07:02]Pagan?

[00:07:08]You're the pagan. You're adopting Greek metaphysics to explain no creation comes out of it's an emanation. You're a gnostic Neoplatonist heretic. You're no Christian, you heretic. And you talk about Trinitarians being corrupted by Greek philosophy.

[00:07:27]There it is. For by him were all things created there in heaven and in that earth. And he just told you that's the spheres that are heavens and the earth. Heavens and earth. The visible and invisible, whether by they be thrones, dominions, principalities, powers. All things created by him and for him. He doesn't like the word by, he wants to say through.

[00:07:44]Now the dilemma.

[00:07:47]Since he admits right here.

[00:07:52]That since he admits that the all things in 1 Corinthians 8:6 refer to all creation and since he also acknowledges that God created all things through the Son Stafford has basically proven that the Son is not a part of creation but separate the string from it.

[00:08:07]And I'm just beginning this barbecue.

[00:08:11]Notice how this plays out logically.

[00:08:12]According to 1 Corinthians 8:6 God created all creation from himself. Not it came out of him, you neo-Platonist gnostic pagan.

[00:08:21]This means that God exists before all creation therefore cannot be a creature.

[00:08:27]Ah, Greggy. Bleed for bowel, Greggy. 1 Corinthians 8:6 also teaches that God created all things through Jesus which makes Jesus the intermediary through whom >> [clears throat] >> all creation came into being.

[00:08:43]This means that Jesus also exists before all creation and therefore cannot be a creature anymore than the Father can be one.

[00:08:52]Damn, Gina.

[00:08:56]Someone's hurting.

[00:08:57]It ain't me.

[00:09:03]It ain't me.

[00:09:06]The Bible is a trinitarian book. The real God who is reality and is existence and being is a triune God. That's why you keep getting exposed.

[00:09:20]>> [snorts] >> See that? Okay, so now let's see the logic of Einstein here.

[00:09:26]The only way for Stafford to deny the inevitable conclusion of his own argument is to claim that Jesus is the angel of his own creation. Do you know that?

[00:09:35]If Christ is part of the all things, topanta, then that means he's his own agent and he brought himself [clears throat] into being or God used them to bring himself into being. That [clears throat] God used his son to bring him into existence. That so stupid that I don't think Greggy would be that dumb. I do think he'll be a bite more of his skin, but he's not that dumb, right?

[00:10:00]To say that?

[00:10:02]>> [clears throat and cough] >> Okay?

[00:10:06]But now watch here. Therefore, Stavros now stuck, guys, with Christ being at the uncreated eternal son of God, which leads to the further conclusion that the son is just as much the one God Yahweh as the Father. Damn, but now watch why different prepositions are used. Do you want to know the answer?

[00:10:23]Why >> [clears throat] >> is the preposition dia, right?

[00:10:28]Used of the son.

[00:10:30]Here's why, guys.

[00:10:32]Can I ask everyone a question?

[00:10:35]Here's the question and I'm going to give you the receipts.

[00:10:40]Is the son the only person that created?

[00:10:45]Or do we believe from the Bible the Father, Son, and Spirit created all things, sustained all things together?

[00:10:59]What say you?

[00:11:03]Okay.

[00:11:04]Now, let me ask you a question.

[00:11:07]If the Bible writers want to show that though the son is creator, the active creator, not some secondary passive instrument, but he's not the only person that created, would it make sense they would use these prepositions to show that the son is not the Father, they're distinct, and yet both of them are fully responsible for creation.

[00:11:34]What makes more sense?

[00:11:36]That these prepositions distinguish the Father and Son so that no one thinks they're the same person even though they're the same God? So, it's not because the Son is a lesser creator, but that the Son is not the Father, and though he is fully responsible for creation, and he created all things in an active sense, he didn't do it alone?

[00:12:00]And I'm going to prove to you the Father acknowledges the Son is the active creator and sustainer of all things.

[00:12:09]The Father acknowledges it.

[00:12:14]And so, this is why I say now we're left with a problem.

[00:12:17]If Jesus is the one the one God created all creation through, then Jesus is Jehovah.

[00:12:27]And if Jesus was used by the Father to create, he has to be Jehovah. Why? Here you go, the receipts from the New World Translation.

[00:12:37]Nehemiah 9:6.

[00:12:40]You alone are Jehovah. You made the heavens, yes, the heaven of the heavens and all their army, the earth and all that is on it, the seas and all that is in them, and you preserve all of them alive, and the army of the heavens are bowing down to you.

[00:12:55]All right. Psalm 90:1-2.

[00:12:58]From everlasting to everlasting you are God.

[00:13:00]Now watch, a prayer of Moses, the man of the true God. O Jehovah, you have been our dwelling place throughout all generations.

[00:13:10]Before the mountains were born or you brought forth the earth and the productive land, from everlasting to everlasting you are God. So now, note the dilemma.

[00:13:19]Since Stafford stuck his foot in his mouth and made the mistake of admitting 1 Corinthians 8:6 teaches the Father created all creation through the Son.

[00:13:29]The Son precedes creation.

[00:13:32]He's uncreated. The only being to exist before the mountains, before the earth, before the heavens is Jehovah.

[00:13:43]Secondly, the only being that was there before creation, who then made the heavens and the earth and everything in [clears throat] them is Jehovah.

[00:13:53]So, any role that the Son played in creating all things, he's got to be Jehovah.

[00:14:08]He's got to be Jehovah.

[00:14:11]See that?

[00:14:13]Still don't believe me?

[00:14:15]Habakkuk 1:12. Ironically, every single Hebrew word used for Jehovah is used for Jesus.

[00:14:24]Right? Let me say Hebrew and Greek. Why? Cuz the New Testament is written in Greek.

[00:14:30]Do you want me to show you how what is said of Jehovah is said of Jesus?

[00:14:34]Are you not from everlasting, oh Jehovah?

[00:14:36]Oh my God, my holy one. You do not die.

[00:14:39]Yes, God as spirit cannot die. That's why Jesus as God, as spirit cannot die, which is why he had to become a man to die human death.

[00:14:50]Jesus is the God-man who died a human death because as God, he could not die.

[00:14:58]Oh Jehovah, you appoint and execute judgment. My rock, you establish them for punishment. Habakkuk 1:12.

[00:15:04]So, now, Jesus being identified as Yahweh incarnate also refutes Stafford's further assertion that the Son is not the source of all creation. Why?

[00:15:14]If Jesus is Yahweh and Yahweh is the source of all creation, what does that make Jesus?

[00:15:19]But, he's not the only one.

[00:15:21]He is the source with the Father and the Spirit.

[00:15:26]And I'm going to give you further proof.

[00:15:29]So, I got to do another part?

[00:15:37]If you are a Trinitarian, that have objections by anti-Trinitarians, I'll entertain those as well.

[00:15:43]Watch. So, here's what I say.

[00:15:45]>> [clears throat] >> This means that the use of different prepositions in reference to the roles that the Father and Son took in creation isn't intended to depict the Son as a passive instrument that the Father used.

[00:15:56]That's not the reason. Only this pervert would say that.

[00:16:00]Rather, [clears throat] the differing prepositions are only meant to highlight the point of the Father and Son not being the same divine person, but in fact one in the same God.

[00:16:12]Now, do you want me to show you where the Father acknowledges and glorifies the Son as the active creator, sustainer, that he was the active agent, meaning he is fully responsible for creating and sustaining all things in an active manner, not in a passive role?

[00:16:37]You want me to give you the receipts for that?

[00:16:41]You guys want receipts?

[00:16:50]How many of you want me to show you?

[00:16:51]Okay.

[00:16:52]It's right here.

[00:16:56]Okay, watch here.

[00:16:58]Watch the Father in Hebrews 1 glorifying the Son, and I destroy Stafford's attempt of explaining the way this I wrote this over 10 years ago to destroy Stafford.

[00:17:13]And I've yet to see any good response.

[00:17:15]I'm not lying. I looked.

[00:17:17]He doesn't even acknowledge me in his book.

[00:17:19]I don't blame you. I know you're scared.

[00:17:21]I'd be scared of me, too, if I worshiped the false god like you.

[00:17:25]And I was opposing someone who worships the true god, the Trinity. Here.

[00:17:28]Here it is.

[00:17:30]Let me read Psalm 102 for you.

[00:17:33]24 to 27.

[00:17:35]Oh my god, I say, take me not hence in the midst of my days.

[00:17:40]Thou whose years Thou whose years endure throughout all generations.

[00:17:45]Of old Thou didst say lay, sorry, the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of thy hands. Now, let me ask you guys a question.

[00:17:53]Psalmists is talking about Jehovah.

[00:17:55]When it says, "The heavens are the work of Jehovah's hands," is that an active sense or a passive sense?

[00:18:06]When it says, "Jehovah made the heavens by his hands," do you get any more active than that, or is this a passive role?

[00:18:21]Active, right? Son of his right hand?

[00:18:23]Okay, watch.

[00:18:24]Watch here.

[00:18:27]They will perish.