Ol Kalou & Emurua Dikirr by-elections: DCP vs UDA—Panelists clash! 🔥🔥

Added: 2026-05-12

[00:00:00]of two parliamentary by-elections and two thinkers civic level by-elections. Amuru district comes up on Thursday. DCP recording impressive numbers where they did not expect, but the one in Ol Kalou after the party primaries this past weekend creating even more discussion.

[00:00:21]What is the feeling on the ground at least from the side of DCP following the the kind of debate you're having in Amuru district ahead of the by-election on Thursday and what happened with the party primaries?

[00:00:32]What I would say is that Remember this country and alternatively this country, the country is led led by what you call leadership. And in this country we have what we call multiparty democracy. And multiparty democracy tells that it the multiparty committee policy replaced a single party.

[00:00:53]Those days when it was just a single party can do which had a say.

[00:00:59]The power to decide, the power to choose is power based on the what you call the the people. And therefore we we we see the first challenge is that the people are the key because they're the sovereign and the right to choose a candidate is theirs. So as we move to these two by-elections, it is true that if you will give people of Amuru district freedom to choose and give them free, fair and favorable election where no rigging mechanisms will apply.

[00:01:38]I think they will do the they make their case and they will choose their candidate very democratically. And I think as of now, depending on the indicators, the indicators have been clear that the competition is is quite quite quite impressive and the the chances are that if people of Memorable are given free, fair level playing ground, they make their next choice of of a candidate. The same case appears to what you call uh or crowd. Or crowd we witnesses to nominations. And first on Friday led by the UDA. And we found this the numbers how they came out to make their choices. And we realize we all of us were able to witness that the first day. The the the uh uh the queue was too short and small.

[00:02:46]Therefore, the the people didn't came out in numbers.

[00:02:51]And by the date of Saturday the queues were too long and the numbers also are very pressing. And you realize that over 23,000 voters came out to nominate their candidates. That tells you the the DC candidate. That tells you it tells you what the crowd was our our was to assess and evaluate the crowd through those kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of forums. And it can tell you that people of or crowd were still there on Friday, but they decided to keep keep off and stay >> very confident about the prospects of DC candidate both in Memorable DC and Or crowd.

[00:03:34]It's not me, but actually Based on that data.

[00:03:39]Based on that data. The data is telling us there high chances that the people of Or crowd will decide already they have decided a candidate through DC candidate. And I can't tell you if things will go as they are without any state influence, things will result to DCP candidates as a winner. The same case in Amudat and Kuresoi. There's something that came out in this debate and this is a fact that uh this by-elections, they do not necessarily produce what the voter wants. That a by-election mid-term is more usually about the national contests. It's about UDA and the presidency and the DCP and the United Opposition what they want as opposed to what would happen during a general election where focus is on individual constituencies. Do you agree that this contest both in Amudat and Kuresoi and Ol Kalou is a contest for the big titans at the national level and they don't even get to discuss the issues at the constituency?

[00:04:39]Yes and no. But first of all, I would want to react to what Honorable Gakuya just said.

[00:04:44]You expound on it as well.

[00:04:47]Yes in such a way that people use that as an experimental ground.

[00:04:53]Different political forces go to the ground to to fight. In fact, all politicians from both divides usually get involved in such processes.

[00:05:03]Mid-term by-elections like they did in Baringo.

[00:05:09]The attention of the whole country including media houses like TV 47 will be covering such events more seriously than and very specifically from a national perspective than they do during a general election.

[00:05:23]And no because even locally there there are competitions.

[00:05:29]Sometimes it will be dependent on the candidate's own strengths and weaknesses.

[00:05:34]Now going back to Honorable Gakuya's point which I really want to react to is that there has been information that the processes of nomination have not been free and fair. Some of of positions have been predecided here in Nairobi.

[00:05:47]And if you look at the nomination process of UDA and DCP, you see that UDA was doing things exactly the way IBC would do.

[00:05:56]But if you look at what DCP was doing, they were doing the things the kind of style, the old styles including stuffing ballot boxes so that you end up having a a lot of numbers of alleged voter turnout, which is not true. You see that's that's the case. That that that has been the news everywhere and all over. Including including some some some acts of of drama around some of the politicians like Honorable Gakuyu mentioned one of the politicians kidnapped himself, typical of most of the DCP people. So, such kinds of things are supposed to inform people that there is no transparency on the side of DCP in terms of the nomination process.

[00:06:40]As opposed to UDA. So, you cannot say that the numbers of UDA were lower simply because he he was an interested party. He wanted to get publicity. He wanted the publicity around that area including wanting to be known. You know, politicians do a lot of things especially within the DCP ranks.

[00:06:59]I think he intends to run for a seat in future. So, he wants to be known.

[00:07:04]And now we are discussing him.

[00:07:12]I'm just trying to exemplify the kind of drama around it including that kind of balloting because it was pre-planned. You remember the conversation that the numbers were going to be higher than the UDA ones was was projections. They did projections on the base of what UDA was In fact, it is In fact, the In fact, the person who won that seat he said it would have been working with the Gachagua directly. So, it was pre-decided. It was known to the to the leader of the party and those other fellows. Do you have any fact for Wampa?

[00:07:48]That information is in public Because you cannot be passing >> come from those areas have been saying that information. They've been saying They've been saying that that individual who won the seat, who won the nomination. So, the numbers in the DC primaries They were inflated. They were inflated. They're not true. Uh-huh. The The UDA one was electronic, just the way we do with the IBC.

[00:08:08]This other one had no measures of credibility at all. But but but in the morning I would like to say very very short that in fact even in the general election remember we have what we call gadgets just to make sure that the gadgets is able to establish your your name and as a voter, but and stuff a ballot to a ballot box. Have we changed that format? Mhm. So, that in in the discipline or nominations, we did it opposite. We did it exactly the same. Was we use what you call register IBC register. Was as now that paper ballot paper ballot voting. And the identification of voters was electronic. Of course. Then we know it's pre-decided. The numbers and projections were pre- I know you're saying it in absolutes and I'm wondering do you have any proof?

[00:09:02]>> There's information all over everywhere in Greece and >> That cannot That cannot be That cannot be proven. If you read it, those people who are in doubt, that's what they have said. Anybody Anybody we are in a we are in a state of brokers which can prove anything. Yeah. Yes. Okay.

[00:09:13]>> [laughter] >> It's very unfortunate. It's very unfortunate that you He owes an apology to the people of Ol Kalou people.

[00:09:18]Because you could see the people showed up. They turned up in the tens of thousands.

[00:09:25]>> Yes. You By By comparison, in contrast, the UDA polling stations were empty. Empty. I mean like look, he he All he needs to do is just go and review that evidence. It depends on the time. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.

[00:09:40]I mean, I let you speak.

[00:09:42]You see, it's so so and don't get stung.

[00:09:45]The whole issue is that the UDA a brigade is unable to accept the fact that its popularity on the ground has faded. It it's withered and probably >> are you talking about? Which ground in particular?

[00:10:00]>> I let you speak even though I wanted to let my horses on you. The the the the the whole um episode of the uh nomination uh exemplifies the failure of UDA among the electorate. I mean, this is something in it. You cannot force the uh electorate to like to love your party even though you're ruling. I mean So, you do agree that that that contest is more about the national level politics and not really about the constituents in by Tal.

[00:10:32]>> Largely. Largely because I say largely and there's an element an element of the local politics because uh the local politics for instance is all color. You will see that the people who elected the DCP person had this array of choices and they were able then to demonstrate that this is the most popular The number of online candidates who are competing. Absolutely.

[00:10:54]Absolutely. You you see, so the array of candidates gave the electorate the local quote unquote choice while at the same time the uh voices uh contrasting between UDA and DCP were you know, visibly uh heard and seen. And then you know >> [laughter] >> Mwana hivi. Just hold your horses. Let me finish. I let you speak and you have I'll give you a chance. I'll give you a chance. Uh the the the lessons of uh Berenock appear in my view not to have been learned by DCP or they who are in the opposition because uh if I were them, I would be on the lookout.

[00:11:40]You know, real lookout. Why? Because in Emurua Dikirr, Emurua Dikirr, there there there have been these voices that there is campaigning being done at night.

[00:11:52]And in fact, the IEBC came out yesterday and say that, "Look, we have timelines for you to campaign. It's between 6:00 a.m. and 6:00 p.m." And then there were those on the UDA front saying that, "Look, we let people work during the day and then at night we go to the Excuse me, door-to-door at night you are campaigning."

[00:12:13]What if you are actually there getting their IDs and giving them money? We don't know. So, that is illegal and I think the DCP people who are, you know, confident that their candidate is out there high and dry and probably given the boyance in Kilalao and what they saw is that the figures over there. But remember, you have a wounded UDA totally annihilated and they feel the sting because this is nearer to 2027 than and fair enough.

[00:12:47]And because of that, it has absolutely more significance to them. The loss in both constituencies it will have a larger impact and so therefore, they will go full-fledged to ensure that they do not lose. So, if I were a DCP, I'd have my eyes on the ground and I would ensure there is absolutely no shenanigans being played out out. Even ensure that I have all the materials ready for any legal contest if need be because the people are speaking there.

[00:13:14]And the UDA people go to those camps and you see them, you know, they're leaving and then they're showing you, you know, that that that is one and then they're donning the UDA attire. So, as I conclude, so you can see on the ground and this is to affirm your position. It is still that voice because you see when when you have at a more detail or even in all color, the you know, the dawning of that one finger or the flashing of the one finger in this a one term. The one is not about the constituency. So, so let's agree about that. And so, the the local politics, excuse me, is [clears throat] being subsumed and margin with the national politics to the point that the the local elector wants to send a voice resounding, excuse me, to the day the powers that be that look, we we want to announce to you that your candidate is sending a message to you that we still are one term. And I have about 4 minutes only for your final comment.

[00:14:18]Final comment. There's also a wrong perception that every time you talk about the ground and the likes of Honorable and Andrew here, think about Mount Kenya. They don't think any No, no, no, no. Please don't accuse me of that. And and they have been tutored very well by the leader Honorable Great. Ask him to retract that and apologize.

[00:14:35]I'm very nationalistic.

[00:14:37]I'm very nationalistic. I agree that you're a nationalist, but when it comes to projections and mention about the ground, you are referring to Mount Kenya. No, no, no, no, no. When the elections are coming in 2027 I think that should be retracted. That's not fair. The election retracted, but okay.

[00:14:52]No, no, no, no. You cannot qualify You just retract because that's wrong.

[00:14:56]That's not fair. He's a nationalist.

[00:14:57]He's a nationalist, yes, but my argument is that every time the mention of the ground is put across is in reference to Mount Kenya. We're talking about the ground.

[00:15:09]It was a by the way And when they make projections That's not That's the day of this perception that when you No, no, no, no, no, no. Correct that. a certain village a certain village supporting a certain presidential candidate, you assume that the whole country is thinking that way.

[00:15:23]Now, here is the experiment. That if you talk about Olkalou in the coming by-election, it should be assumed that for DCP to look like it's making sense, they're supposed to get a 100% of the vote because I've been claiming to have the mountain on their back. So, if they fail to get a 100% of the vote, it means that everything they've been saying is hot air. And that is very dangerous to the arrangement of the opposition because our assumption is that the so-called ground, which is Mount Kenya in particular, the assumption by their camp is that it will go to the opposition.

[00:15:57]So, if UDA manages to get any vote, and so far through the credible election nomination of UDA of over 8,000 votes in Olkalou, if that is to go by, then it means that whatever the opposition is relying on in Mount Kenya is hot air.

[00:16:13]Uh I would completely distance myself from his sentiments. Uh and I would want to want to Wamba to understand that even in Kisumu, when Baba was alive, there is always votes for a contester.

[00:16:29]Whether he a presidential candidate or whether who.

[00:16:33]And we have seen even those areas other parties winning from those regions purported to be the so Baba areas. And in this particular case, I would like to tell you, in Olkalou is no difference because we are in a multi-party era. And you're going to find many other many parties not only that DCP in the contest. And those other all those parties are campaigning to win. So, you cannot tell us that we should win in 100%. You have to leave it to the people to make their choices. And a win over one vote is a strong win. And just to a failure by a single vote is a a So, let us agree that we cannot come to to demonize Mount Kenya region as if Mount Kenya is quite special. It's not part of Kenya. It is part of Kenya and we are saying even though because last time you will remember we were able to secure an MC candidate in Narok. That was not Mount But that's their argument. That's their argument with an ethnic We were able Yes, we were we were also able to secure an MC in Western region. They did it still. Let us not sometimes be mad siding that too. All right. Unfortunately, unfortunately in the political realm they engage in this sort of personal ad hominem attacks when they lack the ideas and you can see the president gets on on the rooftop of his vehicle every other day and he's >> [clears throat] >> repeating the same same story and the same same accusations. You know, these are fools. These are people without brains. These are people without ideas.

[00:18:16]Everywhere he goes, that's what he does.

[00:18:18]And launching a market and he says he's launching a market for the umpteenth time. When the road that he's supposed to have done, I don't know to what year to whatever, you know, it it is stuck.

[00:18:28]Even the bare maintenance of it so that it is possible, it's not something being done. So, for him it is out there and this is the problem that we have with our politics that we need to deliver results that are tangible to the Kenyan people other than promising. I would rather that he didn't promise anything to the Kenyan people. Look at the Kibaki regime. The Kibaki regime Kibaki was able to articulate ideas more in a practical sense that the Kenyans found resonating with them and that's why they were patriotic just to answer the former because he's wondering why aren't Kenyans, you know, acting that way.

[00:19:02]Kenyans cannot act that because you're selling politics that is dead. All right. Redundant. Come on. I mean, you need to get to the people and know that this is what they want. They're not asking you to try and convince them. You already have that podium. What will you do new for them in 5 years that you haven't done for them in these 4 years that we are facing? I mean, this is the twilight of your tenure. Wind up.

[00:19:27]>> [laughter] >> Uh let me let me take a sample sample some of the views of people because we asked online um on Facebook. Do you think these mini polls and by-elections are a true test of public mood ahead of the next general election? And uh people are saying Nicodemus Maingi Mwania says, "Whether true or not, the voter who voted in the 2022 election is totally different from the one who will vote next year. Awareness levels are too high coupled with technological advancement."

[00:19:52]Wanyonyi Sa says, "Nope, it seems as though the true participants only come out on the actual voting day. The participants in the mini polls always show anti-government trends until the same government remains in power after the general election and leaves us wondering."

[00:20:07]Mutukutu Idia Amas says, "Not really, those are very minimal spots."

[00:20:12]Lazaro Lwanda says, Okay, I didn't get that one. Mukale Domi says, "Not at all, waves always change within no time. Those being elected now risk not being reelected within those few months." Probably we agree. Umbwera says, "No, like Mbira North, it was stolen. I don't know."

[00:20:28]Adamson, 60% yes. Onchiri Steve, kuna watu wanaongea huku online, but ikifika election day hakuna mtu wala kupiga kura.

[00:20:36]And uh Min Shaban says, "Nope." Fabi Fabiano says, "Yes." Well, thank you so much for your feedback and continue watching TV 47 Breakfast and interacting with us on all our social media pages. Once again, thank you, gentlemen, James Gakuya, MP of Embakasi North, Fwamba NC, Fwamba political analyst, and Wakili Harrison Kinyanjui for your time at TV 47.

[00:20:55][music] Asanteni sana. After the break, we switch gears. Anold Dida will be having another conversation, including on matters health, so do stand by for that.

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