This video presents the argument that Jesus Christ's teachings and example support voting for progressive policies, particularly in healthcare, education, and social welfare. The host argues that Jesus freely healed people without conditions, fed the hungry, and showed unconditional love to all people regardless of their background, which aligns with progressive values of universal healthcare, equal access to resources, and care for the vulnerable. The discussion emphasizes that Christians should evaluate political candidates based on whether their policies align with Jesus's example of compassion, inclusion, and service to all people, rather than simply following religious or political traditions.
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Let's get it uh let's get it on and popping. Good morning, Lisa.
Good morning. Good morning.
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It's good to see everybody this Wednesday morning. What's up, Alen? Good to see you. Hey, Angie M. Good to see you as well. What's up, Doug? Hello, MG Brock. It just went very fast. Hi, David. What's up, purple lady? Um, folks, if you are joining me anywhere other than Tik Tok, please make sure that you say hello so that I can greet you as well. Uh, good morning, Liv. Um, I do not get to see the chat from Substack, so just know that I appreciate you being here. Love you, Mean It. And wish I could talk to you. Good morning, Alician. Uh, coolest mom ever. Veronica, uh, good morning, Sharon. Good morning, Stephanie.
How y'all doing? What's up, Ray of Hope?
Veronica, good to see you as well. Uh, y'all doing all right?
That's a that's like a I don't even know why I asked that question. Like is that a real question these days? I don't really know. Maybe it's a real question.
Maybe it's not. Um I hope that you are doing as well as you can. What's up Indomoon? Good morning Jennifer. How is everyone?
Good morning the social psych mafioso mama. Good morning Sue. Hope everybody is well.
You guys doing well today? Um, so I'm uh I'm I'm excited to get into today's um Yeah, I know. David, I started to send you all a um I started to send you all a a message in the in the Discord and say, "Sorry for the graphic. Be prepared, mods."
Uh good morning. Good morning. Really happy to see folks getting in here. Um, good morning New Mama Farah. Good to see you if I didn't say hello already. Um, oh, thanks Purple Lady. I appreciate that. Good morning, Cooper. What's up, mama? Mima. Uh, yeah, Amy, 100%.
Yes, I know. Um, but I am I am I really do want to talk about this topic as well as like the regular news and all of the things that are happening. um because I want to have conversations that I think are going to be um prudent and conversations that maybe can create some understanding and um and some, you know, some good discussion and those types of things, right? I just don't want to go live every day and talk about the latest thing that's been said, right? Uh good morning, Redot. Uh good morning, uh Jen the vet.
Did I miss I missed people, didn't I? I did. Just know that if I missed you, I see you. Hello. Appreciate you. What's up, Jamie? Hey, Michael. What's up, Ginaya? How you feeling, sis? Um, yeah, there's that there is a significant drought. Um, there are many, many places. Good morning, Michelle, Carmen. There are many places uh across the country that have like bans uh on uh on burns and things like that.
So, yeah, that's a it's a lot, you know, um and that's okay, you know, we're going to just kind of get on in and uh and go with it. So, um for those of you all that might be wondering why this is um a topic um for me at this moment, and it's because we have primaries happening all across the country. We have primaries that are happening and um and there are some really great um progressives that are um that are running. Um some of them are winning, which we love to see. And I am of the opinion um that Jesus would want you to vote for progressives. Um, and I think that that's uh worth having a conversation about because there are a lot of people um that are conservative that um support Republicans, support the MAGA movement, who um who, you know, profess to be Christians. Good morning, Hark. Uh good morning, Polly Prussy Pans. And um and I firmly believe that uh that Jesus would want you to vote for progressives. And I am hoping that there will be people that will want to engage with me in this conversation um so that we can talk about it. And I want to talk about it from a policy perspective. I want to talk about it from a people perspective. Um and how that correlates to the future of not just this country but of but around the world. Um yeah. So with B limbo when you say hello when you say Jesus will want people to unite um what do you base that on?
What do you base that on?
Yeah, Raja, I just picked up my phone and it brought me in. And so that's what happened. So, but I'm I'm asking you be be limber, what do you base that on when you say Jesus would want people to unite based on what?
Morning, Deb.
Can you can you point to a particular scripture or a particular teaching by Jesus that says that? Yeah. Well, when you talk about So, here's the thing.
When you talk about, you know, based on life, whose life? Good morning, Ala Shack. Shack.
Good morning, Alice.
And to the person who said it's shameful that people would try to use the religion to get people to vote a certain way, Republicans have been doing that for the last half a century. So you can miss me with the with the fake outrage.
Good morning TLC.
Like yeah, good morning uh funny face.
How are you? Yeah. Well, don't stop telling the truth. Come on and come come talk to me. Good morning, Jackie. How you doing, Miss Jackie? Um, yeah, like you know, come talk to me about it if that's what you think. You know, I'm I'm ready to have that conversation, you know. Exactly. Invisible string 100%. I listened to that like twice today.
And they did do it from the pull pit.
100%. Right. 100%. Good morning, Till Dawn. So, um, so yeah. So the goal, the reason why um I I want to have this conversation is that I think that for a long time now, you know, there has been this use of Good morning Elise. There's been this use of religion in politics um on the basis of oh conservatives and Christian goes hand in hand and conservative and Christian equals Republican or equals MAGA. And I I do not believe that the Good Morning Sparkle. I do not believe that the fruit um that comes from the Republican party and the fruit that comes from this administration and the fruit that comes from the MAGA movement is representative of what Jesus Christ would have us look like and how Jesus Christ would have us behave. Um and so I think that that um what's up island boy pundit? And so I think that that's worth a conversation for people that are going to vote in the primaries right now, for people that are planning to vote uh in the general election. Then, you know, let's have that conversation. Especially if you um if you believe yourself to be Christian.
Well, be limble. Join the panel. You know, you're chatting a lot in the comments, but you're not coming up to actually have the conversation.
Um good morning, Brad. Good morning, Mr. Short. How are you? Good to see you.
Good morning, Tara Love.
Good morning. Um yeah. So again, right like this is not this is not difficult. I don't think and I think that um I know Yeah. We talked about Dcoin winning last night.
Yeah. Yeah, we did. We talked about Dcoin winning. You don't have time for this nonsense and yet here you are. And here you are.
It always tickles me when people go, "I don't have time to talk to you." And yet here you are.
Good morning, Jeff Kennedy.
And yet, here you are.
So, it's just, you know, it's interesting when people when people, you know, feel, you know, behave that way. Um, it's it's just always, you know, kind of funny to me. So, like I'm I'm really game for this. Like I am game for this conversation. I really and truly am. And by the way, I want to do something today that I often forget to do. And so I'm going to ask um some of like one of my um one of my mods or one of uh one of the Danakans to do me a favor. I am um a thanks user 1449. I'm going to put the link for people to be able to join the panel on YouTube and uh Twitch and Facebook. And what I would love for uh someone to do, it's in the sub Discord.
If somebody could drop that over in the chat on YouTube and Substack, I mean on Facebook and Substack, that would be amazing. Um, hold on. Click this link to join the panel.
All right. So, I'm going to throw this in here. And um and so what this is going to do is it is going to make it available for not just folks over here on TikTok to join a panel and have a discussion with me, but also folks over here um to join a panel and have a discussion. And so I am hoping to um I'm hoping to cultivate a really robust discussion and conversation uh this morning. And um and so good morning Ro. Good to see you.
Um, yeah. Good morning, Jaw. How you doing, friend? Um, I need to make sure that I have this set today because yesterday, y'all know I shut everything down yesterday and so nobody could even join yesterday. So, I want to make sure that uh that I have it set so obviously people can join and because I see people requesting and how's that? Uh, thank you, Sandy. Good morning, Sandra. Um, so Sandra is saying over here on Facebook, she says, um, "When they say Trump was sent by God, I say you all right. So was Judas. God used Judas to fulfill his destiny for his son, Jesus Christ." Um, I hear you. Um, I I think that I think that if you are a Christian, then you believe God sent us all and that we all have a purpose, right? And I don't know that we have to I don't know that we have to Hey, good morning. I don't know that we have to say whether Trump is Jesus, Judas, or the Antichrist, right?
We know that everyone plays a role. I also think that one of the things that's really super important is that we um that we also reme remember that if you are a Christian and if you believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ, then you also know that we have free will. And so, you know, we get to we get to make of this world and this life and this earthly experience what we desire. And so the question becomes, what do you desire? Good morning, DNS. Right? I think what do what do you desire? Like I have zero interest in debating with people about whether or not God sent Jesus Trump Jesus sent Trump or not, right? God sent Trump. Like I don't I don't care. Like this is even this is this isn't even about Donald Trump. This is about what I believe based on the Bible and based on Jesus's teachings, what I believe Jesus would have you do, right? And uh Good morning, Mom. And so this is why the subject matter is here and this is why I would love to have a conversation about it. Good morning, Burke. Right. So, like I said, many people that profess to be Christian um and also profess to be conservatives and also support MAGA um and this administration, they often, you know, say that they are Christians. And my whole thing is is that if you if you profess to be Christian and you are living according to Christian teachings, then those two things do not go together. So, Christianity and supporting this administration don't go together.
right? They just don't. Um and and so I believe that Jesus would have you vote for progressives. And I am ready to have a discussion about why I believe that to be so. Um I'm ready to have a conversation about why I believe Jesus's teachings support that, why I believe the Bible supports that. Appreciate you, Leverne. And what I'm hoping is that other people will also weigh in on this conversation.
That's what the that's what the goal is.
Now, will we be talking about other things? Absolutely. Right. So, um we are going to we are definitely going to have a conversation about some of the things that are happening right now. The fact that the president of the United States has put a pause on Operation Freedom. I mean, just coincidentally after Iran hit a couple of boats with some with some missiles and also the the UAE and that sort of thing, right? Um, uh, thanks Sandy. Appreciate that. And, uh, and so, yeah, you know, um, and you know, and some people made a windfall of money again, which this is just wash, rinse, repeat, right? Uh, good morning 2409. Um, so yeah, I think that's important. Um, let me see what is this. Uh, hey, April Showers. Good morning. Good to see you.
Uh, night sky. Yeah. So, it doesn't matter. So, let me let me say this, okay? Because this is really important.
I we're not here to debate whether or not you believe in the Bible. Good morning, witch. Like, that's not the conversation.
This is this conversation is for people who believe in the Bible and who profess to be Christians, right? Or people who um have respect for the Christian faith um and and can honor what it says. You know what I mean? So like this is not a oh I think your religion is stupid live.
That's not what this is. This is if this is your faith and if this is what you profess your faith faith to be then you should be voting progressive because based on your faith as a Christian that's what Jesus Christ would would desire, right? Good morning West 2.0.
Good to see you. So hopefully that makes sense. Um and uh and people will be game for this conversation. Um yeah, Jesus teaches the biatitudes and the fruits of the spirit and all of those types of things. Um but I I think so so let me show you what a lot of folks are doing.
Good morning, Ella. Good morning, Just Me. Um right, Hark, what would you do?
Vote progressive. And so what I want to do is instead of talking about like what this administration doesn't have that aligns with um with with this administration. I kind of want to talk about what are the principles of progressives like what divine what defines what you know what are some of the foundational things that go along with progressives. So if we could talk about a couple of different things right.
So good morning Dank. Um, so let's just take like one policy at a time. Can we do that? Are y'all game for this? Can we have a little a little group discussion because I I really want people to get into this conversation and be a part of it. Okay. So if I want to talk about health care okay so let's start with this this one policy um about health care um and um and so well and so night sky it's important for you to understand what Jesus said versus what Paul might have said okay you still want to argue about Christianity and that's not what this conversation is about. So hopefully you will want to participate in what the conversation is about or you'll end up that this conversation is not what you want it to be about and you'll go to another live that likes to argue about people's faith because this is not that.
Okay.
All right. So here we go. Um so let's talk about healthcare. So I have um I I believe that based on um what we know about Jesus Christ, what we know about how he walked this earth, what we know about um how he uh engaged with people, right? Um from everything that I saw, healthc care was free from Jesus.
when people were sick, when people had diseases, when people were crippled crippled, he just freely healed them. I don't believe I believe that Jesus was an advocate of universal healthcare based on his behavior, right? Because he didn't say, "Let me take up an offering first."
He didn't say um you know like he just he didn't do any of those things. So just based on his actual behavior, the way that he lived, what we know about his life when he walked the earth according to the Bible is that Jesus didn't require uh referrals. Jesus didn't uh require anyone to have insurance. They didn't have to pay premiums for a certain amount of time before they could utilize their insurance. And he, you know, healing wasn't attached to their work, right? So people didn't have to have a job in order to get healing from Jesus Christ.
It was just something that he freely gave. So based on that behavior, I would say that Jesus is uh is a is a supporter of universal health care.
Yep. We're not to that part yet, though, Jack Jones. We're doing right. no co-pays, right?
And so, so this is so the reason, so what I want to do, this is what I want to do you guys. I want to talk about it from a perspective of policies, not parties, not administrations, but policies. That is why this doesn't say Jesus would want you to vote for Democrats. It says Jesus would want you to vote for progressives.
Right? So, let's talk about that. So when we talk about progressives um and uh and what how what direction progressives want health care to go in, can we all agree that progressives would like universal health care?
I would say yes.
So but ta the question that I asked the qu the statement isn't whether or not Jesus would want us to love each other.
My sentiment isn't about whether what Jesus feels about loving each other. My question, my my statement is that Jesus will want you to vote for progressives.
But let's also take what you just said, T. Leah. You said that Jesus would want us to love each other no matter our political view. So on that note, would Jesus want us to deport people?
On that note, would Jesus want us to deny people health care? Would Jesus want us to not feed children? Would Jesus want us to put people in jail for simply not having a home to live in?
So those are the questions. So if you're talking about because Jesus didn't just say love each other. That's not what Jesus said. Jesus said to love your neighbor as thyself is what Jesus said, right?
So these are these are these are the questions.
So how do we demonstrate love each other?
Like I'm from the south. We demonstrate love by feeding people.
Like I'm from the south. We demonstrate love by feeding people.
Good morning Cheryl. I'm just saying you're Italian, you too, right? Just ask my hips. Good morning, Indigo.
Right. Um, so again, if you're saying Jesus wants us to love each other, then I would ask you, what does that look like?
What behaviors Good morning, Colleen.
What behaviors align with loving thy neighbor as thyself?
Is it insurance premiums?
Good morning, Red Jack. Thank you, Sandy. I got on my Danakin shirt today.
Right.
So, I see one or two people. This is a capitalist country with non-religious leaders that would use your faith as a tool to shape hate. Okay, I'm going to try to read that again. This is a capitalist country with none with nonreligious leaders that use your faith as a tool to shake. Frank, I'm not sure what you're trying to express. Good morning, Anger. Frank, can you can you try try your your comment again because I'm not sure what you're trying to express.
Same in the Caribbean culture, Cheryl.
Right.
Frank, do you wanna do you want to try your comment again?
Because I'm not sure what you're trying to express.
Yeah. So, well, Hoodie, I guess my question to be to you would be because Hoodie says, "I am voting for Trump and Republicans, but more importantly for America, my nation." And so my question to you, Hoodie, would be, do you um do you consider yourself to be a Christian?
That That's my question. You You said to me who you're voting for. Um so my question is, do you consider yourself to be a Christian, hoodie? Because if so, then we can have a conversation about your profession of Christianity as your faith. and then your vote for Republicans or for Trump, right? That's the conversation.
I sent you an invite to come up to the panel, but shockingly so, you haven't come up yet.
Good morning, Sherry. How are you?
Yeah, s I don't know.
Did you like that? S I don't know.
Salam Abdul. How are you my friend?
Good. Glad you're doing well.
What branch of Christianity are you? If you don't mind answering, of course. If you're asking, are you asking denominations?
Is that what you're asking? Because I'm actually not talking about. So the reason why I talk about Christianity is because that is the faith um that is based on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ, right? What we know is that denominations within that uh within that religion are Yeah. So you're referring to denominations, right? Um, and so I don't um, when it comes to what Jesus is, what Jesus lived like, that's the same in all of the denominations. So, denominations don't matter, right? So, like, so if I'm talking about um, if I'm talking about the life of Jesus Christ and how Jesus would live and how Jesus behaved and what Jesus taught people to do, right? then it then the denomination isn't isn't relevant.
Okay. Yeah. So, here's what I'm going to do is as I've said, the panel is open everywhere. Um, so what I'm going to do is I'm going to check to see if people have requested up and I'm going to remind you that there are only four things in here that I ask people for and they're pretty simple. I ask that people be respectful, that people do not use slurs of any kind, that people don't spam the comments. In other words, don't say the same thing 50 111 times. And then last but not least, and this one sounds weird, but don't type in all caps. The reason all caps is reserved for my moderators and all caps is reserved for my folks that are vision impaired. I have followers that I know are vision impaired and so those are reserved for those folks. So, just be respectful of people with disabilities.
Okay. Um, yeah. So, um, yeah. So, Jorge, this is not about whether you believe Jesus exists or not. That's not what this is about. You can go, there are plenty of atheist and Christian like religion debate lives. This is not one of those. So, feel free to go to one of those, but we're not debating what people believe or don't believe. Okay.
Got it? All right. So folks, when I bring you to my panel, put yourself on mute until I get to you.
Um, yeah, I mean, Great Books, that that again is not part of what we're talking about this morning. Great books. Good morning, David. How are you?
>> What's up? I'm fine. How are you?
>> I'm doing great. I'm doing great. Uh, and how old are you?
>> 40.
>> 40. Okay, great. So, yeah.
>> I'm sorry, what?
>> How old are you?
>> I'm 52.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah. So, David, um, so the the prompt today says Jesus would want you to vote for progressives, right? And so, what do you want to say about that prompt?
>> Um, I think Jesus is more worried about the black-on-black crime that you guys never talk about, which is truly sad.
Yeah.
>> Why would So, let me ask you a question, though.
>> Well, hold on, David. Let me ask you a question. Where where do you get in Jesus's teachings that he would be worried about white-on-white crime?
>> No, I said black on black crime because it's out of control. Do you not understand that?
>> Yeah. So, again, where do you get >> perap means?
>> Okay, so David Hey, David, listen.
>> Danny David perap. Okay. So, I'm going to try this because I'm not sure whose live you're used to being in. So, the very first guideline in this space is to be respectful.
>> You're in charge. You don't want anybody talk.
>> The very first thing is for you to be respectful because that's what's required. And I said that before you got on here. Okay. Yeah. So, what we can do is >> So, what we can do Well, because you're trying to talk over me and you don't get to do that. You don't get to do that.
Come back when you learn.
Come back, David, when you learn.
Yeah, come back when you learn.
I don't think that Jesus is concerned with white-on-white crime. I mean, I know that it is out of control. I know that it accounts for the vast majority of violent crime in this country. Um, I know that, um, historically speaking, um, you know, most crimes that have been committed, um, come from, um, white males between a certain age range, right? Um especially when we look at mass pew pewers or if we look at um colonizers, when you look at people that commit g-sides, when you look at um people that do those types of things, right? Um we know that that that typically does come from, you know, folks within that demographic. But what I here's one of the things that that I think about when we just talk about crime period, right? Um domestic crime tends to be something that comes because of proximity, right? Um and so what we know is that we tend to harm the people closest to us. That is why women right the the the the greatest number of uh assaults committed and unalivings committed against women are from their partners right so you know that's just one of those things um I don't find any reference in the Bible where Jesus talks about being concerned about white-on-white crime.
Yeah. I think Jesus loved white people like he loved everyone else. And I think Jesus is okay that, you know, white-on-white crime is out of control.
Yeah. I think he just wants white people to be saved the way he wants everyone else to be saved. And I think Jesus forgives people for a white-on-white crime. I do.
Yeah. So, it's okay, you know.
Yeah.
So, um, Miss Alice, did you, uh, did you intend to request up?
Thank you, Ghouie.
Right, Amy. Right.
Good morning, Lisa.
Thank you, Carrie. No worries, Alice. I just wanted to be sure. Yeah. So, right.
So, one of the things that I want people to um appreciate you, Tara. One of the things that I want people to Buenos Theos triplet um good morning, Lisa. One of the things that I want people to understand about this conversation is that it's not about whether or not you agree with Christianity or you think that Christianity is real or not real.
Good morning, Cheryl. Hope you're doing okay, friend. It's about if you pres if you profess, right? It was before I went live today, Michael.
Um, but if you profess to be a Christian, if you say, "Hey, I'm a follower of Jesus Christ." Then, you know, if you think about the teachings, the principles, and the behavior, the example that Jesus Christ gave us, that example was would align with progressives, right? And so, what we were discussing before the last guest joined the panel, Salamnor, was healthcare. And so my um my personal opinion that's based on the behaviors of Jesus Christ in the Bible was that Jesus would be supportive of universal healthcare. Right? So I think that's number one. And uh I think the reason I say that and this is what I was sharing before the last uh guest came up. Right?
Is um you know Jesus didn't require co-pays. He didn't require insurance. He didn't say, "Oh, well, you can only get healing if you have a job." And by the way, your healing, your coverage for healing only kicks in when you've worked 90 days, right? Um, and so just based on that behavior alone, like I don't even need to I don't even need to kind of look at like, well, what do the verses say? and um and is it in red letters or is it in blue black letters or whatever, right? I can just look at his behavior, the example that he set, right?
Oh, thanks. You're welcome. And so, so Audra, I don't think that I I don't So, here's the thing. Morals are subjective.
And I'm going to share with you what I mean, Audra. Okay. So for some people they um morally morally there are some people that say oh I'm not going to engage in curse words as this country and this this society has determined curse words right there are some people that morally they won't say they won't say damn they won't say they won't say whatever right because that's morally for them so I have a different view and So what I my view of language is that words are man-made right and it's the intent of the heart that matters what you say okay so you know if I am looking at you in your face and I say sugar you and you know I mean you um I still cursed you it has nothing to do with the word that I chose it it's the intent of my heart. And so what I think that a lot of people do is they use false morals to make them make themselves feel good about themselves and to not have to look at the other areas in their life where they're not living up to the teachings of Jesus that they say they represent. And so, you know, I look like I'm a good Christian if I don't curse and I go to church every Sunday, right? I look like a good Christian and I sound like a good Christian because oh, I'm not using that awful word. Um, and at the same time, I am voting for people that don't want to feed children, that want to send people to countries they've never ever been to, um, that, you know, um, use violent, horrible rhetoric all the time. Right. Right.
Glenn, example. Bless your heart. We, those of us from the south, we know that bless your heart can be a curse word, right?
So, we know that. So, Doc Savage, please don't type in all caps. I have some folks that are vision impaired and all caps are reserved for those people. So, just be respectful of people with disabilities. Okay?
So, again, you know what I mean?
So if if you have uh an idea that somehow um those things Jesus wouldn't support um healthcare, then let's talk about it, right?
Good morning, Nancy G. Good morning, Sherry.
How you doing?
>> Morning.
>> Good morning. How are you?
>> I'm I'm doing good, thank you.
>> Good. Um I just wanted to talk to you because you know um three years ago today is when I found my granddaughter when she passed away at the age of 16.
>> Yeah.
>> It was a year later that I met you and I was angry.
>> Yeah.
>> But we talked a lot.
>> We did. um you know how to push my buttons, but at the same time, you've taught me how to understand why you push my buttons.
>> You've helped me a lot over the last couple years and your your music yesterday uh glimmers.
>> Yeah, >> I needed >> Yeah. So, I just wanted to thank you and >> You're welcome, Sherry.
>> For being a part of my life.
>> You're welcome.
>> And that's all I had to say.
>> Well, I appreciate you for being in here. You know, I know that I've pushed your buttons, but I know that you've always hung in really hard conversations.
Um, and that takes courage. Um, and it takes growth. And um >> my account has been set up because of my granddaughter and I've got to cancel it because there's problems with it. I can't join anything that you have because of it. And so I'm going to have to cancel it so I can be a part of of this stuff that you're doing because um it's exciting.
>> Yeah, I'm glad. I'm looking forward to it. Yeah, we love Sherry. Um, for if for those of you who don't know, when Sherry and I first met, it was a very passionate it was a very passionate conversation um to say the least. And um what we connected over was my grandchildren um when Dominic came over and talked and that was the first time you kind of were like, "Huh?" And uh and then yeah, it was a little explosive. Um, but you know, we've gone back and forth and so what I appreciate about you is you've always hung in there in every conversation and you know, grief looks like anger a lot. Anger is that surface emotion. Remember we were talking about it the other day. A lot of people are grieving and it's coming out as anger.
So, I appreciate you.
>> Well, thank you very much for your your time and your dedication to helping others, Gammy. It's incredible.
>> Well, I So are you. I appreciate you.
Deep breaths today. Deep breaths today.
>> You Yeah. So, >> have a good day.
>> Yeah, you too, sweetie. See you later.
>> Bye.
>> Bye. Um, y'all, Sherry and I were like this when we first met. And, um, and we've had maybe I think three tough conversations. Um and every time she comes back and every times she she sits with the conversations that we have and um this is the thing that I love because many people would have thought Sherry was oh she's MAGA she's unreachable she's one whatever and um you know I this is what I say when I talk about listening for connection yes she's not afraid to be vulnerable and she does want to get it quote unquote right and that's the thing that makes the difference you all right especially when you are um confronted with things that um that that you know that are opposite of what you've always believed or what you've been raised to believe and you're like that doesn't sit right and I don't really know yeah she does the work um and so uh so I'm ridiculously grateful for her. Um she's probably one of my favorite Danakans that came from the other side, if you will, right? Um and um and so yeah, so we we all do. We we love Sherry. We notice if she's not here um and all of that. And um so yeah, so it really does matter. It matters. So yeah, good morning Darnell. How are you?
>> Good morning, Danny.
Um, I just want to drop by again to give you your flowers. These um the conversation you were having is very very necessary in these times and um too few people are willing to to have them.
>> Yeah.
>> Like sit with it. You know what would uh what would Jesus do? Used to be a s a saying many many years ago.
>> Yeah. We had bracelets.
>> Yeah. you know, and I'm like, you know, these are these are moments of like when people can like do some do some introspection >> and and think about why they think the way they think and feel the way they feel. And if you're a Christian, are you are you walking are you walking that walk?
>> Are you living righteously?
>> Yeah.
>> And u and I just want to thank you for having the conversation. I I can't the depths of what I've learned from you and and the thoughts that I I've been writing stuff down, girl. I mean, I've been writing stuff down.
Uh and I and and and and I you know I've expanded my thoughts on some of the things that some of the thoughts that I previously had because I I I took some time to go you know what am I >> am I considering the angles >> you know uh am I really uh considering the the the the intersections in some of these conversations?
>> Yeah.
>> You know and again I I I want to I just want to thank you for doing what you do.
I appreciate you.
>> Uh you have a happy hump day.
>> Yep. You too.
>> And I'll be around.
>> Okay. I appreciate you, Darnell. Thank you.
>> All right. Love you.
>> Love you, too. You know, this is the part that um I really love about what we do and what we get to do together, right? Um because sometimes it's really important and and again we don't have to agree but that understanding really does something doesn't it? The creating understanding and going huh I had never thought about it from this perspective. I have never thought about it from that perspective.
That is um is one of the things that uh that really makes it uh amazing. And that's again why I keep saying good morning MMG. It's one of the reasons why I keep saying um diversity is such a blessing and such a great thing because we get to see it from every other people's perspectives and other people's lived experiences and and those types of things. And so that makes it uh it makes it great, right? So um yeah, I'm aware that PK is back. PK, do you want to join the panel? Because you're back. So I'm guessing that you do.
I sent you an invitation, PK. So, listen. This is what would be great because the last time you were here, PK, I also asked you to join the panel and you did not. And I let you be in here for a while and I let you just be um I let you be distracting um for a while.
And today, I'm not going to do that. So, today if you really have a lot to say, then I'm going to ask you to join the panel and say it right. um and not just be behind your keyboard trying to be a distraction or trying to be hateful or trying to be whatever. Okay. So, uh what do you say PK?
What you going to do?
What you going to do PK? Let me know.
All right. So when again, so what we were talking about is Jesus would want you to vote for um we would want you to vote for progressive. That's what Jesus would want you to do, right? And uh Buenos, Mr. Barios. And uh like I said before, I'm basing that on his lived experience and the example that he set, right? I don't think there's a better uh thing to go by than um than the you know the life right and the example um good morning Kathy in Northern California.
Yeah Kate I don't know but people do manage to try to argue the point. Well, you know what? To be to be frank, they haven't tried to argue the point. They just wanted to say, you know, irrelevant things uh about um about the left or progressives or Dems or libs, you know what I mean? Like, so I haven't seen anyone have a valid um rebuttal or thought process about this at all.
And so if PK or Stellar either one would like to join the panel, you know, I'm open to that so that we can have a, you know, a robust conversation.
And if not, we're going to continue to kind of go through and look at this from a policy perspective, right?
Because that's the thing that I really want you to understand. When I say progressive, notice this does not say specifically Democrats. It doesn't say socialist. It doesn't say whatever. It says progressives. And so that's the part that I want to look at it from is what do we know? What are the what are some of the foundational elements when it comes to our our main policies that progressives support and how does Jesus's life and Jesus's teachings align with those things compared to uh conservatives? Right? And so that's that's the conversation. Good morning, Masana. Good morning, peeps. Uh peeps for peace. Right. So, um sacred space invisible string. Did you guys mean to request up?
No. Hoodie, are you a bot or a troll or like cuz cuz you were here once before and like I said, I don't really care who you vote for. I'm asking this is a this is about are you Christian and um and if so how does that align with your vote?
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>> Hi. Okay. Can you hear me?
>> Yep, I can hear you.
>> Okay. So, uh I guess I have a question about um like you said the other day how historically speaking, uh women tend to vote for like their husbands do.
And I guess I'm I guess I have questions about like Christian families and if that's the case with um like if wives tend to feel differently than their husbands but they don't know how to vote differently than their husbands.
>> Yeah. So a lot of times within Christianity, right, there's this um there's this very loud teaching that women are to be submissive, right? The husband is the head of the house. Um and you know, and and it varies in different households to different degrees, right?
So depending upon denomination, depending upon interpretation, uh in some households, whatever whatever the husband said is what is just what goes, right? in other in other households there's discussion and what the husband says goes and uh and it just depends right so it just depends what I find really interesting about that and I'm going to I'm going to talk about it and bring it up so I'm glad that you brought this up what happens a lot um when they talk about women should be submissive they tend to pull that out not surprising um and they forget all of the things that they forget the context in which it is stated. Right? And so let me show you um all right so if you are looking at um Ephesians right because this is the chapter that it comes from it's Ephesians uh chapter 5 22 and 23 they get there and because that's the part that says wives submit yourselves unto your husbands uh as you do to the Lord for um whoops it moved for me. It says for the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church his body of which he is the savior. Um and now as the church submits to Christ uh also wives should submit to their husbands in everything right but that tends to be when they teach it from the pulpit that te that tends to be all they teach and they forget this other part right and verse 25 says husbands love your wives just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy and cleansing her by the washing with water through the word and present her to himself as a radiant church without stain or wrinkle or blemish but holy and blameless. Right? In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they fit fed and care for their body just as Christ does the church. Um for we are members of his body. For this reason, a man shall leave his father and his mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh. Right? Um and then again in verse 33 it says each of you also must love his wife as he loves himself and the wife must respect her husband. So this is the part that they forget. They forget that there's a prerequisite to submission and that is that the man must love the wife as Christ loved the church. They forget and it only says women submit yourselves to your husband once. Well actually twice, right? But it says, it tells men to love their wives as Christ loved the church four times. That's the NIV. I can read from the King James as well, right? Um and so this is one of the reasons that many people challenge or or yeah, many people um don't really like religions because the religions and the denominations are man-made. And um historically speaking, men have used religion to subjugate women and uh and so that's a problem.
>> Yeah, that's that's helpful. Um I have a lot of family that um like I'm starting to talk to them a little progressively and um I think I can tell that they're a little confused. like at this point they don't know which way to go. Like I think they've just voted Republican their whole life and >> this is something new to them and um and I don't think most of them even in like have been involved in primaries. So the fact that like they think this is a big year for some reason and um they're just asking more questions. So uh and I and I talk to more of the wives more than the husbands. Yeah. Um, and they're like, "Well, I've always voted like religiously."
>> And I I've just never understood that.
>> So, a great way when they say things like that, right? A great thing. Um, oh, yay, JBird. I love that I showed up over there. So, a great conversation to have when they say, you know, I've always voted religiously. Most of the time when they say that, they are talking about AB and that's all they're talking about, right?
>> Yeah. And and so it's really um it's it's great to open that conversation up and say, "Okay, great." Um so if you've always voted religiously, right, what would you say are the main characteristics and teachings of Jesus Christ?
What What did Jesus Christ >> matter?
>> You see what I'm saying?
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Stephanie, I'm not going to argue with someone about AB. I'm not right.
That's not I don't need to do that and I don't need to talk about bitter waters or any of that. What I can do is I can talk about Jesus because like and I don't know if you've been in here when I've talked about this um but this is this is directly from the Bible. Um the disciples asked Jesus what is the greatest of all commandments?
And he says there are two. And he said, "The first is to love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, with all thy mind, with all thy soul." And he said, "And the second is just like it, which is to love thy neighbor as thyself."
Right? And then he goes on to say, "And on these two commandments, all other laws and prophets rest." So in other words, before you talk about any other requirement in scripture, before you talk about any other commandment, right?
If you are not loving God with all your heart, with all your with all your heart, with all your mind, with all your soul, and if you are not loving your neighbor as you love yourself, you you haven't mastered you haven't even mastered enough to be worried about anything else. And so that would be my conversation is if they say, "I've always voted religiously." I would say, do you mean religiously or do you mean spiritually?
>> Are you voting are you voting on teachings of the church or are you voting on teachings of Jesus Christ?
>> Yeah. Thank you.
>> You're welcome. Yeah. And so what I what I find helpful is just don't argue scripture with people, right? Um but I think we can just talk about the characteristics and the teachings of Jesus.
Yep. 100%.
>> Yeah, I brought up Mary Magdalene one time and that was a mistake. But you know, >> so because they're so when you do that, what they're going to do is be defensive, right? Because you are attacking what they believe. And so instead of attacking what they believe, it's okay, got it, got it. So, you know, and you can actually say okay, so got it. And you can say we've actually been talking about this on TikTok, which is true, right? And you can say unequivocally, we were talking about Appreciate that, Tori. You can say, you know, um we were talking about Jesus's um example, you know, and Jesus gave away healing for free and he fed people for free and you know, and he said to love God with all your heart and all your mind and your neighbor as yourself.
And so when people say to me that they're voting about, you know, along their religion, it makes me wonder, do they mean the teachings of the church or the teachings of Jesus? And ask, be curious, right? Just ask that question.
Good morning, royalty. And so because when you when So what you're saying to them is, I'm not arguing with you and I'm not telling you that you're wrong.
What you're saying is, listen, y'all know this is not how I think about life, right? And so you can say we were having this conversation on TikTok and you know and hearing what she said and hearing what you guys are saying. Is there a difference between voting based on what the church teaches the Bible says and how Jesus lived his life and then you let them because what that does is that makes them have to think.
And that's what you want. You want you want to know the answer because we do.
And you want to ask questions that allow people to discover the answer for themselves.
>> Fun. Love it.
>> Yeah. Because then they own it. Once they discover it for themselves and they go, "Oh shit." Right.
Then they own it. So, one of the things that you have to remember is that when you say it, people uh don't believe it, but when they say it, they do. Right.
And it's just like yesterday when we were talking, right? So yesterday, um, I said people hate to be sold, right?
People hate to be convinced. They hate to be sold. People want to do it themselves. And a perfect example is you can go shopping. You can know that you need a new dress, a specific outfit, and the minute the salesperson comes over and says, "Can I help you find something?" What do you say?
No. No, thank you. Just looking. Because you don't want to be sold, right? You can go on a car lot. Same thing. Can I help you find? Nope. Just looking >> cuz we don't want to be sold.
>> I like to think that in a way like Jesus kind of did that like with people is like thinking about how Jesus was hated in a way. And I imagine him like having to kind of step around and like ease people into liking him more.
And the way he did that was it with like such grace and wit. It's a it's a fun way to play around with it.
>> Yeah. Um, and I mean it's just really funny to me because like and he was a bit of a smartass in some situations.
Like people don't realize like when Jesus was talking to the woman at the well, he pretty much like in today's language he was calling her a hoe is what he was saying. He was like, "You've had seven husbands before and the man you with now ain't your husband, right?"
Like literally that's what he was saying to her, but he wasn't saying it. I mean, you know, he was pretty radical um for for the time that he was in. Um and so he he had a great sense of humor if you if you remember that because if you're a Christian, you believe that he walked this earth as a man, as a whole, regular man. Um and if that is the case and that's what you believe, then yeah, he had he had wit and he had sarcasm and he had a temper, right? All right. The Bible doesn't say don't be angry. It says don't go to sleep angry. It says don't go to bed angry. It doesn't say never be angry. We know that there is such a thing as righteous anger. How do we know? He literally flipped over tables and he braided whips and cracked them on people in the temple, right, in the church. So yeah, you know what I mean? Um, so it's again it's not it's not arguing scripture with people, right? The Bible even says, you know, only a few only a fool argues scripture, right? So, it's not that. It's about saying, okay, help me understand how your vote aligns with Jesus's example, Jesus's teaching, and what you know, when the Bible says we shall know them by their fruit.
You know, isn't fruit what you say?
Isn't fruit what you do?
you know, so help me understand.
>> Yay. Thanks.
>> You're welcome. Yay. Glad that was helpful.
>> Yeah. Have a good day.
>> You, too.
You know, so folks, this is the thing.
You're not here to debate or mock anybody's religion and their belief and their choice. You're not. What you want is to create understanding and you want to because I think that that's how many people feel. You want to understand how the people in your life who you know to be good people, right, who you know to be caring people, how do they end up voting this way? And so that's the question.
So share with me how this aligns with how does this align with how he taught and how he walked and what he said and what he did.
you know, because now you've got to make them think how does this how does my vote, how does my view on policy, you know, align with those things.
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Good morning, Bay Fear the Light. How are you?
>> Good.
>> Good. So, what what would you like to say?
>> The progressive the uh Democrats.
>> Well, I I don't know that that all progressives consider themselves to be Democrats.
H uh so how we know uh Jesus want us to vote progressive?
>> Yeah. So well we were talking about that's what we were just talking about.
And so I believe that we know that based on the way that he lived and the things that he said and what he taught.
>> Mhm. Uh I don't I didn't read too much of the words of Jesus, but um he did say something about I did read a verse where he said that a divide house can't stand and that the house fork uh and that the house should be on um solid grounds and not um sand that was like represent like the country being on like stable traditions and not like on some unequal myths where it can't just stand as a country or what not.
>> Well, I don't think that Jesus was referring to a country at that time, right? Um, you know, I I think so. Let me show you the scripture that you're talking about.
Okay. So, it's in several different one.
Well, so it talks about it in Matthew, Mark, and Luke. Um, good morning Stephanie. So um it will depend upon upon the um the context. Do you know which chapter you're referring to it in or no?
>> Was it you said Matthew?
>> Yeah. Matthew, Mark, and Luke.
>> Yeah, it was Matthew.
>> Okay, >> that was the book I was reading.
>> All right, so let's do this.
All right. So, it's Matthew chapter 12 and you are looking at verses 22 through 28 that this is specifically about. I always open it up when I look this on when I look this on online. I always open the entire chapter for context because it's important, right? Um and so um give me one second.
>> Okay. So this particular chapter, chapter 12 is about, you know, Jesus being the Lord of the Sabbaths. And he says, um um so basically the Pharisees had seen that um that they were hungry, right?
And uh the disciples were hungry. And so they began to pluck grain uh to eat. And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to Jesus, they said, "Look, your disciples are working on the Sabbath, and it's not lawful to work on the Sabbath." And so Jesus said to them, "Have you not read what David did when he was hungry? He and those who were with him, how he entered the house of God and ate the showbread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests. Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath and are blameless? Yet I say to you that in this place there is one that is greater than the temple." Right? But if you had known that what this means, I desire mercy and not sacrifice, you would not have condemned the guiltless, for the son of man is Lord even of the Sabbath. Right? So he's saying the son of God is is greater than even the law of not working on the Sabbath. And he said, "Now when he had departed from there, he went into their synagogue, and behold, there was a man who had a withered hand. And they asked him, saying, is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?" So that because they wanted to accuse him of doing wrong. And Jesus said to them, "So what man is there among you who has one sheep, and if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not lay hold of it and lift it out? Of how much more value is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath." And so then he said to the man, "Stretch out your hand." And he stretched it out and then Jesus restored it. And then the Pharisees went out and they plotted against him. They were mad because he was healing on a Sunday. Um and so verse 15 says, "But when Jesus knew it, he withdrew from there." So he knew they were they were plotting against him. So he left, right? And multitudes of people followed him and he healed them all.
Okay? And he warned them not to make him known. He said that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the by Isaiah the prophet, saying, "Behold, my servant whom I have chosen, my beloved in whom my soul is well pleased. I will put my spirit upon him, and he will declare justice to the Gentiles. He will not quarrel. He will not cry out, nor will he anyone hear his voice in the streets. D. And then this is voice verse 22. And then when one was brought to him who was demonpossessed, blind and mute, and he healed him, so that the blind and mute man both spoke and saw. And all the multitudes were amazed and said, "Could this be the son of David?" And the Pharisees heard it. And this fellow uh does not cast out demons except by the devil. They were saying that Jesus was the devil because he healed a man. And Jesus knew their thoughts and he said, "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. If Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself. So how will his kingdom stand?" So this particular scripture isn't talking about a country or a kingdom. This is Jesus saying, "I can't be of Satan because I'm literally casting out, you know, demons, right?
Which would be from Satan." And so that was this. So this is just saying I can't be that if I'm doing good, right? So you can't say that I'm the bad person because I'm literally getting rid of bad. And bad doesn't get rid of bad, right? Because then I would be against myself. So, this isn't referring to a country or a city. It's referring to if I'm doing good things, then I can't I can't be bad. Because if I were being bad and I was getting rid of bad things, then I would be working against myself and then I would fall.
When I hear term um progressive, I was thinking like um liberal or the Democrat party.
>> Mhm.
And I agree with a good chunk of what they what they stand for like affordable health care and you know stuff for the people.
>> Um but I very much like screw on like the whole LGBTQ part of it. That's where I kind like fall off on that one. Mhm.
>> So I'm going to leave a >> So let me ask you this. When um when what were the two greatest commandments that Jesus gave?
What did he say? What did Jesus say were the greatest commandments?
He was specifically asked what what he he was specifically asked what are what are what's the greatest commandment out of everything >> to love others.
>> So he said and this is this is the part that's really important. Okay. Um because of what he said and the way and the way he said it. So give me one second.
Whoops.
So it's Matthew verse 22 and I mean chapter 22 and it's verses 37-39.
Okay. And for me you have to go all the way through not just verse 39 but also down to verse 40. Again context is everything and completion. So um this is what let me go down here to it.
Okay. So, um, verse 24.
Oh, hold on. Sorry, it scrolled up on me.
Okay, so verse 35. So, this is when the Pharisees had gotten together. And so, one of the Pharisees, an expert in law, asked Jesus this question. He says, "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the law?" And verse 37 says, "Jesus replied, love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and the greatest commandment." And then he goes on in verse 39, he says, "And the second is like it. Love your neighbor as yourself." And then verse 40 is important because because he says, "All of the law and all of the prophets hang on these two commandments." So, even if you believed that the Bible says being gay is wrong, even if that's what you believe, the Bible still requires you first and foremost to love them as you love yourself.
That's what it requires of you. It doesn't ask you to judge them. That's not your job.
You're not God.
>> Isn't he say um Jesus has righteous anger? So like >> what does that mean? Yeah. But do you know what that righteous anger was about?
>> That righteous anger was because people were in the church and they were gambling in the church and they were making a mockery of of the church and of Christ. And so he kicked them out of the church.
So like he he he the way that you would think about that now is um is like some of the churches where um they're running the church like a business, right? And um and misrepresenting, you know, what what God would have the love, right? So that's different. Jesus never said for you to have uh to use your righteous anger in judgment.
And no matter what, it doesn't it doesn't supersede the first two commandments. He literally said, "Every other law, every other law and every other prophet rests on these two."
And these two are very simple. It's to love the Lord thy God with all your heart, with all thy mind, with all thy soul. Right? And to love your neighbor as yourself.
And it doesn't say only your straight neighbor. It doesn't say only your cis neighbor. It doesn't say anything. It says your neighbor. Period.
And so no matter like the only thing that you need to know about being uh LGBTQA is whether that works for you. And if it doesn't work for you then great, you get to mind your business and go on.
>> Yes. Um My dad told me about some laws uh that was fun to get pulled up on, you know, the state I live in North Carolina about uh them going to the women's restroom and all that. Um and that's only time I actually, you know, start to worry about it like you know. So, have you ever had a woman come into a men's bathroom and assault you?
>> Um, no. But my, you know, I got my sister, my little sister, and I don't know.
>> So, ask your sister, has she ever been assaulted by a trans person? And then ask your sister, has she ever been assaulted by a man or sexually harassed by a man?
>> Um, >> because you understand that. So, hold on. Let me make sure that you understand something.
If a trans woman is going into a bathroom, that is a woman going into a bathroom with another woman, right? That's a woman. So, she's not interested in your sister.
She's not She's not interested in your sister.
She's just interested in going pee.
And and and also, what does that have to do with loving thy neighbor as thyself?
That's what was going on because like I don't really believe uh the son of the lord will like have something that simple being warped and twisted and everything like >> what do you mean?
>> Cuz like you know he had a little conversation with you know the most low guy um Satan.
So I >> Well, Satan's not a god. Unless you're a Satanist.
Are you a Satanist or a Christian?
>> Um I'm a I'm not a Christian. I believe in the Lord, though.
>> Okay. So, what's the difference for you between being a Christian and believing in the Lord?
I mean, I don't like I don't like be like reading the words of Christ too much, like you know.
>> So, you don't read the Bible? Is that what you're saying?
>> Not recently. Uh-uh.
>> Okay.
>> No.
>> Well, I mean, so when you say you believe in the Lord, do you believe that Jesus is the son of God?
>> Yes.
>> Okay. And so, you believe that he died on the cross to save you from your sins?
Yes.
>> So that would make you a Christian.
Well, I just don't believe the son of God will like really believe in like, you know, the whole making something so simple like a restaurant being of like the the whole trans and like >> are you saying you don't believe that he would that that the son of God would be worried about bathrooms. Are you saying that you don't believe that God made trans people? What are you saying?
>> I am saying that you would like worry about bathroom like >> Yeah. He He He doesn't care about bathrooms.
I don't I don't see I don't see anything in the Bible that says don't let people use different bathrooms.
Yeah. So you don't believe such things are like worldly like you know >> what you mean bathroom laws?
>> I mean you talking about like the whole LGBTQ stuff.
>> Well so here's one of the things that I found very easy for me when I started to um think about you know people being created differently. Right? So first let me ask you this. Do you believe that that God makes mistakes?
>> No, that's that'll be impossible.
>> Okay. So, do you believe that we are created in the image of God?
>> Yes.
>> Okay. So, if all people are created in the image of God, then that would mean that God is both male and female because God created women and God created men.
And if I was made in the image of God and you were made in the image of God, then God is both male and female, right?
>> Yes. He's energy. So, I mean, of course.
>> Well, then I guess then I guess God made trans people, too.
>> Uh, that's why I disagree cuz like, you know, >> Well, who do you think made them? Who do you think made trans people?
>> I don't know. Um, I don't know. Um >> well so but explain it to me because how come God can be both male and female but people can't >> because we are human I mean >> yeah but if we are made but if we are made in God's image who are you to tell God that this isn't his image >> I mean I never seen no trans anything else that isn't Right.
>> Oh, that's not true. That's not true.
There are animals that that can actually go from being male to female.
>> There are animals that can procreate without other animals.
>> It's like a wolf or something. It could be a trans.
>> So, no. So, let me show you.
>> Give me one second. I can show you.
And I want the comments to remember to stay respectful, please.
Let's see. This is what I was looking for.
>> Okay. So, I'm going to give you an example. So, clown fish actually trans clownfish like you remember Finding Nemo the movie.
>> Um, yes.
>> Okay. So clown fish um actually change from male to female and parrot fish change from male female to male.
There's actually over 450 different species of fish that can change their sex. And that's just fish.
Frogs do it, too. There's many different animals in nature that change their sex.
So it's quite natural actually right it's human beings that can't wrap their mind around nature and this is the thing that this is what I was saying to you that for me when I look at when I look at nature all around me this naturally happens in fish it naturally happens in frogs it naturally happens in many different species in nature. So that would mean that it is natural because it literally happens in nature.
>> But something like we are mammals, you know, as far as we mammals. We we regulate our own temperature.
>> So but what is but what is a what is a okay but again what does that have to do with anything?
All right. I mean, look out in nature.
Like, barely any animal can just goes from man to woman. Like, >> no. I just told you that that's not true.
>> I'm saying that when it comes to something like a mammal, like a horse, >> but So, are you trying to say So, so I just want to be clear. Are you saying that mammals are uh somehow different than everything else that God created?
>> They're Yeah. different. So, so do you, so are you aware that there are as many as six million people in the world that are born who whose anatomical makeup, their chromosomes, their reproductive organs, uh they're not uh what we would consider to be all of the same sex.
So, let me share with you what I mean.
There are some people. So, typically what we think about is we think about a person that is assigned the sex of a woman at birth, right? We would think that that means that she is going to have um female um anatomy and that she's going to have XX chromosomes, right? But that's not always the case. There are people that have X chromosomes and they don't have an X or a Y after it. There are some like I I don't know if if you realize but like you don't start out boys don't start out with a member in the womb.
That comes much later. You actually start with what girls start with.
You start you start as a girl.
>> Yes.
>> Yeah. So you So you literally >> did trans you just transed in the womb.
>> Yes.
>> Yeah. So you were originally a girl.
You just transed in the womb and came out a boy.
>> I was talking down quizzes a long time ago. Um but like yeah that's science. Yes.
>> Yeah. So, all of this is science and that's what we're discussing. Yeah.
Yeah. So, you were a girl at one time.
>> You were just a girl in the womb.
>> I mean, my point beforehand was like know like and be like doing the shape shifting stuff. Not animal, but mammals specifically. No, mamal. But you're a mammal and you started out as a girl.
>> Yes. Like biology >> that you know, >> right? And so that's what we're discussing.
>> Yep.
>> Yeah. That's power the most high. But uh >> Right. Which all comes from God.
But the only reason I even like discuss about LGBTQ is when like you know the politics start doing their thing and like talk about stuff like the gender bathroom stuff. That's the only time I like >> So do you have sisters or a mother?
>> My little sister and my my mom. Yes.
>> Yeah. So do you have a girl's bathroom and a boy's bathroom in your house?
girls only.
>> Do you have a girls only bathroom and do you have a boys only bathroom in your house?
>> No.
>> No. But but come on now. When your sister's friends come over, >> but hold on. If you have friends over, your your male friend should not use the same bathroom that your sister uses.
>> Well, my sister is in the bathroom. I just don't go in. That's >> right.
So, you understand the point, right? You understand the point. And that and that at the end of the day, all of this comes back around to this thing. Number one, we know for sure that according to your belief about the God that you serve, God does not make mistakes. That's what we know, right? We also know based on your belief about your God that there are indeed animals on this earth, hundreds of them that change sex, right?
>> We also know that you change sex in the womb because you started out as a female, right? So that means the rest of it is nonsense because it doesn't matter, right?
>> I don't think anybody I don't think anybody really cares about people peeing and pooping, right? I think that it's just a madeup talking point because there are there are not any crimes committed by trans individuals in bathrooms.
Find me one.
Show me where a woman has been sexually assaulted by a trans individual in a bathroom.
>> You can't. But I can show you.
>> Huh?
>> You can >> show me.
>> Yep. Google. Google away.
>> My laptop.
>> Yep. So, it's going to be >> it. It needs to be woman uh sexually assaulted >> assaulted by trans woman in a bathroom.
>> Oh, look. They can be victims.
>> They can be victims. the first down >> says I don't understand what's this do you know how many trans individuals are sexually assaulted in their life 47% >> 47% So, now here's what I want you to do. I want you to type in women sexually assaulted by men in bathrooms.
That's what I want you to do. See how many of those come up.
>> Just digging.
>> Mhm. So, in Milwaukee, man climbs bathroom stall in a train station and sexually assaults a woman. Cincinnati police 6 days ago are looking for a man who's accused of following a woman into the bathroom of a of a bar downtown and strangling her and then graing her. And then in 2024, Jeffrey Fawsome, um a man in Henipin County, which is Michigan, um or Wisconsin, I believe, is also found guilty of sexually assaulting a woman inside a bathroom. Lee Mullen in 2025.
Lee James Mullen has been jailed for life for sexually assaulting and beating Maggie in a hospital toilet. Um so that's 2025. Uh police arrest man accused of raping woman in bathroom.
This one's five years ago in Philadelphia. Do you see the different?
Do you see the difference? Women have been sexually assaulted by men in bathrooms for years upon years upon years. It is a very rare occurrence where women are sexually assaulted by trans women. It's ridiculously rare, right? And so the problem isn't trans women. The problem is men. But men never like to think that men are the problem, right? So, you know, we get sexually assaulted every 68 seconds in this in this country, right? But somehow men never know other men that sexually assault women, but we just get sexually assaulted all the time. But you all don't know anybody that's sexually assaulting us. Crazy, isn't it?
It's why we choose the bear.
>> Yeah, it's a real case. Um I remember this um the first website popped up when I typed in.
>> So they fear they fear.
>> Okay. So again, if we are looking at So listen. Okay.
You found one case and I literally just named six where it's all men.
>> They fear. Listen, this this part's important. Okay. You found one case and how many did I just find over many many years of men, right?
>> So, so this would be my question for you. So, this is this would be my question for you. Why do you care about someone else being a trans person?
Why do you care? Well, >> this one case I just found up it it happens.
>> Okay. Did you hear me?
>> So, they fear. Did you hear what I said?
>> Did you hear what I asked you? Okay.
Yeah. So, this is my question. You found one case and you had to dig really hard to find one case.
>> This is this one I >> Hey, do me a favor. Do me a favor. Do me a favor. Do me a favor. Like, don't talk over me. Okay.
>> Oh, Lord. What I know for certain is that men are responsible for assaulting women the vast majority of the time. And so the question that I would ask you is who taught you to hate or fear trans people?
Because this is a question that I usually ask white people like who taught white people to hate or fear black people?
>> So So who taught you to hate or or fear trans people? I don't hate or fear them, but the >> Well, you do fear them. If you're saying that you're concerned about them going in a bathroom, you do.
>> I don't hate or fear them, but there's slews of cases. I just found >> There are not slews of cases. Don't lie.
>> There's not slew of cases. Don't lie.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah. Don't lie. Cuz then I cuz then I cuz let me just let me be clear because if you start lying I will lose my patience with you.
>> Camera don't >> uh if I show the word great. Um >> so did you hear what I just said?
>> Did you hear what I just said?
>> Yes. Okay.
>> I was planning on showing but I'm afraid >> I didn't ask I didn't ask you to show anything. Did I?
>> But you said I was lying.
>> Yeah. Because you said slew of cases and that is a lie.
>> There is a Okay. Okay. Okay. Let me make sure.
>> Yeah. Cuz what is a slew to you? Is a slooh one? Is a slooh two? What's a slooh?
>> Plenty.
>> What? Give me a number.
>> Let me count. Um, the one is one, two, three, four.
>> No, listen. Don't count the same case.
>> Six, seven, eight.
>> No, you have not found eight.
>> 12. Oh, wait. It's more.
>> No, you have not. You are lying.
>> Damn, it's a bunch.
>> You are lying.
>> I count to 19 now.
>> You are That is not true. That is not true.
>> All of them are great, but >> you That's not true. You're literally lying.
>> I just dig into >> You are literally lying. You're literally lying.
>> I just pulled up a source of the one I just ded on. Okay.
>> Again, you're lying.
>> Okay.
>> What's the website?
What's the website that has these 19 >> um this type um >> I already have already >> what >> judge finds transgender teen guilty of >> yeah sexual assault >> and I don't know how to pronounce this word it it it's spelled um let me spell it let me type it So, yeah, it's a school incident that happened in Virginia. I got it. Yeah, that's one case.
>> And there's um the PDF Utah PDF. Um it shows like the whole >> So, >> a lot of the other cases alongside it, the 19 or so cases, not all of them are the same though. I don't see but still.
>> So I I don't think that you're understanding. Read what's at the top of the document.
>> Mhm.
>> Top of the document. Um >> I'm going to read it for you. It says, "Dear Amanda Gilbert, the statement made in the following article by Sue Robbins of um um so if you look, it's the Utah Gay Straight Coalition, right? This is from a coalition that is anti-trans people. That's what this is." And if you will look um for example, some of these headlines are about the same case. And you will also see the uh the one is from the UK, right? The Daily Mail UK is one of them, right? One is a threat. Um Oh, this one is in prison, right? So I think in prison we know that that that this happens in Yeah, it's an anti-trans website. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, this is another one that's in prison.
Yeah. This one is not a trans person.
Um, yeah.
Yeah.
Again, so like this is not actual these aren't actual cases.
Like, do you want to know how many do you want to know how many cases I can pull up?
about men assaulting women in in bathrooms.
Uh, >> can you type up on >> No, I asked you a question. Yeah, he's trolling the trolling, but I want you all to remember it's not always about the person that's on the panel.
>> I mean, yeah. So, they fear. Do you have another question about Jesus?
sort of like talk about like you know you say and all the other stuff. Um >> what >> good morning Marilyn.
>> Oh I'm aware Grammy.
So do you have any other questions about Jesus instruction for you to love your neighbor as yourself and that until you do that you're you're you're failing every other you're failing the second greatest commandment.
Um yeah, I guess the only thing my mind contra is uh so like so you like think that the son of god Jesus will like want this political stuff of like know these politicians want the old trans so on so forth stuff >> he would want what of like sometime sometime talking about uh trains being allowed in bathrooms and all this stuff.
>> Well, that's not what that's not what people are talking about. So, the only people that are talking about bathrooms are Republicans.
>> Well, Republicans, of course.
>> Huh.
So, I mean, if states don't really don't want it to happen, I'm cool, you know.
>> Well, that's not really the question. I didn't ask you what policies you supported, right? The topic of the conversation is that Jesus would want you to vote for progressives. That's the topic of conversation based on based on policy and um and based on his life and his example, right?
So, I mean, can you show me um a teaching or an example of Jesus Christ um saying to you that you shouldn't uh love someone or someone shouldn't um I don't know, someone shouldn't go to the bathroom because of whatever.
No, you can't.
>> Yeah. So, let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. Do you believe that Jesus would want us to vote for people that don't want to feed children and the elderly?
>> No. I mean, >> yeah. No. No. No.
>> No. Okay. And so, which party took a a case to the Supreme Court so that they would not have to pay SNAP benefits to the elderly and to children? They're Republicans.
>> Okay. Gotcha. So, do you think that Jesus would want us to vote for people that want to spend more money on weapons and war than taking care of the sick and the children and the elderly?
>> Mhm.
>> No.
>> Mhm.
>> Okay. So, do you think that Jesus would want us to vote for um people that um want to make it so that people can't get healing when they need it?
>> Or do you think Jesus was about giving people healing for free?
>> He was about giving healing for free.
>> Sounds like to me Jesus would not want to support Republicans, right?
>> Yes. So, who do you think Jesus would want us to vote for?
>> Democrats. Yes.
>> Sounds like progressives, right?
>> Policies. Yes.
>> Yeah. See, look how we got there.
>> Yep. So, I appreciate you for um for, you know, for joining and asking questions and, you know, walking through things using uh using the Bible and Jesus as an example with his own actions. So um yeah, appreciate you have a great day.
Okay, so folks um this conversation again is not about whether you believe in Christianity, whether you think Jesus was real. It's not about that. It's about the fact that if you do profess to be a Christian, right? If you are saying I am Christian, I am conservative, I am whatever, and I vote according to my faith, then we have to have a conversation about what that looks like because based on Jesus's life, his examples, and his teachings, Jesus would want you to vote for progressives. Okay?
So, I'm going to bring some more folks up to the panel. Do me a favor. Put yourself on mute until I get to you. Um, and then we can continue to have conversations. Okay?
All right. So, um, all right.
Uh, put yourself on mute until I get to you folks while I bring some folks up to the panel, please.
All right. Uh, good uh, good morning, Curry. How are you, >> Curry?
Did you mean to request up to the panel?
>> Can you hear me?
>> Uh, you're breaking up a little bit.
So, Democrats.
Okay. Uh, I might have bad service.
>> I can hear you better. I can hear you better now. Yeah, I can hear you better.
>> Democrats in my city.
>> Cool. Democrats in my city uh got caught dressing in robes and having a Satan uh uh church service inside the city hall.
So, I don't know why Jesus would want me to vote for that. Well, so my prompt doesn't say anything about Democrats.
My prompt says My Prompt says that Jesus would want you to vote for progressives.
>> Yeah. Progressive Democrats, right?
>> Well, no, progressives. Not all progressives are Democrats.
>> So, like I know people who in their >> So, they worship Satan.
>> So, Well, hold on a second, Curry. So, I actually, you know, know of places where in churches, Republicans dressed up in robes and um and were priests and sexually assaulted children. So, would Jesus want us to vote for that?
>> Uh I you'd have to show me that. I don't I can do that. I can show you. Hold on.
You know what a priest is, right?
>> All right. So, let's do So, um, >> a priest isn't allowed to do that.
That's a It's also against the law, >> right? But so, listen, this is what I'm saying to you, right?
is there are priests that have sexually assaulted children, right? And so if you look um Well, hold on one second.
>> I don't understand what that has to do with anything.
>> Well, but it does because what we're talking about is we're talking about people being in the church doing, you know, really bad things and would Jesus want us to vote for those people, right?
And so um what we know is that is there was an extensive study done on this and approximately 4% of priests that were in ministry between 1950 and 2002 um were accused of sexual abuse. And we know that that's 6,000 of those were considered to be uh credible, right?
credible um accusations of sexual abuse and we can also do specific findings. So for example in Illinois um an investigation by the attorney general identified 451 clergy members that had uh sexually assaulted 2,000 victims. In uh in Maryland there were more than 150 um accused clergy that had sexually assaulted over 600 victims. Right. Um, in Pennsylvania there was over 300 quote unquote predator priests and more than 1,000 child victims. So, this would be my question to you, right? Um, is, you know, is that something that Jesus would want us to vote for?
You're breaking up again.
Yeah, those are probably progressives who did that.
>> Well, no, not if they're priests and and pastors. No, >> I could just say the progressives.
>> I mean, you could say it. It wouldn't make it true, though.
>> Yeah, that why not. What are you talking about?
>> Well, yeah. I mean, you can say it. This is one of the things that I think >> Catholic church, they're all >> Give me one second, Curry. This is one of the things that >> you just said it the opposite. I That's my point.
>> Curry, hold on for a second. Do me a favor and and don't talk over me, right?
Um, are you aware of the investigation into the Southern Baptist Church?
>> Yeah, those people aren't Christians.
>> Well, but no, but they are. Yes, they are.
Yes, they are. So, one of the things, so Curry, I don't know if you know this or not, but I don't know if you know this or not, but um the only person that can decide if someone is like saved or not is God. So like that wouldn't be you like like there's no So like so I'm going to give you an example, Curry. So listen, according to the Bible, Romans uh Romans 10:es 9 and 10, um the only thing that people have to do to be Christians and to be saved, what's up, Ro is that they have to confess with their mouth Lord and that he was raised from the dead to save them from their sin. So if those people have done those things, Curry, then you don't get to say whether they are or whether they aren't Christians.
Uh yeah, I get to use my logic and reasoning. They don't follow Christian morals, then they're not Christians.
>> What are Christian morals exactly?
>> So if they don't correl >> what are Christian what are Christian morals exactly?
>> Like people doing uh what you said is not very Christian. So that they are not Christians. They're not following it because they know that they're not because of what they're doing is bad.
>> Okay. So, can you share with me what Christian morals are?
>> It would be.
>> Yeah. Like the ten commandments like are you >> Well, so the ten commandments is actually from So, Curry the So, hold on.
But the ten commandments >> wasn't from Jesus Christ.
So, so the the Ten Commandments is from the Old Testament. Hold on a second, Curry. Let me finish. The Ten Commandments is from the Old Testament, right? Which is when when you were under the law. And so when Jesus came, Jesus said, "You are no longer under the law, right? You are under grace." And so the Ten Commandments would be Hebrew law, not Christianity. Christianity is actually based off of the teachings of Jesus Christ.
So the ten commandments are not >> okay.
>> Yeah. Part of Jesus's teachings. So what are Christian morals?
>> Yeah, they are because that's what we call those Christians.
>> Curry, what what are Christian morals?
>> I already said it.
>> So Curry, can you tell me what Jesus said were the greatest two commandments?
Uh, no. I didn't say I was a Christian.
>> Well, you did. You just said this is what we follow.
>> Yeah, but uh Okay. Well, >> I'm not uh I'm a Catholic mystic.
>> Okay. Okay. Well, you know, then I guess you can Yeah, he did say we do, right?
So, it sounds like C Curry um that you're not really interested in a genuine conversation about Christianity and Jesus Christ and and how voting and policies should align with your faith is what it sounds like.
>> Well, he wouldn't want um to vote for trans nineyear-olds. So, I know that for a fact.
>> Can you give me a scripture reference for that?
Uh yeah, Trump just uh made it where he can't do that. You can't um you know >> that it's not a thing. So here's what I think. I don't think Jesus would want us to vote for killing 169year-old girls in school.
>> Of course you would.
>> No, Jesus wouldn't.
>> Yeah. Wait, who do you think's doing all this?
>> Yeah. Not Jesus.
your opinion.
>> It is absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Memes aren't real life.
>> All right. Well, have a good day.
>> You too, Curry. Have a good one.
Y'all doing all right.
So, take a deep breath everybody. Um, I'm going to bring some more folks up to the panel. Do me a favor.
So, let me just let me share this with you all. Okay. Um, I don't uh I don't feel the need to So, let me just tell you something.
All they have is what they believe to be trigger topics, right? Um all they want to do is pick the most outlandish, egregious thing to say, right? Um good morning, Shelly. And um the thing about it is is I don't listen Who Curry is has nothing to do with me.
What Curry believes has nothing to do with me, right? Um, they just are who they are.
You know what I mean? So, I don't let any of those things bother me at all.
Um, you know what I mean?
It's all good, little saint.
Y'all, this is not about me. Them coming up here and saying the things they saying. Why are the conversations about trans? Because that's their only talking point. So, listen. This is what you have to understand.
um the conservative party, the conservative party and the conservative uh and those that vote conservative, they don't really have any policies to to talk about. They can't talk to you right now about affordability. They can't talk to you about health care.
They can't talk to you about education.
They can't talk to you about um the environment. They can't talk to you about housing. They can't talk to you about jobs or the economy. They can't talk to you about food or the cost of food, right? They can't talk to you about any of those things. So, what they attempt to do is they want to they want to bring up the things that they believe will be the most offensive that will make people clutch their pearls as if they truly exist. Right?
So, for those of you all who do not understand, number one, um, most people that are trans never transition physically. I don't know how many of you all know that, but most people that are trans don't transition physically. A it's incredibly expensive and the pathway to transitioning physically is not an easy one and it takes years to do to transition physically. You are required to go through um over a year or two of um of therapists and psychologists.
you are also required to be on um on hormones for a year or two before you transition. Like it is a very long, lengthy uh expensive process. So, it's just simply not a thing that happens, right? It's just not. And what a lot of people don't understand about gender affirming care, right, is gender affirming care isn't about being trans or not being trans.
Gender affirming care can be for um can be for children or people that have gotten that have illnesses and uh and maybe they've have cancer and they've had to have their their breasts removed or maybe they um you know are are male and or they're female and they have um they have heavy mustaches or heavy beards. And so gender affirming care is to is to get rid of that, right? Um if you are on hormone replacement therapy, listen, if you have a penile pump, that is gender affirming care.
If you have a penile pump, that is gender affirming care.
Viagra is gender affirming care.
Okay.
If you get your boobs removed, if you get your boobs, you know, your man boobs, if you get your boobs removed, that's gender affirming care.
Donald Trump has had gender affirming care, you guys.
He got hair plugs.
Gender affirming care. The president of the United States has had gender affirming care.
and it's very expensive.
So, it's not something that just happens.
Oh, by the way, listen, getting your boobs replaced is the fastest growing industry in plastic surgery right now.
I don't know if you all know this or not, but men getting their boobs taken off is the fastest growing segment of plastic surgery right now.
No, he got hair plugs years ago when he was still married to um Ivana.
Okay.
Yeah. So, all of these things are part of gender affirming care.
You know, I hope that some of these people are are never are ne never never have a child that has Turner syndrome or Kleinfelter syndrome or any of those things where your child needs gender affirming care um in order for them to properly go through puberty as the sex they identify as and that they were given at birth.
I hope that some of you transhating, transhomophobic people never have children that have any of the differently um developing um sexual um um conditions that exist that require gender affirming care.
Because I would hate to think how your child would feel learning who they are around you, right?
Some of you all are so busy running your mouths in front of your children and you have no idea who you're talking in front of, you know? It's just really sad.
It's really, really sad.
Appreciate it, Renee.
Um, all right. So, when I bring you to the panel, do me a favor and put yourself on mute until I get to you.
Yeah, Marilyn. Okay. Well, they left.
Oh, I love that, Cheryl.
Yeah. So, you know, it's really important for people to um it's really important for people to understand um science and medicine and um anatomy, right? All of those types of things because they matter. And so one of the things that I find really helpful is whenever um you know I'm trying to wrap my head around something, I look for the um thanks Leah. I look for the existence of this thing outside of human beings, right? And so the same way that you can look up animals that are able to uh change their sex and that do change their sex, right? Um, the existence of that in nature tells me that it is natural, right?
And things that are natural don't happen to everyone, right? It's it's rare, statistically speaking, to have red hair, but it's natural. And what we know about human beings is we don't like things that are natural that are in the minority, right? That is why red-headed people are demonized and villainized. That's why left-handed people are villainized and demonized because human beings are just really insecure and um and scared of what they don't know anything about. And it's shameful that someone has taught fear instead of curiosity.
Right? It is it is shameful that we have been taught to fear the things instead of being curious about its existence and what it means and curious about how that happens and what is your experience like and how does life show up for you.
You know, it's really crazy what would happen if you just asked questions instead of making assumptions about people that were different than you.
Right?
So again, I'm going to uh I'm going to go back to what the conversation has been about, which is about Jesus desiring for us to um um designed for us to vote for progressives. Okay.
Um, hey, good morning.
So, you know what? I don't think that love has to be taught. I think that love already exists.
I think that love exists and I think fear is used to um to kind of minimize the the love. Y'all, Curry's not even in here anymore. Curry. Uh, I took care of Curry. Curry can't even Curry couldn't talk back if he wanted to.
Like, real talk.
Well, BD9, um, let's talk about it.
I I I sent you an invitation BD9 if you would if you would like to talk about it.
You know, listen folks, nobody is trying to convince you to be part of the LGBTQIA community.
Okay.
Nobody's trying to convince you to be part of the community and nobody's even trying to coni to convince you to agree that God's okay with it. What we're telling you is that it's none of your business and you do not have the right to limit their rights because of something you don't agree with. Your rights end where their rights ex where their rights begin. It's not that difficult.
And for everybody that is black and brown, I'm going to tell you right now, your feelings about LGBTQIA individuals is uh exactly like white people's uh view of black and brown people in the 40s, 50s, and 60s, right? You don't want them in your bathrooms. They didn't want us in your classrooms. You don't want us on your TV. They didn't want us on the TV. So much so that they literally picked white people and painted them black and brown so that you wouldn't be on their TV.
Yeah. You are now part of the oppressing.
And for black and brown people that believe that you are pro Pali and you're saying you don't understand how Israel has now, you know, become um Ashkanazi Jews that will now commit a genocide against Palestine. You are now a black and brown person that is committing bigotry against another group of people.
Hold up the mirror.
Look at the plank instead of somebody else's moat.
Just pointing that out.
Okay. So just to level let me let me reset for everybody um why I think this conversation is so necessary.
Okay. Um because what I see a lot from people who are supportive of the Republican party, supportive of this administration um and um and that sort of thing. Most of the people that I see are saying that they are conservative, that they are Christian. And so that means we have to have a conversation about religion and Jesus Christ, right? Uh thank you. I appreciate that, JBird. Right. We have to have a conversation about your Christianity because your Christianity is who you say you are. And what I would say is Jesus Christ, the person that Christianity is supposed to be modeled after, would not agree to vote the way you're voting. he would desire for you to vote for progressives. And that's simply based on his example of how he lived his life and the things that he taught in scripture.
Right, Marilyn? Yeah, I hear you 100%.
Oh, thanks. Right.
Um, okay. Lisa, I don't know if my subscribers that have requested are requesting to balance out the panel or if you guys are requesting to come up on the panel. So, help me out.
Help me out so I know.
Balance. Thank you, Redot.
Oh, really?
Okay. So, Dr. Galt, let me say this to you. If you are um if you are intending to join my panel, then you're going to need to be able to follow the guidelines in this room, which means you're not going to interrupt me and talk over me, and you're going to remain respectful, and you're not going to use slurs of any kind. Um because if you're not able to do that, I'm not going to entertain you as long as I did the last time.
Good morning, Connie. So, I just want you to understand that I'm not entertaining you today. So, you just need to be able to follow those guidelines. Okay? So I'm just giving you kind of a advanced I'm preparing you so that you so that you know what is expected right so you won't be surprised.
It is 11:55.
Um and folks remember today is Wednesday so that means I have a hard stop in 1 hour from now. 1 hour is all I have left. Um, good morning Dr. G. How are you?
>> Good. I'm actually thinking we might like to agree on this uh topic.
>> Okay.
>> So, um, when you say Jesus would want you to vote for progressives, >> are you saying that Jesus would want the state to provide people positive rights?
>> What What do you mean positive rights?
>> Yeah. So like a positive right would be like everybody deserves food and the government ought to provide its citizens food.
>> Well, I don't know if we're talking about on a state level or a federal level, but if you if you're asking me, do I believe that um Jesus would want us to be able to feed people and not let people go hungry, the answer would be yes, >> right? I agree with you. But um when you call it a right uh are you saying that the government is granting you the right or other individuals are or like nature?
>> I don't I don't I didn't use the word right.
>> Um well would want you to vote progressive. I thought you said that you were talking about rights. No >> you say people have the right to do stuff.
>> I didn't I never said people have the right to do anything.
>> Okay. Well you I and I apologize. Maybe I misheard you. Weren't you talking about before about like people should have rights in this country like different sets of minority groups and whatnot?
>> No.
>> Okay. So when you say vote for progressives, like what would you want the progressives to do then?
>> So when I say that Jesus would want you to vote for progressives, that is based on what progressives uh typically support, right? Um, so and and I'm looking at Jesus's life, the way that Jesus lived, um, and the example that Jesus set, right? So with regard to health care, for example, or feeding people, right? Um what we know is that um Jesus um did not place conditions on feeding people or giving people um access to health care. You know what I mean? It wasn't um a condition. It wasn't tied to whether or not they had an employment or not. Um it wasn't, you know, required for them to capitulate to anything else, you know. And so, yeah, so that's what I mean. This is so by Jesus's example and Jesus's teachings, the way that Jesus lived his life, right? I believe that Jesus's example aligns with um progressive policies and and the leanings, right, in terms of things like universal health care or access to affordable health care, right? things that are not statusbased and uh and taking care of the elderly and feeding people and you know those types of things.
>> Okay, got it. So your position is that the state should provide we'll just say rights for like food. So if somebody doesn't have food, you're saying that the state should provide them food because it's their right to have food. So what I'm saying is that Jesus would support progressives who desire for people to eat, for people to be fed. So things that I have not said, I have not said anything about what states should or shouldn't do and people having a right to anything else.
So like I I'm not sure how like what I'm saying is you are hearing that out of what I'm saying.
>> Well, I think there's two different types of progressives and that's where I was trying to get clear I guess a definition like do you think that as a progressive the state should ensure those rights are met or do you think that individuals in the market should voluntary exchange exchange and the right should be met that way?
>> Yeah. So what I believe is that progressives across the board um believe that we should collectively whether it's on a state or federal level right on a local level even um that we should proactively desire for the people in our community especially the children and the elderly uh to be able to eat right and there's a lot of different ways in which that is implemented, right? So there's a lot of different mechanisms under which that policy can be met and in different ways and different shapes of form, right? So um yes, I'm not I'm not talking about specific policies and implementations cuz that would look different from one state and one form of government to the next. What I'm saying is that progressives desire to um not limit how people get help, right? And uh and how people are able to have their most basic needs met. And so that would mean that would be something that Jesus would support.
>> Okay. So I guess for me as a progressive I believe that individuals in in the marketplace. We'll progress society better if the government does not intervene at all. You as a progressive want the government to intervene then.
Correct.
>> I didn't say anything about the government intervening.
>> Okay. So well do you want the government to intervene?
>> Yeah. But so like that's not that's not like so you like to talk about um like you're like what the question that you're asking isn't part of the conversation.
>> What I mean it's philosophical. It's totally part of the conversation.
>> No.
>> Why wouldn't it not be part of the conversation? Because the conversation is the conversation is would Jesus want you to vote for progressives. Not whether Jesus would want a state to intervene or not intervene. The conversation is Jesus would want you to vote for progressives. That's the conversation.
>> Sure. Okay. Well, can you point to me a scripture then that would say that Jesus would want a progressive government intervening and making sure people are fed?
>> Well, I didn't say that.
Well, you said we should vote for progressives.
>> I said Jesus I said Jesus would want you to vote for progressives.
>> But progressives, as you define it, want positive rights.
>> When did I when did I define progressives?
>> Okay. Well, maybe you can give me your definition then.
>> Well, but I'm asking you when did I define progressives? Because you said that I did define it.
>> Yeah. You said we should desire a state that makes sure people have food, have access to it.
>> Nope, it's not what I said.
>> Okay, but then give me your definition again.
>> Yeah. So, what I said is that Jesus would desire um us as people in this country, right? To feed people and take care of them, right? The same way that he did. And this is not difficult to imagine that this is something that he would support because it's literally what he did, right? So Jesus literally um went around and he fed people and he healed people and he met people's needs, right? And and so and he did it unconditionally.
He wasn't asking in it. He wasn't um he wasn't requiring um anything of people in order to make that happen. And so yeah, so Jesus would support feeding people and he would support a society that desires to take care of people.
>> Okay. Yeah. So I'll grant you that. So you're just saying an individual went around and provided charity to people.
That doesn't align with the progressives today that I think you're asking us to vote for, though. Those progressives, >> who did I ask you to vote for? Uh, it says Jesus would want you to vote.
You're making an argument that Jesus would want me to vote for the progressives today, >> right? I said Jesus would want you to vote for progressives. I didn't say >> Okay. And I'm saying he wouldn't because he was an individual that went around and gave charity. Progressives want to go around and take things from people arbitrarily and give it to other people on a whim for political gain. I don't think Jesus would support that.
Well, here's what I would say is that um using your example, right, using your example, what we know is that conservatives um take things from people and give it to other groups of people. And what I think is that Jesus would rather us take from one group of people and feed people than to take from one group of people so that other people can buy bigger yachts.
>> Okay. So you're just saying that the conservatives are wrong and Jesus would justify a different kind of stealing.
>> Yeah. So it's not stealing. And you know, we had this conversation the other day. You believe that the tax system is stealing. And so those are the cho those are the words that you like to use and and I told you that's not an argument that I'm not going to have with you.
>> Um okay.
>> So stealing if you give it to somebody who doesn't need it.
>> So again, >> you like to think of taxes as stealing, right? That's your word that you love to use. And I've already told you that that's not even part of this conversation.
Well, I mean, it kind of is because if you're saying that people should take money from other people at a whim to give it to >> I didn't say at a whim.
>> That's not what Jesus did.
>> I never said at a whim.
>> I never said at a whim.
>> Well, Jesus didn't tax people, did he?
>> Again, I never said at a whim.
>> Okay. I'm just saying Jesus never said never taxed anybody. I don't think he ever advocated for redistribution or taxation. In fact, he was an individual that went around like you had stated and helped people.
>> Yeah. But Christianity, so again, Christianity is based off of the example that he gave us, right? So the example that he gave us is for us all to live our lives in that manner and right that we should the things that we create, we would want to exhibit those qualities.
Right.
Right. So Dr. God, are you a Christian?
>> No, I'm actually not. I'm an atheist.
>> Okay. Gotcha. Gotcha. So, would you say that when Jesus took two loaves of two loaves of bread and five fish and he redistributed it to feed everybody at the mount? Would that be an example of redistribution?
>> No. That would be an example of an individual providing charity.
>> No. He redistributed those those two loaves of bread and those and those five fish belong to someone else >> and he took them and then he redistributed them >> to everybody else. Yes.
>> How did he take it from that other person?
>> I mean he did steal it or did the person voluntarily get >> Well, you like the word steal.
>> Um Okay. So when he went to the person to get the loaves of bread, did he ask him for it or did he just take them?
Right. So if you had two loaves of bread and I walked in your house and somebody else needed them.
>> So Dr. Nobody is walking into your house and stealing something from you.
>> I'm not saying they are. I'm saying example.
>> So again Dr. G.
So let me ask this question. If you're not a Christian, why do you care what Jesus would do? And how would you know?
>> Uh, well, I mean, I've read the Bible.
Actually, I'm currently reading the Bible. And, um, >> yeah, but reading the Bible, but reading the Bible and being a Christian are two different things.
>> Yeah. Well, let me finish answering the question. Um, I usually fundamentally align with Christians. I think that they have a good moral system and I think they're typically good people. So, um, yeah, I don't have a problem with Christianity. Actually, >> based on what?
>> Based on >> What do you mean based on what?
>> You said that.
>> You said that typically Christians are good people. What's that based on?
>> Yeah, I mean it's based on where their morality comes from and where they believe in natural rights. Um, I do believe in self ownership. Most Christians believe in self ownership.
>> No, but I'm asking I'm asking what statistics do you have? Like what on what basis do you draw the conclusion that Christians are typically good people?
Because like historically speaking, >> well, no, because historically speaking, historically speaking, some of the most atrocious things ever done in the world and in this country were done by Christians and many times in the name of Christianity.
>> Yeah. I mean, those people are irrational and they were using something that's good in the name of something that's bad. I don't disagree with you and there's probably a lot of people that do that. But that doesn't mean that it it's just a contradiction to their belief system and bad individual enactors.
>> Yeah. But so again though, right, like but you're saying that most Christians are good people. What is that based on?
>> Yeah. I mean uh when I say that most of them are good people is when they align when they actually align with Christianity. How do you know if they do or they don't?
>> Uh I'm sorry, what?
>> How do you know if people do or don't align? Like you're making this you're making a statement that is very assumptive.
>> Yeah. Usually when I like talk to them, I get to know them and I understand they're like a rational agent then.
Yeah. And >> so out of the two out of the two billion Christians in this country about how many do you think you've talked to?
Uh I I don't I usually don't do surveys when I talk to people.
>> Well, but you said that you talk to people and you you you get you get to know them and so Yeah. So I'm asking you >> well I fun I mean I have a general understanding of the ideology or the belief system and I agree with it and people who follow it I think I generally you know if they follow it in good faith not an irrational actor then they're generally good people.
>> Yeah. But so you do understand that Christianity doesn't require what you're talking about. So like Romans 10:es 9 and 10 is the only thing that's required to be Christian.
>> I'm not saying there's a requirement to be Christian. I'm just saying people who typically >> But you're saying lying.
>> But what you're saying is that people that did some of the things that that that you know we know that Christians have done that they're not real Christians. And my point is that Christianity says you don't get to make that determination.
>> Well, I'm not saying that they're not real Christians.
>> Well, you did. You said they were >> No, I said they're irrational actors, >> right? Who then you said weren't actual Christians.
>> Uh, if I said that, I misspoke. I'm just saying they're irrational actors and they're doing irrational things.
>> Right. And again, historically speaking, there's been a whole hell of a lot of that um by Christians in this country and all around the world. So I think when you say that most Christians are good people, it's kind of anecdotal and not based on any any actual like fact or >> you know what, host, I'll grant you that. That's fine. Um, you know what?
You're you're probably right given the data of how negative Christians have been. Um, actually, as an atheist, I'll grant you that. So what you're saying is that because like the religion itself has been abhorent and has caused many deaths and done horrible things, we should reject it, right?
>> So no, what I'm saying is that Jesus Christ, not necessarily the man-made religion of Christianity, right?
>> Jesus Christ would align with the majority of the foundational principles that progressives agree on.
>> Okay. But if Christianity is abhorentt and bad as you said, then why would why would we listen to Jesus?
>> Well, because Jesus Christ is not Christianity.
>> Uh well, you have to believe in Jesus to believe in Christianity. No, >> it doesn't mean Well, no. Christianity is the name of the man-made religion.
>> The man-made religion.
>> All religions are man-made.
>> So, isn't just Jesus man-made then?
>> No. We have historical proof that Jesus lived.
>> Yeah, but we don't have proof that he's actually a Christian if Christianity is >> Well, he wasn't a Christian. Jesus was a Palestinian Jew.
>> Oh, okay. Um, so if he was a Jew, then isn't just the same thing apply to that religion?
>> No, >> because he converted. He left Judaism.
>> Okay.
>> Mhm.
>> But, uh, are you saying that he's not man-made? like uh his ideology, not the person.
>> Okay. So again, religion, right, man-made, >> I agree.
>> Jesus who lived and walked the earth, right? Who we have documented proof lived and walked the earth, right? Um and we have documented uh historical about how he lived when he was on the earth, right? Then yeah, that's what we're that's what we're basing this on is how he lives.
>> Well, he he lived based on Christianity.
No, >> no, Christianity is based on his life.
>> Um, okay.
>> And only certain parts of it, right? So literally, so literally like Paul wrote the majority of the New Testament.
>> Paul did.
>> Yeah. Jesus is everything in red letters. Um, and so yeah. No. So, so this is the important part is Christianity is based on Jesus's existence. Jesus >> Jesus did not live based on Christianity because Christianity didn't exist until after Jesus was gone.
>> Okay. So, you're not saying religion in itself is man-made. You're just saying Christianity is >> Well, I'm saying all religions are man-made.
>> Okay. So, if all religions are man-made, then you're saying that the idea of Jesus being like, I don't know, the son of God is just not a real thing.
>> No, that's not for me to decide. I mean, that would be for me to decide for me, right?
>> Yeah. I'm asking you.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, but what I believe about Jesus isn't the subject because this is not about me and my belief as an individual in terms of how I live my life and what my faith is or what my faith isn't. the conversation is about how we know that Jesus lived his life, right? And so for Yeah. So, so most of the people >> um that um so this is this would be the question for people that say um you know, Christian, conservative, whatever, right? And uh and they're voting Republican or they're voting um and they support this administration or whatever. Um, so the question would be for me is how does that align with the Christianity part? Because to be a Christian literally means to be a follower of Jesus Christ of the example that he gave and the lessons that and the and the lessons that he taught and they don't align with the values and the policies of Republican party or you know MAGA party whatever.
>> Okay. Yeah, we agree. So, I guess what you're saying, just to summarize, that we should follow Jesus, but not a man-made uh belief system because that man-made belief system is abhorentt and bad.
>> I didn't tell anybody not to follow Christianity.
>> Um, okay. Well, we shouldn't believe in it cuz it's a bad and like did so many bad things.
>> I didn't say that.
>> Well, I'm asking you.
>> No. So, here's the thing. You said most Christians were good. I ask you what you base that off of because historically speaking, some of the most atrocious things that have been done in the country and around the world were done by Christians. Never did I say that people should not follow Christianity because that's not for me to judge.
>> Right? I think that people should follow their faith and I so like I'm not someone that wants to dictate to anyone what they should or shouldn't believe.
>> Got it. Maybe I got confused because I said the reason I said that is I generally believe what their system like they're uh what they believe in. Um so you're not saying that Christianity is bad. You're just saying there's a lot of Christians that are bad.
>> What I'm saying is that your statement that most Christians are good isn't based on anything for it to be an accurate statement, which you agreed with because I said it was anecdotal.
Yeah, sure. I granted you that. And I guess I'm just circling back and trying to understand if you're just saying that uh majority of Christians may be good or bad. But are you saying that the belief system is good or bad or do you not have an opinion on that?
>> Yeah. I think that other people have to determine that for themselves. I don't tell people what to believe.
>> I'm asking you your opinion on it.
>> Right. But again, what did I just say to you? That my opinion on belief systems isn't relevant to the conversation.
>> Okay. So you just you just don't want to answer if you think Christianity is good or bad.
>> No, it's not relevant to the conversation.
>> Well, I mean it is if you're telling people >> No, it's not. What's relevant to the conversation is how Jesus Christ lived his life and how people who say they are Christians are supporting policies and politicians that do not represent the teachings of Jesus.
>> Well, the teachings of Jesus would be Christianity. No. No.
>> What would it be then?
>> Yeah. So the teachings of Jesus would be what he said we should do and be right.
So like so like the first two No. So like the first two Christianity says a lot of different things especially depending upon whatever denomination you practice. There's hundreds of denominations of Christianity. So Christianity can say different things depending upon what type of Christianity you practice. Right? So, if you're a United Methodist that practices Christianity, you might be totally fine with um LGBTQIA people and uh and Black Lives Matter and women pastors and preachers and you now if you're a different kind of Christian, you might not be okay with those things and you might um believe that you shouldn't work on the Sabbath and you might believe that women shouldn't be um pastors and preachers. Like there's many different versions of Christianity, which is why I said that Christianity is man-made because there's hundreds and hundreds of denominations, right? So the question isn't about Christianity. The question is about the teachings in the life of Jesus Christ and the example that he gave us, right? So that's the question.
>> Sure. And the example is that individuals should provide charity to other individuals. Right. So the example is that Jesus would desire for us to vote for people because we created a system in a society, right? And so Jesus would desire for that system since we have free will and the ability to create whatever we want would be a system that would emulate what he showed us was the way to live. Right? If Jesus So, so if you're So, if you're a Christian and um and you believe that um that Jesus was infallible, that Jesus was perfect, and he gave us the best example possible to follow, and that Jesus also gave you uh dominion over the earth to create whatever it is that you desire, then he would want you to create a system that emulated his perfection, which was in fact desiring to feed people. And if we are going to do that within the um within the construct of the government that we've created, right, then he would want you to vote for people whose policies would do that.
>> Well, so I guess my perspective on it is if we did have a perfect world where everybody did follow Jesus, then individuals would do as you're saying and we wouldn't even need a state because um if everybody acted like Jesus, then why would you even need a state?
>> But that's not what I said >> to steal. I'm I'm say that. I'm making an argument back against you.
>> Right? But you understand that here's the here's the thing. We're not talking about what people are doing as an individual. Right? That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about how we apply the examples of Jesus Christ in the governmental system that we have created.
And so what we would want >> said individuals should do it.
>> No, Jesus didn't say.
So again, I just said by Jesus's example, right? That's what I said. And so this is what I this is what I said.
So follow me. This is what I said is that we have free will to create whatever we want. We created a governmental system. That's what we created. And so what Jesus would want us to do, anything that we create, anything that we make happen, anything that we design, we would want to implement the attributes and to represent the attributes of Jesus Christ in the way that he showed us to live. So for example, if that were going to be our education system, then Jesus would want that education system to be available to all people, right? from the leper to whoever Jesus would want that system to be uh inclusive um for the lame and the sick as well as the healthy and the whatever because that is the example that he gave us. So that's what he would want that system to include. Right? If we're talking about health care, then Jesus would want a system that was available to everyone that wasn't conditional that didn't have a tax to go along with it or or a co-ay right um because he didn't require that. Jesus didn't require anything of any anyone to give them the healing that they desired.
And so in any system or any structure um in any institution that we would design um and that we would partake of that we would help build then we would want that to be modeled after the example that he gave us.
So, do you think Jesus would want an individual to take from another individual so another individual can have something or do you think Jesus would just want individuals to give to one another like he did?
>> Yeah. So again, right, I just gave you a very clear answer.
>> You can't answer that question >> because because what you want is because because you want to make this about taking and taking and taking, right? And you're not talking about the systems.
I'm literally talking about the systems, right? Because the because the conversation isn't about what individual people do in their individual lives.
>> The conversation is the conversation is about the conversation is what would Jesus desire for us to implement in our government and in our policies and in our systems and our institutions all over the place. And what we know is that he would want those things to represent his attributes and the way that he lived. Whether that is in education, whether that is in finance, whether that is in healthcare, whether is that whether that is in whatever, right?
>> No, I think he would not want I think he would say we shouldn't even need those systems because people should just do it out of desire and out of faith and out of believing in him. Well, I don't have anything that says that Jesus would would say that >> because I don't think that Jesus I don't think that Jesus told anyone else to go do what he was doing.
>> I'm I'm not saying that he told he would want he would want people if you're saying that he would want people to vote progressive.
>> Um I'm just simply and he and there's nothing he said to go vote for a state that's gonna do this like you're claiming. Um but what I'm saying is based on how he lived he would want other people to do the same thing that he did which is charity and through good faith not requiring >> but so by that standard but so by that standard then what should have happened is then Jesus would have told everybody there to go get up on the cross because that's what he did >> but he didn't do that self-sacrifice reads sacrifice >> well because that's what Jesus did for everybody else >> uh right So, so see, so Jesus didn't Jesus did not ask everybody to do what he did because what Jesus understood was that people are individuals and not everybody has the same walk. Not everybody has the same per not everybody has the same purpose. Not everybody has the same life to live, right? And so Jesus knew what Jesus's purpose was. And Jesus's purpose was to give us the most perfect example. Jesus knew that man wasn't perfect and was never going to be perfect ever, right? And so Jesus said, "Do your best, right? But you have free will to do with it whatever you would want." So he laid it out. So it like if Jesus desired for us to do exactly what he did, then he could have just made us that way, right? But that's not what he did. Jesus said, "You have free will.
>> Would you be okay if I like walked in your house and took the food out of your fridge and gave it to a starving child?"
What?
>> And again, what does that have to do with this conversation?
>> Well, cuz you're saying that Jesus would want us to go around and make sure people had things like >> That's not what I said.
>> Oh, okay. Then what does he want then?
>> I literally just explained it to you.
And for example, And for example, so like so well the greatest commandment.
So Jesus gave two commandments that he said were the greatest commandments above all, right? Um, and the greatest commandments above all, the first one is to love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, with all thy soul, with all thy mind. And the second is to love thy neighbor as thyself. And he also says, and he says that all the laws, all the other laws and all the other prophets rest on those two commandments, right?
So if I love my neighbor as a, so if I love my neighbor as myself, right? and we have a system that exists out there, right? I would want my neighbors to get the same benefit from those systems that I do because I love my neighbor as I love myself, right? So, I would not want So, I would not want to have a government that gave me privileges over someone else. I would want that that government to give everyone equal access to the same things that I have because that is what Jesus said.
>> Okay. So equal access. You're saying that you would want the >> Hold on. Give me one second. I'm not going away, but give me one second. Hold on. I have to do something.
Um, okay. I'm back. So, again, Jesus would want our Why did it say this? One second.
Well, that's going to be what it's going to be. Um, so again, right, this isn't a difficult concept. I think the only reason you desire to to make it seem difficult is because you specifically want to talk about what you believe to be the theft of your things for other people, which you see as charity for other people. And that is your personal belief that you have which has zero to do with Jesus and how Jesus lived and what Jesus would desire of us.
>> Okay. Did Jesus take things from people and give it to other people involuntarily?
>> We've already answered this.
>> Well, no, you haven't. You've actually avoided this question. You like >> No, I haven't avoided any question because it's not relevant to the conversation.
It is just answer that. Did Jesus take things involuntarily from people?
>> So again, well, you said you're reading the Bible, so keep reading. You'll figure it out.
>> Well, can you just answer my question?
>> Well, you know what? Here's what I here's what I find. I find that when people read the scripture for themselves, right? They get a greater understanding than if someone just feeds them things. So, what I would say is you read the Bible and you draw your conclusions.
>> Okay. Well, I think it's voluntary, not involuntary.
>> Well, I mean, that would be that would be up to you, which is why go this is why God gave you free will.
>> Okay, sounds good. Well, it sounds like we can agree to disagree, but thanks for having me up, Danny. I appreciate your time.
>> Yeah, you're welcome as always.
>> Yep.
>> All right. Thanks for being respectful to me, and hopefully I was respectful back.
>> Yep. You're welcome.
>> Have a great day.
>> You, too. Bye. Bye.
>> Um, all right. Deep breaths. So, um, let me see if I can do something real quick. Give me one moment.
Yeah. So listen, the thing that I would like to kind of offer you guys, okay, is first and for foremost to remember not to take anything personal, right? So what I understand when um when Dr. G comes up, I understand that he has a p a specific thing that he wants to get to, right? And if I'm not willing to go in the direction that he wants to go, then he's going to keep circling around and trying to come back to that thing. And I know that about that. I know I know that about him. And so for me, I am going to make sure that we stay on the topic um and not go everywhere that he might desire to go, right? Um because what he wants to talk about Yeah. He always says that. So what he wants to talk about isn't the subject of the conversation, right? It's just not. And because it's not, I'm not engaging in it. And that doesn't mean anything other than I'm not engaging in it. That's that's literally all it means. Um so um yeah.
Okay. Okay, give me one second because this is what I need to do.
I guess that's what I'm choosing.
Give me one second, folks. I just got to do this real quick.
Why doesn't it give me It's not giving me an option.
Well, sorry guys. Just be patient with me real quick, please.
Well, sorry. One one moment.
It's okay, y'all. It will be all right.
Oh, can I?
Okay, but Oh, thank you. Thank you.
Thank you. I finally found the answer that I'm looking for. Sorry.
There we go.
Okay.
This is important, guys. So, give me one second.
Y'all doing okay, folks?
All right.
Okay, I'm done.
All right, folks. So, breathe. It's okay. It's all right.
Y'all like my ASMR on the on the on the keyboard? Yes, I know. All right. So, um, good morning, Stacy. Yeah. So, deep breaths, everyone. Um again, um yeah, we're all good. All right.
Okay. So, I need to double check and see if Coco intended to request up if Sandbaby, if Renee, if Bod, if um I am so confused by some of the profiles that are in here. Okay. So, folks, listen.
When I bring you up to the panel, do me a favor and put yourself on mute until I get to you. Um, and I will go in the order in which I hit the buttons. Okie dokie, people.
Um, it just shifted.
It's okay, Coco. No worries, Coco said.
I did not mean to request that. No worries.
Um, I think sometimes people have accidentally hit this thing and they didn't actually mean to request up.
That is what I think. Uh, Rosa, we talked about it yesterday and uh, hey Indigo Willa. Um, thanks. Laugh it out. Um, I swear I have hit the button for like four or five people and uh, it just hasn't worked yet.
Give me one second, people.
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>> I'm good. How are you doing?
>> I'm fantastic. Uh so what would you what would you like to say?
>> First, um I do uh really appreciate your approach to this. Um I like your rules.
um certainly will reciprocate that energy because I think we need more of of that type of dialogue to really kind of get to the the root of what some of these issues are rather than just talking over each other, yelling at each other, insulting each other. So, big ups on that.
>> Um I do agree with something that you said where um we over complicate things and we really do. Um, I have three sons and one of the the easiest ways for me to really kind of try to understand, you know, like understand God, his relationship with us, you know, we call him the father, um, is is through being a parent, like if you have children, let's just say you have two children, and one of them does something for the other sibling out of the kindness of their heart, like they just love their brother, so they give them, say, half of a of of a candy bar that they got, you know, that's something That always warms our hearts as parents. We're like, "Oh, they love their brother." Like, that is beautiful. But when we come in and we say, "Hey, I want you to give half your candy bar to your brother." And they do that, there's really a a neutral.
There's there there's no feeling to that. There's nothing that says uh that makes you feel warm and there's no there's no love there. It's a transaction. And the the child that gets that extra piece of the candy bar now, they're really happy with you as the parent because you made it happen. But the other one's a little bit jaded towards you now. they're a little bit like, "Why'd you make me do that?" Like, "I didn't want to." And then conversely, if now the next time the other sibling has a candy bar and you do the same thing for the other sibling, now the one that was pleased with you is now a bit jaded um by the decision that you made.
So, you get this um this fickle kind of a relationship in that. Now, as people when we when when God asks us to give, whether it's tithing or whatever it may be, he wants a cheerful giver. He does not want us to to be performance-based like that child that did something for out of the kindness of their their heart for their sibling, you know, that pleases us. But when it's transactional, when it's something where it's like they're doing something to give, like I'm going to do this for God because I don't want to go to hell or I'm going to do this for God because I want points, you know, or you know, things from, you know, I want God to do something for me.
when it gets to that point, then you're you're losing sight of the the the the the relationship as it's been designed for us to have with him. And so when you get to things like, you know, like in your comment here where it says, um, he would want us to vote for progressives.
Now, God really doesn't concern himself too much with voting. He live Jesus lived under Caesar. Okay? And and as you know, in the end when he was crucified, Pilate himself said, "I find no fault in this man." Jesus never once crossed Caesar. He even said, "Render to Caesar what is Caesar. Render to gods what is God." So, we have to stop um kind of involving, you know, the the the Lord into our our our politics and whatnot.
It's like being the president of the United States and then being concerned with HOA elections. You know, that the the kingdom of our God and in this world is so far beneath what he's here to do and what his true interests are that when we start saying he'd like us to vote this way or vote that way, he just wants to change our hearts. He wants to till the soil of our souls and and and change our hearts. And in changing our hearts, then we start to make true progress with one another. Like where we truly can love our neighbor and love our brothers and and do those things out of kindness of our hearts to where we won't see some of the the issues that we see where people want to, you know, hoard everything to themselves and not give to others because they're judging others for being lazy or being, you know, having mental health problems or being uh, you know, whatever their issue may be. You know, when you go to my church, like, you know, we have people that tithe not just their 10% but more than that because they know that, you know, we where where that those funds are going to help other people. But when we start to truly follow Jesus and understand who Jesus was and what he truly wants from us and how he wants us to to interact with one another, the hearts will change in ways where those needs will be met, but they won't be forced. That's the whole beauty of the free will is that I am freely giving to someone there. No government's making me do this and I am never going to be jaded towards my God or towards my government or towards whatever because I'm doing this because I want to and nobody can make me not give it. Nobody can make me give it. And that's true free will. And that's why God gives us this free will is because, you know, without that, like I said with that that analogy with the children and the candy bars, one's going to be happy with you, one's going to be upset. Then the next go around that one will be upset with you, the other one will be happy. Now, it's just at that point, what do we really is that even really a relationship? You can't have one that way. And so, you know, that's that's really all I wanted to say because, you know, I I do see this a lot like Jesus would want us to vote one way or the other, but you know, he never even crossed Caesar living under Caesar.
All the places where he moved was all ruled under Caesar. People said, "Oh, Jesus was an immigrant because he moved from from um Nazareth over to Egypt." Or that was all ruled by Caesar. He never once crossed a out of a out of a boundary. He was always under Caesar and he had his beasts with the tax collectors. He had his beasts with, you know, the way people were doing things.
But in the end, when Pilate himself says, "I find no fault in this man, you know, you know, he just basically said, "Hey, this is the government we live under." And Paul says in the Bible, we're supposed to respect the the laws of our nations. We're supposed to, you know, pay our taxes. We're supposed to to to do those things because that's rendered to Caesar. But when it comes to God, he separates himself. He says, "Get to Caesar. What is Caesar? Get to God what is God's." He's like, he's not wanting competition there because on earth, he's like, "This earth is going to do things wrong, do things right, but at the end of the day, like, you know, our relationship with him is how we navigate through those things." But ultimately, what he's telling us in that is, hey, you're going to live under some laws and you're going to abide by those because I don't want to see you in prison. I don't want to see you having strife and struggle in your life that that is brought on by, you know, your defiance with a in conflict with a nation that you cannot truly control.
But the things you can control, your behaviors, your your your your heart, your minds, your your thoughts towards me and your thoughts towards your neighbors and your brothers and all all that, those things there is what truly matters in my eyes. So just play the game because you're going to have to and you know, I don't want you to to take on any more than you than you need to, you know. So, you're going to play that game the way I did. Jesus played that same game. And he did say, "Pick up your c, take up your cross, and follow me." We are to act as Jesus did. You know, we're we're always going to fall short. You know, you're always going to be uh less than Jesus or you wouldn't need Jesus.
The only way to get to heaven is to be as pure and as as perfect as Jesus, right? So, we're all damned to hell if you think of it that way. But then he came and he died so that we could be forgiven. So if we were to be, you know, if if we weren't going to be hypocrites and we were going to be perfect, we wouldn't need Jesus Jesus to die. We could have made it into heaven on our own. And so, you know, when you look at the whole scenario, the whole the whole way that the Bible is written and all the stories and and everything from Paul, Paul was the the chief prosecutor and murdering and of of Christians. And then in a three-day period, he now took his talents that he used to prosecute Christians. He took those same talents and and and and redirected them towards bringing people to Christ and wrote, you know, twothirds of the Bible. Okay? So, hearts can change, minds can change, but it's up to us to be diligent about seeking the face of God, seeking Jesus, learning who Jesus was and what he truly is asking of us. And I promise you, you and I or anyone will never have to have an argument or a conversation about taking care of other people and and wanting to give and and have more of of of that type of a of a of a world because it will just be freely given that way. But until then, if you start trying to say government, you know, you need to vote progressive so that other governments can start taking from people and giving to other people, you're just going to create more of that dissension.
Thanks for listening or uh and giving me the floor. I appreciate that.
>> Yeah. So, uh Terry, she she didn't mean it like that, Terry.
That's not what she meant. Um No, Coco's friendly, guys. She didn't mean it like that.
Okay. So, um I think what's always important No, it's okay. Yeah, I knew what she meant. Um Okay. So, a couple of things that I always think is important is that when we start to use scriptures, context is incredibly important, right?
Um, and because when we take pieces from here and pieces from here and pieces from here, it's very easy to create a narrative that supports uh our position on a on a on a particular issue, right?
Um, and one of the reasons why I was very um, specific in the in the title for this live when I said Jesus would want you to vote for progressives is because I don't really I'm not talking about the Apostle Paul. I'm not talking about what the Apostle Paul did before and after his conversion from Saul to Paul. I'm not asking about what he wrote to um to, you know, the the Corinthians or anyone else. I'm specifically talking about Jesus's desire for us, right? So, how would he desire for us to be not only as individuals, but in everything that we create, right? So, um I'll start with your example um about the children.
So, not only do I have two children, I have three grandchildren.
And I actually don't run into the scenario that you described. Um when um in in in when my grandchildren if one of them comes home from school and they got candy from school or whatever and um and they ask to share or I say, "Hey, can you give your sister half of that?"
There isn't any resentment. Um as a matter of fact, they will oftentimes offer to each other. Um I have even been so my so my second grandchild has um she was born at one pound three ounces and so um so she OC's in specialist and things like that. So, if I take her to the doctor, which I have done, and I say, "Hey, listen. Do you want to go get some ice cream out with tutu?" And she'll say, and she has said this very thing, "Well, can we can we wait when we go home and so you know, Mila and Dominic can get some too, right?" And so I think that if uh if our children are having resentment because they are being asked to share, that's not indicative of what must be. I think that that's indicative of a particular household and the way that household operates, right?
Because I don't have that um in my experience with my children and my grandchildren. I just don't. Um so that would be the first thing that I would say about that. Um, so and then when we talk about when when to to to go back to what you were saying when you're talking about, you know, God desires a cheerful giver, um, it's I really don't because I I really don't um I'm not a fan of when people take parts of scripture because that's not even the entire verse like in and of itself. That's literally like a a um a a dependent clause that's at the end of a sentence. Um and that entire section um of chapter uh of chapter 9 um in 2 Corinthians is about what kind of giver and what does um what what's being encouraged. And so when you start at verse 6 literally it's about encouraging generosity. And so that's encouraging generosity not just in us as individuals but in the things that we create. Right?
And so what it says is verse 6 starts and it says remember this whoever sws sparingly will also reap sparingly and whoever sws generously will also reap generously. Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give not reluctantly or under compulsion. For God does love a cheerful giver. Right?
And God is able to bless you abundantly so that in all things at all times having all that you need you will you will abound in every good work. As it is written they have freely scattered their gifts to the poor. Their righteousness endures forever. And so what would be true as an individual would be true of an entire system. Right? So what's good for one person is going to be good for a multitude of people. Right? And so if we the people are the government because the government is not some abstract thing. The government is not some some some AI generated um computer system that determines what we're all going to do.
The government is the people and it is the people that we have elected to represent the people. So if Jesus desires for us to be a gear a cheerful giver, if we are to uh scatter our gifts out to the poor, then that would mean even the members of Congress should be scattering the gifts of our country out to the poor, right? And God loves a cheerful giver. So we shouldn't be arguing about it on the floor of Congress. We shouldn't be arguing about whether or not people should get SNAP benefits or whether they should not get SNAP benefits because God loves a cheerful giver. And so that's not just as an individual, that's in everything that we make up. The government isn't abstract. The government is the people.
And so we should embody that whether we are as an individual or whether we embodying that in government, right? And that's just according to the scriptures that would that would that matters how you apply it. And then he goes on to say in verse 10, now he who supplies seed to the sewer and bread for food will also supply and increase your store of seed and will enlarge the harvest of your righteousness. You will be enriched in every way so that you can be generous on every occasion and through your generosity will result in thanksgiving to God. This service that you perform is not only supplying the needs of the Lord's people, but also is also overflowing in many expressions of thanks to God. Because of this service by which you have proved yourselves, others will praise God for the obedience that accompanies your confession of the gospel of Christ and for your generosity in sharing them and with everyone else.
And in their prayers, I didn't interrupt you, Demo.
>> I know, but >> No, there's no I know but. No, sir.
There's no I know but >> there's no I know but no sir. I absolutely let you monologue for as long as you wanted to monologue and you started this conversation by saying you were so grateful for the way that I run this platform and that you think this is the type of conversation that we need to have and then you're going to say I know but no sir it's not Demo it's not I know but you can put yourself back on mute.
Put yourself back on mute.
>> Put yourself back on mute.
>> I am >> No, sir. Listen. No. I didn't make you go on mute because you said you would respect me. Now you have not. So, you must put yourself back on mute or leave my panel. My respect.
>> You will you will put yourself back on mute or you will leave my panel. You will you will put yourself back on mute or leave my panel.
>> Choose.
>> Will I'm letting you speak without needing you.
>> Bye.
And that is the representative of his church.
that is the representative of his church.
And so what I would say is you might need to go have a little talk with Jesus because for all of that religion spewing that you just did, you could not give me basic respect that I asked you for from the beginning.
And that is why I said what Jesus would have you do, not what religion would have you do, not with what a church would have you do.
And you did not give me the floor without needing mute. If you had, you would not have interrupted me from the start.
And then when I put you on mute, you took yourself off mute and you don't get to run my house.
You don't run my house. Typical Christian. Typical Christian spout the Bible and cannot live as Christ asks.
Typical Christian quote scriptures, but the fruits of the spirit do not align.
And in case you don't know what these are, let me read them for you, okay?
Since you seem to not have it down. So it's Galatians chapter 5 verse start at verse 22. You ready? So five and 22 because this sir is what you don't get about the way that that this should work. All right. So, but the fruit of the spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and the last is my favorite devmo, self-control, also known as temperance in the King James version. And if you had self-control or temperance, you would still be on my panel. But you don't, sir.
If in case you're interesting interested, verse 26 says, "Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other."
Hey Penton.
So again, no but I do is I block disrespect and that would be you Demo.
That would be you.
This is why this is why you are a perfect demonstration, sir, of why people keep leaving the church.
You are a perfect reason why people keep leaving the church and why so many people keep saying there's no love like Christian hate. You are a perfect example of that.
So for me this is not difficult.
Okay. Um, I am going to set boundaries.
And when I set them, I am going to uphold them.
And when I uphold a boundary that you agreed to, you don't get to whine about it.
You don't get to cry. Oh, she muted my free speech. No, I didn't. I let you talk for a good ass long minute and I gave you boundaries.
Based on your example, I understand now why you say your children don't want to share because I see how their father behaves.
I am not surprised if your children hold a grudge when you make them share based on your behavior as their father.
Yeah, Scotty, I changed it. I don't have it now.
So folks, this is going to be my personal opinion, okay?
I believe that the church of today is very much like the Pharisees of old.
I believe that if Jesus walked into the vast majority of churches in this country, he would be flipping t tables.
He would be braiding whips.
I do because what I know for sure is he said the greatest commandment was love.
That's what he said.
loving God and loving your neighbor as yourself.
That's not only love the neighbor that looks like you. That's not only love the neighbor that loves like you. That's not love the the only love the neighbor that identifies like you. That's not love the the neighbor that that prays like you.
That's not love the the the only the neighbor that's in the same tax bracket.
That's not only love the neighbor if they let you keep the majority of your money. It's not love the neighbor as long as they stay on their side of the border.
That was not the stipulation.
There was no stipulation.
There was no stipulation.
One of the things that I get irritated about the most is the misuse of Christianity.
And the reason I get upset with it the most is because I know firsthand for sure what that feeling looks like, what that feeling feels like.
In case you don't get it now, God is love and love is God.
Jesus is love and love is Jesus.
And when you represent it as anything other than that, you're the one being ungodly. You're the one being blasphemous.
You're the one taking the Lord's name in vain to justify keeping your money, to justify keeping your privilege, to justify keeping your advantage.
And you know what? I think for some of you, those of you all that have trouble with this inclusion part, those of you that have trouble with the generosity part, I think maybe you do love your neighbor as yourself. And the problem is you just don't love yourself.
Not the way that God loves you.
Because you think loving yourself means having certain things, achieving certain things, having certain status, having certain success, having this job title, living in this neighborhood.
That's why you can't ever love yourself.
You don't even know who you are truly.
And you haven't cultivated, you haven't created yourself into a person you love being.
You don't even love being you.
And I know, do you know how I know that you don't love being you? Because when you love being you, you are automatically a generous giver. When you love being you and you love who you are, you are automatically a cheerful giver. You are automatically generous. You are automatically inclusive. You are automatically kind.
You are automatically gentle.
You know, no one can steal from you because what is meant for you is already yours.
And anything that someone takes will be will will be returned to you tenfold.
And by the way, everything that I have said has nothing to do with whether or not you consider yourself a Christian.
It has to do with do you follow the example that Jesus Christ led and talked about.
And anybody can do that.
Anybody can do that.
Do y'all not see the way the whole world responded to those monks?
Why do you think Why do you think people had such a visceral reaction to the monks walking?
Why do you think people wept?
Because it's been a long time since people have seen just self-sacrifice, just kindness, just peace, just putting it on display.
The energy is overwhelming.
We are absolutely desperate for it.
We are absolutely desperate for it.
But some of y'all got to hold on to your anger because if you let go of your anger, you just might succumb to your grief.
If you let go of your anger, you just might succumb to your grief.
You might have to weep for who you are not.
You might have to weep for who we are not as a society, as a country, as a government, as people.
You need to judge other people. You need to look down on other people so that you don't have to look at you.
If you're looking down at somebody else, you don't have to see yourself in the mirror.
If you are looking down on someone else, you never have to look yourself in the mirror.
It will never be people like Dr. G or Demo or this conversation around free market and enterprise and capitalism.
You will never convince me that that is the purpose of our existence.
You will never convince me that that is the purpose of our existence for I don't believe it.
I don't believe it.
I know better.
appreciate you.
And I will answer one question that was asked of me when you said, "Would I be angry if you came into my house and you stole something to give to someone else if I needed it?"
The answer would be no because I would just assume that they needed it more than I did.
The answer is no. They must have needed it more than I did.
And my needs will be met.
You all, the way that all of you all are are responding, Right?
That is how I believe the vast majority of people will respond.
If we just talk to each other if we just have real conversations.
I think most of us are craving craving connection with each other.
I think that people are craving connection with each other.
I hadn't intended I hadn't intended to share this today, but this morning I didn't sleep well last night, right?
I did not sleep well and I and I got up this morning and I got the girls ready and you know, we got out on time. and they, you know, they've got testing and all of that and I found myself in the car today.
Um because I I'm I set my intention this morning.
Um I used to have a really solid morning practice and somehow I let it get away from me because it became about getting everybody together and getting everybody ready and get all of those things right.
And um so even though I still had to do those things, I wanted to set my intention in my heart, right?
And um and so when we got to the car, I put I put my music on and I don't know how to explain it to you other than to say I felt it wasn't a weight at all. It wasn't a weight. It was just this welling up and just out of nowhere with just little singular tears coming out of my eyes.
And I wasn't sad.
I wasn't sad. I'm not sad.
Um, but it was this welling up and um I think that that's what that's why most of us don't want to get quiet. We don't want to sit.
We don't want to um No, like I said, it's not sad. It's not overwhelming. It's just a welling up, right? And I think most of us don't just don't want to sit with what we feel and allow ourselves to release.
Right?
Just release.
We don't want to do that.
It's all built up.
Um, one of the most powerful things I've ever experienced in my life, um, is just being in a circle where it's all quiet.
Yeah, you do that sometimes during a massage. Yep.
But being backtoback with someone when I um when I used to work with um with teenagers um and they would and they would write letters and they would journal um and they would share and if they had a a difficult time, I would just walk up to the room with them. I would turn around and I would put my back against that their back and I would just say, "Lean on me."
And there's something about that being there. You know what I mean?
Just having that support.
Yeah. Mama Dukes, I I changed it.
You and your husband do that. It's a great thing to do.
It's a great thing to do.
Yeah. So, um, folks, when I, uh, bring you up, please go ahead and put yourself on mute until I get to you. Pretty pretty please. Um, and I will get to you in just a minute.
Okay. Give me just a second.
Um.
Oops. I don't know what button I just hit.
Let's see.
Um, I'm trying, y'all.
No worries, Jennifer Fred.
Funny, funny, funny, funny.
Um, I don't know if some of you all have tapped your way into the chat because you're not normally folks that request.
Um, >> yeah. See, I just hit some some some somebody um cuz things shift when I'm over here scrolling.
Okay. Uh, what's up Jay Owen? How are you? Right. It shifts really easy.
>> Okay. So, Becky, do you know that uh that you requested up? Maryanne, do you know that you've requested up?
Yes.
>> Okay, perfect. Jay Owen, do you know that you request it up?
>> It does.
Nope. He doesn't know. And Becky doesn't know. I'm quite sure.
Um, all right, Maryanne, what you got?
>> All right. Sorry, I had to unmute.
That's okay.
>> Mine was just a quick thing. Um, I am not a Christian anymore. I'm not really practicing religion.
I was raised Catholic, but I believe in being a good person. And I believe that like what you're saying about following Jesus's actions as opposed to what Christianity has been construed through, you know, human basically uh interpretation and you know all of that. But what I took from what you were saying and I think what people are missing about it is you're talking about elevating people who live with intention and live in a way that we admire where right now we're elevating people to positions of power who don't live in a way that we admire or in a way that like based on your prompt that Jesus would want us to live. M >> so it's not saying that the government as a system needs to be taking and giving and whatever but it's saying if we elevate people who have good intentions and good desires as you like to say then that will spread. It's kind of like your the example with the kids. I have four kids of my own. I very rarely ever had to ask them to share. if I did encourage it, they were happy to do so. And it was almost like, "Oh, shoot. How did I not think about that?" You know, they were really excited about whatever it was.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, when we went to Universal Studios, they on their own had decided like when we went to the Harry Potter world that, you know, if one of them got chosen for the wand fitting that they would all give it to their sister who was a bigger Harry Potter fan. And that was, you know, in line on the way in. I said nothing about it. there was nothing from me and it's just because they see that you know I give to them and it makes me happy to give to them. I give to others and it makes me happy.
>> So again it's not even a having to be told or having to set >> ground rules. It's living by example.
Yep. And so if we are putting people in positions of power who live by example in the traits and the beliefs and all of that that we think are good or important >> then that will just naturally spread.
And I think that to me that was what you were saying by, you know, elevating the people who are living with these traits and these beliefs and these behaviors that we're aspiring to.
>> And if we do that, then it no longer becomes a forcing or a, you know, and with the taxes, it's one of those things where it's like we're choosing to live in a society and that's part of it. So they're not stealing from us. We're choosing to participate in society the way that we have created it as man. You can't compare biblical times to current times because society was not what it is now or then now. So now we have to say, okay, this is what we're living with right now. It's not a perfect world.
It's not, you know, so all the hypotheticals don't really work. Mhm.
>> It's a in the time that we're in, in the place and space that we're in, what can we do to be the best, you know, of ourselves and of society and all of that. And to me, that includes elevating people who live in those ways, not people who, you know, we are currently elevating.
>> Yeah.
>> So, that was all I just, it was frustrating me because I felt like everyone was missing the point of what you're trying to say. You're not saying we should elect progressives so that they can take everything and give it to other people. You're saying we should elect people who share beliefs that we think are good and will benefit society as a whole.
>> As a whole, 100%. Um, so yeah, no, I think I think the two previous guests were intentionally not trying to get it um because they wanted to be argumentative because they don't like government.
>> I agree with that. I don't think anyone right now likes government. But again, we live in the society we live in and we can't change it all at once. So all we can do is move it in the direction we want to move. And that would be elevating people who deserve to be elevated and who are going to further the feelings that we, you know, want to or not the feelings but the beliefs and the you know the policies that we Yeah.
like it will happen if we put the right people in the right places.
>> Yep.
>> And that's kind of what you're at least to me that was what I was interpreting it as.
>> Yeah.
>> And it was just frustrating hearing them walk right past the point and you know choose like you said I think it was willful ignorance for sure but >> 100%.
>> Anyway, that was all. I love listening to you so jump in.
>> Thank you. I appreciate that very very much. Have a good one.
>> You too.
>> Um yeah. So folks, this is not um this is not difficult, right? And this is not about having a Christian nation because what you will find is that the teachings and the example that Jesus led by is in just about every um religion that is out there, right?
um you know it's it's whether you call it the golden rule what whatever it is right it's just it's just that and um and so it is not about uh a particular religion right the reason why I'm specifically talking about Jesus today is because the majority of the people that I see supporting this administration and supporting the Republican party and the MAGA movement are people that profess to be Christian, right? They are people that say, "I'm Christian, conservative, God first, blah blah blah blah blah, whatever." Right?
Um, and so we have to talk about that then because I I I beg to differ, right? And so from a policy perspective and um the way that Jesus lived um I think that Jesus would support progressive policies.
That's funny, Terry. Um, so anyway, um, and so, you know, I think that it's always interesting to me because inevitably people will say, "Yeah, but they're not really Christian." Well, I don't I I I don't really know what that means because Christianity is the religion, right? What I can say is um, so the Bible doesn't tell me to judge whether somebody is or isn't um, saved, right? Because I don't think that that's something that I can that I get to determine and that I know. Hello. Hello.
Hello. Raja. What I do think is that the Bible said very clearly, "You shall know them by their fruit."
And so I can know you. I can know you and have zero desire to judge your salvation. But I can know you. I can see you and I can know you. Right.
The same way I I know Dr. G. Never met him before in my life, but I know him.
I know him by his fruit. Same thing with Demo. I know him by his fruit.
Their walk, their personal relationship, their salvation has nothing to do with me and I know you by your fruit.
Right?
So, I just think it's really important um you know to be able to um to make those distinctions um especially that it's not about Christianity or any particular religion for that matter. You know what I mean folks?
So, um, is there is is it possible, Redhawk girl, not you, but is it possible that that could that I could get a quick mod announcement to um to have a a quick break, a necessary break for my body and then just to get a little bit of water?
That would be amazing. Cam said, "Yeah, let me get you."
Thank you. be right back.
>> Can you guys just hear me? I have, um, headphones in, so hopefully you can hear me. Okay. Um, so, um, hang, sorry, I can't get my thoughts together. Um, oh, Red Hot. Oh, no, Red Hot. She's on probation for a little bit. Um, but maybe next time.
We still love her though, but she's just a little little timeout for until next time. Um, uh, what's happening with chat? Um, okay, cool. Um, if you haven't already, please go ahead and send your daily heartme. Um, that lets Tik Tok know that we are live and engaged. Go ahead and also continue to tap the screen so that everybody knows that we're here. Um, yes, we do love you, Red Hot. Um, no worries. Um, just giving her a little Just messing with you, Red. Just messing with you. Um, this I am probably not the best person to talk about this topic. Um, Danny knows a lot more about religion and about Jesus and all that stuff um than I do. So, when she gets back, we'll get back into the same topic. I do see there's a few of you in a request. So, if you did not mean to request up, please put it in the chat and then we'll just take you out of the queue. Um, but I do see there's a few people in the queue right now. So, just hold tight and when Danny gets back, we'll see if she wants to bring up a few more people. Um, >> it's me getting water, y'all.
Now you're fine. No, you're fine. Um, I was excited when I discovered it was hilarious. Oh, you know, I try my best.
I try my best. And um, thanks, Jimmy.
Um, I don't know. I don't know. I I don't got much to say.
>> No, it's all good. I am back.
>> Appreciate you, Cam.
>> Thank you for holding it down for me.
Um, I have a couple of things that I just want to remind everybody that tomorrow at 8:00 PM Eastern Standard Time is going to be our project for the people um meeting. It will be done via Google Meet. I will be emailing out that link starting this evening. So, if you have not gone to my linkree and filled out uh the little Google form and joined Project for the People and you would like to be part of a community that is just citizen- led, citizen-driven that is about building community, building connection, having important conversations with the people in our lives and the people in our community, not about a certain politician or a certain party, but about policy, about issues that truly impact people's lives.
Right? then you might want to come and uh and check this out. Um so that is tomorrow. Love that witch. So that is tomorrow. So if you haven't done that, please make sure that you go do that. Um because I will be sending out that email starting today. Um and uh and and I do have a lot to cover. I only have one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12. I have 12 more states to finish this third round of graphics. And then my goal is to finish one particular round of of graphics for all 50 states before our weekend of action. So remember, we do weekends of action every other weekend. So what that might look like for you is going and knocking on doors in your community.
that might look like for you. Going out into your community and um and uh and putting things in community um community centers or libraries or grocery stores or um college campuses or parks or flea markets, um farmers markets, those types of things. So, the information that we are providing to people is important, right? It's about cuts in federal funding that is impacting people that are on SNAP. Uh people that are on traditional Medicaid, uh people that were purchasing ACA um health insurance, and those premiums are changing and they're going to continue to change um over the next little bit. We are in we have one person in Wyoming now which so we are in 48 out of uh 50 states and we are in approximately 360 counties currently. Um and so that brings me to one more thing that I want to tell you that we're going to do tomorrow. So I have actually pulled up Hawaii's bill, the SB2471 bill. And one of the things that we're going to do tomorrow on our project for the people call is we're going to go over what that bill is, right?
And um I sent out Terry, I sent out emails um that linked everybody in states.
Okay. And there is a in the discord in the project for the people chat, there is a spreadsheet link there. So, if you didn't get an email or if you got an email but your email is missing in the email, you know, let me know. Um, but one of the things that we're going to do tomorrow, thanks Scotty, is we're going to go over SB2471 and um and I'm going to have a draft version that's going to be in check your uh promotions or your spam email, but I'm going to put a draft version of that bill in the Google Drive. so that people can download it and then make it applicable for your state. Get in touch with the other people that are also in your state so that we can mobilize around this. And so what it does, here's what it talks about. It talks about limiting the powers of um let me see the the exact verbiage. Um it's called um relating to the powers of artificial persons. And so what this bill will do um appreciate you triplet is it will nullify the impact of citizens united and basically remove all of that dark super PAC money out of your elections, right? Which I think will be fantastic.
So, um there's actually been some revisions and um and so I have pulled up the latest version of it. Um and um and so that's what we're going to be talking about tomorrow. Uh so Papa, when you say, "How do you know what Jesus would want?" Uh because he demonstrated it and told us it's not difficult, right? Um so yeah, so that's all going to be part of tomorrow. So make sure that you have um that you have put your information in the link tree so that you are part of project for the people. Okay. Um so that's incredibly important. Um something else that I'm just going to share this with you all. I think that we are going to be coming to the end of the um the uh the war on Iran uh soon.
I think so. Um, we'll see though, right? And so, right now, what I don't want to do today is have a lot of conversation and talk about the things that the president of the United States have said has said because I just don't number one, much of it is not worth repeating. Much of it is not valuable information and much of it sometimes is disinformation and misinformation, right? So, um, so I just don't want to spend any time regurgitating it, uh, and talking about it. One of the things that I do want to talk about that I had pulled up today, um, let me see if it's still saying this or if there's been an update.
Yeah, see, he always things up.
So, let me just share this. 4 hours ago, Iran had said that the straight of Hermuse could open soon because uh Trump had paused this Operation Freedom thing, right? And um and sure enough, now 30 minutes ago, Trump is saying to Iran that they have to accept his deal or face a new wave of bombing. And all Iran is going to do is say, "Fuck you. No thanks. Uh, you're not going to get what you want and don't try to showboat. All they want is respect.
If he will just stop trying to bogart and feed his narcissism and his ego, we could have been over this already. They just want him to be respectful. And because he keeps trying to act like he's dominating them, the longer this gets strung out.
And it's crazy, but it's absolutely true. Um, I will tell you this. So, um, there's an individual that was supposed to be the speaker, um, and give the speech at Rutgers University. They have cancelled um his um they have canceled his speech to the graduating class of Rutgers because of his pro Palestinian posts.
Um he did an interview with the Guardian and is talking about, you know, what a dangerous message this sends to students. And I agree. I agree that it sends a dangerous message that we would cancel the speaker of a graduation because his name is Rammy um El Elandor I believe is is how you say the last name and um he did a um he did a um an interview with uh with the Guardian and he talked about you know Rutgers University cancelling his speech because of his pro Palestinian post which I agree uh 100% um sends a dangerous message.
So, thank you, Sassy Cinderella. Um wow.
Um so, things that are happening that I'm just going to kind of give you the highlights of, okay, because you know the girls are going to be here soon. So, um, a top Republican is now saying that Howard Lucknik wasn't quote unquote 100% truthful about his ties to Jeffrey Epstein. Um, that's going to be very interesting. Um Um, I'm looking really quickly.
So, there is a study that has just come just come out um that maybe I'll throw in the link tree and it says um that this study found that Tik Tok's algorithm favored Republican content in the 2024 US elections.
Interesting, right? Um um and the other thing that I want you all to know is that we are we are actively still unaliving people in international waters. So our southern command the US southern command um has killed three people in a boat strike in the eastern spec in the eastern pacific.
We continue to say that these people are nar narcotics traffickers, but the reality is is that even if they are, you don't have the right to kill them. You don't have the right to kill them. And the idea that we are letting this happen is crazy, right? The idea that we are allowing this to happen is wild. And this is why we 100% need an independent separate but equal branch of government in Congress.
This is why because Congress, we need a Congress that is willing to hold this administration and if necessary, the Supreme Court accountable and we don't have that currently. They are all doing the bidding.
So, it's going to be really important um that we get very focused on the folks that are running for office. Um I almost forgot, but I remembered now.
I'm going to give it a second. Good afternoon, Preacher Man. How are you?
>> Can you hear me?
>> I can hear you. How are you, sir?
I'm doing okay. And you?
>> I'm doing just fine.
>> Well, my daughter read your uh caption here. Joe, uh Jesus will want you to vote progressively.
>> Mhm.
>> And I don't know if you like the Bible, but the Bible has a slightly different message.
It teaches that Jesus himself is a king.
and any other king would make himself a rival uh you know a president or anybody like that would make himself a a rival king a rival ruler and so uh Jesus taught that he he uh came or campaigned for his kingdom his rulership in fact the Bible says that Matthew um 3:17 4:17 after he was tempted by the devil it said and from that time on he commence preaching repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. So he was canvasing for his government and he wanted people not to vote for him but actually to follow him and believe him and put faith in him as king.
And even though he was uh humble and as this Isaiah 53 say people wouldn't like him because he would be unsightly to them because he wasn't a big strong man like people like. He came as a humble man, a meek person and and he did that because his father wanted him to. But he was canvasing him as a king looking for his followers.
And so he said his kingdom was no part of this world.
And Matthew 12:30, I remember that because it's 12:30.
He who is on my side is not on my side is against me. He that does not gather with me scatters.
So he uh excluded all other governments because they divide the children of God into pieces and they do what you've been talking I've been listening to you talk about what's going on in the world and they are the cause of that human government is the cause of all this suffering and and m mayhem among the human race and Jesus is sent to correct all of that and he's going to correct it when when he answers the prayer, thy kingdom come, for Jesus is king, thy will be done, he calls God's will.
And God's will is, and I've heard you talk that about that a little bit. You talked about the fruit of the spirit.
God's will is that people exercise the prudence of the spirit toward everybody regardless of gender, race, country, or what the difference. God's will is that we exercise love. And Jesus is going to see to that that that is done when he answers the prayer, God's kingdom comes, God's will will be done on earth.
So and I guess this is the main point of he said that his kingdom was no part of the world and his half brother James wrote under the inspiration of Holy Spirit that he who wants to be a friend of this world is making himself an enemy of God. The reason being is because Satan is the ruler of this world.
And he is the cause of all the mayhem.
And his motto is rule of ruin, divide and conquer.
Divide the human race and conquer it.
So pretty much that's what my daughter wanted me to share with you.
>> Um, okay. So, I I think that um I think a couple of things that that I would say is that um God gave us dominion over the earth, right? In Genesis 1:26-28.
All right. Um we were made in his image.
We were given free will and we were given dominion over the earth. And >> dominion. Dominion. Now over what? On the earth though.
>> It literally says over the earth. So it so if you go to verse 26, it says, "And God said, let us make man in our image, after our likeness, and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." So God created man in his own image. In the image of God he created him. Male and female created he them. And then God blessed them and said unto them, "Be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth, and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth." Right. Well, >> now does that does that in uh include man, the man over man?
It says dominion over everything, right?
So, so we have free will and we have dominion over ourselves.
No, no. What I'm asking you though is that does that place man to start a government and put it over man? Did he was that his part of his will there?
>> Well, I mean the Bible talks about the law of the land.
>> Yeah. I mean, but in that particular scripture that you're quoting there, that did he include man as man having ability to have I guess you have a Bible in front of you because you read it right there.
Uh I'm going to look this up real quick.
the the Bible actually shows that uh one of uh Ham, the black man, one of his sons, I think that his grandson is the first one that set up a government on earth. I think it's the ninth chapter of Genesis. And he's the first one. and he was a might hunter in opposition.
Meaning that God maintained um rulership over man to himself.
That's what the tree was all about. The day you don't eat from that tree, the day you eat from that tree, you're going to die. In other words, the day you disobey me.
I I'm I am supreme ruler, king, lawgiver, judge. and the day you disobey me is the day you die. And the point I'm making is that God maintained that part for himself. In fact, he exercised it over Adam when he told him what not to do. He exercised it right there.
>> Okay. But so that it wasn't it wasn't about um so I I just want to be I just want to be clear. So what I am saying is that by the way that Jesus lived his life on the earth and by the example that he gave us um and by his teachings, right? Jesus would support the policies of progressives, right? So when we talk about what um what would Jesus want health care to look like? What would he want education to look like? What would he want housing to look like? Right? And so that's what this prompt is saying is that Jesus would support the progressive policies that are for humanity and for taking care of the people. That's what this is about. That's what this conversation is about.
In other words, you think that Jesus would involve himself with uh human rulership.
You know, they try to make him king a couple of times.
>> I'm not talking about Jesus being king.
I'm talking about how Jesus, what policies would Jesus support, right? So, if we are if we are living um and we are we are wanting to follow the example of Jesus Christ, right? Um, what we know is that when Jesus went to heal the sick, he it wasn't conditional. He didn't only heal people who looked like him or heal people who thought like him or whatever. What we know is that when, you know, when people were hungry, Jesus fed them. And again, it wasn't conditional. Um, and he, you know, he took care of the needy and and all of those things. And so the point is that when you look at um conservative policies, right, which takes care of corporations and the super rich, right? And then you look at progressive policy that would take care of the working class and those that are the most vulnerable. Jesus would support voting for progressive policies before Jesus would support voting for conservative corporate friendly policies.
>> Okay, I understand what you're saying and and I have to admit now Jesus wants people to be taken care of. He did that himself. He fed the um the those who were with him twice, 5,000 one time, 3,000 men, and he also healed everybody and of all their sicknesses and stuff, which was today that would be like the hospital. But uh he did he uh when he was alive, you might as well say that all the people on earth is a man.
that whole nation. He was a relative.
They were his relatives is what I'm trying to say. They were his relatives.
And they were all trying to get out from under subjugation to the Roman rulership. And I think the Zealots are the ones we hear about the most that were fighting against him. But there were a number of factions in the Jewish nation that was studied trying to get out from under the um the Roman rulership.
But there's no indication in the Bible at all that Jesus supported any one of them. He did not involve himself.
>> But that's not my claim. That's not what I'm >> I know what I know. I understand that.
But what I'm saying is that what I'm getting at was there was something that he focused on and he thought so much about it that he actually sacrificed his life as part of accomplishing what meant what was important to him. And he he told us to seek that. Seek it first which is God's kingdom. seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness. And when Pilate he was brought before Pilate when they he they said kill him because he made himself a king. He's against the Roman ruler Caesar. And so Pilot took him in and say uh are you a king?
He said you're saying it but my kingdom is no part of this world.
What what I'm doing has nothing to do with this world.
And so I don't I would imagine you read this Daniel 2:44 where it says that Jesus is actually going to destroy every kingship, every rulership off this earth because God judges as unfit to take care of his human children. Every rulership on this earth, he judges it as unfit to take care of rulers his children because it never has from day one all the way to now. the way he thinks it should be done. And so Daniel 2:44 say, "The God of heaven sets up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. It will not be left to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms and it will stand forever." And God has appointed Jesus as king of it who as a man, all he did was help people.
Everybody. He never heard anybody like you're seeing now doing things to help people. And so, so Jesus lived and died for it and preached it. And in our day, at the time that we're living in, I'll read the scripture to you. And King James Bible, Daniel 2:44, I'm sorry, Revel Matthew 24:14.
As part of the sign of the end, Jesus said, "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness to all nations, and then shall the end come and I'm put emphasis on."
And this gospel, the same gospel that I'm preaching now, this gospel will be preached as a witness as as part of the sign of the end to all the nations. And so that emphasis that Jesus lived and died for is still on God's kingdom or or Jesus as king and the ruler ruler of the earth who's going to straighten it out once and for all.
And so, uh, you my point is it's kind of like a sidetracking issue that the troubles of the world like when Jesus was on earth, all of these troubles that we have now, they had them. But Jesus focused on people getting to know God's kingdom, getting an understanding of it. And then he said, "Follow me. Either you for me or you're against me." And I know you read the one man said, "I'll follow you." And he said, "Well, the son of man have no place to lay his head. I don't have a home."
And and he said, "I'm righteous." So he said, "Well, sell your riches, give it to the poor, and come be my follower."
He turned around and went the other way.
So Jesus, he and that's the whole point.
He just kept saying that uh understanding and seeking first God's kingdom was where God puts the emphasis on on his kingdom. Go ahead. I'm sorry you want to stop. Go ahead.
>> Yeah. So, actually when Jesus is asked by the Pharisees, what is the greatest commandment?
He says, "The greatest commandment is to love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, with all thy soul, with all thy mind, and to love thy neighbor as thyself." And he goes on to say that every other law and every other prophet rests on those two things.
That's what he says, right? So that's that that came out of the mouth of Jesus Christ. So, if I'm going to love my neighbor as I love myself, then I am going to want policies and I'm going to want uh people in office that are going to take care of the people. That is the point behind this. This is not about whether or not Jesus was would have ever made himself a king or whether Jesus was involved in um in Caesar's government.
That's not what this is about. It is about saying how would Jesus want us to vote, right?
H who are the people that Jesus would desire for us to elect? What are the policies that he would desire for us to support? And so that's the conversation that we're having, right? Because what I see is many of the people that um vote Republican or many of the people that vote um or support this administration um or support, you know, MAGA, those people, many of them profess to be Christians, right? And so my thing is that if you identify yourself as a Christian, then you um then the way that you would be voting would be representative of Jesus's example and of his teachings. And that is not the Republican party. That is not conservatives.
So that's the that's the point that we're making. What What is the point that you're wanting to make?
>> Okay. and and and and in answer to what you just said uh and what I I said so for about God's kingdom uh since Jesus is going to rule this earth and he's going to remove all human government wouldn't spending our time uh trying to fix the problems of our human government regardless of what country we live in. Wouldn't it be like getting a brand new board and putting it on a house that's eaten up by termites and full of them?
>> No.
No. Because Jesus didn't say don't do anything until I come back.
>> No, that's not what I'm asking you. What I'm asking you since Jesus and the scriptures say that the kingdom of God is going to destroy all human government and replace it by the kingdom that God is setting up which is Jesus and his bride. That's a kings and priests human government. I mean not a human but a a living government made of Jesus and his bride that are born again and taken to heaven for the purpose of ruling this earth. that's founded at uh Revelation and I'm going to read that real quick.
Revelation 5 9 and 10 says uh when when he took the scroll the four living creatures wait a minute my one minute Revelation 59 I'm not in nine yet and they sang a new song saying you are worthy to take the scrolls and open it seals for you were slaughtered and with your blood You bought people for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation and you made them to be a kingdom and priest to our God and they are to rule as kings over the earth.
So Jesus died to gather his bride that God is taken from this earth and giving him immortality and and uh knowledge and wisdom to become king's rulers and priests. And a priest's job is to do kind of like what you talking about now, take care of mental, emotional, physical, and spiritual welfare of the people that they take care of. So they're they're not just kings who who decide decisions.
They're also priests. These ones who who go to heaven and be with Jesus. And Jesus is our priest. And they will take care of mental, motor, emotional, spiritual, and physical welfare. And and that is God's grand purpose and plan to restore the human race back to the to the like you read earlier in Genesis having suggestion fish, birds and animals, subdue the earth, take care of it. Their job is to restore that what Adam and Eve messed up to restore the human race back to their heavenly father. I am the way. No man comes to me to the father except through me to restore the human race back to the father and fix everything that's gone wrong. And so that is what we pray for when we say our father let your kingdom come. God has worked from way back then until now to to make this bring this about. And he said when you see the world full of trouble that's a sign that the kingdom of God is near you. So now that is God's way where he said this is how I'm going to take care of my human children. So and he says I'm going to get rid of all human government because it's never taken care of my children properly. They dropped bombs on them. They starve them to death. They did experiment on they've done everything in the world to my children. And so I'm getting rid of them. They have no business. They call themselves ruling my people. And I'm going to put who I want my kingdom over my people. And so what I'm the point I'm trying to make since God has determined this and decided this. If we go to a human government and we are a brand new good board and we want to straighten out this house, this government, this house here, and it's full of termites and and and bugs and everything and dilapidated, and we put nails and nail out a new board onto that old house. What what are we really accomplishing?
So Jesus wants us to put our effort into what his father is doing. That's why he say seek ye first the kingdom of God and all these other things that that you worrying about eating, drink, and what we going to wear. That'll be added to you. Put the kingdom first if you have faith in me.
>> Well, that was his >> Okay, but but here's what but he doesn't say put the kingdom first and because here's the thing. If he says put the kingdom first, that means there's a second, third, and fourth, and fifth, right? If he says put the kingdom of God first, that means there's a second, third, fourth, and fifth. Hold on, let me finish, please. Let me finish.
>> Let me finish for just a minute. Okay?
Because if I'm understanding correctly, um, what I what I hear you saying is that you don't vote and you don't believe that voting is what we should do. Correct.
>> Uh, no I don't.
>> Right. Right. I got that. And here's what I would say is that um God gave us dominion over the over the land. And in that dominion over the land, we have created governments. Okay? And we have created laws. And those laws dictate the lives of the people. Right? And the Bible says faith without works is dead.
So while I focus on the kingdom of God and while I have faith um in God right and my relationship with God I will work to ensure that until he returns this will be the best possible world that I can make it be until it's such time God establishes a kingdom on earth because no one knows the day or the hour that that will happen.
Okay. But there's there's more in the Bible. Now, the Bible actually says and identifies that uh when Satan took Jesus to tempt him, the Bible says he showed him all all the kingdoms of the world and told him, "Bow down, do an act of worship to me, and I will give all of this to you because to me it has been delivered, and to who I want, I give it."
In other words, uh the Bible is teaching there that the arch architect behind all human government is Satan. He's the he's the architect behind it all. And the the building that we look at shows that it is not God. God is not responsible for for what what governments have done to people. No, people are responsible for what governments have done. And that's why it's people's job to to participate in the voting process.
>> But yeah, but what about in and the scriptures the there are many scriptures like Daniel chapter 7 if you have time to read sometime.
>> Yeah, I'm familiar with Daniel Daniel chapter 7, but Daniel chapter 7 is the is is not it's not relevant to to what I'm talking about like right now in this moment. Okay. So, here's what I know for certain. There's absolutely nowhere in the Bible that Jesus tells me not to try to make life on this earth better for people. Like, there's no there's just nowhere that it says that. Nowhere does the Bible say for um for human beings to be here on this earth and do nothing except think about the kingdom of heaven that will someday at some point come.
Right? Like that's just not what it says. And what's really important hold on sir. You gota you gota you got to let me finish talking. Okay. You got to let me finish because like um so Jesus would not have us be here on this earth and um and do nothing to um create a better society to take care of children to take care of the elderly to um do all of those things, right? um it's just not what he what he had. And so I think the thing that we have to remember is that Satan's rulership ruling ruling over the world um and his power was lost when Jesus died on the cross and rode from rose from the dead. Right? So, we know that because in second Colossian uh um oh my god, Colossians um in Colossians chapter 2, sorry, Colossians chapter 2, when you get down to around um verses 13 and 14 and 15, right? When he says um when you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all of our sins having cancelled the law the charge of our legal indebtedness which stood against us and condemned us. He has taken it away nailing it to the cross and this is the important part and having disarmed the powers and authorities. See, so when Jesus was nailed to the cross, he disarmed the powers and author and and uh and authorities over the earth, right? And he said he made a public speckle. He he triumphed over them by the cross. And that's why he goes on to say this is why you have freedom from human rules. You don't let anyone judge you by what you eat or what you drink or with regard to whatever religious festival, a new moon celebration or a Sabbath day. Right? He says because because you are now you are now um you're you're not under any of that anymore. Right. So the devil doesn't run the earth. Human beings do.
>> Aren't you tying that in? You're tying the the um what do the King James call them? Heathens or Gentiles. Non-Jewish.
No, that's not what I'm tying it into because Jesus said under Jesus Christ there is no difference between between the Jew and the Gentile or the Hebrew and the Greek. So in Jesus Christ there is no Hebrew and Greek or Jew and Gentile. know what what I'm saying is >> that you're taking the nation of Israel's law that that Moses wrote and you're tying it in with the laws of Gentiles.
>> No, I'm not. I'm talking about I'm talking about Satan's rule over the earth and he does not have it anymore because Jesus >> we're no longer under Moses law.
>> No. So listen, listen to what I'm reading. Listen to what I'm reading. It says, it says in verse 14, at the end of verse 13, he forgave us all our sins. He being Jesus, having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us, he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross. And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.
Therefore, don't let anybody, Satan lost rule over the earth when Jesus rose from the dead.
That's it. So, Satan, you know, people like to blame the bad things they do on the devil, but it ain't the devil. It's just it's just human nature. And so, Satan does not rule this earth. We do.
>> Don't the Bible tell us to be in subjection to the superior authority, the anointed authority, but by God?
>> Now, that's that's the regular Gentile authority there. That's a different one from the the authority that the that the Jewish people.
>> I'm not talking about Jews and Gentiles.
>> Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. The Bible actually distinguishes between the nations and their law. And it tells us to be in subjection. You are talking about the Old Testament and the bottom line is when Jesus comes there is no you are you are no longer under any law.
You're not under law. You are you you are now under grace. He specifically says you are under grace.
You are under grace. There is no there is no vengeful God. There is no there is no there is no any of that anymore. You are under grace. all of your indebtedness, all of your sin has been taken away and you are >> right. And so it says, so listen, it says since you died with Christ to the elemental spiritual forces of the world, um, why do you still submit to its rules?
It literally says, >> hold on one second. Hold on one second.
Hold on one second. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Wait.
Hold on y'all.
I'm trying to make sure that everything is good.
>> Yeah. Take it down.
>> Okay. All right. Got it. I'm good.
>> You said that you are familiar with uh Daniel chapter 7 though.
>> Yes. I Let me ask you this. Are is is your is your whole is your whole argument that we shouldn't be voting because we should just be focused on the kingdom of God. Is that your entire argument?
>> My argument is that the Bible says that and that's why I ask you about Daniel chapter 7. All the kings of the earth belong to Satan, the devil. And that's why I asked you about Daniel chapter 7 because Daniel chapter 7 starts with four great beasts that come out of the sea. And it identifies one like a leopard, one like a bear, one like a lion, one with great teeth. And then in verse 17, I would like to read that 17 says, "These huge beasts four in number are four kings who will stand up from the earth."
That's an interpretation. It first of all, it describes these huge beasts that devour much flesh. And then it interprets the the the meaning of the beast. It interprets them as these huge beasts four in number are four kings who will stand up from the earth. Daniel chapter 8 describes the meopersian world power is a ram with two horns and it describes the Grecian world power is a heo with a big horn that rams into the ram with two horns and kills it which Greece took out Meo Persia. Then it grows four horns and it that's the four kings that took over the Grecian world power.
>> Okay. I know. But this is my question.
Okay. This is the the question that I'm asking you specifically. Okay.
>> Yeah.
>> Is is your point that Jesus would not support us voting at all because we're supposed to be focused on the kingdom of God? That's my question.
>> Not not just because we supposed to be focused. But what I'm saying now is that see I I'll use that scripture in Daniel to say so so so it would be hard to say well that's his interpretation that the beast means the kings of the earth. The Bible actually says those four beasts are the kings of the earth. Now in Revelation there's another beast. It says, "And I saw a wild beast ascending out of the sea with 10 horns and seven heads, and on its horn 10 dieds, and but on its head blasphemous name. Now the wild beast that I saw was like a leopard, but his feet were like those of a bear, and his mouth was like a lion's mouth." And here's my point. And the dragon gave to the beast its power, its throne, and great authority. And so, so again, we're talking about kings of the earth, but a united kings of the earth here because it's all of these heads and horns and they're on one body. It's united. It's one and it says the dragon gave to the beast his power is seat and great authority. Revelation 12:9 defines the dra interprets the dragon. So down the great dragon was hurled the original serpent the one called devil and Satan who is misleading the entire earth.
>> Okay so preacher man one of the things that's really really important um because the book of revelations even for um the best theologians right uh different people have different um different interpretations. Exactly. And so the thing that I think is important, right?
Because um I am the point of this conversation is not to talk about whether you believe the rapture is coming or whether you don't believe the rapture is coming or whether there will be beasts or Jesus.
Like that's not the point. The point is that we are here on this earth and while we are in this earth, we participate in the systems that are in this earth.
Right? And I'm going to give you an example. You're not walking around buck naked. Why? Because we live in a world where we walk around wearing clothes, right? Um, you drive a car. Why? Because we live in a world where to get from point A to point B, you get in a car or you get on a plane or you get on a bike, right? So, we participate in the systems of this world because this is the world that we live in, right? And so, our responsibility to the world that we live in, right? Especially because you know we we do get instructions of things that we should lay up for our children and uh and how we should take care of our elders, right? So we are in no way, shape or form expected to exist on this earth and not participate in the life that exists here, right? We're not we're not expected not to do that. You're not walking around without a bank account or without a debit card, right? you participate in those systems, right? And so the beautiful thing about us because we were made in God's image is we have the ability to do more than one thing at a time the same way that Jesus did. So while I store up, right, while I focus um on the kingdom of God and while I focus on becoming who uh who God desires to be and living who I'm supposed to be and all of those things, while I do that, I'm also able to participate in the systems that we have here and make the life that we exist in um as best as possible. Right? So Jesus doesn't want us to be here on this earth and just simply allow children to suffer. If we have the means and the ability to do something about it and since we do, then we should do those things, right? And so as above as below, we desire to create on in this earth um as much of the the heavenly kingdom that exists now. Right?
So I don't believe and you could never convince me that God would sit around and just allow suffering to be so in the kingdom of heaven. Of course not.
Therefore, we should not do any such thing in this time frame at all.
>> And so, I wouldn't help them.
>> That's not what I said, sir. Did I? But what I can tell you is so let me just say this. Yes. So, let me just say this.
Yes, sir. To some degree, that is so.
And the reason that is so is because when you do not vote, when you do not partake of a system that exists today that determines if people suffer and to what degree they suffer. Yes. Yes. You literally are sitting back not helping people that are suffering because when you vote, you could help them. So yes, sir, you are in fact sitting back. Hold on. I'm going to finish. You are in fact sitting back knowing that people are suffering. You have a system that exists today that you could choose to participate in and help ease if not eliminate the suffering of those people and you are choosing not to. So yes sir, you do sit back and allow people to suffer.
>> Do you think this this scripture here might apply Revelation 12:9 and 10?
>> No, I don't.
>> Let me read it.
>> I know. I know Revelations, sir. I know the Bible.
>> Well, let me read it. Another angel, a third followed them, saying in a loud voice, "If anyone worship the wild beast and his image and receive his mark on his forehead or on his hand, he will also drink the wine of the anger of God that is poured out undiluted in the cup of his wrath. And he will be tormented with sulfur and the sight of the holy angels and in the sight of the lamb." So in my understanding, Satan gives the wild beast, the kings of the earth, their power, their seat, and their authority. And and that makes them automatically in opposition to Jesus Christ, king of God's kingdom. And so, uh, you don't have to give an answer to that. I just wanted to share that because it's like we're going down two highways and and like you said, ain't nothing I could do to convince you any different.
>> No, because because I just believe at the end of the day that love is God and God is love. at the end of the day. at the end of the day. And so what I know for sure is that there is never a situation. There is never a situation where Jesus Christ would have me sit back and not participate in a system that could help people and eliminate their suffering. And the reason I know that for sure is because Jesus didn't sit back and not help people. He didn't sit back and not heal people. He didn't sit back and not feed people.
>> But he joined nobody's system though.
>> I didn't. The system already existed.
>> The system ex the system. The systems already existed. He did join a system.
Where do you think the food came from?
>> He did join a system. He wore clothes.
He did join a system. He went to he went into the church and learned the scriptures. He was teaching at the age of 12. The church was a system.
Can you tell me anywhere in the scriptures where once he was uh baptized and anointed with the Holy Spirit where he went directly to a religious leader or a political leader anywhere in the scriptures?
>> So listen, not going to a political leader or a system doesn't mean so stop because you said he didn't participate in systems but he did. He did in fact he did in fact because do you know how you know? because he existed and when you exist you are a participant of the system you might oppose the system but you are still participating in it and if you have the ability to improve the system then that's what you do and I think one thing that we need to make clear is you and I are not Jesus.
So what Jesus did is the perfect example of what of what godliness is. That's Jesus's example. You and I are not Jesus. We're supposed to be disciples though.
>> Exactly. But we're not Jesus.
>> Of course.
>> Right. And so and so, right? And so what the Bible said is for me, what Jesus said is to love my neighbor as myself, which means I'm supposed to end the suffering or ease the suffering of my neighbor if I have the opportunity to do so. And if I do not participate in a system that could help babies go to the doctor, that could help feed children, that could help people, elderly people be taken care of in the hospital, if I choose not to participate in that system that is readily available to me, that I am qualified to participate in, that I am choosing to allow those people to suffer. And that is not what God intends. That is not what God ever said for us to do. He never said that we should sit back in this world that we are in because we are we are in this world but we are not of this world. And since God says we are in this world then we participate in the world. We're not of it but we are in it. And because we are in it we are participants. And to choose not to participate to end the suffering of people is not godly. And it is not the instruction of Jesus Christ.
Well, what's your name if you don't mind me asking?
>> Danny.
>> Danny.
>> Yes.
>> D A N I E.
>> D A N I.
>> Oh, okay. All right. Well, I enjoyed uh talking with you and I always like reading the Bible a little bit and so >> Yep. Well, I enjoyed talking to you, too.
>> Yeah. We'll leave on good terms.
>> Always. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. You have a great day.
>> Okay. You too.
>> Bye.
>> Bye.
>> Bye.
You know Um, you know, it's really important for people to to to understand, right? Um, when you sit back and you talk about um when you sit back and you talk about um and and this is the thing that I don't think people get like and I at first I thought at first I wasn't going to challenge him when he said do you think if I saw somebody suffering I would just sit around and not help and at first I started to say well no of course you would help and then I thought no of course you would not Because you are not.
Because you are not.
Because you are not right.
What's up, Shante?
It's really important that so there are there are different religions in which people do not vote.
For example, Jehovah's Witnesses do not vote. They do not participate in voting.
Um, I don't know of a single place in the Bible that supports not voting.
I just don't. And um, well, it's kind of what he was saying there, right? Um, yeah. So, um, it's just what they believe in their religion. It's what they believe in in their religion, right? Um, and you know, I ran into um I ran into this in the conversation when a couple of Jehovah's Witness knocked on my door and um and um wanted to in invite me to their church and uh and I and I said, "Well, let me ask you this. what's your church's view about Palestine and Gaza?
And they were like, "Oh, well, we don't do politics." And I said, "Well, I don't call the, you know, murdering of 30,000 babies politics, and I don't think that it's something that Jesus would support."
Yeah, I did. Sure enough.
Yeah. And they looked uncomfortable and I was okay with that. And um yeah, like um they just looked very uncomfortable and just sat there for a minute and um and so I said, "Yeah." So I said, "You know what I know is that policy politics is how policy affects people." Um, and so I believe that, you know, faith, like just what I said to him, faith without works is dead. So I don't think that I'm supposed to hear I don't I don't believe that I'm supposed to be here and have faith in God and have faith in this and have faith in that and do no work to create the best life possible here on earth for the most vulnerable of us. I do not believe that that would be God's instruction. Call me crazy, but just saying, right? Um, and so this is the conversation. This is why, you know, I know people are like, "Oh, you shouldn't talk religion." No, we should.
We should. Especially if you say to me that you are conservative, that you are Christian, that you vote Republican, that you support this administration, we are absolutely going to talk about your religion because Jesus, that that beautifully black Palestinian Jew, Jesus, right, um would desire for you to participate and for you to vote progressive because he would want you to vote for the people that want to feed people, that want to clothe people, that want to house people, right, that want to educate people, that want to include people, that want to allow our neighbors to have refuge, right? Um, and so, yeah, we're going to have that conversation all day.
Yeah.
And if you notice, um, the other thing that people like to do is when I'm having these conversations, they want to ask me about my personal faith. My personal faith literally has nothing to do with this conversation.
This this conversation is about Jesus Christ, right? You just want to make it about me and it's not about me.
Um, you mean now? Shits and giggles.
Looks a little crazy in my request, y'all.
No.
Um um if you hadn't asked me, I could have told you, but I don't know right now because you asked me. I'm not doing it.
I'm not. Um yeah.
All right. So, listen folks. Um it has been an interesting day. It has.
Um, I know VJ, we were talking about it last year. Uh, last year. Geez, last night. Um, he did Dcoin a really young, uh, guy in Ohio. He did win his primary.
Um, and so, you know, lots of good things are happening. So, um, a reminder really quickly, folks, because, um, I I have to get ready to go to my doctor's appointment. Um, and, uh, yeah, it was a good day, I think. Right. It was a good day. and uh and hopefully you know people got something out of the conversation. We definitely had some interesting guests join the panel um and uh and all of that and um yeah it was productive and and and so let me just see I have people that I need to add to um thanks Esie. I have people that I need to add um into project for the people. So, what I'm going to ask is that if you have not joined Project for the People yet and you intend to do so, could you please do it um as quickly as possible? Um because I have um I have to do this so that I can get emails out um to everyone. Um appreciate it, Sen. And um y'all are so funny.
I want y'all to remember that we started out with our first guest of the day talking about black-on-black crime got very very mad and called me a when I said I think Jesus you know is concerned about white-on-white crime but you know he's not blaming all white people for the white-on-white crime that's happening. Um so uh the live is available to be re-watched on um YouTube and on Facebook. Uh so it is there and available. Yeah, appreciate you guys uh very very much. Remember that there is Danakin's uh gear available along with I don't know what I did with it now.
Project for the people gear. We do have payment plans, folks. Um, so if you would like some gear and you're like, "Oh, well, money is tight." There are payment plans available for folks because we know what what things are like. We are going to role play tomorrow, which I'm excited about. Um, you got both your shirts, Mama Dukes.
Love that for you. Um, and um, I'm going to get off of here so that I can um, make myself a sandwich and then uh, and then get ready to go to my doctor's appointment. Okay. Um, thanks Mirabel.
Mirabel, you know I do that every time, right? Um, so I think that is about it people. Um, for today, make sure if you are on TikTok that you hit that little red heart up there that you collect all of your points. Uh, the kiddos are with their mom because I told her that she needs to keep them while I go to the doctor's office. Um, so she's got the girls and um and she's gonna keep an eye on them. Hey Doris, good to see you. And um and so I'm going to throw something in my face real quick and eat. I haven't eaten all day, so I'm going to eat really quickly and then um Yeah, you're welcome. and then I'm going to go um go have a have a test run and then uh and then come back. Um appreciate you Ala Shakshack. Uh guys, if we are able, I would like to do a PI panel tomorrow. If we could do that, that would be great. Um so, um and we'll just do the best that we can, right? Um yeah, you're very welcome, Rebel. And um I'm trying to think if there's anything else that I need to get out to people.
Please make sure that you join the Discord, you guys. I communicate quite a bit in the Discord and it's the best place to keep up with um like if I all of a sudden decide to do an impromptu live at night, um I usually will put it in the Discord. if I, you know, um if I'm adding more graphics to um to our Google Drive, um I will I will put it in the Discord. Um it's been a while since you've been in Bible study.
I appreciate it. You know, I think that having these conversations is going to be a big part of the work that we need to do as we head up into these midterm elections. People need to have a come to Jesus moment with their faith slashreligion um policies and the impact on people before they get in another voting booth again. Um and um like I'm so serious about that. I'm so serious about that.
And I think one of the things that um appreciate that highest um one of the things that's really important for me anyway is to make sure that I do what I did today. Like today I took my time. Um I got centered and I got grounded and uh and I listened to my music and um and uh yes, become a subscriber um if you can.
If you cannot, I totally understand. Um, but oh yeah, I I've had a candle burning this whole time. I did my sage before I got on here today.
Um, because here's the thing. What I desire more than anything else, especially for the next six months, this is me getting locked in. This is me getting locked in. Um, because I'm not here for the rage baiting. I'm not here for the distractions. I'm not here for the uh you know aggressively uh ignorant, you know, um what whatever whatever, right? Um oh, yay. I love that electric gal. And so, like for me, I just need to stay in the pocket. You know what I mean?
In the pocket so that we can have necessary conversations. If you're not being pushed, if you're not growing, if you're not going, huh? Right. Um, Sherry, if you are still in here, sending you lots of hugs and love today, sis. Um, a lot. Um, you know how I am with my grandb babies. I cannot imagine how you feel today as a grandmother um on the anniversary of your granddaughter's passing. I can't fathom it. And uh I wouldn't wish it on anybody. So, sending you lots of love um and comfort today. So, uh do whatever you need to do today to take care of you, you know. Um, everybody, same thing for you. You all decompress um, however you need to. Music, art, feet into the earth, gardening. I get to set up my garden today, you guys. I'm so excited. So, I got a little like raised garden bed um that has like two wheels on the end to go on my balcony. And um, and so it came yesterday, late last night. So, the kids and I get to put it together later. And um we we repotted our uh our little chamomile and our lavender. I'm actually going to move my aloe into a different um pot. I'm looking at it. A whole another little aloe thing has has sprouted up. My baby uh snake plant is now got new little blooms in the center and starting to do its little thing. So, I'm excited about that. Um and then Dominic has asked for a strawberry plant. So, um, so I've got to, you know, strawberry plants, you got to have room. Um, and so I need to get one that's already going, you know what I mean? And then repot it for him. But he wants one. And uh and so I just I really think that um that the gardening thing is going to be good not only for you know any of the challenging times that we might have coming but I also think just getting our hands into the earth and into the soil into the dirt. Um we'll do um do one of the basket strawberries. Uh we'll see.
Can I grow a lotus girl? No. Um, get an everbearing, not a June. That way you get a ton of strawberries. I will find out what that means and do that.
I will find out what that means and do that. Um, look at a strawberry pot. Eight to 10 plants in one pot.
Um, yeah, Bella loves strawberries.
Those are her favorites. Um, oh, comes back every year. That's what I thought it meant, but I forgot. You know, I'd be thinking like perennials because of flowers and things. Um, yeah. So, that's the that is the goal.
Um, so we're going to get a couple of the things for the kiddos. Um, oh Hey, if I don't do it, somebody remind me if I don't do it before like nine o'clock tonight, somebody remind me to do the graphic for the interview with Christy Burke. She is the congressional candidate for district one.
Um, District 1 in Tennessee, Congressional District 1. I am interviewing her on um the 12th, which is actually on my birthday. Um, and so please make sure that somebody remind me because I need to do that. And I'm also going to be doing um I'm going to have 15 minutes.
Um, you're trying a potato tower? Yeah.
So, I had a little tower thing, but I gave it to my mom. So, anyway, I just did a I did a raised little garden bed for me and the kiddos. Honestly, because my knees and my back, I really wasn't trying to do no towers and get down on the ground. Just not. Um, am I happy about the mayor that just won in Tennessee uh in Sullivan County? Yeah.
um as happy as I can be. I mean, for that region, um he's definitely not um you know, quote unquote very very progressive, even though they tried to paint him as one, but the fact that Angie lost is um is is a win. So, um yeah, there is a very big differences between yoga, meditation, and the Bible.
The Bible teaches. Yeah. So, um I we're not here to debate whether or not people should do yoga and meditation in the Bible. Uh really none of my business and I don't care what people choose to do, right? I don't whatever people want to do is whatever people want to do. Um right.
Okay. All right. That is it. Um that is all that I got for you guys over here.
Love you. Mean it. I will see you tomorrow. Substack. I hate that I can't see your comments, but I appreciate you for being here and participating. And I will see you guys tomorrow.
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