Successful regime change requires organized opposition with leadership cells, coordination mechanisms, and strategic planning, rather than spontaneous protests alone; historical examples like the Irish War of Independence demonstrate that effective movements establish parallel governments and coordinate actions behind the scenes to successfully overthrow oppressive regimes.
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Hello. Hello everyone. Welcome to Downtime. My name is Nicholas Lamar Sudter and with me tonight is Commander Lance McMillan. Lance, how are you?
>> I'm doing pretty good today.
>> All right. Wonderful. Good. Glad to hear it. So, that was uh that was it Jim Kramer, I think is his name. He's does the Mad Money Show and he gives financial advice and what's he realized he admitted that uh Trump and the government was insider trading and he just admitted that to the and he's a financial adviser. He knows what insider trading is. So he just wowing him try to recover from that was yeah and like it's not technical difficulties folks we just need to go. was like, "I'll bet you, too."
Oh, dear Lord. Um, yeah, it's it's so uh Congress was let out early today, at least the House was, because it turned out that they were going to pass the resolution to, um, the uh, War Powers Act was going to pass the resolution.
>> You can't now.
>> No, you can't. So, uh, uh, the House Speaker let everybody go. Oh, they were they were short three three people.
Well, that was in the uh Senate was short three people. So, now why did the the House the House was going to lose it the So, he just sent everybody home again. Uh the complaint was uh where was this? I love this line that basically once again um uh the uh Congress of the United States is a wholesale subsidiary of the Trump administration.
>> Yeah.
>> Seriously?
Well, this is this was what the um um uh minority leader said was once again the uh House Republicans >> majority leader >> uh no the minority leader said that um uh that the Republicans are a wholesales subsidiary of the Trump administration.
>> Yeah.
>> Um so which Yeah. Um it's it's Wow. Oh, and now this slush fun. And okay, so this is yesterday.
I'm coming home and I hear a ding on my Discord and I I have to check him. So, uh, but it just comes up on my phone. I don't need to like do anything. I just glance over and it's Alex. And I don't know what he said. I can't read it because the phone's too far away. But we've been trying to get a hold of Well, we stopped trying to get a hold of him because there's no point. Um we we started trying to get a hold of him about 4 months ago. Um I pulled every string, every connection that was somehow related to whim nothing. Now internet's down in Iran, but uh we had been trying to get a hold of him since even before that with the protesters um and the riots. They killed 20,000 people and he has a tendency to be at those places and he was um he got out okay, but we didn't know this at the time. So, I I did my best to find him. Everybody on the Discord was asking about him. Everybody was worried. And um finally, we just reached a point where it's like either he gets a hold of us or we'll never know. Uh it's that's just it. So, yesterday I'm driving, there's this message from him. I was like, whoa. So, um and I I said this yesterday. Okay.
Rather than I I could was just going to notify everybody that he's okay. I was just like, "No, well, people want to talk to him, so let's let's just do a live show. It's just as easy as uh putting out like a thing on the Discord and everybody can talk to him as long as there was no way to translate the text."
And he couldn't do audio. His internet was that bad. He's like I was just like, "Are you sure you can't just do audio?"
He's like, "No." He's like, "I'm barely connected with text."
So, uh, we had this whole text conversation. I did CC it to, um, Lance cuz I wanted to get his, uh, take on it.
Uh, it was an interesting conversation.
>> It really was.
>> Yeah. Um, Wow. I Well, how about you? You Is there a place you want to begin? I got a couple things I want to hit on that we had talked about. Uh, but is there anything in particular you want to uh wanted to hit on?
>> No. Uh, I'll let you cover what high points you have from what you felt he had to say and then I'll sum up a couple of my takeaway impressions, I think, is the best way to say it.
All right. First of all, I'm I feel blessed that we have that resource because that is somebody that is a civilian inside Iran and uh we think we'll be able to talk with him again. Uh he believes he's got uh reasonable access to uh just text. That's it. Um but um the two things that struck me the most uh the first is I we've been playing those Lego videos and I love those videos. I really do. Um but I was saying to myself, I'm not going to let the propaganda work on me. I'm going to enjoy them, but we're going to remind everybody that they're propaganda. This and that. We've been hyping them up on this channel because the audience likes them, too. You guys like them. All I and I was sitting there going, it did cross my mind once or twice while I was playing. How would Alex feel about me playing them? And they they always say, look, you know, the people are not the government and we the the people of Iran have complaints against our government as well. Yeah, you they can say that in the in these videos, but it's the government that's making these videos, not the people.
And um it's the government that's trying to soften my position.
And as much as I detest Trump, and Trump is there for all the wrong reasons.
Trump mentioned once it a as a cause that a reason to go there is because they murdered 20,000 protesters, which the reason Trump wants to invade Iran for doing that is so that he can talk to the Ayatollah and say, "How do you get away with murdering 20,000? I got I I killed two when they're trying to get my ass arrested. What's your secret?" But um that notwithstanding uh so uh I I it's just weird. It was it was very interesting seeing the perspect his perspective. I thought he was honest about it. He said half the people here are willing to starve rather than live under the ayatollah. The other half are okay with it. Um so he wasn't like we're all ready to and he was just like no this is this is he was giving us his honest perspective. It's one person's perspective, but it what's I think um his honest perspective, but the other one as literally as we're talking to him, we get two separate breaking news that we would have gone live with anyway, and it's just like, oh my god.
The first is that um uh the Israeli government dissolves. Uh now Netanyahu must have screwed up something fierce to have done that. And the reason is because they were already going to have an election in October, I think it was.
>> Yeah.
>> So, this pushes the election up. They're sitting there going, rather than just get rid of it in October, we want to do it as soon as possible. So, they just they they just um uh uh dissolve the government. So, I don't know when the election's going to be. I don't know what the requirements are for how much time, but the consensus is there's no way he can win it. I've heard that before and he's one. But having said that, this I mean this looks like it's it for him. And for everybody that I can think of and and this is one of the reasons I like doing this show is cuz we try to be genuine and honest about different opinions and different sides that we don't normally think about. And everybody that I can think of is like, "Thank God Netanyahu, this genocidal maniac who has killed tens if not hundreds of thousands of people, starved babies to death without batting an eyelash without so much as I'm sorry." And Alex is like, "Oh no. Oh no. He you you can't you can't be telling me he's gone." And I was just like, it took me a second. I'm like, "Why?" Yeah. Yeah. Why aren't you jumping for joy? I was like, "Oh, because he wants to attack your country and get rid of your leadership.
That's why."
And it it's a little head spinning, you know? You know what I mean? Between the Legos, uh, which is this this propaganda that, you know, they're they're a happy hunky dory country until we attacked them.
and the resistance in in Iran that wants to see their government gone, their government that uh rapes women, murders.
It's uh I mean, and he's told us before, we've had these.
>> So, I I don't It was um it it was interesting how he's got very different perspectives on say ousting Netanyahu than I do. And I can completely empathize with it. It it's just it's a it's it's got me rather tongue tied.
>> Yeah. I I I can sympathize with his views as well. But at the same time that and a number of other things he said in his exchange, his chat exchange with you, it left me with a feeling like the play Waiting for >> GDO, >> which it's theater of the absurd and the whole postulate is it's just the entire length the play. Two guys sitting there on stage talking about this guy named Goodauo who's going to come and solve all their problems for them.
>> Yeah.
>> And that's what gets me is that there's to some degree a sense I come away with that. And I'm not saying Alex specifically. I'm not saying the Iranian opposition specifically, but a general sense that the Iranian people, while very dissatisfied with their government, are waiting for somebody else to come and fix the problem. Be that Netanyahu and Israel, the United States and Trump, uh the Pavlavi family, somebody is going to come and save them. They're not intrinsically and organically trying to organize a revolution, a resistance to the regime.
>> Yeah. And that's what gets me is that the only times you find in history that organizations are successful in overthrowing a government that was an oppressive government is because the people themselves organize and overthrow that government. You saw that in Ukraine. You saw it in Hungary in 56. You saw it in Czechoslovakia in ' 68. all of that. It's it's people on their own trying to organize opposition.
And don't get me wrong, the Iranian people are courageous. They got out in the streets and protested, but it wasn't organized, per se. It was spontaneous. And that's what I'm getting at is for a revolution to be successful, it has to be organized. There have to be, you know, leadership cells that are coordinating things, organizing things behind the scenes, orchestrating all the protests to occur at the right times in the right locations. And I don't get a sense that that's going on >> and that that wasn't happening when we when they had the massive protests two or three years ago when we first met, Alex. And you had made the same objection then too, which was you said, you know, this was unprecedented in terms of its size, but it did not have a leader. And that was something that that basically you had yet to see one be successful without uh uh the leadership.
Alex's response to that was, well, we do have a leader, which is the sha. Well, the sha the sha is u uh thought of as the leader by a small minority if I understand of the the the people who want to overthrow the government and that does beg the question for me why do they want the >> even resublavi himself has said he doesn't intend to come back and reinstate the monarchy and rule he simply wants to facilitate it so that they can have a dem democratic government.
That's wonderful.
Whether you believe him or not, it's still a wonderful sentiment. The issue is he's not standing up in that leadership role.
>> Yeah.
>> And that's what I see is lacking here. I mean, you go back and I think the the the classic case is the uh before the Northern Irish troubles, but the actual war of independence against Britain by the Irish, there was a whole separate government in a shadow government that had been established by the the Fenons to you know set that up. There were courts. There was a taxation system. There was an army IRA that evolved into what we know from the Northern Irish troubles. But that's my point is that's an organized opposition to overthrow somebody. And I'm not really to my sensibility seeing that occurring right now.
There's opposition, but there's no organization.
>> Yeah. which I mean when when the colonies over uh um uh became independent and overthrew British rule, they had very established contested at times but nonetheless leadership and a a a an authority who represented what you know the path going forward.
>> Yeah. Um, apparently they they say that there is a peace deal now in place. So now I'm torn. I mean, uh, Trump isn't, I don't think, going to do regime change, but Alex Alex seemed to suggest, and I don't know how much he knows about the Republican Guard. He thinks he knows a good deal. He's apparently one of his relatives is in the Republican Guard. Um but we all think we know more than we do when we're connected to the So he may be accurate, he may not. He seems to think that um they the uh leadership is more damaged than it appears to us.
>> Oh yeah.
>> Um he also wants to say that >> I I think that we did a lot more damage to them than we think we did. M >> but at the same time it because the organization was organized the way it was just killing you know the head off of the snake doesn't kill the snake. It springs two more heads. That's the problem is that they were decentralized enough that they could survive.
Well, and the Kurds, which presumably were going to come in both from the north and the east, um, and presum I think if I recall, they had 10,000 that they were speaking with in Iraq that were going to come in and they ended up getting a hundred of that 10,000 that actually went. And it sounds like they got wiped out at the first border checkpoint in Iran. So I I I don't Yeah, it's probably not uh funny, but um and Alex was just I thought he'd be like, "Yeah, yeah, hopefully the Kurds will come." He's like, "Yeah, no, don't don't count on the Kurds." I was like, "Yeah, that was that was somebody should have told whoever was planning our overthrow."
>> And again, the Kurds don't have a dog in that fight.
>> Yeah. The Kurds do not want to simply remove the revolution, the Islamic revolutionary government to install some other form of Persian government because they are viewed by the vast majority of Iranians as outsiders. They are not Persians.
They're Kurds.
They don't want they want an independent Kurdistan, which is something that I think you probably could get Alex to admit he doesn't agree with or support.
>> Well, and um I I think that's a good point is that uh they have nothing to gain and everything to lose because right now while they don't have their own country, they almost do. I I mean they they're allowed their own space that for the most part they they as long as they keep to themselves they're okay there and the Iranians are like you know okay have fun that that area is yours but they risk losing that because if there's a democracy everyone's going to even if the Kurds gave it to them everyone's going to say yeah you don't have that space anymore.
>> Yeah. And the the other side of the country is the same way with the Baluks who are on the Iranian Pakistani border who are another ethnic group.
Again, the Iranians don't see them as being Persians and they don't trust them and the Bluks don't trust the Persians because they've been oppressed by the Persians.
So, you know, a lot of this is hold over from postc colonialism where borders got drawn without really looking at ethnic and religious divisions.
All right, Daddy Jim, I got your uh I see your your your question there. I will ask um I I think I know where where it's going to go with it, but it definitely I will pass that on. So, give me a second. Uh Dave Marvin gifted five uh memberships. Thank you Dave uh for yet another uh gift of memberships. We really do appreciate it. Daddy uh Jim Fella uh gifted 10 uh pounds uh British is it British 10b British sterling I think is the full the full uh 10. Uh hi Nick and Lance sir just home uh from the sea. Great to be with you guys. Slava Ukraine and God bless the Royam Slava and thank you very much uh for your donation. Um and I'll get to your question in just a minute. Um and I think it's Jose uh uh Vontes 26. Thank you, Nick, for getting those donations to me. It was very much appreciated.
You're very welcome. Uh I did I did I all I did was acted as an intermediary uh just because I was capable of doing that. So very glad that it worked out for you and thank you very much for the uh super chat. That's just um uh helps us. Uh 10 quid. There you go. Um uh that's what I should have said, 10 quid.
Um uh very glad I could help and thank you for helping us with the super chat and helping us in the algorithm. So thank you, sir. Um, so Daddy Jim was asking about how how do you have an uprising when you have a brutal regime that is cutting off people's heads in the streets, is heavily armed, well-trained, and while the people outnumber them, um, you know, uh, they're not armed. So um any any thoughts about that?
>> You look at the Yuguslav partisans for example in a country occupied by the Nazis and the fascist Italians and various extremist ethnic groups that were against one another and siding with the Germans.
Tito's partisans managed to basically liberate the country before the Russians arrived.
That's why you had a Yugoslavia that while it was a communist state was not aligned with the Russians because they'd already done their uprising so to speak. That's what I'm trying to to say is that yeah, you have things that you can do. They will come at enormous cost.
But the alternative is to just sit there and let the bad guys do whatever it is they want to do and not stand up to them.
The it's a trit phrase, but it's true.
Freedom isn't free.
>> Well, and I think here's here's the thing. Um, if if I understand you correctly, um, and I've I've heard you uh say this several times, um, the problem isn't a lack of manpower.
Um, because I mean, when they killed 20,000, that was that was, you know, they were machine gunning into the crowds, but there was far more. There was at least a 100,000, possibly a million. There was a million in protest against uh uh Netanyahu what, three or four years ago, burned down his house and all this other stuff. uh that is far more in my my understanding than the minimum required manpower to overthrow a country. And yet in no case neither in Israel nor in Iran did they do it and the reason is because of a lack of organization and leadership. Yeah.
>> So if there were leaders, >> there's a vast difference, and we're seeing this here in the US, >> there's a vast difference between being unhappy with loathing the ruling government >> and rising up to overthrow it. You can get out in the streets and protest. You can hold a general strike, whatever.
That isn't overthrowing the government.
Overthrowing the government, regime change is a costly undertaking and it requires potentially years of struggle of guerilla struggle to accomplish.
A and it is it is I mean the irony I would think is there's I mean you'd just be wargaming any scenario. It's impossible to tell, but you could have less than 20,000 casualties um in a in a guerilla war situation trying to overthrow the government. So, they're they're doing these peaceful protests against a government that's willing to mow all of them down. Uh that strategy is >> Look at the orange revolution >> in Ukraine.
>> Yep. Yep.
>> Yeah. There were casualties.
It wasn't huge numbers, but it was significant.
But that's the point is that when the regime and its supporters, and many of the supporters are kind of fair weather sailors, as we like to jokingly call them, you know, people who, oh yes, I know how to sail. I go out in my little boat when it's calm outside. You know, have you ever been out in the storm?
Hell no. That'd be dangerous. Well, that's means you're not really a sailor.
You're just a guy in a sailboat.
And that's the the point is that you have to stand up. You have to fight. It's going to be costly. But when the fairweather supporters of the regime see that there is a violent opposition that is willing to stand up and do things, many of them fade into the background.
Doesn't mean they're no longer supporters of the regime. It just means they're not willing to put their lives on the line. Well, and not for nothing, but if you take a look at how Ukraine right now is handling Russia, Russia is a country that's what 10 times bigger.
And Putin strikes me as actually being a little scared of them right now. Um, I don't know that he's I mean, he's a psychopath. I don't know he's capable of feeling fear, but he's he's aware that they've got him a little over a barrel.
And he has his security detail has basically doubled because Ukraine has caused so much discontent at home. His regime is suffering um because of what Ukraine is doing from well what Keev is doing from quite a distance away from Moscow.
Um, is that a good is that a good analogy? Does that >> Yeah, I think that that's that's not bad. Um, I know some people say, well, nonviolence can't does work. Look at India.
And yeah, the popular story we tell ourselves is, you know, nonviolent protest by Gandhi and, you know, the march to the sea to make salt on the railroad strikes and all of that. Yeah, that had an impact.
What really had an impact that doesn't really get acknowledged is the fact there were over a 100,000 Indian PS who joined the Japanese in attacking India.
Order to prevent a general uprising. The British basically made a deal with Gandhi and the Indian National Congress that we will give you freedom after the war, but we need you to openly state that you are not advocating for violent uprising.
So the threat of violence can be almost as effective as actual violence, which is a question I've always asked about civil rights in the US. Could Martin Luther would Martin Luther King Jr. have been as successful as he was? and he was absolutely unquestioningly successful with his nonviolent approach. And when the children uh in in Birmingham were getting hit with hoses and and dogs and other countries saw that on television for the first time, that really changed things. But would he have been as successful if uh Malcolm X wasn't also out there? Because >> arming the Panthers.
>> Yes. because people realized we can do this the easy way or we can do it the hard way. And so Martin Luther King Jr.
gets all this credit. But there was the the people who were who were saying, "Okay, let's we're going to get the Voting Rights Act through Congress."
We're sitting there going, "We can work with Martin Luther King Jr. or we can fight with Malcolm X. Those are our options."
>> Yeah. Um, >> and and that that's part of what I'm saying is for a popular uprising, for lack of a better description, to successfully occur in Iran, they need to have that implied threat of violence. There needs to be, you know, some form that the the government, particularly those fair fair weather sailors that, you know, are in the revolutionary guard who get afraid for their own lives and their famil family's lives and they start backing away. I mean that's one of the big things that made a difference in the Irish uh war of independence is the early targets were to attack the small Irish royal constabulants constabularary uh police stations.
Yeah, they were trying to get weapons, but the real effect, and I don't know if they planned this, but the real effect was that it caused like 80ome percent of the Irish in the Irish constabularary to quit.
>> And so in order to effectively police the country, they had to bring in outsiders, Englishmen, to act as a police. Those are the famous blacks and tans. and their excesses are what caused the average Irishman to get so thoroughly pissed about the way England was ruling that it changed the whole face of the war.
Um uh Daddy Jim 10 quid uh thank you Lance sir for your wisdom. Uh that is why we are here. Uh Nick and Commander uh bring the facts. Um, so, uh, well, uh, >> one of us on the day is wise.
>> Caution people when they say that a lot of what I'm saying is my opinion. It's backed up with historical facts in some places, >> but you can't say these are the facts about what's going on in this corner of the world that we only have spotty information on. I'm I'm kind of extrapolating from historical precedent of where it could arguably should go.
>> Well, and if I recall, every time I've heard you talk about this, what I've heard you say is that you haven't seen or heard of a successful one that did not have a leadership. So, you know, that's just your understanding of history. And the the uh problem that you see as you look at the situation that jumps out at you is this is this one does not um this one would be an outlier if it were to be successful. Um barring that change. Now I' I'd like to see that. I'd like to see them have a leader. I know Alex would too, but I I think it's interesting because you had pointed this out in the last time we had heard from him. You know, he was like, "We hope the US invades. We hope um all these things happen and it it has happened and they are still >> waiting. At the time I thought a US invasion >> was highly unlikely.
>> Yeah.
you know, yeah, we might bomb things, but that facilitates them rising up by disrupting, you know, the command control structures, blowing up armories where the uh revolutionary guard stores its weapons and such, but it's still incumbent on them to rise up and seize power. I he and he said he said um you know well uh we we heard Donald Trump say that we are not to to to rise up. Isn't that isn't that what he he said? And that is what he said. I remember when he said it cuz at first he said rise up. He's like no no no don't rise up. You'll get you'll get mowed down. I was just like yeah. Uh but I I'm sitting there going like listening to advice on anything from Donald Trump is like asking love for mar marriage advice. Yeah. Don't Wow. Um but I was just like how did you hear that? Must have been the government was just like oh Trump is saying don't rise up and just it was it was weird too to see how seriously he took that. He's like well your president has told us. I was like yeah he's our president. He's not yours.
Yeah, trust us. We know better. You can't trust the damn thing the man says.
>> Oh no. So gut-wrenching one of his fabulous golden telephones and you'll know what I'm talking about.
>> Yeah. With the with the flag that's got 11 bars on it.
Oh my god. that that I think is the the issue is that you know we can't go in and do it for them because what you end up with is us establishing, >> you know, a military occupation and then the government that comes to power after we successfully do that isn't necessarily the one you want. You could be trading, you know, one pack of criminals for another.
Let Let me ask you this.
>> Sure.
>> Because there are there are many examples of exactly what you just said, Iraq, Afghanistan, um uh and I I have no doubt it would it's exactly what would happen in Iran.
I can think of one counter example, Japan. How did we successfully do it in Japan where we failed everywhere else?
We did and we didn't. We did not change the structure of Japanese society appreciably.
A lot of the families that had been the dominant ruling families of Japan pre-war were the same ones who are still pretty much in charge and to a large extent are the same ones today. You know the giant zyatu that are the industrial conglomerates that rule Japan and govern everything.
>> Yeah. Those are the same zebatsu who were in power during the 30s and led up to the war.
So yeah, we put in place democratic institutions and it is slowly gradually to some extent change Japan.
But you know if you look at the way Japanese society is structured today with you know the all the quirky little things you know the the salary men who literally work themselves to death uh young men who barricade themselves in their rooms and literally will not come out because they're terrified of society and uh all of that kind of stuff. It's it's it's a problem, you know, and we we didn't so much allow Japan to develop a natural native democracy. We kind of put in place the foundation structure and then said, "Okay, you guys put up the drywall and the windows and the doors."
But >> it ended up being a building that looked very very similar to what had been before.
Do you think then it's even possible in or hypothetically would have been if we had behaved differently been possible in some of the previous countries I I named or would be even worth it in in Iran going forward uh to or is there no real way to change a regime ourselves?
We can. It's the question of what comes after it. And given what our current regime is in this country, were we to somehow take control of Iran and impose our own version of it, I don't think it would necessarily be all that much better.
I don't I it we wouldn't be doing them the favor it would look like. That's that's for sure.
>> Um >> no, he he'd find a couple of willing wealthy billionaire types and to be a billionaire type in Iran today means you have to have close ties with the regime.
And he'd find cooperative ones who would give him the money and let themselves rule. And then, you know, so you've changed the color of the underwear.
Whoopee.
>> Yeah. It's still soiled underwear, dude.
>> All right. All right. Um, speak uh speaking of uh soiled underwear. So, Trump um Yeah, >> we all knew what you were referring to.
>> Yeah. Yeah, we all know. Um, and this so Congress uh let out early because I guess the House uh the Senate passed uh the War Powers um uh a war powers bill to limit Trump's ability to act in Iran, which apparently they have a a a second draft of a peace proposal that both sides seem to like. It does not mention apparently nuclear material at all. It does seed uh presumably the straight of Hormuse to Iran, but they agree that they will never close it ever again.
Okay. Um I don't know if that deal is real. I don't know.
>> Mission accomplished.
>> Yeah, I know exactly.
Just wow.
So wellknown Republican meme >> and the Nimmits is on its way to um uh Cuba now. So and we've just indicted um uh >> you know if you if you can't win in Iran, invade Cuba. That may get you what you want.
>> I I think that's what the the reason Trump is such a winner is because he just anytime he's about to lose, he packs up all his shit and goes somewhere else. Yeah. Um, now, um, I I I do watch Fox News. I try to, um, uh, I I try to keep up to date with how they're spinning things. It's always it's it's getting to the point where it is a little hard to stomach and it it's it's hard to watch, but Newsmax is on another level entirely. Newsmax is Fox News on steroids doesn't even Newsmax makes Fox News look like MSNBC.
Um uh I mean I and the Newsmax guys is insane. We played and I I don't know his name. I don't I don't care what his name is. Uh but he was trying to there was a a aid worker who was trying to get fuel to a hospital because they whenever the power went out, the nurses all had to go down and manually in the NICU uh pump the hearts of all the children who were who were premature to keep them alive and just do CPR for hours uh waiting for the power to come back on. And this guy was just like, "Well, aren't you helping the enemy? Aren't you this and that?" and he's like, "Do you have any idea what it's like down here?
Have you been to Cuba?" He's like, "This is what we're doing. This is what we're goes, who here is an enemy?" Um, and uh, humiliated the guy. So, we played that clip. You may remember it. We're going to play another clip of the same guy.
Um, astonishingly, and I'm I again I've always I'm learning that I I do not understand uh conservatives enough to be able to predict what genocide is fine.
Um, uh, >> the other guy.
>> Yeah. uh child sex slavery is kind of fine until a certain point >> they they deserve >> and then at a certain >> for the money.
>> Yeah, exactly. And then at a certain point it's not fine anymore. And we've hit that point for a lot of conservatives but not for the ones in power. So we'll we'll see how much they actually have that value. And now this slush fund 1.77 so $1.8 8 billion.
Uh that Trump is uh >> I thought it got boo boosted up to 2.1.
>> Oh, if if it did, I hadn't I hadn't heard about that yet. Um let's see. Last I saw it's still uh 1.7, although I uh there was a second fund. Yeah, it's 1.8 is what I'm seeing. Um a lot of Republicans are pissed about it.
>> Why so?
>> I Well, I guess. But rightfully they they're rightfully >> they weren't cut in.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I think that may be um and I know they've they've made sure they're trying to make sure right now that senators um are not exempt from this fund. The way the fund is written they're not. But there's a previous law I guess on the books that says money drawn from so because Congress has power of the purse any settlements Congress would normally have to sign off on to give the money.
Instead what Congress did was they just said no we're going to create a very large fund and the DOJ can just draw from that to pay any settlement so we don't have to sign off every time there's a settlement anywhere in the US with the uh uh with the federal government. Uh, so they're using that law where they're going to get the 1.8 billion. I guess it has to that cuz I think that exceeds what's in that that fund. But, uh, at any rate, presumably, my understanding was that Congress cannot. So, it's a there is a pre-existing fund that this is going to be drawing fund from. And without a specific letter from a judge or something like that, members of Congress can't um uh draw from that. And they're trying to pass they tried, I think, I I I don't think it got done before they left. Oops.
uh to pass legislation saying that no federal agent can be the recipient of any of this money. Another reason to do that is so Donald Trump doesn't give all the money to himself because he can he can he can right now the way it's set up he can just take the 1.8 and walk away.
Um I >> never do that. This is this is about on par with any corruption I saw in the USSR. Now the USSR this was Tuesday. I mean USSR they were doing this regularly so it wasn't a big deal. It's a huge but I mean this is basically >> this is ABS scam and the Enron and the Peod dome affair. This is all per compared to what he's doing. He's literally just saying open the treasury.
I'll take out of it what I want which is everything.
>> Yeah. And and out of curiosity, all the people who got pissed off about uh the the solar panel scandal with Obama that a company was was getting, you know, where are they right now? because this is a lot more money, a lot more I mean, this is an actual uh this should violate a number of laws as far as I'm concerned, but the the branch of government that's supposed to enforce the laws is the one doing it and the one that's supposed to write the laws is not doing any of their oversight.
So, I why why is the people What was the name of that company?
>> Let me ask you from a different perspective, >> please.
How many Republican senators and representatives are there in total?
>> Um, just >> 400. Yes.
>> 4 400 and something I think.
>> Okay. Let's say it's 400.
If you give every one of those guys $100,000, that barely affects 1.8 billion.
>> Yeah.
You just buy them off.
>> Buy them off.
>> And And that's the way you do anything in the Republican party. It's all about how can I enrich myself?
>> Oh, that reminds me.
Um, >> biggest bunch of criminals on the planet.
>> Ask Sage a question real quick.
Oh, I don't know. Um, I'm just have to figure out because a key when talking to AI is making sure you prompt it correctly. And because you don't want to pause mid, I have to think about the prompt for a second. Um, Sage, did Elon Musk say anything recently about how billionaires should no longer be paying taxes and that it's billionaires who are carrying most of the burden for most of America?
I hate that sound.
>> Elon Musk recently commented that even taxing every billionaire at 100% wouldn't make a big dent in the US national debt since it's so huge. He also pointed out he paid over 10 billion in taxes in a single year, arguing that billionaires already carry a big load.
He's focusing more on federal spending and structural debt rather than just raising billionaire taxes.
>> Well, he's done a spectacular job.
And I think it's safe to say he never paid no 10 billion.
>> Yeah, he didn't. He didn't pay >> I'd be surprised if he paid 100 that amount.
>> Oh. Um, so Trump, we're going to get to the Newsmax thing in in a minute, but all of this came because Trump's taxes were released. And I remembered cuz we covered that um New York Times got a copy of his taxes and um are you sitting down? Never mind. I see that you are good. You know what's coming.
>> I could be squatting, not sitting.
>> Okay. I I just want to make sure you're you've braced yourself.
>> Do you know how much money Trump paid in taxes the year before he ran for president?
$720, >> I guess.
>> $720 or $1,000.
>> No, $720.
>> Yeah. That that that pretty much computes.
>> Yeah. And and the year before and the year before. And apparently that number has a very specific like if you go higher than that, it has other tax implications or whatever. It's sort of like when people bring into the country $9,999 because at$10,000 you automatically trigger like an IRS audit to see if you're drug trafficking or whatever. But >> um yeah, so all this money that he said so the taxes that he said he was going to release anyway but refused to release got released with a whole bunch of other people's taxes. The person who released it released over a thousand uh people's taxes.
He's the only one getting compensated by the US government. He sued the US government for 10 billion.
The um IRS sent a memo to the Justice Department saying that they could easily win the case. They have no concerns about the case. Um they sent a memo as to what their strategy was. The Justice Department refused to even read it. They sent it back and said they didn't want to know what what the strategy was. It didn't matter. They were going to settle.
So now they've got this slush fund which apparently and I'm I'm this slush fund, the anti-weaponization fund. I had forgotten this. Trump campaigned on that in 2024. He campaigned on that. So he's been looking for a way to do this and until and so now he's got this he's got this money. he's going to be paying people off and for some reason there are Republicans who are upset about it.
I'm delighted but it's like why is this the threat and maybe maybe and you you may have hit the nail on the head which is they're upset about it because if they get upset about it there's more incentive to pay them off or they're going to get paid off more to shut up. So, right now, just go.
I can't believe. Oh my god. Uh, $1,000.
>> Umbrage, sir. I'm taking Umbrage.
>> I'm shocked. Shocked to learn that there's gambling at this. Oh my god. So, this this is uh Newsmax. Uh I think it it had to have been either last night or earlier today. Um wow.
Uh here we go.
Oh, message to the people of Cuba today in Spanish. Then Raul Castro gets indicted. I get it. The Ayatollah is gone. Nicholas Maduro is in jail. But now Cuba, I just look I think people struggle with how this is America first when gas is 455 a gallon right now.
>> It is and you're absolutely right. But at the end of the day, Cuba has always been a national security threat. As you said earlier, we've been negotiating with Cuba since before I was born. I'm 53 years old. So, uh, the negotiations have gone nowhere. Cuba's lead. Now, >> now, now wait a minute, though. If we've been negotiating with them since then, but we've never had a war with them, then how can you say they're not going?
They haven't. We What What's the complaint?
This is the the craziest thing I've ever Oh my god.
>> Is at the end of his lifespan. Uh the Cuban people clearly, unlike maybe the Iranian people, the Cuban people clearly uh want a regime change in Cuba. Uh it's just, you know, minutes away from from Miami and and Florida in the United States. So it's it's a strategic uh problem for the United States. But do you really think they're a threat, Mr. Chairman?
>> Do do you really think that Cuba's a threat?
>> Well, >> if if some country went in and loaded Cuba with the same drones that Iran had uh when we first started bombing Iran, then yes, I think it could be a threat.
>> Okay. Okay.
Sorry.
>> If they all had giant, you know, like Godzillaike monsters, they'd be a huge threat.
>> Yeah.
All right. I think we should invade Texas because frankly if Texas had the kind of weapons that they've got in Iran, they would be a huge So, let's just invade Texas. I think just call it a Oh my god.
>> Fucking moron.
>> I Jesus. Well, and this is and this >> But it's Kentucky >> and this is apparently this is what qualif on Newsmax. I don't Oh. Oh my god. This is the craziest thing I've ever heard. All right. Uh >> I I don't think that's there. I know John Radcliffe has been on the ground.
The CIA is on the ground as we speak uh talking to the Cuban officials. I really don't think Rob it'll get to any type of military action, but the president's threatening that he's increased sanctions on Cuba. I don't know how many more sanctions the Cubans can take, especially after what happened in Venezuela. Uh the CubanAmerican population clearly supports what the president's doing in Cuba. Uh thus far it hasn't cost >> they want their plantations back.
>> Yeah. Well, and it's it's the Bay of Pigs. Uh they're there again. It's all the uh expats >> tax dollars other than to send a few diplomats to to Cuba. But at the end of the day, I think that we >> Now, I hate to give the reporter any credit, but I mean, the reporter asked a question, and this guy's just dodging the how is this America first. He's like, well, you know, expats from Cuba all all wanted us to do it.
>> Got to be on guard because of the new >> and well, and Marco Rubio gives an address in Spanish. Oh, God.
>> New types of of warfare that's out there with these new drones and the new technology.
play out in Iran.
>> I I understand that. Axios had a report this week that the US is concerned. I'm sure you saw this about a possible Cuba drone strike on Florida. And and I'll be honest, Mr. Chairman, I I know that you've got the security clearance to know more about this, but to me, this just sounds like we're trying to make the case to attack Cuba. I don't buy it.
It sounds like a false flag operation.
Would you support military a >> All right, this is news Max is actually going about. He the oh oh drones to attack Florida is is too too much. Even he's like that's just be oh my god >> action in Cuba if it came to that and I guess more importantly do you buy this report in Axios?
>> Well I know that I've been one of the biggest critics of our intelligence community over the past 10 years.
They're usually wrong. They usually do everything they can to get us to the point of warfare because that's what they uh like to do apparently, but at the end of the day, I don't think anybody right now supports an invasion of Cuba or anything else. We're hoping that this can uh turn diplomatically.
Again, with the age of Castro and with the economic conditions, the worst they've ever been in Cuba, I think now is a a prime time for a strong president to go in and try to uh change that country and and hopefully get it done.
He he's, you know, made some great progress in other countries like Venezuela uh in his administration dating back to the first term.
Credibility on the international stage.
So, uh I'm hoping for the best, but I don't want to see boots on the ground. I don't want to see missiles fired. I don't want to see any of that. But hopefully we can do it diplomatically.
All right, let me >> All right, this is not I thought this was the one where he talk talks about the slush fund, but I don't think we've he basically said, "Look, it that looks like a slush fund, a completely illegal slush fund." And and the guy's like, "No, no, no. You you're just not understanding the goal. It's to it's to pay back people who have been, you know, weaponized by He's like, "Look, I agree.
The government's been weaponized and and all this other stuff." uh you know, anybody who feels they've been wronged can sue the government. Uh why is he just handing out this money when when Newsmax is calling you out and you're on the right? Wow, have you fucked up.
Um LJ member 8 months uh sorry 5 months.
Um is Elon a US citizen asking uh for tax reasons? Uh he is a US and Canadian citizen. Um I am curious. I I think he's also >> he's South African still too. But >> he is he is I just checked. He he is also still South African. So um he holds all three.
Um which is rare. The US doesn't usually let you do that. We're sort of very we're the best country in the world.
We're the greatest country in the world.
No dual allegiances. But but um you know he attended the Yeah. to attend the University of Pennsylvania. I don't know who comes to the US from Canada to attend the University of Pennsylvania, but that's what he did. All right. So, um let's see. We covered uh uh so we've we've covered I think most of the stuff about Alex. Like I said, the the Netanyahu stuff. I mean, I'm I think I mean, as much as I am sympathetic, very sympathetic to Alex's plight and what he's going through, um, it is a net positive in this world that Netanyahu goes away. And I don't think that even with Netanyahu here, uh, what Netanyahu wants the US to do to cuz Netanyahu can't do it himself. So, he's having the US do it for him. And that's why they had that very tense apparently 1-hour phone call where Trump's like, "No, I'm leaving. I want out." And um he's like, "No, you can't you can't leave." And so I I think that I my guess is um Israel is going to find a way to try to pull the US back in by hitting some something really serious. Um >> well, it's it's not like we are completely not shooting either.
>> Yeah.
We we struck some things on Keshum Island recently. Um, and the Iranians have shot at ships transiting the straight. So, it's >> land taps.
Love taps. They were love caps. rights.
I can't believe Trump literally Oh my god. Okay, never mind. He can't work because we're not at war. Um >> if we were at war, then the War Powers Act would apply and it doesn't obviously.
>> Yeah, I I'm It's It's >> because I declared a one-sided unilateral ceasefire for 5 seconds.
>> I know. I know. That was resets the clock. I I enjoyed that so much. It's just like that they're attacking the UAE and we're just like we didn't see nothing. We're like the high school principal is just like was somebody throwing No, I didn't see anyone throwing anything. I didn't just just everybody go on your way.
We're like the UN. Um stop. Um peace peace bombs. Um peace.
Uh, so the Nimitz is on its way to Cuba, which is actually probably a good thing because somebody needs to take over there. Uh, we screwed it up so badly.
They're dying. They're starving. Um, so if we can at least restore oil flow.
Maybe Russia was the good guy for crying out loud for a second by getting the ship over there. Um, so let's see. We we uh as much as I'm glad BB hopefully BB's out. Hopefully he doesn't get replaced with somebody more right-wing, which is which is a possibility, but looks Yeah.
>> Um, so I don't know. I think we've covered just about everything. We We got a question coming in for you, so let me read that. But as I do, was there anything else that you wanted to cover before we go?
>> Not really. Um, Titan asked interesting question. What would happen if Iran successfully attacked a US military ship? Euro moves.
Well, I think that would open the whole can of worms back up.
>> I I've said before this is a situation that can be massaged into a great false flag to get whatever he wants.
Well, I don't think he want I I think he does want genuinely want out of Iran, though.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Um, what was the um I had a thought, but >> my question you'd have to repeat.
>> Oh, um, uh, Nick, do we get another USS Liberty? I think is what he is what he asked. Unless I'm missing something.
USS Liberty was a ship in 1967 when the Arab-Israeli war broke out that was sitting off the coast of Sinai and the Israelis attacked it, killed I think like 30 US sailors and sank the ship basically.
And the more you look into the situation, the more it becomes very obvious it was deliberate.
>> So, >> and I don't mean they thought it may have been an Egyptian ship. No, the people that were attacking the ship kept reporting on the radio back to their headquarters. This is an American ship.
It's got a huge American flag flying.
It's got American symbols on the deck.
It's an American ship. Why are we attacking it? Shut up and follow your orders.
Oh, yeah. And there's never been an a real accounting from Israel of what happened. It's all been beautifully covered up.
In fact, I don't even think they officially apologized for the attack.
something along lines of, "Well, if you hadn't had your ship near our coastline, which really wasn't near their coastline, >> if you hadn't put your ship in front of our bullets, everything would have been okay."
Um, I think actually that now I realize that was I think the impetus of Titan's question which was uh what what if what if what if a U a US ship is sunk or badly damaged um and it looks like Iranians it's carrying an Iranian flag but um >> they're speaking Hebrew.
>> They're speaking Yeah, they they speak Hebrew. Hm, that's an interesting question.
>> Um, that would be ballsy, but having said that, um, it's it's not something that I would expect Netanyahu to attempt, but at the same time, it would not surprise me if he did attempt something like that.
>> Yeah. Well, >> he's kind of unprincipled bastard who's only interested in preserving his own political future >> and and he's got a genuine pro. I mean, I I think he's going to be able to see that's the other reason is he now has to start to try to make nice with Trump because I think he's going to seek asylum in the US. Um he's going to he's going to say he's being persecuted by his people for for crimes he didn't commit, you know, which of course is all the the corruption stuff. he comes over here, we we grant him asylum and and there you go. But if if for some reason that's not an option, he's again, so far he's been able to keep wars going and he's done stuff just that bad. So, yeah, I I yeah, I wouldn't put it past him, but I it I don't think it's his his ace go-to move cuz if he pisses off Trump too much, he's killed his only sec real secure exit strategy.
Um, so let me uh we did uh Did you see the um the uh um sketches for uh the the new Trump battleship that he designed?
Uh, I' I've seen actual sketches that look like they're, you know, somebody who has a passing familiarity with naval architecture, but I suspect you're talking about something more cartoonish.
Me, I'm I am a st my my I'm getting too predictable. Yes. I Well, I I I've heard that this is the the specific. So, this is the Trump class battleship, the USS Bone Spur, equipped with a merch deck, a donation hold, and remotely can be remotely operated from the Kremlin. Um, >> sounds good.
>> Sounds Yeah. Um, well, it's that's the White House as it is already. He's giving out merch there. Oh my god.
Signing stuff. Did you know that Biden used couldn't couldn't even make a signature? And that's the dementia.
That's the that I mean that's the he's gone from he they used the auto pen while he was asleep and when he didn't know it to he they were using the autopen cuz he no longer could sign and he actually thinks that's the that's the dementia. That's the way it it Yeah.
>> Yeah. Wow.
All right. Well, thank you very much. Uh it's been a delightful day. Now tomorrow um we are going to have Ember on. Uh it's going to be an earlier show, 6:00 p.m. Eastern. Uh and we are going to be talking about um trans genocide in the United States.
Uh what constitutes genocide, why uh we're using that word, and what's really going on and why. And um Ember and I have already talked briefly about it.
and Amber, she was able to um tie in uh uh white nationalism into it. And I think there are a lot of components to that I hadn't considered.
So, I am really looking forward to this conversation. And then uh we're going to have another show uh looks like next week just on Christian nationalism. Uh we will let you guys know. We've already had a show on on on it and Pastor Doug Wilson and why it's such a big problem.
It continues to be an extraordinary problem and uh uh one that Trump has been able to I mean there's a reason Trump's entire cabinet is essentially white nationalists. So um and there's a reason why they have to go after uh the trans community. So we're going to be discussing that tomorrow 600 p.m.
Eastern. So I hope you'll join us for that. Also, you can check out our Discord and if there are any uh programming updates or any changes, uh you can check it out there. I'm also on the Discord, so is Commander, so you can always uh say hi to him, ask him uh uh any questions, and um what we're going to do is send you guys off to Mark Reed, who is doing an interesting show right now. He is doing um uh the pseudo uh psychology of Scientology.
Uh, and Scientology is one of those I have always wanted to do. Uh, I have never, uh, oh, let me just quickly, um, I want to make sure that we're all going to the right place. I don't want to send you guys to an Only Fans page. Um, unless it's my my Only Fans page, but um, >> something to a flatearther society thing.
>> Yeah.
So, um, this was a little before your time. Um uh I will tell you uh let let me quickly make sure the rate is set up.
I will tell you this story and then um uh we'll go Landon Null who is still around and still does uh YouTubes um but he was one of the very very early guys at Google essentially a co-founder of Google. He um uh did uh a whole bunch of shows with us early on. He was uh one of our early supporters, really great guy.
And uh he did a whole series on civics, which you can still find in our archives, uh very old. Um he is still banned from YouTube, completely banned.
um because he argued with a flat-earther and during that argument on YouTube as a joke he said, "Oh, well, I guess Australia doesn't exist."
Somebody flagged that for racism, being anti- um Aussie and he got hit. Um he appealed and said this was obviously a joke. Um, I have like three PhDs. And I mean, the guy is genius level intellect. Uh, he's like, I got three PhDs. Do you think I don't know that the earth is round?
There Australia exists. I'm aware this wasn't racism. They refused the appeal.
Now, Landon being the kind of guy that he is will not make a a a sock account, will not make a second account. And the the owner of YouTube at the time found out about this already knew Landon. I was just like, "You're B. Why didn't you tell me?" Goes, "I didn't tell you because I'm an ordinary person to YouTube and I want to be treated like an ordinary person. So until you guys figure out how to unban people who you shouldn't have banned, I'm screwed. So when we did shows that that you know had violence and you had to have an account on YouTube, he couldn't he could participate but he couldn't watch which was so we'd have him on and would be covering riots this or that and he could participate because we brought him in through Zoom but he couldn't watch and he couldn't watch the live chat because he didn't have an account.
And and you you'd think it almost sounds like he's a diva. He's not. He's he really had principles about the thing.
And kudos cuz it c it caused him a lot of trouble not having an account and he always had to see the ads because he couldn't get the pay thing cuz he didn't have an account. He couldn't verify he was over 18. He couldn't do just like you co-founded Google.
Um so anyways, that's it. That's the story. So when you every time you you make that kind of joke, I always like, are we going to get kicked off of YouTube? I think they're over doing that kind of thing for for But I always get a little nervous when when somebody mentions flat earth because of that.
Anyways, we're going to be checking out uh Mark Reed who is um uh doing fundamentalist fails on Scientology.
Uh say hi to him. I will be joining you guys in about 10 or 15 minutes over there. I'm going to shoot for five. Uh, thank you guys so much. Thank you to everybody. Let me double check and make sure nobody snuck in a super chat or anything that I missed. Nope, I'm up to date. Thank you all for your support. We really appreciate. I did see a question about the Lego videos. I'm ambivalent about those at this point cuz I'm realizing they did have the intended psychological impact on me. Uh, I do think they're worth putting out and discussing. We are not going to put out any more on in time. We may put them out on Downtime, which is our sister channel. We had been planning on putting out a segment of them and maybe discussing them uh and having them all together in one place. If we do it, we'll do do that on downtime uh just to keep the cuz it's Iranian government stuff. So, um anyways, uh so I think that was Mitch. That hopefully answers your question. And uh we also do have them on the Discord, so uh if you're there, you should be able to find them.
Thank you all. Uh, thank you, Lance, and we will see you tomorrow night, 6:00 p.m. Eastern, uh, for Trans Genocide with Ember. Look forward to it. And, uh, have a good night all.
>> Take care.
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