Debunking Enyart Theology

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[00:00:00]I got to say, I've never heard this be used as an example for us being part of a cult. Why would that make us cult? Cuz we're conforming? Like >> Trying to be nice to each other? While they're arguing on the internet about theology, we're having the highest baptisms we've ever had. What is the purpose of missionary work? Do you remember? Invite others to come unto Christ.

[00:00:18]>> Say the verb again. Invite. Invite.

[00:00:21]>> My aura My aura is so mega. They have to wear sunglasses.

[00:00:27]The church issues sunglasses so that they don't see the light of my Jesus.

[00:00:34]We got to stop with this whole like infantilizing of missionaries, okay?

[00:00:39]Anybody can feel the spirit anywhere, anytime. The spirit can manifest the truth of these things to anyone, right?

[00:00:46]Just remember, even Harrison Ford got roped into Red Hulk. Disagreement is demonic. This is done so that if you present objections to them, they'll say, "Oh, this is demonic. We got to get out of here." This is a mechanism to prevent their missionaries from converting away from the faith.

[00:01:04]Missionaries aren't out there to debate theology. They're out there to find the sheep.

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[00:01:19]Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, back to Word Radio. I'm your host, Cardell. I am today enjoying in the studio by Ryland from Ether's Elephant, as well as by Jonah Barnes, author of Key to the Keystone. And we're going to be reacting {slash} debunking this guy and your theology who's come after members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints with an old adage of cult-like behavior, but apparently with a new twist.

[00:01:42]>> Mhm. There's a new twist on it. So, we're going to talk about it. Uh you might recognize him from a previous debunking we did. Uh I think it was at least what, a year ago or so? Yeah. Where um he had I I guess the the really cool light behind him.

[00:02:00]>> good.

[00:02:00]>> You know, yeah. It looked actually kind of interestingly like the original Stick of Joseph set. You know what I mean?

[00:02:06]Kind of yeah, kind of yeah. Yeah, you know, it's like he's told the Stick of Joseph guy set. But anyway, he's come after us hard uh with some accusations of quote cult-like behavior.

[00:02:18]Uh so you brought this to my attention.

[00:02:20]I have yet to see this. I'm reacting raw, but you've seen it already. Jonah, tell us what's going on.

[00:02:24]>> Interesting, that first uh clip that you had up there of our old debunking we did with Kwaku like a year a year and a half ago, long time ago. If you play just a few seconds of this, uh it'll give everybody a little bit of a background about about this guy here. So I'm just listen So this is a previous video.

[00:02:41]>> Previous video.

[00:02:42]12 videos. Okay. And if you look at just the thumbnails of his first 12 videos, notice something interesting about these.

[00:02:48]>> gosh, the key divide between Christians and Mormons explained. Even Mormons don't defend this. Joseph Smith most evil lie. Geez, it's all us.

[00:02:58]Would you ever say that about Muhammad?

[00:02:59]Oh my gosh, you're right. Every single one of these videos are anti-Mormon. Oh, they got one Jehovah's Witness one. They got yeah, one Jehovah's Witness one.

[00:03:06]They got one >> Dude, they got two Jehovah's Witness ones. And then they have they have uh proving the Bible. So he has one, two, three four that are not about us. Do we keep going? No, that's it. That's just what I wanted to do is just He loves us.

[00:03:19]>> He loves us. He loves us. Now, that's how you get your start. If you're trying to become a grifting pastor, you start by just attacking attacking uh your neighbors who bring you strudels. We're not calling him a grifting pastor.

[00:03:35]>> Did that slip out? I'm sorry.

[00:03:36]>> Mormon There's there's Mormon Derangement Syndrome, which he definitely has. Then there's grifting pastor, which is like Mike Winger style.

[00:03:42]We we haven't established grifting uh pastor yet.

[00:03:45]>> Can I say actually I think Mike Winger I know that Mike Winger said some some dumb stuff. I actually think he's kind of cool dude. I think Mike Winger would be a a fun guy to hang out with. I actually think he would. But, Mormonism's different. Mormonism's different, or whatever he says. If If you're an authority on Mormonism like me, you know the deep lore. Yeah, that was bad. That was bad. Missionaries, they're The church sends people to brainwash what the evangelicals have taught them during the day at night.

[00:04:13]>> And it's like the pirate Bible is this insidious plot by the to ensnare you. That was my bit.

[00:04:20]>> you said that. Yeah.

[00:04:21]>> Like unhinged insanity. Like Like Alex Jones on his worst day is more credible than Mike Winger with his anti-Mormon conspiracies.

[00:04:32]>> seems like such a nice guy.

[00:04:34]>> He does seem like a nice guy.

[00:04:35]>> Mike Winger is probably a nice guy.

[00:04:36]>> Which just means he's abusing the nice guy-ness.

[00:04:41]He's What's anti-Mormon rule number four? Is they shroud their evil in They shroud their evil words in noble sound bites.

[00:04:49]And so, So, he's actually the pirate Bible luring people in with his insidious success. He's luring you in.

[00:04:56]No, no, no. Jeez, heaven forbid people actually study the Bible because they've been inspired by a humorous gag gift.

[00:05:04]>> Yeah, right.

[00:05:07]Well, he thinks like, you know, that would be a good sketch to have a bunch of deacons and be like, "Now, let's go around and read this chapter from the Book of Mark." And it's all like pirate Bible speak. Like we actually read it.

[00:05:18]So, Enyart Theology. This This dude here, Dominic Dominic Enyart, I think is his name. It's been a long time. It's been a It's been a minute since we saw our boy here bashing on on members of the church.

[00:05:30]Uh but, he's he's branched out. He's got some other things about the Bible.

[00:05:33]That's great. We love the Bible. Um but, he has short a little short that he released about three cult-like behaviors of those Mormons. And I thought it's hard to find original critiques of us because usually our critics are so painfully unoriginal, but this was some interesting things I thought. So, since Rylan here, you served your mission, where'd you serve? Chile. Chile? Yeah.

[00:05:59]You speak Chile Chile Chilish?

[00:06:01]>> Chilean. He speaks Chilish. Castilian.

[00:06:04]And and Cardone served in >> I served in the border.

[00:06:09]Uh I mean, I served on the country that bordered Chile in Argentina. Across the border.

[00:06:13]>> And if the Chileans if the Chileans misbehave, the Argentines just push them into the ocean.

[00:06:19]That's why Chile is so much smaller and skinnier.

[00:06:22]>> Because they've been misbehaving pushing them back. for so long.

[00:06:25]That's why they're just Watch out or into the water you go. Yeah.

[00:06:30]There's only so much land left, you know. All right, well, let's all let's all get along here, guys, okay? Just come together to debunk the three cult-like behaviors. So, interesting and for those at home who Well, let's let's see what what Dominic has to say about us. Let's go through the first one. What's our cult-like behavior?

[00:06:46]>> to see this. Okay. This will be fun.

[00:06:48]Ready, set, go. Typically, I don't tell Mormons they are cult members because it's not really effective. It just >> Okay.

[00:06:56]Oh Oh, yes, you do.

[00:07:00]Like, bro, how can you say that when your whole channel >> as much content about the church? Is he still making content about the church?

[00:07:07]Oh Oh, and I I we should do an update on his his discography here. Yeah, we should look how many followers this guy has and like maybe He's up to 17 and a half thousand subs. 17 and a half K.

[00:07:19]>> Jealous. Uh Oh, well, let's see. So, look at his channel and I think we need to pump the brakes.

[00:07:26]I love this guy. Oh, really?

[00:07:27]>> I love this guy.

[00:07:29]Is it because of the toilet?

[00:07:30]>> No. You know why?

[00:07:32]Listen to this. Listen to this. When a Calvinist places his theology above the gospel, the atheist YouTuber wants me to become a Calvinist. Calvinism, why does God is an evil? Internet Calvinists make me very sad? Debunking Calvinism.

[00:07:47]Oh, so he just >> Calvinism debunked. So now he's got Calvinist derangement syndrome. Well, which I also have. So I like to We share a derangement syndrome, so we can be friends.

[00:07:59]So yeah, he You know, I mean yeah, there's a lot about us in there, but there's a lot about Calvinism which >> He's kind of moved on. He's from the Latter-Day Saints a little bit.

[00:08:08]>> Maybe he's moved on. Okay.

[00:08:10]>> So that's funny. He's made 400 400 videos in the past in the past how long has he been at this? I mean when we saw him it was 12. I think he's mostly doing shorts now, though. It looks like he hasn't posted a long form for over 5 months.

[00:08:24]>> Oh, bummer bummer.

[00:08:25]>> Okay, well he's a short form creator, so maybe he >> Okay, well let's analyze his short form.

[00:08:30]So he starts off by saying I don't usually call Mormons culty. Let's just go back to the beginning and hear that again. Typically, I don't tell Mormons they are cult members because it's not really effective. It just makes them upset and kills the conversation. Okay, so Yes, it isn't effective, you're right.

[00:08:47]But no, you're totally lying. Yes, you do call us cult members all the time.

[00:08:50]Yeah, and >> He's like, I don't typically call them cult members, but here's three reasons why they're cult members. Okay, well and then also what's killing the conversation is most likely your wildly condescending attitude that you enter the conversation with.

[00:09:03]>> Starting with, so you're in a cult.

[00:09:05]>> Like yeah, it's like it it's it's what we could talk ad nauseam respectfully about our sincerely held religious beliefs.

[00:09:13]I don't want to talk to you for 30 seconds disrespectfully about my sincerely held religious beliefs. So I can almost guarantee you this is a tone and tenor issue, not a substantive issue, but let's give him the benefit of doubt and continue.

[00:09:28]>> Yeah. But with that said, here are a few cult-like behaviors I have noticed from meeting with Mormons.

[00:09:34]>> I love the editing, man.

[00:09:35]>> whenever you say but with that said >> that said >> It's like don't think any women are ugly, but with that said, honey, that dress makes you look fat.

[00:09:44]I don't typically call them a cult members, but here's a picture of Joseph Smith with horns in a pitchfork.

[00:09:50]IN FRONT OF THE TEMPLE.

[00:09:53]WELL, ALL RIGHT, let's The horns dance onto the screen. That's hilarious.

[00:09:58]I love it. Now he's getting tithing money to make hit videos, dude. Yes, over the years. Number one is that they teach that disagreement is demonic.

[00:10:06]Okay. I disagree with that. Oh, what a I disagree with that.

[00:10:10]>> How dare you be so demonic?

[00:10:13]The disagreement is demonic, all right?

[00:10:16]The panel, is he right? No, Russell M.

[00:10:18]Nelson made a very, very large portion of his legacy, whether he meant to or not, the discussion over his famous peacemakers sermon, how we need to be peacemakers, and he specifically says this does not mean peace at any price, but he called out Christians for being far too uh willing and able and likely to engage in combative disagreement, especially over things like religion, politics, uh other interpersonal affairs, and he said this this need not be if we are Christians, that we should practice the healers art, and we should be a net positive, we should be the salt that give it the plate its savor, and we need more peacemakers, not less.

[00:11:04]So, that is so far from saying disagreement is demonic. I would say that suburban niceness and propriety culture shies away from disagreement to a point where um it can be detrimental to the overall well-being of the society because we're afraid to talk about uh sensitive issues. I think there was a lot of parents that didn't want to talk about sex with their kids in the in the '80s and the '90s cuz the Christian right had such a stranglehold on the propriety of the conversation that it led to a lot of uh a dysfunction in later years, but that's at best a cultural issue, not a doctrinal one. And trust me, Mormons are more than willing to engage on disagreement about their beliefs.

[00:11:44]>> Okay. Okay. Easter's elephant, your take. Well, I got to say, I've never heard this be used in example as an example for us being part of a cult.

[00:11:53]>> Cult-like.

[00:11:53]>> Yeah. And My first question is even if that were true, which I think Cardon already established that disagreeing is not demonic for Latter-day Saints, why would that make us cult-like?

[00:12:04]>> That's a great That's a great point.

[00:12:05]>> Cuz we're conforming like we we we like are afraid to speak up. Or maybe we're just trying to be nice to each other.

[00:12:11]Like, if worst comes to worst and it is a niceness culture thing, oh, boo-hoo.

[00:12:16]Somebody's trying to be nice to you.

[00:12:17]>> Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Hasn't watched Ward Radio where disagreements happen all the time.

[00:12:24]So.

[00:12:25]>> Like, for example, I don't just come out the gates, right, and then start criticizing his looks or the bad lighting in his studio or like But But But But shirt. Like, I I I I don't do that. No, but I'm I'm I'm actually just I'm like issuing a point here.

[00:12:39]>> doing it right now. No, like, I mean, I could come at him and say, "You're not covering the almost balding, bro." You know, "Oh, see, we hate it." No, like, it it's you you don't do that. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So, it's like So so if I'm just like trying to be nice to you by not just like immediately criticizing your poor lighting, you know, like Sure. it it it's that shows like, "Hey, I understand you're an image bearer of God. As a fellow creator, I understand that you're starting to, you know, create. Maybe you weren't, you know, blessed with a long history of, I don't know, cinematography and media creation before or whatever.

[00:13:14]Like, I I I'm trying to be cool. Like, let's let's be cool." Also, a lot of these things, who knows? Uh it just like just cuz someone's nice doesn't mean they think niceness is demonic. Yeah.

[00:13:25]You know.

[00:13:26]>> We're told We're told to contend Yeah.

[00:13:28]So, where where this comes from is in the Book of Mormon where Jesus Christ says in 3 Nephi chapter 11, "He that hath the spirit of contention is not of me, but of the devil." Who is the father of contention? Okay, so So, people read this wrong. They think it's contention is of the devil. That's not true. They think it's the spirit of contention is of the devil. Also not true.

[00:13:49]>> Ooh. It's he that hath the spirit of contention is not of me, but is of the devil. Mhm. Interesting.

[00:13:57]It's somebody who just They're just a person who's just a vessel of wrath.

[00:14:02]They're just They just want to fight.

[00:14:04]>> What was that tripartite not syllogism? It's not like contention is of the devil. Some people make that mistake. That's not true. They say, "Oh, no, it's the spirit of contention."

[00:14:15]Actually, also not true. It's he that hath the spirit of contention is not of me.

[00:14:23]So, The Incredible Hulk when he's green is just Red Hulk.

[00:14:27]>> Antichrist.

[00:14:28]>> I think he he I think he was envisioning Red Hulk.

[00:14:30]>> Red Hulk, okay. Yeah, I think that's what this was.

[00:14:33]So, um horrible movie, by the way.

[00:14:34]>> He has the >> Don't I don't even remember it.

[00:14:36]>> contention.

[00:14:37]>> You know, any anytime you fanboy over a celebrity, just remember even Harrison Ford got roped into Red Hulk.

[00:14:42]Harrison Ford was in that movie?

[00:14:43]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've never seen it.

[00:14:45]That kind of kind of bursts your whole celebrity bubble. Anyways, so So, yeah, it's the a person who has the spirit of contention is of the devil. So, he's saying people who walk around and all they want to do is divide and fight and make people fight. And we know people like that. Jesus Christ is saying that is of the devil.

[00:15:06]You're not You're not you know, he's the father of contention and you're acting like his kids.

[00:15:12]Anyways, that's where that comes from.

[00:15:13]So, Dominic and you're out there, that's where that comes from. We do place peace as a paramount virtue. We do believe peace is a very paramount virtue. We will disagree all the time. But >> Yeah, I mean we've gotten really far away from just disagreements at this point.

[00:15:31]Anyway. That's funny. Okay, well let's keep going. Let's keep going here. I'll repeat this one so just audience knows where we're at.

[00:15:37]>> I've noticed from meeting with Mormons over the years. Number one is that they teach that disagreement is demonic. This is done so that if you present objections to them, they'll say, "Oh, this is demonic. We got to get out of here." Ah, okay.

[00:15:50]>> mechanism to prevent their missionaries from converting away FROM THE FAITH.

[00:15:58]YEAH, THERE IT IS. THERE IT IS.

[00:16:00]THEY'RE just so afraid of my gnosis.

[00:16:02]>> Dude, it's So afraid of my gnosis. They can't help themselves.

[00:16:06]They can't help themselves.

[00:16:09]>> missionaries aren't out there to debate theology. They're out there to find the sheep. So these guys accost them on the street and they're like >> My aura, my aura is so mega. They have to wear sunglasses.

[00:16:21]The church issues sunglasses so that they don't see the light of my Jesus.

[00:16:28]My genius Jesus. Yeah, missionaries are not out there to like debate theology.

[00:16:33]They're out there to find the sheep. So when you accost them and you're like, "Hey, you know, I heard that you guys are a cult blah blah blah." They often will say, rightly so, "You know, I'm sorry. We have some other things to do.

[00:16:43]God bless you. Have a good day."

[00:16:45]>> I'm I'm out of here.

[00:16:45]>> They're not Yeah, they're not saying that's of the devil. You're demonic. I don't want to be converted. And your theology, I I based off of your past behavior, which is most likely going to predict your future behavior, you have free agency so it doesn't have to. So I will actually I won't say waste my time telling you this. But for people in the bleachers that might be watching, what was the word in Spanish that was constantly drilled down your throat? It was constantly uh you were constantly reminded of it. It starts with an E.

[00:17:16]What do we always say? You don't want to be mejor No, uh menor efi enchiladas No, no. It's Is that not a No, come on. You want to be mas eficaz. Oh, okay.

[00:17:27]>> times as a missionary we're always told we have to be, you know, mas eficaz, menos eficaz? No. And and it's almost like a joke. That means efficient. Oh, okay. Or effective.

[00:17:38]Um it's I I think the correct translation means effective, but oftentimes it's used in term a terminology of efficiency. So, missionaries, we know we have a limited time. We have 2 years to serve our mission.

[00:17:48]And we know you can only talk to so many people. You can only teach so many folks. This isn't a lifetime calling.

[00:17:53]You're called to serve for 2 years. So, a lot of serving in your mission is choosing between good, better, and best.

[00:18:00]Okay?

[00:18:01]>> And if I have somebody I know that wants to learn and I've got an appointment at 3:00, but there's somebody that like I got a beef with that I'd love to Bible bash with and prove that I was right about the Trinity or whatever. You know, you're probably going to skip that one and go to the person that actually wants to learn. Yes. And and you have to subdue your pride. It it it really Like sometimes I would much rather dunk on the anti-Mormon theology guy I argued with yesterday that said, "Yeah, come back anytime, bro. Come back anytime you want." And say like, "Hey, I found the scripture I was talking about and you're actually wrong. This was said in Luke, you know." Right. I would love to feed my pride as a missionary doing that. But >> Right. there's a single mom out there that actually uh stumbled into church one day and thought, "Oh my gosh, I have community here that I've never had before and I feel something unique that I never have before. And um I I I want to know more.

[00:18:53]What is this about eternal families that you have? My husband was shot in Iraq. I miss him terribly, but I want to move on. And And now there's like an emotional and a spiritual need >> Mhm. Right. that that that that I have over here. I want to feed my ego desperately. Yes, right. I also want to help this woman. And there's good, there's better and best. So, I'm sorry, bro. I'd love to argue with you, but I got a single mom over here who's on a spiritual journey that I want to help her with.

[00:19:19]>> Yes. Yes. Yes. So.

[00:19:20]>> So, the genius I thought this was absolute inspiration when Preach My Gospel came out, it came out on my mission. What is the purpose of missionary work? Do you remember?

[00:19:32]Do you remember what it is?

[00:19:32]>> others to come under Christ.

[00:19:34]>> Say the verb again. Invite.

[00:19:35]>> Invite. In Spanish? Enchilada. Okay.

[00:19:40]That's the I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure that's Look guys, I'm I'm the social professor of all things topical, please.

[00:19:46]So, yeah, the purpose is to invite. And so, missionaries out there, your purpose is not to teach English.

[00:19:52]Your purpose is not to argue and Bible bash.

[00:19:55]Your purpose isn't you know, for proselytizing missionaries, it isn't even to do service, actually. Yeah. Your purpose is to invite. If you had to sum it up in one verb, that's the verb. Enchiladar would be the verb. To invite is your verb. And so, so these missionaries are not out there. So, like we're not out there to win an argument. We're out there to invite.

[00:20:17]>> Yeah, also just just slow your roll, bro. And Dominic Enyart, you're invited on this show anytime you want, okay?

[00:20:25]We'll debunk these things in real time.

[00:20:27]I will I will pay for your plane flight to come down here and stick you in a hotel so that you can ask anything you want, cart cart blanche to Jonah and I if if you take any issue with anything we say, but just let me tell you this, man.

[00:20:44]You know that raging feminist girl that can't shut up about how toxic masculinity is and about how great feminism is and how whenever she comes home from dates, she's your sister's friend or maybe she might even be a friend of yours from college and you're talking on the phone and and she talks about how, you know, like, I don't know why men are just like, you know, like they just can't handle me. Like my greatness. Like they just can't handle like a real woman, you know? And it's like Stephanie, like I I I'm pretty sure it's not that, you know, it it uh I think it's a you thing, not a them thing. Like I'm just going to throw that out there, and it's probably personality. And, you know, like like maybe we could, you know, tighten some some some loose bolts here, maybe loosen some up tight bolts, you know? Like just there's like come on, girlfriend. Yeah.

[00:21:33]So, when he's saying that like, "Oh, you know, dude, they have to re-brainwash them every night because our knowledge is so intense." It's like I don't think they're ignoring you.

[00:21:44]Like, "They won't talk to me because my knowledge is so intense. They can't handle it." You're kind of like the feminist girl that's like, "Why can't men handle me?" And it's like I have a feeling uh you know >> Well, and you know, jokes on them because while they're arguing on the internet about theology, we're having the highest baptisms we've ever had.

[00:22:04]Yeah, that's true. So, here we go into the second or the third thing that he mentioned.

[00:22:10]>> We're still on disagreement. He says it's demonic. No, we've got to hear this one again. This was hilarious.

[00:22:16]This was funny. is that they teach that disagreement is demonic. This is done so that if you present objections to them, they'll say, "Oh, this is demonic. We got to get out of here." This is a mechanism to prevent their missionaries from converting away from the faith.

[00:22:31]Number two is they will always outnumber you when meeting to talk about Mormonism. I've noticed that when there's a missionary who's less mature in their faith, typically a higher up will encourage them not to meet you again. Okay.

[00:22:45]Okay, now you've been a you were a missionary in Chile. Yeah. Again, there it is. Oh, they were encouraged by the higher ups not to meet with me because the higher ups knew that they couldn't handle me, man.

[00:22:58]That's right. Oh, dude, he's chicken, bro.

[00:23:01]>> He >> his conversation fantasy where they go back and they're like, "There's this guy. Uh he's a Christian preacher and he knows Galatians 1:8." And they're like, "Don't talk to him, son. Don't go in there. You'll never get out alive."

[00:23:12]>> the angel of light? Oh, no.

[00:23:15]>> mention the angel of light? RUN FOR YOUR LIFE.

[00:23:17]>> RUN. YEAH. OH, please tell me he doesn't talk about the last verses in Revelation. Oh, that gets everybody to death now. That'll be the Oh, just the coffin is shut. No, save yourself. Run.

[00:23:29]>> That's why we're That's why we're hemorrhaging members because of these witty, witty online pastors.

[00:23:35]So, Ryland, when you were on your mission, who were you paired with all the time?

[00:23:41]You were You were part of a companionship.

[00:23:43]>> Yes. And one companion is different than the other. How are they split up? One is the senior companion. One is the junior companion.

[00:23:51]>> Interesting. Why do they do that, do you suppose?

[00:23:55]Uh that's a good question. Well, I mean First off, you usually it's seniority base. So, oftentimes It just has to do with time. It's almost always seniority base.

[00:24:03]>> And oftentimes it's linguistic. You need, especially in foreign language missions, you need somebody who has a higher command of the language and can keep you from taking the bus south instead of going north or whatever.

[00:24:15]>> Okay. Great. And so, the senior companion has also been there for long enough and oftentimes junior companions, freshies, greenies off the boat, they'll be like, "Oh, oh I just met this guy and he said that like he really wants to know more about the Trinity and and we should talk to him about it." And then after talking about it with him, we the the senior companion realizes, "Oh, I know what this is. Yeah, the guy's a pastor in the local church. He's had this experience before. He knows. We've experienced this. The guy's not interested. Move along. This is not effective."

[00:24:43]>> enchilada Yeah, it's not enchilada. I've seen this a hundred times. Yeah. Which is a Mexican dish, not a Chilean dish.

[00:24:50]That's the same country, actually.

[00:24:53]Yeah.

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[00:25:44]Oh. Oh, oh yeah. Yeah, it's Tex-Mex now.

[00:25:47]All right. That's what Yeah, okay. All right. No, but but you have a senior companion who knows that that guy's a pickpocket or knows that this woman is a waste of time or knows that they're just going to take a lot of time. You have a senior who steers you away from that stuff. That's the point. What kind of It's a brilliant system actually. Did you ever have a senior companion steer you away from an open alligator's mouth?

[00:26:08]Any Not particularly an open alligator's mouth, no. But um I mean I touched like a 20-ft crocodile once in Florida and I think it was the stupidest thing I ever did cuz it was in the wild and >> a crocodile. That's an alligator. Or sorry, no, an alligator. And it was dark, like black dark. That's how old it was. Not a good idea. And I was like, "Yeah, dude, I think I can get it."

[00:26:29]See, this is why we put senior companions Your senior companion People like that. No, this is when I was with my biological father and if something would have happened to me, my mom would have been so furious.

[00:26:39]>> See, this is why a senior companion would say, "Elder Ellis, that's a really bad idea." Elder Ellis.

[00:26:45]>> do that. Now knowing what I know about freaking alligators, I'm like, I'm so lucky I'm alive.

[00:26:50]>> Yeah. dude.

[00:26:52]That's crazy. Yeah, so anyway, let's keep going. Okay, let's hear what he's got to say.

[00:26:58]This seems to be done to prevent them from hearing objections to their beliefs.

[00:27:03]>> Oh yeah, cuz we we struggle. We struggle as missionaries hearing objections to our beliefs.

[00:27:08]>> is just objection, objection, objection every single second of the day.

[00:27:14]Yes.

[00:27:15]And heaven forbid this guy brings it what a what? Wait, somebody on the street is is mounting an objection? Oh my gosh. Get out of there quickly. Can you imagine what missionary work would be like every time like oh objection oh demonic if we disagree demonic if we disagree out of here.

[00:27:31]>> Can't talk to that guy. Senior companions go to anyone. You couldn't talk to anyone.

[00:27:35]If you think that you're tough to deal with bro with all of your super based I need sunglasses cuz your Jesus aura is too bright. Like if you think you're tough to deal with Dominic, okay?

[00:27:48]Wait until you're serving in Argentina when bombs over Baghdad drop and the war in Iraq starts in a socialist leftist country like Argentina that hates Americans and you're a 6 foot 5 white guy and they just come up screaming in your face I'm NOT TELLING YOU JUNK AND YOU'RE JUST LIKE WHOA which I won't even translate that one for you and junkie is the the slang term for North American. They literally call you have junkie with mind yours. Yes, exactly.

[00:28:22]Imagine Imagine you're with the missionaries like when I do splits and you would have to go down to CSUN California State University at Northridge the most liberal campus in America. You think you're tough Dominic?

[00:28:38]You think you're tough? Wait until you have the raging lesbian brigade ready to just pounce on the poor kid from Taylorsville ville who's only 18 and they want to trauma dump all of their pro fete rage on the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and you are captive on their campus.

[00:29:01]Like like like we're we're talking about the people that shot Charlie Kirk here, okay? But with no bulletproof vest and all the rage before woke wasn't cool.

[00:29:10]I've been in those situations, bro, and trust me there was no higher-up defending us from the truth of the raging angry LGBTQ activist dog. You are nothing compared to these cats. That's why you guys have to grab guns to shoot at us when you want to fight with us.

[00:29:27]Oh, dude. Cuz you know I'm sorry. I'm sorry. We survived 20 25 years of woke without getting shot at. We didn't survive 2 and 1/2 months of the post woke world before it before it cats talking like he talks came after us.

[00:29:43]>> Yeah. So I I >> So So I served my mission in Russia in 2003. So the Iraq war was just breaking out in Afghanistan. Now Russia had gone to Afghanistan. Okay? So yeah, everybody you meet is like George Bush and they start going on and on and on about George >> the a Bush. That what they always say.

[00:30:01]I'm not the a Bush. I'm not the a Bush.

[00:30:03]Which means go back to Bush. Go back to Bush.

[00:30:06]>> to we got to stop with this whole like infantilizing of missionaries, okay?

[00:30:10]Because there's missionaries come in all shapes and sizes, all right? And and not all of them are are sent to the same place or experience the same things. But when these people from the outside look down their noses from behind their cameras in their little studios at our missionaries going around the world dealing with this stuff, I want to say you got to you got to check yourself, okay? We get all kinds of flack out there. Dangerous stuff. It makes our we don't tell our moms No. half the stories that happen to us. They would be mad.

[00:30:37]>> You don't. They would demand we come home Yes. immediately. You have dad stories. Dude, we wouldn't tell our mission president.

[00:30:45]>> You have stories. If you got in a fight or there was an attack upon you, it was like we knew the mandatory policy that you close the area. And and but if you had families you were working with and so on and so forth. I was robbed at gunpoint and we didn't tell the mission president.

[00:30:58]I would Oh oh my gosh, dude. We would get attacked physically. Yeah. Like literally. Just just just Oh, Argentina was the first Argentina was the first first country to legalize transgender surgeries and I lived in Constitución next to one of the first clinics that would actually do it. And they as part of their recovery period they they would they would create these communities in the conventillos that they had down there, right? And the times I was grabbed and groped while walking through those things, What the weirdest >> was It's like a hot chick at a party.

[00:31:32]I'm not kidding you. Like I I know what that feels like cuz it'll be funny cuz there was like this thing where they It happened to us once in the mission I was like, "Whoa, what's going on there?" You know, and then the person actually said was an older Argentine said like, "I'm sorry this person's maleducado maleducado which means like just rude.

[00:31:49]They know that you can't fight back so it's funny to them." So so it's like you know, like everything from being robbed at gunpoint to being groped by people that think it's funny cuz you can't fight back to just like Dude, it's all happened and we don't tell the mission president for fear that he might just close the area and transfer somewhere else. And and if you get in a fight, forget it. They transfer you cuz they don't want reprisal on the missionaries.

[00:32:13]We had missionaries killed in our mission. Yeah, right. You know. And we're not suggesting this. We're not prescribing that you keep secrets from your mission president officially.

[00:32:21]We're not saying you should do that. But but No, dude. Safety is important. But Elder so Elder Elmes, who's a fan of the show, who we reconnected because of the show, Elder Elmes and his companion I think his companion Elder Taylor had reconstructive a on his skull because they're beat up by a bunch of thugs in Russia. They didn't even close the area.

[00:32:40]I was the district leader. They didn't close the area for it. And they messed with the wrong guy cuz they happened to pick the two most yolked missionaries in the entire mission. These guys were I don't know how many noses they broke before they went down.

[00:32:55]But Elder Allen was a fan of the show.

[00:32:57]Anyways, yeah, so so we can handle Russian mafiosos. And we can handle Argentine thugs robbing us at gunpoint.

[00:33:05]But you know what we can't handle?

[00:33:07]Galatians 1:8.

[00:33:09]And evangelicals. We can't We can't handle it, bro.

[00:33:13]Galatians 1:8. Okay, so here we go.

[00:33:14]We're going back 5 seconds to finish this out. will encourage them not to meet you again. This seems to be done to prevent them from hearing objections to their beliefs. And the third is they teach that evidence is secondary to emotion. So if there's evidence against Mormonism that violates your emotion, you should reject that because emotion over evidence. Okay, Ryland, what do you have to say about that? You're just emotional. You don't even care about evidence at all. Is this their recycled burning in the bosom garbage?

[00:33:46]>> Yes. I think that's exactly what it is.

[00:33:49]It's just garbage.

[00:33:51]I mean, if you interact with Latter-day Saints truth claims at all, We're very evidence-based. Moroni's promise is evidence-based. We say, "Pray to your Father in heaven. Have a spiritual experience."

[00:34:04]>> An emotional experience?

[00:34:06]>> Yeah, that's all that is, Carland. What is the difference between a fundamental aspect of Christianity is understanding the difference between emotional reaction and spiritual revelation.

[00:34:16]This is why we talk so much about spiritual gifts. That's why we talk so much about the Holy Spirit. Every Christian believes in the Trinity, that there is a Holy Ghost. What does that Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit do? It is the operative function of what? Inspiring archaeologists to find runes that prove that David was actually a person in the Levant 3,000 years ago. Wait, is that all you were No, that's not what I was thinking.

[00:34:39]>> Oh, I thought it was evidence. The Holy Ghost creates evidence. Oh, I see.

[00:34:44]>> to dig up. Is that what it does? No, it's it's it's the method through which God speaks to us is through the Holy Spirit.

[00:34:50]>> Oh, right. I was going to say that.

[00:34:52]>> But what he's really saying is there's verses in the Bible that I interpret in a way that is different from me Latter-day Saints. 100%. Your reason for disagreeing is revelation? Is emotion? Mhm. No. Like >> Look at my evidence.

[00:35:06]>> Like my evidence is you should trust me, bro. Like this is what it says.

[00:35:09]>> Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

[00:35:10]>> Like Yeah, anyway. Cuz you know, he probably is talking about the Bible, something he finds in the Bible that he perceives as a contradiction that he says is evidence against us. And then when we're like well, that's not how we understand it. He says it's my emotion.

[00:35:25]>> You just can't handle it.

[00:35:27]That's what it is. You just can't handle it.

[00:35:29]>> Really, it's revelation.

[00:35:31]Is what is how we understand >> Right.

[00:35:34]>> the interpretation of things, not if some guy in the street says you should you should read it this way.

[00:35:38]>> Right.

[00:35:38]>> And and then that's what I want to that's my rebuttal to this oh, you emotion over evidence. And I'm like, okay, well uh kind of no, but kind of yeah. But kind of yeah.

[00:35:49]Basing your faith off evidence I think is If emotion is revelation then kind of yeah.

[00:35:55]>> Then kind of yeah. So, wait. So, evidence. So, you base your faith that a man rose from the grave after 3 days.

[00:36:01]Which which goes against all of human experience over the past 8 billion years and biology. And you think that he rose from the grave to redeem you from death and hell.

[00:36:12]And you you you base that off of evidence? Off of what? Off of some Galilean fisherman who who wrote it down? No, excuse me. Some people who said some Galilean fisherman said that 40 years and wrote some text. And that's the evidence that you base your life-altering, life-consuming philosophy and religion upon? That's the evidence?

[00:36:32]That's crazy. You're crazy. Atheists and non-Christians have that same evidence.

[00:36:37]>> They do? They do. No, I evidence versus emotion, no, evidence versus faith.

[00:36:42]Evidence versus faith. Evidence versus revelation. That's what That's Yeah, maybe we say that part I mean I mean do we have to get into epistemology here? But like the evidence >> Oh, here comes Mr. PhD here.

[00:36:54]>> Listen. No, no, no. You know, here's the deal. Here's the deal. No talk about it.

[00:36:57]No talk about it.

[00:36:58]Like for us, what counts as evidence?

[00:37:00]Revelation is 100% part of that.

[00:37:03]>> Huh? If it's So, it's not like revelation is over evidence, it is evidence.

[00:37:07]>> Oh, I like it. If it's revelation, not just feel-goodness.

[00:37:12]>> Well, exactly. And we train our constituents to know the difference between the two.

[00:37:17]Like like I have a different emotion today than I did when I was in September when I was 16 years old back in a million years ago when I received a witness from the Holy Ghost that the Book of Mormon was true.

[00:37:29]I have a different emotion today. I feel different today. I might wake up hungry or get sad about this or happy about that. But you still believe it. That revelation that I was given from the Holy Spirit, that doesn't go away. That I count that as evidence that it was true. I received I tried the promise of Moroni and it worked. I count that as evidence.

[00:37:50]>> That is evidence. Yeah. Absolutely.

[00:37:51]>> Very good. Very good. I like that. I like that.

[00:37:54]Okay. Well, and and I think right now it's actually we have an interesting opportunity to dissect a little bit. And I do want to talk about this.

[00:38:05]I get only in my most when I'm in my most magnanimous attitude towards these anti-Mormons. Okay, like when I am in my most well-rested, well-fed, You didn't sleep that well last night.

[00:38:19]>> Good. Yeah, but good blood sugar. Like when I'm in my best mood and I want to think, "Okay, is there actually a grain of validity to what they say?"

[00:38:30]Um, we are a heavily proselyting religion.

[00:38:33]And one of our most general go-to invitations is, "Hey, take this book, read it, ask your Father in Heaven if if this is a path you should be on."

[00:38:45]And for people who maybe don't have any kind of spiritual training because they've never really been to any church whatsoever or engaged in any kind of um personal prayer before. Even Joseph Smith himself had said before the first vision, uh never before had I ventured to pray vocally >> Uh-huh. uh before he entered the sacred grove and actually said his prayer. We understand that there's plenty of people that um don't have a history of lifetime membership in a church and haven't really prayed before, but they're spiritual seekers and they they want to give it a try. So, they ask us like, "Okay, well, how do I pray?" And well, we show them the scriptures. Well, Jesus Christ showed us the method to pray.

[00:39:24]Father in Heaven, hallowed be thy name.

[00:39:26]So, you start out addressing your Father in Heaven. We say Heavenly Father or Dear God or Dear Heavenly Father, whatever, you know. Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven. Well, I mean, you could always just say the prayer it is right here, memorize it, and kind of just repeat it.

[00:39:40]I mean, there's plenty of Catholics and plenty of people that recite memorized prayers. We believe it's supposed to be like a personalized thing. Okay, so um pour out your heart and soul. Maybe tell him how your day was, make it a little bit of a meditative experience, uh ask for a few things that are of uh righteous and worthy uh value um uh but also just be honest. And if you honestly want to know if the Book of Mormon is true, here's another scripture. In Moroni 10:4, it says, "You know, I would that when you receive these things that you would ask your Father in Heaven if they are not true.

[00:40:19]And if you ask with a sincere heart and with real intent, he will manifest these things unto you. Okay, well, what does manifest now mean? Which then turns into a conversation of how can you recognize the Holy Spirit? Okay.

[00:40:32]When you see a hot chick for the first time, you think, "Ah, I want to ask her out." You know, that's that's I would not the Holy Spirit. That's probably not the Holy Ghost. Well, how can I recognize the Holy Ghost? Okay, well, here's some scriptures on what it feels like. Well, here were the apostles when they were Jesus and they said, "Did our hearts not burn within us?" Okay.

[00:40:52]You, bro, what's the difference between your heart skipping a beat beat because you're sexually attracted to a woman and you think what they were talking about when they said, "Did not our hearts burn within us?" Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, I see what you're saying here. And then you have a conversation like, is the way you felt good when Old Yeller died at the end of that movie or you were crying? Do you think that was the spirit of God telling you that this movie is inspired of him or do you think maybe that was just emotion? You know, what I'm saying? Like, and you have a conversation about it, but because we dare mention the scripture and dare mention burning in the bosom as part of our conversation to determine the difference between uh spiritual and revelatory experience and simple emotion, it always gets twisted by these cats. It always gets twisted and I just think the only reason you would not be able to steel man somebody after 200 years of this being a go-to anti-Mormon evangelical trope is if you actually were just plain old bigoted anti-Mormon.

[00:41:59]As your senior companion, I have to I have to tell you to stop engaging with Enier cuz it's going to shake your testimony.

[00:42:05]I have to put a stop to this.

[00:42:07]>> Disagreement is of the devil. Well, we're also assuming that he thought that the higher-ups were the senior companions cuz he put the picture of the missionaries on the YouTube short.

[00:42:15]>> Yeah. I think he's actually talking Mike Winner style about the mission president. I think he might have been, too. About the like the head which by the way that is so pernicious of an accusation because if you take it to its logical conclusion, what that really means is that the higher-ups also know that the doctrine is false. Ah, yes, that's right. That they're just just don't just whatever you do don't don't mention Galatians 2:8 cuz you're going to ruin my pension. Well, yeah.

[00:42:46]Well, what would be the motivation? But see, this is what's funny and it shows their it shows their ignorance because the mission president doesn't get a pension. Right. There's no retirement in this. There's no money in this, okay?

[00:42:55]They barely pay the stipend for your your your your housing those 2 years that you serve if you request it, but many are so wealthy that they don't request it. And they barely pay >> for 3 years.

[00:43:05]>> Exactly. It is a net loss for these people. Yeah. No, your career is over.

[00:43:09]So so be and it kind of manifests a lot of their biases.

[00:43:15]Only somebody who is receiving money for their priestcraft would assume that another is doing it for financial motivation.

[00:43:27]So I want to I was going to talk about that. What you were going to say something, right?

[00:43:30]Well, a couple things. So as far as evidence is concerned, I'm glad you brought up Romans verse 10 or chapter 10 verse 4 cuz there's there's a few things. It's an experiment. You mentioned that you have to have a sincere heart, real intent, and faith in Christ. So you have to not just like read it and feel good about it. You have to start to experiment with it to engage with it. Engage with the truth claims.

[00:43:55]But when it comes to manifesting the truth of it unto you I think the reason why this can be such a interesting topic difficult topic to talk about what it's like to feel the spirit is because it can't be put in put into words.

[00:44:09]Like how do you describe certain assurances? You have to try and narrow it down into words that represent what occurred.

[00:44:18]But we don't have the language I think to describe what some of this revelatory experience is like.

[00:44:24]>> Well, we do, but it's almost tangential.

[00:44:26]Just like Jesus Christ when he said when he was talking to Nicodemus and he was asked to basically I I identify God for lack of a better term and he said, "Well, you don't see him, but it's like the wind. It cometh and goeth wherever it listeth and we can't see it."

[00:44:40]>> It's all just kind of metaphor to describe an experience.

[00:44:43]>> But all of those of us who have gone through it recognize what it is and so we can agree upon it afterwards, but when we start engaging in that conversation, they call it nonsensical emotion over reason and burning in the bosom. But when you turn around and you ask them to explain the spirit, they either say the exact same thing, but it's okay cuz them okay.

[00:45:10]Or they just have either never wrestled with it or can't articulate it or they recognize the trap and then like run away, but like that I guess that is my challenge to any anti-Mormon evangelical out there who wants to condemn the Mormon church for relying too heavily on feelings, which we're not. We're relying on spiritual revelation, which is different than feelings. But in case there is confusion and for the one out of 1,000 of you that may actually be sincere about this, when Jesus Christ was approached and was accused of doing things in the name of Beelzebub, he said, "By whom did your prophets cast out devils?" If you say I cast out devils by power of Beelzebub, by whom did your fathers cast out devils, right?

[00:45:57]I would ask the anti-Mormon evangelicals or the anti-Mormon Protestants or just the anti-Mormons in general such as this N Yard theology guy. Um Dominic we'll call him Big D. So Big D, my man.

[00:46:11]If by the burning in the bosom, okay, we recognize the Holy Ghost and that's incorrect.

[00:46:22]How did your fathers Yeah.

[00:46:25]>> and do you recognize the influence of the Holy Spirit in your life? Yeah.

[00:46:31]>> I mean the consubstantial and effusive and uh Trinitarian manifestation of the personhood and not the ousia of God in the flesh but without the flesh everywhere nowhere the unmoved mover of uh history that had to come into existence after endless ecumenical councils I mean that goes without saying.

[00:46:48]>> thousand years and it never showed up in the Bible. Yes, that one.

[00:46:52]>> goes without saying. Obviously, we all knew. So so Dominic, how do you recognize the spirit if a burning in the bosom is wrong? So you know how So in order to get your haircut in many many states, you have to get a license. You have to be a licensed stylist.

[00:47:10]>> my haircut? You have to go get You have to go to a licensed barber. Okay? Now my wife >> Oh, go ahead. Yeah. My wife cuts my own hair. And she's not a licensed barber.

[00:47:22]She's not a licensed barber. So that is actually illegal in many many many many many states. That is illegal. Why?

[00:47:27]Because the barbers went to the legislature and they said, "You can't have just anybody cutting hair. You have to only let us cut hair. Okay?" And that is the the guild. They're protecting the guild. It's a barrier to entry.

[00:47:39]>> Is this real?

[00:47:40]Yes.

[00:47:41]>> There's such thing as like a barber guild? Like you have to have Dude, I was In California you need I think it's like 6,400 hours whereas in other states it's only 1,600 hours.

[00:47:51]>> neither confirm nor deny who cuts my hair, Don. You got to protect people here.

[00:47:55]>> Dude, dude, it's legit. Well, maybe Montana Montana might be a little a little looser. I know Ether Russell Allred is is out of Montana. So, maybe a little looser, but in many states they have these regulatory barriers. And what happens is that the people who are kind of in that tier that who who have the degree or have the certification, they go to the legislature and say, "Make it harder to get this certification."

[00:48:15]Because they already have it. Get it?

[00:48:18]So, they want to box out It's an economic barrier to entry is what that is. I'm sorry. I have economists in my family and they fill my head with this nonsense.

[00:48:26]But, uh my brother >> Mormon. That's true.

[00:48:29]So, so what I see here and I'm trying not to be too cynical here today with my Christian brother is that the problem with the spirit is that the spirit just cuts anyone's old anyone's hair.

[00:48:42]The spirit is the Yeah, I'll stick with me. Stick with me. Stick with me. The spirit is the democratization of truth.

[00:48:51]It's the democratization that anybody can feel the spirit anywhere, anytime.

[00:48:55]The spirit can manifest the truth of these things to anyone, right? And to a pastor who makes their money as a dispenser, as an expert in this field, that encroaches upon their market.

[00:49:09]Okay? That's a And so, he wants to create a barrier to entry just like the barbers do. They don't want just anybody cutting hair. You have to come to us and pay us a bunch for our haircut. Does this make a little more sense?

[00:49:20]>> got it. Yeah.

[00:49:21]It took me a while to come around.

[00:49:22]Ryland's like, "Okay. All right. All right. You're not crazy."

[00:49:26]>> my wife, "Don't cut my hair anymore.

[00:49:29]Yeah, it's illegal.

[00:49:30]>> Change your name. Change your address.

[00:49:33]We're going underground. So, I think that these pastors This is why they hate our spirit stuff. They hate the the promise of Moroni because it's accessible to anyone, anywhere. The spirit can inspire a Catholic person or an atheist person to do good things anywhere in the world at any time. They don't have to be a member of our church, but that type of non-exclusivity, that that degradation of those barriers threatens their market a lot cuz that's how they make their living. If you were to let for instance, if you were to say we're going to pass a law making dentistry anybody can practice it anywhere anytime. Who would come unglued?

[00:50:11]Dentists. They'd be like, "No, you can't do that. Here's all the reasons it's unsafe." And blah blah blah blah and they'd go crazy about it. Why? Cuz it's their job. Right? And that's why pastors are the ones telling you you can't feel the spirit. It's just silly emotion. The heart is deceitful.

[00:50:27]>> but ones that have this MDS, Mormon Derangement Syndrome.

[00:50:31]>> Yes, yes. That's why they say get away from the Holy Spirit. You can't do that because we don't have that barrier. We think the spirit can inspire Dominic.

[00:50:38]The spirit can inspire anybody. It can inspire an atheist to become a Catholic or a Catholic to become a a Protestant.

[00:50:44]Well, that's great. We have no problem with that because we don't have the market incentive.

[00:50:50]>> You don't need the spirit. We are your spirit. That Yes. I am the spirit.

[00:50:57]I am the spirit now. That is funny. All right. So, um yeah, that's it. I I I I hate to say it, but Dominic, I believe it's Dominic at Enyart Theology, my man.

[00:51:09]My man, let's bump it down a notch. All right, you got you got members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, aka Mormons wrong. Now, we don't slide you for it. We know that a lot of members of your churches converted to our church in the 1850s, '60s, '70s, '80s, so on and so forth.

[00:51:30]>> And yeah, and yesterday.

[00:51:32]>> And today.

[00:51:32]>> But but especially no, especially during the Joseph Smith era, there was entire congregations of mainline Protestant and denominations that would end up becoming the um precursors to modern evangelicalism.

[00:51:48]There were people that converted by the thousands and the tens of thousands in the 1820s, 30s, and 40s during the early Nauvoo, the early Joseph Smith era. And that a lot of ministers and pastors had to cobble together a bunch of just anti-Mormon tropes to try and stop the bleeding.

[00:52:09]>> yes. They had to try and stop the bleeding. And unfortunately, just like, you know, it still exists in the zeitgeist, this idea that oh, you you shouldn't go swimming after you eat cuz you might get cramps and drown and other stupid stuff like that.

[00:52:23]That there's there's a lot of misinformation and a lot of tropes that still get recycled in our society about all kinds of stuff. Well, the whole burning in the bosom, the whole our aura energy too strong, they can't handle it.

[00:52:38]The whole Galatians 1:8, that's one of them. The whole Revelation says you can't add to or take away from the Bible and the Book of Mormon is the Bible. And the whole plates too heavy argument.

[00:52:49]Like there's This is all bad, dude. There's plenty of reasons why you could legitimately hold sincerely held religious beliefs that are contrary, especially in some biblical interpretations, about why maybe you think we you shouldn't be Mormon or we're wrong. Or we're wrong. There there's tons of those.

[00:53:10]But plates too heavy, burning in the bosom, uh contention is demonic.

[00:53:18]All right, that that's not one of them, I think.

[00:53:20]>> No, disagreement is demonic. Now, you can not even contest Disagreement is demonic. This This is not one of them. So, we should start offering classes. I was going to do an outro here, but I just got an idea. We should start offering anti-Mormon classes. Anti-Mormon classes like how to actually disagree with us in a philosophical way, not in this kind of you know, backwards nonsense human beings. We need better enemies. Yes, yes, only $500 per hour and we will teach you to be a better anti-Mormon. I love this idea. I love this idea.

[00:53:53]>> be so funny. So At the discount price, man. Anyway, if you guys are listening on the radio, thank you for hanging out with us. It's been an absolute blast. If you guys are watching on YouTube, please let's hang out in the comments below afterwards. Let us know where we go wrong, where you think we went right, okay? And and you are theology, you are invited to come and hang out with us. We can do a live He means it.

[00:54:15]>> I know. We can do a live discussion debate, not one of those boring Lincoln-Douglas debates. I don't like those. But we will gladly do any discussion that you want.

[00:54:24]>> zoom in and we'll chat. We're harmless.

[00:54:26]Yeah.

[00:54:26]>> You're just trying to make your way, man.

[00:54:28]>> he comes here just because then if we have all the mics in our face, then we can do it on the radio. Oh, cool. Yeah.

[00:54:33]Oh, that'd be really cool. Oh, totally.

[00:54:34]Yeah, I'd love to do it on the radio, be fun. But yeah, you got a lot of tropes.

[00:54:38]This is your second This is your second strike. You know what I'm saying? So, we're just trying to We're trying to rehabilitate you. No, Christ allows 7 * 70, you know? So, anyway, um let us know where we go wrong, guys. For this and more, please make sure you check us out at worldradio.com.