Why Tucker Won't Say 'Six Million Jews'

Added: 2026-05-15

[00:00:00]This is Tucker Carlson. He's about to complain about Jews for like an hour and a half straight. It's actually wild. And he kind of draws parallels to religion and and you know wants to rename Christian Zionism and all kinds of stuff. It's wild. Just listen to this.

[00:00:15]But what's interesting is there are certain circumstances where Trump shows sincere reverence. There are the outlines of an actual religious faith here and they're not what you would expect. So here for example is Donald Trump the month before the last election. This is October 2024 visiting the grave of a man called Rebby Schneerson Rabbi Manakam Schneerson who is uh was he's since passed away the leader of a large Orthodox sect. He's Eastern European by birth. came with many of his followers to New York to Brooklyn and built a very successful though relatively speaking very small uh center of religious thought and political power. Actually, he died some years ago. There's the now president standing there. Um looks like maybe Ben Shapiro there, Howard Lutnik wearing a kippa on his head. Yeah, sure enough. Is this real? As you look at that, ask, is it possible to imagine Donald Trump ever mocking Rabbi Schneerson, who by the way, and this is kind of the point, is considered by some of his followers to be the Messiah. And to be completely clear, every American is allowed to decide for himself who the Messiah is.

[00:01:30]So that is not mockery of that belief. I don't personally believe it. But one of the reasons we've been able to live with people of different faiths in this country for 250 years is we don't mock other people's religious faith unless we're absolutely forced to. Unless you're trying to make me attend your religious rituals or bow down before a god I don't consider God. Unless it comes to that, we kind of let each other have our own religious views. And that has worked. That's changing very, very fast. Apparently, there were like supposed messiahs were a dime a dozen at the time, like back in Jesus' day. Jesus was not unique in his implications. I don't think Jesus ever claimed to be the son of man. I don't even know if he thought that he was, but everybody around him believed he was, and he didn't set them straight. at least regarding this guy Rebby Schneersen.

[00:02:25]Menakeim Mendel Schneerson 1902 to 1994 was the seventh and last rebby of the Shabbad Lubovich Hidic movement. He didn't personally claim to be the Messiah, but a significant faction of his followers came to believe he was the the Messiah. Um, that's interesting.

[00:02:45]Schneersen transformed Shabbad from a relatively insular hidic sect into a global outreach juggernaut. Thousands of Shabbad houses in cities worldwide, aggressive cir uh kiru, I'm sorry, outreach to secular Jews, and enormous political influence, particularly in the US and Israel. He was brilliant, charismatic, and treated by his followers with a level of reverence that's hard to overstate. Okay. Wow. By the late 80s and 90s, messianic fervor around him intensified. Some followers openly declared him the Messiah.

[00:03:21]Schneersen's own statements were ambiguous enough to fuel it. He spoke frequently about the imminence of the messianic age and the need to prepare for the Messiah's arrival without explicitly saying, "I am not the Messiah." Critics within Orthodox Judaism saw this as at minimum reckless and at worst a form of the same messianic self a grandandiseman that has historically led to disaster in Judaism like Sabat uh like Sabati Zevi in the 17th century. Okay, I'm not familiar.

[00:03:54]Anyway, he lived in Brooklyn. Wait a minute. I know this guy. He's on Wait.

[00:03:59]Uh I remember seeing this guy's face. If this is Oh my god, it is him. I've covered him before. Okay. His face is on every light pole from like Harlem to the Lower East Side. I don't know who put it there, but I I took a picture of it once. I was like, "Who the [ __ ] is this person?" I looked it up and found that he was a supposed rabbi who believed himself to the to be the Messiah. And the light poles all say the Messiah has come. I did a video on him because I was like confused by why his face was all over the place. Oh, that's fascinating.

[00:04:41]I did not know that. Uh, that's so funny that he brought him up. Wait, there's video of him. Um, yeah, here. Just a reminder, I would really appreciate it if you guys checked out my Patreon. If you're not going to donate, you don't have to, but follow me there at the very least. owenorggan.com/patreon just in case some happens with the government or whatever. It would be really good if you had some way to connect with me and my content. I'm really concerned about that and maybe you should consider that for other creators too.

[00:05:15]I'm a Christian. I'm from a Jewish family. I have become a Christian at the age of 29. And I feel my mission because I believe I'm Catholic today. But I come because I love very much my people. And I do these books so that all the Catholics can know the rules where they come from. They can know.

[00:05:38]>> If someone was born a Jew, he is a Jew for all his life.

[00:05:43]>> Yes, I know.

[00:05:44]>> And he cannot change it.

[00:05:46]>> That's the guy on the right there.

[00:05:47]>> He can make only his life more complicated.

[00:05:51]>> No, my life is much better today.

[00:05:53]>> miserable.

[00:05:54]>> My life is not miserable today. If someone is thinking about his illness that that is a healthy thing, that is only a sign that his illness is more possible and needs a ref.

[00:06:10]>> What the [ __ ] is he talking about?

[00:06:14]>> a a treatment as soon as pos.

[00:06:19]>> Yeah, I don't know what the [ __ ] that meant. Uh but anyway, the point is that um there's a whole video I went to this dude's website. I talked about I completely forgot about that guy. Wow, that is really interesting. However, but ask yourself, can you imagine Donald Trump sending out a meme mocking Rebby Schneerson and >> Well, Rebby Schneerson is kind of mockable honestly. He claimed to be the Messiah and you cannot escape the mother today, even today after he's already dead and gone years ago, like decades ago. Of course, under no circumstances could you imagine that because under no circumstances would that ever happen.

[00:06:56]Trump would not be allowed to do that and Trump would never even consider doing it. But sending out multiple images mocking Jesus, no problem at all.

[00:07:04]So that gives you a more precise sense of what our civic religion actually is.

[00:07:12]A civic religion, by the way, is not a conventional religion. Civic religion is a series of customs, some enshrined in law, not all, that a society, civilization, and its government observe. And it doesn't necessarily mean there's a god at the center of it.

[00:07:25]That's why it's a civic religion rather than a conventional religion. But our civic religion is if you again take three steps back and just assess the country with the eyes of a visitor, a modern Toqueville, you can see it really clearly. What are the events? Who are the people who we treat with reverence?

[00:07:44]What are you actually not allowed to make fun of?

[00:07:47]>> Okay, this is just Nazi garbage. Now, >> what is blasphemy in modern America?

[00:07:53]Those are the questions you ask if you are trying to understand what our operative religion is. What's the religion of our leaders? Again, it's not a conventional religion necessarily.

[00:08:02]It's not Torah Judaism or rabbitic Judaism or Evangelical Christianity or Catholic Christianity. [clears throat] It's the actual religion, the real religion, the set of beliefs that we treat with reverence. Well, it just so happens there was a religious ceremony ongoing today in the United States capital complete with very recognizable religious iconography symbolism. You may not even have known this was happening, but it was happening today as part of an 8-day celebration of remembrance of the Holocaust. The period in the 1930s and 40s where the German government, the Nazi government, murdered in addition to a lot of other people a whole bunch of Jews. Wait, why didn't you say the number? Why didn't you say 6 million?

[00:08:49]Cuz that's how many it was. Is there a reason you didn't say 6 million, Tucker?

[00:08:53]Is it because you're trying to dog whistle to Nazis? That's why, by the way, the Nazi government murdered, in addition to a lot of other people, a whole bunch of Jews. And that ended in part because the United States sent troops to Europe, millions of troops to Europe to defeat the German government.

[00:09:12]And with the help of the Soviets, our allies at the time, we did that. And in the process of doing that, over a quarter million Americans, American men were killed trying to stop the Nazi government from doing the evil things that it was doing.

[00:09:26]>> Not guys, gals, andor non-binary pals.

[00:09:30]It was just the men. Okay. A >> actually I think it was only men at the time. I don't remember.

[00:09:36]>> Quarter million more than American men died fighting the Nazis. But in >> I believe that uh women were not allowed to be in combat roles in Germany in the 30s. I mean I'm sorry in the United States during the Nazi era. I just created a new website firesidewatch.com.

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[00:10:19]Today's ceremony in the Congress. There was no mention of them. There was instead this watch.

[00:10:25]>> Ladies and gentlemen, a museum leadership program has included more than 72,000 US military members. Through examination of the Holocaust, they gain insight into their own professional and individual responsibilities.

[00:10:42]The candle lighters are members of the United States Army Third Infantry Regiment, the Old Guard.

[00:10:53][applause] You know, since we're talking about that era, I'm writing a book titled God's People. Uh it's a set of 12 biographical essays on major figures in Germany during the Third Reich, church figures predominantly like Bonhaofer and Ne Müller, the the guy who wrote the poem first they came for the communists and I said nothing because I wasn't communist so on and so forth. Yeah. Some of the biographies that I've gotten and memoirs that I found are no longer in print.

[00:11:27]They've been out of print for 50 years and they're in original German and they're heographies and things like primary source material. And one of the documents I read was written by a guy who knew the head of the church in Germany. There was a hostile takeover by the Nazis of the Protestant church and the guy who wrote his biography personally met him. I believe Schneider was the guy's name and the the the Nazi who took control was named Ludwig Mueller. Anyway, Schneider described him as uh well Schneider lived into our modern era, believe it or not. Like he made it into I think the 1980s possibly.

[00:12:15]And basically he described uh Ludwig Mueller as uh like an American televangelist, like a Kenneth Copelan type. I think that's fascinating.

[00:12:29]>> I am Sergeant Ethan. [snorts] I remember.

[00:12:33]>> Okay. I don't know what that was about.

[00:12:35]That was confusing. Oh. Oh, they're light. Okay. I didn't see what the hell was going on. They're lighting candles.

[00:12:41]Oh, interesting. I mean, you know, Jews died in the Holocaust. That's what it was all about by and large, right? It's totally fair that they would light a manora or whatever or you know, whatever this is. I guess this isn't a manora.

[00:12:56]It's supposed to symbolize the manora. I think totally reasonable that they would light that. Why are you giving us that look, Tucker? That is a current unformed US military member from the old guard.

[00:13:11]the third infantry regiment which is you know everpresent at our public events in Washington saying lighting a candle at the monora and saying I remember no explanation of I remember I remember what >> well he's kind of symbolizing what he's remembering right the fact that the Holocaust happened the fact that countless people lost their lives well they're not countless actually they are countable uh the number was 6 million Jews among you know 250,000 US soldiers and things like that. But okay, >> what are we remembering here?

[00:13:43]>> The [clears throat] group that that lost more lives than any singular group in the Holocaust.

[00:13:49]>> And we do have a sense that it's we're not remembering the American soldiers who liberated Dowo, for example. By the way, that that thing that he did a minute ago where he played the video and then it zoomed back to his face and he was dead silent making a face and then he started talking as though there was like a delay between when he was watching and when it zoomed back to his face. That's also propaganda more commonly used on Fox News because the implication is that it's live, right?

[00:14:21]you're talking to a live guest. And this is if you want to read more about this propaganda tactic, there's a book called The Media Training Bible. It's by um Hold on, let me find the name. I I just text a speech to this book the other day. It was uh Media Training Bible by Brad Phillips, 2012. This guy worked for I think CNN for years and explains how a lot of these tech these techniques are executed. Um, when you're on live TV, you're supposed to, uh, especially if you're in an adversarial interview, you're supposed to give it a second before you answer and take advantage of the 3 seconds of delay that there might be. And if there is no delay, if you're like, you know, just on different screens, you can take as long as you want and imply that there's a delay.

[00:15:14]Now, what Tucker did there by pausing after watching the video, that was a propaganda technique where he wants people to see his reaction, but he knows that it's not going to be on screen while he's watching it. So, he holds the reaction for a second after the video ends so everybody can see it. We're not remembering the quarter million American men who joined a war they had nothing to do with inherently. It wasn't taking place in North America. It was taking place in Europe. And the dispute was over Poland and Czechoslovakia. And they sacrificed their lives to defeat the Nazi government that was murdering Jews and a lot of other people. Poles and Russians and gypsies and checks and lots lots of people. Yeah, they're Roma. But all right. Sure. I believe that if you're talking about the time period, I think it's important to use the original word that's in the original documents.

[00:16:04]So in my books, I refer to them that way um a lot of the time because that's in the original documents. though. I don't know a lot of Jews as well, but they gave their lives to stop that. But we're not remembering them. We're remembering only the victims of one specific ethnicity during these 8 days of remembrance as distinct from the day of remembrance that we also have that's also enshrined in American law in January. So there's a total of 9 days of remembrance of one group of victims in a war that killed tens of millions of people globally. Tens and tens and tens of millions. The numbers are actually not even clear. So many people died.

[00:16:43]We're not exactly sure how many died, but many tens of millions died.

[00:16:46]>> What is he referring to here? He's talking about one more time. I'm sorry.

[00:16:50]>> War that killed.

[00:16:51]>> Wait. Remembrance of one group of victims in >> Oh, I see. I see. I see. He's saying more than just Jews died in World War II. Um, yeah. Yeah, you're absolutely right. Lots of people died in World War II. That's totally fair. But they were the target objectively, factually, they were the target of the Nazi regime, right? I mean, you have to agree with that, don't you? With Tucker, I'm not so sure. I'm not so sure that he agrees with that. He wouldn't give us an actual number of how many Jews died in the Holocaust. He wouldn't actually tell us how many died. He said lots or something. in a war that killed tens of millions of people globally. Tens and tens and tens of millions. A number.

[00:17:37]>> Yes. And of those tens of millions, six were six million were Jews. Targeted specifically. Even Jehovah's Witnesses didn't have those numbers. Not even close. Are actually not even clear. So many people died. We're not exactly sure how many died, but many tens of millions died, including close to a half million Americans, over a quarter million in Europe fighting this Nazi regime. Not remembered. So that is not to disrespect the Jewish victims of the Holocaust or of the Second World War. Of course not.

[00:18:05]Merely to note that in this country only one group gets to be remembered. And look, Jehovah's Witnesses are close to my heart. I'm an ex Jehovah's Witness.

[00:18:17]And I am of the opinion that the religion caused mass suffering for the people for absolutely no reason. They did not have to do that and they did it anyway. Uh it was it was evil. But I guess it it it varies depending on the source. There are two primary books that I use for my source on Jehovah's Witnesses and the Holocaust. Jehovah's Witnesses and the Nazis by Michelle Rayod I think is how it's pronounced and persecution and resistance of Jehovah's Witnesses during the Nazi regime by Hans Hes. Um, according to Hans Hess, approximately 25,000 Jehovah's Witnesses and associates in Germany at the start of the Third Reich, but about 10,000 were imprisoned for varying lengths of time, and more than 2,000 were sent to concentration camps, the death toll among German witnesses, about 1,200, of whom roughly 250 were outright executed, mostly by military courts for refusing to serve. There are a number of essays in Hans Hess's work and 1,200 is roughly the number that's close to my heart.

[00:19:26]Okay, that that group I don't want those people suffering. I would have been one of those people in Germany, but that pales in comparison to 6 million. I don't think Tucker fully understands how many people 6 million is. I don't think he even accepts that the number is 6 million. So, it makes sense. But that's why they would talk about, you know, that's why they'd talk about Jews specifically because a lot of [ __ ] Jews died in World War II, okay? A lot.

[00:19:56]It it nearly wiped out their entire community.

[00:20:02]With grave somnity by uniformed members of our military who take no credit for ending this Holocaust. So it that doesn't make any sense. I mean, if if you didn't know the backstory in any of this and someone wrote that down and told you, you'd be like, "What if that doesn't what?" And it almost seems like there's a kind of guilt implied in this, which is I'm no, I didn't pick up any guilt. I mean, we didn't, you know, invade Germany to save the Jews, so maybe some degree of guilt is warranted, but I don't know what guilt he's talking about here. What? Which is a little weird. There are countries where, you know, that might be appropriate. This is not one of them because again, this was the country that helped liberate people from those camps and fought the government that built those camps. We're the good guys. Yep. Okay. What is this?

[00:20:54]It doesn't make any sense except when you see it in the only terms in which it makes sense, which is as a civic religion, which is what it is. And it comes complete with blasphemy laws. Once again, if you want to know what religion matters, it's the religion that can't be mocked. So, clearly that's not Christianity. I'm Jesus today. No, I didn't do that. Oh, he's your God. Okay, I'll send a meme out with me posing as your God with a demon over my shoulder.

[00:21:24]Nothing you can do about it. I'm not even going to explain what that was. I don't need to because I don't care about your faith at all. But there are certain things that are blasphemy. And at the very top of that list is something called anti-semitism. Now, what exactly is anti-semitism?

[00:21:40]>> Oh boy, buckle up.

[00:21:42]>> It's one of those crimes that's a it's a true crime in the United States. And actual anti-semitism, hating people because of their blood is a crime.

[00:21:50]Certainly, Judaism is not a race. Okay?

[00:21:53]Race is not real aside from anything else. Uh but Judaism certainly is not a race. It's a religion. And you can find common markers between Jewish people because they intermarried for like many many generations, but it it's not a race. In Christianity, that is a crime.

[00:22:14]That is wrong. You're not allowed to do that. But that is a universal crime. It applies to all people. Whites, blacks, Asians, Jews, everybody has a right to be treated as an individual because everyone was created by God as an individual. That's the Christian understanding. It's a universalist understanding of rights. And that's the old civic religion. We had the civic religion of civil rights. Now, there was a civil rights movement which was, you know, fraudulent. Maybe at its core, maybe its aims were not advertised honestly. Maybe >> I'm sorry, the civil rights movement was fraudulent. What?

[00:22:47]>> There was another point to that just possible. But conceptually, it's kind of hard to argue with the fact that the assumptions behind civil rights are Christian assumptions. They're western assumptions. There are the assumptions upon which our whole civilization is built. And the core assumption is that standards, rules apply to everyone because every human being possesses a soul given to him by God at creation which is not an act that men brought about but that only God can bring about.

[00:23:16]God creates life. He endows each human being with a soul. That soul is eternal.

[00:23:21]Therefore, each individual possesses rights granted him by God, not government. And a good government protects those rights and in so doing upholds God's law. That's Western civilization right there. And in a kind of diluted silly way, the >> like the whole western civilization bit that's also from World War II era.

[00:23:40]>> Civil rights movement was upholding those ideas. The term civil rights, the term human rights reflect that understanding. The rights apply to you because you're a human, as they do all human beings. But that's over. that civic religion has died and we know that it's probably been dying for a long time. Identity politics is a reputation of that. The idea that some groups have more rights than others, that's the opposite of civil rights. Okay, he's [clears throat] turning this into something it's not. Nobody is saying Jews have more rights than non-Jews in the United States. That's certainly true in Israel, but that's not what's happening here in the United States.

[00:24:20]Okay? Just because the United States is disproportionately supporting Israel, which is a problem, I agree. Does not mean that that Jews have more rights than non-Jews in the US.

[00:24:36]That is insane. Get [ __ ] help. That's the opposite of human rights. Those aren't human rights. Those are group rights. They apply to certain groups.

[00:24:43]One bloodline is superior to another bloodline. Well, that's not >> Again, Jews are not a bloodline. They're not a race. It's a religion. What we thought we were for, that's the opposite of what we thought we were for. All of a sudden, you wake up and you realize not only we for it, the government's for it.

[00:24:57]And that's why they're able to arrest people not who commit genocide, but people who complain about genocide. Some of us thought stupidly, like the cattle we are, that the real lessons of World War II were every person has inaliable rights. That's what >> I I don't know what he's implying here.

[00:25:15]But we were taught that was a pretty common understanding in say the 1970s and 80s. Nazis are bad because they redlined one group and said these people don't have the same rights as everyone else by virtue of their blood. And they were really interested in eugenics. And they were interested in people's bloodline. Who are you related to? We're going to find out if you're a secret Jew. Well, that's disgusting. That's we used to say that's Nazi behavior. And then the next thing you know, every other federal form you get asks you what your race is. And you're thinking, "Well, why does that matter? I thought you told me it didn't matter. I thought you told me it was evil to care about that.

[00:25:48]>> Yeah. So asking for race on forms is evil. Why? I mean it's they they can't do anything with that information beyond uh kind of study it or whatever. Use it for surveys and and demographic information or whatever. What's the complaint here exactly? But you wake up in 2026 and our closest ally is using our weapons to kill and displace people because of how they were born. And not only is that okay, the only real crime is complaining about it. Well, that tells you, well, it tells you a lot of things, but it tells you we've got a whole new set of rules, we have a whole new civic religion. I'm just confused about what he's implying here, honestly.

[00:26:33]>> And that civic religion, once again, is called Israelism. And it means that any criticism of Israel is by definition bad and any praise of Israel is by definition virtuous because the only truly good thing is Israel. And we know that by the actual definition and there is one of anti-semitism. So what is anti-semitism? And if you've been called it or if someone's ever implied it, you you have a problem with the Jews. You're kind of obsessed with the Jews. Say people who are completely obsessed with the Jews. You probably wonder like what are they accusing me of? Well, here it is. This is the IH, International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance. IH, you may hear this. The >> I have no idea who that is. The US Holocaust Museum Memorial, USMM, is the authority on a lot of things. Holocaust in the United States. I don't know who he's talking about or why I should care about this group or whatever. Never heard of them before. Maybe it's just my ignorance. IH definition of anti-semitism. Do you know what it is?

[00:27:30]It's on their website. It's worth looking at. Spent the morning reading it. Fascinating. So, here's the actual definition of anti-semitism. And by the way, this is a now globally recognized definition enshrined in law around the world in more than 40 countries. This is the definition, and I'm quoting.

[00:27:46]Anti-semitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred towards Jews. Huh. So, anti-semitism is a perception. It's a feeling. Okay. I thought you allowed to have any feeling or perception you wanted. Well, you are, but if you have a feeling that black people are like inferior to white people, that's still racism. Feel free to, you know, feel that way about black people and I will feel free to think you're a piece of [ __ ] See how that works? You could look at facts and come to any conclusion you wanted. No, no, no, no. Certain perceptions are inherently immoral. They're quote anti-semitic, which may >> Yes. Yes. Certain perceptions are immoral. Your perception that black people are like animals and inferior to white people is immoral. That is an immoral perception. Are you kidding me with this? Are you trying to imply that literally nothing that anybody ever thinks can be considered immoral? Are you implying that thought is not subject to morality at all? I I don't get what he's trying to communicate here. That makes no sense. Perceptions are inherently immoral. They're quote anti-semitic, which may be expressed as hatred towards Jews. Oh, so you don't have to hate the Jews to be anti-semitic? No. Well, that answers the question for those >> Wait, I don't understand how he got there.

[00:29:09]>> Which may be expressed as hatred towards Jews. I'm trying to think about this.

[00:29:13]Um, all right. So, anti-semitism is like racism, uh, thoughts that you have about black people. say you think black people are less intelligent than white people.

[00:29:27]That's racism and it's incorrect and it can manifest as hatred for black people.

[00:29:35]So yeah, what's surprising about this? I don't understand what's what's the hangup.

[00:29:41]>> Oh, so you don't have to hate the Jews to be anti-semitic? No, >> no, you do. or you at least have to do destructive things or have destructive feelings about like the belief that they're uh inherently their blood is poisoned, that they're inherently incapable of being good people. That's an anti-semitic viewpoint. No, you don't have to hate them to believe that necessarily, but it's still anti-semitic. Yes, obviously be expressed as hatred towards Jews. Oh, so you don't have to hate the Jews to be anti-Semitic? No. Well, that answers the question for those of us who don't hate Jews at all. How could you be anti-Semitic if you don't hate Jews?

[00:30:21]Well, you can be according to the official definition of it. Continuing the quote, rhetorical rhetorical meaning talking, words, speech formerly protected no longer. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of anti-semitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities. Wait a second. So anti-semitism is not necessarily hatred of Jews and it can be expressed toward non-Jews. So you don't have to hate >> yet. Just like racism, you can express racism to other people and it's still racism, right? I mean, you wouldn't say uh you know, I I hate you because you're black to a white person, obviously. But if you say I hate black people to a white person, that's racism expressed to somebody that is not black, right? Like how is he not picking up on this? This is total propaganda, right? What he's laying down here, Jews. And you don't have to express or have these perceptions, these feelings toward Jews.

[00:31:25]You can be non-Jews, too. What is this?

[00:31:28]Well, the people who wrote it at the IH probably anticipated this would be confusing to you. It's not confusing.

[00:31:36]Tucker is trying to make it sound confusing.

[00:31:39]>> So, they gave 11 examples of what anti-semitism is. Just so you know, like, how do I know if I'm being anti-semitic? Well, here are 11 examples. Of those 11 examples, and we did the math. 23 are criticism of Israel. Wow, that's some complex math you did there, buddy.

[00:31:55]Okay. Hey, I have a problem with that.

[00:31:57]Anti-semitism is not All right, let me rephrase.

[00:32:01]Criticizing Israel is not anti-semitism.

[00:32:05]It is not. I agree with you completely on that. The state of Israel, the nation with the prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu BB criticism of Israel in 2/3 of the examples that the IH gave that's anti-semitism including here we go drawing quote drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis. Oh, in other words, if you think what's happening in Gaza is genocide. Well, Nazis committed genocide.

[00:32:31]>> I completely disagree. That's not anti-Semitic. Obviously, that is exactly what's happening. Um, it's totally fair to compare the two. This coming from somebody who has studied the the ever loving [ __ ] out of the Holocaust, uh, specifically studied the church, like the church response in Nazi Germany to Hitler and the church takeover. original documents, you know, from 1933, 1921. I mean, I know a lot about it.

[00:33:02]>> Now, the state of Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, meaning they're trying to eliminate people on the basis of their blood. You are an anti-semite. Oh, okay.

[00:33:09]>> That is absolutely what they're doing.

[00:33:10]>> You're an anti-semite if you think that.

[00:33:12]It also tells us that the suggestion that Jews killed Jesus is quote classic anti-semitism.

[00:33:19]>> Uh, interesting. Jews didn't kill Jesus.

[00:33:23]Jesus was killed by the Romans, not not the Jews, obviously. And the claim that the claim of deo I'm sorry, the claim of deocide is actually something that was anti-semitic and used against Jews, you know, during World War II. That's absolutely true. Now, for theological reasons, I can see you arguing that the Jews were responsible for Jesus' death incorrectly. They were they were not it was a Roman method of execution, not a Jewish one. But either way, um that is an old form of anti-semitism. So that one I agree with actually. Yeah, >> classic anti-semit. So there goes the New Testament. The whole New Testament is anti-semitic, too.

[00:34:09]>> No, the Romans killed Jew or killed Jesus, not Jews.

[00:34:12]>> Read read the Gospels and see if they they fall under that definition. They do. Why does this matter? Well, because about 40 US states and the District of Columbia and our biggest cities, Miami, Los Angeles, have adopted this. This is their standard that they voted on and adopted. It's in the law. I don't know about that, but who knows? Maybe. Check it out. Did you guys know that Princess Peach is in this game? This is Link's Awakening. She was in the original for the Game Boy as well. Kind of interesting.

[00:34:42]>> Have adopted this.

[00:34:43]>> Yeah, >> this is their standard that they voted on and adopted. It's in the law. this standard, the one that tells you that criticism of the secular state of Israel or portions of the New Testament are quote anti-semitism. Bro, I hope he's going to give us all 11 of them. I'm curious now.

[00:34:59]>> The government of almost 40 states in the United I think 39 states, 40 countries around the world, but not just countries, NOS's, sports teams, the British Soccer League, Chelsea United, all of them have adopted this standard.

[00:35:11]Now, why would a sports team adopt this?

[00:35:14]Well, who knows why? Think about it for a minute. Why? Why would you declare something illegal? Oh, because you want to punish people.

[00:35:21]>> Wait, it hasn't been declared illegal.

[00:35:23]They're just adopting it as I mean, at best as a definition. It's for definitional reasons. Like, they're not saying it's illegal to say this stuff obviously. I mean, you seeing how he's like twisting this around, right, to be more than it actually is. He's blowing things out of proportion and and warping the actual situation here. I always find it interesting people actually believe Christianity particularly when Romans are the ones who made Christianity spread but also after they kill the main character of the religion right who violate it. That's why this happened today Ukraine that beacon of democracy and freedom that we've sent hundreds of billions of dollars to just made it law today that anti-semitism in other words criticism of Israel is a felony punishable by up to eight years in prison.

[00:36:10]>> Uh okay. I'm not sure I believe that.

[00:36:13]Let's see. Uh, one second. Ukraine illegal smitic punishable by eight years in prison. Let's find out. No need to wonder. Just loaded up our question gun.

[00:36:27]Let's go answer hunting. Zalinsky signed the law on April 14th on Israel's Holocaust Remembrance Day. It amends article 161 of Ukraine's criminal code, which already covered violations of citizens equality based on race, nationality, religion, and disability to explicitly exclude anti-semitism. Uh the 8-year figure is the maximum for the most serious tier, not the baseline.

[00:36:53]Basic anti-semitic incitement, fines, or up to 3 years in prison with aggravating factors like violence, threats, or abuse of official authority up to 5 years.

[00:37:03]organized groups or cases resulting in serious consequences five to eight years like organized groups or causes resulting in the deaths of people that kind of thing. Uh it's basically hate crime law. And and I don't think I really have a problem with that. Also, Europe very obviously goes hard at certain um uh what's the term at certain kind of hate uh hateful behavior. And I think it's right that they do that. I think it's right that Europe goes hard at certain hateful behaviors. Look at what happened last time they allowed that [ __ ] to spread. Now against Israel, absolutely not. Like people should be allowed to criticize Israel, obviously without a question. But you know, committing hate crimes against people, I don't feel the need to protect people who are committing hate crimes. 8 years in prison. How could a rational person understand that? Well, a rational person could not understand that. Why would a citizen citizen of one country be sent to prison for criticizing the leadership of another country, a country not his own? Why would a citizen of one country be sent to prison for having opinions about historical events that he did not participate in and that were almost a century ago? In all fairness, I am concerned about like the UK for example arresting people for criticizing the country of Israel. That is very concerning to me actually. Does that make any sense? No. Except in religious terms. Those are blasphemy laws. Same as the old blasphemy laws. And for all the talk of how the mullers are bad, the mullers are bad. Well, the mullers probably are bad. Not defending the mullers, but why are we told the mullers are bad? The mullers are bad because they're religious extremists. They have blasphemy laws. They'll hurt you if you say certain things. Okay. Well, that looks a lot like what we're seeing here.

[00:38:58]Almost 40 states. Now, it's interesting.

[00:39:00]The president has been all of a sudden it makes sense. This may this may be the Rosetta Stone that helps us interpret events we're watching now that are very confusing. And those would include the president advocating for re-uping FISA.

[00:39:15]Now, FISA, without getting too boring about it, is the law which has to be voted on periodically by Congress that allows the US government to spy on Americans despite >> well I mean FISA courts are like yeah all right that's one of the courts systems that does that and they do a lot of other things too so okay fine on them now the whole point of it is supposed to be to spy on foreigners who are threatening us but the nature of the technology being what it is there are cases where we pick up communications from Americans. And in order to make that legal, we need this thing called FISA.

[00:39:50]>> We need FISA courts to do that. Yeah.

[00:39:53]>> Now, what's interesting is that the president himself was a victim of the misuse of these laws.

[00:39:58]>> No, he wasn't.

[00:39:59]>> In his first term, they were used against him.

[00:40:02]>> No, they weren't. Um, they were monitoring Russian spies, known Russian spies. And Don Jr. and Donald Trump kept calling these known Russian spies and they're like, "What the [ __ ] is going on? Why do they keep calling these known Russian spies?" Paul Maniffort was working with Donald Trump who was a Russian politician. He became Trump's campaign manager. They very obviously and clear as day meddled with the election on behalf of Donald Trump. And they saw this happening. you know, the the FISA courts, the FBI, and others.

[00:40:42]So, they start an investigation into why Donald Trump was like communicating with these people. Like, what would a presidential candidate be doing communicating with known Russian spies and the investigation was called uh Operation Crossfire Hurricane and determined that there, you know, it started the Muller probe and everything and he was involved in this [ __ ] Trump absolutely was working with Russia, colluding to whatever to win the presidency. The only reason he didn't go to jail is because Robert Mueller believed that it's not possible to indict a sitting president. That's it.

[00:41:22]In what became kind of bureaucratic attempted coup against him that we call Russia gate and so the president was personally very sensitive on this question. He'd been the victim of the misuse of these laws. And so he said many times, I'm not for that. I don't think Americans should be spied on by their own government. I don't think you pay your taxes. Today's tax day, by the way, in order to be spied on by your government when you've done nothing wrong. But we are. Everyone knows that.

[00:41:45]And this allows it to be legal. All of a sudden, the president is advocating for this new law. He wants the Congress to allow the US government to spy on Americans. Why could that possibly be?

[00:41:59]Well, there are a couple of clues. One comes from the documents unearthed and made public, God bless him, by Ed Snowden some years ago that showed >> prism. Yeah, the I remember when all that came out. I was a lot younger. Uh the prism program revealed by Edward Snowden showed that the US government was spying on people 100%. And then Obama chased Edward Snowden to the ends of the earth and he ended up stuck between he was on his way to South America. I think maybe this information should have been released like we should have known that this is important [ __ ] Anyway, he released this information and Obama chased him and basically revoked his passport while he was in an airport in Russia, I believe, and trapped him in Russia and he finally got Russian citizenship. The NSA, the National Security Agency, the largest of all of our spy agencies, turned over raw data to, can you guess? Oh, the Israeli government that included private information about Americans. So, they sweep up all this information. and the comms, the communications of American citizens and they just turn it all over without taking private information about Americans, our citizens, they turn it over to a foreign government and its intel service to be used god knows how.

[00:43:22]That's one. two is a very revealing moment in the Congress two and a half years ago with a man, a congressman from Ohio called Mike Turner who at the time was the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee and he was arguing as chairman of the House Intel Committee always do for more spying on Americans. So the House and Senate Intel committees are supposed to provide oversight of the intelligence agencies because you don't really know what they're doing. You don't know what their budget is. The whole thing is secret.

[00:43:49]You can't know. So your representatives on these committees oversee just to make sure that they're not violating the US Constitution or your human rights given to you by God and protected by the US government. That's the whole point. But for my lifetime, those committees have worked in concert with the intel agencies to >> Yep. Absolutely agreed to violate your rights as much as they want. That's true.

[00:44:10]>> violate the civil rights of Americans.

[00:44:12]And they've almost always been run by some of the most dishonest and personally screwed up people in the entire Congress. So maybe it's not always true, but certainly in the case of Mike Turner, it is true. You know, the guy publicly accused of corruption with a chaotic personal life, that guy winds up as the chairman of an intel committee. Hm, I wonder why someone who's vulnerable to control winds up in charge of oversight of the intel agencies. Okay, that's definitely Mike Turner. So anyway, Mike Turner is running this and he's making the case to about 200 staffers on the hill and he's saying, "We got to do this. We got to do And he has a bunch of slides behind him.

[00:44:47]And one of the slides he puts up shows people protesting the murder of civilians by the Israeli government in Gaza. Those Gaza protests. And he says, "We need this because these people clearly taking orders from Hamas. These are like college kids who were mad about babies being murdered by the IDF." Isn't it fascinating how Tucker morphs this into an innocuous protest when it's convenient to him, but when these protests on college campuses are against something that he doesn't like, like if they're protesting on behalf of like, you know, raising minimum wage or something, suddenly it's this evil like setup by George Soros and [ __ ] like that. It is wild. But because Mike Turner and a lot of people like Mike Turner because look at them and say you've got foreign connections. You can't have come to this conclusion on your own. You didn't just choose apostasy. You clearly were corrupted by some outside force, some foreign power.

[00:45:49]We get to spy on you. He made that case in the Congress. So how does this connect to blasphemy laws as outlined and adopted by almost 40 states by IH?

[00:45:58]Really simple. If having these quote perceptions is a crime, then that gives the US government pretext to spy on you and then punish you.

[00:46:08]>> That's true.

[00:46:09]>> Another way of thinking about it is almost no human action or now perception thought crime is ever encoded by any legislative body without an eye toward punishing people who violate it. Why would you why would you vote on it if you didn't intend to punish people who go against the standard you set? Well, you wouldn't. And so the point is this new civic religion is very much the opposite of the old civic religion in that it doesn't protect civil rights, human inherent rights. It is the enemy of those rights. It is the enemy of universalism, the belief that all of us were created by God and have equal moral worth. That is the enemy of that and it's the enemy of the understanding of people that led to the bill of rights which is we have these rights given to us by God. It does not believe that and you know that because its first command is that you shut up and not just shut up but change your quote perceptions.

[00:47:06]Change the thoughts in your head. That's nonsense. You can be as racist as you want. No one is stopping you. But you know I'm not going to like you if you're racist and the vast majority of other people aren't either. So >> change your feelings, your perceptions, your conclusions. You must change those.

[00:47:23]It is a totalitarian worldview. It is a totalitarian worldview. In >> it's totalitarian to think that racism is bad. Okay.

[00:47:33]>> That it seeks to control the totality of a person, not just your actions. You can't punch someone in the face because you don't like his ethnicity. Fair.

[00:47:41]Fair. Everyone's for for upholding that law. You can't have a certain perception of another person. If there's a better definition of a totalitarian aim, hard to think of what it might be. So that's our new religion. That's where Israelism gets us. It kind of frustrates the [ __ ] out of me when people frame everything that they don't like as a religion. And I've intentionally set out to not do that with cults. You know, I don't want people to think that I just like I'm calling this group a cult because I don't like it. That's not the case. I want to end with probably the most mocked and yet clearest evangelist of this new faith. This is Israelism. You could say it's Christianity without the New Testament.

[00:48:28]>> It's called Christian Zionism. You don't have to give it a new name. There's a name for people who do this. And that would be someone [clears throat] again who's often made fun of for being dumb or he doesn't know what he's talking about. But it's sometimes people like that that give you the clearest picture of what the people in power really are talking about. And that person would be Sean Hannity uh over at Fox News. Not a bad guy, not a mean guy. Lifelong Catholic if you asked him, "Are you Catholic?" Absolutely.

[00:48:53]>> Not anymore. He left Catholicism recently, I believe.

[00:48:57]>> Yeah, I'm a Catholic. And and and I think he is.

[00:49:00]Not an attack or even a claim to understand his personal religious faith.

[00:49:06]But watch Sean Hannity, cradle Catholic, describe the Pope. This is his reaction to the president of the United States attacking the Pope, head of the Catholic Church. And here's Sean Hannity's response as a Catholic to that. Watch.

[00:49:22]He doesn't want any conflict anywhere.

[00:49:24]And he was talking about violence. And I'm like, have you even read the Bible?

[00:49:29]I saw this I saw this uh this podcast episode. Fascinating. Sean Hannity just shreds the Pope.

[00:49:37]>> Have you read the conflicts, the wars that were that the Israeli people that were they were empowered by God to defeat their enemies? Uh did you never did you ever hear the story about David slaying Goliath uh through the power of God with a slingshot against this massive giant?

[00:49:56]>> I think it was a sling, but okay. not a slingshot. They are different.

[00:50:00]>> Or the conflicts and the wars of King Saul and and so on and so forth. And and frankly, all throughout Israel's history, they've been, you know, surrounded by enemies, but as cho God's chosen people, they they against all odds keep winning. Pretty amazing.

[00:50:15]>> I don't think they keep winning. I think they keep surviving as everybody does.

[00:50:20]Like Jehovah's Witnesses were also persecuted heavily and they came out the other side. There's nothing supernatural about it. They're just surviving to the best of their ability as all of us are.

[00:50:33]Uh except all of us aren't subjected to the degree of anti-semitic conspiracy theories or whatever or except most of us aren't subject to like this number of conspiracy theories. But yeah, so it it does take a kind of cable news mentality to say of the pope, hey, you ever read the Bible? [laughter] It's hilarious other ones. Hey, thing about the pope is the guy's never read the Bible. He's just the pope.

[00:51:02]>> Yeah, that was some really stupid [ __ ] >> So, there's that. Okay, it's funny. I don't know if you guys knew this, but like in theology, theology is a full academic discipline. You know, I after studying Bonhaofer, a famous theologian from like World War II era or whatever, I learned that, you know, you go to school for theology and there's legitimately a lot to learn about the basis for why people come to certain conclusions in the Bible and things and what is dispensationalism and stuff like that. And not only that, but to be a proper Catholic priest among other types of priests, Protestant and and everything, you also have to contribute meaningfully to the academic field of theology by writing papers, by furthering study and things like that.

[00:52:07]It is a fullblown academic research area like theology is. And to be pope, you have to have gone through a lot of academic training on these subjects and have written papers about these academic, you know, um, conclusions and stuff like that. The Pope absolutely understands theology better than any single individual Christian out there.

[00:52:39]But listen to the content, which is actually more interesting and less funny and and little meteor than it seems at first. So the Pope is saying, "Look, I'm a Christian leader. The Christian gospel, which I represent, however imperfectly this pope may represent it, from my perspective, imperfectly, but whatever. All Christian leaders have a duty to consult the gospel as they think about their positions on things. That's the whole point is the gospel. And as a Christian leader, the leader of the biggest Christian denomination, like I'm I'm not for war. And maybe some wars are possibly defensible under just war theory, which no one ever really explains. But you can imagine a war of self-defense that most Christians would feel comfortable with. Being a Christian probably doesn't necessarily mean you oppose all violence in all circumstances. Maybe it should, but in practice it doesn't. But this pope is just saying something pretty conventional like that. Nothing crazy, actually. no name calling. There's no great departure from Christian theology or ethics as as people have understood it for thousands of years. And the response is, "Hey, YOU HAVEN'T READ THE BIBLE? THERE'S A TON OF killing in the Bible. Israel is constantly under attack by its neighbors, the Amalachites, the Philistines, you name it. And they fight back with God's blessing and they kill.

[00:53:51]And that's what they're supposed to be doing, which is true, by the way. That is all in there. But it's not in the New Testament. And for Christians, that's the difference. It's not a matter of the Old Testament being irrelevant. It's certainly not. And Christians understand it as one long story. And as Jesus famously said, I came not to abolish the law, but to fulfill it, to bring it to its intended conclusion. I'm here so the law will have its desired effect on you.

[00:54:15]But Jesus never offers a single order to kill or hurt anybody. And there's no place in the entire New Testament, the four gospels, the letters that follow mostly from Paul and the vision at the end by St. John called Revelation.

[00:54:29]There's not one page or sentence in the entire New Testament in which Jesus is recorded saying they're very annoying or they're a threat or they disagree with us or they're of another faith. Kill them. Not once. In fact, it's the opposite of that.

[00:54:42]>> Well, that's because they were the persecuted minority. And something you'll learn about the way that Christians or Christianity or honestly just people operate is while they're in the minority, they will be very humble and kind to everybody around them. They won't hurt people. They won't attack people. They just want to live their life and experience things the way they want to and that's the end of the story.

[00:55:08]But when people get in power, it's different. when they're put in power, they are suddenly, you know, uniquely like they suddenly uniquely deserve to be in power. They suddenly uniquely need to protect society from their enemies and things like that. That's how it works. That is how it has always worked throughout human history. Persecuted minorities are very careful and kind and, you know, honest and everything else. And when they get into a position of authority, that all changes. Look at Israel. They were genuinely actually persecuted and and still are. Some like in some circles, in a lot of circles in the United States are still persecuted heavily. But look at what they're doing to innocent Palestinians. They're in power there in Palestine and they're ruining people's lives and killing people wantingly. That's how human beings work. In fact, it's so clearly the opposite of that that you have to wonder who's reading the Bible and who isn't. In Jesus's very first sermon in the very first gospel, Matthew, Matthew 5, the famous sermon on the mount, he addresses this really clearly. And I think anybody reading it for the first or hundth time comes away thinking, well, a lot of things, but among them would be Jesus is really down on violence and he's really down on greed.

[00:56:34]very much opposed to both because he says it really really clearly and not just down on violence and greed but taking the prescriptions against those things in the Old Testament and accelerating them to a point that shocking really to modern ears to ancient ears to to any human being. The demands that Jesus makes on people are shocking. He says for example all in Matthew 5 worth reading amazing really radical not really of this world at all which is kind of the whole point. He says, "You've been told not to kill.

[00:57:03]Don't commit murder." Moses told you that. I'm telling you, don't be angry.

[00:57:08]If you curse somebody, you risk going to hell. That's what he says. So, you can debate what that means. Is it possible to apply that standard? Can you actually live up to that? Pretty hard. But what you can't conclude is that Jesus is in favor of dropping bombs on kids, blowing up entire apartment buildings, raping people in prisons. You can't conclude that because it's the opposite of that.

[00:57:32]And so if you have concluded that by reference to Old Testament texts, the book of Ruth, you're espousing the tenants of religion, but it's not Christianity. It's our new religion.

[00:57:43][ __ ] please. It's Christianity. Okay.

[00:57:46]God, I get so sick of people like claiming that some people are not Christians because this or that or they don't think they're if they're if they claim to be Christian, then they're Christian. Okay, you're not the gatekeeper of Christianity. Drives me nuts, >> you know. And I said that exact thing on Reddit the other day. If you're Christian, if you say you're Christian and you follow Jesus as a central figure, no matter how you interpret, you know, his beliefs, if you follow him as a central figure, you're Christian.

[00:58:21]Period. Islam believes that Christian, I'm sorry, believes that Jesus was a real figure, but they don't follow him as a central figure. For example, they're not Christian, right? Heaven's Gate believed UFOs were going to come down and [ __ ] rescue them and all kinds of [ __ ] They also believed in Jesus and they thought that Jesus was an alien. That makes them Christian. He was a central figure to their theology, whether you like that or not. Israelism.

[00:58:52]That's just what it is. Call it that.

[00:58:54]Call it that. Just be honest about what you're saying. Outline it for us. Give us the creed. Think of a new name for it. Give us 10 points. We can all recite them. People who don't can be punished.

[00:59:02]But tell us what the religion is. Be straightforward with us. Stop playing this head trip on us and telling us that something that's clearly anti-Christian is in fact the real Christianity cuz that's just not true. And this kind of deception is making everybody crazy.

[00:59:17]Spring is the most >> Jesus Christ, dude. That is wild. like his beliefs and ideas and opinions on it on this [ __ ] are are so unusual to me.

[00:59:28]Are Mormons Christian? Absolutely. They follow Jesus as a central figure. He's not the only central figure, but he is a central figure. And you know, the the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, right? Anyway, tell me what you think about it in the comments. That's really interesting.