Israel's Last Chance | Battle for America | All Roads Lead to Beijing

Added: 2026-05-23

[00:00:00]Okay. Good morning, Dad.

[00:00:01]>> Good morning, Charlie.

[00:00:03]>> Nice black shirt.

[00:00:05]>> You, too.

[00:00:06]>> Thank you. Um, okay. I I want to start the today's uh podcast with just kind of a sanity check. Um, okay. I just want to make sure that we're not insane. Are we crazy fringe people? Because I, you know, I'm I only talk to you about this stuff for the most part. You know, my wife doesn't want to hear it and then when I sometimes I have a couple friends that will will indulge me. Uh, but for the most part, I'm just like, you know, maybe are are we too doom and gloom or is this like It seems like every time we have a conversation, it ends up with like, well, then mushroom clouds or World War II or do I need to stock up on cans of beans and ammo? It's like this is am we're being are we being a little crazy? Are we being hyperbolic here?

[00:00:48]It's like what's what do you think? No, I think we're we're just we are uh first of all really paying attention and that's the problem with so many people again. You know, Americans in particular, they just generally don't pay attention to foreign policy. They don't pay attention to what's happening overseas. Um they, you know, they see the occasional headline and which is again, you know, filtered by through the mainstream media. Uh we're paying attention and I think we're again we're being realistic, you know. No, we're not. Uh we do talk about mushroom clouds and the possibility of World War II, but we don't say any of that's inevitable.

[00:01:26]I you know, I I think every time we talk about the chance that nuclear weapons are going to be used, I think I say that I don't think they will be.

[00:01:34]But there's a a non-negligible chance, you know, enough that we should because the um you know, the use of nuclear weapons would just be so earthshatteringly, you know, horrific that even if it is just 2% or something, that's something that we should be talking about a lot. And I think it's it's easily within that range, you know.

[00:01:54]I mean, it's just non non-negligible. It it could happen for the various reasons that we've given, you know, I think especially in the Middle East conflict.

[00:02:02]>> Yeah. I mean you say non-negligible maybe 2% what but when we have these conversations it always comes out down to like I ask you what the other path is and then we just never see it and I guess maybe that's just because it's impossible to see the future and there's always these offramps that we'll take but >> it just I think I was also made that point too is that said yeah that's one outcome that's real and you can see it you can visualize it so you know we name it and then we'll maybe name one or two other outcomes but there's always a kind of a very messy middle and things that just nobody ever thought of. Uh you know that's just the way history works. It just is, you know, the greatest events in history are not generally well, you know, maybe there was some sort of awareness that something was was developing, but in general, you know, there's surprises. It's just that it you know the u the world throws us a curveball and you know and so I think we have to be accept that uh we talk about the things that we you know the with our limited understanding of the situation and our our rationality we can just plot out possible courses and and we're doing that but there's always I think we always have to admit that there's that the world is so messy And um and people are creative. You know, you're talking about a in a war, it's you know, it's not like just one side attacks and the the other side just takes it. The other side's thinking about how do I respond to it? And they respond creatively and and um you know, it goes back and forth. And so there will be surprises. There will be surprises. Um and I think we've been quite open about that. I I would say the people I won't name any names, but somebody who tells you that it's definitely going to be this way, you know, and maps it all out and it's just like I've got it because I have the theory of such and such, which always works. That's that's kind of crazy, you know. I don't I won't say that those people are crazy, but that is um let's say just that's an approach that's not founded on reality, >> right? Well, you know, you mentioned, you know, this this war We are in a war at the early stages of war. I mean, there's obviously a hot war going on in places like Ukraine, Lebanon, and Iran might resume soon, but there's a wider war happening and maybe could help us to kind of delineate the lines. How do you draw the line? Where's the battle lines being drawn? I mean, often for me, I I try to find like who's who's the enemy?

[00:04:37]Um, and to me, it's starting to crystallize more and more that Israel is the number one enemy here for for America. I mean, I it's it hit home more after the defeat of Thomas Massie. It's like, whoa, whoa, these people all the way from Israel. He influenced my area, my you know, rural Kentucky. This is, you know, I we I grew up in rural East Tennessee, like 20 miles from the Kentucky border. Like, I know what these this area is like. I know what these people are like. And it's just insane.

[00:05:03]You know, this is a very poor area of the United States. And this idea that these billionaires, you know, this rich people from affluent Tel Aviv are influencing the, you know, the poor poor hillbillies here, you know, it's it it really angers me. Um, and so that that's how I feel. But I mean, what do you look as like drawing the lines in this so-called war that we're in?

[00:05:27]>> Um, yeah. Well, you know, it's it's first of all, it is you could say a war between uniolarity and multipolarity that we talk about it. But then there is also Zionism. Zionism is something separate. You know, it it is allied with uniolarity, you know, is essentially, you know, with the Americans and and um with Western Europe, you know, well, not just Western Europe, but you know, the the political class in Europe as well.

[00:05:52]Uh but especially with the Americans and especially reliant on them. Uh but it is its own thing.

[00:05:58]Um and and it's yeah in the case of like Thomas Massie and in general political influence well the two things come together you know it's just like the the the Israel firsters just want to reinfor reinforce um above all you know America's support for Israel but in kind of in a larger sense which is neoconservative and also has its links to Zionism very direct links to Zionism it just to um it wants the US to maintain an aggressive foreign policy because that's part of it, you know. It's just that and and Israel makes itself a partner to that aggressive foreign policy when it comes to the the Middle East.

[00:06:42]>> Yeah. Well, if we're in in this war, what would you say that you know, everyday American citizens, how should we be involved in this comp? How do just people in the world this is the I think the problem that so much of us many of us have is that we just feel like we are hless bystanders while the world is falling apart and there's no way to course correct and we're just watching our our governments and our leaders just make insane decisions and we just have to sit back and like that was rough maybe I'll just find another Netflix series to forget about it and then it you know >> yeah well yeah it seems like it sometimes it seems like it is hopeless but it isn't Again, there are encouraging trends that we've talked about. There has been a huge shift in public opinion, especially with respect, you know, to Israel, um, both in Europe and in the US. And, um, so, you know, whatever you do, it may be small, it's again, it's like chipping away at a foundation. You know, that political class is still there. They still are, um, just blindly devoted to Israel and to the cause of Zionism. that hasn't changed but because of the work of countless individuals um an increasing number of people are becoming aware of it you know they're doing something about it and every time somebody does something about it you chip away a little at that foundation and eventually I think that found it's just the building the building of of the you know special relationship between the US and the Zionists that that will collapse um just you know give you an example example, we've had these flotillas going in, you know, heading towards Gaza recently. And I think we mentioned in our la last episode how the um the members of the most recent flotillaa, you know, they were seized by the Israelis in international waters, which is again illegal, but you know, again, the Europeans don't do anything about it. And um but then they went a little bit too far. It was Ben Gavir that went too far, you know, that he he uh he you know, you had these these captives, right? They're on with their heads down, you know, their um their hands tied behind their backs and then and in fact, I think a woman is screaming in the background and he said, you know, just ignore the screams, you know, he's laughing and walking among, you know, he was just exalting in his kind of his power and Israeli power over these people. welcome to Israel, you know, dripping with sarcasm and uh that video got out and it a lot of people saw it and it upset a lot of people. Um again, you know, the political you even had people like Ivette Cooper of uh who was the the the foreign secretary in in the UK condemning this and saying this is terrible.

[00:09:33]That doesn't mean that the political class is changing. I I think you're just exposing their hypocrisy because of course they continue to support all the horrible things that Israel do does.

[00:09:42]It's just when there's bad press gets out there, they have to pretend that they care and that's what happens. But the thing is people are looking at they see that they know that you know these people I I think their effort on this flotilla was not um in vain. It just again it was another chip at the foundation. You know it's going to be another 1% you know shift away from support for Israel eventually. It just has to give. You just can't have, you know, just only a 10% support for Israel and then have these just these governments unconditionally supporting Israel. That just has to give. And I and that's the direction that we're moving in. So I think all of us as individuals, you know, can do do things. Um and it's, you know, similar again with the war in Russia. It's a it's a different dynamic, but I think we should be and and you see places like in like in Germany where um you know a party that is very much committed to restoring relation you know a normal relationship with Israel and ending for the war yeah I'm sorry for Russia thank you very much and you know ending um support for the war there in Ukraine is now the most popular party in Germany and I think it's you know it's in part you know because again it's just common sense, you know, we should have this relationship. This this war is a disaster. It's not good for Ukraine, however you look at it. Um, so there is a growing awareness on that side, too.

[00:11:06]>> So, you do believe that there is some real hope for political change, but can this change happen quickly enough, especially with regards to Israel, you know?

[00:11:13]>> Yeah.

[00:11:14]>> Well, that's a big question, and it may be partly that the is Israelis to some extent understand it and, you know, they're doing two things. They're obviously fighting it the best they can.

[00:11:25]And that's why we have the Thomas Massie, you know, episode that just recently occurred, you know, over $30 million apparently to defeat him in this very small, you know, rural district of of Kentucky. Why would they do that? Because they're worried about these things. They're worried about they're trying to silence these voices. It shows that voices like Thomas Massiey's matter. It it they they they saw him as a real threat and so they did whatever they could to take him out.

[00:11:53]Um yeah but they so there is this awareness of this problem and they're going after it. Um but I think at the same time some of them are thinking well like for especially in the case of Iran it's just like this is our one chance now. This is never going to happen again. You know this this war is unpopular in America. The establishment itself is seeing it as a disaster.

[00:12:17]um if if we end the war now, we'll you know our dream of destroying Iran will be over because we can't do this again.

[00:12:26]And I think that's true. I don't think America if let's say tomorrow Trump just pulls out there's just no way that he could really go back in or a future president could go back in because it was such a disaster. You know, it's just like there there were enough people that already understood it could be a disaster, you know, that it didn't happen with previous administrations. He got fooled, but I think even now he sees it. And if he just finally just gets out of it, I I don't think think he or any future president will go back in. And the Israelis know that. And because they know that, they're going to push even harder, you know, for war and for some sort of, you know, total victory. And that's why I do worry about the possible use of a nuclear weapon.

[00:13:07]Yeah, there was a it came out I think in Axio said that Netanyahu's hair was on fire with a call with Trump and then I think a lot of people saw this video clip as well where Trump was saying oh no he'll do what I tell him to do and most people are like ah it's the other way around which I believe that's the position you have and that's that's what the evidence points to. you know, there are the, you know, I know Brian Burletic's uh, you know, position with the, >> you know, just the continuity of agenda type of thing, but it seems clear to me that Israel is calling the shots, but now it sounds like Trump is really pushing back, right, >> a bit. We've seen this before and then it's just a big question occasionally Trump gets his way and I think we've seen it before but then um you know like the ceasefire that took place at the beginning of his his term um but it didn't last and and Netanyahu knew it wouldn't last. You know he gave that to Trump but he knew he could undo it and and I think that's you know that's the way it's been. Um, you know, Trump occasionally will get his way, but he just he lacks the discipline and the, you know, he's just not a and the I think really the team, you know, that's devoted to, you know, to carrying out a a an agenda separate from Israel's, you know, you need to have a disciplined team. You need to have a disciplined leader, a disciplined team, and he just doesn't have it. So occasionally, you know, just in a uh, you know, for his own for a PR reason or just to satisfy his own vanity, he'll make, you know, Netanyahu um, accept something, you know, that Netanyahu is resistant to, like a ceasefire has caused, but then Netanyahu and his people understand who they're dealing with. They know they can get him back in. And I I that's the pattern that I've seen, and that's the pattern that I think we'll we'll see repeated.

[00:14:52]>> Yeah. So you do feel but the the thing is I guess it's just like you said it's the Israel is operating under a very limited time constraint. I think they understand they see the writing on the wall what's happening politically in the United States and the world. They're just hated. They have control of this administration. They got to go all in now. And then I think that's just what makes this such a powder keg is that that's this is all that Netanyahu cares about. And I think all that the Israelis really care about. So you have this whole country that just understands that this is our one shot. I think they understand that, right? That that's the >> Yeah. Well, a lot of them clearly have that belief. Um, and I've seen the argument put out there, which I think makes some sense. It's just that the the Israelis see that they may lose the US and so therefore, you know, the defeat of Iran becomes all the more important to them.

[00:15:39]They they they want to become, you know, the unchallenged hegeimon of their region. And they can't quite do that now. you know they because mainly because of Iran you know again Iraq was defeated the people of Iraq you know again are very are not supporters of Israel but thanks to that war you know that country has been subjugated in fact I don't know if people know this but it's like the they have there's an arrangement there similar to the one u that exists for Venezuela now that is that all the oil money actually first goes into American banks before it's act dispersed to the Iranians They control, you know, the lifeblood of the Yeah, the the Iraqis, I'm sorry. So, um, the Americans control the lifeblood of the Iraqi economy. You know, the So, this is a country that's been subjugated. This is but Iran still stands and um and there's now a real danger that we can see actually developing right before our eyes that they will become the dominant um power in the region you know is as they continue to exert their control over the straight of Hormuz and they and you see increasing evidence that those countries there those little Persian Gulf monarchies are coming to accept this you know to say this is just becoming a permanent reality the longer goes on the more that they will accept it and the world will accept it and that is just again a disaster for for Israel you know if if we're losing America and then we have Iran is a it's not a you know and they're thinking it's a disaster they could actually change and you know go for peace and whatever but they're not obviously they've gone down this other road the the only solution is the military solution the only solution is to vanquish all your rivals right to destroy them you know just dismember them, you know, whatever it takes. And they'll see total failure. And that that's that's the thing, you know. So, I think it's clear they're going to double down and uh may double down all the way again. You know, I think we can't reject this possibility, you know, up to and including the use of nuclear weapons.

[00:17:48]>> Right. So, it sounds like we have a race now between Israel trying to drag the United States into a full-blown war while it still has the the controls of levers of power in the United States and then the other races is how quickly can we act enact some type of change here domestically, right? That's what we were talking about. There's hope for change.

[00:18:08]But this this process takes a while.

[00:18:10]>> Yeah, it does. It takes longer than you would think. There there's and you know already there is I I guess we have to be disappointed by what happened in Kentucky. Um you know the two main voices the two you know outspoken opponents of of the special relationship between US and Israel namely Marjorie Taylor Green and Thomas Massie are gone or at least Thomas Massie will you know will have to leave. Um and uh Trump has kind of reinforced his control over the Republican party, you know, in spite of the fact that that younger generation is clearly moving away, you know, from this way of thinking. The younger generation of Republicans, but they still have that control. You know, the the the Zionists and Trump himself still have this control over the Republican party. Now, um something very different is happening in the Democrats. you know there is like less than 10% of Democrats actually have a positive view of uh Israel and that is quite extraordinary.

[00:19:15]Um now they it has to be said that the Israel lobbyists had successes in Democratic primaries too but they went about it I think this is very important they went about in a very different way.

[00:19:27]They they they did it you know kind of in a stealth stealthy manner. They um they created these new packs that had innocuous sounding names, you know, like the the committee to better the lives of people or something, you know. I I just made that up, but it's that sort of thing. But it was all really about Israel. But they they didn't actually mention Israel in any of their attack ads or anything. They would just go after stuff that mattered to people in in those districts. And those those people just didn't know where this was coming from. But a huge amount of money was spent, not as much as in Kentucky, but large amounts, you know, what's way more than had been previously spent in those districts. And those critics of Israel were defeated. Uh so it just shows that they understand that they actually have to hide their hand when it comes to the Democratic party now. Um and and I think so it's going to be a much more difficult fight. Now, they didn't hide their hand because they still they understand they still have this base of support among older Republicans. So, they openly talked about Israel and and you know, Apac and the others just crowed about their victory in Kentucky. Yeah, this was a victory for Israel. uh they're they're going to do go about they've shown that they do go about it differently when it comes to the Democrats and we'll see if they you know if they have more successes or if there is a a real you know if there's a real change there obviously already has been it's become almost you know a necessity among democrats um to declare that I don't receive Apac money and that you know that really shows you something now I think you got to have activists saying you know pushing hard. Yeah. Okay, you don't, but are you going to keep on supporting Israel? Are you going to are you going to block, you know, future shipments of weapons to Israel? That kind of thing.

[00:21:15]Um, we'll see. You know, it's not going to happen overnight. It's not going to happen, you know, just in these primaries. But maybe, you know, if we see a significant number of victories of real, you know, true critics of Israel, that could be a, you know, that would be a sign that, okay, things really are changing. You know, the the foundation is starting to wobble.

[00:21:36]Yeah. Do you think that it was a a horrific mistake for Apac to post immediately afterward and crow about their victory? And also, did you see Harets the the day before the primary um Harets read that had the title uh the most consequential Republican primary for Israel is happening in Kentucky.

[00:21:56]>> Yeah. that a foreign country just just imagine if this was from a Russian newspaper and it said the most consequential race for Russia is happening in Kentucky. Everybody would lose their mind over that. Here in in English, Harets, you know, publishes this as their leading title and it's like, yeah. And you just I mean, if you're just a Kentucky somebody in Kentucky and you knew about this, be like, what? Why does this country thousands of thousands of miles away, >> you know, why is the most important race for them >> in my little rural area of Kentucky where like I'm struggling to just make enough money to to feed my family and everybody's coming here to my like is shouldn't that immediately raise alarm bells? I just >> Yeah, it certainly should. Um you know and one thing also should be pointed out about Thomas Massie is that he had just you know a principled um opposition to all foreign aid and you know not just for Israel but for Egypt and every other country. He said you know it should be spent at home and he wouldn't back down from that. So it wasn't like he just he particularly attacked Israel or but he actually just u you know applied this objective standard of fairness and said this is wrong and said I'm not he pointed out again he was the only member of the Republican party that didn't take any money from Apac. It was quite extraordinary. Um uh but that you know is he so he wasn't so much a fierce opponent of Israel but he refused to be in Israel's pocket. That's basically what it was. And that that was intolerable, right? So you did get uh so that's why it became um you know um I I think it's maybe a mistake. It was just about Israel. It's also about Trump's ego. You know, Trump was but but obviously a big part of it was Israel.

[00:23:47]When you look at the money that was pro-Israel money, you know, Miriam Adlesen, Paul Singer, it was pro-Israel money. And um so yeah, what was I I was just going to say something about that that um oh yeah also I wanted to mention you know you mentioned this this article that appeared in Haretss that the day after uh an opinion piece appeared in Harets that said this so-called victory you know for the for Israel uh looks like a disaster and that is that this actually it just exposed osed all the points that Thomas Massie, you know, was making he just they they actually kind of proved every point that he was making is what I'm saying >> is say yeah you know this is look at it you know I'm saying that they you know this foreign country is intervening he he had before this happened he actually I think proposed a um a resolution what was it to to end or to actually have APAC registered as you know a foreign an agent of a foreign country which it should have and you know decades ago it just and then and then they just made the point for him you know >> and a lot of people have seen it. So there is a real big silver lining you know to this cloud there this defeat was a very costly defeat and the Israelis themselves or some of them understand that.

[00:25:13]>> Yeah. Um, I I hope so, you know, because they they were just so open about it, you know, like said that horror rats article and also Apac, they've sent out a tweet right after, "Congrats to US Navy Seal Ed Galin for defeating anti-Israel incumbent Thomas Massie.

[00:25:29]We're proud to back candidates who support a strong USIsrael alliance and help defeat those undermine it. Being pro-Israel is good policy and good politics." It sounds like that's a message to all everybody that is in politics. say, "Don't you dare cross us."

[00:25:44]>> Yeah. You know, that's that's that's why they go, you know, it's true. It's not just about Thomas Massie. It's to let everybody know that don't think about being a Thomas Massie. This is what we're going to do to you.

[00:25:56]>> Yeah. Well, I think they have um they they have created a monster out of Thomas Massie. You know, I was in a good way for them. A monster for them. Like I I think um you know, I was I was a bit down about that whole race. Uh, and I was like, man, it just wasn't there's just no hope. They just have too much power. Even somebody here in, you know, in Kentucky, they can somebody that was so popular and so principled, they can push him out just because he stood up against Israel. But one thing is I I I'm I'm skeptical even about I want I want there to be an audit of that election, you know, all these mail-in ballots at the end, all these things. But um I saw I listened to uh the Tucker Carlson. and he had a good monologue about it and and I realized that yeah, you know, I need to I need to have some hope for the future and you know put putting hope in someone like Thomas Massie, you know, people that are standing up uh to Israel, I I think it's something we got to continue to do. I can't lose hope. Um I although I I I feel often that I do get hopeful and that you're always proved right when you're more cynical. This happened to me before. or I mean I I was excited about Ron Paul in college. Um, even Bernie Sanders, I was was, you know, I I didn't love so so all of his economic policies, but I was excited that this movement was moving forward. And then, uh, behind Trump as well, you know, when we be before he got elected, I was the one that was like, maybe he can do something. There's a possibility he can make a change. Maybe he can end the war in Ukraine. And you're like, no, I don't think so. And you're always right. You're always cynical. So, I'm just wondering like, >> right, >> I don't want to I am being hopeful here.

[00:27:31]I'm saying these long trend terms are are real and the the current grip on power by the Israel firsters and you know the globalists it it it has to give at some point. I mean I think it it really has to. It's just there's some point where you know you've chipped away at so much of the foundation there's just 10% left the whole thing has got to come down. I >> Yeah. I mean, if we have anything like a democracy, you know, you obviously we have our the democratic systems been greatly corrupted and we saw that happen in Kentucky, you know, corrupted by money. Um but I I think even with all the the undue influence that money has and you know the uh bias of the mainstream media media there's still in the end you know if if the whole population um continues to move in the direction that it is you know they they and it looks like it's just inevitable. You know again it's just it's the younger generations in particular that have just completely turned away from Israel.

[00:28:31]there's just nothing they can do about you know in the end you know they they're going to lose their grip >> right >> so that is that's a you know optimistic but it's it could be time you know I I don't know it's really hard to predict when you know when you're talking about markets or whatever you can say this is a bubble but the bubble might go on for another 10 years and or it might just be another year it's just really hard to know and it's the same thing with this maybe there will be a real remarkable shift um you know like in the 2028 elections I think it's probably going to another at least another four years, you know, after. So, you know, 2032 or something like that.

[00:29:08]>> Well, I mean, then we're not going to make it.

[00:29:10]>> Yeah. Well, I mean Well, that's that's a scary thing, you know. That's a scary thing. That's right. And I think again there is that there is an awareness among um these Israeli leaders that the clock is ticking and especially with regard to the Iran war, you know, because I think even under Trump, this is their one chance. Trump I think himself, you know, is not happy with the way things has turned out. You know, he always maintains a brave front, >> but I I think we have every reason to believe to that this is not the way this is. You know, this wasn't really Trump again. He was he thought he was going to do another Maduro. I think that's it.

[00:29:47]You know, that's the stuff that he likes this or or an operation midnight hammer or a combination of the two.

[00:29:55]Um, and it didn't turn out that way and he doesn't like that. I think that's how he's actually been consistent about that over the years. There a lot of things that he's inconsistent on, but he doesn't like these long involved wars.

[00:30:05]And he's got he's in one, you know, because of his own stupidity.

[00:30:09]>> Yeah. Well, I I I hope that it's not going to take, like you said, 2030 or something for any reasonable change to take place. Um, I I think there's we should be hoping and hopeful that, you know, a movement is starting here in the United States. Um, and movements can grow quickly and pick up speed and gain force in an >> Yeah, sometimes they take you by surprise. It's true. I mean, they can accelerate, >> right? And I I think just how open it's become now about Israeli involvement in US politics, it's just undeniable at this point. And it just it just needs to infuriate you as an American. Like this is crazy. You know, we have all this debt, all this pro all these problems.

[00:30:50]People are struggling here. And then you have just a foreign country openly being so directly involved in your local congressional primary. That's it's just it's insane. And then as the Iran war if it kicks off or even as things are right now, we're going to see energy prices and life get harder and harder. And people will want somebody to blame. And they know where the blame is. It's it's Israel. Everybody knows that this this war now was largely done because Israel wanted it. and Israel has some kind of control over the Trump administration to make it happen. And so I just think that, you know, a movement is building and it people are upset and we know where to lay the blame at. I mean, this is what I think Israel did so well before was that it was they they always everything was convoluted and obuscated and you couldn't really understand like why are these things happening? Why why did we go to Iraq, Afghanistan, there's terrorism? I I we got to keep the world safe. America number one done, you know, and then but that's not the case anymore. we're in something new, you know, and I I wanna I want to play uh a little a little video that I saw um that somebody put together right after Thomas Massiey's defeat. And uh there's it's it's clips from his his uh defeat speech, which I thought was not didn't sound like a defeat at all. It gave me hope. And then you see also what Algrine's party was like. It's it's pathetic. So, let me play this this video for some Good Friday vibes. and then uh we can talk about it. Let's see. How do I do it? Wait. Well, >> for 14 years, those sobs in Washington tried to buy my vote.

[00:32:30]>> They They couldn't buy it. They decided to buy the seat and it got really expensive for them. What was God's purpose? What is he showing us tonight?

[00:32:40]>> We're just getting started. I like that.

[00:32:48]I accidentally I meant didn't mean to do this. It started out as an election and it turned into a movement. I mean, we stirred up something. There is a yearning in this country for somebody who will vote for principles over party.

[00:33:02]When they saw the influencers here, they panicked. They sent the secretary of war here. And you stopped the war for a day.

[00:33:10]No more wars. No more wars. No more wars.

[00:33:16]>> They said you should eat bugs. Do you want to eat bugs?

[00:33:20]>> They said you'll own nothing and be happy about it. You want to do that?

[00:33:25]>> Well, guess what happened? We took out the CEO of the World Economic Forum with a two-page bill. Today is the six-month anniversary of the Epstein Files Transparency Act. We've taken out two dozen CEOs, an ambassador, a prince, a prime minister, a minister of culture.

[00:33:44]And that was just 6 months. I got 7 months left in Congress.

[00:33:51]They're talking about this big ballroom they're going to build. And it looks like the Roman Empire. I see a few analogies there. We weren't really running against Ed Galrine. We weren't running against Donald Trump. We were running for what we believe in. We got to take care of America first. You are patriots and you will inherit this country and you will make it better. And I am hopeful because of that. We need to bring this country together.

[00:34:25]>> What happens in 2028? Oh, you want me to run for Congress again?

[00:34:33]President.

[00:34:41]>> All right. Well, you made you made a compelling argument.

[00:34:46]>> I believe very sincerely that the CIA is correct when they teach and talk about blowback.

[00:34:56]>> Okay, let's see.

[00:35:02]Yeah.

[00:35:02]>> Yeah. Well, you're right. He was defiant and optimistic and uh that should be encouraging.

[00:35:09]>> Yeah. It gives gives me hope. You know, I just so for so long I just kind of feel like, you know, we're just so along for the ride and we're going to watch this disaster and I'm thinking like, well, maybe, you know, there is a chance. People are waking up. We can we can make some change. this is our country and it just feels I just feel like so many of us have just sort of accepted this type of servitude that just like it is what it is. You just got to keep your head low, make sure you you pay all your taxes and don't don't step out of line and you know then maybe things will get better down the road.

[00:35:40]But I think it's getting to this point now where people are just like this is getting out of control and if life gets really gets tough here, you know, Americans um you I mean already Americans it's crazy how about half Americans live paycheck to paycheck already. Um, and so it just if it does get more difficult, I think it's going to push people over the edge and we can be hopeful that maybe this will start something, it could be bad, though.

[00:36:03]That's the problem. You know, >> always a chance. That's right. We have to be honest.

[00:36:08]>> Yeah. But if if it's led by Thomas Massie, you know, I that would be good.

[00:36:12]He, you know, he's a rational person.

[00:36:14]He's not a hater or any of those things.

[00:36:16]you know, he's a he's somebody who clearly, you know, believes in in, you know, the common man and liberty and and all that. And uh so yeah, and there are other good people out there too on both sides of the aisle. I I think it must be emphasized, >> right? I just wonder, you know, is it I always just think could it be possible for someone like a Thomas Mass to become president? And if it if it is, it's just how radical the change could be. But I still I still adopt this position that even if no matter who becomes president that the problems of the United States are so entrenched that we're never going to settle the debt. You know, I don't know if we're going to unravel these things. You know, we we saw >> Right. That's part of the problem is like let's say somebody you do have a real, you know, reformer, somebody who's who has the right ideas, wants to change, and then that person becomes president. The problem is that the the problems are so severe that um well, you know, first of all, there could just be a collapse because of all the economic mismanagement of the previous decades.

[00:37:16]It just could come crashing down. That person gets blamed or if he's got to tackle it, whatever the, you know, the solution is going to be painful. That's just the way it is with entrenched economic problems. um you know so that that's you know it may be better for it to collapse for example on Trump's watch and then you go in I'm the one who brought you back you know >> right >> well I think there's a good chance that that's going to happen um you know I I think uh I mean do you believe that this that we are going to be looking at some type of economic collapse be triggered possibly by the Iran >> war yeah you know there's there obviously these weaknesses in the economy there are strengths too and that you know like AI is something that's kept economy. All that investment has kept the economy chugging along, you know, when probably otherwise we would be in a recession already. Uh but this energy shock is real and it's we're just beginning to feel it and energy shocks historically have um induced recessions and this is a huge energy shock. So it could be a very very severe recession especially given all the you know the the real weaknesses in the economy. And there's a difference, too, as we pointed out. In the past, we got bailed out by the world because we had free money essentially. People wanted our dollars and so we could spend our way out of it.

[00:38:31]This time, it's looking like that's not going to probably not going to work anymore. Those uh you know, those yields, the interest rates on the Treasury bonds are are stubbornly high.

[00:38:42]That means that okay, yeah, we're going to actually have to bear this expense oursel. We can't depend on, you know, the the world's faith in us as, you know, the holder of the the world's reserve currency, >> right? Okay. Well, maybe we can move into some uh larger geopolitical news.

[00:39:02]Um maybe we can start a bit just talking about uh the fact that everybody seems to be going to Beijing. We had Arachi go to Beijing. We had Trump go to Beijing.

[00:39:10]We had Putin go. Um it seems like all roads lead to Beijing now. Do you have any idea what is going on that everybody realizes that China is the largest player? So everybody's courting China and are they courting it to prepare for some type of impending massive paradigm shift that we know is sort of underway now? Is that that's what's happening on a sort of a macro scale?

[00:39:32]>> Yeah. Well, I think there's there well I mean the the simple answer is that China is obviously an extremely important country. it has, you know, in real terms, it's the world's largest economy.

[00:39:44]It's, you know, it's the world's factory. Um, and so it matters tremendously, you know, so you it makes sense to visit Beijing if you're a leader. But I think each of those leaders had a different reason. Iraqi, you know, obviously he's in a war. Uh, China's relationship with Iran is extremely important and I don't know exactly what they talked about. you know the the Chinese have denied providing any weapons to Iran. There was some sort of uh leak. It was like in the Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, something like that that said no no actually the the Chinese are doing this you know they are supplying uh weapons but through third countries and that may be true. Um but even if they're not supplying weapons, you know, just China's the the the maintenance of this economic relation relationship is obviously very important to Iran to Iran's survival. And so the fact and also you know a certain amount of diplomatic support which they continue to receive from China was obviously extremely important to Iran.

[00:40:47]So of course he was going to go there. I think that made perfect sense. Now, Trump is my understanding is that basically he invited himself and a and uh people theorize that he figured that he was going to he thought he was going to go there and you know as a um as a triumphant you know US president following the kidnapping of Maduro and then the um the overthrow of the Iranian government. You know he thought that that's what it was going to be and I I think that's probably right. you know, this is the sort of thing that Trump focuses on. You know, it's just like his own greatness and it didn't work out that way. Um, uh, so I think it turned into more of a well, okay, there's still he once it is about the pomp, you know, surrounded by billionaires, big banquetss, tours of Joan High, that kind of thing. Um but it's but also I'm sure that he was asking how pleading you know for help with um the situation in the Persian Gulf and it appears that he didn't get anything from the Chinese.

[00:41:50]You know we we haven't had any leaks to that effect. there's no signs of any sort of change as a consequence of his visit. And if anything, he just got an earful about Taiwan because if we saw any sort of difference in US policy, it was just like a kind of a a distancing from Taiwan. There was a little bit of that already under Trump.

[00:42:11]Actually, I think Trump was I would say in this case is a little bit more reasonable than for example, Biden was.

[00:42:18]Um, you know, the most striking contrast between the two is that under Biden, Biden four times said that the US would actually respond militarily, would, you know, fight for Taiwan if um the if mainland China should ever attack Taiwan. And that was um a real departure from the policy of strategic ambiguity which the US had maintained for decades prior to that. each time like I think the State Department will walk it back.

[00:42:48]Oh, I didn't really mean that. And so, but who knows what was going on again, you know, the guy's suffering from dementia, you know, whether it was intentional or not. Uh but then Trump um actually um reasserted this the policy of strategic ambiguity. He was asked about that and he says, "Well, I can't say I don't know, you know, whether we would respond militarily." That's what previous presidents had said. So, you know, this is one place where I have to say Trump was acting more sensibly. you know, just like I think he's probably overall been a little bit more sensible and restrained when it comes to Ukraine.

[00:43:22]A little bit, you know, not it's nothing really dramatic. Um, but in the case of China too, I mean, I think he shows shows a little bit more restraint than than the Biden administration did. Um, but that was it. You know, in the end, I think it was like you if we saw a change, it was a change in the favor of China. He heard I think stern words from uh Xi Jinping and um at least for a time you know we saw something similar like after Anchorage he started talking differently about the conflict and then like after the weeks went by it seemed like he had forgot what he had promised and we'll see what happens but um yeah he he got nothing out of it and then okay uh Putin came to to China to Beijing that was something that had been planned a while earlier um and I think that that was just you So they actually the two of them you know meet regularly and so this was just part of a continuing relationship a deepening relationship you know um so there was I heard what 42 agreements were signed there it's such a contrast there was a real you know the Trump's visit was has been described as inconsequential and I think that's correct um Putin's visit was very consequential it's because they had this relationship they've been working on it they did the groundwork for the meeting you the way you're supposed to and Trump did not do.

[00:44:42]And so this was something it was just it was part of this relationship that is deepening. You know, there's every sign that it's just there that the Chinese and the Russians are are growing closer to together and cooperating in more and more areas.

[00:44:56]>> Right. I think um you know China regarding Iran when Arachi went I think that was kind of solidifying uh telling China that like look we are here you know Iran is not going to fall because I I I from reading just some discussion forums in in China on Zohoo and things like this earlier in the days um there was some lot of skepticism within the the Chinese nizens that with these protests happening how real were they that this government might actually all.

[00:45:26]So they I think they the Chinese were kind of apprehensive and wanted to watch and wait and see like okay because like if if they try to sign some make some big deals or whatever show their support behind this government and then it just collapses on day two you got a mess on your hands right so they're like okay we I think they were a bit more hands off um but then when they saw what happened and to be honest you know hindsight's 2020 for us we were saying like oh yeah Iran's powerful they're ready for this but you just never know you know we saw what happened in Syria >> I know I had my worries too, you know, >> right? We had we saw what happened in Venezuela. Like there's definitely reason to be be worried. Like, you know, they pulled this off before, we see just governments just disintegrate and then a huge hole in the axis of resistance with Syria just disappears. Um, but what we saw was that Iran, not only were they able to stay intact, that they were able to respond forcefully and they exposed so many weaknesses of the United States, all these forward bases they had around them, they couldn't defend them. They weren't able to defend their own bases and the Gulf States, the infrastructure here. They had to begin to immediately start peeling away valuable assets that they positioned in East Asia like in South Korea like the that system which caused a political storm in Korea and and cost Korea millions billions in economic damage just by damaging that relationship with China by putting it there. They just pull it away and then they and it and it doesn't even seem to do any good. So it exposes all all these weaknesses. And then I think also the a thing that the Chinese have noticed is is and well and I think that they respect a lot is seeing Iran's willingness to sacrifice the amount that they are willing to you know their leadership gets killed their civilians get hurt get killed and they they see the unification and I think that has just been a testament to the Chinese people really to the whole world but speaking of Chinese to the the Chinese government the Chinese people that they recognize that Iran is here and they respect their their ability to survive and persevere and now they understand that Iran is going to be is not moving and we can we can work with them and so I think it's the opposite has happened what is done by attacking Iran it has actually solidified this relationship I think between uh China and Iran China now respects Iran understands that they're here for the long term that this is a civilizational state and they're not disappearing and so I think that was just a critical move and then the idea that Trump could come in he was in a weaker position Perhaps he could have got a little bit more prior to the launch of the war during this protest.

[00:47:50]That might have been where his hand was the strongest, but I think that's the situation right now with China and Iran.

[00:47:55]Um, yeah, the US I think the the China now recognizes the United States as uh just a declining empire. They're using that language. They just understand that yeah, this is a it's a dangerous dog, but it's a it's going down. It's it's it can still bite, but it's not it doesn't have the power or the influence and it's flailing. And then something I also was just thinking with the Putin she one is I wonder if Putin was trying to uh maybe not trying just perhaps informing and getting the okay like that we might be doing something might have to do something bigger in Europe if the if we see how the Europeans are talking and if they're using their airspace to and sending drones and hitting Moscow that like look at some point we might have to attack some uh you know drone manufacturing infrastructure in some other country and do this. And I think the right thing to do as a global power and your partner with somebody is to inform your allies and your your partners about this and get their okay and talk about it so they can prepare which is what America should have done well in any of its things. They didn't prepare the Gulf States at all. They didn't prepare anybody. We just launched this attack and then everybody's scrambling to pick up the pieces. So I think it might have been potentially a courtesy call to say that there could be potentially some escalation in the Ukraine Russia war. What do you think about that?

[00:49:11]>> Well, that's possible.

[00:49:13]I recall that um prior to the launch of the SMO, I think it was just a few days before U. Putin made a visit to Beijing and so it was universally assumed that he actually told um uh Xiinping, you know, what was going to happen and before it happened. Uh yeah, it seems clear to me the Russians are, you know, take their relationships with their uh their various partners very very seriously um and do keep them informed and do actually also you know consider their views take their views into consideration. I think that explains you know a lot of the Russian policy and why it's been go slow and and so on and so forth. Now there is a chance, you know, there has been a kind of a an intensification of um hardline rhetoric coming out of Russia. So maybe there is something in the works. We just don't know. or maybe what they did, you know, maybe again this is not confirmed, but it I think there's reason pretty good reason to believe that they caused, you know, they took control of that drone over Latafia and crashed it into, you know, some kind of uh oil facility.

[00:50:26]Um, and that seems to have been effective for the time being. Again, we we we see a real um change and it not not in rhetoric. Somehow it's all the Russians fault, but if you actually look what they're doing, you know, they're telling the Ukrainians, "Please no more." Shooting down their drones, you know, this kind of thing. Um, yeah. No, it's I I think yeah, there they could be in the works. I don't know. We also had that statement by the um SVR just a few days ago that that said that claimed that the Latians had actually provided these bases for direct attacks on Russia by Ukrainian drones. and they said that we know where the bases are and we will respond. I mean that was a very direct threat. Um >> when they say we'll respond, do you think they mean respond on those bases or they just hit >> Yeah, that's that's a chance. You know, I would I would think that the Russians would be very reluctant to do that because it is very risky. there is a chance, you know, again, I think article 5 would be invoked and it doesn't mean that that the the other NATO members will necessarily go to war with Russia, but there's a risk of that and they don't want that to happen, you know. So, um I think they'd like to keep it, you know, sort of covert, you know, if they can if in fact they do have this electronic warfare capability, that's that's they would or or you know, maybe even other sort of covert actions against those bases. Why doesn't Russ Why don't they just issue an ultimatum to these these countries and say, "Look, we know that there are drones being flown out here if they're able to provide the evidence and just say, look, look, if it happens again, then we will strike the base where it comes from."

[00:52:07]And they make it very clear so that every European citizen, everybody knows what's happening. Like, okay, drones are being fired from Lafia or wherever. Um, and here's the evidence to prove Russia rides the coronet says, "Look, >> we know what you're doing. Stop it. If you don't if you don't stop it, then you're gonna get an arrestic at this, >> right? You're a part party party to this conflict and and they are, you know, and just letting the Ukrainians use the airspace makes them parties to the conflict and and the Russians do have a right to strike back, you know.

[00:52:38]Unfortunately, just because of the the mentality of the European leaders and the and the um the extreme bias of the extreme of the European media, uh I think very few Europeans would understand it that way. it would just be some reckless new aggression by by Russia. That's how it would be reported.

[00:52:56]And the Russians probably know that, you know, so they got to take that into consideration. Yeah. I don't know that they have anything planned, but they um I I I think again they would be very reluctant to strike directly, you know, into the Baltics. It seems like what they did and I which I believe was to use electronic warfare has been effective so far. we have seen a real change in behavior on the part of those states. Um but yeah, we'll see.

[00:53:26]>> Yeah. Yeah, I mean I just wonder if you I mean if you did it like this where you issue an ultimatum say don't do this or this happens and they do it then I think it makes it more difficult to enact article 5 and then I think it's the the I'm thinking countries like Iran or or China and Russia they might understand that even expanding the war hurts the the western powers more because that's where you're going to get sort of a political revolt political change in these countries like the you know it's it's it's a shame you I mean it's It's like Ukraine all they're they're all dying there. They're they're getting that country is getting destroyed.

[00:54:03]Iran's getting bombed infrastructure. We see what's happening in Gaza, West Bank, Lebanon. And we here in the west, we don't really we're not even though it's our countries that are inflicting this damage. We don't get affected, you know, we just sit back here. And I think if the war expands, then they are getting affected. Then I think people will finally get out of their seats like this is ridiculous. This war is stupid. Why are we doing this? this needs to end.

[00:54:26]And I think, you know, so I'm thinking that perhaps an expansion of a war is in the interest of all these countries. And I'm also wondering, you know, with Iran, they didn't hold back hitting the Gulf States and the bases in the United States.

[00:54:38]>> Do they have the range to hit US bases that are all the way in, for example, in Greece or or or in Cyprus, you know, right over there, you know, do they have that ability? Would they do that? Or or can they maybe get to Diego Garcia?

[00:54:50]Could we see an expansion of the war?

[00:54:52]Um, >> I I don't know that they have that ability. I don't think they do. or, you know, or maybe um that maybe on their longest range missiles they just barely would. But I mean, the chance of a a miss would be pretty high. I I'm not expecting that. But yeah, you know, the the the two wars are similar in some ways and like the role of the Baltic states is kind of similar to the role that's being played by um the Persian Gulf states. I think there's no question about it. uh the Persian Gulf uh monarchies made themselves parties to the conflict by letting the US use their airspace and you know launch strikes from the bases there on their territory.

[00:55:33]Uh there's just it and and we see something similar. You know again the scale of the attacks is much first of all smaller when it comes to the Baltic states. Um the drone strikes is not to say that it's nothing. It is an attack, you know, did do some serious damage apparently to some like an oil refinery outside of St. Petersburg, but the scale is is smaller. And then the the war the the Russians are in a different position. I mean, the Iranians really have their backs against the wall. They are truly fighting for their survival right now. And so, they have to take these these extreme measures. I think that they just didn't have a choice but to do what they did to seize control of the straight of war moves and to attack the Persian Gulf monarchies.

[00:56:18]Um Russia's not in the same position.

[00:56:20]You know, it has kind of control over the con conflict. It's costly for them, but they have control. They're winning.

[00:56:27]They're winning slowly, but they're winning. And um and I I think that they, you know, they would be very reluctant.

[00:56:35]Also, you know, these small states are part of a much larger military alliance.

[00:56:40]I just I mean what is NATO even so you know one thing you say that yeah maybe that that alliance would just fall apart you know when it there there's a chance I I I agree but there's you just never know you know it would be a real roll of the dice uh you know mass psychology is is something that's very hard to predict right now you have a real a apathy you know I think in general there's you know the support for the Ukraine war is not there um you again we had that poll with the Germans who said we you even if Germany itself was invaded they wouldn't fight but that's you know that's um that could change you know the thing is like if there is a real attack and you'll see it'll be played up and it'll be spun in a certain way and it could really create terror and you might actually get a number of Europeans committed to fighting Russia you know that's there's a risk of that that's the thing is you just never know you might it's like lighting a fire and hoping that it just burns you know within the at the intended target, but it could just spread and spread throughout NATO. So, I just knowing Putin, I think that he's he's not going to do that. But maybe there's something else that he has planned, you know, maybe a march on Kiev or something, you know, because we do talk about they do have these reserves.

[00:57:54]They have greatly weakened the Ukrainians. Uh they have a lot of very welle equipped um divisions um that are being held back and they could move them in. you know, it'd be costly, but maybe that's they've decided the time has come to do that. That's I think that's more likely.

[00:58:11]>> Yeah. Well, I think feel like if he specifically told the country like please, you know, don't shoot from your don't fire any drones from your airspace or we'll do it and everybody knows it, then they won't have this, you know, oh, this would they right. I think they would have to say it like a hundred times.

[00:58:26]>> Yeah.

[00:58:27]>> Because, you know, the way there's just this refusal to pay attention to the Russians. They'd have to scream at the top of their lungs again and again and again and it still might not work. They still would manage to spin it some other way. I mean, it's just amazing the bias in the coverage. And I give you an example. I think this uh morning we learned that there was a an intentional strike. There's no doubt about it on a school in Lugansk that we know has killed four children already. It says secondary school. It's called a college, but I think it's like what we would in the US call high school, a high school of some kind, maybe a private high school.

[00:59:00]um 39 injured. You look at the whole building is destroyed and they're afraid there are a lot more people under that students under that rubble. It the the um the death count could go way up and we it's intentional. There were four drones that struck it. You know, one drone maybe that just veered off course.

[00:59:17]It was a mistake, but one after another, they knew what they're doing. Complete silence, you know, from the Europeans.

[00:59:25]And the thing is this, this is not the first time this has happened. This has been going on for not 4 years but 12 years. It's just that the Ukrainians have been intentionally targeting civilians, killing civilians. You know, it's something that happens regularly.

[00:59:40]You know, it's usually not on this scale. This is that's the only thing that's unusual about it. But like every day, every other day, you know, somebody like just in a in a civilian car or um you know, even an ambulance, even school buses get struck by FPV drones. They know what they're looking at and they strike them. And it happens again and again and you just never hear anything from the Europeans. And I um you know again it's just like they they invert reality. I you know again I you know I think a reasonable well-informed person can can be opposed to this war. I think that the Russians should not have launched the SMO. I think that's that's a reasonable position. You know something that reasonable people can disagree about. But there I think it has to be admitted that the conduct of the war on the two sides has been just drastically different. You know, especially when it comes to the air war.

[01:00:31]The the Russians, you know, again, the scale of their attacks is so much higher, so much larger than the than um the scale of the, you know, the Ukrainian drone attacks on Russia. Um, but the casualty counts. It's it's clear that the Russians are going out of their way, you know, to avoid civilians. And to give you an example of this, it was just uh what nearly two weeks ago that they launched the biggest one ever, which was over 1,500 drones and missiles.

[01:01:01]The Ukrainians reported one fatality.

[01:01:04]one fatality, which is a tragedy, but it just shows that there's just no way that could happen if you weren't going out of your way to try to avoid civilian casualties with that with that many drones and missiles. And then on the Ukrainian side though, we see clearly what are intentional attacks again and again and again. Um but you would just you know if you're listening to western media you would just hear nothing but yeah you know reports of Russian barbarities and um you know it's just every it's the reality is inverted. I mean just to extraordinary degree and I think it's something that people have trouble really accepting. You think well you know maybe they're exaggerating whatever but the reality is really inverted. No, I've heard like the New York Times describe these air attacks by the Russians as horrific. And I say, you know, it's just like you would never use that to describe the New York Times would never use that to describe anything that the Israelis do, which truly are horrific. And um you know again yeah you know air attacks are scary and whatever but it's just it's so clear that the again the Russians are not have it's I mean the the civilian casualty counts you know uh casualties from these attacks are incredibly low.

[01:02:19]We're talking about thousands and thousands and tens of thousands you know of drones and missiles over the course of this. and the the number of civilians that have actually been killed are just just really minimal, which is again not to say that that isn't terrible and you can be angry about it and all that, but it's just it's clear that like in the annals of modern warfare, I don't know if a country has ever been this careful as the Russians have been.

[01:02:42]>> Yeah, that uh that's going to trigger some people just hearing that, you know, they just can't believe it.

[01:02:47]>> But I think I think it has to be said because it's just true. And you know again you you because people just don't get these reports but these things happen you know almost every day. I used to you know you can find them you know these videos or these reports that they just come out you know day after. It's a it's a it's a just a daily occurrence you know in um the Donbas but also in the the bordering regions like Belgar and um Kursk and these things just happen all the time. you know, the people in these villages have lived it and they've lived with it like in the case of the Dawnboss, you know, for 12 years.

[01:03:27]We're talking about, you know, thousands and thousands of deaths of civilians.

[01:03:32]Yeah. Yeah. Say, but the the media, that's true. Just the people just h have this association just with Russia being barbaric um and the plucky, brave Ukrainians. Um and so it's just really hard to invert that. And something always gets brought up every single time, you know, we mention these things.

[01:03:48]People always like talk about the Buouah massacre. Um I is that do we know exactly what happened there? Is that brought up?

[01:03:57]>> We don't know what exactly what happened, but there is a there is a a good amount of evidence that first of all that many of these um the deaths were actually carried out by the ultraists. They were killing people that cooperated with the Russian occupiers.

[01:04:14]And um there there are big holes in the story, you know, that it's announced that, you know, the Russians went in there and they killed all these people um and and then later we saw pictures of people lying in the dead in the streets, but this was days later. The thing is that if you actually look at the timeline after the Russians withdrew and again they withdrew because they thought that they were going to get the Minsk, you know, rather the the uh Istanbul agreement finalized. That was the hope.

[01:04:42]That was the the the the gesture, the goodwill gesture that the Russians did because they want they were um they had already had the agreement initial and then they got encouragement like from Mcronone, you know, yeah, do something to show that you're really serious. They withdrew and BHA was one of the places they withdrew from. Um anyway, after they withdrew, the mayor announced that, oh, the Russians are out of here and no mention of any massacre or anything.

[01:05:07]That came out with days later and you see these pictures of bodies in the street and say, well, wait a second. you know, these bodies have been lying in the street for 5 days. You know, it just there there are big holes in it. Now, I think there's some possibility that the Russians that there were Russian soldiers that killed some civilians that were, you know, had taken up arms against them and and and that's really what it grew out of. But then we have um strong evidence that that it was the ultra nationalists that moved in. you know, not only the fact that these people, they were people that were killed after the Russians left, but we had statements, threats from the ultra nationalist saying, "We're coming to get you guys who you collaborators."

[01:05:47]Um, so that's, you know, you really, you get one side of a story, you know, it's just been painted as this this Russian atrocity, you know, but do some digging, you know, it's just like the same thing with Scripple um, poisonings, you know, actually go to Craig Murray or somebody else who did a lot of research and you'll just see the whole thing starts to fall apart. You know, maybe there's a grain of truth to it. Again, I think maybe there were some civilians that were killed, but you know, civilians that had taken up arms against the Russians and um but but the overall the story just does not hold together. It just doesn't >> Well, can't couldn't it be just be easy just to see who these people were that were killed and were they pro-Russian or were they pro- Ukraine? You know, like that should be a piece of cake, >> right? Well, you know, again, that that information may be out there or it may be suppressed. you know, there's obviously an effort to to maintain a certain story. You know, also in a larger sense, okay, I'm sure there's no question it happens in every single war that war crimes are committed. There are bad people, you know, that are in uniform or people that are maybe not so particularly bad, but this break, you know, kind of under the stress of war and seeing their comrades killed and they do things. It does happen. It's happened in every war on both sides in every war. And it, you know, certainly happened in World War II. American soldiers committed atrocities and, you know, it wasn't just German soldiers, but the Allied soldiers did, too. It just happens in war. Um, now I I find it just very unlikely that it happened. I mean, I think like in the West, you almost have this idea that Russians are just full of hatred for Ukrainians, and it just doesn't exist. It really doesn't. It's just not there. They they they look at them as brothers and they're very similar. you know, probably these people in BHA were almost all Russian speaking. Um, they don't see him as some, you know, as as subhuman foreigners. You only get that kind of language again from the ultra nationalist, not the majority of Ukrainians, but the ultra nationalists who have grown in influence who do talk about Russians as subhumans and are clearly deliberately killing Russians, you know, day after day, week after week.

[01:07:58]It's messy war. the the information war is such a tough war to um to engage in, you know, because we're we're up against a lot with the mainstream media, you know, it's really >> the Yeah. Some breakthroughs like for example on, you know, when it comes to Palestine, it's just I think it's the horror there are so great that it just couldn't and we have social media and then so you you know, we do see some breakthroughs. It's it's it's harder in the case of Russia. I mean, you just have to go, you know, and go look at at at other sources and spend some time and consider it. The thing is like it's the the propaganda has been so extensive.

[01:08:37]It's gone on for so long, you know, for the years preceding it that people just get this feeling. They just know that the Russians are really bad. And cuz I I noticed like I'll read articles in the New York Times about Russia. Well, first of all, you notice that they'll they work really hard to find some sort of dark corner in Russian society and you can find them. And and I think overall like those dark corners are getting smaller and smaller, you know, ever since the 1990s, but they do exist and you you know, you highlight them, you maybe exaggerate them. But then even, you know, when you're talking about just normal Russian activity, somehow there's always given a spin that somehow this is sinister and you just say, well, wait a second, why is this sinister? You know, this is just normal activities. But it's like they always play the scary m music for it. And I think it just affects people. They just get the sense, oh, those sinister, terrible Russians.

[01:09:24]they're not really. You have to stop and really be disciplined and say, "Wait a second. This doesn't quite make sense. I need to look at some alternative sources." And they're out there. You know, if you you you'll find them. You know, there's um and then you have to spend some time with them. I think it's just like that that that notion of the terrible evil Russians is just so deeply ingrained that it's it it takes a real like sort of like um what do you call that? sort of like uh like for somebody who's been brainwashed in the cult, you know, to to decompress, >> deprogram them.

[01:09:57]>> Deprogram them, right? It's almost like that because it just like as you ingest it over all that time that you just start to you think you know things that you don't think, oh, the Russians definitely poison script all Yeah, they assassinated the you know, etc., etc., etc. And you think you know it as a fact and well, maybe you don't know it as a fact. You know, that's just part of this effort to demonize the Russians. you know, it's gone on for a long time now.

[01:10:21]You know, you can I think you can make the mistake of idealizing. They're always again, there are some dark corners in Russian society, but again, I see them getting smaller and smaller.

[01:10:30]Like guys, I think one thing I know, a phenomena that really did bother me was um the Vagner group under um Pregosian >> and that, you know, there were some things there that really were kind of ugly and scary. Um, I know he's made out to be a hero by some people. Um, but I I didn't see it and I I found that whole phenomena rather disturbing, but that's gone. There are still some what you would call like sort of ultra nationalist units on the Russian side, but they're tiny compared to what you find on the Ukrainian side. And they are also just like constantly under pressure and their their role is being reduced.

[01:11:09]It was like the Russians sort of use them. you say, "Okay, we have these crazies. We'll put them here." And but they work to control them and and actually reduce the scope of their influence. Um and that's what you see happening. And the opposite thing is happening in you know in Ukraine where these ultraists including you know Russian refugees the the real you know people that u describe themselves as Nazis and you know uh celebrate like the mosque shooter um to you know that's one of their great heroes you know those people have gone to Ukraine where they are welcomed and not just you know just put in a small unit but you know become uh increasingly a part of the power structure. there's just the the difference between the two is night and day if you really spend time to look at it.

[01:11:58]>> Yeah, we we've really been conditioned.

[01:12:00]Um but I think a lot of people like you said are being deprogrammed are waking up. I mean, I was just thinking about, you know, that um Har's headline that said the most consequential Republican primary for Israel is happening in Kentucky, you know, and it's really newspaper saying that and I and just thinking that so for so many people that read it, it doesn't really trigger so much of a response immediately, but then when you stop and think about like this is insane, like how would you react if you read it if it said the most consequ consequential Republican primary for Russia is happening in Kentucky? That would raise alarm bells immediately. you would just start to be like, "Oh my god, this is nuts." And but I think people are finally waking up and we should just start to question everything, you know, everything we've been told. We've been we've been conditioned. We're we're sheeple. That's the way they look at us.

[01:12:46]We're just sheep. And they just they're having fun. Let's feed you some more stupid stories, stupid narratives, and then you guys fight amongst yourselves, and we'll lord over. I just don't >> I just don't I I don't know if we want to get into We've already gone over an hour. Okay. I'm going to I'll save this for for Monday. I have just some questions about the elite and then I want you to shed some light on their their insane psychology. Like what is going on? Why do they do the things they do?

[01:13:13]>> Um okay, but let's end it there. Okay.

[01:13:15]>> Sound good? All right. Have a good rest of your day and a great weekend.

[01:13:18]>> Okay. You too.

[01:13:19]>> All right. Bye-bye.

[01:13:20]>> Bye.