This shift from a lunar landing to an LEO docking test exposes the stark reality of NASA's hardware shortages and the logistical fragility of the SLS program. It is a pragmatic compromise that effectively turns a historic milestone into a glorified, high-stakes rehearsal.
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Ej's Space and Rocket Revue! 5/13/26Added:
What's going on everybody? It's May 13th, 2026. I have no idea what day it is. I know the date, but I don't know if it's a Wednesday or whatever.
>> Discovery go throttle up.
>> Wednesday. I think it's Wednesday. I think it's Wednesday. I'm pretty sure.
This is the space and rocket review.
Hey Redbeard, what's going on over in the YouTube chat? What's going on Twitch? How are you? Oki tier three 134month resub. It's Wednesday. Cool. I Yeah, I lost I lost it, dude. So, what kind of ice cream did you get, Bri? Bri got a peanut butter Reese's peanut butter cup sundae.
I got a banana split and I ate it and it was good.
All right. So, we should be teeing up a there should be CRS 34 happening now.
So, I will try to get us to jump right in. They are 50% go currently or >> clamp arms are significant because they help to stabilize the rocket during fueling.
Throttle up.
>> Hello. Hello. What's up?
Dairy Queen. Yes. Yes. Mhm.
Uh there's al also while I was taking a break, uh the NASA just decided to drop some pretty hard Artemis 3 news. So, uh yeah, there's that.
>> Space launch complex 40.
>> Okay, 5 minutes out. So, this is CRS 34.
CRS 34 is a commercial resupply mission.
Uh that's what CRS stands for, commercial resupply services.
Technically, it is a uncrrewed Dragon capsule that's going to the International Space Station.
>> Uh the Dragon flying today is Dragon C209 on its sixth flight. The first stage that's moving today is booster 1096 on its sixth flight. They're launching from Slick 40 and they're Oh, wait a minute.
That's 51.6 degree inclination on the north on the ascending. Oh, hold up.
>> And there's confirmation the strong back is beginning to retract.
>> Discovery weather.
>> We might get a shot of those clamp arms opening up around the rocket here in just a second. All told, that maneuver there we go. Takes about 15 seconds for them to fully open. And then at this point, the strong back is able to recline to give it room for liftoff.
>> See the pad over there.
>> And again, now that those clamp arms are fully open, the vehicle is standing fully free at the top.
>> The launch tower strong back will begin.
>> Hey, thanks. I I appreciate it, man.
It's been a >> It's been a rough week for your boy. I don't have the patience that I usually do. I'm just trying to we're just trying to get through it.
Healthwise, we're doing just fine. Uh yeah, Bri's doing just fine. I just got I just got her ice cream. She believe me, she's doing just fine right now.
But uh yeah, uh I'm uh I'm struggling with what happened a little bit.
I'll be all right.
Maybe starting next week I'll be good.
But Freedom 250 is on the upper stage. I like that. I like that 250 logo. That 250 logo is great.
May I recommend and strong and dick?
What? What? What? Bless you.
Dragon two error. What's missing from a cargo dragon versus a crew dragon? Uh the launch escape system. JP seats, the command console for for the pilot and the commander. Uh, and yeah, that's about it. It they don't have the launch escape system. The N cells that have the launch abort or the launch escape system are just they're just fairings on the side of Dragon.
That's so it can carry more. 2 minute 30 seconds out.
>> Primary communications and avionics.
>> No, I'm not.
>> No. What you can recommend IS SHUTTING UP. OH, GOT HIM.
>> The engine gimbal or wiggle test. And this is when SpaceX will move the nozzles ever so slightly to make sure that the guidance hardware is acceptable for flight. SpaceX does not does the same checkouts on the first stage engines and I'll take that seconds before exactly 20 minutes before lift.
>> All right, should be good doing the ground.
>> Exactly what I was about to say. We are ready for that stage 2 liquid oxygen load complete off again some 260 miles above Earth. the International Space Station orbiting and ready to receive cargo. And they are currently going to be off the coast of New Finland.
Seconds, we'll hear about >> hear the auto idle and the gas closeouts. And those gas closeouts refer to the venting and closing out of gaseous systems tanks sealing all the vents to maintain pressure.
>> Are we going to fly?
>> I'll let you know in about 20 seconds.
>> Clouds that are billowing around the rocket right now. That is the liquid oxygen. As it warms slightly inside the tanks, some of it boils off and that gas is vented to manage pressure. And when the vented oxygen% >> probability, it constantly condenses into clouds. Similar principle as your breath on a cold morning just on a much bigger scale.
>> All right, go for start.
>> Falcon 9 has entered startup.
>> There is that confirmation we were waiting for that Falcon 9 >> and Dragon are in startup mode at this point. Our onboard flight computers have taken over the countdown. Just inside of t-minus 2 seconds, the nine Merlin 1D engines on the Falcon 9 first stage will ignite. Once they're at full power, Falcon 9 will lift off the pad and begin its climb to orbit.
>> We are listening in for the final go.
>> Yep, there it is.
>> We are no go due to violations of launch weather rules.
>> The cumulus cloud all day.
>> The launch auto sequence has been aborted. can tell because of the way it is.
>> Uh it's a this is a commercial resupply mission. We were listening for our launch director to call go for launch.
Instead, we heard a hold called.
>> So they they called a hold it cumulus cloud all day. You could tell because of the way it is. Um hey beats. Uh yeah, it's probably a 24hour. Um yeah, I I'm kind of wondering why they let it go to 30. They usually whatever it doesn't doesn't matter. Um the way it is is sad. Those are sad sagge clouds for sure. Um so yeah CRS 34 is so what these missions this commercial resupply services. This is the 34th commercial resupply mission uh for the ISS for SpaceX. Uh I'm just trying to see if this is carrying anything weird.
No, not really. Look, excuse me. So, what this thing is basically carrying is food. Food and water.
>> Uh, >> just isn't in our favor.
>> Yeah, this carries like food, water, clothes, stuff like that. It It's just resupply to resupply this the station up there. No special late loads. Uh, I don't know if this one had a late load on it, KJ. I don't I don't know. I've been very much out of the space flight loop for like the past week and a half, which is why we're going to move right over into space news here.
Uh, cargo won't say yet.
Not good. This is not good. No, everything's good. Hey doggy, what's going on? Next attempt is on Friday at 6:05. Oh, okay.
You had a late load, but then the fiber kicked in.
Did your load hit max Q or something with from all the fiber or whatever?
So guys, what I usually do with my space news segments is tell you guys what's going on in the space flight industry, but I think we might need to do the flip of that. I think you guys need to tell me what's happening because I am way out of the loop. I am a week out of phase for my space flights. Jesse moved from Falcon to the Starbase team. Oh, interesting. Do you know they caught a booster?
Not in the past week and a half. They didn't.
Or astronauts went around the moon. it.
I didn't say when. No, you didn't. But I did. I said I if it's happened in the past week, I don't know.
You said they caught a booster. They have not caught a booster in the last week. You li Are you lying to me?
>> Discovery.
>> Do that. Just go on the internet and tell lies.
Relativity posted posted a new update.
The AXMU is still non-existent.
Reverse Uno card. NASA sent the first American into space. Okay. Stoke flight hardware.
This is This is not how I wanted this to go.
All right. We'll start with the Artemis 3 preliminary. That's what came out today, dudes. So, let's uh let's see what we got here.
Big SpaceX Starship update. Yeah, I think we'll hit those ones, dude.
All right. NASA outlines preliminary Artemis 3 mission plans. All right. What do we got? What do we got? Center that text. So, NASA's moving quickly to define next year's Artemis 3 mission in Earth orbit. a crude flight test that will rendevous do that will test rendevous docking capabilities between the agency's Orion spacecraft and commercial landers from Borgon and SpaceX.
Since a February announcement adding an Aremis mission ahead of the crude landing missions to the lunar south polear region, engineers have been evaluating mission profile options and operational considerations for Artemis 3 to ensure the test flight helps the agency and its partners reduce risk ahead of the next Americans on the moon during Artemis 4.
Rocket Lab bought a few more aerospace companies. Okay, huge Dreamchaser announcement. It's still doing absolutely nothing. Wrecked.
Man is returning. Hey, geek.
So, while this is a mission to Earth orbit, it is an important stepping stone to successfully landing on the moon with Artemis 4. Artemis 3 is one of the most highly complex missions NASA has undertaken, said Jeremy Parsons, moon to Mars acting assistant deputy administrator, NASA's exploration systems development mission directorate in Washington.
That guy's job title is moon to Mars acting assistant deputy administrator NASA's exploration systems development mission directorate in Washington.
That's your job title.
Oh, I like that predominant. I can't view Imager though.
He he handles moon to Mars stuff. He handles the lunar program in Washington.
You could just say that.
For the first time, NASA will coordinate a launch campaign involving multiple spacecraft integrating new capabilities into Aremis operations. We're integrating more partners and interrelated operations into this mission by design, which will help us learn how Orion, the crew, and and ground teams all interact together with hardware and teams from both lander providers before we send astronauts to the moon surface and build a base there.
By the way, since you were gone, Apollo 11 landed on the moon.
Okay.
Thank you.
the I I've only been gone a week. I have not been gone 53 years. Not even 53 yet.
Okay. The mission is planned to carry out a series of objectives designed to demonstrate critical systems needed for a future lunar landing. During the Artemis 3 mission, the space launch system rocket will launch the Orion spacecraft from NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Florida with four crew members. Instead of using the interim cryogenic propulsion stage as the upper stage of the rocket, NASA will use a spacer. a representation of the mass and overall dimensions of an upper stage built without propulsive capabilities.
The spacer will maintain the same overall dimensions and interface connection points as the upper stage between Orion between the Orion stage adapter and a launch vehicle stage adapter.
Franco is still okay.
Just download the image. I don't think it'll let me.
Nope, it won't let me.
We'll figure out something else. You could just link it to me in Discord, dude.
What is the mass of the upper stage of an ICPS? Uh, give me one second.
about about 33 tons, 72,97 lbs.
The spacer will maintain the same overall dimensions and interface connection points as the upper stage between the Orion stage adapter and the large in the launch vehicle stage adapter. Design and fabrication activities for the spacer are progressing rapidly at NASA Marshall NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama. Material for the barrel section in upper and the upper and lower rings is currently being machined at Marshall in preparation for the upcoming welding operations.
and they proceed to follow it with a picture of Kennedy Space Center.
Okay.
Artemis 3 core sits in High Bay 2 in the vehicle assembly building at NASA Kennedy with the core stage tank attached to its engine section. Hey Space Pulp, what's up? Are they going to put a probe or something on orbit at least so we get more out of the launch?
I don't think so.
After the rocket delivers Orion to orbit, the spacecraft's European service module will provide propulsion to circularize Orion's orbit around the planet in low Earth orbit.
This orbit increases overall mission success by allowing more launch opportunities for each element as compared to a lunar mission. Celeste carrying Orion and its crew. SpaceX SpaceX's Starship human landing system Pathfinder and Blue Origin's Blue Moon Mark II human landing system Pathfinder.
Informed by Blue Origin and SpaceX capabilities, NASA's also defining the concept of operations for the mission.
So those are called conops for short.
While some decisions are yet to be determined, astronauts could potentially enter at least one lander test article.
The crew will spend more time aboard Orion than during Artemis 2, further advancing the evaluation of life support systems and for the first time will demonstrate the docking systems performance.
The mission will inform lander rendevous and habitation concepts and mission operations in preparation for future surface missions. The agency also plans to test an upgraded heat shield during Orion's return to Earth to enable more flexible and robust re-entry profiles for future missions.
More toilet testing. Yep, there's the ESM doing acoustic testing. Yes, those are stacks of speakers.
Over the coming weeks, NASA will continue to refine specific plans for the flight, including a timeline for identifying astronauts to train for mission operations, options to evaluate Axioms AXMU space suit lander interfaces ahead of lunar surface missions, mission duration, and potential science operations for the flight.
That's a hell of a sentence.
NASA asked for industry input on potential solutions to improve the communications with the ground during the mission since the deep space network will not be used. The agency is also seeking both international and domestic interest in potentially flying cubats to deploy in earth orbit and maybe share other opportunities as the concepts of oper concept of operations for the mission is further defined.
Huh.
As part of the golden age of innovation and exploration, NASA will send Artemis astronauts on increasingly difficult missions to explore more of the moon for scientific discovery, economic benefits, establish an enduring human presence on the lunar surface, and build on our foundation for the first crude missions.
So that all right. Well, there we go. We have confirmation.
We have confirmation there that NASA is going to build an ICPS spacer. The idea there is that they can save the last remaining interim cryogenic propulsion stage for the Aremis 4 mission.
What they're trying to do with that is make sure that they they have a way to get Orion out to the moon so we can do the landing in 2028. And if the landers are ready, the landing in 2028 can happen and SLS won't be a bottleneck.
>> Switching Artemis 3 to a lower Earth orbit mission enables you basically means I mean you could just put Orion on top. You just put Orion on top of the core stage, but >> they don't want to do that because then it screws the mobile launcher. All the arms aren't in the right spots.
Best basis. Thank you so much, EJ. I know if I I really tried I could find this stuff, but because of you I don't have to. Yep. Yep. What Pona Dunk was trying to send. I know. I'll save that.
Well, we can use that. That's cool. Cool picture.
Oh. Oh. Oh. This is space. I'm in space.
Isn't that thing SSTTO capable with just the capsule? Well, yes. Yes, but no, but yes.
Space pole gifted five and big C had a 47month resub in there. What are the main differences from Artemis 2? Well, deep this this mission is not going to the moon.
Uh, hear me out. Instead of using an ICPS spacer, you launch a space station module instead.
I mean, what you could do is what we could have done, what we should have done is just put a lander in there, but hey, whatever. No matter. Um, what was the questions? I'm sorry. It's you. Please bear with me. It's going to take me a second to answer these. Uh, what are the main differences? So yeah, this is going to low Earth orbit, but it's rendevousing with the lander. So instead of so like deep, they they took Orion and separated from the upper stage, turned Orion around, went back towards the stage, backed up, turned the stage, and went back towards the stage again. Uh they did a rendevous proximity demonstrations or rendevous proximity operations demonstration. So Arpod is what they called it.
They did everything but dock with the upper stage. The reason why they didn't dock with the upper stage because the upper stage didn't have a docking port on it, right? And then they so they they you know left the stage and then they went out to the moon. This is not going to have an upper stage. SLS is going to put it into orbit, right? Orion's going to separate.
Uh it's going to get into low Earth orbit and then it'll do our pods rendevous proximity operations docking, not demonstrations with Starship or with Blue Moon Mark II. Either one. So, this one's going to stay in LEO and it's going to test out Orion's docking capability and make sure that the landers are good to go. That's the idea.
Does that mean they're boilerplating the ICPS for Artemis 3? Yes, they are boilerplating it. They're working on a spacer at Marshall. Pokey, if I had to guess, they're probably using a qualification test article and just like use the qual article for for the ICPS and just make the spacers for it and call it a day.
Um, the reason why the reason why uh they want to do this guys is because they only have three interim stage. Well, they they only ordered three interim stages initially.
Um uh uh they were only supposed to use one and then in 2018 NASA decided to buy two more from ULA and then that's it. They they they only bought three Delta IV stage Del Delta Ford derived upper stages for SLS. Uh, and they don't have anymore. And they can't make anymore either. The reason why they can't make anymore is because the Delta IV rocket system was retired, right? And the ULA got rid of all the tooling. They switched the tooling over for Vulcan if anything. So, they can't make any more stages.
What's up? Are your kidneys good? You're looking kind of yellow.
I don't know, man. I don't know what's going on. The camera may have updated or something, dude. I don't know.
Let me take a look.
I don't know, dude. It's just the way the camera decided to do things today.
All the settings seem right, bro. I have no idea.
>> Discovery, go at throttle. There's so much going on. Can you identify what the next step next steps by whom we're looking for?
What?
Arctic 59month resub. So glad we aren't making each SLS a work of art. I'm just busting your balls. Yeah, I I know.
Uh, Tangality base here. The Eagle has landed.
>> NASA is worried about throwing away another ICPS when they are going to be throwing an entire SLS in the drink for this LEO mission. Mind you, we would have had tested Orion's docking abilities if we didn't cancel that expensive constellation program.
>> Couldn't have said it better myself, dork.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
We wouldn't have this problem if we had kept going with constellation. Wouldn't have this problem, you know. Uh but uh here we are. Um they are also putting Starlink on Orion.
Cool.
That's his name. Dork Mingus tipped $3.
First part of the message is kind of off though. You can order new SLS. You can order ICB. I I don't mind SLS doing a LEO mission. Personally, I don't mind that. Uh they did the hell was that?
They did it with uh Saturn 5. The Apollo 9 mission. They sent the Saturn 5 into LEO to test the lander out. So, it's not the stupidest idea.
Yeah, but we saved 30 billion 30 billion by spending an extra 90 billion. Wait a second. Yeah, it sounds like government accounting to me, Tessa. Just saying.
So, no moon landings if we had constellation.
What?
I What do you mean? Beats. no moon landing. If if we had kept going with Constellation and the Constellation program ended up getting flatfunded like SLS, we would be basically at let me think I'd say we would have we would be pretty much at like the Aries uh Aries 5 test flight at this point. most likely. Uh yeah, Aries 5 test we Aries 5 would be flight would be operational by now and we'd be getting ready for for going to the moon. Uh even with all the delays like yeah even if constellation ended up getting flatfunded like SLS did yeah we would Aries one would be flying pretty operationally. Aries one would probably fly I don't know once or twice a year.
That's about it. Um, and we would be retooling uh we would be retooling 39A for Aries 5 at this point if we'd kept going with constellation.
Um, yeah, I I I'd say we might even be at the moon. It's possible. Um, considering SLS is more or less uh flying on Aries 5's time scales, if you look at it, if you look at the projected flight dates for Aries 5, they pretty much jive exactly with SLS's launch dates. So, I'd say we'd be past the operational mission and we may have done one moon landing by now with if the constellation program just kind of kept going. Even with the flat funding that it was at, it would have been way behind schedule, but we probably we probably would have had a lunar landing by now.
Um, yeah, Hellfish, that's what I'm thinking. We we would be even even with all the delays, even if the constellation program got flatfunded, we would we would still uh yeah, we would we would be back on the moon by now. Now that I'm really thinking about it, >> Discovery, go at Throttle Up.
>> They should have never canceled it.
Well, yeah, guys. I mean, I've told I've talked about that many times. I don't want to bore anybody today. Uh 48 hour turnaround for Dragon. That's correct. Ride Tech. Yep. Yep.
I have a feeling that had they not cancelled Constellation in 2010, they'd have canceled it in 2017.
No, I don't think so. I think Aries one with Orion probably would have uh I'm thinking Aries 1 probably would have started flying around 2017 2018 I'd say and by the time DM2 came around uh yeah we would at least have an Orion that we know is capable of docking etc., etc. Uh, um, Aries 5.
How far do you think booster 19 and ship 39 will go this flight? Ghost, Vera, I think they're going to work for what it's worth. Are we saying that this spacer will be connected to the SRBs? pu pushing the Orion capsule and service module.
No, it no. Um, no. It No, the Artemis 3 SLS will look exactly like the Artemis 2 SLS. From the outside, you won't be able to know the difference. Only us nerds will know the difference.
So, the ICPS. All right. Here, look.
Uh okay. So here the ICPS is uh it's a a fully cryogenic second stage with an RL10B2 in it. Um and how this whole thing works if you look at the hydrogen tank. This is a hydrogen tank and then inside of all this insulation is the locks tank. how this all works. And then your olage your oolled helium tanks are kind of sitting here on this truss structure that connects the two tanks together.
How this all works guys is um your vehicle staging adapter will attach here. So uh so if we look at uh you know SLS right you see this cone piece right here so this is your core stage so at the bottom of the core stage you have the MPS then your hydrogen tank then what's called an inner tank then your locks tank and then this thing with the checkerboard on it that's called the FS that's the forward skirt and then on top of that you have your LVSA, launch vehicle staging adapter. The top rim of the orange launch vehicle staging adapter attaches right here.
It attaches to this part. The idea now, why why do this? Why why why would we do that? Why not just put why not just have it push the entire upper stage up there?
Well, the idea here is that you your liquid oxygen tank doesn't have to be structurally sound. it it just needs to be good enough to hold the liquid oxygen inside of it. The reason why is because on the way up when the vehicle is launching on the way up, you're basically pulling the stage here. So just these parts, these strut truss these truss braces are just holding it. They're pulling the they're pulling the the locks tank and this is called the ICPS aft deck right here. That's that piece and then the RL10. They're just kind of hanging there. And then when you separate and they go to fire, right, it'll push the whole thing forward.
Now, uh, so your hydrogen tank is only in is only what's called in the load path of SLS.
The locks tank is getting pulled up. The hydrogen tank is what's taking the load path from the uh from the core stage and the SRBs. Right? This piece right here, that's the hydrogen tank. Now, once again, why would you do this? Well, you save mass. Your locks tank doesn't need to be as strong because it doesn't need to handle two SRBs and four shuttle engines pushing on it. You only need to reinforce the hydrogen tank. And that's why the hydrogen tank has these stringers on it. That's why it has this checkerboard thing going on. Now, once again, what the spacer is probably going to look like is this, just minus the truss pieces and this whole back part.
The spacer is probably that.
Yeah, I I'll bet you they'll use a hydrogen tank. Uh they'll probably use the qualification test article for the ICPS program. Uh if I had to guess, they'll probably use this and uh they just won't attach anything to it. It will quite actually just be uh the tank and they'll probably just pressurize the tank with like nitrogen or something.
Um, and call it a day.
Important question. Will be the Will the spacer be orange? I don't know, man.
Welcome back. Stage and a half. Yep.
They called out manufacturing of a barrel segment and rings in the press release.
Yeah, Zilancho. And so whatever design it is, it seems newly manufactured.
It's possible. Yeah. I mean, that is the way it kind of sounded, didn't it?
Just wondering if they have 5.4 meter tooling to make this at Marshall.
Hm.
How do you How do you They'll control the spacer for re-entry RCS. This never separates from the core stage on Artemis 3. It doesn't separate like it did on Artemis 2. It'll just stay attached.
They'll just bolt it. No need for a decoupler or a spacer. You're not going to jettison the the tank. It's just going to stay with the core stage and uh Orion will separate and that's it.
So, what happens if when they have no lander to use for Artemis 3?
I don't know. SLS won't be the bottleneck. I do know that.
Yeah.
Yeah. SLS won't be your bottleneck at that point.
That's for sure.
Do we know how far along HLS is?
Nope.
Nope. I have no idea. So, how do you feel about no upper stage?
Uh, any news on the suits? Nope. Well, not that I know of. And I don't know. I've been out of the loop, dude. I basically have not been doing any space news for the past week and a half.
Um, Trey, how do I feel?
Let me think.
Hey, dude.
Here's kind of where I'm at, okay? Like Let me get comfortable.
Here's where I'm at. I don't mind if Artemis 3 goes to Leo. I really don't.
Getting more flight data on an SLS is good.
And you know, if Jared can do what I think he's going to do, I thought, you know, in the past that he said post like Artemis 5, you know, we're going to use we're going to explore commercial options. What I think he meant by that is that they're going to commercialize SLS and have SLS running under its own. NASA's going to spin it off because it's technology readiness level is high enough and spin the SLS program off into a commercial company.
This is what they did during the shuttle program. Um, and then NASA will buy SLS's for their lunar missions.
I'm pretty sure that's what's going to happen. Um, so Artemis 3, you know, people are looking at it like, oh, we're going to waste a core state.
We have a finite amount of shuttle engines right now, but they're being replaced by the RS25E program, which is already a thing. So, and they've already made engines. They're testing RS25Es right now, and they're building new ones. So, screw it. All right.
Do I like that SLS is using RS25s in an expendable capacity? No, I hate it.
Um, I'm not going to also say we shouldn't be using something that works.
If it works, use it. I If the, you know, if the suit fits, then wear it, right?
Like, it kind of sucks. But Artemis 3, I don't I don't really mind Artemis 3 using a spacer like this. That's probably a good idea. Um, I I thought it would be kind of cool to shoot Artemis 3 off into a HEO orbit. Shoot shoot it into the same orbit that uh, Artemis 2 went into and then use the service propulsion system for the Apogee rays burn and go from there. But they don't and they don't want to do that.
Um, it is kind of a it's it's kind of a waste of a core stage having Orion have a low Earth orbit option at this point, a LEO launch vehicle like on top like putting Orion on top of New Glenn or Vulcan or something. Um, yeah, that's probably a good idea, but I don't know if it can go on Vulcan. New Glenn. Yeah, that would be super useful to have right now, but it's okay. Um, HLS Starship critical design review is at the end of quarter 2. Cool. Have you read Heinline? The Moon is a harsh mistress. No, I have not. Um, like here's where I'm at, dudes. Like, and I ain't trying to be cynical, you know? We're on the right track. It's just we took a really, you know, circular way of getting to the right track. Like we did like three loop-de-loops to get on the right track.
But, um, look, Artemis 3, no, it has that spacer stage. I don't care. That's fine. Test the landers out. I I'm really wondering if the landers are going to be finished. Now, this does buy you some time because with Artemis 4, you have an upper stage that you can send out to the moon. Good idea. Uh, I think that's a good idea, but I think that also in itself is another interim solution. Um, I would be very curious where SLS goes from here. You have one ICPS to do one mission to the moon in 2028.
What do you do after that?
Yeah, sure. We could have more SLS core stages. We could have more SRBs. What are you doing after that? I I'm wondering if there's going to be a gap in flight capability between 2028 and the next lunar landing.
The EU EOSML2 things are what really makes me the the determination that 26 would be a miracle if there was a landing. 28 would be a miracle if it was uh Hellfish, you could do it this way. I mean, either way, you're still dependent on the landers. Uh, is it true that SpaceX and Blue Origin need to do their own landing tests before NASA uses them? Yes, I think it's vulnerable to cancellation after that. They awarded the Centaur 5 stuff. I thought, uh, yeah, Trey, that was done very much in haste. Um, here's my thing.
Uh, I I I'll just keep this short just in case anybody's hasn't heard this. Um, you're not putting Centaur 5 on top of SLS is not a shortterm solution. It's not a short-term solution because you can't you can't it's not like you can just develop a different sized vehicle staging adapter, right, and send it.
Centaur 5 can't handle the loads. I'm 100% sure of this. How do I know? Uh, I know physics. Do I have some inside source at NASA? No. But I know Centaur cannot handle that. There's no way a Centaur 5 stage is rated for 300% load uh safety factor. There's not a chance in hell. I'm sorry. Stages just aren't engineered like that. And I know what people are saying, EJ, you're pulling that out of your tail. You're pulling that out of your tail. It's like that what what I'm describing is like saying a car can survive a 60 mph hit and not be damaged.
That's basically what NASA is saying.
Oh, we'll just make this car uncrashable.
What?
What are you talking about?
Just auto strut the heaviest part. Well, that invites the Kraken. Uh, could they do low Earth transfer with Dragon and Starship to help with those gaps? Dragon has docking parts.
Beats maybe if they wanted to contract SpaceX out to do that. Sure.
What could happen? Uh, you deleted that.
Okay, never mind.
So, now here's the thing. Can you put a centaur on top of SLS? Sure. You would need the the modifications that you'd need to do to put it up there. Remember how I told you the ICPS guys, uh the locks tank from the ICPS is hanging, right? It's out of the critical load path. You would have to do that with the entirety of Centaur.
So, Centaur would have to be uh you would need an adapter that attaches to the bottom of a Centaur and then an adapter that attaches to the top of the Centaur to take Centaur out of the critical load path because it'll get smooshed if you put an Orion on top of it and an SLS core stage below it. So, you know, I I've said in the past that it's impossible you can't put a Centaur 5 up there. That's not the right way to say it. You can.
that is not a short-term solution and it's being buil as a short-term solution which is not right. That's disingenuous at best. Um you're that is something that is going to take a fair bit of time to redesign. Um, what I mean by that is like that adapter, unless I mean unless Jared Isaacman can really work some magic at NASA, and it looks like he might like I'm I'm not going to say that he isn't, right? He's I think he's a great I think he's a great NASA administrator. You Hold on.
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Okay. not anything useful. Uh, sorry that was me. Uh, I have my phone off silent just in case Bri needs me and she just linked me crap posts from Reddit. So, there's that. Um, so here's the thing. Uh, okay. Let's say let's say they do get the adapter made for Centaur in time and we are in a position we're in a position to launch Orion to the moon a bunch of times. Like let's say we can get another mission in in 2028 with a Centaur 5.
You're still okay. You where are your landers? Is SpaceX and Blue going to have another set of landers ready?
SpaceX or blue. Now, what do we do? Do we do alterating alternating miss alterating missions? Like what where do we go from here? Like say all that happens and the landers aren't ready for another flight, right?
Like what happens? I'll give you another hypothetical and this is like worst case scenario, right? But NASA there's no way that NASA isn't thinking about this.
What if the Aremis 3 mission fails?
Not fails like it kills astronauts. What if like they get to the lander and the lander's like, "Now, I don't want to land today. Piss off." Right? Okay. And then they have to come home. Now what?
Now what do you do?
Where's your next rocket?
Centaur. Putting Centaur up there is a cool thing to do. Like, don't get me wrong, I don't mind it.
And I don't mind the spacer, just like I don't mind the spacer on Artemis 3. But all of these are just okay. This is where this is where EJ's opinion this is my opinion. Uh you know what? I'm not even going to precurse that with this is my opinion. This is what NASA needs to be doing. But I don't think that I don't think this is going to happen. I I think NASA should have their own way to get to the moon. NASA should have an Apollo style way to get to the moon that just gets two people to the surface or four because Orion, right? To that it just you need a way that gets four people to the surface, four people in four space suits and that's it. You because think about it like this in the future, you're not always going to need a Starship HLS.
You're not always going to need Blue Moon Mark II, right?
I mean, Blue Moon Mark II might be good enough, but what I would argue to do is to put Blue Moon Mark II on top of a higher powered upper stage on SLS and then put Orion on top of it. So, you don't have to worry about refueling Blue Moon I on the way out to the moon. You could just use it to land Apollo style, which I don't know, maybe they'll do that in the future. But I do believe that if we're going to sustainably explore the moon base, right, at least in the next 5 years, like in the next 5 years, how many times are we going to go to the moon? Once are we going to go twice?
Jared Isaacman in his ignition plans plans on, you know, permanent habitation in the 2030s. Okay, the 2030s are five years, well, four years away. Well, three and a half if you really want to be technical. I hate that so much. But you know what I'm saying, right? Like it's three and a half years away.
Okay. What can get done in three and a half years? Do do you think SpaceX SpaceX might have Starship scaled by then? Do you think Blue will have multiple landers ready to go? These are the questions that you need to ask. The answer to those questions might be yes, it's possible. But I would think that at the end of the day, it should always NASA should always have their own way to get there with a co what's called a co-manifest. They should they should have something like the Saturn 5 like so they should have their own lander in-house lander with Orion that they can get to the lunar base it just in case there's something weird happening with the commercial partners or say you know their landers aren't ready or etc etc you know always have their own way to do things just in case the heck was that just in case right I think that's what that's the most sustainable way forward.
But I I highly doubt that that's going to happen. What most likely is going to happen is that SLS is going to move to a commercial procurement and there maybe NASA will buy like five or six more of those things to get people out to the moon and then use the commercial landers and then I think once Starship is fully human rated there's really no NASA is going to see really no reason why we should that NASA should be launching their own stuff inhouse that I have Starbase Live going guys that's what that was that was a hub hub Shraba.
I that's most likely what's going to happen. And I I don't know. I I guess just as a spaceflight band, I'm always going to argue for more redundant architecture because for the past 50 years, we've been making compromises like this and it's never ended. Well, that's the short version. Um, could Dragon get to the moon? It's possible. Shark Tails, I approve of your rejection of hedge.
Everything we say can be assumed to be our opinions and my opinion never needs to be said. Yeah. Well, yeah. The the reason why I the reason why I I try to speak with conviction nowadays, mayor, is because this is what needs to happen.
It's what needs to happen. Okay, let's talk about let's talk about hedging your bets. So EJ wants I want a LEM on top of an the EU with Orion on top of it. So when we go when we go to the moon, the EOS shoots us out there. Orion turns around, it plucks a LEM off of the uh you know thing and then off of the upper stage and then it goes and does an Apollo style mission to the South Pole.
I know there's some serious glaring Delta V problems with with doing that. I understand that. I'm saying fix that.
Right. I say we do that. If NASA did a crash course in doing that right now, right?
You know, we could probably get that figured out by the 2030s, right? And then you have a way to constantly get to the moon. It's not what if the suits are finished or what if the lander's finished or what if this is finished? What about this? What about refueling? What about that? No, you have a simple way to get to the surface of the moon. That's it. Now, I know what people are going to say like, okay, so but what if Starship is a thing? What what what happens when Starship happens?
Okay. Worst case scenario here, we have two ways to get to the moon. One of them is a one co one launch co-manifested launch that will absolutely get you there.
That inadvertently buys down risk for Starship. You're not putting so much pressure on SpaceX to get that thing done in any usable time scale. I mean, they they're going to do it on their own time scale, right? But that makes it so Starship, they can cook with Starship and they can get it done and they can get it done. Right. Right. You're not putting any additional schedule pressure on SpaceX that they already didn't put on themselves. Right.
That that's why I think that's a better solution. uh you know okay at say Blue Moon Mark II and say Starship do everything that we want them to do you know but you know NASA built out their own lander on top of all that right say that happened okay what's the worst case scenario here we have three ways of getting to the moon I don't think anybody should I don't think anybody should be upset about that right like I don't think anybody should be upset about that I wouldn't be upset about that would you be upset about that. I' I'd take that deal. You take that deal.
I'd take that deal.
Why is refillable landers even a part of this program to begin with? Whose idea was that? Well, the re the refillable landers uh came out of compromising the design. RJ, this is why I always say we shouldn't have cancelled consolation.
$30 billion.
This is why I always say that refillable landers aren't a bad thing. I don't hate refillable landers. I love Starship.
Starship's amazing. We got flight 12, baby. And we'll talk about that more in a second. And I think it's going to be awesome. I love Starship. I love Blue Moon. New Glenn, Blue Moon Mark II onorbit refuel refueling and transfer vehicles and and boiloff mitigation techniques and ISRU stuff. I want all that. I I don't I don't hate commercial.
I want all that stuff, right?
But all we're in the pickle that we're in because we you know we got rid of constellation and you know we replaced it with a commercial option and one of those commercial options just happened to be successful to replace Aries 1. So Falcon and Dragon happened to be pretty damn good. I'd argue that every other commercial option with the exception of Signis has failed miserably in commercialization. Commercializing stuff in the name of saving money for NASA is just double speak for defunding NASA.
But we keep making compromises with our AR architecture. We compromise and we compromise and we compromise and we compromise and we ended up NASA that's that just ends with NASA having less capability, right? And then we look for a short-term solution like commercialization to fix it. Now, how's that going with the AXMU or our landers at this point? Right?
This is what I mean about having more landers. If we had if NASA had their own in in-house lander, yes. Would it take a long time? Sure. Absolutely. Would it probably be superbly expensive compared to a commercial option? Yeah, sure.
>> I'm not going to sit here and pretend that SLS doesn't cost a lot of money to fly. Of course it does. I'd argue you could bring the cost down if you launch it more, right?
But if we oh, I don't know, get into another space race. Might be prudent to have that capability already kind of there and ready to go, right? If we just kept going with the constellation program, we wouldn't even be in a space race with chi with the Chinese right now. We wouldn't even be in a space race with them. We would have already won. We would already won before they even had a chance.
You know, I'm not going to say no to more landers. And I'm not going to compromise I'm not I'm not going to say that commercialization is your end- all beall solution to compromised architecture because it's not, you know.
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15month resub. Give me some plate steel in a couple weeks. I'll build a frame around Centaur. No problem.
Half half million steel. It'll only be a little sketchy. Yeah, it'll be fine.
Now, the argue the argument for in in pro of refuelable landers, R.J. is that you have a much more sustainable architecture for exploring the moon. You can reuse the lander unlike the LEM, right? Unlike the LEM. That makes sense, right? That's Yeah. All right. I get that.
But we decided to do that. And then we also decided that we were we wanted to go back we wanted to go back in 2028.
>> So now we have an architecture that's going to take some time to make, right?
And we also need to do it quickly. We're in a really bad that's a really bad spot. That's terrible. It's it's breaking a couple of rules. I mean, I think NASA's up to the challenge with Jared and Amit running it. I I really do. Um, and I I don't doubt Jared Isaacman. I I I'm a little skeptical of the plans, but I I genuinely think he's got a good head on his shoulders and he will fix it.
He'll figure it out. I I just really don't want this to end with SLS only launching with a Centaur on top of it.
That That's just a gigantic waste.
I mean, we have super heavy lift capability that capability that's operational at this point. I I would say leverage that. You know, I know what people are going to say, well, but what about Starship? What about New Glenn?
What about Starship? What about altitude? Why would we do that with Starship? We could save money if we I'm like, yeah, dude, you could save money if you want NASA to pawn off their spaceflight capability. saving money, you know, saving money by cancelling SLS is if you want to do that, that's fine.
I suppose we're in a little bit different precedent because we have the commercial partners, right? But I I I do not think that it is a wise decision to put have have a a commercial partner be the only available access to uh a commercial partner being only the only available access to a lunar base for instance.
NASA can't you know even with our current ignition architecture that Jared Isaacman is rolling out NASA is still beholden to commercial operations to get anything near their moon base. You need Blue Origin and you need SpaceX.
I don't think that's a good idea. What if they say no? What if they say no? We don't want to do this anymore. How's that any How's that any different than the the perceived sustainability of an in-house government program?
Meaning that we had a way to get to the moon and some politician Nixon decided he didn't want to do it and they didn't they didn't want to do that anymore.
Frricked them and then canceled the whole damn thing. Now we have no way to get to the moon. If we only end up with one way to get to the moon or a a commercial entity to get to the moon, right?
What's stopping them from saying no?
Maybe Elon decides he wants to go build data centers. I don't have time to do NASA missions then what? I don't think that's the case. I don't think it would happen with SpaceX. But do you want to take that chance?
I don't want to take that chance.
I don't think that's a good idea. Really don't. Uh I think it that's that's why I I don't I won't say in my opinion NASA should have their own lander to hedge their bets against this that'll keep everything honest. Having a redundant solution. NASA said, "Well, if you you're commercial, you're supposed to be cheaper. Here's our lander. If you can't do it cheaper, why are we using you?" you know, it allows NASA to be able to wheel and deal with the commercial market better.
I don't know, just just food for thought. And once again, I don't hate Starship. I don't hate Blue Moon or uh Blue Origin or SpaceX or anything like that. I I just want more rockets, not less. And if you really want my 100% honest to god hand on the book opinion, I don't think SLS is that expensive. for what it does.
It's pretty damn good. Certainly nobody else can do that. Just saying.
Like I don't think the multi-bajillion dollar price tag for the whole Artemis program for Orion and SLS is can anybody honestly say that's not a good way to spend money? Like and I know that skeptics would be like, well, SpaceX can do it for cheaper.
Yeah. Okay. Um I I would argue that the star the starship program has probably exceeded or probably will exceed the entire cost of the Aremis program by the time it's done. In fact, I'm pretty damn sure that that's what's going to happen.
Uh there's no way that the Starship program is going to uh have a total cost involved uh architecture that is cheaper than Apollo than than than not Apollo than SLS. There's no way. They've probably spent way more than $93 billion at this point. And they probably will sp they'll probably end up spending hundreds of billions of dollars, right, Hellfish? I don't think four I think four billion a launch is was 4 billion a launch for SLS was that was quoted by people who don't understand what total cost total cost involved means. I would argue that if we're comparing actual the actual correct metrics and I know you agree with this. I'm just saying it. Um, I I would argue that so you know how SpaceX Elon says like we could potentially get Starship flights down to like $2 million a flight.
Yeah, that's potentially like down the road, but there's no way that Flight 12 that's coming up isn't launching to the to the tune of a multi-billion dollar uh amount. There's no way. Like, and take like Falcon 9 for instance. Falcon 9 costs 40 to $60 million depending on who you ask. That's just the price to launch something. Services are alikard. If you want to launch people, it's going to be more expensive, right? The but the capability scales with cost if you're comparing the t the price tag of the launch, right? But that's not how NASA does business. NASA because they're a government organization has has to have accountability. They have to disclose all their funds. Every government organization has to do that by law.
So they have to tell you the full price tag. It's not just the price to build an SLS rocket and launch it. It's the price to keep the lights on in the VAB. It's the price to pay all the people that work on the program. It's the price to pay the utility bill, pay the heating bill or the air conditioning bill for Mishu. Uh it's the price to use the test stands. It's the price to use all the analytical software, the the wind tunnels, etc. etc. All that is roped into cost. So if you launch it more, price per launch goes down because total cost involved. This is very simple economics, guys. Um if you're my guess, this is just a guess, guys.
I I would probably throw my hat in the ring at about 700 to $800 million a pop if we're going to compare price per launch PPL uh to like using the same kind of economic uh model that SpaceX does because it doesn't cost $40 million to launch a Falcon 9 to make and launch a Falcon 9. Actually, at this point it might, but that's what I mean about scale.
Falcon 9 is ridiculously inexpensive because they launch it a lot, right? You could do the same thing with SLS. Just because it's a government program doesn't mean you won't, right? There's you always buy in bulk, right? And SpaceX being able to reuse stages, it factors into that cost go going down even more, right? Uh yeah, I I would say that SLS is probably to if you were using SpaceX's economic model for for measuring like how how SpaceX measures economics like how they measure price per launch because they're definitely not total cost involved. It's just P straight PPL. If you're doing that with SLS, I would say 700 to 800 million for an SLS launch. If we're using the same kind of economic I want to say scale, but that's not the right word. Um, if we were just looking at SLS PPPL, it's probably 7 to 800 million.
That's a guess, though.
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Last I saw was about 850 million to put SLS out on the pad.
Now, why EJ? That's 10 to 15 trips to the grocery store. What do you mean, Lark?
What would the difficulties be with using multiple Falcon Heavy launches and uh the onorbit stage to connect Orion?
Falcon Heavy second stage is not really designed to launch anything heavy into space.
Arctic. What what I like to tell people is that Falcon Heavy, well, a super heavy launch vehicle on paper is not actually designed to move heavier payloads into low Earth orbit. It's designed to move low Earth orbit payloads further into space.
You're not putting an Orion on top of Falcon Heavy without some significant redesign to its adapters or upper stages. Something that SpaceX is absolutely not going to do.
Falcon Heavy is designed to move regulariz payloads further, not move heavier payloads closer. Does that make sense?
To call a plumber to fix Orion's toilet is also a cost involved. Yeah, there you go. the redesign on the uh um the uh the pressurization systems, the redesigning the valve on the ESM, redesigning the heat shield. Dudes, that's all that's all this is all cash that gets figured in. Like I said, if if you're comparing price per launch from Falcon to SLS, yeah, SLS probably 700 to 800 million a launch. I that's what I would guess.
There's no way it's $4 billion. I mean, it might be right now because total cost involved, right? But TCI goes down over time.
If you launched SLS probably 20 times, I'll bet you by the 20th mission you could get it to 700 million a pop easy, which is a freaking bargain when you think about it. Consider what Artemis 2 did. $700 million for that. I'm in. I I don't have $700 million, but I would happily pay taxes to do that. Sure. And I don't like taxes. You know what I mean? I don't like those.
I pay all this fing money and the road still has potholes in it. What the hell's that about? All right. What's that about, man? That's all I'm saying, you know. Sorry. I don't I'm kidding. Mostly.
But anyway, how's your accountant? Yeah.
Right. Actually, he did a good job this year. Fluffy, the guy, uh, you know, I mentioned when he was doing a bad job. I'll mention when he's doing a good job, dude. I ended up, despite the fiasco from last year, I ended up basically not paying anything this year, which is great. I We basically got it just right, which is perfect.
Uh, you don't like taxes. Me neither. Yeah, I know, right? They suck.
Happy Wednesday. Hey, Yum Food. It's kind of hard to fill potholes up in space. Oh, but with an SLS we could do it. I'm just saying.
Skip the ballroom. Fun to mission.
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I'm not saying nothing real. I ain't saying nothing.
I'm not saying nothing. You know what I'm going to do?
>> Throttle up.
>> I'm going to keep my mouth shut. I'm going to change the subject because I don't want to talk about that. Funny, but I don't want to talk about that. I'm not saying nothing. You know, in a world where you're always compelled, you know, especially on social media, you're always compelled. What's your take on this? What do you think of that? You know what? I don't know. I don't know.
I have no idea. You know what I do know?
You know what I do know? This is happening soon. That's what I do know.
How about that? So, I believe the vehicles are destacked right now for pre-flight checks. But this week, SpaceX has done a full wet dress rehearsal with Starship and they did a static fire on the booster which was just ridiculous.
That's Oh, dude. I You know what? I'm just going to shamelessly plug Max and all the pictures. Max is down at Starbase and all the p all the pictures you've been taking are so boss, dude.
They're so good. Uh yeah, we'll we'll talk about those in a second, dude.
Oh, I don't I don't hate what's going on in this picture.
Both vehicles are in their mega bays. Is SLS there to build I93 to the moon? Yes.
Can we watch a static fire? Pity, please.
All right, fine.
All right, I was going to show you Max's pictures, but just give me a second.
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Oh, yeah. We should also talk about that, too. We'll get to that in a moment.
There's pictures from the SpaceX pictures from the wet dress rehearsal. I love this. That That's, you know, that's pretty neat.
You're going to need five subs to watch it, bro. Can you imagine some people actually are like that? Unironically.
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Yeah.
Yeah, that's nice.
That's, you know, those are pretty good.
Uh ju just just hold on.
That's nice.
Dude, dude.
Whoa.
I really appreciate what you're showing me right now. Yeah, that's uh sound please. Uh uh.
So what you're seeing there, dudes, is the sound is reverberating through the vapor through the vapor that was left from that's being left from the water from the deluge system. You're you're seeing the sound ripple through these clouds of steam.
That's what that is. You're that is visualizing the sound the sound waves that this thing is putting out. It is so loud you can see the damn sound. That's what I'm trying to tell you.
That's all engines. Blackhorse. Yep.
What's really cool about this footage, and I did I saw I watched it in the damn hospital. Don't tell Bri. Okay, so watch watch when initially when the engines ignite, you'll see the over pressure.
There's an over pressure wave from when rockets turn on. It's the initial pressure wave that goes out. You can see it. It actually condenses some of the air around it.
See it right there?
It's only very very very very quick.
You can really see it right there. Look at the pressure wave.
Oh, that's so cool.
See it right? Oh, that that dude, that's sick, man. That's really neat. I really like that.
I also knew that already.
Yeah. Did I mean I'll stream flight 12? Absolutely. Uh tenatively we're set for I believe it's Monday afternoon.
19th. Oh, good, good, good, good, good, good.
That's good. We uh we have a good old hospital checkup on uh on Monday, I believe. Tuesday. Good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good.
Now, you guys thought this one was good.
This next shot though.
Oh, that's nice.
Can we Yo, headphone users, we're watching this with sound on. Okay, headphone users, headphone users, you've been warned. 5 seconds.
That's not I like that. Not like that. Check it out. You can see the over pressure.
See it right there. The wave. Watch behind my head.
Oh, that's sick, dude. That's so good.
Oh, that's awesome, man. Dude, what a monster. That thing is so cool. Oh my goodness.
So, the crazy thing is, guys, is you see this? This is saturated steam here.
They they're throwing as much they're throwing a ton of water into this trench. And the reason why the if you look here, let me just mute this. It gets clearer over time. See how you could see the the waves reverberating through, but as we get further and further in, it's saturating. That's because the steam is I don't the steam is it's called saturating. Uh it's it can't absorb any more heat. Uh you're putting all the all the heat energy that these rocket engines are taking off that's being it's being absorbed by the steam. The steam can't absorb anymore.
That's why that's what happens when it all turns clear like this. Like look, you could see down into the trench.
You could see the deflector or at least the flames bouncing off the deflector.
That's because the water has stopped.
The water can't do anymore. That there's only so much the water can do before the it absorbs all the heat and turns into steam. You can see there's still some out here that isn't fully saturated, but the heat is coming from over here. You can see right here, you could see all the way down to the ground, right? And then right when they hit peak saturation, they shut it off.
See?
Whoop.
Crazy, huh?
I love it when steam low component of engineering and rocket engineering overlap. Yep.
I heard that people's ears were ringing from the office at this test, dude.
Okay. I don't mean to like oversell it.
Super heavy genuinely scares me. That thing is like not in a bad way. I'm I am in awe of the amount of power that comes out of that damn thing.
Like that's I'm just like okay, okay, bud. You stay over there. I like you, but you could stay the hell away from me. You know, like that thing is a monster.
Check your Discord DMs when you get a chance. I shared some links with you from crazy footage from the test. Oh, yeah. I saw what happened to Lab's truck. Uh, yeah.
Yeah. Lab labs. Labs. The lab padre truck has seen better days.
Um.
That that thing got messed up.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Bill, I seen that. You know, I seen that.
You've got to be kidding me, dude.
You've got to be kidding me. You know, You know what that is? The the thing moved.
It moved. Super Heavy moved this 3tonon freaking Suburban. It moved it.
How do you explain that damn tire mark, dude?
Yeah. See, it moved. It moved the rear tires but not the front because there's more mass up here because there's a V8 up in the front.
There's no mass in the back. It's all empty space. It freaking moved it.
But how far? About this much. I'll bet you the vibrations are what's moving it.
It's probably not the the over pressure event probably blew out the glass if I had to guess. Didn't blow out the windshield, right? The over pressure event probably blew out all the glass.
And I'll bet you the vibrations were rocking the truck back and forth and it shimmyed to one side. That that that's my guess. But e either way, it freaking moved it. It moved that freaking Suburban. That's ridiculous.
Yeah, exactly. The front tires are turned a bit. Exactly, dude.
The truck The truck had its wheels straight, right? And the back of the truck move and the front tires stayed stayed straight. So now it looks like Dude, it turned the steering wheel.
You've got to be kidding me, man. That's a freaking Suburban. That ain't a Tahoe.
That thing is heavy as hell.
It's freaking It freaking moved it.
Yeah. The the windshield glass didn't break, guys, for uh because So, uh the glass on the sides and rear of any car is tempered. It'll shatter. It's supposed to shatter. The windshield. You do not want that happening when you're going down the road. Windshields on cars is laminated glass. So there's like a there's a laminated sheet in between two panes of glass on a windshield, right?
So it'll crack. It won't shatter. And it that's that is precisely what happened here.
Yeah, it's cracked. It's It's very cracked. It's also got a lot of dirt on it. But yeah, windshields are because they're laminated glass, they won't shatter. They they just crack.
Oh, hey. Something I know. I worked at a glass factory. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, take a chance. Look what it did to the tempered glass. You got a b You got a bunch of redneck jewels sitting in the back of this truck. We got a bunch of redneck diamonds in there, dude. It blew the dust cover off. Look, it shattered the freaking the the uh the drip guard.
It shattered it. That one's not even attached anymore. Like, all right.
Why did they park there? Uh, pop. This is Lab Padre or Avid Space that that's their PTZ camera. So, NSF does it. NSF has the camera on the trailer, right?
This they have the camera on the trailer. We just tow the trailer there and we set up the trailer. Lab has a bunch of Suburbans and Lab just goes and drives the whole Suburban there and just leaves it there.
Yeah, I see it. I see you got some fitment problems there, bud.
Oh, those mirrors. That mirror is very broken. Something hit it. Something hit the damn thing. I'll bet you a rock hit it and broke it. It shattered. See, dude, can you believe that? Is that Is that nuts?
That's how powerful Super Heavy is. I I'm I I saw that picture, guys. I I've seen it. That That's ridiculous.
It like That's what I mean about like, dude, I understand what Super Heavy is doing. I've seen them land. I've seen them fly. Well, not these versions, right? No, throttle up.
>> That scare that thing scares me. Like, you know, if I could sit in like a block house and watch Falcon from like a 100 yards away, like watch a Falcon 9 launch, I'd be like, "This is sick. This is awesome." I would not do that with Super Heavy. You like I I I would not be anywhere near that thing when it goes off. The only place I would want to be when that thing goes off is a good distance away or on top of it, right?
Like Snaker, sorry about earlier. I didn't know. Sending best wishes. It's all good, dude. I needed to check on Bri anyway. I kind of I kind of oversold it, man. I'm sorry. I didn't mean I didn't mean to be a dick. That's my fault. I I'm Yeah, it's all good, dude. I I apologize. Yeah, thanks for the kind words, man. We're We're good. We're We're cool. I uh snake, I'm not going to lie to you, dude. My my patience is not nearly as good as it is usually. I'm like, h and I'm I'm Let's just call that a byproduct of having the worst week of my life last week, and we'll just go from there. Don't worry, I'll I will go back to being the streamer that takes punches left and right because that's funny.
Just give me some time, dude.
Oh boy.
Anyway, have you tried ice cream? I did try ice cream, dude. I had a nice big old banana split, brother.
I had a nice big old banana split and it was everything I wanted it to be.
VB, you're about 5 hours away and considering going down and watching the launch. What's the percentage chance it will scrub? Starship. First flight of a block three. I'd say pretty high.
Super Heavy is like a tactical nuclear blast stretched out over a minute. It really is Tesla. The amount of energy that thing puts out is absurd. Like it's it dude, it's incomprehensible. Like even like I said, dude, I know what it does. I know it's putting out 17 million pounds of thrust. I know it's got 33 Raptor 3s in it. Full flow stage combustion cycles. They're making 2400 kons a pop, right? There's 33 of them.
Like I could tell you everything about the booster. I know what it's doing.
That thing still scares me. I'm like, I don't want to be near that. I don't want to be near it at all.
Oh, screw you for making me hungry for ice cream. You know, Shai, I'm not sorry, dude. I'm sorry. I'm not.
Sent you a couple messages on Discord.
What's on your mind, Trey?
Oh, that's from Mark. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Let's see it from Mark's point of view.
This is This is bananas. Now, I don't know this dude, but uh Mark's cool. We like him.
He works on rockets. This is from from the office building.
Um, I'm just going to say headphone users. I don't think that Yeah, headphone users. Headphone users.
You got to think the blast detonation area is almost to the VAB from 39 is literally Yeah, goalie. Dude, it is a That thing like dude, I get it. It's just an amalgam of metals, right? Like, but that thing is no joke, man. It's like a frightening amount of power.
>> Dude, that is so loud.
That is so loud.
Oh my goodness, Logan. It was extremely loud from the office yard. Much louder than the previous versions.
It sounded like fireworks going off.
How far is that? Two miles. Oh, the office is less than that. Dude, can I I don't want to.
I love that noise so much, dude.
Oh, it's so good.
Dude.
Yeah. tested that like, okay, I've heard rockets in real life and I' I've heard footage like Docs and I when we watched NG11, we were we were standing there and then we had recorded footage, right? And same with Falcon Heavy.
We had the recorded footage and then obviously we were there, right? And so I I got a good idea of what this sounds like in real life. Holy crap. I've never heard anything that sounds like that.
You hear that? The sporadic popping, dude. You'd feel that right here. It would It would feel like somebody doing this.
That's what that would feel like.
Like the pressure shifts between sound waves would be enough to take your breath away at this distance. Like you'd be like, "Whoa." You'd feel it in your your lungs, which is bananas, dude.
That's insane.
Is it because they lit all the engines at the same time? Yeah. Mhm.
Jaw was on the floor the whole time.
Logan, I I I Dude, it's like the first time I So, the fir dude, the first Starship launch that I saw was flight seven, and I saw that booster come back down and land. And we have footage. NSF has footage of that. I didn't say a word. I was just like, there it goes. Okay, it's turning around. Come on home.
Oh, it landed. And then the sonic boom went off and I was like, this is awesome, you know? Like, dude, speechless. Freaking speechless from that thing, man. I was like, what is happening right now? What is that? What is that? Oh my goodness.
You know, they also had the cloud layer reflecting the sound back down. Oh, yeah.
Something like that. Tessa, I was thinking first row at a Metallica concert, but yeah, that your your reference is good, too.
What's bananas is that the GSSE is tanking all of it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Must have been how Kronhite felt when the ceiling tiles were. My gosh, the building's shaking. Look at that rocket go into the clouds. Yeah, good stuff.
Top fuel. It has a lot of crackle like that. Yeah, top fuel dra. Yes, that would be that. Yes, like that. How you holding up? You know, dude, I I'm I've had an okay day. It's It It's tough in the mornings. Like, I kind of It's tough getting back into the routine. was having a little trouble hitting the start button today, but uh we're sitting here talking about rockets and I'm in my happy place right now, so we're good.
I'm I'm in my happy place, you know.
You can feel the B1B in your chest, too.
Yeah. Yeah. B1B. You should make more of those.
What am I wrong?
Fair enough. Let's keep it going. Yep.
Yep. What happened if I asked uh John, you wouldn't believe me if I gave you the short answer. Check the check the VOD from Monday called Life Updates.
You wouldn't believe me if I told you. I Let's just I'm just going to tell you, and I'm not trying to do this to go like get views on that video or anything. I just genuinely like really don't want to talk about it. Last week was probably the worst week of my life. Period. Full stop. Yeah. Like the worst. Like that's all that's all I'm going to say. Like I don't want to talk about it, dude. I'll go to a really dark spot real fast and I don't want to do that, you know?
Like worse than late 2025. It was bad.
They brought one back from the boneyard recently. That's right, Genesis. They did. Uh, but it hadn't been there for very long.
If I'm remembering correctly, they uh the boneyard has the Oh, what the hell is it called? Dude, you probably know more than I do. They have like a readiness state for planes that are in the boneyard to be quickly reactivated in case something goes weird. And they reactivated one of those quick quick readiness planes. Stay strong. I'm trying, Meister. Yeah. Yeah, dude. I'm trying. I'm in my happy place with rockets. But yeah, man, did last week suck. Dude, it was so bad.
I want to say counseling works, but uh also I want to keep away from that Tom Cat. You know what, Bob? Um, okay, real talk for a second. I don't need like counseling or anything, dude.
Like I I dude how how I work is just purely analytical. I work through what happened in my mind, kind of come to peace with it, and then I move on. Uh that's not psychological or psychiatric advice or anything like that. If you need help, go and get help.
But like I guess like I Yeah, people like, "Oh, I got to process these feelings." It's like I just got to work my way through it and come to terms with what happened and then then I'm good. Just move on. Okay. Next next thing.
Consoling not counseling. Oh yeah. Yeah.
That too.
Also I my reading comprehension ability has taken a hit over the last week. Uh you know like I just got to work through it. But yeah, consoling is fine, dude.
Like they also got some KC135s. Nice. Yeah.
Yeah. Wait, wait. Shouldn't be Shouldn't we be replacing those with KC46s, right? Like, everyone can benefit from it. If you're managing though, that's all that matters. Yeah. Yeah. I'm good, dude.
I'm all right. I I'm I have good days and I have bad days, but uh I have good days and bad days. So, like once again, just like this week, I might be a little bit sporadic in the schedule. Uh just because, you know, it might be just that I just I'm helping Bri, like she needed ice cream, so I took a break. So, I went and got her ice cream. It was good ice cream. It was freaking Dairy Queen, man. Got Dairy Queen.
Dairy Queen. Uh oh yeah, the Maverick Act, Bob. That's right. Take your time.
Family comes first. We'll be here.
That's what I'm doing, Baron. That's what I'm doing. I I'm just working my way back into streaming, dude. Like, yeah, my foundation got shook that much.
Like, like super heavy going off in my face. Like, I'm just like, "All right, that happened." Did you see they're bringing out the last of the F-14s to put in museums and one to be reactivated? Yes, I saw the Maverick Act, dude. Uh, it's still got to pass in the Senate, if I'm if I'm remembering correctly. For the people that don't know, the Maverick Act is uh is a it was passed in the House of Representatives at the federal level in the United States to take the remaining F-14s that the Boneyard Well, we're on the subject of the Boneyard uh that the Boneyard has and transferring them to the US Space and Rocket Center in Huntsville and also restoring one to airworthy status. You heard that correctly. restoring an F-14D F-14 Delta to air worthy status.
You're awesome. Ever tell you that?
Well, it's true. All right. Yeah. Hell yeah. So, where are we? We need to go to Tucson to Tuxen.
So, over here at Tucson is the 309th Aerospace Maintenance and Storage Group. It's called the Amar, right?
This is where the US stores extra planes. They store them out in the desert. US Air Force and the Navy stores them out in the desert. Uh uses them for spare parts or retires them or scraps them or does whatever. Um 309th Aeros, what is it? The aerospace composite group or something. I forget what the acronym stands for. But but but but there are some F-14s lying around in the boneyard. So context, why is that so cool? One, Top Gun. That's the that's that that has a lot to do with it. Um Top Gun. Two, no F-14. There's one.
There's one of them.
No F-14 has flown in the United States since 2006 since it was retired. The reason why is and only F-14A's and a couple of C F-14 BC's bravo Charlie's and deltas found their way into museums.
The reason why is because Iran uh the Islamic the Islamic Republic air force of Iran I I I for Iraf I think Islamic Republic air force uh they were using F-14As. The US sold F-14s to the Sha of Iran and then Iran fell to the Mullas in 1979.
The Sha was overthrown and they had F-14s. They used F-14s in the Iran Iraq conflict and they still had F-14s until current events. Current events made it so they don't have F-14s anymore. So now that they don't have F-14s anymore, you know, this act came around. There's it's not a coincidence.
Right now, the reason why I say that like, well, why didn't they why didn't they just restore the F14 fleet? Well, to make sure that Iran didn't get any F-14 parts and start upgrading their F-14s with our remaining stockpile, we scrapped all of them except for like six. We scrapped all of them. All the avionics, all the stuff that makes them work. We We scrapped probably Well, shoot, I don't know, 300 F-14Ds or something. I don't know the number off the top of my head. There were six of them left.
And then the rest are in museums. And even the ones in museums are gutted.
They're just a shell. They're a shell and that's it. Um, so this is a big deal to restore one to air worthy status for, you know, for well the Maverick Act because Top Gun first reason that I told you. So yeah, that's actually super cool that they want to do that. The Boneyard does keep planes around. They do keep certain examples of planes around. Like if you look, this whole row of planes is We got a Phantom right there. That's an F-111.
I forget the name of that plane. A5 maybe.
Somebody knows. There's an A6 right there. That's an F15A. That's an old F-15.
Um, that's another A4. There's an F-14D.
That's a B-57. Actually, that's an RB57.
a Cambra. We have We still have a couple of them sitting out in the desert.
That's a a old F8 uh old F-16.
That's an F8 Crusader A10. An old A-10.
That's an FA18. That dude, we're getting into some real real museum pieces here.
If people know what that is, good for you. It's an So, if you didn't know, that's an F101. That's an F4, F106, F105. These are all like super old school planes right there.
So that's a 101 and F4. That's a Delta Dart. That's Convair F106. And then an F105 Thunder Chief. That's a That's a beast of a freaking plane, dude. Bomber.
These are all Vietnam. This is all Korean War. And well, actually more Vietnam than anything.
So the Boneyard does have them sitting out there. There's a bunch of P3s over there from these pictures. Those are old C130s.
Huh.
Whatever the cargo variant of the 707 was, there's some uh but they do have There's an there's an antique right there. KCT10.
That breaks my heart seeing a C5 in there like that. Hey baby.
Hey baby, how you doing?
Hey baby, how you doing?
My&P school at Reedley got an F105 fuselage surplus when I was there. We had fun taking it apart. The 105s are pretty underrated plane if you really want my honest opinion.
Underrated, man. hell of a bomber and they go fast. They got a big old engine inside of them uh because they're designed to carry bombs.
There are other F-14s around. We found them uh in these old pictures. I don't know exactly where they are. I'm sure we could find them.
Those poor T38s.
Uh what did you do to that plane?
That poor F-15.
No, I don't want to see that.
F4 is my beloved. Can I have one?
Just one, dude. Broncos. Look. Look like Broncos.
Actually, I don't think those are Broncos. Those look like uh what's the name of that Cessna that has the engines front and rear going through this is fascinating. Isn't it cool? Sky Master garbage sky masters.
Yeah, I think that's it. There's some Hueies right there. There's some more F4s.
The hell is that? Is that a tornado?
Or is that just a really really really messed up F4?
Yeah, see those are UH1s. Those are old one single turbo shaft lycoming T-53s.
Great turbo shaft. Really want honest opinion.
You saw them in the corner. Where are they? There's a couple of UH60s out there. Couple pickup trucks. There's some F-16. F-16 and dazzle camo. Hello.
That's pretty.
There were other F-14s here. I just got to find them. I think there's one. Oh my word.
Oh, can I have one like for fun? Oh, there's one. There's another one.
Cobras.
Those are Huey Cobras. The Marine Corps still uses those.
There's a bunch of KC10s just sitting over there.
What else? So, we have one F-14 there.
There's another one over there.
Hello.
Where's Okay, so there's one there.
There's one there. So, we got two. I There's more. I know there's more. Uh, how would you make the F-14 and KSP? I used robotics.
Where is it? I know there's more.
There's an A4 just sitting there. Is there a boneyard for land vehicles?
I don't know. Where is this? I'm in Australia. Uh, Graos, Tucson, Arizona in the United States. So, we keep them out we keep our planes out in the desert so they don't rust or corrode. It would be like storing planes in like Adelaide, dude. Or like in out in the outback. You ain't going to they ain't going to rust out there cuz nothing rusts out there because it's the freaking desert. It's 5% humidity.
I can't I just can't believe we scrapped the entire the entire freaking F-16 fleet. What are those?
Huh?
I'm not sure what those are.
They could be A6s, but they don't have the intakes on the side. Baron.
>> Oh. Oh, Mrs. Space. I'm in space.
>> There's a bunch of F-16s here.
>> You got them. Give me a longitude latitude. Oh, these are all S3 Vikings.
Submarine uh Navy submarine uh anti-ubmarine warfare plane. What else we got over here?
Uh E2s, I think.
Yeah. E2s with the the dish. The dish.
Uh, bunch of F-18 B1s. Oh man, I hate this part.
Those poor B-52s. They cut that one's head off.
Black horse, you got something.
Oh, I was I was close. I was getting there, man.
Oh, yeah, baby. There they are.
Oh, yeah.
Well, that one has the wing cut open, so I'm going tohead going ahead and guess that that one's probably not a restoration candidate.
Oh, yeah. There's four of them right there, man. Let's freaking go.
All these F-15s. Look at all of them.
And F-16s. Stop. And C5. How could you do that to a C5? How could you do that?
C5s are beautiful. They didn't hurt nobody.
Look what they did to I mean, I would say that B-52s haven't hurt somebody, but they they absolutely have. And these actual ones probably did. But also, no, because C5s are trash. You take that back, you filthy disgusting person.
Look at all of them. See, no. C5 vibes are awesome, dude. Shut up. You You be quiet.
Look at all them. They're They're beautiful.
What brought us to the boneyard near Got Nuke's uh the Maverick Act? So, those F-14s, it's probably one, two, and three if I had to guess. those ones. Uh the the Maverick Act is a is a act that passed in the US House of Representatives to restore one F-14 to airworthy flight status for fun.
I'm in.
Do Europeans have anything like this?
No. No. Not even close.
Show us the SR71.
I don't think they have one of these sitting out here.
Uh uh uh oh, I can show you uh the field over here. If you look here, you know what I can show you here? Uh over here, uh see this field? This is where we keep all of our stealth fighters.
See, look at all of them, man. It kills me to see them all out there like this.
Look, we could be flying those, man.
It's a shame. It's just a damn shame.
It's a damn shame, bro. Look. Seriously though, look at all the F4s. Can I have one? I just want one. I just You don't even need to have the J79s in it. I just need one. I just I just want an F4. All right. You know what? Just give me the head of one. Just give me the head of one. And you know, that's it. That's all I need. I'm good.
Oh, can I have one of those, too?
Mhm.
>> Discovery, go at Throttle Up.
You can't have one. You'd shoot your eye out. All I want for Christmas is an F4 Phantom.
Is that too much to ask? Um, what are these? A4s, actually. Um, oh no, those are Harriers.
Harrier parts and Harrier fuel tanks.
Look at those poor Harriers. What did you do to them?
The B1B for WB57 replacement. Clearly, it's what needs to happen.
Where's the F5S toll at? Ghost Vera.
That's at Edwards Edwards Air Force Base.
Then there's our stockpile of KC135 parts.
C130s. Those are old C130s. They see how short the fuselages are. They're old.
Probably older than us. KCT10s.
More scrap B-52s.
But you you know how people say like, "Oh, B-52s, they're going to be flying for into the 2050s." Well, yeah. That's because we're not going to run out of parts anytime soon cuz we have a lot of those. We built a lot of them in the in the in the 50s.
And this is all parts and that's all ordinance.
Uh you guys wanted to see Puma. Puma's across the street from the boneyard.
Anytime the boneyard gets rid of a plane, like if we retire a plane permanently and we take it off status, F-14's non-withstanding, they give they give one to Puma.
What's over here? Wait a minute. Wait a minute. What's in here, dude?
Gruming goose. All right. Those are C2 Greyhounds.
Those are all C2 greyhounds. Okay.
and C130s just everywhere.
Bro, can I can I like get one of those?
What is that? A DC4 freaking antique right there.
All right, Puma's over here. Look at the collection that Puma has.
B-58, B-57, B-52, Another B-52, B-36, B-47, uh, whatever the 707 car passenger variant was for the Air Force. There's a B50.
B50.
I forget the name of that plane.
Their passenger variants. So of the B29.
So 377.
They have a Connie here. I forget where it is. Uh C123 right there. That plane was designed to carry Atlas missiles.
Couple of C130s.
C110 box car. C141. You don't There's not many of those around. They scrap the entire fleet because they're dumb.
Saberlin Liner.
Uh, the presidential version of a 707 Connie right there. NASA Super Guppy.
Pretty good.
NASA's uh, that is a 707 research uh, plane for NASA. Check this out. Avo Shackleton, dude.
Where the heck did that come from? And why is it in the middle of the desert?
Don't know.
Uh, electronic warfare connie right there. What else we got?
So, that thing is uh one of the pre-production prototypes for the uh what is it? 787.
That's like uh 787 serial number three or something.
Check this out. T38. I don't even know what that plane is. That's an F9. That's an F4. I don't know what that is. I don't know what Oh, street view. Nice.
There's an A5. That's an A5 vigilante right there.
A4 F-18 couple of Harriers.
Check this out. They have five Harriers just chilling here. Two of them are AV8Bs and two of them are AV8 or well Hawker Sidleys. Those are the That's the British version.
You could tell because of the way it is.
Dude, there's so many planes here. I don't even like there's an F-104, F-106, F101, F-100 Super Saber, two F10 or two F105s, an F4, an F-15, F101, F-111, Pinavia tornado, two tornadoes actually.
There's Dude, there this museum is one of the gnarliest in the country by a long shot. They even have B-52 serial number three. See that thing right there? Pre-production B-52. You know how old that damn thing is?
It's serial number three. It was made in 19 1952. Am I looking at that right?
No way. That can't be right.
It has the F It has the X-15 pylon on it. I know because I've walked underneath it.
Was that 707 Sophia? Sophia is not here.
Uh it's not. No, Sophia is not at at Puma. Oh, they also have a four segment uh double O-ring SRB.
That is a block one space shuttle four segment like double O-rings like Challenger like that that SRB. It's one of those. It's an old solid.
So, check this out.
Anybody can anybody tell me what that thing is?
No, not the pavelo.
Watch.
Oh, it's not in the picture.
It's not in the picture. It's on the map, but it's not in the picture. They got a sky crane here, too.
Here. Back it out.
That should give it away a little bit easier. It's a Hind. They have a Hind D right there.
An MI24, dude.
>> Former East German. And I know because I stood next to it.
Had a Russian gunship get here. Super Cobra CH46.
I forget the names of these helicopters to be honest with you. There's a couple of Hueies over there. Uh, this isn't even the coolest stuff, dude. Check this out. Mig 29, MIG 21, MiG 17, MIG 19.
Uh, that's a MIG trainer. And I think that's a Sukcoy S7. I think there's Dude, this museum is the gnarliest thing. There's an original B-57 Cambra here. There. Yeah. And that's not even what's in the hangers.
Dude, I'm not telling you what's in the hangers. You're going to have to go.
There's Sophia. Sophia's over here.
You were right. I was wrong. That 707 was not Sophia was not there when I was there because it was still flying.
Yeah, you guys are correct.
The There's Orbit, the Orbit Hospital.
I hate that that's there.
Whatever. It is what it be, dude. Y uh YC15.
That's a cool plane. if you don't know about that.
Yeah. Trip 7 SN1 is here. Yeah. Mhm.
I'm telling you guys, Puma is ridiculous. There's an RB57 sitting back there. Uh that right there, the uh 727, that's a 727-100.
That's serial number one. That's the first 727 ever made.
And it looks like they got their hands on an Abrams and a T-55.
How do you get all this? Can I have some? Damn it. What, man?
Oh, missiles.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah. See those?
Rockets spoils a war, I guess. Where is this?
This is Puma Air and Space Museum, Tucson, Arizona. Go. It is the gnarliest museum of Oh, it's gotten so much better since I've been there. Holy crap.
Mother frecker, dude.
Balls 3 isn't updated with it. Yeah.
BD, what's your last, dude?
I don't see it. Oh, there we go. Due to changes in US Air Force security considerations, the off-site bus tours of the 309th aka the boneyard are no longer available with no plans to restart.
Hey, worked in Puma from 2021 to early 2024. Awesome place. It's in Tucson, Arizona, guys.
Is there room in back for a project tank? Yes.
Yes.
Oh, they got an F-16 in there, too. Look at Dude, they got artillery pieces.
Oh. Oh, they have helmets. I want one. I want one.
I want one.
Oh, no big deal. Just a T34. It's just a T34. That looks like a T3476, judging by the barrel. What? How did you Wait, how did they get a T-34?
What is that? A BMP? That's a BMP next to an M13. And that's a BTR60 right there, bro.
Dude, I'm telling you, this place rules.
FEMA's amazing.
Like, look at all this stuff. Look at all these little things. So busy now.
Last. What's up? You commanding a VFD?
Yeah. Guess that means you need to hurry up and get the coronet rolled out.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was the PA at Star Base. Yeah. There's Dude, they got a deuce and a half, dude. They got two Kim Bears just sitting there with with >> RF roundles. Very nice.
West German F104 right there.
Dude, those are Navajos. Navajo missiles. Two of them. There's the Thor. That's a That's a Thor missile right there. I know because I hugged it.
All the different toeb bars for all the different planes. That's the resto hanger in there.
An authentic Widowmaker. It really is.
That's it. Dude, it's painted. It's painted with West German. It's got the C West German livery. It's got the iron cross on it, dude.
Super cool.
Oh, bro. Look at that. Look at that.
Look at that freaking RV. No, it's a trailer, but whatever. Somebody see See that? Somebody lives there. I don't know that for sure.
See last please go to exhibits page.
Before I left, we were working on tanks and stuff for the TM TMV. It opened in 2025. Check it out.
Uh, that's the longitude and latitude for the F14s.
The Tucson Military Vehicle Museum. Bro, is that a Chieftain?
Chieftain.
Oh, it is a T-3485.
Very nice.
T72.
Hell yeah.
Wow.
Can you uh just excuse me for a second?
Oh. Oh, it's just attached to it. Okay.
They got it from the Czech Republic.
There are now former Soviet states that we are now friendly with that have T34s.
Same with the Hind. Yep. Mhm.
DJ meet and greeted. Your ability to remember their names is next level.
Yeah.
There are people that know them know it better than I do.
I wonder if the Glouester meteor is still backed up. Yep.
Freaking Glouester meteor is over there.
Or excuse me, Glouester media. They have a lot more missiles than the last time I was there. Um, those are a lot I think.
Dude, is that a sprint? That looks like a sprint missile. If it's a sprint missile, I need to go. I need to go. I need to I need to do that.
There's so much good stuff. Hey, what are those?
So, uh, what are you doing with SRBF casings, Puma?
That's an SRB, uh, SRB skirt right there.
What are you doing with those? I'll take one. You know, take it off your hands.
That was not there last time either.
There's just a CH46 and a Humvey just sitting out in the middle of the desert.
Whatever. No big deal. What have we got over here?
It's just just planes.
Oh, that's an art exhibit where people ruin 3C47s.
I mean painted on them to express themselves or something.
Yeah, PEMA rules. There's And once again, guys, there's more planes inside of these hangers.
I'm not telling you what's in there.
You're going to have to go see. But yeah, I will never uh miss an opportunity to shout out a museum. And Puma is one of the gnarliest that is that is one of the best museums in the country.
Does Puma have an F-14?
That's actually a good question.
I don't know. You'd have to go see last. Now, check this Tucson military vehicle exhibits.
Uh, comet one Stewart and really, huh?
M114 that Oh, dude. PT76. That's a Soviet amphibious tank. M41, M7, self stealth propelled artillery.
Whoa.
See that, chat?
See that? That's nice.
Yeah, that is a T72.
Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. I got We're going to read that.
Is this Is this the one that the Marines got? Yep.
B Company, fourth tank battalion, fourth marine division. Division company captured this T72B tank in Kuwait City following four days of combat during which the company destroyed 119 Iraqi vehicles. It took 474 prisoners in four separate engagements.
Get some, baby. Get some.
And we'll keep some, too.
What else we got here?
Another T72. T62.
I don't know what an Otter is. 1917 5-tonon artillery track. They have a perishing missile.
They have a trip 7.
Riverrine assault craft. There's their T3485. I was right. It's an 85. So the 85 is has the long barrel. The T-34 had two big variants during World War II.
There's a 76 and the 85. The 85 is the later version. It has a longer barrel.
That's the one that uh was a menace. We'll say they came in at the end of World War II.
Yeah. T3485s are Yeah, that's a pretty good tank. Pretty good tank.
1151 A1 up armored Humvey. Let's just not talk about that. Everybody I know that use those hates them. Uh M113, M110, Vietnam era, self-propelled uh howitzer. That's Vietnam era.
My favorite. Oh, I want one.
And yes, FEMA has an F-14. It's in a hanger next to the SR70. I said to tell people what's in the hangers, dill hole, bro.
Crane. See, see, here's the thing. You know, people ask me what my favorite tank is. An M88 is my favorite tank. Do you know why?
Because, you know, they're gonna be expecting you to have a tank with a gun on it. No one's going to be expecting you to have a tank with a crane on it.
Just saying.
All right. Just saying.
That's my favorite tank. I'm not even kidding. M88s are cool. You could lift up an Abrams with one.
That's pretty neat.
Is that an M48 chassis? I believe it's based off of the M60.
Oh, no. Bring that back. That's an M88 A2. So, it doesn't have as much horsepower, but M3 Scout, dude, the motor gun carriage halftrack. Look at that thing.
Just like we in World War II, it's just like we need we need to be able to move artillery around faster. All right. How about we just put one on halftracks? We got plenty of those. All right. Cool.
Sounds like a plan. All right. Sweet.
You guys are stupid. You'll be looking for They'll be looking for ammy guys.
They got a Bradley.
Yeah. The LVT4. So that's an amphibious watercraft that the Marines used in World War II, late World War II.
The Harley WLC. Look at this. Oh, GTB fuel truck. Cool. Cool. Dude, they have an 88.
Whoa. Okay.
It's German. Oh, yeah. German. Very nice.
So, that's a 88 uh 88 millimeter uh German flat gun. It's uh the Germans ended up just using it for everything because it turns out it was just good.
So they just used it for everything.
They got an M wrap there. That's Dude, this museum has a really good amount of tanks, dude.
A Centurion Mark 5. It was a centurion.
Dude, look at that thing. Freaking British tank. That thing is uh actually that one might be a Canad Well, it's a British made tank. That one looks Canadian from the markings.
They don't have an ASV.
An M 1117. I didn't see one. They have a Buffalo. Look at that. Yeah, that was a BMP1.
Have BGM 109 ground launched cruise missile. Yeah.
Is that a Humvey with Sea Sparrow missiles on the back? Yeah. Nice. They have an AA an AAV. If you're a Devil Dog, you know what that is. The Marines use those. Amphibious assault vehicle.
German 105. Dude, this is insane.
They got a flat fender.
Flat fender Jeep. Triple 6 privately owned 88. Nice. Centurions are your favorite. Merlin power. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good that's, you know, that's right. A centurion. The reason why I like centurions, the reason why a lot of people like Centurions is because it's got a Merlin engine in the back. It's got a Spitfire motor in the back.
What? You don't want your tank to have one of those? I want my tank to have one of those. I'm just saying. Ah, Kubalvagen.
or a VW thing.
Weren't centurions horribly unreliable?
No.
M5 Stewart Kangaroo APC Alice Sharma's high-speed tractor 18 ton. They they just crudely pasted an armored vehicle on their tractor chassis.
You've had the opportunity to jump start a thing. Nice. Or GPW, baby.
GMCCKW.
Yep. You know, dude, look up how many of those got made during World War II. The numbers will blow your mind.
Yep. W62 power wagons.
All power wagons, dude. Good stuff, man.
Yep. Diamond TM3 halftrack. Yep. Yep.
Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep.
They got an EEL. Oh, Puma has everything. Don't worry. And it looks like this museum is attached to it.
M60.
Not a bad tank, dude.
How many How many C CKWs do you want?
Yes, they got an M1A1.
So that's an M1 A1. That's an old Abrams M5 A1. Stewart Cougar Harden Engineer HV 6X6 M wrap. Cool.
And you could touch them. In some cases, you can even go inside of them. Dude, a Hellcat.
Bro, this thing This place has some good freaking This place has some good Dude, that's a good museum, man. I have never been to this one unless it's attached to Puma.
It's under construction. Where are they building this?
You know there's a Falcon booster in Colorado? Yes, I do.
Is it bad if like the M60? There's nothing wrong with an M60. The M60 is a good tank. It's still a good tank by modern standards.
Seriously, they It's I I will I will say that. Yeah, the M60 is still a good design. If you don't have Abrams, if you don't have Abrams tanks, Taiwan uses M60s, dude. Have you? I'm telling you. Have you ever seen those things? Check it out.
They have an M60 that's basically been hot rotted with a with Abrams parts.
Look, I'm finding a picture. Give me a moment.
Where the hell is it?
Yeah, there we go. Right there.
Seen them up close and personal. More of those than M1's when you were in Yeah, there you go, Bob. Yeah, Taiwan still uses M60s. They're a good tank, dude.
The M60 to tanks is like what the F-15 is to fighter planes. Like the F-15 is pretty pretty damn good at literally everything. It's just it's like one of the best fighter planes ever made by a long shot. It's not even close.
Except if you have an F-22 or an F-35 and then which case it's kind of like all right.
Portugal had a bunch of M60s. Now they're replaced by the Leopard 2 A6. 60 A3s are good tanks. Helder. Hey Red Munchkin. What's up dude?
Yours is a Panther. That's your That's your favorite tank? Panther is my favorite tank from World War II just because it's an amazing design.
Not so much an amazing tank. It didn't do very well.
Modernized M60. There were Where the heck? I have to look. I have to go looking now. Uh there were yeah there were M an M60 upgrade program right there. Teladine Continental high performance M60 prototype. They bid that and they lost to the Abrams. Mopar Dodge actually made the Abrams. Chrysler if you really want to know. Yeah, the Abrams is a Chrysler product.
This is it. It opened in 2025. Okay.
Panthers were horribly overrated. No, they're horribly amazing. Ah, okay. It's literally right next to it. Dude, I could spend a week in this like square mile of land. I could spend a week in here.
Like easily a week.
Yeah. And I was wrong. Sophia is absolutely here.
747 SP that has an infrared telescope in the back.
Just a week.
Dar, you need to get back there. It's been a couple of years. Yeah, man. Dude, this museum is so gnarly. There's so much good stuff.
Just casual A4 and an SRB just sitting outside. Whatever. No big deal.
use the date adjuster thing and you could see the building. Oh, well, it's literally connected to Puma.
Oh, boy.
Wait a minute. Wait now. Just wait a cottonpicking minute.
What's that?
Oh, no way, dude.
I know what that is. You know what that is? I know what that is. That's a test track.
It's a square. No. No. Yeah. I mean, yes, but it's not a road. All right. It's a test track. They're minerals. Marie. Damn it.
What's that doing there? Hey, baby.
Is that another Shackleton?
It is.
You also cannot hit the fire button.
Yeah. Get me out of the tank. You can't tell me what to do. You're not my dad.
I'm literally a tank and you aren't. Get out of the tank. No, you can't tell me I'm a tank.
Look behind it. There's an even bigger track.
Yeah, Puma rules. We like Puma a lot.
I know the restoration team, dude.
That's a Is that a tank test track?
That's a tank test track.
Dude, there's so much good stuff here.
Oh my goodness.
Wait, wait, wait.
Tanktona.
Nice. Did they put balls three on display? No, they didn't. It's just chilling over there.
Yeah, this place rules.
I can't believe they have the G test propulsion platform there. That's kind of sucks that they stopped there. They retired it.
Whatever.
Yeah, this is sick, dude. Good stuff.
They do have the G test propulsion platform, dude. Yep.
What a sick museum. Go to Puma. I'm serious. Go to Go to Tucson. There is another thing from Tucson that uh that you guys might appreciate if you're into rockets. uh just while we're here and then uh there's a there's another bit of SpaceX info that I SpaceX information that I want to talk to you guys about.
Um if you go down here to Green Valley, it's just south.
And by just south, I mean a good way south. This is just south in Arizona terms.
Where are you?
Ah, yes. Green Valley, Arizona. This is a sister museum to Puma and it is the only uh remaining Titan 2 um missile silo.
They destroyed every single one of them.
Well, partially destroyed every single one of them.
This is a decommissioned silo.
Uh, and it's a museum. It is a full Titan missile museum with the blast lock and the uh the bird cage if you know what if you know what I mean. It's the only one in existence. I mean, there are other bird cages that exist, but it's the only one with the intact silo.
Yeah, that's a pretty gnarly museum. You can go in through the So, uh, okay, the EJ is going to get some missile siloism coming at you here real quick. All right, so a Titan Titan missile complex consists of three principal components. All right, you have your missile silo obviously with your Titan missile in it. And then you have kind of an ancillary component called the long cableway, which is a hallway that an underground hallway that connects the silo to the blast lock. The blast lock right here is uh the connection. It's the portal to the outside world that's not for missiles.
So this is where people go in and out.
Blast lock, as implies, it has two gigantic blast doors here. And then it connects the long cable way to the short cable way. short cable ways here inside of the blast log. There's also a decontamination uh there's a decon chamber right there uh because Titan missiles are hypergolic. So if you needed to do maintenance on the missile, you had to go out there and escape suit down the long cable way. So in the short cable way on the other side here, you have something called the bird cage. The reason why it's called the bird cage is because the entire area, the mission, the launch control for a Titan missile silo and the sleeping area and the power generation for the entire silo is done inside of a gigantic hanger that's inside of a pill-shaped concrete structure, right?
So, it's kind of pill-shaped like with a sphere on the top and a sphere on the bottom. And the whole all three levels inside of that of the mission control center are hanging from the ceiling.
And it if you look at a cross-section of it, it looks like a bird cage.
Don't ask me why I know this. Have I thought about finding a Titan 2 missile silo? Yes, that would be super cool.
But yeah, there you go. Bird cage, blast lock, long cableway, short cableway, missile.
Titan one silos are cooler, actually if you really want to know. But whatever.
Why does it need to hang?
What do you think, Drew?
Oh, nice, Jim. There you go.
The entire structure is hanging because let's be real, in a hot in a in a if the Cold War went hot, this place is probably going to have a nuke shot at it. So, it's all seismic resistant in case a nuke goes off near it. It'll keep all the equipment um intact. The equipment is impervious to vibration being like having the whole silo complex hanging there.
There are YouTubers that go and buy missile silos. You can buy them. Uh seriously, but the thing about Titan 2 missile silos is that in the early early to mid80s they decommissioned them from the strategic because of the strategic arms limitation treaty. uh they decommissioned them and what that involved is basically blowing up the top of the silo and then pushing all the rubble in the silo.
Uh so the silo is basically ruined. I mean that's fair. Uh some of them have the long cableways intact, some of them don't. They're Titan 2 missile silos were in Tucson. Uh they were in Tucson. They were in Arkansas and I forget where the third one is, where the third set of them, Kansas, Jim.
But they did the same thing with a blast lock. They blew up the blast lock and then just dumped all the debris down in the blast lock and then uh the silos, the Titan 2 silos actually, they put a huge concrete cap on top of them to make sure nobody could ever use them. Um, some people have gotten the have cleared out the blast like they buy the land, they cleared the blast lock out, uh, restored them and restored the bird cage. There are people that have done that.
Uh, that entire parcel of land was the US government. There are other ones around uh, Tucson actually. You can go and find them. I do believe there's one over here if I'm remembering correctly. Yep, there it is.
Or nope, that's not it. That's actually intact. It's somewhere down this road.
Yeah, that's it right there.
You could see where the complex was.
And you could see where the silo was right there. The pads for refueling the missile are still there, but you could see also where the long cableway was right there. Blast lock was right there.
The bird cage is still there. It's still underground.
This is what I do in my spare time, fellas. If I I don't know. I don't know what to tell you.
I I do this for fun a lot. There's another one over here somewhere, dude.
If I'm remembering right.
And some people make them into their houses and stuff. It's actually super neat.
It's over here somewhere, dude.
It's somewhere up there.
You should get one and stream from it.
Dude, the only thing I have up here are Nike missile silos, and you're not buying one of those, which is a shame.
Nike missile silos aren't nearly as cool.
Uh, yeah, those aren't nearly as cool.
Google Earth is such a black hole. Yep.
So, speaking of uh Google Earth here, let's go over here and let's do this.
Watch.
Let's go this way.
How about we go down to Vermilion Parish, south of Highway 82 on Pican Island.
Do you guys know what's here?
There are Minutemen silos within 60 miles of you. That's nice. Yeah, why not? Yeah, Fluffy, if if a Cold War goes hot, you're you're basically screwed.
Me, maybe.
So, check this out.
This, let me circle it.
This entire parcel of land right there, I believe it's 182,000 acres, was bought by SpaceX.
Think about that for a second.
Okay, now you can see it from freaking space. You can see that the the the if I keep the high the parcel of land highlighted, it's big enough to be seen from space. Look at it compared to New Orleans, for instance.
Or Baton Rouge.
Look at it compared to the Cape.
That is an insanely big parcel of land.
Google buys the image data. You can see who they buy the image data from down here.
That is an insane parcel of land. Um, so SpaceX actually publicly acknowledged this.
Uh, wait, what?
SpaceX is partnering with Enthropic apparently. Oh, that's great. So SpaceX publicly acknowledged it right here. So somebody Essie Robinson Jr. posted this. A realtor named Jim Kitty of Kitty Real Estate published a rumor of possible SpaceX land acquisition in Louisiana. It states that SpaceX uh may have acquired acquiring 136 I said 182. It's 136,000 acres or 212 square miles of marshland south of Highway 82 towards the Gulf of America in Pican Island in Freshwater City in Vermillion Parish of the Acadeiana region.
At the southeast corner of the land near Freshwater City, near the Freshwater City boat launch is a plot of land ready to be converted for port operations and direct access to the inter coastal canal in the Gulf of America.
Pan Island is halfway between Bokhica and Cape Canaveral and has easy access to Chener LNG and Golden Pass LNG on both either side of the Louisiana and Texas border at Sabine Pass. This has not been confirmed by SpaceX or Elon.
SpaceX retweeted this and said, "It's no secret we intend to launch Starship a lot, targeting thousands of flights per year. That cadence will require the ability to launch from many different locations. So, we are constantly exploring to find viable sites to expand Starship operations in the future, both domestically and internationally."
That's near your hometown of New Iberia.
Really, Gaffle?
Dude, look this. There's a deep water freaking port down here with a heavy dock.
And it's right before those locks right there. And I'm going to guess that this road is on a levey from what it looks like.
No, not on a levey, just road.
The SpaceX's going to launch from here.
They're going to launch stuff from here.
Uh yeah, they're they're going to launch they're going to launch stuff this way and most likely land stuff this way.
Uh yeah, that's a launch site. I'm I'm pretty sure one deep dive on the history of this site. Uh, give me some time. They're gonna need a lot of dirt. Well, Mutter, if I had to guess, they're probably just going to dredge this. They're going to dredge all this and build up land on this sandbar right here.
That's a guess, but it seems logical.
I love how there's more canals here than there are actual roads.
We got a street view of what this looks like, bro.
It It looks like Louisiana, boy. Tell you that.
Got some single wide action here.
Everything's up on stilts because you're in the you're in the marsh land. This is like uh uh houses on the coast in Massachusetts are built like this down the Cape. They build them like this. if you're near the water because the water can get angry.
Hi, my name is Baba Bush and I was inquiring that I could help you on your upcoming season.
I'm inquiring to be your water boy.
Nice suit. Thank you. It was my daddy's.
So, we are we are very remote here.
Oh, wait a minute. Wait a minute. What do we got here?
Oil.
It's either oil or oil and gas. I'm going to say this is probably Yeah. I mean, I don't know.
Said anything about oil, man. You cooking? Why is it just chilling there?
that it's got to be piped in. It's got to be coming from somewhere, dude. That that is a gigantic freaking parcel of land. Oh my goodness. Yeah, this is big enough for an entire space center, dude.
There a bunch of small wells out there.
Got it.
Any platforms offshore in the Gulf?
Yeah, dude. Absolutely.
Does the partial co Does the parcel cover existing wells? I don't know. I I don't know, dudes. I I really I really don't.
The hell is that?
This is the middle of nothing. There is nothing here.
Oh, there doesn't look like there's any wells out there.
Wow, that's impressive, dude.
Is that a fishing boat? I don't know what that is.
It. Yeah, it might be a boat just going down the uh going down the channel. I'm wondering what was here. What was this?
shrimp boat factory. You can do all kinds of things with shrimp, man.
Whatever it is, it's got a heavy it's you got a heavy dock already mil already already built here from Robin.
All right, what do we got?
SpaceX is probably exploring a lots of options, but the Louisiana launch site is looking more and more likely. I just spotted the sale of a small piece of land to a SpaceX engineer.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, they're going to they're going to build launch site out there.
Um, if I had to guess, guys, this is just EJ's random pull it out of pull it.
This is pulling it out of your tail. Uh, guess I'll bet you they're going to build test stands there, too, for Raptor engines. That's my guess. Launch site and testing facility. Um, not necessarily Star Factory. They're probably going to test motors there. Um, McGregor is too built up. You can't expand.
But yeah, there's plenty of there's plenty of land. Like it's 100,000. It's 212 square miles.
Like put some test stands out by the water.
You're going to be fine.
I don't think test facility. The land is too marshy.
You You don't think test facility? But but you do think launch site question.
Hello.
There's plenty of mud.
Look up the land costs out there for funsies. I'll leave that to you guys.
Lots of orbital inclinations are available for there. That's right, Gary.
Yeah, Rhode Island is only 1,600 square miles, dude. Yeah, that's that's more than enough for a space center.
Use the engines to test to use the engine test to dry out the land.
Uh yeah, that's uh wonder how many times they'll have to build it. Well, guys, my guess, this is EJ's guess here.
You have enough land. So, all right, let's think about this. You're you obviously want it near the heavy dock so you can move starship parts. You want to be relatively close, right?
I'm going to guess that this. But you don't want it too close to the lock because boats clearly go up the inter coastal here. Uh to What the heck is that? Cool.
It's got a moat. That's pretty neat.
Yeah. See, boats go up this they use this canal, whatever it is, uh to get up here to get up into civilization up there.
So, what I would guess is that they're probably going to dredge this. They're probably going to see I don't even know what these canals were for, but they've they've clearly been blocked off.
There is a levey right there. No Chevys, though.
I'm I'm going to guess that they're going to go in and dredge it and they're going to build probably down here.
probably probably build like four or five starship pads just across here and then maybe some test stands up here.
This looks to be relatively solid terrain.
And I emphasize relatively, but there's clearly a sandbar right here. You could build up this.
Yeah, you could build here. And if you dredge behind it, right, all the water's going to pull over there anyway. You dredge behind it. You can build that up.
Hey, Crimson J.
More subs for more space.
That's Avery Island. It's where they make Tabasco sauce. No freaking way, dude. What?
Really?
What? What?
I don't know why I find that funny, but that's awesome.
Freaking Tabasco sauce, dude. Let's freaking go.
I was going to say it looks like the animal kingdom up in here.
Do not block that canal then.
Cool.
See, dude, like if you're, you know what the crazy thing is, dudes? If you're watching this from overseas, you're watching this from like Europe or Oceanana or wherever, right? If this place looks foreign to you, you want to hear something weird, it's my country.
This place is foreign as hell to me. I would not fit in here.
I'd stick out like a sore thumb. Like, I This is terrain that I am just blatantly unfamiliar with.
See, it's Lexi's last, please. Hey, EJ, I just wanted to ask a quick question.
Do you know what's next for NASA now that the Artemis 2 crew is back? Sorry if it's completely off topic. I watch you every day when you were streaming the mission, and you were helpful with understanding what NASA was talking about during the mission. Thank you for everything. Um, yeah. Yeah, no problem.
Sorry. Uh, I'm trying to get back into the groove, Lexi. I I had a very bad week last week. Um, what's next? So, I did kind of cover this at the beginning of Space News if you want to go back and get a more detailed context. Uh, they're working on Artemis 3. Artemis 3 is the next flight.
It's going to happen next year. And what it is is they're going to shoot Orion off on an SLS and it's not going to go to the moon. It's going to go to low Earth orbit.
And it's going to practice docking with the landers. Remember how during the Aremis missions I was saying the landers weren't finished? They're not finished.
Well, they're going to be finished and then in 2028 they'll land with the Artemis 4 mission.
We used to go to the Gulf during the s during the summer a bit further west near Cam Cameron.
Good old boys. Yep.
You'll tan soon enough. You'll be fine.
Yep. No, boy. I'm way you make it now where you make it. Everybody know that.
Damn, boy.
You like to see raptors naked? No. Home where you naked? Do you you like to see starship naked? What?
Everybody know that. Damn, boy. That's crazy to think about. Thank you so much.
Much love. Yeah, all good. Don't worry about it.
Lexi, what we're looking at right now, just on a quick side note, is from about here to here. Okay, this thing just decided it wanted to be weird. Um, I hate it when this happens.
So, see this? SpaceX bought all that land. They're going to build another launch site in Louisiana.
That's a big site. That's bigger than Bokhica. That's way bigger than Bokh Chica.
Huh?
Crazy.
Poor Arthur. Arthur.
Arthur. We got to go to Louisiana. Whoa.
Huh? Somebody somebody playing City Skylines or Nice. Hell yeah. Look at this.
Hell yeah. Look at this refinering.
Refinerying goodness.
Yes. That's awesome.
Oh, that's not awesome. But the rest of this is freaking sweet. Hey, Jackal.
Dude, it's perfect grids. Look at that.
Except for the city center.
Dude, that's sick. That's actually impressive. Look at that. Pretty cool.
What are your thoughts on extraterrestrial like of the UFO stuff dropping?
That's just Mountain Dew pools. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Um, Lexi, the Mountain Dew stuff. Mountain Dew stuff. The alien stuff. Mountain Dew is the best drink ever. Uh, it's I I hate being that guy. It's most likely ice that you're seeing like from the Apollo missions and stuff.
I'm all hopped up on Mountain Dew.
Um, it's most likely ice staging. When rockets stage, when they separate, like sometimes the way the decouplers detach, they shed ice off the sides. Like that happens.
Um, sorry to hear that. Better times hope for you. Thanks, Gary. Yeah, I had a very bad week last week. Um, speaking of that, I probably should go check soon.
But, uh, hey, all systems, what's going on? Um, yeah, like with the US UFO stuff, Lexi, like there's my best way to say it is like I don't think there's aliens floating around out there. What I do think though is that space is a very dirty place. It's not It's not as There are stuff out there that we don't know about. There are phenomenons out there that we don't know about. I mean, you go back 500 years, people think the aurora, the boreal effect, the aurora borealis, right? People think that's the gods telling them something, right?
You go back a thousand years, they look at that and go, "Oh, we're dead. The gods have forsaken us, right?" Like we But we figured out that it's boreal effects or aurora effects. I say boreal effects. It's not not the right way to say it. Um, so like I I see some of I've seen some of the footage from that UFO stuff. I really haven't dived into it and I I'm probably not going to. But all I'm going to say is that there is a lot of stuff going on in space. It's not just empty space, right? Just because it doesn't have like air doesn't mean there isn't things up there that we don't know about. So I'd just like to ask Yeah. No, it's all good.
Yeah. Uh there's there's stuff out there whether it's alive or not. I don't know. Might be.
Lexi, I've always had this rule and people ask me about aliens like, you know, they're like, "Oh, you like space.
What about aliens?" I'm like, "I don't know. I don't know. What I do know is this.
If there are aliens out there, I want to be the ones discovering them. I do not want to be discovered by by aliens."
Okay? Think about this for a second.
You want to cook or do you want to be cooked?
I want starship troopers. I don't want Independence Day.
Picking up what I'm laying down. So, so we should go further in space. That's what I mean. We should go further in space. We should figure out how to do the whole, you know, like warp speed stuff, right? We should figure out better propulsion systems so we can actually go and explore because, you know, like I said, rather have Starship Troopers than Independence Day. You know what I mean?
That's kind of where I'm at with it.
There's stuff out there that we don't know about. We're scratching the surface, you know, and don't let anybody ever tell you anything different.
We're scratching the surface.
We got to figure out We got to figure out what's going on. And that's when I mean that I I like that's that's what I mean. Like there's no better way to say it. We should go and figure out that there's aliens out there, not aliens figuring out that we're here.
That would be bad. We don't want that.
What if they're mean? They might be mean. Okay, they might be aridians. They might be nice. Who knows? But they also could be very mean. We could discover the Zerg from Starcraft or the Flood from Halo.
Don't want that. That would be bad.
Need a light. Slam in. Want to turn up the heat? Yeah, the Borg could be out there. That would be bad.
Poor aliens. We are mean. Yes, that's right, Crunch. But hey, the universe is a violent place. Do not let anybody try to fool you and say that it's some happy golucky place. It is not. Stuff blows up up there all the time like stars.
It is a violent chaotic place. There's meteorites, there's meteors, there's rocks, there's ice, there's all kinds of crap up there. It is not a It is not a nice place to be. Space is constantly trying to kill you.
So that ipso facto aliens up there might be do might be want to do the same. So we should we should probably find them first. All right. At least I at least I recognize that we are violent people.
All right? Like humans are violent. I get that. All right.
I understand. But also at the same time like let's find the aliens, you know? Like I I I hate to be that guy, right? I'd prefer I'm from Buenos areas and I say kill them all, right? Like, as messed up as that sounds, rather that than Independence Day, what are the odds they exist? Good odds, MJ. The universe is a big place, dude. There's good odds that there's aliens out there. Now, whether they can get to us or not, that's probably unlikely.
There's something out there and I say we should go find it.
Aliens are going to be violent, too. How do you become apex predator on your planet otherwise? That's right, Blur.
There you go. That's what I'm saying, dude.
Universe is a violent place. Earth is a violent place. aliens. The aliens that we encounter, if we ever do, they might not be nice.
I mean, it would be nice to discover the Vulcans. That would be pretty sick.
Or the Aridians. That would be cool, too. But what are the odds of that? You don't know.
Don't you think with all the nuclear power we we got, we can be able to fight?
Don't know, dude.
You want to Do you want to find out? I don't want to find out.
Discovering Terran would be weird.
Yeah, that would be strange.
Those Vulcans.
Yeah, there you go. That's right.
It would suck being alone.
Kind of suck, but that means it's all out there for the taking. Ghost Vera, I don't necessarily mind that. Do you, Jack? You have another race this weekend. Going to Saturday practice, we use drum clutches. And my the problem is driving and my problem is driving this thing like a stock car with the throttle. Not keeping the clutch engaged is a big no no. Need to work on that.
You'll figure it out, dude. Just feel, man. You get it over time.
Finding the protos would be cool. Yeah, finding something like protos would be cool, but I can't help but think we'd screw it up somehow.
The mind-blowing thought though is that we're the lost tribe of a wider space fairing race.
I thought about that, Jay. Tinfoil hat theory time. Like thought about that.
What if like humans entered the system to colonize Mars with no way back, right, to wherever we came from, right?
And we screwed up Mars and then they came here.
I mean, penseria is a popular theory, guys. That's what it's called. And it's a funny word to say.
Uh yeah, that's we I mean scientists kind of think that that's how humanity and how Earth got kind of life that it was a meteorite hit it and gave us the building blocks that we needed.
Meteorite and meteor is just a spaceship. The different type of spaceship.
You said pan.
Did you see Ryan from NSF new Starship flight 12 hype vid? No. That's cool though. I'll have to check it out. What was the theory? Uh panspermy is that life came from outside of the solar system, Jackal. Uh that's what that means. Life came from outside of the solar system and it was it came in on a meteor or a spaceship. I mean unlikely a spaceship. Most likely a meteor hit Earth and gave Earth the building blocks for life.
That's the idea at least.
Mars escape ships, Adam and Eve. Dude, it makes sense. But, you know, that whole scientific thing needs that whole peer review and evidence thing. We kind of have to, hey, maybe we should go to Mars and figure that out, you know, like, oh geez, that might be a good idea. H.
That's not a bad idea.
The South Park episode be true. Earth is just a giant reality TV show.
You had the opportunity, would you go to space?
Of course. Sure.
I just realized I've heard this theory on a podcast. You have a podcast. Do you have the Tik Tok?
Can they put it in a very interesting way? Or we're just a subway locker in MIB.
Um, mutter. I If I'm going to go full tinfoil hat, that's probably that's not far off. Like if we're going to put the real big like, you know, uh, microwave reflecting tin foil tinfoil hat on.
If aliens have contacted us, it's probably not in this realm of existence.
They probably didn't get here from spaceflight, like, you know, you need to go from this star system to this star system. They're most likely interdimensional, like, but that's pseudocience. Like, who knows? But yeah, the gym locker theory, the dark forest theory. Yeah, yeah, yeah. See your last, please. What's up, Redbeard?
Is your last a tag?
I don't see your last. If it's not a tag, I can't.
It's beautiful, too. I don't think we could should just kill every alien species we come across, man.
Um, that's not necessarily the implication of what I'm trying to say, though, you know. Uh, the point is is that I don't want a race if a if an alien race is powerful enough to make an interdimensional portal to come here. They're way higher than us on a Kardashian scale. And they look at us the same way that we'd look at an antill. Do you care about an antill? No.
You step on an ant, who cares? No one cares. It It's not going to change the universe.
If aliens are contacting us, that means they are way better at technology than we are. And they will treat us as such.
Treat us like how we would treat a rat or a cockroach or an ant or a pet. I don't want any of that.
That's kind of the implication. Not that we should just go around looking for aliens and blow them up. You know what I mean, Gary? Space. The final frontier. $2 super chat or worse, cattle.
If I had to choose, I'd choose a hamster. Well, our planet does spin, so that would make sense.
You are bugs. Yeah, that's right.
Halfife 2 combine invasion. That jackal that is Halflife 2 kind of forged that tinfoil hat theory for me. But have you read Ender Game? Yes. Horse and Scott Card, man. Good books.
The movie sucked. It was not nearly as good as the book.
Yeah, that's fair enough. Don't mind me.
All good.
Did you finish Project Hill Mary the book? No, I'm not finished. I've not finished with it yet. Brimo and I are listening to it on audiobook.
Uh those plans kind of got delayed last week.
I agree. Hellfish. Yes.
If we do become cat pets, I'm cuddly and adorable.
Yeah, that's what I mean. Ollie, we should be the ones finding people play. If you guys want to understand how this works, play uh what's the Space Hearts of Iron game.
Oh, what's Stellaris? That's what it's called.
Yep. My voice is starting to go.
Play Stellaris. You'll understand what I mean.
Montalk is a 20 to 30 minute boat ride for you. I don't know what that means in context of what we're talking about, Arger, but that's cool.
I've played Stellaris on stream before, Jackal. Yeah. Um, okay guys, that was a pretty good space news. I think we're back in the groove here. I'm going to stop for now. I got to I got to go uh go return some videotapes.
I really don't think they would allow that information out. I truly think that aliens would have to come forward. I think modern civilization would break down if scientists came out and said we found ET there. I don't think people would care. Really, if you really want if you really want my honest opinion, be kind and rewind.
All right, guys. Hey, I I'll see you tomorrow once again. I don't know when I'm going to be here, but uh yeah, I'll be here tomorrow. We still have to talk about the Starship flight 12 plans and there is there is more space news. So I think I'm comfortable just maybe doing some Battlefield and space news. But we'll play it we'll play it by ear.
Okay. They're too busy looking at their phones to care. Bingo.
Give Bri love. Will do. Thank you very much.
But yeah, I'm just trying to slow roll back into streaming. We did a good three hours here at Space News. That's good.
Um, but yeah, it's it's going to take some time.
So, have a good night everybody. Thank you for watching. Thank you for being here. Sorry, you're going to have to bear with me. It's going to take some time for me to get back into the groove.
But uh I hope you enjoyed this space news and airplane puma museum dive F-14s, SLS, etc., etc. I hope you have a good night and I'll see you guys tomorrow sometime.
You have a Discord message? Yeah, I know. I know. I've gotten 27 Discord messages since I started this stream.
27.
I'll talk to you later.
Bye-bye.
Thank you very much for watching, guys.
Clarky, happy to see you. Much love your family. Well wishes. Thank you.
Appreciate it.
I'm Mr. Popular. Am I the popular one?
All right. In a row, I can make it 28.
No, I insist. Please don't.
All right. I'll see you guys tomorrow.
Thank you very much for watching. Have a good night.
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