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[00:00:00]Team Trump prevails in Indiana, sending a clear signal that Trump is definitely in charge of the MAGA movement. Plus, will the blockade actually end? And will gas prices go down? Trump's pollster, Jim McLaclin, gives us the latest.

[00:00:15]Welcome to the Sean Spicer Show. Let's get into it.

[00:00:22]Good Wednesday, guys. What a busy, busy day. Yesterday, holy smokes, there's a California debate. Uh we'll talk about that tomorrow on the panel because I don't have time to get to it today, but I'm telling you, really interesting. Uh Katie Porter, remember she was the one that with a not too good of a record with her staff yet. She went off a little, so we'll talk about that tomorrow. Um plus Indiana, you remember Trump targeted these state senators that voted against redistricting. He said, "Fine, I'm going to come after you." Uh they crushed it last night. At least five out of the eight definitely went down big and one of them went down by like 50 points. It looks like they'll probably maybe end up with six out of the eight. Um, that's not bad night.

[00:01:02]That sent a clear signal. Donald Trump is in charge. Uh, and you cross him at your own peril. Uh, and then Marco Rubio guy. Oh, by the way, before I get to Marco last yesterday, uh, the Trump administration really trying to figure out an end to this blockade. I'm going to talk to Jim Mlaughlin. The president polls are just coming up about what impact this is going to have politically if they can pull this off, how quick gas prices go down, how people will feel the effect. So, lot going on in Iran. And then Marco Rubio, as if the guy doesn't have enough jobs, he was White House press secretary yesterday and I I'm a little jealous. The guy did a really good job. Um, fantastic job of Marco.

[00:01:39]Um, really taking a ton of questions, doing adding some humor in. I kudos to him. Like I said, maybe a little bit of jealousy on this. Tomorrow, by the way, uh we've got a great panel coming your way. And then u on Friday, Yanuk of Epic Times has this best-selling book. I know this topic sounds a little off, but on on what's going on in China and and body parts, it made a it was a huge bestseller for a reason because he's revealing something that's not getting any attention. And I'm excited for this conversation. So, you're not going to want to miss this. Um, again, thank you to everyone who's going out and buy Trump 2.0. Please go to Amazon. Please continue to buy it. I love how many people are rushing out buying the book.

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[00:05:41]Good to see you. Thanks for being back with us.

[00:05:43]>> John, it's great to be here.

[00:05:46]>> Wow. I I need your sunny disposition.

[00:05:48]Um, all right. I flipped a coin.

[00:05:51]>> Flipped the coin. I am upset about something. And I'm going to tell you what I'm upset about. They're telling me I'm not getting my copies. I bought a couple copies of the book until next Monday. What the heck is going on here?

[00:06:03]>> Wait, wait, wait. You're You're talking about your copy of Trump 2. Wait, Amazon said that.

[00:06:08]>> They said I'm not getting it till Monday. I said, what's going on here? I ordered couple copies last week, no less.

[00:06:16]>> Well, first of all, thank you. Uh I don't that's interesting. You know what the funny thing is? I I wonder so the way I I don't know I I there was a huge rush. I did Bannon a couple times, Glenn Beck. I think what's happening honestly I think that they they always try to calibrate the algorithm and I think what happened was as you know a lot of these Anyway, I I think that's what you should demand your money back. Uh if you have pro I can't wait to read the book to be >> No, no, not for the book. Not for the book. But they they're charging you for Prime. I assume you should say Amazon.

[00:06:50]You you you know you know what the reason I can't wait to read it was because as somebody who went through those four years of Donald Trump I want to see what you found out because we would meet with him on a semi-regular basis and your point because I've read some of the uh previews on the book about Donald Trump was literally preparing to be president again >> and I I always tell people I am always amazed about how much Donald Trump knows about how much Donald Trump knows. I mean he knows about everything and he was thinking this stuff through whether it was domestic policy or whether it was international policy and especially with everything that's going on right now internationally.

[00:07:42]Um I I I'm really looking forward to reading the book.

[00:07:46]>> Well, thank you. Uh I and that's I think that's the the whole point of the book is to explain I think at its core like it's not just that he's successful at these issues. It's the what I like to call the why.

[00:07:59]>> Yeah. and and and the why is what he did in those four years, the preparation of both him and his team because to your point he most of these presidents right off into the sunset and there's a story today about Barack Obama not wanting to be engaged and Michelle hates the fact that he's you know he literally says apparently according I think it's the New York Post uh which I'm sure you guys read religiously that like it strained his marriage because he wanted to be more involved and she didn't but like most of these guys write up in the sunset and and Trump you you just mentioned he's meeting with you and your brother like what do I need to know what's happening where the like he was consuming a ton of political information he was getting briefed on issues he he was not he did not sit back and say I'm just going to go play golf at my resorts he was like and and that's where people missed >> I don't know again it gets back to the reason I wrote the book is that sometimes you have to ask yourself like you know what what's the old saying if what I think Bill Clinton said it like if you see like a a toad on a on a post.

[00:09:01]It didn't just get there on its own.

[00:09:02]Like exactly right. And and what I don't think Donald Trump gets enough credit for um and you know this Sean because you were right there. He's a great listener and he asks people all the time what they think.

[00:09:19]>> What they think.

[00:09:20]>> Yep. What do you What do you think? What do you think's going on? you know, he'll ask you everything about, you know, what what's going what do you think's going to happen in in 2028? What do you think's going to happen in the midterms?

[00:09:32]But he also talks to people, you know, education experts. He talks to experts on immigration. And you know, and the Democrats always say, "Oh, he's this conservative extremist and whatnot." He is not. He is not what I would call a movement conservative. He's a fixer and he's a common sense guy and that's who he is. And I know your book is going to bring that out.

[00:09:55]>> Uh well, thank you. I The thing that I love is sometimes you feel frustrated when you're dealing with him because you think you've got an answer, right? And he'll say, "That's interesting. I talked to Jim McLaclin. He thinks we should be going the other way. What do you think?"

[00:10:09]And and what happens is you realize what he's doing is making sure that you've thought through everything and are giving him the best possible answer, advice. So, it's frustrating when you think that you've got the answer because he further challenges you and he does this with all these issues. They'll go in and say, "Mr. President, we need you to do this." And they'll say, "Really?"

[00:10:27]Cuz I heard about X.

[00:10:29]>> And then they'll say, "Well," and what he's really doing is making sure that you've thought through your analysis like, "Have you challenged yourself before you brought him that solution?"

[00:10:42]>> That's exactly right. And he is such a thinker when it comes to those things.

[00:10:46]And what he'll do, what he does is he really does, and he used to talk about this the first time he was running for president, is bringing in the best people, getting all those ideas. And what he's brilliant at is synthesizing the best ideas from a lot of smart people. And it's, >> you know, it it it really is. He's I tell everybody I've never met anybody quite like him over the years. And like I said, that's what he doesn't get credit for. He doesn't get credit for talking to the experts and he doesn't get credit for listening to folks and then he takes the best ideas and then he implements them.

[00:11:23]>> All right, I want to start with our conversation with what I call the eyes.

[00:11:26]Uh Indiana and then Iran. So, let's start with Indiana. Uh what what is the takeaway in your mind from last night's primaries in Indiana?

[00:11:36]>> Yeah, I wasn't surprised about anything that happened there. You know, it looks like at least five incumbent Democrats lost in primaries. And and look, especially in local elections, it's always really really tough to beat the incumbents. We all know 90% of incumbents usually win these primaries.

[00:11:55]It's it's like we've talked about before, Sean. You know, I always say the most overrated thing in American politics um are endorsements, except a Donald Trump endorsement in Republican primaries. He is extremely popular. All this nonsense you hear about, you know, the base is divided about President Trump and conservatives are divided on him and blah blah blah. I'm not seeing any of that. I mean, the truth is that the base is totally behind the president. And you saw it last night with the results, not just in Indiana, but also in Ohio. All his candidates that he endorsed, people like I I guess it was Conroy and whatnot. and um I in Ohio won they all won too. So it's just it's the power of a Trump endorsement in a Republican primary. It's what I call with folks it's literally the good housekeeping seal of approval among Republicans.

[00:12:52]>> So is your takeaway then that the Trump endorsement matters more than anything and don't cross Donald Trump because that's kind of what I took out of Indiana specifically. The endorsement matters and you'll pay a price if you screw him.

[00:13:04]>> Yeah. And and look, I think it's also they trust Donald Trump on issues. And if Donald Trump is saying, "Look, we need to do something about redistricting in a place like Indiana," I think that that goes a long way. And and you look at some of the crazy stuff, you know, you know, I live in the New York area, even though I don't live in New York State anymore, but I live still live in the area, and you hear Hakee Jeff and you hear Kathy Hok yelling and screaming about redistricting. Well, they've tried it three times to do this mid district uh redistricting. And even the Democratic courts in New York, these are, you know, judges that were appointed by Andrew Cuomo and Kathy Hokll, they've said it's illegal to do.

[00:13:49]They've passed referendums in the state that overwhelmingly won that said it's illegal for them to do. But, you know, we all know whether it's Tish James or whether it's Kathy Hokll, the governor, or Hakee Jeff, they never seem to let the law get get in the way of what they want to do politically.

[00:14:06]>> You mentioned redistricting, and I'm thinking right now about these states in light of the voting um rights act decision that the Supreme Court came down. So, Bill Lee in Tennessee, for example, the state senate president in South Carolina, uh, another example, if I were these guys after last night's results, I'd be a little hesitant to stand in the way of the the call to continue to redistrict.

[00:14:31]>> Yeah. Oh, I I no question about it. And look, you know, everybody talks about like what the Democrats have done in places like Illinois, uh what the Democrats have done in in uh you know, California in terms of redistricting.

[00:14:46]Look what they did in a place like New England. All of New England where you're from, Sean. Um New Hampshire, we've got a Republican governor there. Republicans get a lot of votes there. Um, Massachusetts wasn't that long ago.

[00:15:03]Charlie Baker was the Republican governor there. Donald Trump gets over 40% of the vote, give or take, there.

[00:15:10]Maine, we've had a Republican governor.

[00:15:12]You know how many Republican members of Congress there are in all of New England?

[00:15:18]Zero. Zero. Why? Because of how the Democrats have played games and redistricted those those states there. So, the Democrats have been doing this for a long time, and quite honestly, they're way better that uh than we are at it.

[00:15:35]And and finally, you know, folks like, you know, James Blair and and the president have said, you know what, we got to fight back when it comes to redistricting, and we got to do what we can. And and I think by the way the Voting Rights Act that is huge because it literally cost us at least one seat in Alabama and it's probably going to at the end of the day we we have a way to pick up, you know, looks like we should pick up two seats. And even the Republicans that are doing the redistricting in a place like Alabama, they're talking about making Terry Su's district not a overwhelmingly Terry Souls a black Democratic member of Congress from down there. They're not saying we're going to make this a Republican district. They're saying we're going to make it a competitive district and that's what it should be.

[00:16:22]And you know what the other thing nobody ever points out about it? You know who is getting elected in these overwhelmingly majority um white districts are black Republicans. You think about it. You you Byron Donald's, John James, um Wes Hunt, um >> Burgess Owens, Burgess Owens.

[00:16:45]>> Exactly. Burgess Owens in probably what is probably the most white state in America in Utah. you know, they elect a black Republican. So, and I think it's also one of the reasons why the Supreme Court threw it out. They said, "Look, people don't look at this anymore. There might have been a time where they looked at it." And I always tell people, you know, you get Byron Donald's, I remember his primary, and I wasn't involved in it down in Florida. He was running against, I don't know, seven, eight candidates, whatnot. And here you had this, you know, state legislator came from out of nowhere because he connected with the people. He connected with the Republican primary voters when it came to values and issues. And that's what whereas the Democrats are obsessed with their DEI culture, especially when it comes to their politics, the Republicans aren't.

[00:17:38]They just want somebody that reflects their values, and they're looking for somebody that they agree with on the issues.

[00:17:44]>> Yeah. Um, okay. Let let's let's talk about Iran for a second. So, this morning on our morning show, The Huddle, Mike Summers uh came on our little huddle overtime, and he was our our guest.

[00:17:57]>> Mike Summers is the president of the American Petroleum Institute. They represent like, you know, Exxon BP and and all these guys. And we asked him point blank, if the war ends today, >> like the blockade's over, we all shake hands and everybody's good, when will oil prices go down? And and he basically gave a a a very >> uh fascinating answer and it talked about like we don't know the damage to the infrastructure in Iran, uh blah blah blah blah. But the bottom line in this, Jim, was according to Mike Summers at API, it's going to be several months that it'll take for gas prices to go to back down.

[00:18:37]>> Um, that being said, walk me through what that means politically, like because the the president, I think, has conditioned people that if the war ends and and Scott Besset said, you know, maybe $3 gas, they the administration has kind of walked that back a little. He'd said $3 gas by probably September. But industry experts are saying it's going to take a while to clear the straight to make sure there's no mines. They've got to understand the infrastructure impact that some of the refining had to do in in in Iran. Point being is that I think there is widespread agreement now. It is going to be several months and these gas prices >> may go down but it's going to be slowly >> politically speaking. What is that what does that translate to for for the party? Look, and and I want to take a step back for a second, too, uh related to Iran. And you know, it it it's funny because I was telling somebody a little while ago, I think in a lot of ways the war, the major conflict is pretty much over because one of the things they've done is they've literally taken away Iran's ability not just to have nuclear weapons um and be able to launch ballistic missiles, they've taken away a lot of their military infrastructure. or so. And I'm not saying, you know, they're not going to try to lob a bomb at the UAE or the Saudis or Israel, um, because that's what they do. They're terrorists. Um, but I I I don't think you're going to have the moment, which was a mistake at the time, where George HW Bush Bush, you know, they basically said, "Hey, mission accomplished."

[00:20:14]You're not going to have a moment like that with with this thing. Um, because of just the nature of it. I think in a lot of ways, it's really kind of over.

[00:20:22]And look, if there's one thing Donald Trump proved the first time he was president and the second time, you know, in the beginning before the Iran conflict is he understands the economy and he also understands how to bring down prices, specifically the price of gas. And you know, when you talk to a lot of smart people, you know, economists like Larry Cuddlo and Stephen Moore, um, you know, and, uh, John Carney, they'll tell you that they're kind of amazed the how resilient the economy has been even in spite of this.

[00:20:56]And no question about it. Where I live, gases are approaching, you know, gas prices approaching $5. you know, out in California because of Gavin Newsome and his disaster, it's always it's like seven bucks out there for a gallon of gas. And there's But what I've been amazed at, we've done a lot of focus groups over the last couple weeks, and these were among swing voters. And the voters are pretty darn forgiving and understanding when it comes to this.

[00:21:26]They just want to see the prices go down. And I'm sure, look, Chris Summer knows a lot more about energy and oil than I'll ever know in my lifetime. But I think it may happen. He's got to protect his his clients there, and he's got to say, "Well, it's not going to happen overnight." I think it's going to happen. And I think it's going to happen much quicker than people think here. And I think the the White House once they're done dealing and they've brought peace to the Middle East and and it's really historic when you think about what's gone on there. I mean, they've literally isolated Iran from the other Arab nations, you know, and not only are the Arab nations becoming bigger allies to the US. Who ever would have thought that this would have happened, but now those Arab nations have become better friends to us than even uh you know, some of these European nations. And I think you're going to see these European nations are eventually going to get on board. They're really good at coming in after uh uh Donald Trump fixes their problems, but you've got, think about this, you've actually got Israel in alliances building on the Abraham Accords with these other Arab nations.

[00:22:40]And I think we're going to see we have the ability right now to see a peace that we haven't seen in mine in yours lifetime. And I've been around for even longer than you, Sean.

[00:22:52]But I think it's going to come down pe faster than people think. Like I said, >> the president has a proven uh track record on this.

[00:23:01]>> And and I actually think that there's some merit to this because he's not going to sit back. He's going to force everybody, you know, back to the table, if you will, and say, "All right, guys.

[00:23:09]You got to ship quicker. You got to do this." I mean, this is this is what he does. But there was a poll that the Desert News put out and it says four out of five Americans say the Iran war is driving up quote the cost of everything.

[00:23:22]The poll reveals a bipartisan consensus.

[00:23:24]The Iran war is battering American household finances and family across the country fill it every time that they fill up their poll or walk through. So they're regardless of whether it's it's to blame for every item in the grocery store going up, they're sort of attributing it to Iran.

[00:23:40]>> Yeah. Again, what I want to get you back on track is to say, okay, regardless of what's true or not, or how much is really to blame or not, the perception according to this poll is that people are saying the Iran war is to blame for this. So, how important is it politically? The president, I know you know this now, uh, is trying to get some kind of, you know, agreement. How important is that agreement to success for Republicans in the midterms?

[00:24:11]>> Oh, I I don't I don't think there's any question to it. We've got to get to the point where we're bringing peace there.

[00:24:17]And and by the way, I'm not going to I I think folks are right. Those four out of five people, no question, prices have gone up. Gas prices have have gone up.

[00:24:27]We're not like the Democrats who say when when Joe Biden gave us over $5 gas saying, "Oh, there's nothing to see here and whatnot and it's transitory and all the other kind of nonsense they were telling us." No question that the price of gas and other prices have gone up, but it's a small price to pay for the folks in Iran. For nearly 50 years, the terrorists, the Mullers in Iran have been killing Americans. They have the blood of literally thousands of Americans on their hands. And finally, every president used to talk about how, you know, we got to do something about Iran and we can't let them have a nuclear weapon. All of them, Republican, Democrat, they all said it. Finally, we have a president that has the guts and the courage to actually take them on.

[00:25:18]And no question, there's been some pain and discomfort for a couple months. But I think when it's all said and done, I've seen this before. I saw this before. Donald Trump's numbers went down during his first presidency at the time of uh impeachment. And then literally what happened right before CO, the end of February, and the president talks about this in his speeches, end of February, early March before we shut the economy down for CO, his numbers were through the roof. And they were our surveys. They were Tony Friszzio's surveys that were showing this. And so we saw it because the president won on u the impeachment. The economy was doing well. And I think you're going to see a similar kind of effect once everything is taken care of in Iran. I also think we're going to see some uh you know some positive things happen in both Cuba and also between Ukraine and Russia. So, I think it's a really interesting time over the next couple months.

[00:26:20]>> Okay. So, we just passed this week uh the sixmonth mark until the midterms. Um I would actually carve off another two months cuz people will start voting in a lot of states in September.

[00:26:33]>> Yes.

[00:26:33]>> Okay. So, if you start with today and go back to what we're talking about when gas prices go down or whatever, if you had to tell politicians, hey, you need the best possible conditions by X date for it to actually sink in, right?

[00:26:50]Because I you can't flip a switch in August and say, >> yeah, >> hey, gas prices went down a buck yesterday. Like, it takes some time.

[00:26:58]What is like the political timeline in your mind that hey we really need to see progress by you know the end of May, beginning of June, July what's the what's that timeline as a pollster that you would say to to politicians you're going to need to see some glimmers of hope by what? Oh, I I think it's around Labor Day. And I think again, >> and I'll tell you why I think that I was surprised where voters were in my focus groups and I've been seeing the poll numbers and by the way, you've seen some reputable polls out there, you know, where uh you know, somebody like Mark Penn, who is Bill Clinton's pollster, um you know, basically saying that the Republicans and the Democrats are tied in the generic ballot for Congress right now.

[00:27:41]But I because when we ask voters um what do you think of President Trump's policies, you know, lower taxes, the tough border, bringing down the cost of prescription drugs, etc. About twothirds of the voters will say, "Yeah, I may not agree with everything he says and done and does, but I think those are those are good ideas, and I like those." I think the biggest problem the Democrats have is they're nominating a bunch of extremists across the country. They've supported really insane extreme policies. I mean, I can't wait to get into the regular campaign season where we can hit them for wanting to. They supported the largest tax increases in American history. They're supporting open borders. They're did I'm telling you too, these shutdowns when we get in campaigns, they're going to come back to haunt them because they were their shutdowns. I know the media doesn't tell you that um that they were their shutdowns, but during a campaign, you can say Democrat Congressman X supported shutting down, you know, the Coast Guard and supported cutting down uh uh TSA, etc. vote supported not funding law enforcement. This is really extreme stuff. I I got to be honest with you. I can't wait until we get into actual contrast campaign season, which I think is going to happen sooner than a lot of people think because the Republicans have resources. Um >> that's Yeah. Yeah. They got they got millions millions to be able to do. And look, they have millions, but as I tell everybody, by hooker, by crook, the Democrats always find money to run campaigns. We never outspend them, in spite of what the media will tell you.

[00:29:32]>> Um, so speaking of which, I mean, you just talked about contrast. That's that's political speak for I'm going to rip the bark off of you. Um, if you're if you're advising Republicans right now, which you are, uh, and you see this in the polls there, I believe that I've never seen in my 30 years doing this a a an incumbent party with more accomplishments to go back to the voters on, right? So, you got no tax on tips, no tax on social security, this uh American uh tax car credit that they can talk about. Uh, they've actually got NATO to pay. I don't think people really care about NATO, but like they've actually Maha has made uh America healthier. Uh put us on a path. Okay.

[00:30:16]>> So, do you put your chips as a candidate on here are the things that you've done or do you create this alternative to say you may not be entirely happy with us, okay, but they really suck and they're going to raise your taxes. They're going to open the borders back up again.

[00:30:33]Where's that balance that you would advise a candidate? right now.

[00:30:37]>> It's it's and it's both those things.

[00:30:40]You need to define yourself because I'm seeing it with some of my incumbents that are running in tough battleground uh races, you know, they they've defined themselves on on their terms where they have their own brand where they're out there every day meeting with small business owners. You know, I had one of my clients the other day was going around to gas stations and saying, "Hey, I get it." you know, but if we get the policies of these crazy Democrats, you've got to do both. You've got to define yourself and have a positive message, which, you know, Donald Trump doesn't get enough credit for that back in the 2024 campaign. Again, he ran on issues saying, "Hey, this is how we're going to bring prices down. This is how we're going to secure the border, etc." and candidates need to take their lead from that where they can't do it just by going negative on the Democrats. You need to define your own brand and then when we get into contrast mode, Lord knows there's a lot of issues we're going to we're going to be able to define our Democratic opponents that are going to say, "Hey, it's failing." And we're also going to be able to say these folks are extremists. I mean, think about these candidates that they're nominating. Look at Maine. You know, literally the guy is pro-Nazi. He has a Nazi tattoo. And then we've got a guy the Democrats look like they're probably going to nominate for US Senate in Michigan.

[00:32:08]>> Michigan El Say who is who is basically say, "Yeah, you know what? America deserved 911." I mean, these people are crazy. They're anti-American and they're extremists. And the problem is too for the Democrats, they can't point to really anywhere in the country where their policies are working.

[00:32:31]>> No. Right. And I agree. I mean, we talked with Derek Van Orton yesterday, Navy Seal, Wisconsin, Wisconsin congressman. Like the idea that Graham Platner I I'm still amazed that a guy who had a Nazi tattoo and even worse to be honest with you when you think about it electorally said that women deserve their own sexual assault. Uh you know and and I'm thinking to myself, how is this guy like I I if you had sort of put a time capsule together and and said we're sending you back and and this is the nominee, I would say you got to be this joke. There's no way the Democratic Party is is is is putting forward a nominee that has those two things, never mind one of them. And yet that's the new Democratic party now.

[00:33:13]>> Yes. Yeah. I mean, you think about it, um, that back in 2000, one of the reasons why the race between Gore and Bush was so close was because of what Joe Lieberman did for Al Gore's ticket, especially in a place like Florida, a Jewish candidate, Jewish US senator from Connecticut. And I always thought he was a great vice presidential choice for for Al Gore. And and think about it, a Joe Lieberman could never be on a national Democratic ticket now because he'd be viewed as being too moderate. You have Kla Harris, this didn't get a lot of play. But you think about Kla Harris, she said in her book that she couldn't put Josh Shapiro on her ticket because he was Jewish. Are you kidding me? The the Democrats who say, "Oh, we're all for diversity and all this other kind of stuff." I can't put a Jewish guy on my ticket because it's gonna tick off my base. You would never ever hear that from a Republican. No. I mean, it's it's just flatout crazy. And then you look at the anti-semitism that's going on in a place like New York. It seems like almost on a daily basis. You have the followers of Zoron Mandani are out there. They're either causing havoc at a hospital or they're they protest in front of synagogues. Who ever would have thought that that would have happened? And and I'm being kind when I call these protests. These are usually violent riots that these people are involved with. And thank goodness we still have Jessica Tish there as the police commissioner because, you know, she's actually gotten the cops to be able to try as best they can to keep the police. When was the last time you heard Zoramani talking about, you know, we've got to stop the anti-semitism or we've got to let our Jewish brothers and sisters to be able to worship in peace and safety.

[00:35:11]He doesn't say it >> and that's the new Democratic party and that's what's going to be on display this November.

[00:35:18]>> Well, you brought up Mandami. Let me just sort of there's this you remember on tax day he stood outside of Ken Griffin and Ken Griffin is the uh president and CEO I mean maybe he's the chairman I don't know his exact title of Citadel it's a hedge fund >> right and he stood out st Mandami stands outside his home his building it's an apartment and it's worth a a boatload of cash and he says this is where Ken Griffin lives which by the way was a total like like that to me was a threat on Ken Griffin's life to say hey by the way here's his house Um, and he says, "We're gonna tax the crap out of him."

[00:35:52]He called it some weird thing, a peer to terror tax or something, which I >> Okay.

[00:35:57]>> So, and he thinks that he's being cute and it's gonna fund all of his crazy social programs. Well, Ken Griffin says yesterday, "Guess what I'm going to do?

[00:36:04]I'm going to move 4,000 jobs to Miami.

[00:36:07]Suck it, Mandami." I I I feel like >> like what do we need? I mean that that these guys from Kathy Hokll to Zora Mandami to Gavin Newsome love to talk about how their policies are so great and they're going to tax the rich. I I'm not like we all have to pay our fair share if you will for living in this great country, but like Democrats don't seem to get like he's not getting any attention is probably the way I'd say this for the fact that there are consequences. 4,000 jobs of of really rich dudes who pay taxes that probably support a boatload of social services in New York are now going to Miami. Welcome to Miami. Like they're going and mandami like when is the the when is this all going to come home to roost Jim? Because I feel like they get away with saying crazy stuff and then no one covers the reality of their I mean we saw it California everybody bolted right.

[00:37:02]There's a reason Nome's saying no to the billionaire tax. He's already seen what happened. Kathy Hokll's begging people to come back from Palm Beach and Zora Mandami is doubling down on stupid, >> you know, and and Sean, you you just said it really well there. It is it is it is insanity what he's doing. And I've had the opportunity to meet Ken Griffin a few times and I don't know him well by any stretch of the imagination, but what a nice, good, decent guy. this guy should be applauded. Um because I mean and and and what Manni did that was so dangerous. It was so dangerous because he was basically for the crazies for those violent radicals that we see time and time again on the left. He was basically putting a bullseye on Ken Griffin's back. and he was doing it um not too far away from where the CEO of United Healthcare was actually murdered in cold blood and shot it in his back.

[00:38:05]And look, you know who got it was Mike Bloomberg. And people are going to say, "Oh, he's rich." But he was the last good mayor that we had in New York City.

[00:38:13]I say this as a Republican that Mike Bloomberg was a good mayor. Because Mike Bloomberg understood, he goes, "Your main function as the mayor of New York City, one, keep people safe. Two, we can't be raising taxes on the job creators, on the tax revenue producers because what happens is they have the ability to lead more than others." And what Mike Bloomberg, whenever, you know, the crazy left-wingers would tell him, "Oh, got to raise taxes on the rich."

[00:38:45]Mike Bloomberg would say there's about 200 families that pay the vast majority of taxes in a place like New York City.

[00:38:54]We can't be taxing them out. And you're seeing all these failures where these policies don't work. If somebody could say, "Hey, you know, we have high taxes here in Illinois and it works." No, it's not working. if we have these high taxes and like Washington state for a while there was you had a lot of people going to Washington state because you know they wanted to get out of California and the high cost of living now they're all leaving Washington state because now they just came up with a so-called millionaires tax and what you usually find out too by the way when they have these millionaire tax this happened in New Jersey oh by the there's people that aren't necessarily millionaires that wind up paying that tax.

[00:39:38]>> Yeah. And you know, like as I remember somebody explaining it to me one time, they said, "Look, you know, if you're like you own a deli or you own like one or two gyms or whatever it is, when you go to sell it and you sell it for like $1.1 million, most of your life you might have been making like 90 $100,000.

[00:39:57]So what are they going to do? They're going to punish you for it."

[00:40:00]>> And a guy like Ken Griffin, >> he gives he hasn't paid millions in taxes. He pays billions with a B uh on his tax.

[00:40:10]>> And by the way, Jim, the thing that I point out to people is you don't think Ken Griffin's got a ton of accountants and lawyers that are saying this is how you can put your money in tax shel. It's not those policies don't usually affect the really rich dudes. They affect the guys that can't afford the accountant and the T. Like that's the difference.

[00:40:26]Um all right, look, I got two things I want to hit on you before we go. Uh the first is is the following. There was a story in the Wall Street Journal earlier this week that the pro-life community is kind of pissed off at the administration for some some issues with uh my pristone the drug and whether the FDA is acting enough and okay issue aside okay how important is it to have in a midterm election I would say is a base plus election if the pro-life community is pissed off Marjorie Danfelter Penny Nance all these people who are critical to the pro-life community right Susan Banthony concerned women for America.

[00:41:03]These guys are the bedrock, the cornerstone, a key component of the Republican conservative movement. If they're pissed, how problematic is that going into a midterm?

[00:41:14]>> You know what, and and you've mentioned some folks that I'm friends with and I have nothing but the utmost respect for, but and what I've talked to them is like, look, Donald Trump has done the heavy lifting for them for >> you know, he gave him the judges.

[00:41:29]>> No, no, Jim. And I get that like he's the most pro-life. I mean, this guy's done amazing stuff. But but I I guess what my point is >> either I I'm not arguing the policy piece of this. I'm just saying if those guys aren't happy and their members aren't motivated to vote regardless of the issue.

[00:41:45]>> Is that a problem?

[00:41:47]>> They they need and and you know what? I think it is a problem, but they better stop it from being a problem. And I'll tell you why. One of the things I've told a lot of my friends in the pro-life community, I consider myself part of the uh pro-life community is is this is we have to start changing hearts and minds.

[00:42:07]The laws have changed. The there's no question about it. But why does a place like California or a place like New York allow abortion up to the moment of birth? And why does a place like Alabama basically, you know, say, "Hey, you know, we've got a heartbeat bill there."

[00:42:25]Yeah, >> it's all about public opinion and it's because a place like Alabama, it's a pro-life state.

[00:42:33]>> We need to make people pro-life and we need to promote a culture of life. And the last thing you want to be doing is going and helping in these midterms elections. A bunch of crazy Democrats that are going to be, you know, supporting taxpayer funding of abortion are going to be supporting things like partial birth and late term abortions, etc. Remember, these are the same people that, you know, with Obamacare and the abortion stuff that was going on in there, they were suing the Little Sisters of the Poor because they didn't want abortion covered in their health care policies for the for the Little Sisters of the Poor. That's how crazy the Democrats are on on on abortion. So, look, I am not thrilled with it. I think what we got to do is is and I think what's happening over the years and and look I'm somebody who's filed this when I first got into politics was not too long after Row versus Wade became the law of the land and people always said you know what's going to happen you know we've got Row versus Wade it basically says abortions abortion's legal and all that other kind the whole country is going to become pro-choice you know over the next couple decades because of that did not happen because A lot of people we value life we value a culture of life and I think that's what our this is the point the laws have changed >> now it's up to us to change >> I do believe I look I I I'm with you on this in the sense that I think more than anything we need to figure out how do we start persuading people to value life more and the choices that they have the options they have I'm a big fan of that I mean there's a lot of options that we should be talking about adoption etc as as we promote a culture of life and and how it is so precious and how it's not just some random choice that you make like you're deciding what to have for lunch and and so I'm with you on that part. I think that's definitely something that maybe we could all come together on from on our side and say let's spend a lot of resources on this.

[00:44:41]Uh first of all, I love our conversations. Thanks for the insight and all this. I hope you get your copy of Trump 2.0. And Jim, I want to tell you and your brother and everyone if you want to come to the Kennedy Center on May 15th, the Trump Kennedy Center before it closes, I invite you up to the roof for the VIP reception. Even tickets are available at seanpicer.com.

[00:44:59]There's a free part and then there's the VIP part. Uh Jim and John McGlaughlin, the entire Mlacklin clan is welcome to come. Just go to shanunpicer.com and get those tickets.

[00:45:10]>> If if I can get there, I will be there.

[00:45:12]And I'm I'm looking forward to it. And like I said that a lot of times I can't read books right away. I kind of wait for the summer, you know, my summer reading. I'm going I'm I am that one's at the top of my list. I'm going to read it.

[00:45:27]>> All right, Jim. Thanks.

[00:45:28]>> I am upset I haven't gotten it yet.

[00:45:30]>> I know. Well, I'll talk to Jeff Bezos.

[00:45:32]I'll get you that.

[00:45:33]>> Looking forward to it. Thank you, Sean.

[00:45:36]>> You bet. All right, guys. Thanks for tuning in. We got a great panel coming your way. Plus, as I said on Friday, Yanuku Kellik is going to be here to talk about his new book that's a bestseller, top in the charts. No one else is going to bring you this conversation like we will. We'll see you back here tomorrow on the Sean Spicer Show.

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