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Ajouté : 2026-05-24

[00:00:00]I want to talk to you a little bit about that court ruling, uh where several First Nations, however, not all, including the activist anti-oil Chief Allan Adam, um were able to have the referendum on secession sort of put on ice, um claiming that they weren't properly consulted. The provincial government is going to appeal, which has resulted in Danielle Smith, an avowed federalist, being called a separatist for, I suppose, respecting the voting rights of Albertans.

[00:00:36]Well, although our government does support Alberta remaining in Canada, we think that today's decision by the court will deny an opportunity to well over 300,000 Albertans to have their petition verified by Elections Alberta. Uh we think that this decision is incorrect in law and anti-democratic, and we will be uh appealing it as a result. Our cabinet and caucus will, of course, be meeting in the next couple of days to discuss the full context and uh make some decisions after we've had a chance to talk it through. I want you I'm going to ask you to speculate. How do you think this is all going to play out? Is uh Superior Court going to hear this and say, "That's crazy. Citizens don't have the responsibility to consult with First Nations. That kicks in after the vote with the government." Like, where is this going? Will we see a referendum on October 19th? Uh well, a couple of things. I mean, I think we'll see one, though I'm not sure if it's going to be maybe the one that that initially was put forward by Stay Free. It's definitely put it in the lap of Premier Smith. If she stuck with it, if we're going to go through the process of appeals, even if somehow a higher-level judge, which I really doubt they would uh they would then rule in favor of more citizen engagement cuz that's just not been their trend, uh that could take months, maybe a year or so. So, if it's going to go through the appeals route, then there's no way there's going to be any referendum on the table this October.

[00:02:00]Uh if the premier schedules it, well, then there's nothing to stop it at that point. Though, then there's risks of of of court injunctions and so on if it's a constitutionally compliant one through the Clarity Act because that endless question of it's not whether or not they were consulted with indigenous people, it's whether there was enough or whether it was correct. And there's no definitions of what that is. So, I think federalists have found a way to shut down any effort on a constitutional uh uh referendum. Not to say again that it won't be held, but that the battles are going to be fierce going throughout this. So, Smith is in a tough position because the the independence group, some of them, their heads, they're already calling for her head. They feel she must put this on the the ballot or they're going to come after her through party mechanisms and memberships. And she's in a rock and a hard place. So, something's going to happen, I think, in this next week or so. Just exactly what it looks like, we're going to have to wait a few days to find out.

[00:02:56]I hope she dumps it on Thomas Lukaszuk's lab. Thomas Lukaszuk from um Forever Canada, who successfully collected enough signatures and then submitted them to Elections Alberta for verification. He could have, I think, potentially, I think he did, trigger a referendum on secession whether he likes it or not.

[00:03:20]And I think it would be wise of Premier Smith to just say, "Look, Thomas Lukaszuk triggered one. Let's rumble." Yeah, it would be a way to go.

[00:03:29]I I kind of announce you say, "Well, look, this one passed the bar. There's no court injunction. Let's schedule it get and get it on there." The other one isn't dead, but we now we've got to wait for the courts to deal with all of that.

[00:03:39]In the meantime, everybody, if you want to campaign on this particular issue, thank Mr. Lukaszuk and get out there and and work on getting your voice to one side or another on it. And it's been quite funny to watch uh Lukaszuk squirming on this and just outright denying that he wanted to trigger a referendum. He signed a document literally saying he wants to trigger a referendum. He did videos back then saying he wanted to have a referendum. I I don't know how he feels he can just keep being contrary to his own actions. I guess just hoping everybody forgets, but we're not going to let him forget.

[00:04:16]No.

[00:04:17]No, it it's funny to watch people now attempt to rewrite their own history, Jason Kenney included. And that's why I'm so happy that you're working with me on a project uh, through Act for Alberta. It's called Alberta Fact Check.

[00:04:31]You and I get up very early in the morning and then we get working to see a uh, what misinformation has been peddled in the mainstream media or by federalists or by activist chiefs or by um, you know, columnists. Uh, and we do our best to debunk these people. And not in a partisan way again, but just strictly that please the facts. And I believe the facts, you know, the the arc of facts bend towards independence and the arc of facts generally bend towards small government and personal responsibility. And so we do that every single day. Um, you do a handful, I do a handful. Um, but tell me why I look, I know why I wanted to get involved, but you tell me why you wanted to get involved. Well, just [snorts] as approached with it, probably similar reasons. I mean, we've seen the opposition playing kind of as I mentioned with Lukaszuk, just so loose with the truth. And they're not being countered by legacy media whatsoever. I mean, Lukaszuk won't speak to the Western Standard where I'm working. I doubt he's giving you guys any direct time, but he speaks to other interviewers and none of them have at least called him out and said, "Well, wait a minute.

[00:05:45]You know, you said this a little while ago. You're saying the opposite now. It doesn't mean they have to be in attack mode, but they should fact-check these obvious mis-truths. And as long as he's getting away with it, we know that opponents to independence are going to do more. And we've been doing this what?

[00:05:59]Barely over barely a week yet, and there's been no shortage of outright misinformation to counter that's out there. And and hopefully it provides a service when these opponents to independence are making their statements or thinking about making their statements, they got to remember, "Wait a minute, there's actually people dedicated putting time in to checking on these things, and they will call BS on me if I put it out there. So, maybe I'll reconsider what I was going to say." So, I I think it's performing a very important service. I I sure hope so, cuz it's a god-awful hour to get up at Yeah, it's it's 5:00.

[00:06:32]Just Just so everybody at home knows, it's 5:00 that we get up and we start working on these things outside of all of our other things that we do, uh myself at Rebel News, over at the Independent Press Gallery, at Epoch Times Alberta, you over at Epoch Times and Western Standard, and then on your own YouTube channel. But, uh I think this is important because the lies are going completely unchallenged. And as much as it it should uh serve as a gut-check to the liars, I hope to create a war chest, a a bit of an encyclopedia for the independence movement, so that when they are at the door, and they are, you know, being countered by people in you know, in the most gentle of ways, that, you know, uh Thomas Lukaszuk really didn't mean to do this. Yes, ma'am, he did. Uh I hope that we can arm people with the facts as they head out into the world um to make the arguments and and have the conversations you detail in your book. Exactly. Uh there's a a great reference right there for counterpoints to those commonly held misconceptions. And you don't even want to fault some of the people at the door.

[00:07:39]I mean, they're not all political wonks.

[00:07:41]A lot of them just watch legacy media, that's all they take in, and they haven't seen that. Uh you know, getting in their face again doesn't help, but if you can gently point out, "Well, no, actually this this misconception you're holding uh came about because of this that was said here, but it has been determined that that just wasn't the truth." And and arming those advocates further with that sort of reference, it will provide a a resource. Yeah, it's a building thing. We're not just hitting issues as they come. They're staying on there. The internet's forever, and it it takes the bullets out of the those federalist guns.

[00:08:16]Uh one of the most shocking things that we found through our Act for Alberta polling is something that we've used multiple times in our Alberta Fact Check Project is that 46 north of 46% of indigenous people who responded to our poll of 3,000 people, which we hired Mainstreet to do. So, we wanted a uh um a pollster that does work for all sides, it would give us the numbers straight. Um Mainstreet found that 46% of indigenous people right now, without any convincing, would vote for independence tomorrow.

[00:08:57]And you know, we the mainstream media pedals this as um a monolith of indigenous people who are fundamentally opposed to independence, but it's not true. It's just the chiefs who want to maintain the status quo because they benefit from the status quo, and apparently their own people and the uh the votes of their own people be damned. Um uh I I think the work that we're doing to give those people a voice as they're being roughshod run over by their own leadership, I I think is really important. Oh, yeah, that that that was a fantastic and unexpected. I was kind of floored when I saw that come through too, but I saw the the amount of people you guys pulled and and what came in. I mean, this is a a significant number.

[00:09:43]It's not an outlier there.

[00:09:45]And that might help encourage it. I mean, if anybody's being served poorly by the status quo, it's indigenous members on the ground in the reserves.

[00:09:52]They're having a terrible time. All we hear from are these chiefs and activists and lawyers and bureaucrats, but not the people living in there. But in a poll, we did hear from the people living in there. And maybe a few more, if they're watching alternative alternative sources of news, cuz that's the only way I could feel that they would start supporting this sort of thing.

[00:10:09]They're going to see that sort of polling number and realize, you know what? Maybe my neighbors weren't all necessarily against this. Maybe we should have some conversations. And uh that sort of, you know, to see a budding movement coming out from the indigenous communities would would be magnificent to see. And you could see some of the response, the hysteria from one of the in the legislature, from one of the MLAs, in denial of your polling results, shows that the federalists realize what a weak spot they have there. And if you guys hadn't have done that poll, I have to admit, I never would have estimated that there was such support hiding out there on those reserves. So I can understand why it's there.

[00:10:43]Yeah, it it shocked me. But if anybody should be upset with the federal government >> [laughter] >> and their paternalistic ways, it should be the indigenous people. And you know, shame on the chiefs for disenfranchising them, for not giving them the ability to vote. And as uh my friend Tamara Lich says, she has never been once consulted as a member of the Métis Nation. She's never been once even asked what her viewpoint is on this by the leadership of uh the Métis Nation. So, um I I'm happy to say we might be the first people who did that.

[00:11:18]Well, and I I hope that a lot of them appreciate that there was a different you know, somebody representing that segment of their voices. It's got to be frustrating. I mean, the chiefs have been acting as gatekeepers. It's difficult to find out what is happening within those reserves. You can't even go onto to risking a trespass charge if you wanted to speak to people, yeah.

[00:11:36]>> with a a dial and a and pulling method to to find out, "Wait a minute, there's different views there than what these gatekeepers of information and control, you know, through the chiefs have been letting people know in general." And and I hope a lot of people have been chewing on that and thinking about it.

[00:11:51]It helps change the perspective of both on the reserve and off, I think, for people on this whole issue.

[00:11:57]Yeah, I as as you pointed out, if an independence vote happened and only indigenous people were allowed to vote, we just might win. Yeah. [laughter] That of all identifiable groups is actually the strongest level of support across the board. That that was astounding. And again, though, [clears throat] what once you got that reality check and you start to think about it and you realize, "No, it does make sense, actually. It makes perfect sense." If if you're in that condition and you see a potential lifeline to really just finally shake and break that system up to make something better, you're going to reach out and and look at something, you know, which would be considered radical change like independence. It makes perfect sense in hindsight.

[00:12:40]Now, Corey, before I let you go cuz I know you've got a real job and I've got many many real jobs as well. Um tell people how they can get a new copy of your book, even if you have the old copy, get the new copy, get the relaunch because it's full of new stuff. Um it's available now.

[00:12:58]Uh tell people how they can get that and then do tell people where they can find you cuz you're in many many places doing a lot of work. Yeah, I'm all over the place, but yes, sovereignjusthandbook.com.

[00:13:08]It's it's up there. That'll take you straight to the Amazon site. It's there in digital and hard hard cover and and paperback.

[00:13:15]Uh for those who already have a copy, it's a it's a worthwhile update. I mean, the old copy isn't out of date. You can still give that to a friend and maybe buy a a new one for their friend as well. Uh as far as me, I'm on westernstandard.news. So, have a YouTube channel if you search Corey Morgan. I write a column for the Epoch Times and of course on X, if you really want to have a an exchange, it's CoreyB Morgan and I I tend to be pretty responsive there.

[00:13:41]And albertafactcheck.com with me.

[00:13:44]>> [laughter] >> This is so many spots I'm popping up on and yes, albertafactcheck.com and watch that X account. It's been really good at putting those out there as soon as they break.

[00:13:53]>> Yeah.

[00:13:54]Yes. Um and maybe a suggestion to people who already have a copy of your book, put it in the little free libraries and then get a new one. There we go.

[00:14:05]I like it.

[00:14:06]Yes. All right, Corey, thank you so much. We'll have you back on very soon and I know you're a frequent guest on the Rebel Roundup Buffalo panel. So, we appreciate you for taking the time to do that as well.

[00:14:16]Always a pleasure having a a conversation on these kinds of issues.

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