DNC DOA | DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas

Added: 2026-05-23

[00:00:45]Yeah. So, let's try that again. Uh, you are watching Drogram with Ted R and Jamal Thomas. It is it is Friday, May 22nd, 2026. And thank you for joining us. We are here 9:00 am Monday through Friday Eastern time. Thank you so much for joining us. Good morning, JT. How are you?

[00:01:04]>> What is happening, my man? You doing okay this morning?

[00:01:06]>> I'm doing okay. Uh yeah. Um uh we got to talk about this DNC report. Um fun read.

[00:01:14]Um, so basically, um, three main things I had in the in the hopper to talk about. Um, the War Powers, uh, Act resolution picked up steam overnight and, uh, House Republicans had to cancel the vote on it because they don't think that they can defeat it anymore. Um, and it looks like it's going to pass the Senate. Um, it's going to pass the House. Um, it's going to the obviously Trump can and would veto it, but it would be a huge a humiliating thing for him. and it's showing the fracturing of the MAGA coalition. Iran and Oman uh JT are doing exactly what you predicted.

[00:01:50]They're setting up a formal uh toll collection system for the Straight of Ormuz uh which indicates to me that the Iranians do not believe they're anywhere close to a deal with the United States and don't feel like they can reach one.

[00:02:03]So, they're negotiating in a sort of uh nonpieace sort of a permanent non-piece kind of um mentality. uh they're, you know, I think they're hoping for the best but planning for the worst. And you know, you we all recall that the Democratic National Committee under chairman Ken Martin decided to bury the traditional party autopsy that follows every election, especially after an election loss. Republic both Republicans and Democrats do these every four years.

[00:02:35]Um the obviously Kla Harris's loss was devastating morally and um otherwise for the DNC and so everyone was curious to see what was in it. Um basically because nobody stopped asking for it ultimately he felt enough pressure to feel compelled to release what looks to be like a first draft of a report. My first take on this, and I'm dying to hear what you have to say about this, but my my first takeaway is because it's a first draft. It looks like there was a first draft, and then Ken Martin and perhaps others in the DNC decided to kill the entire process, they didn't even allow the autopsy to move to a towards multiple drafts and a final resolution.

[00:03:19]I mean, it's full of misspellings. It's got um statistical m statistical errors, calculation mistakes. Um, it's clearly the Democratic Party not really did not want to know or hear what went wrong in 2024, which is even internally that's astonishing.

[00:03:41]>> I think if I had to put my finger on it, I think what it boils down to is the moment that you Okay, let me transfer to something else.

[00:03:52]Do you remember after uh the wars? I think this came out a few years ago. Uh maybe five or six years ago. They had this document called what is it? Reasons I forget the specific name but it was basically in a the Afghanistan files >> the Washington Post. I believe it was a post that came out with >> correct. Yeah. where they had um military assessments of its own behavior in Afghanistan and how they effed it up so bad in Afghanistan when they were effectively when the US military was operating and it was brutally honest because they never expected it to come out. They thought it would stay just within the confines of military. And so you had military brass, three star generals, and below, even just regular people who were on the ground giving commentary about what they thought they got wrong in the war. And so when the thing was aired, you think to yourself, okay, would this have ever been aired if they thought anybody would ever see it?

[00:04:50]Meaning, would they have said these things if they thought people would see it? Well, the same thing is true for the Democratic Party. If they are putting out a document that is explaining how they got it so monstrously wrong, as you pointed out, morally and legislatively, then you are kind of stuck with whatever you write. Like meaning if I have to um recount my sins on some level, the recounting of the sins, you would think, especially if you're being sincere, is that you don't repeat the sins. Mhm.

[00:05:21]>> What is it when ultimately you will repeat the sins and you will repeat the sins because your fervent belief >> because the first step Jamar is admitting you are the problem but you don't want to admit you have a problem because if you're the DNC you are the problem >> you are the problem like your policies the things that you expouse the fact that you take money and there's this implicit I'm sorry explicit contradiction in this idea of we're going to be the release vala capitalism while taking, you know, more money than the Republicans. Okay. How do you mend that gap? The party is the issue. And I don't know how you write that in a way that doesn't fundamentally change the vehicle itself. Yeah, I imagine they wouldn't want to write that document, >> but they they needed it internally, right? Um, look, a lot of this stuff is totally, you know, there's no big shock about the fact that the original sin of the 2024 Democratic campaign was putting Joe Biden forward as the nominee again.

[00:06:24]Um, we knew that he was scenile back in 2020. And we knew he was scenile throughout his entire term. Uh, we knew he was physically frail as well as mentally unfit for office. Um I was saying that back in 2020. We were all shouted down. But okay, that's we that's well understood finally now. Um we knew that Kamla Harris they the the autopsy says something I'm not sure I totally agree with which is that um the coronation of Kla Harris uh was a mistake that she was a u they shouldn't have done that. They should have had some kind of abbreviated uh primary process. I don't think that's true. Uh given the timeline that they had available to them. No, I think the original sin of of I think that once they chose her as vice president, they were stuck with her in this scenario because of the simple fact it's the Democratic party. It's the wokier of the two parties. And she's a woman of color.

[00:07:25]So really, you're going to [ __ ] can the the vice sitting vice president woman of color who has not done anything wrong?

[00:07:33]nothing right but nothing wrong. She hasn't broken any laws. She hasn't, you know, she didn't swallow her own tongue.

[00:07:40]She, you know, nothing happened. And it's like it's [ __ ] June of the of election year. Let's not forget that it was June. Um and and it's like they had the convention coming up not in months, in weeks. And like and what kind of like squirly last second primary process could they have cobbled together that would have had the same legitimacy as primaries? They couldn't have. I mean there was it was not possible. I mean primaries are held in in cooperation you know with local and state boards of election. Uh they have to be you know put you have they have to have the facilities. They use schools, churches.

[00:08:20]I mean, there's tens of thousands of precincts across the United States. I I just think it logistically wasn't possible. You know, they basically she should not have been picked to be one heartbeat away from the presidency back in 2020. But once she was, they were stuck with her.

[00:08:39]>> If they were going to do that, because I I think I disagree with you on this.

[00:08:42]>> Okay, good. Because I don't think they in multiple elections the Democratic party effectively chose their nominee, not the people themselves.

[00:08:52]>> True.

[00:08:52]>> If you think of what they did to Sanders, if you think of this Joe Biden thing, if you think of Kamala Harris, there's something inherently wrong with this idea like because they really didn't have a primary if you think about it. I mean, they basically put Joe Biden on the marquee knowing full well that Joe Biden wasn't necessarily going to be able to do it. And to make it even worse, >> they installed him. That's that's why I'm gonna bring up name that was that was forgotten before it was remembered.

[00:09:16]Dean Phillips, right? I mean, poor Dean Phillips. He was like, you know, the Cassandra here. He was like, um, you know, I agree with Joe Biden on every single thing. I vote exactly the same way he does. I'm like Joe Biden, but not scenile and old. I'll let me run instead so that you'll all have had a choice.

[00:09:36]>> Or Dean Phillips. Everyone was like, "Fuck you. We hate you. Get the [ __ ] out of the party." And they they drunk him out.

[00:09:43]>> Basically, we don't want anybody going up against Joe Biden because we want to make sure that Joe Biden is our lead.

[00:09:49]And >> let's make it even wor. Let's let's be very clear about it. Also, does anybody believe that Joe Biden would have been able to survive the next term?

[00:10:00]No. I mean, do you really believe that?

[00:10:02]I mean, I'm talking life in one context, politically in another.

[00:10:09]Does anybody believe that Freel barely making it seem to be out of his mind?

[00:10:15]Joe Biden cancer.

[00:10:17]>> Yeah. Like meaning and they knew this >> and they covered up the cancer too.

[00:10:22]>> And they covered it up. So what they wanted was Joe Biden to win it and then let Camala Harris take it because they didn't believe that she could win it, which is also problematic. That's deeply problematic. I I don't know. I I take issue with this idea of being imposed a candidate even for a party that I don't support it. It's just it's so >> normally I'm on your side. I'm just saying from their point of view, you know, they've painted themselves into a couple of corners that they and it's kind of like they their their options were limited >> going back to 2020 when they decided like [ __ ] Bernie Sanders, we're putting in Biden Harris and >> Yeah. And by and by the way and and and seeing this very slowm moving train of the 2024 election moving toward them one day at a time like it did for all of us.

[00:11:13]They could have made a decision in 2022 and to allow Joe to bow out and install Kamla. They could have even done something where they sort of said we're going to do something unusual. Um Kamla is going to be really making most of the decisions. I'm gonna be holding her hand and training her how to be president.

[00:11:33]And that would have given her a chance to shine and to be seen doing things and in the public eye. Um, you know, sort of like if Clinton had stepped aside in favor of Al Gore after Monica, it would have given him two I mean, I don't think Kla Harris, to be clear, has any shining to show off, but I don't know that.

[00:11:55]Okay. I don't we don't none of us really know that. Like I, you know, I'm 90% sure, but that's not 100% sure. So, >> I agree with you. He should have stepped down.

[00:12:04]>> Yeah.

[00:12:04]>> I mean, like if if they were gonna play this game and play this role, he should have stepped down. Let her be president at the very least.

[00:12:10]>> That's what resignation is for. Look, I mean, if the can do it, the president can do it.

[00:12:16]>> Yeah. No, I agree with you on this one.

[00:12:18]I agree with you. She should have I mean, Joe Look, Joe Biden was being very shady at this point.

[00:12:25]>> Oh, >> Joe Biden was very upset.

[00:12:27]He was very >> He was so It was so shady. I mean, we could go on and do our own autopsy of like I mean, oh my god, like the the appearances that he did that like like the the CNN healthc care um town hall during COVID where he was fed the questions and the answers and then even though he even though he it was all softball stuff, he couldn't answer them.

[00:12:52]So then CNN CNN carefully edited out the most embarrassing moments from the archives that appeared on their website.

[00:12:59]Just like one thing, I mean, the fix was in all over the place. Guys, if you have questions, by the way, don't forget if you're watching on YouTube or on Rumble to go ahead and put those into the respective chats. Um, super chats and Rumble rants are especially appreciated because they help make this show possible and we really do appreciate and need your support to keep this going.

[00:13:21]Um, by the way, I >> say shady. I mean, Joe Biden was viciously angry when all of the Democrats came out to tell him to get out the race. Something that they shouldn't have had to tell him to do.

[00:13:35]>> No.

[00:13:36]>> And they kept saying get out the race.

[00:13:37]And when it finally became clear that they were pushing him out, he seemingly put a knife in Harris. Like, if you if you remember one of the things he says, "Hey, you're with me, right, kid?"

[00:13:48]basically you are not to deviate from my position in the least despite the fact that the positions was completely um unliked this meaning the disapproval for Joe Biden was very high >> everything from the to war all of this stuff >> and and the polls were very very clear that the you know Democratic voters did not want him to run for a second term.

[00:14:12]They were like yeah this he he presented himself from behind the scenes. I it drives me crazy when Democrats say today, "Show me where Joe Biden ever promised that he was going to be a one-term president." Well, okay, there's no speech of him saying that, but he did let it be known through The Hill and Politico, through back channels that that was his intention, and he never and he never retracted it or denied it.

[00:14:35]Right. So, he he absolutely uh wanted to do that. I wanted to get into uh some some of the contents of this um of this autopsy first draft, right? Um it seems like one thing Democrats, and I'm going to include Bernie Sanders, tend to do is they they just don't think that they need to run for the entire country. Uh they they they pick and choose certain demographics and states to run for. Uh and they and they ignore the rest and they hope they come along. And this autopsy claims that basically she was really interested in upscale coastal white educated suburbs and to the exclusion of rural America which she wrote off completely and let you know instead of making Trump fight for every state uh instead of making him I mean she should have been a whirling dervish.

[00:15:28]I mean, if you have 109 days to run for president, you know, you suddenly find I mean, if you woke me up and said, due to some very strange twist of fate, >> Mr. R, you could be president of the United States, you will be the nominee of a major political party, but the bad news is you only have 109 days to do it, but you're going to have a billion dollar war chest to do it with. Um, what do you think I would do? Well, the first thing I would do is put on a a big pot of 1775 coffee and and then I'd be like and then I'd be like, "Schedule me morning, noon, and night everywhere.

[00:16:11]Flood the zone. I want to be in all 50 states. I want to be in every county. I want to be in Guam. I want to be in the Marian Islands. I want to be I want people to be sick and tired of Ted [ __ ] R by the time this is over." But Kla Harris didn't do that. Um, she basically they they were like, "Well, we're just going to go for these like swingy little places and see uh, you know, if that just tips the balance." I mean, that's crazy to me. I mean, I don't know if it's cuz she's not a hard she didn't want to work hard or they just didn't think they needed to or they just like decided we're going to pace ourselves to a fault. I I don't get it.

[00:16:49]>> So, two things. Yes, agreed. I would be everywhere. Like meaning as much as long as my body >> podcast Rogan everything everything >> everything I want Joe Rogan if he wants me I'm mayor >> there's more he wants me I'm mayor but meaning I'm taking everything right >> everything even Sean Hannity who I wish was dead I don't >> I would ask Joe Biden to step down I mean because the problem that came well for one she had a few problems one she didn't know how to spend her money if you remember despite having over a billion dollar in a 100 days. She owed millions of dollars at the end of the race. So the spending thing was just weird in the way that she'd spend money.

[00:17:32]This happened to her in a primary also.

[00:17:34]If you look back to the primary before this particular election, Camala Harris when especially after the Tulsi moment where Tulsa put a knife in her, if you remember in that campaign, she overspent in that campaign also. And so spending and the way that she uses money seems to be a little bit dodgy. Um I think one of the biggest problems though is she was tethered to Joe Biden.

[00:17:57]>> She could not escape his policies. Like so Joe Biden is drowning on the Gaza issue. I mean for sake Trump comes out and is like yeah I'm going to make peace in Gaza.

[00:18:07]>> And she is stuck with the Biden position of beating down Palestinians and beating down people who want to bring up the Palestinian cause in any notion or democratic spaces. like >> they they told her she had to do that.

[00:18:22]Um you know some part of me again I like >> it lost for her. It lost like when you ask people that was one of the things that lost for Camala her she lost but it was like by nine points or something.

[00:18:32]You have one guy saying big piece and her saying I'm sticking with the same policy.

[00:18:36]>> Yeah. It caused some people to flip to Trump and it caused a lot of people to sit on their hands and just not vote.

[00:18:42]Um, you know, the word Gaza doesn't appear any in any of the 50,000 words in this report.

[00:18:49]>> It's literally not mentioned even though even the uh uncommitted delegate movement. You remember that?

[00:18:55]>> Um, that was a big deal. That's not mentioned. Um, the the base isn't mentioned. Um, I mean, okay, it was a first draft, but that's weird to me.

[00:19:08]>> Yeah, because all those were big factors. I mean the uncommitted movement some of those places had more votes than Joe Biden. They had delegates.

[00:19:15]>> I mean, which is amazing when you think about it. Like meaning people saying I am not going to support you while you support a genocide and they get more votes or at the very least more delegates than the principal in a particular state. That is amazing. That is amazing. And it's like how do you not put that or factor that into your analysis of people who have become so disenchanted that they check out of the political process? It's not even that they go vote Republican. It's more so I mean some do I suppose to vote against the party but it's more so to get across that you are not in line with your base and the lease and you seem to believe that the Republican can be enough of a spectre that people are compelled to vote against what they consider to be their own self-interest or their more own moral um values. Okay. But that proved to be wrong in every race with Harris.

[00:20:09]>> Yeah. Well, I mean that's the thing, right? I mean, um, you couldn't, look, you and I talked during that campaign. I mean, neither of us could really tell you what a President Harris was going to do. She didn't really promise anything other than to be joyful. Um, that was about it. And I guess she would have been joyful. Um, maybe the memories of the the the the dude that she sent, the innocent dude that she sent to death row in San Quentin kept her happy at night.

[00:20:36]I don't know. Um, I think she's a horrible person. Um but also this was also interesting this part you know I do try to be fair and and and look for empathetic moments and this was one of them for me in this report it said that um it was hard to def to define Trump as bad and here we are of course obviously with Trump's approval ratings uh in the absolute toilet to the point where his coalition's falling apart. We're going to talk about that very shortly. But he but they couldn't but the Democrats and Kla Harris basically couldn't really make a ca a strong case against Trump and they can't say in the report even what that would have been. I mean honestly what were you going to say about Trump? I mean I don't know what you could have. I mean, Donald Trump, the Donald Trump who was the candidate in 2024 is not the Donald Trump who became president in 2025 and is president in 2026, those are two different guys. Um, and so, you know, I mean, if someone's willing to misrepresent themselves to that extent to the American people, like, oh, I'm for peace. I want peace in Gaza to like I'm a full-fledged partner in genocide and now I'm also going to go to war on behalf of the genocidal maniacs in Israel uh to attack Iran and destroy the entire global economy. I don't know what Democrats are supposed to do. They can't predict the future.

[00:22:03]>> True, but the issue is not predicting the future. At least from my point of view, the issue is not one of over and over again they seem to think that this is purely an issue of language like that this is purely issue of um we need to be able to linguistically define our opponent or linguistically define oursel and create a narrative around oursel and etc etc. It's not that I think this is a substance issue that they don't fully understand because they've been delving in this whole linguistics for so long. Like basically, hey, we can lie to the American public to the degree that they've put us in office and this is just an issue of image management. I don't think that's what this is. I think this is a a sea change. I think I'm saying this weirdly, the person who should have been up against Trump if reality was let to unfold in the way that it was going to unfold was Sanders.

[00:23:02]>> And some of the may not like Sanders.

[00:23:04]That's besides the point from the standpoint of a substance issue where you have an election where the public is sick and tired of both political parties. One political party makes a change in substance in the case of Trump. And it's not that he is radically different than a Republican party per se, but he is the naked face of the Republican party in this sense. Whereas what you would have got the fullest expression of the base from the standpoint of Democrats in similar way to Trump would have been Sanders. You would have had a fight off between okay, who does the American public believe is the actual real bluecollar, you know, bluecollar fighter for them?

[00:23:47]and it would have been Sanders. Like it's it's yes, you would have convinced some people were Trump, but all things been equal. What you got would have been Sanders. That's not what happened. That substance change in the Democratic party didn't happen. And as Chris Matthews point out, if Sanders wins, he's going to take the party for a generation, which is what they were terrified of, which is why they behave the way that they behave. I guess my argument is what the paper gets wrong is that it's trying to imply that the American public can just be bamboozled through language that all of this is an issue of narrative. I don't think it is. I just don't think it is. I think the American public was looking for something else and the Democratic party never caught up with the fact that they were looking for something else. And if they were going to write an honest autopsy, it's very difficult to put that in it if indeed you're not going to make that change in regards to a substance change in the party. Give me your thought on that though. Maybe I'm talking to my ass. Do you see this? How do you view it?

[00:24:41]>> I think you might be overestimating the appetite of the American people for um substance.

[00:24:48]>> True.

[00:24:48]>> That would be true.

[00:24:49]>> I mean, I think framing is super important and uh and part of the evidence for that is the fact that Donald Trump won. I mean, Donald Trump's, you know, did not run with a coherent political platform that anybody could predict. uh he he ran on a pair of principles that were, you know, intentionally vague to an extreme.

[00:25:08]America first, make America great again.

[00:25:10]What do those even mean? Um it means whatever, you know, you want him to mean. And that was kind of the point. Um I think that look, I take your point. I think that there's a place for uh a candidate like Bernie Sanders who has very clear platform planks that we can understand easily understand uh repeated you know in his case it was you know what were they so remember them Medicare for all $15 an hour minimum wage um uh student loan forgiveness right that's it we understand what they were they were easy to remember and we everyone knows what the good and the bad aspects of those were um the um but with both Biden and Trump were running essentially a substancefree campaign. It was all about the messaging. The messaging was, you know, basically people didn't hear exactly what Trump was saying. What they heard was anger and they felt angry and they were like that's why they voted for the guy who sounded the way that they felt not joy. It was I remember being being driven crazy think the joy thing.

[00:26:14]I was like people are not feeling joyful. They don't they're they're not happy. And um right now they're really pissed off. If it was 1996, Joy might have been the right the right push. You know, the economy was booming, things were getting better. So, but this was not that election. And they misread the public.

[00:26:34]>> But I do think look, OB, it's like in cartooning, the best cartoonist is has great ideas and draws well. Okay. But really truly, there's a lot of people who draw well. there's not a lot of people with great ideas. Uh but you know if the sweet spot is to have both but you really need the ideas the drawing well you know you don't have to have that and in politics I think you don't have you know the sweet spot is to have a great platform with great messaging but if you don't have the great platform great messaging will get you there I think. Well, just to be clear, what I mean by substance in this case is Trump came across as a quantitative difference than, let's say, a George Bush or a Marco Rubio or a Mitt Romney or etc. that came across as just a normal politician. That's what I'm trying to get across from the standpoint of substance. I don't mean that Trump has substance. I think obviously I think he's a narcissist and a psychopath um and is an evil human being. very malevolent. So it it's not about substance in a sense of having ideas that you strongly believe in. And that's not what I mean about. I mean that when you're looking at Trump and you're comparing Trump who's on stage with let's say a Mitt Romney. Okay, these people seem very different from one another. Even if the ideas and the things that they do are going to be somewhat similar, they seem different quantitatively. Trump seems like a different brand of politician. Like the idea to come out and drop the fbomb as president on social media is just outlandish. And if you were talking about the 80s, it would have been impossible for a president to do that.

[00:28:17]They would have been rolled out of office. Like the meaning the the perspective of media would have been out like would have been overwhelming.

[00:28:24]Right? Today because of who Trump is and kind of it's almost like the space conformed around him. It's accepted. But but that's different.

[00:28:35]>> But that is things are right. I mean it's like Lady Gaga doesn't have to wear many clothes because she's basically built a career around that. Um you know if uh if um you know Ethel Murman had done that it would have been a different thing.

[00:28:50]>> It would but that's but therein lies my point. Democrats put up normal politicians against somebody who the political space considered to be abnormal and who the public wanted. And in that sense, Bernie Sanders might not have even been abnormal enough, but maybe although he look, he would have won for sure in >> but putting up Hillary Clinton is a no no in essence.

[00:29:15]>> That was on that point. There's no doubt about that. That was catastrophic. Um John Park, the one says, "Kamla was tokenism as at its finest and assumed that a woman of color was enough to beat Trump. They got cocky and deserved to lose. I hate >> I don't think they assumed that. I don't think they assumed that. If if look, if if that was true, then they would have made that argument that Joe Biden stepped down early.

[00:29:42]>> That wasn't the case. If you remember from the very beginning, the belief was that Camala Harris couldn't win. Even going up until the point where Joe Biden stepped down, the belief was that Camala Harris couldn't win.

[00:29:52]>> There's a comment about that. Ryan says, "I kept asking that question at the time. If Kamla is so great, why isn't she the president now?" because it had been obvious that Brian's that uh Biden's brain was mush for years.

[00:30:04]>> Exactly. They didn't think she could win.

[00:30:06]>> Yeah. And don't forget she only got 0.6% in the Democratic primary in 2020. Uh she never she did she had to drop out before the first before the Iowa caucus.

[00:30:18]Right. So So >> or I guess it was Oh, they did South Carolina first this time, right? Oh, no.

[00:30:24]Is that right? Yeah, that >> Well, either way, she >> No, that was 2020. It was It was Iowa was first. Yeah.

[00:30:30]>> Yeah. Either way, it was very quickly.

[00:30:32]>> She never She never was in an actual She was never in a primary. She never made it to the primaries.

[00:30:38]>> When she was in the debate, she got crushed very quickly.

[00:30:42]>> Yeah.

[00:30:42]>> And her polling, she just tumbled down from that point on. I guess I'm pointing out >> that little girl. She was that little girl on the bus.

[00:30:50]>> Yeah. I was that little girl on the bus, Joe Biden.

[00:30:53]by way, by the way, being busted to an elite school >> and supporting the same policy.

[00:30:59]>> Yeah.

[00:31:00]>> That she was putting a knife in Joe Biden about. I mean, don't get me wrong, great debate performance and in this case because she had Joe Biden defending states rights, but she supported the same policy. Point that I'm making is they didn't think she could win.

[00:31:13]>> Think she That's true. But that's why they should never have I mean, that's why it was so mystifying. I mean, you're in 2020. you're, you know, I I guess you're in a vape filled room, you know, with and and these guys are are are plotting and scheming and they're like, "Okay, so we're going to put Joe Biden in." I mean, we know we're like flying close to the sun here because the dude will be the oldest dude to have ever been elected to the American presidency.

[00:31:42]And we've had scenile presidents before.

[00:31:45]So, here we go. Joe Biden was never that smart to begin with. And look at the shape he's in. Um, but we're going to for his number two, we're just going to balance the ticket with a, you know, we're going to choose a a lady of color and basically that's it. But she doesn't really bring much else to the table. Um, in terms of, you know, I guess the only other thing is she'd been a senator, so she's the played the classic vice presidential liaison to the US Senate.

[00:32:12]That's it. But there's nothing else that she brought to the table. I mean I mean he was a little old but Bernie Sanders would have been an interesting choice for vice president by the way.

[00:32:23]>> Yes. Agreed. Agreed. Well so >> well it would have guaranteed victory.

[00:32:30]>> Well the reason they chose Agreed agree I agree with you. The reason they chose Kamal he would have been bastardized in that position but I agree with you that he would >> it would have been Yeah. It would have been he would have been playing the LBJ role in 1960.

[00:32:44]>> Yeah. From my understanding, the reason that they chose Kamala Harris is because they made a deal. Joe Biden needed South Carolina >> and Joe Biden needed to make an agreement that he would basically allow the candidate.

[00:32:58]>> This was a This was a Jim Clyurn uh production.

[00:33:01]>> Exactly where I was going. Cleber.

[00:33:03]>> And by the way, and by the way, did you hear they're scheming? The Republicans in South Carolina are going to are trying to gerrymander Klyurn's district into oblivion. So, he's gone.

[00:33:13]>> That's amazing. I'm I'm not shocked back, but that's amazing.

[00:33:16]>> Yeah, it won't it won't make me cry.

[00:33:17]Really, I hate him. Um but >> for all intents and purposes, Clyburn made the deal. Hey, you want South Carolina? Because keep in mind, if Sanders took South Carolina, he was off to the races that would prove, hey, you were able to get the black vote and you're able to beat Joe Biden for that black vote in a black well, they call it a black state even though it's not a black state, but whatever. Right.

[00:33:39]>> You get my point.

[00:33:40]>> I do get your point. Uh the culprit was a culprit in all of this.

[00:33:47]>> Totally. Mantel, thanks for the two bucks. With the DNC fumbling its own postmortem and the GOP afraid of President [ __ ] is it safe to say that both parties are running on absolute chaos? Is this the biggest opportunity for a centrist third party?

[00:34:02]>> I don't know third party, but it is an opportunity for a wellunded independent party.

[00:34:09]>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I you could cobble together I you could cobble together a party that has a completely um post contemporary realign post 1932 realignment, right? Like a party that is truly nationalistic and um protectionist of jobs and uh anti-militarist um you know that basically appeals to the populist left and the populist right. I think you could put that together. So do I.

[00:34:40]>> But the problem is I don't know how you get to 270 electoral votes in a presidential election, but you can certainly build um you can certainly build up a campaign. You can you can build up from the base. You could certainly start running people for local and state office. Of course, >> I mean, I would argue that you could thread a needle through the left and right and get both. I mean, like if because I am a firm believer that and and tell me if I'm talking my ass on this. I'm a firm believer that the American public would allow you pet projects if you attend to the main issues.

[00:35:14]>> Like so for example, like if you think about it, would the American public take issue with Trump um going after immigration in the way that he's going after even in excess if he was also I don't know stopping the wars. So hey, I'm stopping the war in Ukraine, but I'm doing this immigration stuff because that's the thing that I enjoy.

[00:35:33]>> Yeah, I think they would.

[00:35:34]>> I think they would.

[00:35:36]or like or we want to spend a lot of money on a Mars base. Again, they'd be okay with that.

[00:35:41]>> Yeah, I think the public would be okay with that providing you're attending to their needs and the things that they want.

[00:35:46]>> No, it's true. It's like there's a um movie on I think it's on HBO called Bad Education. Terrible name. Great movie.

[00:35:54]Um and it's about um an obscure scandal in American history. It's the Rosland school scandal. Rosland's a little town in Easter in Long Island, New York.

[00:36:04]Basically, long story short, it's uh it was it was about the administrators of top brass of the school district who were, you know, leeching money out of the school for years and just lying in their own pockets. No big deal, right?

[00:36:18]The interesting thing to me was that the school district was excellent. The educational attainment level were good.

[00:36:24]The teachers got paid well. There was always up-to-date equipment. So, the kids and the parents never noticed anything wrong because they weren't pigs. They didn't take out so much money that there was nothing left. They got to your point, they got the basics done.

[00:36:39]They took care and that's why it went on for years because they, you know, as far as anyone could see, they're paying their taxes. Their taxes aren't too high. They're getting good services.

[00:36:50]Who's going to look into it? You start to look when it's like, wait a minute, I'm paying high really high taxes and everything really sucks. If the republic, you know, if if you had a party that like Trump or whoever, they're taking care of the basics, you know, you're you're cut your life is affordable, things are looking for good for you and your kids, you know, we we're building highspeed rail. I think people would be like, you do you, I'll do me.

[00:37:18]>> Yeah.

[00:37:20]I'm taken care of. I don't really care what you're doing, right?

[00:37:23]>> Like that's what it becomes. Like I know that sounds so selfish. No, but that's that's reality. But >> reality, I think that's reality. I think that's just public functions because if you think about it, there's so much stuff that the US government does at any one moment. And a lot of that you're not going to like, right? But some of it you may and if you have a government that is attending to things that you consider to be core values, then you may not you may say, "Okay, I don't like that, you know, dude is doing XYZ, but I'll accept it.

[00:37:55]But I'll accept it. I mean, you A, you may not have a choice, but B, it may be a legitimate exception. Um, if indeed is a better alternative.

[00:38:06]>> Hey, Ted, just pop it in real quick. Are you seeing the chats in the Discord that I'm dropping?

[00:38:12]>> Um, let's see. Um, >> have a lot. They're backed up there, my friend.

[00:38:17]>> Okay. All right. Let me let me get to them. All right. Thank you, Robbie. Uh, all right. So, let's get through these.

[00:38:23]Um, okay.

[00:38:28]Um, question for me from Fasmataz. As a cartoonist, any insight on these non-white pro-white nationalist mass shooters who are obsessed with cartoon characters? It's a weird culture spreading in Asia. I am familiar. Uh, of course, you know, there's the whole Pepe the Frog thing. I honestly don't [ __ ] understand it at all. and being a cartoonist provides me with zero insight into this. I don't know what the [ __ ] Um, okay. Uh, Sneaker Dad, thanks so much for the $20. The twop partyy system is gone, as is the Constitution.

[00:39:07]Um, let's see. Um, the Oh, Ryan Newton, the Democrats preferred Trump to anyone who was even nominally left.

[00:39:20]Agreed. Um, Skylasi, I can't stand people who say they were duped by Trump because how did I see through it from how did I see through it from the start?

[00:39:29]It's all [ __ ] meaningless words and promises. He never cared about anyone other than himself.

[00:39:36]Not wrong. Government. So, the lesser of two evils is what we get. Plus, the last president to have have a surplus was Clinton. So, no matter who wins, the debt will grow. And I think this catches us up. Daddy of triplets, thank you so much for the $5 donation. For me, the third parties have always lacked a legitimate serious candidate. The politics were there. The candidate wasn't. Um, >> I would say it's usually true. The closest we got, I think, to someone who I could actually see as president is maybe Ralph Nater.

[00:40:08]>> Yeah. Yeah. And he had a good plan also.

[00:40:12]>> They put a night in him like nobody's business.

[00:40:15]>> They they sure did. Um, and they still blame him for Florida 2000. Um, Can I put the question up on the on the board?

[00:40:22]Um, can Democrats push through real reforms following the autopsy report?

[00:40:26]Um, I don't think it's possible, right?

[00:40:29]I mean, there's a there's there's calls for uh the resignation of uh Ken Martin, but he's still in charge. The DNC seems to me like it's always one new [ __ ] after another, right? It's never I mean, it's the culture. It's the DNC is the DLC. They are militantly centrist corporatist and it's an anti-left party.

[00:40:55]It's where the left goes to die.

[00:40:57]Leftists who or liberals who vote for the Democratic party vote against their own interests.

[00:41:03]>> I you know there's an interesting and I'll make this quick. Deep space once had this um conversation about the Cleon Empire to a Cleon Warf. I don't know if people know who Warf is, but Ezra was having a conversation with Warf where Warf was basically talking about, you know, the pride of the empire and blah blah blah. And Ezra gave him this assessment that I think applies to us.

[00:41:26]And she was pointing out like, "Dude, I understand you guys have this notion of honor and everything else, but your empire, when have you elected a leader that you can even look up to?" And she made the point of saying like if an honorable man like you still support what is a obviously corrupt declining power um which is your empire then what does it mean for the empire itself? Meaning if you as an honorable man would support this institution that is obviously corrupt then what does it mean about this entire edifice? And I guess I feel that way about the Democratic Party and I feel that way about the government broadly, but all of these things are inherently corrupt. And a political organization that is supposed to be a political organization just seems like a money-making operation to me with, you know, the politics being a bug, not a feature. It's just very bizarre. If your aim is to get elected, you don't behave this way. And maybe they just got so accustomed to laying against Republicans that being able to create a platform that people give a [ __ ] about is not something that they could do at this point.

[00:42:34]>> They haven't learned their lesson. I mean, honestly, they just haven't. Um, speaking of lessons, well, let's talk about before we move on to Iran. Um, War Powers Act that's related to Iran. So, um, Speaker, uh, Johnson decided to, uh, cancel a vote that he seemed likely to approve with as of yesterday. That was supposed to happen today. Looks like enough Republicans and, uh, pro-war Democrats have bled over to the uh, correct side of the aisle. This doesn't mean that they're against the war necessarily. It just means that this is they have enough votes in Congress to basically send the message that under the War Powers Act after 60 days that the president has to come to Congress and get a rubber stamp in order to proceed to with continued hostilities.

[00:43:23]Um the president doesn't want to do that. Two questions. Why doesn't he just go to Congress and ask for authorization because that would help give him cover, right? I mean, if Congress denied him and he then he could tell BB and he could tell uh he could tell and if the war, you know, got even worse, he could say, "Look, my hands were tied. Uh the Democrats in Congress and their Rhino allies, you know, stopped me from winning. We would have had so much winning. It's their fault." And if they sign off on it, whatever goes wrong, it's he can say, "Well, you know, we were all in it together. They voted for it, too. They can't run against me on this." Why not go to Congress and get their approval? Um or try to get their approval.

[00:44:06]>> If I had to guess, he doesn't want to legitimize Congress.

[00:44:10]>> Like if you go to Congress, you legitimize congressional power over the president to wage wars. Now, obviously, it is Congress's purview to wage wars, but power is taken. It's not necessarily given. And if the president makes the choice of saying, "Okay, I'm going to go to Congress." then you're stuck with whatever Congress gives you as opposed to you effectively not acknowledging congressional power in this case and you proceeding on your own. I think it's your power if I'm being honest. I mean Congress obviously has pur strings. Congress can obviously pull the reigns and the fact that Johnson pulled his vote meant that Congress was not going to give him what he wanted. meaning in this continuation of whatever the hell he's doing. I suspect Trump wants a deal.

[00:44:57]But >> I think you're right and I think that's sick because the partisan advantage that would be gained would be tremendous by going to Congress. Um, it's really a no lose. Except you're right. And that's the part, you know, that this kind of behavior is the kind of thing that makes me wonder whether we're going to see midterm or presidential elections going f in the into the future because consolidating power seems to be job one for this president. We have an ad that I should read and then we can continue the discussion. Um, uh, we hear a lot about crypto, but here's the part most people miss. Crypto was created so you could actually own and control your own money.

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[00:46:36]Okay. So, um, yeah. So, War Powers Act. So, yeah. I mean, I'm very worried that there won't be elections.

[00:46:46]>> I am also, but I am I don't think my mom and I got into um conversation yesterday. I'm not going to call it an argument because it's not really argument. Um, and I have a >> discussion.

[00:47:02]A spirited discussion.

[00:47:04]Um I am not a religious man. I am not an atheist but I am not a religious man. I don't have this belief that anything cares. We are in it on our own. And to be honest or to be fair and on our own is not precisely the way I think about it. I think nothing intervenes. Nothing cares in order to intervene in the sense. And so anything that happens it happens. And what happens effectively?

[00:47:29]It's either human will in order to make that thing happen or not using human will to make that thing happen. If that makes sense. Meaning if people are being murdered and killed, there's nothing to stop that nor does it need anything to stop it. It will just keep going on its own valition until people are just full of drinking blood.

[00:47:49]The conversation about the Iran thing is a really good example of that where it's like we are murdering people. Shouldn't there be a consequence? And fact of the matter is, if you think of the number of people that we've killed all across the globe and all of these wars and everything else over all of these years to maintain hegemony, why should we be absolved and given grace? It's that question. And I understand that that question is uncomfortable. This idea of $11 gasoline. Okay, why should we be absolved from that? This idea of having a radical maniac as the president. Why should we get grace on this stuff? From my point of view, these are consequences of the US being an empire where it's just rolling in a mechanical process where we've got to the point where the world is changing and they're trying to pull away from this idea of this hegemonic control and we get the naked face of America being displayed not just to the external world but also to us. I would argue this is this is mechanical. This was always bound to happen. In fact, I don't even know a way out of it where a a hedgeimon was going to just give up the reigns to give up the reigns. I mean, even Britain, they gave up the reigns after a war broke Britain. What about America?

[00:49:04]And doesn't it seem like we're careening into larger conflicts around the globe?

[00:49:08]Give me your take on that though. Maybe um >> No, I I agree with everything you've said. What I would just also add is in some ways even though there's you know people are acting obviously you know at of their own valition as individuals and as part of a group in also in many ways there are cy historical cycles that like you allude to at the end of that are inevitable. Sort of like the way that you know how does a flock of birds individual birds move sort of you know in waves as one? How do they know? Um, you know, it's kind of like the way that you know how to walk if you're going in and out of a big sporting arena and you sort of get into a rhythm. Um, there's certain flows of history that are just inevitable and it's like you're not going to be able to just re reverse course. Um, we are late capitalism. We are late expanded empire. Um, and it would be great to It's sort of like it's sort of somewhat like someone says like, "Well, if everybody stopped throwing their trash out the car window, then there wouldn't be any litter on the side of the road, >> right?"

[00:50:14]>> And that's true, but that's like a statement that means absolutely nothing because people going to still throw their trash out the window, right?

[00:50:21]>> Um, and so like there's nothing you can do about it. I mean, I guess I mean, sometimes you can do something radical like, you know, if it was the Taliban, they could pass a law that says if we catch you doing that, we're going to shoot you right on the spot. They do that enough times that might work. That does work, but, you know, we're not likely to do that kind of thing. So, it's not impossible. It's just that like the odds are so low that they're barely worth talking about, I think, is the way I would put it. Um, >> we have some more comments we should get to. Um, uh, Manchild, thanks for the donation. With the DNC fumbling, it's Oh, I already have that. Um, okay. Oh, I guess we already had those.

[00:51:02]That's a repeat. Um, I don't know if uh, >> by the way, the reason that I was trying to make the point or we nothing stops until you make it stop. That was the point I was trying to make.

[00:51:12]>> Well, yeah. Yeah. And like, you know, people can and they can and do make things stop. A revolution is an example of that where people have just finally had enough. And often a revolution will be sparked by a spontaneous event like the French Revolution being caused by the tax avoiding, highly annoying Marquead.

[00:51:32]Uh you know, locked up in the in the Bastile with four other fellow prisoners drunk and carrying on and shouting down on a hot day to a bored crowd of Parisians that he was being that people were being tortured and killed. None of that was true. And it led but they were all drinking like the day was long because you know they were Parisians.

[00:51:53]They didn't have portable water. So all they drank was wine and beer all day long. So you know by 3 in the afternoon they're lit and ready to go. Next thing you know that you know the they've stormed the prison. The French Revolution is off and running. I mean it's not a very noble cause start but the fact is if it hadn't been that it would have been something else. The tinder was dry. The the embers were blowing around. it it was going to blow.

[00:52:17]Um, and that's I think, you know, I guess we're I feel like we're getting there. I'm not I'm not sure if we're there yet, but >> we're not there.

[00:52:26]>> We're moving in that direction. Um, >> yeah, I don't think we're there yet.

[00:52:29]>> I don't think so.

[00:52:30]>> No, I mean I mean, you know, it's like that thing like it'll seem inevitable after it happens, right? I think that's RFK or maybe he was quoting someone. So, listen, I wanted to give you let you take a victory walk here. Straight of our muzz. So Iran and Oman are now talking. Um they are having they're negotiating but they're saying it's not a toll system. It's a toll system.

[00:52:52]>> It's a toll system.

[00:52:55]>> They're like it's a facilitation system.

[00:52:59]>> Whatever.

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[00:53:14]That'll be how we facilitate.

[00:53:17]>> Um, yeah. So, Oman is a US ally. Um, I thought that was I mean that to me indicates like the me the mere fact that they're even willing to hold formal discussions over this to me indicates that you're starting to see the um something I had predicted that uh countries like uh Qatar and so on are going to start to rethink their close ties to the US and uh and and make nice with the Iranians.

[00:53:45]They're going to have to.

[00:53:47]>> They might. Um, right now they're in their feelings about, you know, being blown up or having the bases blown up.

[00:53:55]But yeah, the management system, okay, we won't call it a toll system. It's like a management. It's like on housewives. It was like he's dating a rapper. It's like he's not a rapper.

[00:54:02]He's a DJ. It feels like that. It's a management system. Um, that's what it feels like, right?

[00:54:09]>> Dude, she's a She's an escort. Yeah.

[00:54:11]>> Yeah. She's an escort. She's not a stripper. She's a dancer.

[00:54:15]Right.

[00:54:15]>> She's an exotic dancer. Yeah. So obviously it's a total system. Obviously it's a total system. Yeah.

[00:54:23]>> And yeah there I mean from Iran's point of view they've said it very loudly.

[00:54:27]This is now ours. We are not giving this up. And by the way if that becomes true.

[00:54:34]This thematic strategic defeat would be clear. which is why people like me thought that there would be more strikes that would take place before water reaches its level as a crude um you know explanation of or example of what the way I think about the stuff meaning it's hard for me to see the US saying okay we're going to give you straight from or the very least okay we can't take this back from you and we're going to end the war and the conflict even if it's just the armistice with you holding on to it because of the way it makes us look we look bad if that's Same thing with the uranium, right? When you get the president continuously putting out red lines, we will take the uranium or else. Okay, that's a red line. That's you putting up an ante. You either get it or you don't. Same thing with the straight formoose. That is a obvious clear indicator that you lost if you don't take that back or at the very least you don't have the ability to remove Iranian control from it. Again, these are big ticket items that are every bit as much as interesting as a Cuban missile crisis. There's something that has been wagered. Does the US have the capability of doing this? Yeah. Or nay. That's fascinating to me because very rarely do you get these kind of big things that have been clearly defined as objectives that you either get the objective or you don't get the objective.

[00:55:58]We'll see. I think there'll be more strikes, but I could be wrong. Oh, I think there will be too because I don't I mean, you know, it's like look, the the only options are, you know, the beatings will continue until morale improves or the um or like you're going to get real and talk to the Iranians like from a position of reality and respect.

[00:56:22]This government, and I'm not even gonna blame Donald Trump personally, this pre this government can't do that. Barack Obama couldn't do that. Nobody could do that. Yep. Yeah, that's hard.

[00:56:32]>> It's just not >> as a headline. That's hard.

[00:56:35]>> It's not our It's not our bag, you know.

[00:56:39]Um Okay, so let's get a few more comments here. Um uh Manchild, thanks again for the donation. While DC plays chicken, the global economy bleeds. Does anyone actually believe a a deal is coming or are we just funding a forever economic war?

[00:56:56]>> Well, we're going to get they're they're going to get real. They're gonna when gas hits 10 bucks a gallon later this year, they're gonna get real.

[00:57:03]>> Well, see that was so that was a leak that came out yesterday that Iran and the US have reached the deal. And the leak quote unquote I'm calling it a leak eventually was nailed down saying this is nonsense. Well, there is no deal.

[00:57:17]However, the gap has narrowed between the two sides. I don't know what that means when they say the gap is narrow between the two sides. in the document that even RT had released looked like a surrender by America because America didn't get what it wanted in the stuff and even saying joint control of the straight for Moose I don't know what that means doesn't mean that the US and Iran hand in hand control it I don't see that and so the document >> that's nonsensical >> yeah it's nonsensical on that front also when it says >> Oman Oman and Iran can jointly control it absolutely >> well that's the thought And does the US have a stake in the Oman part that allows that to make sense? I I don't know.

[00:57:59]>> Yeah. So, >> Oman is uh Oman is America's sock puppet is what you're saying.

[00:58:05]>> Yes. Meaning because that's the only way that makes sense. I have a hard time believing that Iran is going to be like, "Yeah, sure. We'll join hands with the >> or that the Omanis would uh or that the Omanis would [ __ ] can the Americans to that extent." I mean, the Omanis like to just go along to get along. I mean, >> yeah. I mean, mind the US said the same thing about the nuclear power plant in Zaporosia. It's like, hey, we'll work with the Russians for the Zaporosia power plant. The Russians said, "Fuck off." Like, are you out of your mind?

[00:58:31]And that's what I mean. I have a hard time believing the Ryan will be okay with that.

[00:58:34]>> No, I I don't think so at all. Um guys, uh I'll uh thank you so much for joining us. We are going to be uh away for the weekend. We'll be back on Tuesday with the show at 9:00 a.m. Eastern time. Uh, next week we'll also have a show uh Q&A show Wednesday. Uh, so it's Tuesday at 9:00. Uh, Wednesday 9 and 12 noon. No TMI show. Uh, Robbie, you have something to say?

[00:59:03]>> Yeah. Uh, no TMI. I'm putting together a super cut that'll be running later on today. Just kind of a rerun. So, be one today and then one for decoration day on Monday for the program and tmi. And we will be ready.

[00:59:14]>> Also known as Memorial Day for those of us uh from the uh northern side of the war of northern aggression.

[00:59:20]>> Well, you're on the wrong side.

[00:59:21]>> What do you mean by decoration day?

[00:59:24]>> That's decoration day. But no, we'll be raiding poop Putinbot gaming. So, just come over, hang out, chill out. JT, I want to get you Balders's Gate 3. Uh do you play on a console or a computer?

[00:59:36]>> I've never played Balders Gate 3.

[00:59:37]>> I know you haven't, but I'm going to fix that. We're going to play together three.

[00:59:42]Huh?

[00:59:43]>> I mean, since there's no TMI, we have a little bit of time if if Yeah. Explain.

[00:59:47]And by the way, weren't we supposed over so you can just go over and watch?

[00:59:51]>> Well, wait. Have something at 12 also.

[00:59:55]>> Um I know we had talked about I don't know if it was confirmed or not because Ted is traveling.

[01:00:02]>> Yeah.

[01:00:03]>> Yeah. Yeah. No, I think we can let's let's talk we'll get on the phone afterwards.

[01:00:08]>> All right.

[01:00:08]>> Okay. you. Oh, you don't want to have this conversation on air for everybody?

[01:00:11]>> No, I'm taking us out. I'm taking I'm taking us out right now. Here we go.