The Israel-Palestine Conversation Everyone Needs To Hear

Added: 2026-06-03

[00:00:00]We we learn right from wrong from how we are raised. And when you were raised being taught this is right, this is wrong. And it is good to, you know, die and to wage war against the Jews. You grow up and that's what you believe because that's all you've ever known.

[00:00:11]They have the autonomy. They have the right to be able to fix that and they have to do it. And until they they they take that, you know, step to say, "Hey, we we can advocate for peace. We can come to the table." I see no end. Which is why I say the Palestinian leaders and the Arab leaders historically and currently are the biggest obstacle to peace. which doesn't make Israel perfect, but it is what makes me pro Israel.

[00:00:30]>> Hey, bro.

[00:00:30]>> What's up, brother?

[00:00:31]>> I uh >> I'm well. I uh you caught up with my uh friend, I think, who talked to you about Islam a couple of nights ago, Nick. Guy with the flags behind him. Big beard, slick back hair.

[00:00:42]>> Dude, I'm on here too much. I don't know. But I may have >> spoke with him and you told you told him that you were uh I remember what you said. You're new to Islam. You've been in it for three years. You're the only Muslim around.

[00:00:53]>> Yeah, I remember you, man. I watch your streams. were both pro-Israel. Um, and you had a very respectful conversation and I I remember your face and uh he was discussing Islam with you a little bit and uh normally people scream and all that but you had a very respectful conversation and when I can remember you because I see dozens of people that means you did very well. So I >> I appreciate that. You know what? I have to tell you something. probably like three people ago, I had someone and he was chewing me out, just going off about how I'm a disgusting person and all this. And I'm like, "How do you know me?" He's like, "I've seen you with this person and this person." And I'm like, "Wait, people are recording my conversation now. I should have assumed that as an IT guy that I'm being recorded with my political opinion, >> but I didn't know people were like posting it and stuff and trying to get clicks off it."

[00:01:41]>> Well, Nick live streams. The guy that I saw you on, he live streams. He actually he's his YouTube has exploded. He um he's debated a lot of big pro Palestinians and influencers and he has 200,000 followers on Instagram and around 60,000 on YouTube. I have over half a million on Instagram. So we do content creation and talk about politics, American, you know, geopolitical, Middle East, this whole conflict, a little bit of religion. He does a little bit more of the religious debate. Uh I'm not Muslim. I I am Christian, but I get on here and I talk sometimes. But again, you were very respectful, mature, and I would expect that from you as being a a grown man, but you handled yourself well, and you're better than 99.999% of the people that we uh run into. So, I respect that from you. And >> I appreciate that so much. It means a lot, especially after I ran into this guy that watches all of these live streams.

[00:02:32]>> Yeah, there's people out there.

[00:02:33]>> I try to be um as genuine as I can, as honest as I can, right? As forthfront.

[00:02:39]>> Yeah.

[00:02:39]>> As forthcoming, right? But >> yeah, >> you do a good job, man.

[00:02:44]>> What's What's your What's your stance on the whole thing? I mean, we don't need to get into the weeds, but I like getting people's opinions because I I learn more from it.

[00:02:53]>> Yeah. Um like in terms of like I think we have both Israel here. I'm I'm pro Israel in the sense that I I don't think everything Israel does is perfect. I I think there's no such thing as a perfect country that has no heirs. I think that a lot of there are some extremists in the Israeli government like Ben Gavir and Smootrich. Um they're racist. Spin Gavir is deemed a racist by his own government. He had a picture up of Baroo Goldstein who killed I think 28 or maybe it was 38 Palestinians. Um he's very blatantly racist in his rhetoric.

[00:03:21]Smotrich is the same. I think they want to kind of expand. Um, but I think that uh people generally paint the Jewish people in a bad light and that the Jewish people are going through a lot of crap on social media, especially in in my sphere of like, you know, the niche that I'm in and and the categories and it's just stuff that I see on the algorithm. And I speak up against like anti-semitism and hatred. And um I'm for the the creation of the Jewish state. I don't think it was perfect, but I think it was it was legal. I think they did it in a moral way compared to the establishment of just about every other country. And I think that the Palestinian people share an ancestry with uh like they came from the the Canaanites and that a lot of these Levventine people share DNA. And I could wish for, you know, a two-state solution, but I I just don't think it's practical and think both sides really have every excuse to hate each other. Uh but I really just focus on like false narratives and ahistorical claims just that just aren't true >> and debate on that. But the debate and conversation on this topic today just is so polarized. It's not mature and, you know, logical and calm. It's people screaming at each other and people saying like Jews did 9/11 and all Muslims are terrorists and it's just it's a shouting match. So, I try to find a a balance in between all that stuff.

[00:04:35]But that's where I sit generally speaking.

[00:04:37]>> Yeah. I'm with I think we're like on board with each other. The thing that's hardest for me is the whole idea that um the whole free Palestine movement. I mean, these people are screaming or uttering this and all it's doing is encouraging these people to go slaughter themselves and their families. It's not allowing the Palestinians to move on with whatever life they may have.

[00:05:00]>> Well, one of the problems is that the the international community has again given Palestinians like every right to believe that if they fight, they're going to achieve something. They never try to like put in like a leader that can actually represent the people in a good way to, you know, make concessions or come to a deal with Israel. And again that when you have extremists in power who like Hamas say they even overthrew Fatah the the government that was in place they went into the the homes of the leaders and they killed them in front of their children because and the reason they did this is because Fatah was entertaining the idea of a two-state solution and peace and Hamas out rejects peace. So when so when you have extremists like this I mean again that gives Israel every excuse to say no why would we ever compromise with you? We're going to keep bombing you. You attack us we're going to attack you. So, like I said, I think both sides just have every excuse for their narrative. Israel's like, "You guys are extremists. You're going to fire rockets at us and slaughter our people." And you know, the first and second, come in, strap bombs to yourself, blow up yourselves on school buses, kill our children, raise your children in these summer camps to wage jihad from birth. You don't recognize any of our buildings and uh temples in your in your schools that are run by UNRA, a UN agency. We're just going to we're going to fight you. And then Israel is obviously very much more powerful than than Palestine and than Hamas. So they bombed them and then they're like, you have these children there who were raised up in this culture and they see all of their family and their friends getting killed. Uh not because they're necessarily targeted, but by collateral damage. They're radicalized and they're brought up in a culture that says the reason all of this destruction has happened is not because my political leaders did anything wrong, but because we're oppressed and Israel just bombs us because they don't like us. So they just it's a continuous pattern, a repetitive uh cycle of hatred that seems to have no issue and the international community doesn't want to help. We throw tons of money at Hamas.

[00:06:45]Their leaders take it. They go live in Qatar. They hoard it. They're billionaires. They build tunnels. And the we just say, "Yeah, keep chanting free Palestine. Keep doing terrorism.

[00:06:53]You're not actually terrorists. You're resistance fighters. And maybe one day you'll defeat Israel." And it's it's not practical. And there are again issues from from both sides of the aisle. But it's just uh it's not realistic. And uh it's more of like an identity politic thing of picking sides rather than trying to come to find a solution.

[00:07:10]>> Yeah. My my big thing lately that I've been talking to people about trying to trying to better understand thankfully on this platform I've I've been able to speak to like IDF people in the IDF people that live in the West Bank and you know Israel has flat out said we are going to eliminate Hamas right in order to eliminate Hamas you have to get them out of the West Bank. What do you think that looks like? Do you think it'll be another Gaza situation? because there's a lot of people that live there. And quite frankly, from speaking to people in Jordan, it seems like they don't even want Palestinians in Jordan.

[00:07:44]>> They don't because when the Palestinians came to Jordan, they did Black September and tried to kill the king, King Hussein.

[00:07:50]They went to Lebanon and did the same thing. They went to Kuwait. Lebanon put them in camps, didn't give them citizenship. They went to Kuwait. The Palestinian people, and it's not a racist thing, but even the other Arab states, and even even just shut off its border and not let them come in. People talk about why has Israel closed its border and doesn't let them go out or leave to Egypt. Doesn't Egypt doesn't want them coming in? You should look at look up pictures of Egypt's border. It's barbwired like crazy. Um it's because they have been a destabilizing mechanism force everywhere they've gone because it's not anything inherent that they're Arab or that they're Muslim. It's the ideology of Palestinianism which is to wage jihad against Israel and Jews until they get what they want. And uh in terms of the West Bank, I don't think America will allow Israel to even annex the West Bank. I think I think the big contentious point right now that is even being had is the settlements in the West Bank. Those are clearly framed and you'll read in like UN uh opinion pieces and this is more of a technical point.

[00:08:45]These are um they're called chapter six there's a difference between a chapter 6 and seven resolution. Seven resolutions are uh the difference is that one is binding and one is not. Meaning one is actually enforced into law and other is just kind of an advisory opinion on what they feel. all of these like things where they say it's illegal, it's not actually binding, meaning that it doesn't take effect and that there's no enforcing mechanism to actually stop it.

[00:09:10]It's just an interpretation. Whereas Israel interprets it as being fully legal because under Oslo, they signed a deal with areas A, B, and C and Israel has, you know, certain authority in uh in their areas and that was what was signed by, you know, Yaser Arafat. Um but I don't think the international community, including the United States, will allow Israel to annex the West Bank. Um there's just too many people living there. Um and again you have you have leaders like Smooch and Minir who I think are very detrimental to the pro-Israel cause. Um but again when you have like a attack like Kamas that only radicalizes and kind of brings a sense of nationalism you know war unites people um among the Israelis like if you if you did a poll in Israel pre-occtober 7th a lot of them would be center left leaning say yeah we want two-state solution post October 7th. So many of those people have gone right to say no, never a two-state solution. Never with these people after what they just did.

[00:10:04]And what does that do? It grants more power to the right-wing people who say we should kick all these people out. We don't care. Whatever. We'll bomb them.

[00:10:11]You know, so again, all of the actions just give the other side every excuse.

[00:10:16]Palestinians go in, they do October 7th, it pushes all these people further to the right. Figures like Gavir, smokers gain more support. They carry out attacks back and they say, "Look, Israel's oppressing us." And then they go harder. And it's just a back and forth. And this is what it's been since 1948. And um it's sad. I I've I'm a realist and how I, you know, observe the world. I can, you know, pose what I think could be solutions, but I think if there was a solution that somebody that that would work, I think somebody would have come up with one by now. I mean, there have been so many offers put on the table. And in my opinion, Israel has made concession after concession after concession. 95% of uh the West Bank land swaps East Jerusalem as the capital and you have leaders from the Palestinian side who have gotten up from the table and not even made a counter offer because what they want is all of that land and they reject any Jewish sovereignty in that land and that's it's never going to happen. That Jewish state is always going to be there. The Jewish people are always going to be there and the Jewish people feel the need to have a majority in their state because every time they haven't been a majority, they've been slaughtered. That's the whole point of the Jewish state is to, you know, have a safe haven, a home for these people to be a majority where they can self-determine and govern. And you have 20% of that population that is Israeli Arab. They have full rights.

[00:11:26]They serve in the Knesset, the government. In fact, Arab Knesset members put former Israeli politicians in jail.

[00:11:32]>> They have all the same voting rights.

[00:11:34]And I think the issue again is is the West Bank. And um we just we have to get rid of the the far right in in Israel as well as uh the the extremist in Palestine. And I think the international community needs to grow a pair and say, "Hey, like, you know, we're we're going to install somebody here or we have to find somebody who can rise up and represent these people to push for a solution." Um, instead of just like, "Oh, yeah, we're going to throw this money because, you know, you have extremist and and corrupt governments who just hoard it. They take it. They built tunnels. Children died in the process of building those tunnels." They made children dig them. They're under hospitals. Yahwir, his brother was killed underneath a hospital. the founder of Hamas, his brother was killed under the entrance of a hospital in a tunnel. So it's like a person just in Lebanon, I believe, or maybe it was I think it was Lebanon, Hzbollah, the other proxy, not Gaza or not Hamas and Gaza, they just killed an IDF troop firing out of a church and like a church gets blown up or you know gets hit and people like Israel's bombing churches, they hate the Christians and it's like it's a lot more complex than that, man. these people are hiding out in in churches and in tunnels and under hospitals and it's people see Israel bombing these places and they're like all these gross, you know, genocidal people who want to tear down everything. It's like you have to understand that this is how these people fight.

[00:12:51]>> How how you said that you have um I I've I've grappled with different solutions and um I've only come up with three, but none of them are good and I don't know how how any of it can turn out a good way. I mean the the first one and and it's super quick. It's easy too.

[00:13:09]Like one is either the Christians and the Jews have to go away or the Muslims have to go away because of the religious connotations to the Temple Mount where there's Alaska and Dome of the Rock and the Jews have their temple. Right.

[00:13:21]>> Yeah. The Jews have even given up some of their ancient sites over to Muslims who have come in and conquered it and built their sites over it. And the Jews aren't even allowed to visit some of their most holiest sites.

[00:13:31]>> Mhm.

[00:13:31]>> That's a concession on their part.

[00:13:33]Imagine if the Jews went into Mecca or whatever and, you know, took over certain places and built a temple and said, "You Muslims aren't able to come here."

[00:13:40]>> So again, that shows that the Jewish people have made concessions.

[00:13:43]>> And and my idea with that is is they reached out to the Muslim Uma and they say, "Hey, we'll leave Alaska alone. You guys can do whatever you want there. Let us have the Dome of the Rock area. We build our temple and we can have our temples right next to each other and both do our But I think we both know the majority of Muslims will say no to that because once it's a Muslim holy site, it's not supposed to be removed. And if it is, it's supposed to be built back up. But >> right, >> my my goal is the least amount of bloodshed.

[00:14:11]>> Might as well.

[00:14:12]>> And I don't know how that's even possible because martyrdom is considered so high in their ideology.

[00:14:20]>> It's a it's an extremist view, man. It's it's very hard to and this is the whole thing. It has to begin with a dradicalization process and that has to be instituted starting with children because when you raise an entire culture of children to believe that the the best thing the most holy thing you can do in your life is to sacrifice it. Waging jihad against the Jewish state to die for your religion.

[00:14:41]Obviously these Muslims especially the the fundamentalists the Islamists they prioritize religion over everything.

[00:14:48]What are what could you possibly uh what what could you possibly do to try to convince them not to do this when they believe that this is the most holy thing they could do to to grant uh paradise to grant heaven is to die. Nothing you'll ever be able to do um to convince these people. It's it's the number one thing possible. The most holy thing you could ever do is to die fighting against the Jews. So >> that's what I'm saying.

[00:15:10]>> And it starts from childhood. Again, they have these camps. I mean, you you can find pictures of >> Yah.

[00:15:16]Even before any of this, I remember seeing Palestinians, they'd have all the kids with the >> green bandanas and they got their little kid AKs.

[00:15:24]>> They trained them in these camps to they have the other Palestinian kids who act like Jews and they train them to come up and stab them. And it's a it's an ideological problem, man. And it's uh it's institutionalized from a very young age and it is it is a cultural problem.

[00:15:38]Now the issue is who it is these people's obligation the Palestinian parents who who know that this is the ideology that they are ingranting in the minds of their children to take it upon themselves to try and change that so that there could be a better future because children you know a 5-year-old and you know we're in America 5-year-old kid in kindergarten and you know pre-k they dress up for Batman or Superman they they think they're Batman or Superman on Halloween whatever whatever you tell them they're delusional they don't understand the world around them and all of us are shaped socioeconomically by how we are raised and in our envir environments and we we learn right from wrong from how we are raised. And when you were raised being taught this is right, this is wrong and it is good to, you know, die and to wage war against the Jews. You grow up and that's what you believe because that's all you've ever known. The parents know that, you know, maybe we shouldn't be teaching our children this. And that's their obligation. The fix of a culture is not the international community's problem because imagine these Palestinian parents, these extremists. I think we would we would call them that.

[00:16:36]if you threw some random leader in in here and tried to like change their school system and the curriculum and things like that, they wouldn't. They'd say, "You're violating our sovereignty.

[00:16:44]We have a right to do what we want." So, they have to it's it's an it's an autonomy thing. These people have autonomy. They have the ability to reason uh and to grapple with with morality and choose what's right from wrong and to instill that into uh the the values and the system of values that they instill into their children. and they unfortunately haven't chosen to do that. Now, I think many of the Palestinians have, but unfortunately, you can find the videos, the Palestinians who even slightly criticize Hamas or, you know, try to, you know, say, "We we want it to stop. We're we like Israel. We want to make peace."

[00:17:19]Hamas kills them. I mean, just a week after the ceasefire originally, uh, Hamas had people in Gaza City in broad daylight lined up on the ground on their knees, blindfolded, and they took AK-47s and they shot them in the back of the head. You can I wouldn't I mean I don't know how you deal with videos like that nowadays, you know, it's all over the internet. It's it's crazy how accessible it is, but you can go find it on Twitter like 20 men and they're just lined up and they said that they were collaborating with Israel and there's videos of them beating people. They um there's tons of testimonies of women saying that the Hamas members steal the aid and that they >> to get the aid the Hamas men uh sexually uh exploit them and and rape them in some cases just for aid. The UN has documented Hamas stealing the aid and this is one of the reasons that Israel put a blockade on aid to you know um even though the World Food Program had already said that they have enough food for 8 months and then Israel shuts it down and says no more AIDS coming in and then you get all these headlines Israel using starvation as a weapon of war to starve the people of Gaza and then you get the New York Times putting a a child on the front cover of their magazine as a starving child from from Gaza and then >> but it was disabled. It turns out the kid had a medical condition. And it's like this is how propaganda spreads. And this isn't to say that, you know, every all of the suffering is fake. Obviously, people are hungry. There are pockets of hunger. But all of these claims of severe famine, they actually lowered the threshold from 30% to 15 to declare famine and they used a smaller sample size. When in math, you know, to get a more accurate representation, you use a bigger sample size. If you're polling people, you don't take 10 people. You take a thousand people because a thousand is a more mixture, a more general representation. They used a smaller sample size and lowered the threshold from 30% to 15 just to declare famine. And that was only in Gaza City.

[00:19:07]It wasn't for all of Gaza. And then it ran these headlines and then the the magazine titles. And this is the propaganda that people like Hamas rely on. This is well written out in u in public opinion. There's a really good paper on this called rationalist explanations for war. It was written by a man named James Fyon in 1994. You could go find it. And it explains how terrorist groups and state and non-state actors and democracies, how war is fought and how non-democratic societies and non-state actors and terrorist groups exploit death because they know that democratic societies hate death.

[00:19:42]They don't like to see civilians and people dying and they exploit it.

[00:19:45]They'll do everything they can to maximize civilian harm, to push out emotional images, to get these people to grapple with the fact, you know, how could we possibly be doing this? And this is what they've done in a way is co-opted the the minds of these people in the west to support their side. And that's how you get these people in the streets chanting free Palestine and it does nothing other than continue the fighting. So, it's uh it's all it's all difficult, man. And there is there is no solution. Again, if there was, somebody would have would have found it by now.

[00:20:12]It's it's been so long. But with the with the religious aspect being at the core of it, I think we would both agree with that. You know, we can argue over land and dispute. The religious aspect is at the core of it. It's going to be a very difficult thing because you have two religions that have always been in competition and history of oppression and fighting and u we can only hope for uh minimizing death and and casualties and and bettering the future and advocating in those societies to dradicalize whether that be on the Israeli or Palestinian side. And uh that's all we can do, man.

[00:20:46]>> Yeah. I And I don't think there is anyone that we can send in like you were talking about cuz we we tried that in Afghanistan. We were there for 20 years and they're like as soon as we were gone, throw all the books out, burn everything, go right back to how it was.

[00:20:58]>> Yeah. And I mean, and regime change, it's it's very difficult. And I mean, it's I guess you consider Hamas a regime in a way. They're not like the Islamic regime. Nowhere near as powerful. Hamas is a branch of the Islamic regime >> as are the Houthis and uh has >> which is weird because they're Sunni but they're funded by Shia Iran.

[00:21:17]It's it's messy.

[00:21:19]>> It's all it's all to fight the Jews.

[00:21:20]It's all to expand the the Arab >> the Shia that I've spoke to say that it's because um they don't want Israel to expand. That is the the primary reason why they have these proxy groups around Israel.

[00:21:37]>> Yeah, it's it's I mean it's a real concern for them. But I mean the Islamic regime is uh imperialist by nature. You know a lot of the Gulf States, Kuwait, Bahrain, Oman, >> Saudi Arabia, they really hate the Islamic regime. First thing that the Islamic regime did, or I say first, one of the first, quite literally, when they came into power, when they overthrew the Sha in 1979, was they sent out radio signals to all of the Sunni governments and like on the TVs and in media and told the people to rise up and overthrow your governments. We want Sharia because we want to expand the Islamic regime.

[00:22:10]Look it up. This is >> Wow.

[00:22:12]>> Yeah. They the Islamic regime is imperialist by nature. And this is why a lot of the countries don't want them controlling the oil. That's why with this war right now, the straight over muzz is a very contentious issue. This is why you see Bahrain and uh Kuwait and Oman and the UAE, you see Iran striking the UAE because America has military bases there because we protect them. Uh they want America being the global hegeimon with with oil and oil flows and not Iran because if Iran gains power, they want to institute the the the Sharia mindset and the >> the the Shia ideology all across that region. This is this is their goal. A lot of people don't understand that the Arab states are really the the biggest enemies of uh of Iran. And uh this is why you even have like the Abraham Accords. You have a couple of those states that have come to to make peace with Israel. And you even have Jordan and Egypt who might say, you know, we don't officially recognize Israel, but we're not we're not going to wage war.

[00:23:02]It's like not in our interest.

[00:23:04]>> And uh then you have the some of the Sunnis like Hamas and radicals who believe that fighting is going to get them something. And uh the Middle East is a very it's a it's a there's a famous saying of uh oh what a tangled web we we weave and through all of history and all of the connections and allyships and things that have been done and blame game of you did this you did that you started it. It's a tangled web that they've uh woven and uh it's very difficult to to see how it could be solved. Um but again all we can do is advocate for for peace where where necessary but also just war. So wars are just I believe that Israel has a right to respond and and deal with that threat after they were attacked. But um again like I said farright people Bengot I don't you know a lot of Israelis and Jewish people disagree with me. I have a very pro-Israel pro Jewish Jewish fan base of people who support me and watch me and I even disagree with them on a ton of things. But I kind of explained to you my position of what I defend a historical narratives and I am a peace advocate. A lot of people don't see me that way cuz I think that the fight against Damas is wholly justified and for the most part I agree with the way that they've waged this war. I think any other country would do the same. I think it's horrible. But I think this is how terrorism has to be dealt with because this ideology it it succumbs to nothing.

[00:24:25]And if you you let them win then they see that as a win. And and what's to stop it? If you if you don't bomb these civilian areas, which are no longer protected under international law, once they are used for acts harmful to the enemy, by the way, they do lose that protected status. Whether that be a school, a hospital, a mosque, if it is used for any act harmful to the enemy, storing weapons, fighters hiding there, anything like that, it can be bombed. If you don't do that, all you're doing is enabling more guerilla units and non-state actors and terrorist units to wage war like that in the future. And the whole reason that international law exists is to protect civilians and to give a country a right to wage war. And it has to balance those two things.

[00:25:03]Hamas doesn't care about civilians. Like you said, they'll gladly sacrifice them.

[00:25:06]It's martyrdom. If they die, they're dying for the sake of Allah. What's better than that? And again, >> right, >> it's an ideological problem. Has to be fixed. And who who did we say has to fix that? Them. They have the autonomy. They have the right to be able to fix that.

[00:25:19]And they have to do it. And until they they they take that, you know, step to say, "Hey, we we can advocate for peace.

[00:25:25]We can come to the table, I see no end." Which is why I say the Palestinian leaders and the Arab leaders historically and currently are the biggest obstacle to peace, which doesn't make Israel perfect, but it is what makes me pro Israel.

[00:25:40]>> I really like your take. I like how how deep you go into things, too. Most most people that I've been speaking with on here, they're more they take their their points from like Fox, CNN, or wherever there are specific places, and they don't actually think for themselves. And I appreciate how you actually think for yourself. You know, you say you say you're pro-Israeli, but you're like, but at the same time, you know, there's a caveat. It's not just a blanket statement.

[00:26:07]>> All right.

[00:26:07]>> So, so I appreciate you and your view.

[00:26:09]>> Pro America, but I would never support everything my government does. If it's not right, it's not right, you know.

[00:26:14]Yeah. No, I understand. No new wars.

[00:26:16]It's going to be great. New No new wars.

[00:26:18]Just bring me in office again.

[00:26:20]>> Yeah, I get it.

[00:26:22]>> Yeah, man. But, uh, I appreciate talking with you, and again, I I respect you a lot. I've seen you, I think, one or two times, and I I enjoy, uh, the way that you have discourse and handle yourself, and it's uh, it's a respectable thing, especially in in this circle with a very hot and and contentious issue like the conflict between Israel and Palestine. a lot of emotions flaring and get people cursing each other out. And I run into Nazis and Arabs who see me and they see Israel and they flick me off and they say, "F you and you're you're a Zionist.

[00:26:52]F the Jews." And it's hard to to find good conversation. So, when I come across people like you or see somebody when I'm, you know, watching you on TV, I I commend it and um it's highly respectable and I do appreciate it. We need more people like you and >> I appreciate that. Yeah, I'm I'm new here. I've been on here for maybe like a week or two or something and >> just trying to understand the vibe, how things work. Unfortunately, there's a lot of uh special individuals on here as you were pointing out, but uh once you get past that, I've met some really cool Israelis and it's it's it's woken me up to a side I wasn't aware of.

[00:27:31]>> Yeah. Uh once you you just have to be able to it's what I pride myself on, you I um I was recently in Canada on a panel speaking uh against uh anti-semitism and anti-ionism and I was actually with Nick the guy who you ran into that uh I saw you speaking with me and him are good buddies >> and um one of the questions we were asked is how do we how do we combat this you know all of these false narratives and the hate and the anti-semitism and just the blatant lies and just the the vitriol and I said it's it's really about your demeanor and how you approach talking with somebody uh you have to boil things down to a human level and a lot of people are in this for the gotcha moments and the oh you're stupid you support terrorism you you're I know more facts than you about history and you have no reason to be to even be in this space you're an idiot right and u you got to be genuine with people you got to be human have real human conversations and uh because if you call somebody stupid if I was like I know more than you you support terrorism their ears are shut off they're not going to listen to you it's the same thing as like in America you know when we had the BLM them things like a lot of people were they're like you're racist you're racist and somebody is like why would somebody listen to somebody who's just accusing them and being mean to them. It's like they go on defense mode and I don't want people on defense mode unless I'm in a formal debate setting. I want to have real conversations with people and and look forward to what could possibly be and look for theoretical or hypothetical solutions even though we both agree that we're not going to necessarily find those or be able to provide those. that mature, rational, deep, real conversation is what is lacking in this space. It's turned into extremism and and shouting matches. And to be able to have a conversation like this, I I really appreciate it. It's one in a million. I've been doing this for 3 years since October 7th. And my availability to run into people like you is I'm not kidding. It's one and I I used to do this every single day. It's one in every two, three months.

[00:29:28]>> Oh, wow. So, it's >> that's that's disheartening.

[00:29:32]>> Yeah. So, but I do hope you're able to find uh more people and have good conversations as well. And um yeah, again, I I commend you for for your composure and how you handle these things.

[00:29:43]>> I appreciate that. How do I How do I find you? Do you want to >> Yeah, I'm on social media at What do you What do you Well, I'm on everything at the moderate case.

[00:29:57]>> Okay. And I do give back some of the energy when people are very hostile to me. You'll probably see I haven't been on here and actually uh I think it's been a couple of weeks I took off. But you know when when people are rowdy with me and they try to you know like spit on me and do all that I kind of give them the energy back and I I I clip up people and you know debunk them or whatever and debate. But uh I mainly focus on content and um I'm American and right leaning. I don't I'm not a blind MAGA guy. Um, I don't like the Islamic regime, but I think rationally and I try to give complex breakdowns of uh responses to people on the internet who I think make stupid claims. And I speak for myself and um I'm obviously accused of being paid by Israel 7,000 a post.

[00:30:42]>> Oh, I'm sure you probably get a lot of that.

[00:30:44]>> I would imagine the messages hundreds a day. It's ridiculous. But um I'm individualism and it's what I pride myself on. I think more people need to uh have it. And um again, I I commend you and I think you have that as well.

[00:30:55]And we need more people like you uh in the world and particularly on on the other side of this issue.

[00:31:00]>> Thanks, man. I appreciate you that you know what, you you didn't just make my day, you made my week because when the guy was going on earlier, I was I'm like, I don't understand what's going on. Why Why would someone be like that?

[00:31:12]And I'm online trying to find these clips of me and things like that. But after having this conversation, I feel much better cuz I try to be genuine and open-minded. So, >> you are I promise you if I recall you from from a clip or a debate, I didn't see any clips about you. I only saw you on a on a debate. Maybe somebody else clipped you and posted something, but you don't scream. You don't raise your voice. And I don't think you would ever say anything stupid enough to the point where >> somebody would clip you. You're a smart guy. You have your head on your shoulders. And um don't worry about it, dude. Keep keep on the way you're doing.

[00:31:43]And >> if if I did, I'd be like, "End, >> right." Right.

[00:31:47]>> And then offscreen.

[00:31:49]>> Right. You do a great job. And I'm sure I'm going to get back on here uh over time and keep doing these. I'm sure we'll come back into contact with each other. And I uh I look forward to uh coming across you next time. I really did appreciate the conversation, man.

[00:32:03]>> Awesome. Thanks, bro. I appreciate it, too.

[00:32:04]>> You too, man. Have a good night. God bless, man.

[00:32:06]>> You, too. You as well.