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Season 6 and episode number 917 of the Daily Beaver Morning Show. Oh, Canada.
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Today recording day is Thursday May 28th 2026 and it is a gorgeous sunny day at the Beaver Lodge as you can tell by the light on my face. I am your host the eager beaver pronouns he him Mr. Beaver and not with me as usual is my good friend Mr. Grizzly. A big thank you goes to our podcast founding sponsors, The Peppermaster, the Miss B mysteries from Corbin Moon Publishing, and Psychic Tarot.ca.
Get some cubs, how is your mental health doing today?
I am um Oh boy, I'm tired.
I'm tired. Uh I've not been sleeping well uh since we uh started painting. Um fumes a little bit. Uh we've been trying to sleep of course with the windows open uh to deal with that uh which of course has been letting some of the humidity in and uh I can't sleep when that happens.
Uh so I have not had a good night's sleep in about 2 weeks. Hopefully uh today is the final day. Uh we will have someone in the house uh painting uh at least for now. Um we will still have the two bedrooms uh to do at some other point. uh but we have to fix something in the ceiling in one of the bedrooms and the other bedroom well is the one in which I'm doing this. So uh after two weeks of being disrupted I I want a little break from the disruption before um I go through more disruption because I'm not exactly sure how or I'm going to manage to do the show when we actually have to paint this room. Um, so, uh, it it it might have to result in a temporary hiatus or shows done exclusively, uh, from the phone, uh, which does not allow me, uh, to use clips and stuff like that, uh, which are always a little more tricky to do as shows. So um but yeah uh I'm I I am as you know telling to you I'm an introvert and um I am tired of having a lot more people around and I say this ironically because we are planning to go camping this weekend and uh my baby sweetie and I are going with a friend which I have to say uh of course a friend whose company we we we very much do enjoy.
Fortunately, a friend is a little bit more like me. Uh somewhat introverted and a little more calmer and quiet. So, um if we have to spend some time with yet more people, um that would be the person.
So, let's just put it that way. U so very much looking forward to it. Uh but was really hoping that we would be done yesterday so that we can gather all the stuff and uh I could start doing some food prep for the coolers and whatnot uh today. uh without having, you know, to be interrupted every 10 or 15 seconds, you know, 10 or 15 seconds. I'm exaggerating. Uh but, you know, asked for my opinion on something or to come here or to stop what I'm doing, to consult on something or all that kind of stuff. I just I want some quiet, preferably alone. Uh but it is not to be. Uh but camping nature disconnecting uh for a weekend is going to be a very very good thing. Um since I already showed you one QR code, hey, why not try a little thing uh things a little differently today. Uh for people who watch us early and sometimes don't get to the end, uh if you uh like our content and would like to support us, uh this is a QR code uh that would allow you to uh do so. We have uh the Eager Beaver Lodge's emergency hydration fund, we call it, uh where uh we try to keep your favorite beaver nice and moist because a moist beaver is a happy beaver. So, uh if you like what we do and would like to encourage us to do a little more, just scan that QR code. And uh if you would like to buy Mr. grizzly a cup of hot coffee or me a uh cup of hot chocolate to say at a beaver at a grizzly. We would really appreciate that. Uh particularly uh in this age where it seems that we are being throttled and we are still being throttled unfortunately it does not seem that it has ended. Um, again, our our shows are not picking up uh the amount of views that they used to have and uh uh Twitter keeps on changing the rules every single day. Apparently, today we hit our daily posting limit uh within uh between 6:00 and 6:30 this morning, half an hour. Apparently, our daily posting limit now is at 12 tweets, it would seem. Uh, however, I tried to post uh this show uh and it went about an hour and a half later. So, it would seem and doing more research that there are some post limits. Says that there's a 2,400 post per day account limit. I don't not know who hits that unless they're using automated stuff or managing many accounts uh from one, which includes retweets. Uh there's something else that says though that there's a 400 um post limit for something else. I don't know what. Uh but apparently when you reach your post limit, it says, well, you know, subscribe to us for like $29 a month. Uh and you'll be able to post more, but they don't tell you how much more. And it seems that not only are there post limits per day, but there are post limits per uh periods of time. And that's where it affects us because let's say we have one hour a day to dedicate to our Twitter feed to get all of our tweeting done. um you know with copy and pastes and schedules and whatnot and just simple retweets uh we can be uh rather prolific and the fact that if I'm at my desktop I can type about 80 words a minute um you know we can be prolific in that hour well it seems that at least this morning uh 12 tweets including a couple of retweets uh within half an hour was enough to uh to be told that that's your limit for the day. Uh but yet uh an hour and a half later we were able to post at least the tweet for the show so that people could find us. So we have no idea what is going on with Twitter because they just won't tell us how it is that they've changed their systems and they won't tell us what what you know how much is free, how much you got to pay for and what you get for your money. They just refuse to tell you that and they refuse to tell you what the limits per hour per period is, whether there's a peak period, whether there's not. They just they don't tell you anything. So, I do not know how you how anybody can plan. I'm a planner. So, just let me know what the boundaries of the soundbox are and I will play within them. But they keep changing and they won't tell us what they are. So, we have no no idea what to do. It just really seems that Twitter has been dedicated to trying to kill every single business that operates on it unless you actually pay them. and it seems to be turning into an extortion racket which you know unsurprising considering the players involved but frick it's amazing how like I shouldn't say it's amazing because we're seeing it with Donald Trump and just like one freaking person can come along and destroy uh on a whim things that you've invested six years in you know six years to try to build an audience and and that's just Twitter I mean you know I mean we've been doing this for for a while now we've been doing since Harper's majority majority since we started the blog. So I mean you know it's while our our show's presence on Twitter is only as old as the show itself because we were just a blog and you know we were never using Twitter to promote our blog. Um but we started using Twitter to try and promote our shows. Um, you know, if you count back, we're looking at, you know, 12, 13 years of work and like overnight Twitter can just say, "Yeah, you those 12 13 years you invested into developing a brand, yeah, we're just going to kill that." Boom.
Again, uh if this was not a passion project, um that you know I would be financing anyway like we did when we started it, um we'd be out of business.
We'd be out of business. What's happened over the past month and a half would have completely shut us down. There are probably a lot of people voices that a lot of people were listening to that have been completely shut down as a result result of what's going on, but they are just literally destroying people's businesses because they can.
It's um Yeah, I know. I know. Kid Mo, it's not just one person's concentrated effort by more than just one. I keep on stumbling across videos. I stumbled across a video. KaviG sent it to me about, you know, an account in the United States space that has over a million followers, you know, and I'm sure that they actually have staff and people that they employ and whatnot to get the news out. They got this glossy studio, you know, they got well produced stuff, you know, it's not one person, you know, talking to a camera like me trying to produce their own stuff on the fly. They've got people back there. I'm sure these people are paid people to help promote it and they say like we can maybe continue on like for like this for like a month two or three but after that right so people that are way more successful than us can see the case uh how their business could completely fall apart really quickly if this continues.
Um, so yeah, I I you know, when you add it, you know, to the fact, you know, things that we're seeing, you know, Co Bear uh being pulled off the air for allegedly purely financial reasons and uh every time that they go after Kimmel and what they've uh what's been done to Voice of America in the States and what's been done to PBS, what's been done to NPR um and you know what's happening to CBS.
Oh my god. Uh, and yeah, we have conservatives here.
Every single opportunity they get trying to link everything to CBC and cancel and defund and whatnot. The CBC is there's clearly a push for there to be only one voice out there, just one.
and uh uh those who control uh the platforms um appear appear at the moment to be agreeing with the fact that there should only be one voice and um yeah it's uh it's really discouraging you know it's I'm I want to say it's not I'm I'm not a revolutionary I'm not trying to change the world. And I mean, I guess I mean, I'm not a revolutionary. At least I don't think I'm a revolutionary.
I'm just some guy that has uh some critical thinking skills who happens to love my country and be fascinated with politics. Uh the potential for the good it can do, you know, and the strategy that goes into the Perry and thrust of it. But we're um with the dedicated effort to make politics as so toxic that nobody wants to participate in it. Um it's you know and to just um suppress any voice that is not the one that is approved of.
It's a it's easily discouraging. I mean that again that is the goal. That's the strategy for us to get discouraged, throw our hands up and say well what's the point in and just give up and then you know we abandon the complete public square to those who are trying to force us out. So you mean the showing up every day and you know financing it anyway even if it's at a lost one not those those become I guess revolutionary acts of resistance if you want to romanticize it. But I'm just I'm literally just a guy, you know, in a spare bedroom that's doubling as an office, you know, just trying to share my take on the world.
Not necessarily trying to convince anyone, but you know, or convert anyone, but just sharing my opinion. Hopefully, you know, having some intelligent exchanges with people that either shared or people that disagree, but still intelligent exchanges because, you know, when you have an intelligent exchange with someone with whom you disagree, you can learn a few things. Um, you know, or or see where you have a blind spot or, you know, realize that there's a a hole in your argument and then work to shore it up, you know, and it makes you better, you know, if you don't look at it as like, you know, somebody not sharing the same opinion you as a threat. So long as they come correct and politely, of course, you know, you don't you're not supposed to tolerate abuse.
Um, that's not a threat, it's a gift, right? It's an opportunity to test what it is you believe. And if you have you're having a good exchange, the person will also test why it is you believe what you believe. It's important to not only know what you believe, but why you believe it. That's how you can defend your beliefs. But that's also you can when you come across a new piece of information uh that's you know you can verify and doesn't fit in with the why you believe things you decide to take that piece of information in and slightly alter what you believe so to bring that in and fit it in and still be know consistent with reality rather than remaining consistent with your original belief. Being challenged is a gift. Confrontation is not necessarily a bad thing.
Right? If I want one thing and you want one thing and we both can't have what we want, well then we compromise and hey, maybe we even create a new thing that's even better. Right? It's not necessarily bad, right? There's a lot of people that are afraid of that stuff. I mean, I don't suffer fools lightly and I don't like it when people waste my time and I'm very very able to end conversations like this is clearly not going to be serious exchange or sorry, it appears you wish to monologue and not actually have a conversation. I will let you I will let you do that and you enjoy that and I'll go do my my thing somewhere else. Actually try to have an exchange with someone. But if our plat if the platforms that we're supposed to be using to communicate with each other are not actually allowing us to communicate at one point you wonder what the point is. So, you know, I said trying to share information, you know, trying to promote some discussion, trying to create a little bit of community, um, particularly online where things are negative, trying to create a little bit of toxicity, trying to have a little fun along the way, a little sass, that kind of stuff. But, you know, just not on a mission to go out there and change the world, right? It's like I'm I'm This show should not be a threat to anyone.
It's like 30,000 followers on YouTube. We're not we're not about to change policy here, right? So, I'm we're take the country in a wild direction uh that uh a lot of powerful people don't want to go in. We just do not have that power. So, I'm I'm very confused.
I'm very confused by all that's going on. And I am I am disconcerted. Uh I am a little angry because um I get a lot out of this too, right? It's not it's not just given. I get a lot out of this. I mean, you know, it's I joke, but I mean, it's not a joke because you're like my my my orange juice, you know, with with breakfast, you know, my my daily vitamin C, my you know, my 13 essential vitamins and nutrients that I need to get through the day, you know, and uh um it just feels like this whatever this is wants to come in to even the tiniest communities to disrupt them. And I just I just don't understand why why we just can't live and let live, you know. Um, you know, if people come come to this show and don't like what they hear and don't like what they see, they're free to leave. We're not, you know, we're not for you. We're not going to think any less of you. It's just we're not for you. There's I just don't understand the reason when people come in and see that see something and see something is not for them. uh that to feel the need to campaign uh that nobody else can have it either.
It's like the worldwide web is massive.
There's room for literally everyone.
Literally absolutely everything of the darkest, nastiest, most vile things are on there for people who wish to seek them out. And not exactly my cup of tea, but it's out there.
There's like literally no need to want to shut someone down. you can find someone if you want an echo chamber.
It's not like they're hard to find on the web and in communications these days. So, it's u yeah, it's um I will admit uh since about April 15th, some days have been harder than others, right? because it's the same amount of work for us, you know, and when we see things, you know, again, not tons of views, but when we see shows that used to get like 700, 800 views, you know, after a couple of days, and we see other shows that they're up for 2 weeks and, you know, they've barely cracked 200.
It just like I said, it just kind of kills your motivation and your momentum a little bit because you know, here you are, you think you've got a little good thing going and that you're growing and then somebody just says, "Nope, that's it." And then it's like, how do you you don't even know what the rules of the game are. So, how do you figure out what to do, you know, to to to try and make your way? So, uh yeah. Uh however this thing is going to last uh is however the thing is going to last. I'm um put my head down and you know continue on and try to do my best. But um this this is not fun.
the the part trying to figure out how to just remain in contact with the the people uh that I have uh already established a connection with. Um you know, if the limit was that you can't get anybody new, that would be terrible. Uh but at least I'd have what I have and I could keep at least talking to the people that I have. But there there's this is so insidious that it's even uh going after that as well. So um so yeah that my my mental health is like I said trying to remain positive today but um I'm feel um feeling today like needless weight has been unnecessarily put on my shoulders and without my consent.
So, um yeah, that's I guess that's the mood uh today. Um yeah, it's it's not a good feeling.
God, I think I'm on the verge of crying.
Oh my god. No, no, no, no. That's not what I was going for. Um my god.
Yeah, I think you know what I think it is. I think it is a a frust. Yeah, you know what? I think you are right, Kitten Nona Carol. Uh, if I were to cry, I think it would just be It's not like the sadness. I think would just be this frustration cry that that happens to us sometimes where we just we're just crying in this life.
It's like, why the hell am I crying? And it's just so frustrated that that's how it comes out on any given day. But yeah, it's um I said it's it is discouraging and it does act as a blow and some days it takes the wind out of me. Um but I am a stubborn son.
I am a very very stubborn person. And so it's going to take a lot to break me. Uh even though um I do I feel the hits and every now and then need to stop and go ouch.
So but yeah uh get sassy. Have you considered an email newsletter once a month to remain connected and remind people you have episodes? Uh that might again these are all good ideas. uh trying uh to figure out of course as you know with the changes that we've had with Mr. Grizzly I'm it's much more of a oneperson operation uh than it was which is also um a little difficult as well. Uh there was enough work when there were when there were two of us. Now that it's pretty much all me it's a it's I've um again a little overwhelmed um and you know uh trying to make everything happen when there are obviously things falling through the cracks and I can't I can't do it all. So uh you know trying to figure out which which choices I should make and what I should let go and you know all in the all in the strategy part that's also um very uh difficult said there there's a lot going on. I won't lie kids and cubs there's um there's a lot going on.
Um here we have um K-pop mom. Many independent podcasters in the US are facing the same issues. Their feeds are getting suppressed. We will always stand behind you guys and hype as much as possible. Thank you Kit K-pop mom. And that's a new name I hadn't noticed yet in the chat. So uh thank you so much for joining us again. Um uh remember the it's share the content now. We we each the audience have to help become the network. So just again on your social share share share share share uh get the content in front of new eyeballs and uh of course on the the YouTube thing that please click uh the the bell and all so that you can get the notifications and uh hopefully at least we'll uh still be able to keep being in touch. But yes, it's uh it's something and please don't be sorry. Thank you, kid. Cassie, sorry, Douglas. I still try to catch your podcast, but early clinic shifts don't allow me to watch live.
That that that's Listen, that's okay. I know I know that you are doing your bit because, you know, I've seen it. I mean, we would not have grown to where we have if it wasn't for that. So, I mean, I I'm very uh very aware and I I I I thank you and thanking you for the love here. Um you guys are amazing and wonderful as always. Uh just um you know like I said you know usually I'm Chipper and you know when I ask how's how's your mental health and mine is usually good and I'm just today and over the past few weeks really but uh but today I'm feeling it.
Um I'm just you know when I when I got that message again and was like you know it was like you've reached your daily limit and was a new message and like yet another new rule change and it's just like throwing my hands up and just like what the right was that that was the mood coming in uh to this. So I didn't have time to uh take a breath and switch over. So uh thank you for listening. Uh thank you for understanding. Uh I know that you are aware of what's going on.
Uh but every now and then you just got to quietly and calmly speak the truth and just name what's going on.
Speaking of that, we've had a certain number of people doing that lately. Um yesterday we spoke of um Premier Bob Canoe who quietly and calmly which made it extremely loud and gave it a lot of weight which is ironic but uh quietly and calmly um stated the truth that Danielle Smith was incorrect and again the specific specific statement was we I think we know that that's not correct implying that Danielle Smith girl you lying I know you're lying you know you're lying we talked about this several times there is no reason for you to be pretending that you are confused about this anymore more. And yet, despite the fact that we've talked about it, here you are at the table with me sitting here and you still lying.
So, I am going to interrupt this pattern because uh we need more pattern interruptors nowadays because the media was just going to allow her to stay that line, move on to the next question. So, Mr. Canoe came in and interrupted the pattern of letting people spew absolute and utter be BS and things that are untrue and call them out on that. Teaching us all how to do it calmly and with class yet firmly.
Teaching journalists, hey journalists, is it not your responsibility to get to the truth and to know what the truth is?
And when you have someone obviously BSing you or gaslighting you, just calmly uh picking up the mic and say, "I'm sorry, that's not going to work here. We both know that's not true.
Here's what the truth is. Would you like a second chance at answering the question now?"
Um, so we saw Premier Cano do it. Uh, there there's another person in the United States that recently uh did this.
Um, a gentle >> Whoops, sorry. Uh, things just started on their own. Uh, there's a uh journalist in the United States.
um whose last name is uh Campos I believe. I'm not sure what his first name is. Oh, student journalist. Uh okay.
um whose name is Santiago Campos uh who received a scholarship uh and he received a scholarship. It's $10,000 scholarship um in the name of Mike Wallace uh journalist that was made uh who became very very known uh for his role on 60 minutes in particular. Um and this was during the news Emmys. I didn't even know that there were news Emmy awards but there are. And uh one of the things now I don't know where all of you have gone all of a sudden. I don't even know if I'm still airing live.
That is very weird. Okay, kids and cubs.
I am sorry. Uh I do not see anything anymore. So let's see if I am even still on Yes, I am. Okay. Uh the the whole just disappeared. So okay, I'm at least I'm still on screen. Um, so he received uh this award, $10,000 scholarship, and uh got on stage and uh decided uh to share a few words.
So uh and that was Scott Py. So um first and foremost, I want to thank the Natis Foundation for this award. I want to thank my friends, family, and my teacher, Ashley Porter. Uh, she and my mom are in the room tonight.
Uh, I want to thank them for the for the resources and the support that I wouldn't be here without.
And while I want to thank CBS News for funding this generous gift towards my education, I want to also acknowledge how the recent direction of the outlet stains the legacy of Mike Wallace, the namesake of this scholarship.
As corporate elites take hold, as corporate elites take hold over the very pipes through which our information flows, journalism that serves the people becomes increasingly harder to come by, yet ever more crucial. And what the people want is the truth.
So, if at any time you hesitate to utter the word genocide or remain silent in the face of blatant lies, remember to ask yourself, who is this for? I hope you choose us. Thank you.
Me and that was Scott Py.
>> So, there you go. Kids and cubs again, quietly and calmly speaking truth.
and this award that bears his name.
CBS, what the hell are you doing, right?
Um, again, not a seasoned veteran, a senior still studying already knows to calmly speak truth to power.
Uh, another person who uh did that yesterday was uh Mr. Steven Gibbo who did announce uh that he would be stepping down uh from uh politics eventually.
uh it would he will not be sitting as an independent uh for now. He's going to remain uh sitting with the party. Um but he will be uh he he will definitely be leaving.
Uh that Yelp you heard uh of joy and pleasure was probably Danielle Smith popping some champagne uh somewhere.
uh in Alberta um because um well she despises the man.
At least she performs uh that she despises uh the man and uh has had very uh a positive word uh to say about him uh ever.
In fact, she loves to uh scapegoat him as the source of all the problems. Uh but I mean that is Daniel Smith, of course. Uh and um she well you know she does not exist uh unless she is punching down on someone. Uh so that part is not exactly surprising. Um, but the fact is is despite everything that uh Danielle Smith uh has to say uh with regard to him, it's um there is no doubt whatsoever that um uh he was someone that was absolutely and totally dedicated ated to the cause. Uh has shown it um in his well pretty much everything that he has done.
Um he has been in the fight for decades. I mean he's been willing uh to put his body in the game.
uh he's been willing to get arrested uh for his beliefs.
um as he noted in his um you put it uh noticed uh how would you put oh god he was in his statements to the house um you know he noted that uh he was an attendee at the very first COP conference that took place in Berlin, COP 1. Uh so can't remember what COP stands for, uh in the environment, the coalition of parties, I think it is conference of the parties. Um so he's been in this fight from the get-go. I mean there is no doubting his dedication. And there's no doubting his knowledge.
Um, Daniel Smith uh at that awkward press conference that we were uh showing yesterday was asked about it, about his departure. And um somebody must have talked to her uh because um she was unar uncharacteristically um not loquacious.
>> My followup will be with for Daniel Smith. According to some information from Radio Canada, Steven Gilbo is set to live politics soon. I would like to have your reaction on that.
>> I wish him well in his future endeavors.
Thank you.
>> Thank you.
Well, at least the words coming out of her mouth were polite.
I I guess that's one of those um reminds me of a an old joke. It's a I think it's a Betty Davis joke. It's okay.
>> My mother always told me not to speak ill of the dead. John Crawford is dead.
Good.
Right. Um, one of those I wish him well. You know, um, points for restraint, I guess.
Um but uh obviously uh that restraint uh was far from uh universal because uh we had Andrew Shear. Uh and again um whenever I think of Andrew Shear now I cannot think of anything else than what uh Bruce Anderson uh I'm not sure if he's still a pollster uh had to say and has to say about him when he appears on the bridge with Peter Vansbridge and it's a putting Andrew Shear out there is the single biggest mistake that Pepev makes every single day.
chef's kiss. Um, Andrew Shear yesterday because, you know, u given how uh warm and uh and um allegedly devout he is. Uh well, Gavis, uh if we asked Andrew Shear, what would Jesus do on the day that you find that someone you consider to be political opponent has announced that they're retiring or that they will be retiring, but they haven't left the house yet and they won't leave for some time yet. Um, apparently Andrew Shear believes that this is the appropriate way uh to mark that type of event.
Um, probably not going to be extremely clear here. I'm trying to put it up.
Let's see if I can make it a little larger. And what that looks like for you here. That's a little better. Steven Gibo announced his retirement today.
While I have a certain level of respect for anyone who puts their name on the ballot. Oh, gee. uh make the bar so low.
I could never respect the damaging policies he imposed on Canadians. The good news for Gibbo's legacy is bad news for Canadians. Here's why. Carney is keeping Gibo's no more pipeline bill on the books. Carney is keeping the industrial carbon tax and hiking it.
Carney is keeping the radical EV mandate, making almost all gas and diesel cars illegal by 2040. Carney is keeping the West Coast shipping ban blocking Canadian energy exports. Carney is keeping the net zero policies in place. In his book called Values, Carney supported all of Gibo's radical policies to leave oil and gas in the ground. So as Gibbo leaves Ottawa, he could take personal comfort knowing that Carney is keeping all the anti-development high energy cost policies in place.
The guy hasn't even left the legislature yet.
The body hasn't even starting to got cold. The body isn't even dead yet.
and Andrew Shear shoving knives in it.
And of course, lies. Yeah, Steven Gizbo is leaving Ottawa because Carney is keeping all the allegedly anti-development high energy cost policies in place.
Remind us it's just it's like this is not not serious. Clearly not a serious comment.
So, uh, Steven Gbo of course um, leaving with class and, uh, conservatives showing us how to be an ass.
Just incapable to be gracious, incapable.
Not only just incapable, let's be honest, not even making a fig leaf of an attempt like Daniel Smith did.
Just nasty, toxic, negative all the damn time.
Um now a lot of this comes on the news uh that had uh been issued I think it was late last week that there was a letter circulated uh or not maybe not circulated but a letter that was sent to the prime minister um from 14 Liberal MPs um expressing concern that uh the MP uh that the prime minister would be backsliding on the environment. 6 days ago, Valeri Gamash of CBC News wrote, "Liberal MP Steven Gibbore may be the most outspoken, but he's not the only member of his party unhappy with Prime Minister Mark Carney's environmental rollbacks.
Carney signed a new agreement with Alberta Premier Danielle Smith last week. Uh, again, this slow more than last week, but last week at the time the article was written, uh, that could see an oil pipeline to the West Coast start as early as September 2027. It also includes a plan to increase Alberta's industrial carbon price, though at a slower pace than previously projected.
14 Liberal MPs sent a letter to the prime minister at the end of April before the agreement with the Alberta government was even signed to offer some recommendations, but to also express their unease with the situation. Despite signing their names at the bottom of the letter, the MPs do not want to be publicly identified, stating that their approach is intended to be constructive and respectful. Quote, "We remain deeply concerned that government's credibility will be seriously compromised," said the signatories of the letter which was obtained by Canada. So again, disagreement, but not dissent. The approach is intended to be constructive and respectful, not to blow everything up. The 14 MPs come from across the country, including Quebec and British Columbia. Specifically, in response to the concessions being granted to Alberta, the elected officials reiterated the importance of quote supporting the clean electricity regulations and more generally, they emphasized that climate change remains the greatest threat of our time. At the time of writing, the prime minister's office had not responded to a request for comment. The BLK was aiming to use the few remaining weeks of the parliamentary sitting before the summer recess to convince Liberals who are sensitive to climate issues to speak out. quote, "We will use all the parliamentary tools at our disposal to make the voices of those who haven't disappeared, who remain concerned about the climate crisis heard," BL MP Patrick Bonet said in a French interview. So far, only Gibbore, who has left Carney's cabinet after the initial Carne and Smith side last fall, has publicly voiced his criticism of Carney's most recent proposals to weaken environmental regulations in order to attract an investor for a potential pipeline in Alberta. But Bonet says he hopes more liberals come forward publicly. quote, "We obviously hope that there are people within the Liberals who will stand up and say, "No, you were not elected on a platform that is essentially the agenda of the oil and gas companies which is currently being implemented." The Block environment critic said. So on that front, um, Gibbo uh mentioned yesterday uh that he does believe uh that Canada is backsliding on this. This according to David Thurton of CBC ex- environment minister Steven Gibo says Canada is backsliding on climate action as he announced Wednesday that he's leaving his job as MP. In a candid interview with CBC's Power and Politics, Gibo elaborated on why he decided to leave, how the Alberta Energy deal impacted his decision, and why it could further fan the flames of separation in Quebec. KBO told host David Cochran that he started thinking about leaving politics after Prime Minister Mark Carney and Alberta Premier Daniel Smith inked a major energy accord and a commitment to advance the West Coast pipeline late last year. At the time he took the drastic step of resigning from cabinet but remained in the Liberal caucus.
Gibbo stuck with the party he said because he wanted to see if the Alberta memorandum of understanding could be salvaged and if he could make change outside cabinet and inside the caucus.
Reflecting on those six months sitting on the Liberal backbenches, Gibo said he was able to influence several initiatives. He cited the Carne government's enhanced nature strategy and the $5.3 billion commitment to international climate financial assistance at a time when other wealthy countries were backing away from the policy. But he said the continuing Alberta energy negotiations did not sit well with him and that he wasn't alone in that sentiment. On Wednesday, Gibo told his party and the Montreal constituents that he's resigning as an MP because he intends to take his fight for the environment outside of government. Quote, "This decision is the result of careful consideration," he said in a social media post. After almost 7 years as a member of parliament and minister, I have come to the conclusion that it's time for me to pursue my fight for environmental protection and the fight against climate change in a different way. Kibo delivered the news to fellow Liberal MPs as they gathered for their weekly parliamentary caucus meeting. He will remain a Liberal MP until the House of Commons rises for the summer, but delivered what could be his last major speech in the House on Wednesday afternoon. His voice was breaking as he shared his gratitude for his children, family, staff, constituents, and volunteers whom he said made his work possible. Quote, "You gave me far more than I can ever give back," he said.
Kibbo said Canada will be lucky to slash its emissions by 15% below 2005 levels by 2030 under its current policies. He said that through the negotiations with Alberta, the federal government relinquished one of the strongest tools it has to fight climate change, industrial carbon pricing. uh which uh again it was originally a conservative idea just like industrial carbon pricing was a conservative idea and it was a conservative idea small C conservative and not a it was also a conservative upper C idea but uh small conservative in that it requires minimal bureaucracy and it allows the purchaser to make the choice of how much they want to spend on carbon because they have the option of making other choices It's simple. It's straightforward.
Doesn't involve a lot of bureaucracy and allows people to make choices about their own money.
But the liberals brought it in. So now the Conservatives hate it and they destroyed it. So again, when I keep on saying that there's nothing genuinely or authentically conservative about the Conservative Party of Canada anymore, that these are examples of it, right?
again when they started to smear the Aakhan and David Johnston and even Mark Carney at the beginning when all of these people were people that they elevated right being a conservative capital C uh today in 2026 particularly if you're in the actual party means that there is nobody uh that you have approved of before that you are not willing to throw under the bus today.
Quote, "With last week's agreement with Alberta, we postponed by 10 years the level of ambition we had for industrial carbon pricing." Gibo said, "When he was environment minister, Gibo renegotiated a new carbon pricing system in Alberta, but Smith never implemented it. Quote, I'm skeptical. I'm skeptical that she will this time around. She has not proven to be a reliable partner on these issues," he said. And again, he said that so calmly and plainly that the impact of it hit because we know she's not a reliable partner on these issues. You know, she's going to sit there and go, "I can't believe that he said that." No, no, really? Because the separatists right now uh are trying to get you turfed out of your position even though you've bent over backwards for them because they feel they feel that you weren't a reliable partner to them.
The people who allegedly got you the job that you have and for whom you are willing to torch Canada now think that you are an unreliable partner. So please do not pretend to get offended that Steven Harper, Steven Harper, Steven Gabul stated that which um the people you're bending over backward for are also stating.
I mean come on, she's not a reliable partner.
Before the interview with Power and Politics wrapped up, Gibo laid into the argument the Alberta deal was necessary to dampen growing sentiments that the province should leave Canada. Quote, "What we are doing right now is we are rewarding bad behavior." He said, "I am hoping that what we are doing in Alberta won't have some effect to encourage separatist movement in Quebec." Hibo added, "This is something that the federal government should keep in mind."
Prime Minister Carney thanked KBO for his contributions, listing his efforts to protect the environment and other accomplishments while in government.
Quote, he helped establish the 2022 Kming Montreal global biodiversity framework to protect 30% of Canada's lands and waters, implemented Canada's first emissions reduction plan, and championed landmark efforts to protect Canadian culture and identity, including establishing the National Day for Truth and Reconciliation, Carney said in a statement. Liberals over the last 24 hours acknowledged how much of a loss the departure was. Quote, "I would be sad to see him go," said Haimey Batist, a Nova Scotia Liberal MP. But Batist and other MPs brushed aside questions about whether Wednesday's exit was a sign that the Liberal tent could no longer accommodate climate activists like Ebo.
Quote, I don't believe that is the case.
I believe you have the ability to walk into that caucus go to the mic and speak about anything. He said, I would reject any premise that Gibo doesn't have the ability to be heard. The Liberals under Carney have repealed the consumer carbon tax, eliminated the EV sales mandate that Andrew Shear uh just said in his tweet still exists. Single the end of the oil and gas emissions cap and reversed the liberal promise to end fossil fuel subsidies, which they never acted on, of course, as I mentioned before. Take all of this together and you'll see a constant effort to roll back environmental protections and climate action, said Green Party leader Elizabeth May, who was referring to the recent proposed changes to environmental reviews. No wonder Steven Gibo is leaving this place. I am I am heartbroken that he is. While speaking with reporters, Carney left the door open to working with Gibo in some capacity. The prime minister also defended his government's effort to protect the environment, saying in French that Canada is protecting nature while advancing international climate finance. Yes, but what about GHGs?
Gibo is not the only Liberal who is uncomfortable with the direction Carney has taken the country's climate policies. 14 Liberal MPs penned a letter to to Carney raising concerns over what they see as an environmental backslide.
Despite signing their names at the bottom of the letter, the MPs do not want to be publicly identified. Again, stating that their approach is intended to be constructive and respectful.
Um so, um in that uh conversation that Mr. Gibo had um I'm not sure if it was uh if the one I saw uh was with uh yes it was with power and politics. I wasn't sure if it was power and politics or um uh CTV's power play but it was the power and politics one. Um I'm going to have his uh exchange uh with uh David Cochran here.
Um because um well not I guess maybe not the entirety of the exchange. I don't know if I should show the whole one because there's this intervention in the House of Commons uh that I would also like to show and I don't want to be the show to be only about this. Um he did mention certain things that were very uh interesting.
One of them had to do indeed with that deal with Daniel um where uh he says this here. Hopefully I find the time stamp should be right about here. Uh this is something I did not know. I learned uh yesterday uh by watching uh this uh clip, but apparently there was an agreement that he had struck with Danielle Smith along the way. She had said yes to this.
Daniel Smith would probably never admit this publicly, but when I was environment minister, I negotiated with her, renegotiated with her a more stringent carbon pricing system in Alberta. she never implemented it and we came to that we started seeing that in in late 2024. I I'm I'm skeptic um that that she will this time around.
She has not proven to be a very reliable partner on on on these issues uh over time. Uh in theory theou was supposed to to help with the referendum. She has decided to go ahead anyway. So, I'm I'm puzzled um why we would put so many eggs uh in in the basket of a of a premier who has not shown to to to to other provinces, frankly, and and the federal government and Canadians that she can be a reliable partner.
>> What do you make? So um once again calmly speaking truth.
Daniel Smith is not a reliable partner.
we had a deal and in an agreement and when it came time to implement it, she didn't um I mean you can't get any more clear than that. Um Markhamm Histle also of Energy Medic media energy media uh made a comment similar to that about Daniel Smith um which uh I'm not sure uh I mean how would I put it? Uh I have it's available on YouTube. I'm not sure that I would be able to locate it on the fly because just hearing this statement from Gibbo actually made me think of it right now. So, I hadn't prepared it uh beforehand. Uh but he has a post uh on his uh on his feed uh that talks about Danielle Smith specifically uh when it comes to theou and behaviors that um she put that she engaged in behaviors that she engaged um soon after it was made. So she signed this thing and uh she made um agreement. She gave her word and then uh she immediately uh started to reneg uh on it. Um let's see. Uh part of the things was about uh the the carbon uh the carbon markets that uh she said uh you know the prime minister is trying to uh shore up at the moment by making sure that there is a basement price. Not a basement.
Yeah. A minimum price that is going to uh take place because uh that's one of these things that are supposed to be um embedded in this, right? The no pathways, no pipeline, no pipeline, no pathways.
We were being told about that. But the way that this deal is structured, um, the pipeline will get the okay to start being built before pathways is the thing.
So what guarantee is there that the pathways thing will actually actually ever happen if the pipeline is built and ready to be operational before the pathways project is complete?
Then what guarantee is there for those of us uh who really care about climate that um the pathways thing is ever going to happen? What stops Danielle Smith from saying you know want an ice cream psych on that? And that part is a little um confusing for us. So hopefully um I'm able to find a I I I found the video that I'm looking for. Not sure that I found the section yet in it where Mr. Hislop speaks about that. But yes, um Daniel Smith not a reliable partner and the fact that she called the referendum, thus torching the agreement has not at all um is not at all the only time in this thing that she has shown that she is not a reliable partner in any way, shape or form.
And that's not good for us. Uh and it again leads us back to what it is that we are saying and what we believe that Daniel Smith uh just like Trump um is has only one loyalty and that is to herself first and foremost.
And if you look at the things that she says over time in the context of someone that is only loyal to themselves, um, a lot of the things that she does actually start to make sense.
So, um I think uh I have uh the part here u that is relevant to how duplicitous Danielle has been on the pipeline. Uh here's Markhamm Hislup uh from Energy Media uh talking about the ways uh that as soon as she put her signature on it, Danielle Smith then started to try to undermine the agreement.
>> Could government still force this project into existence? Absolutely. The Trudeau government effectively nationalized TMX after American pipeline company Kinder Morgan walked away. So there is clearly precedent for another publiclybacked pipeline. But that raises an uncomfortable question. If private capital doesn't want the project, why should taxpayers? And that question becomes even more important once you look at the sa second major pillar of this political bargain, the pathways carbon capture project. This is where the story gets really interesting because buried inside the agreements between Ottawa and Alberta is an extraordinary condition.
The pipeline and the Pathways carbon capture project are supposed to be mutually dependent. No pathways project, no pipeline. That's the political trade.
Ottawa gets emissions reductions.
Alberta gets export infrastructure. At least in theory. But there's a major problem. The economics and performance of large-scale carbon capture remain deeply uncertain. Around the world, carbon capture projects have consistently struggled with cost overruns, underperformance, and deployment challenges, and the pathways proposal itself is staggeringly expensive.
Initial estimates suggest suggested roughly $75 billion in total decarbonization costs with governments potentially covering something like 50 billion through subsidies, tax credits, royalty incentives, and other carbon contracts for difference. That is an enormous public commitment, especially when the emissions math itself remains questionable. Because even if Pathways reduces oil sands emissions by roughly 16 megat tons annually, expanding production by more than a million barrels per day could overwhelm much of that reduction, if not all of it. In other words, Canada would spend tens of billions of dollars subsidizing carbon capture while still increasing absolute emissions overall.
Now, politically, Carney and Smith both need this bargain to work. too much political capital is invested, which is why I suspect the rules may eventually change. And you can already see the narrative beginning to shift. Some industry voices are now quietly floating a different idea. Forget the carbon capture project altogether and redirect the subsidies toward pipeline construction itself.
Honestly, that wouldn't surprise me at all because the underlying objective increasingly appears to be transferring as much infrastructure risk as possible from private industry onto taxpayers.
Then there's British Columbia. This issue is far from resolved. The federal oil tanker moratorium act still effectively blocks large crude tankers from operating on BC's northern coast.
That matters because Prince Rupert is widely viewed as the commercially attractive export route to Asia. Shorter shipping distances, better economics, better access to Pacific markets. But BC Premier David Eie continues to support the tanker ban. And if that position holds, the northern route could become politically impossible. That leaves alternatives like Kitamat or southern BC routes. But those roots reopen many of the same environmental, indigenous rights and political battles that turn TMX into a decadel long nightmare. And again, investors know this, which brings us to what I think is the biggest issue of all, Asian demand. Because this entire strategy depends on one massive assumption, that Asian countries will continue dramatically increasing oil imports for decades into the future.
All right. Um, obviously uh not the clip that I thought it was that was a talking to uh talking about how it is uh she uh undermined uh the pathways thing. Uh so it must have been uh another year uh but on uh that point uh of future demand um Mr. is making the case uh that that not that might not be there. There may not be a business case for oil. And this is uh not for bitchmen and this is one of the things uh that the conservatives keep on coming back to uh over and over again.
Still, even conservatives uh that have had their faces eaten by the leopard uh the face eating leopards party um still they do that. Uh, I had a little bit of an exchange uh yesterday uh with Aaron Oul actually uh on our uh on our platform yesterday.
uh where you know he was basically saying um oh look at this based on the the announcement that um Germany was was stating that um we could um how would you put it uh that that we we have an opportunity uh to sell some LNG uh to them that they would take up some of the room uh on a pipeline that was uh that is being planned. And he goes, "But Trudeau said there was no business case. This is very good news.
The sad reality is that GNL Quebec was a tailor made for this deal, but a lack of vision in Ottawa and Quebec City set us back a decade. Uh it would appear that u the deal that we uh struck with Germany uh is so impressive uh that it even caught the attention of the New York Times uh because uh Mr. UL uh was citing uh an article uh from the New York Times in his thing. Now, yes, he is talking about GNL, which is supposed to be uh the LNG pipeline uh that was going to bring uh liquid proposed to bring liqufied natural gas uh through Quebec.
Uh but his point here is that there was a this was killed because of a lack of vision in Ottawa and Quebec City. Now, of course, Mr. Ul is commenting about statements made at the time applying to the situation today. I said you know at the time statements are made in their time. Global geopolitics have changed a lot since GNL was proposed.
Taking comments made at one time and applying them to another is dishonest or better than that.
And when Trudeau said that there was no business case, uh, somebody made the point here that Trudeau was referring specifically to the case of East Coast LNG export and not u there being no business case for uh a pipeline in any way, shape or form.
In August 22, 2022, during a joint press conference with German Chancellor Olaf Schulz in Montreal amid Europe's energy crisis following Russia's invasion of Ukraine, Trudeau stated that there had never been a strong business case for LNG exports from Canada's east coast.
And he highlighted the challenges that the long distance to transport natural natural gas by pipeline from Western Ka to an east coast liquefaction terminal puts the high investment required and distance across the Atlantic. And apparently apparently a specific quote was that. Let's see if I can get it here. No, I have the full quote.
Uh specifically Oh, that's terrible.
Um yeah, sorry. Couldn't get the full quote. Uh but he was always supportive of the West Coast plan to which Arono Tul replied to them, "Stop. He was wrong then and you look silly. Which of course is not an intelligent response and goes, "No, Aaron, silly looking would be if my first thought when Carney sings a landmark deal is how can I swipe at Trudeau?"
Uh, in our exchange, I said, you know, taking at one time and applying them to another is dishonest.
You're better than that. Goes nothing to do with time. The demand was there before the full invasion of Ukraine.
It's more acute, but there was always a business case. If it's more acute now, then something has changed.
And I said, I respectfully disagree because everything has everything to do with time because time is not constant changes. And demand isn't the only factor that matters in making a business case. The ability to extract, to ship it, as well as the number and the state of the political competitors. All of these things fall into place. And in 2016, we have to remember that the United States began large-scale LNG LNG shipments and was the globe's biggest exporter by 2023, shipping 111 million tons of it by 2025. And that changed the game. We we arrived to a a point where we thought that uh the nation that was our big would be our biggest client ended up becoming our biggest competitor.
Now, fortunately, when we decided to get into the LG game, we did it from the West Coast, where the US had no LG presence because a lot of their stuff is around the Gulf. And why it's so much more so so much more less expensive uh to uh build pipelines over there. Well, they don't have the Rockies to cross.
The United States is now trying to get in on the West Coast with something out of Alaska, I believe. So, whatever LG business case that Mr. ederal tool claims existed for Canada in 2016 or in 2014. But let's say in 2016 when we were still 9 years away from our first shipment to Asia and shareholder approval for LG Canada only happened in 2018 after the Conservative government.
Uh federal approval had happened in 2014, but nothing at happened. Uh the shareholders have to give their approval before anything serious starts and that happened under Trudeau. Perhaps it wasn't as convincing. That business case wasn't as convincing as it is now because times have changed. To which Otto, I spoke with ambassadors from Europe on these issues in 2014. These energy securities were well known.
Yeah.
And with all due respect, I'm having a hard time believing that in 2014 it was well known that in 2026 we'd have war in Ukraine, sanctioned Russian oil, Venezuela taken over by the United States, hormone blockaded, and damage operations of the Gulf Arab states simultaneously.
Things have changed. But why stick to 2014? From 2006 to 2015 when you were in government, Mr. tool. Prime Minister Harper told us that the business case was good enough for five LG pipeline projects, five of them.
Um, and of those five, not many uh got through. We had LNG Canada which that's the one that exists now.
Kinamat BC joint venture green lit by the Harper government in 2015 near the end of uh 10 years of telling us uh that there was a business case of that with legally binding environmental conditions the largest of the projects that were proposed and it's actively in its operational phase now.
But there was the Pacific Northwest NL LNG that was supposed to go for Port Edward, BC that was backed by Malaysia's Petronus. It received an export license in 2014 from Harper, a federal environmental approval in 26. But the proponents ultimately canceled the project due to market conditions to due to market conditions. But Aaron Oon and the conservatives want us to believe now that there was always a business case. The wood fiber LG that was supposed to leave out of Squamish BC that was driven by Pacific Energy. It received its federal approval in 2014 and is currently under construction.
There was another Kamat LLG uh from this one out of Bish Cove, British Columbia, which was co-owned by Chevron and Apache Canada, later taken over by Woodside.
Facility obtained its long-term export license in 2013. It was placed on indefinite hold and the site is currently being marketed for other potential developers.
WCC LNG Princia, another Petronis back proposal. project was issued an export license by the Harper government but was subsequently shelved.
So uh if that business case was so great uh back in the time that um erot was in government government but only one of them is actually complete now with another one under construction.
Um, does this indicate that the Harper government also suffered from a serious lack of vision because they too couldn't get it done at least under the Trudeau area. Uh, again, the LG project itself, LG Canada project was indeed completed. The shareholder permit was got was received in 2018. apparently uh we're supposed to believe that Trudeau so destroyed uh the climate for investment that uh two years after him being in power, shareholders agreed that LG Canada was still a good idea and he got the first BMIN pipeline to the west coast since the days of Louis Salaron built.
conservatives will literally say anything.
So, um it's to Mr. Oul's credit that he had a position of privilege that allowed him to speak to ambassadors from Europe on these issues in 2014. But the fact that he spoke to them and that they say that these energy security issues were well known then doesn't negate the reality that the geopolitical situation in 2016 is radically different than it was in 2014 or even in 2006 when he became when he was part of government.
They just they just say anything and any opportunity. It's an opportunity to take a swipe and I believe uh that uh Mr. Oul is better than this. Uh and I said so and somebody said no he's not. And I said no yes he is. That's why I'm engaging him and I'm kind of disappointed in this comment because I know he's better than this. I believe him to be better than this.
And then there was another point somewhere along the way where somebody posted a meme and uh Mr. uh Oul uh said something like, you know, memes are a white flag surrender for people who have nothing to say, which of again is not always true.
Sometimes they are just a clever and amusing way to make a very valid observation. Like all things uh whether one is doing something while waving the white flag of surrender on a serious exchange is the use one makes of them.
So uh Aaron Oul um unfort and and I distinctly remember a time where Aaron Oul uh was uh the subject or the star the co-star along with a portaotty of a rather infamous meme of his own uh that really did not contribute anything positive to the public discourse in any way and made him look terrible. In fact, he will forever be remembered uh for that meme. So I'm guessing case of Eron Tul if he believes that memes are the last refuge of people who are waving the white flag of surrender on a serious exchange. Well, um I'm guessing uh he was writing what he knows, right? Um but yeah, again just a lack of class.
a lack of class.
We signed a deal. We signed a great deal. We signed a deal at a very key moment. And the conservative response is see if you can sign this deal then all the other deals that were never signed.
There was a business case for those too.
It's all your fault. Lack of vision.
Trudeau. Trudeau. Trudeau. They just can't quit him. See, you didn't get it done. See, these criticisms from the conservatives would have much more weight if during the decade they were in power, they would have gotten something done.
But they didn't. They got less done again. And and they still want us to believe that Alberta is radically increasing the amount of oil it produces, but that there is a production cap. uh that it is raking in money hand over fist, particularly right now uh with all that extra production. And uh somehow that just magically happened all on its own with no intervention from anyone, particularly a liberal.
I mean, if you need to keep on re-editing and re-editing and re-editing history in order to make a point, maybe you don't have one.
Um, yeah, kid Pete, I think he's confusing memes for insults. Yeah.
Indeed, good point. Uh, I think we get royalties on the Trans Mountain pipeline. Yes, I I looked into that. Uh, apparently um I think it was last year or in 2025. Yeah, 2025, I think it is. Uh, with all things counted, not only royalties, but extra tax revenue and all that kind of stuff from all that. I think Canada brought in I think $1.7 million on the royalties and an extra like five 1.7 billion sorry in an extra 5 billion so like taxes and other types of fees as the operation of that in in fact it seems that the TMX pipeline that yes you know we bought for 4.5 billion and ended up costing 34 billion to to finish it. Of course we were trying to finish it during COVID when things were particularly expensive and we had labor shortages. um that uh it's it's bringing in enough money that uh the people in charge of operating it are saying that now there is a business case uh for it not only to be picked up by a private investor but it would probably be really good if that private investor was Canadian like for example you know the teachers pensions funds in Canada pension plan and all that kind of stuff. When uh Mark Carney was talking about uh you know maybe looking at some assets uh that they could do something with uh in order to put money in that sovereign wealth fund uh that TMX pipeline could be one. I mean steady, stable, predictable revenues uh for a service that's going to be used well into the future.
That's the type of stuff that pension funds really really like.
And apparently it is generating enough money now that there actually is an interesting case to maybe keep it in Canadian hands now.
But we were told that that it would never be a good thing financially because the Liberals bought it and therefore they screwed it all up. Turns out no.
Alberta is pumping out more oil than ever before. It's making more money than ever before and it seems that it's profitable enough. I mean, it's still going to take years to recoup the investment, but that it's profitable profitable enough that it's an asset that would be attractive for a pension fund to own. Nobody was claiming that when they were nailing the then prime minister to the cross for having gone forward with that.
Now, there was a lot to criticize on the environment side and the climate side, but I'm just talking about the sheer business case side that it was going to be a waste of money. Turns out it wasn't.
So, uh, like I said, just very odd behavior all around from conservatives.
Even when they are getting what they want, even when they're getting what they want, they're not happy.
Now uh Mr. Kibbo uh mentioned certain things uh as I mentioned in the article uh that um he did and that he was happy about. Um he said I had worked on sorry uh he said certainly the nature strategy which ended up landing very well we had and was very close to what I had worked on before leaving the nature portfolio in November 2025 people may not have seen it but in the spring economic statement Canada announced its renewal of its support for what's called the international climate finance under the Paris agreement and OECD countries providing support for countries in the south Britain had cut theirs by 25% France by 40% and the United States by about 100 Canada increased s a little bit.
So, uh there are good things um that the prime minister did according to him that he he likes. Uh but uh he said, you know, um I was very disappointed uh with what was in theou given the things that he and Prime Minister Trudeau had worked uh very hard uh to achieve. Um now um David Cochran uh brings up a point that is often made stating that uh you know it was looking like the climate goals would not be achieved and um Mr. Um, Gibbo respectfully disagrees with how to put it, uh, the amount of uh, when you set a target, they say, I'm going to do this 100 times, and you only do it about 25 times. Okay, that's one thing. Uh, if you say you're going to achieve this 100% of the time and you achieve it 98% of the time, well, you didn't achieve your goal, but 98 is really not that far off 100.
So, you can focus on meet.
Yeah. But they gave it a really valiant shot. They put everything that they had behind it. They never wavered.
And they got as far as they could. and as far as they could was this.
That's they reached for the stars and landed on the moon as the expression goes, right? Um some people will choose to you didn't meet it, therefore it's binary, you're an object failure. And other people will say, well, you know, you didn't meet it, but my god, it's like for all intents and purposes, you did.
So was that that it that the signals from theou was that your ability to have the influence you wanted to have? It was a pretty final answer that maybe it wouldn't be there.
>> I think it it's um a respectful disagreement with with with the prime minister and and and and the government on how to approach climate change. I've heard some people say that we had a a plan on paper before. I respectfully disagree with that. Um, an independent analysis by the the climate institute, the Canadian climate institute in at the end of 2024 said that we were tracking to be at 90 minus 36% in 2030 where we were supposed to be at minus 40. So we weren't quite there but we were getting very close and and our plan was a combination of investment of fiscal measures like carbon pricing and of regulations. Um and now with the backsliding that that we've seen, um we will be lucky if we heat if we hit minus 15% by by by 2030. So we've we're still fighting climate change in Canada, but nowhere near to the same level of of intensity that uh that we did just just a year and a half ago. So the >> so here stating that you know we were having a goal of 40% reductions from whatever target date year we had we started with and that we were on track if what we had in the pipeline was allowed to go through and we got everybody's cooperation on that to get to 36% reduction. So yeah, okay, not 40, but like come on, and now with what we're doing, we'd be lucky if we hit a 15% reduction by that same target date.
That's his view of it and and he does understand the file very well. I have no reason to doubt what it is that he has to say. Um again I am noting that Prime Minister Mark Carney is embedding a lot of climate stuff in the individual projects uh that he is picking. Um but uh those projects need to be built and then we actually have to see if those things are having the climate impacts uh that they are and be able to measure them and we won't be able to get that data for years yet to come. we won't know whether or not the plan of embedding it into a embedding a climate element in everything that we do. So in order to be able to achieve you know a result down the road um if we're looking at the for example the the steel and al when they were using the regular blast furnaces they were having a GHTM impact now that they've moved to electric you know that is going to reduce uh it's going to be a permanent reduction uh you know so long as they they keep on using them and they don't go back to using um any uh blast furnaces. Uh so in that case you know given that we only have sort of one real smelter uh that is working for the entire country. Um now that both of those are in place yes we have significantly reduced uh our GHG uh emissions in the process of uh creating aluminium that could be used for industrial purposes. Uh we have done that. Um if those uh that pathways thing does come along and we are removing those 16 million tons per year um that that's the equivalent of 5 million cars, not six but five. I knew there had to be a change in the numbers. Um taken off the roads in Alberta.
Okay, that'll be great. And you know in 2035 we'll be able to say hey for a project this size we're able to reduce the carbon emissions by this percentage and you know this is one around the but but until that happens and it's still it's proven we we can't count those right. So, our main critique again from the prime minister is the fact that he hasn't actually stood up and done a a climate speech to explain the competitive climate uh policy that he's uh enacting. We're seeing little pie pieces of it. Uh and I've seen some people come to these shows and say, "Well, you know, the prime minister's explained it very well." It's like, no, no, he hasn't. He really hasn't.
He absolutely has not explained it well.
Yes. And because if he had uh given his ability uh to speak, given his ability to persuade, given his profound depth of knowledge in many of the subjects in which he speaks, particularly when it comes to financing stuff, um he would probably have the credibility to convince those 14 MPs or at least some of those 14 MPs who did sign that letter that there was some uh sufficient action going on and that's not happening. The prime minister has not has not at all yet once come to a microphone and say okay Canada and I'm getting a lot of questions this is where I'm going on climate let me show you the road map like he has done for our diversification whatot he has not done that this is not clear um but as you can see again see quietly speaking truth or at least what he believes to be the truth um to power. Not yelling, not shouting, not making wild accusations.
just plainly stating where it is he thinks we are, what's wrong, who's a reliable partner, who's not been a reliable partner, not understanding theou, not agreeing with using anou like this as a manner to try to resolve a national unity issue, not agreeing with the rewarding of bad behavior as Premier David EB has also stated.
So yeah, uh we need more of this.
We need more of this.
um in the house.
Steven Gibbo uh directed what it is that he had uh to say. Um I'm going to present it uh to you here.
Um there is a he goes back and forth between French and English a lot. there is some simultaneous interpretation. Uh so I will just uh allow that to run. Uh but this was his statement in the house with regard to um him making his departure.
A few months after I turned 25, I embarked on my first overseas trip. One that, without knowing it, would set the course of my entire life. I was heading to Berlin for what was then a little known gathering, the very first conference of parties on climate change, COP 1. History was being made and I was lucky enough to be in the room.
Like many of my peers at that time, I was setting off for the old world with just a backpack. But I wasn't there to travel around Europe. I was there to share a gym with 600 young people from around the world in what had only recently been East Berlin. And we had a shared goal to convince governments to take ambitious actions action against climate change. not only how crucial the climate and I would later discover the nature crisis are but also how important international collaboration is to find solution to these complex issues.
During the two following decades I channeled that conviction into environmental work at nonprofits defending mobilizing and creating bridges between science civil society and public policy. And that was the experience that ultimately led me to political life.
>> 2019, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau asked me to join the Liberal team to help accelerate action on climate change. When I became environment minister, my mandate included developing Canada's first comprehensive climate plan to meet our international obligations. We also developed the country's first comprehensive adaptation plan to prepare and protect Canadians from the dangers of a changing climate, changes that we can no longer avoid. And those plans were working.
These plans along with policies, regulations, and legislation were designed to ensure that Canada would do its fair share to reduce to reduce pollution and protect Canadians from the problems that we're currently seeing in communities from coast to coast to coast.
>> Before taking the final decision to run, there was one thing I asked, the ability to distance myself from the decision by the government to purchase the Trans Mountain pipeline. As an environmentalist with deep understanding of the scientific consensus on the urgency and need to rapidly reduce heat trapping gases, I had opposed a number of oil and gas projects and I had criticized the Trudeau government for moving ahead with the purchase of TMX.
>> Many of my political opponents used these positions to try to paint me as being anti-development.
And that always made me smile because throughout my career I have supported a number of development projects throughout the country, wind and solar energy projects, transit and active mobility projects, electrifying our transit system, including increasing the sales of electric vehicles and recently the highspeed rail project. I was on stage in Edmonton in 2015 when then NDP Premier Rachel Notley announced her climate leadership plan. Again, I was roundly criticized by some environmentalists for doing so, but I have always believed in collaborating with provinces within the framework of the scientific reality of climate change.
Since then, a lot has changed.
10 years ago, for every dollar invested in producing fossil fuel, there was also a dollar invested in clean and renewable technology. Today, that ratio is 2 to1 in favor of renewable energy. And last year, electric vehicles represented 23% of global sale.
>> There are many reasons that lead people to enter politics. In my case, it was a desire to pursue my quest for a better environment, for the fight against climate change, for nature protection.
These seven years, intense, demanding and deeply meaningful, have been among the most formative of my life. I have I leave proud of what we have accomplished together after seven years of serving as member for the beautiful writing of Lis Marie.
It is time now for me to find new ways to pursue my life's work.
I will be leaving my seat in this house later this summer.
I'm profoundly grateful to my children, my family, friends, staff, and constituents, as well as volunteers, many of whom have come to Ottawa today to be with us and who've made this work possible.
You gave me far more than I can ever give back.
Mr. Speaker, I won't mention the fact that some of some of them may be here in the House because you would tell me I'm not allowed to do that.
The journey that started in Berlin more than 30 years ago is not over.
It will simply continue in a new direction with the same sense of urgency and with renewed hopes.
The struggle for our planet is defining for our generation and I will continue to fight. It was the honor of a lifetime to serve my community and my country.
Thank you.
All right. So, that was his statement.
Again, classy, right? Not burning everything down on the way out, right? Take this job and shove it.
No big dramatic moment. Uh and then uh the conservatives uh are asked uh to say something. Everybody gets a chance to say something. And again, conservatives, they just can't help themselves.
This is very disappointing what you're about to see and hear here.
>> Thank you, Mr. Speaker. You know, I'm a rookie in this chamber. I'm a new member of parliament, barely having served, not even three years. But I can I can acknowledge that public service comes at a price, at a cost to your friends, your family, your loved ones. And the honorable member from Laurier St. Marie certainly has uh committed himself to this service.
>> That's where he should have stopped.
Just making it very clear. That's where he should have stopped.
But of course, they got to keep talking.
So, he kept talking.
>> We could say that he has very deep convictions. Perhaps we won't agree on anything. We probably won't agree on anything. But his deep convictions might have been taken a bit too literally by him over the years. In fact, as you may know, Mr. Speaker, the honorable member had been arrested in my writing in Lake View, scaling former Premier Ralph Klein's home and uh had been taken into custody. In a sense, he may have served more time in Calgary than I did, but let me just say um it's a complex issue, Mr. Speaker, because we know that his policies caused hardships for over a decade. his policies cause so much hardship for so many families across this country that the price that has been paid by millions of Canadians for uh his determination has been a very heartbreaking one for all Canadians to bear witness to. But rest assured that his legacy lives on with this Liberal prime minister. This prime minister has kept the tanker ban in place. This prime minister has kept the no more pipelines ban. This prime minister has kept the netzero doctrine. He has kept the EV mandate. This prime minister has made sure that his legacy of plastic lids on your coffee that in Calgary you can't use compostable bags are has been maintained. He has kept the industrial carbon tax. So, one must ask, Mr. Speaker, as I conclude the that this this me this member uh must draw some satisfaction that the Liberal Prime Minister carries on his legacy. Thank you very much.
>> Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I I think I heard somewhere a compliment in there. I think if you if you and all of us here look really hard, I think we'll find it and I will thank it. Thank you very much.
>> Again, someone decides to meet ass with class.
That was not the moment for that type of intervention from uh that CB that CPC sorry I'm breaking into a conservative speak blaming the CBC for everything by Shuoy Majun.
Not at all. Um at all at all what is expected of someone at a moment like this. Uh for an example of what is expected at a moment like this. Um ladies and gentlemen, I I I I present you unironically showing the example of what one should be doing in this case. not the alleged government in waiting uh but the representative uh for the party that has absolutely no desire to form the government ever the kebequa the the separatist party >> the honorable member for Mr. Speaker today I rise to thank the member former minister of the environment and heritage for his service I will exceptionally use his name, Stephen. On this final occasion, we've known each other for 25 years.
I knew him back when he was at Greenpeace, back when he had long hair and a longer beard and fewer white hairs.
He liked climbing buildings and placing solar panels on Premier's residences. In fact, some people even called him the Montreal Jesus.
We were both part of Quebec and Canadian and international environmental movements over a long period. We participated in many major climate conferences, the top conferences that he also participated in as minister of the environment and one of his major achievements was the Montreal biodiversity agreement.
That wouldn't have been possible without him.
And another thing that he did was the plan to fight climate change. It wasn't perfect. It wasn't ambitious enough, but it was by far the most ambitious one that we've seen in the history of this country.
We've certainly had our disagreements about how best to serve the environmental cause.
We haven't always agreed on strategy.
Sometimes I've criticized his ideas, but I've never doubted his commitment to the fight against climate change.
On behalf of myself and the I'd like to wish him all the best. I know that he will continue to fight for the environment and climate in other contexts, in other positions, and I will be very pleased to work with him once more one day. It's unfortunate to see him leaving today, but it's the consequence of unfortunate differences of opinion in Canada. He was by far the most ambitious minister of the environment in the history of this country.
He was by far the best minister of the environment that this country has ever known.
Now for Canada, that was just too much.
And yet, despite all of the disagreements, he did everything that he could. Thank you from the bottom of my heart, Stephen. Now, I think he'll have a little more free time this summer. And I've heard that if he wants to have a bit of fun, well, he can always climb the Cien Tower. He can always visit it if he wants to send a clear message to the government about climate change.
My question for him today, and we're all wondering this, if is he going to take this opportunity to give us a scoop on what his next challenge will be? the honorable member for Thank you. I'd like to sincerely thank my colleague and friend, the MP for I'd like to thank him for his kind words on his own behalf and on behalf of politics can be difficult, but it's also a field where you can accomplish a great deal.
In 2022, the UN approached us to organize the biodiversity conference in Montreal and very often that takes one or two years to organize, but we only had six months.
We had to work closely with China that was chairing that conference. Even though the diplomatic relationship at that time was limited, Mr. Trudeau, the prime minister at the time, supported by the former minister of foreign affairs, today the minister of international development both supported me in participating in that with all Canadians with with Canadians rather nonprofits, civil society organizations and many other stakeholders and we convinced 196 countries to protect 30% of the planet.
Today it's called the Paris of biodiversity.
So it is possible to do great things when you go into politics. I would invite all those who are watching today and wondering whether they should run. I would encourage everyone to go for it.
So again we are seeing from the blood of all parties how to send someone off.
Mr. Bonet outright said that Steven Gibbo as far as he concerned as far as he's concerned was the best minister of the environment we have ever had.
Um, of course, uh, Mark Garrison, the chief government whip, um, spoke about Gibbo. Um, no point in, uh, having, uh, to to show it. Not because Mr. Garrison is not worthy of being shown, but I mean, a liberal commenting about a fellow liberal, uh, who they obviously respect and have lots of affection for is clearly not the most salient of news.
Um the NDP uh MP who also spoke uh also uh was able Gordon Johns from Courtney Alburn also understood the assignment uh did uh make one or two comments that were critical overall of the government uh in terms of abandoning climate stuff uh or backsliding a little bit. Of course the NDP would make an attempt to do that. this is politics overall. Uh but the overwhelming uh majority of the statement was positive. Uh but of course uh if I'm going to present another view specifically on this topic today, it would be that of Green Party leader Elizabeth May. Um who is extremely sad uh to see Steven Gibo go. Uh would have loved for him uh to cross the floor and join the Greens uh where he certainly would have had a good home. In fact, Stephen Gibbo if he wanted to probably could have given that Miss Miss May would like to retire at some point.
She's already tried once. Um uh probably would have been even a good candidate to become the leader of the Green Party of Canada. Um, fortunately, uh, we still have Mike Morris, who had unfortunately lost, uh, his re-election bid by a very few, uh, seats. Um, a few, not a few seats. What I'm talking about, a few votes, uh, in the the last election. It was not, uh, it was a very close enough race. What was it? um uh looking for it and I can't find it off the top of my head. I'm so sorry. Um but uh he has uh is on the record uh as staying involved and intending to run again. polling is indicating that were he to run again that he would win um in in the the 2025 Canadian federal election, Kelly Ditter won the seat. Uh 34.2% of the vote to 33.6% of the vote.
So Morris just barely um lost that seat, but he would win it today. uh he's probably uh a good candidate to become the next leader of the Green Party of Canada as well. Mike Morse extremely charming, well spoken uh not the type of person uh or personality uh that turns people off uh very respected uh would definitely uh fill would be able to fill the very big shoes that Elizabeth May is leaving. And of course, Elizabeth May uh of course having a reputation for respecting uh parliament specifically and the rules of the legislature. Uh so you know uh that uh we do not need to worry one bit about how it is that she is going to show up for this occasion.
>> Questions and comments.
The honorable member for Spanish.
>> Thank you Mr. Speaker, >> I'd like to thank my colleague and dear friend, the member for Laurier.
It has been an honor to work with him for a long time. In fact, we've been friends for a long time.
It's been an honor to both be MPs in this house. It's been a huge honor for me.
I will miss him here in Parliament.
>> But I know what >> that we will continue to work together, >> Mr. Speaker. But I do know that courage should be respected regardless of views. what we are dealing with is a crisis, but it's heartbreaking in this moment.
And I would just like to thank the people of Laurier St. Mar showing a great deal of judgment in choosing this member. The only question would be to give the member one more chance to say of all the extraordinary things accomplished in his service in this place. Of what achievement is he most proud? What would he most want us to remember in the extraordinary list of achievements here? Merci.
>> The honorable member for Laurier St. Mel.
>> Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And I'd like to thank my friend, my very old friend, the member for Zenish Gulf Islands, the leader of the Green Party, for her words.
We've known each other for a very long time. We worked together before getting into political life. Uh we share many things, including our birthday, which is coming up soon. Uh Mr. Mr. Speaker, I'll mention that for anyone who's interested to know. And I want to reassure her that I will continue to be there for her and for everyone who are interested in working uh on fighting climate change and protecting biodiversity.
I'll never be far away if you need me.
I'll always be there with pleasure.
Thank you.
>> Resuming debate.
>> And there you have it. Kids and cubs. Um Oops. Sorry. screens are slow to change and I can't stop that. Sorry. There we go. That was not supposed to happen. Um, so, as you can tell, uh, Elizabeth May, uh, visibly heartbroken. I'm not crying, you're crying.
Uh, visibly heartbroken. uh you know that um a friend and a colleague a long-term friend colleague is not uh going to be remaining and uh yeah so see I agree with you Elizabeth May just a beautiful person and I agree with you also Kit Linda that she should be made permanent speaker for as long as she wants to be in the role of the house would be better for it I completely agree completely completely completely agree.
Um I found the clip uh that I was looking for by the way uh with regard to um Danielle Smith uh not being able to be trusted. Why is this giving me such a hard time today?
Ah, it is my my computer is doing things I am not asking it to do.
Here it is. Uh, again, Markhamm Hlip.
Uh, this one is in a post of his that's called 13 days ago. Daniel Smith is not fit to hold political office is the title of it. And he he pretty much opens uh with the reasons for which she should not be trusted particularly uh on uh the deal here uh the pathways her her engagements there >> titled Danielle Smith is a bad faith actor can no longer be trusted. A lot of people thought I was overstating the case. Some thought the language was too harsh. Others argued that Smith was simply being strategic or standing up for Alberta or negotiate negotiating hard with Ottawa. But the events of the past few weeks matter because they clarify something important. This was never about ordinary political disagreement. It was about trust. And I had already concluded back in March that Danielle Smith was governing in bad faith.
What we're seeing now, the flirtation with Alberta separatism, the normalization of anti-democratic rhetoric, the degradation of public institutions, the constant pressure campaigns against the legitimacy of federal authority is not a sudden turn.
It's the continuation of a pattern. And that pattern was already visible. The essay I wrote in March was not really about methane regulations or carbon pricing. Those were examples, evidence, symptoms of something larger. The core argument was simple. Smith was entering agreements she never intended to fully honor. That is a profound accusation in a federation like Canada. Federalism only works if governments negotiate in good faith. Provinces in Ottawa fight all the time. That's normal. That friction is built into the system.
But underneath all of it is an assumption. When a government signs an agreement, it intends to uphold the substance of the deal. My argument in March was that this assumption was beginning to collapse in Alberta. And what happened almost immediately after signing the Canada Alberta Energy Memorandum of Understanding with Ottawa, the Smith government began undermining the very commitments it had just made on industrial carbon pricing. Alberta agreed to a strengthened technology innovation and emissions reduction system, the tier system, with a path towards $130 per ton. But within days the government introduced investment credits that weaken the market mechanism itself. Now this is important. A carbon market only works if scarcity drives behavior. If companies face real compliance costs, they reduce emissions.
But Alberta's market was already weak because there was an overupp of credits and too many flexible compliance mechanisms.
Then the government weakened it further.
In other words, Alberta accepted the political benefits of the agreement while quietly hollowing out the policy architecture underneath it.
That is not good faith implementation.
That is tactical compliance.
Same story with methane regulations.
Alberta negotiated an equivalency agreement with Ottawa that supposedly aligned with a 75% methane reduction target.
Then draft regulations appeared almost immediately. That appeared inconsistent with achieving those outcomes.
Again, the timing mattered. This was not a government trying and failing months later.
This divergent hap divergence happened almost instantly. The ink was barely dry. And that is when I concluded something fundamental. The issue was not policy complexity. The issue was credibility because governments acting in good faith do not behave like this.
>> And there you go.
Daniel Smith enters into agreements she has no intention of upholding if it gets her through the current moment.
And again, keep on referring back to David Klehagga. Danielle Smith is not a particularly deep thinker and everything she does is for the moment and it seems to be working for her.
As soon as they agreed to put a price on carbon, she started undermining that by changing the way the credit market worked to destroy the entire architecture under it. The second she agreed to methane reduction targets, she has a government put some draft regulations on methane emissions that uh compromise everything she agreed to. The second that she signs an implementation agreement, she declares a referendum that will stifle any potential investment.
She promised that she would have a private proponent, but the terms keep on changing where it seems that they'll be able to access whole bunch of different types of funds.
Uh she's probably going to not find a private proponent and create some type of provincial crown corporation, which was not what was originally promised, and try to force it through that way.
She She respects nothing.
Just like Trump, her signature on a piece of paper means nothing. A promise from her lasts as long as she wants it to, if it lasts at all.
She's not a reliable partner.
She's just not a reliable partner, shape or form, and she can't be trusted.
And people have been seeing it for some time now.
Um, in other things that we wanted to touch on today, um, because we're talking about uh, well, you know, acting with class or being an ass.
Um, we want to uh touch very briefly on uh where the UCP appears to be standing on national unity because um we got word yesterday that uh even though Danielle Smith said that that she's a federalist and that she would be campaigning uh so much um for Canada while she's simultating ously going to all the town halls and campaigning on or nine other referendum questions that are explicitly anti-Canada and again uh for the purpose as Mr. Hislop stated of just constantly undermining the federation and any authority uh of institutions or the federal government.
Um the party president didn't seem uh to be on the same page when it comes to um would the party actually uh stand up for Canada as Miss Smith claimed that it would.
uh president of the party, Rob Smith, no relation, believe uh I think put out some type of statement indicating that as a party um the UCP would, I believe is the word, uh remain neutral when it comes to this which is not what was um promised. Seaomato from Global News. Uh despite what UCP president Rob Smith told news outlets earlier this week, the party now says it's aligned with the premier stunt on the referendum. So that that that switched somewhere along the way. Uh but yesterday uh that's not what they were saying.
at all. Yesterday they were saying essentially for all intents and purposes uh that um the fact that so many people of the party uh well I guess they weren't saying the fact that so many people uh in the party uh were separatists. Um, but we know based on public opinion polling and uh Janet Brown again is one of the best public opinion uh pollsters uh in Canada but particularly uh she knows that province like the back of her hand.
um that yeah because of that the the party was going to be remaining neutral which was really interesting position considering that um you know they're claiming to be a federalist party. So, so how do you how do you as a Federalist party start a pro-separation uh referendum and then uh claim to be um agnostic somehow about it. Um nobody really knows how many Albertans want this of course because as we said Danielle Smith claims that she has 700,000 but she really has zero.
um verified signatures in favor of this type of referendum. Uh we have indigenous groups uh very much opposing what is going on. Uh the treaty first nations of Alberta uh sent something u the other day as well.
um saying at the end of it treaty first nations will also be formally writing to the prime minister requesting that Alberta's proposed referendum question be reviewed by parliament in accordance with the uh requirements of the clarity act what the premier has called is not just an Alberta question but it's a question for all Canadians um and that the chief of treaty will be holding media scrum next week uh to publicly address the concerns um prime minister did we showed it to you that um you know he was wondering if um wondering if uh the clarity act would have to apply that we'd have to do his duty on that. We saw the BL KUA MP Cassind Mande come out and uh on that and uh basically blast that with some claims that were a little dubious.
Um and then the prime minister apparently it was revealed I think was the day before yesterday that indeed the way that uh the question is formulated does not uh make it such uh that the clarity act uh has to be in invoked here. Uh now uh whether one agrees with that or not um I would say that it should given that this question if it goes one way does lead to a process that the premier has claimed that she would be bound by even though referendums are not binding in Canada.
um but that she would uh be bound by it and given that she declared that she would be bound by it uh one of those options wouldn't necessarily lead to an option that would require the Clarity Act. Uh so the question was whether or not um whether or not a head we would just nip it in the bud now given that this eventually gets there or whether or not we would literally parse this out and say well given that this particular vote does not lead to an actual thing that is constitutional the clarity act does not apply. Um it would appear that we have decided to take uh the position that uh we are going to deal with this in isolation and not what it is that can be as result and therefore uh it does not clarity act does not apply uh in this case. So that will not be a way uh to stop it.
um which was a shame.
But on the other hand, as I was mentioning, um maybe not the best time uh to bring that up right now as well because there is a portion of this that it's it's not about not provoking the separatists, right? We don't have to worry about the separatists. We know where we stand.
It's the group of soft federalists, soft conservative voting federalists, uh, who may be a little bit anti-Ittawa, a little bit anti-liberal, and saying, "Hey, yes, there is no cost to this. Uh, let's send a message." Those are the ones that we have to try to engage in this without commenting on people claiming that they're stupid or, you know, being insulting or having a tone that's aggressive because um that's not going to be helpful. And it's again, not the separatists. I'm all for pissing off separatists uh and putting it in their face that they're lying, but they're not the ones uh whose votes we are concerned about at the moment. Um, so yeah, it's um really interesting uh to be watching uh the president uh of the UCP uh not uh first trying to back out of the commitment uh to be fighting for Canada on this Um, it seems that according to the Canadian press, uh, Alberta Premier Daniel Smith is at odds with the president of her own party on the issue of the province quitting Canada. Rob Smith, the president of the United Conservative Party, has said the UCP will not take a position on the upcoming referendum regarding whether Alberta should stay in Canada. Premier Smith, however, begs to differ. Speaking in a radio interview on Wednesday with host Shea Ganam on QR Calgary and 880 CHD, Smith said she's the one who speaks for the party and the party's position is Alberta in the party's position is Alberta stays in Canada. Um given what she's done, uh people are wondering uh if she really does speak for the party. It doesn't seem that she is the one who speaks for the party anymore. Our party had as its founding principles that we support autonomy for Alberta within the United Canada. It's right in our founding principles. Every one of my MLAs got elected on that, said Smith. That's why I say that our party, our caucus, and our government are on board with working on what we need to do to remain in Canada to address the legitimate concerns that Albertans have. Well, if you want us to believe that uh Miss Smith, maybe the first thing you need to do is fire Mr. Smith.
The president of the UCP, who was not related to Danielle Smith, could not be immediately reached for reaction to the premier's comments. Gee, I wonder why.
During the interview, Smith was also asked about some of the challenges that Alberta would face if the province eventually decided to separate from Canada. Quote, "There's massive startup costs. I mean, remember, we have never had national defense. We don't have independent courts. Those would have to be set up. We don't have border control.
I don't know how many folks who go and regularly visit family in Saskatchewan and British Columbia would want to show passports and have to stop at the border," said Smith. These are the very practical things that they've discovered in the United Kingdom that none of the promises of windfalls panned out, but a whole bunch of irritations ended up coming up that prevented them from being able to expand trade, travel freely, work freely, own houses in Spain. Those are the things I want people to understand.
Again, Daniel Smith confuses me because now she actually is sounding a bit like a federalist.
Uh, I can't tell with her. Um, but yes, she probably should get rid of uh Rob Smith because he clearly uh has uh is not in lock step with the leader of the party.
Um, but yeah, it appears that the UCP doesn't actually know where it stands anymore and that there's clearly lots of infighting going on inside. This is not a no longer a stable organization or a stable party uh by any uh stretch of the imagination and that also is not good uh for the investment climate.
Um, Kajillian here. Denny has pissed off everyone in her party with her federalist protestations. Yes.
Get there's some trouble in paradise for Danielle. Yeah, there is actually. Uh, and that's not only the bit of trouble in paradise for Danielle. Uh, but it appears that there's some public opinion polling that comes out.
Um, from Rukar Ali of CBC News. As an October referendum on the future of Alberta separation looms, new polling finds three and five Albertans say that they would vote to stay in Canada while more than half of Albertans feel Premier Daniel Smith has handled the issue poorly. On Thursday, Smith announced she's planning to put a question on the fall referendum ballot that will ask Albertans if they want the province to remain in Canada or if they want a future binding referendum on separation.
According to a poll from the Anagus Reed Institute released Monday, 60% of respondents would vote no to the official referendum question compared to 35% who would vote yes. Now, if you're wondering, 35%, wait a minute, I thought it was like 21 to 27% and you know that that uh number is like a needle on the record. Uh there there's a reason for that. Um, I was listening to an interview on a podcast called The Decel, which is from the Glob and Mail. And they had uh somebody uh from the Glob and Mail who was speaking on behalf of the editorial board. And uh in that conversation, I learned that uh the question that Danielle Smith asked was not a question that she felt she needed to come up with at the last second given that the court decision thwarted her ability to use uh the separatists, the stay free Alberta or Centurion Project or whatever, whatever their question is.
Uh but that this was a question that she had actually been focus testing for months.
And the reason this particular question with this particular wording was picked is because it was tricky and unclear and convoluted enough that it is the type of uh question that rather than getting the support of 21 to 25 to 27% of the people depending on what you believe that number is uh would get 36%.
because it is u mushy enough.
She literally focus tested various questions so that she could find the one that would confuse the people the most so that she could start the campaign with the highest percentage possible and then hope to bump that up to plusif more than 50 as it goes on.
This is a question that this is a question she just didn't just oh what say if we ask this question. This is a question that was in the works. It's been engineered for maximum anti-Canadian support.
But when asked a simpler hypothetical question about whether to leave Canada or stay, support for separation decreased in federal sentiment with 30% choosing to leave and 67% opting to stay.
Now, why would a federalist choose a question that's more likely to break Canada apart? And why go through the pain of focus testing it to find out which one if you are actually a federalist unbelievable sassy colonel president of Angus Reed Institute so told CBC's RT pool that responses to both poll indic questions indicate overwhelming majorities don't want to leave Canada quote one of the biggest takeaways here is when you ask a simpler question and albeit hypothetical, you see the number of people who would say they'd vote to stay shoot right up to 67%. The latest survey by Angus Reed was conducted online from May 22nd to 24. It pulled a randomized sample of 800 Albertan adults and has a margin of error of plus or minus three percentage points 19 times out of 20. A little more than half of Albertans's poll said they found the official question confusing. Quote, "Question wording matters," said Lisa Young, a professor of political science at the University of Calgary in reference to the discrepancy between the response to the official question and Angus Reed's simplified one. The official 37word question would ask, should Alberta remain a province of Canada or should the government of Alberta commence the legal process required under the Canadian Constitution? There is no such thing. To hold a binding, there's no such thing. Provincial referendum on whether or not Alberta should separate from Canada.
Young warned that could potentially influence people influence how people vote in October. Quote, "People are reading their own interpretation to interpretation into what that question means. Now, we're going to have the next five months to talk about what the various options actually mean. So that may move people a little bit. I wonder if some people who are just tuning into this conversation think, well, there's no harm in having another referendum and keeping the conversation going.
56% of poll respondents said that Smith has handled the issue poorly, including nearly a third of UCP voters. If you're someone who is already inclined to not want to vote for the UCP and Danielle Smith, you're going to say that she's done a bad job. And we see that, Carl said with the polls showing most Albertan NDP voters responding very poorly to poorly. At the same time, she said, "There's a significant segment of UCP voters who feel that this has been mishandled." So, Smith is being squeezed by criticism from both sides. Oh, what a shame. You have true hardcore separatists, people who really follow the Alberta Prosperity Project, saying, you know, she's not calling a simple question. She's not calling a yes or no question. So, there's that level of unhappiness. Young said in some ways the poll validates the analysis that we've seen that suggests that almost everyone is angry at Danielle Smith about this because she's trying to have it both ways so that she could remain blameless because again she put herself at the center of all of it. This is a question based on the desires of one person only one signature only her own.
When we look at the numbers about anger at Smith, she has retained support among many conservatives or UCP voters, but has perhaps engendered some anger from a smaller group of deeply committed separatists. The poll also suggested 33% of respondents who voted for the UCP in 2023 view the referendum as a move by Smith to appease the separatists in her party. And while Smith has previously st previously stated she supports Alberta staying in Canada and will campaign for the remain side, 40% of Albertan's poll indicated the premier's motivations are predicated on her keeping her job. the institute's report said and if a lot of these people truly believe that and don't want to reward her for that uh unlike certain other provinces well that they have the new progressive Tory party under Pete Guthrie who used to be a cabinet minister in her government uh to vote for nearly half of those surveyed said Smith should resign said that speaks to a broader challenge Smith will continue to have in trying to walk a line between keeping the separatist forces within her own party and her own segment base the Federalist on The poll also found that decided voters were nearly split on the party they'd vote for in event that an election were called today. And this is the good news uh most good news I have for you kids and cubs uh on this subject uh because again as we know Angus Reed is opinion polling that tends uh too lean conservative.
So when Angus Reed shows numbers that may be concerning for conservatives, uh we pay a little more attention to them because we're not expected to see that.
Uh these days it seems to be Angus Reed and Abacus polling in particular uh that you tend to be outliers uh traditionally Angus Reed now a little more abacus that tend to be outliers showing more support or more persistent support uh for conservatives uh than other ones are showing. Uh but this one uh is stating that if an election were held today, kits and cubs and this is in the context of a lot of people saying that the uh Danielle Smith's best asset for remaining premier happens to be Nahed Neni.
Oh well uh look at what's this what's Angus Reed saying that if an election were held today, the UCP would get 46% of the vote. The NDP would get 45.
What?
The ABP, which I'm going to guess is the Alberta Party, uh would get 4% uh WLC.
Uh I have no idea what that is. Is that the the Wild Rose uh party?
What's that? Wild Rose Loyalty Coalition.
Okay.
and ABP. Uh, not the Alberta Beef Producers, but how about in politics? What is that?
Uh, I'm not sure with the AB party, whether or not that is the Alberta Party or whether or not that is the new progressive Tory party of Alberta. Um, if I could find a logo for each, I would be able to tell you. Alberta Party logo.
or maybe if there's some uh people from Alberta watching.
Yeah, I think it's more Alberta party from what I can tell here. Um but yeah, that is and and others at 2%.
But good news for Danielle Smith, especially if that starts replicating.
I I wonder what a 46 to 45 uh poll would look like in terms of seat distributions.
I have a feeling that uh whatever seats the UCP might have in the at least the Calgary and Edmonton areas could be affected. Uh there could be some other urban areas uh maybe like Lethbridge or Medicine Hat uh you know not big burging metropolises but still uh you know with a uh you know good decent size urban population uh that uh you know could be some could be some swing seats there but uh that is definitely not great news for Danielle Smith.
that uh there could be the type for her.
On Monday, Prime Minister Mccarnney said Smith's referendum question is quote not helpful and that votes like this are a dangerous bluff, citing the Brexit referendum in 2016 as an example looking at how different age demographics responded to the poll. Young said she sees an interesting parallel to the vote patterns in Brexit as older Albertans were more likely to vote for separation than younger ones. In response to the simplified question of separation, 20% of Albertans between 18 to 34 said they would look to leave Canada, while 38% over 55 responded the same way. Of course, the 38% over 55 have had nearly 50 years of them being told every day that the federal government is their enemy.
So, yeah, it's this question where, you know, older people are favoring the more radical outcome, which young people have to live with the consequences, said Young. The poll also found out that seven out of 10 respondents believe separatists will never accept the outcome of Albertans voting against advancing the separation process. Of those who would vote to separate in a hypothetical future referendum, 40% 41% of people said they would not accept the outcome. There we go. Of those who would vote to separate, 41% of people say they would not accept the outcome because but wow. If Albertans vote against starting the separation process, while 45% would, Albertans will be able to vote on whether or not they want the province to hold a binding referendum on separating from Canada on October 19th.
So, uh, yeah, not great news, uh, for Danielle Smith and the UCP at all in any way, shape, or form on this issue.
Uh let's see what uh for you today. Guy God already at two hours and a half.
That um went really fast today. Um let's see what else do I have for you because I think there was one more topic I wanted to touch upon today if I am not mistaken. And uh just trying to see if I can uh find my episode description to help with that. And uh apparently not.
It's a very strange day here, kids and cubs. Uh I'm sorry. Hold on. Let me go take a check at my episode description.
Oh, yes. Was the lawful access uh thing that I wanted to mention. Um it seems that uh again that bill on lawful access um is uh causing a little bit of consternation of course and it would seem that uh the federal government has indeed uh heard uh the criticism and uh will be acting on it. According to Katherine Tunny of CBC News, the Liberal government says it will amend its hot button lawful access legislation, which would make it easier for police and spies to tap private communications as it faces blowback from critics who argue the bill would actually put cyber security at risk. Public Safety Minister Gary Anand Sangri, Bill C22's sponsor, told reporters on Wednesday he'll propose amendments to better safeguard encryption and clarify what metadata has to be stored by tech and telecommunication companies, but remain firmed that the bill would become law.
This is something that needs to happen, he said. Bill C2022, my god, I'm out of trouble today. Bill C22 promises to help law enforcement and the Canadian Security Intelligence Service obtain digital information during investigations, something the security community has been pushing for since the late 1990s. The second half of the bill has attracted the most scathing commentary. It would force yet to be defined electronic service providers to adapt their systems so they all have the ability to hand over information to investigators with a warrant. The bill would also require core providers to retain metadata, which can include information such as who is sending and receiving data for up to one year. Bill C-22 gives the Minister of Public Safety the power to issue ministerial orders on providers to, for example, retrieve data or trace a device. The Intelligence Commissioner Quasi Judicial Body would have to approve the action. While the bill does allow providers to make their case if they don't agree with the government's direction, they are prohibited from disclosing information about the order. Those elements have attracted detention from some of the largest tech companies in the world, the Federal Privacy Commissioner and lawmakers south of the border. They all share concerns that the bill's technological demands would weaken or break encryption, a key safety measure used by activists, lawmakers, journalists, and everyday Canadians to safeguard communications and other important information. Quote, "When you build a back door into an encrypted device, anyone can walk through. And because so much depends on encryption, we can't take that risk." Eric Newan Schwander, Apple's senior director of user privacy and child safety, testified before parliamentary committee on Tuesday. A Google representative told the same committee that Canada's proposed legislation goes further than its allies and quote could facilitate foreign interference and weaken global user privacy. Amendments are due Wednesday night, but Anand Sangri said the government will propose changes quote to ensure there's clarity on what encryption is and better define metadata in the legislation. Quote, we would ensure that that metadata piece is in line with our US counterparts language in their bill, he said. and Anan Sagre's office later clarified to CBC News that he was referring to the US laws encryption provisions, not metadata.
Conservative leader Pep said his party will have to see if the amendments are enough for his MPs to support the bill.
Quote, "So far, we're extremely suspicious," he said, suggesting the Liberal government is creating quote a surveillance state. God instead of protecting can Canadians from criminals.
Both the NDP and Green Party leaders also came out against the bill, but with the majority, the Liberals can pass the bill through the House with the only support of their own party. The minister stopped short of calling the multi-billion dollar companies that have lined up against the bill hypocritical but questioned their commitment to privacy. Quote, I think there's a number of areas of misinformation. He said, "We're living in a world where big techs, whether it is Apple, Google, or the range of other big tech companies, are operating without any type of accountability. Police and ceases have gone on the record saying they are outpaced by evolving technology, which they argue is putting public safety at risk. Last year, one of the country's intelligence watchdocs put out flare warnings in the public. Canada's security organizations face significant challenges detecting and responding to security threats because of legislative gaps and outdated resources limiting when and how they can access private messages. Quote, "The committee is concerned by the lawful access challenges described by the security and intelligence community and the long-standing inability of successive governments to address them." The National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians has said that's ENSOP. They state that encryption and the increasing volume, varity, and variety and velocity of digitally generated data make it difficult and sometimes impossible to gather the information needed to carry out effective investigations. Successive governments have tried and failed to update Canada's lawful access regime.
Bill C22 is the Carney government's second attempt after an earlier bill folded under pressure to retract what was widely considered to be overly intrusive search powers. The Conservatives under Steven Harper also tried to reform access to digital evidence in 2012, which notoriously tanked after Mr. Victay's accused privacy critics of standing quote with the child pornographers because yes uh back in the 2010s uh that was the conservative play if you disagreed with them uh you were a child pornographer supporter or um somebody who supported child pornographers and then in the 2020s they just straight out moved out to referring to people as pedos and croovers rather than supporters.
But yes, that that was a a go-to play for them, particularly for anything online.
Um so yeah, uh and it's amazing how uh when the conservatives want to change uh access, lawful access regulations, and people disagree with them, uh they support the child pornographers. And then when the liberals do it, the liberals want to create a surveillance state because um today's conservatives like Daniel Smith have completely uh no values, no morals, uh no moral compass, u no principles, uh it is merely uh whatever allows us to take a swipe at somebody today. And if that is diametrically opposed to what we said yesterday when we were taking a swipe at the same people, um, we pretend that we don't notice it because zero lack of self-awareness and zero shame are the basic prices of entry now to be a politician in Canadian conservative movement and a lot of performative stuff.
Motions and demanding apologies and holding letters up while scowlling at the camera. Yes, I'm looking at you, Aaron Gun.
Is it okay if I said to Aaron Gun, "You would be much prettier if you smiled."
He's always scowlling. Looks like he's in a bad mood. Every time I see a picture of him, unless he's sticking it to someone, then he's happy. He He looks like somebody just pooped in his cornflakes every single time.
It's literally impossible to be that enraged and stern all the time.
Come on, Aaron. Lighten up. Lay off hating indigenous people for a few hours. Maybe it might change your mood.
Just saying. Um, oh my word. Uh, I think kids and cubs, that might be uh the big stuff that I have for you today. Just going to take a little look here at my notes to make sure I touched upon everything uh today.
And uh because I don't want to leave a stone unturned here. Uh I promised more Wob I think uh uh and I didn't bring it to you. I'm so sorry. Uh that was uh probably uh that interview uh he gave to Vashi Capello uh the other day uh yesterday. Um kind of do want to put it in there for you, but I'm already at 2:30 and that will send me way over three and I'm really trying to get done under three today if I can. Uh let me uh apologize for the tease. Uh I I I will give you more WOB tomorrow. Hopefully I will have time to to to bring you that instead.
Then um so that we can finish this off at a a nice and a little more normal hour than we have been for the last little bit. Uh just going to take a check here to see if there isn't anything incoming at the last minute that I need to deal with you. A couple little bit of news here. It seems that uh we have uh we are Germany is sweetening the pot with regard to um the submarine deal uh that we are looking to get into. We're trying to decide between Germany and um and uh South Korea. I believe uh Mark Carney is currently in uh was going to be in New York today uh to pitch Canada as an investment hub uh which could be an interesting move here. Um let's see what else do we have here in the news very quickly. Um seems that there will be a refreshed national AI strategy that will be released next week.
So there we have that. Of course, uh the news that we brought to you yesterday that Canada's negotiating to buy SAB's Global Eye Airborne early warning aircraft that is very important. Um let's see what else do we have uh in here. Those are the main things. Uh there is one more thing on lawful access uh that I should probably bring you before we go. Uh this is courtesy of Katherine Tunny and it says, "Detractors and defenders of a Liberal government bill promising law enforcement and intelligent agencies easier access to Canadians information during investigations made their pitches Tuesday to MPs weighing on whether it should be amended." So this is in a committee. Testifying at the tail end of a marathon public safety committee meeting Tuesday evening, the Canadian Telecommunications Association Vice President Eric Smith summed up the issue facing lawmakers studying Bill C22, how to balance privacy rights with law enforcement and national security ay's ability to access information. That balance is critically important because Canadians use digital services every day. The lawful access legislation would require yet to be defined electronic service providers to adapt their systems to make it easier to hand over requested information to security and intelligence officials provided they have a warrant.
Uh, a little aside here, I have no idea why it is that governments would table a bill, but ask electronic service providers to do something and not define what that is and then ask people to amend and make votes. You don't even know who the bill applies to yet. How do you know what to amend? This is pure silliness. The bill would also require core providers to retain meta metadata like call logs and location for up to one year. And they didn't define specifically what metadata was. I think as well here the government has argued it lacks behind its five eyes intelligence partners by not having an updated lawful access regime to help law enforcement and intelligence services access digital information during investigations. that has stirred up intense backlash from major tech companies like Google, Apple, and Meta to privacy advocates who all youth bills demands would weaken or break weaken or break encryption, a key safety measure used by activists, lawmakers, journalists, and everyday Canadians to safeguard communications and other important information. Apple depends on its security technology, quote, to store and process highly sensitive data like health metrics, photos, and the locations of our loved ones. Eric Newan Schwander, the company's senior director of user privacy and child safety, told the committee, "As technology evolves, so do the bad actors trying to steal our data." "We do not know of a way to deploy encryption technology that provides access only for the good guys without creating new ways for the bad guys to break in." Google said Canada's proposed legislation goes further than its allies. Quote, "Without stronger definitions, the law could be used to force the dismantling of critical privacy architecture such as breaking encryption, overriding users data deletion controls, or building remote access capability. All of which could facilitate foreign interference and weaken global user privacy. Janette Patel, director of government affairs and public policy for Google and Canada argued. Public safety minister Gary Anan Sangri has repeated that it's not the government's intention to weaken privacy protections like encryption. Both Apple and Google executives told the committee that should be made more clear in the legislation. The committee heard a similar request from Meta. Federal privacy commissioner Fed Juan said he also has concern. He told the committee that he was consulted by the government after its first attempt at bringing in a lawful access bill, bill C2, and fold it under backlash. It was amended and reintroduced as bill C22 earlier this year. But there remains privacy concerns, he told the committee. Dufen put forward eight recommendations, including narrowing the definition of subscriber information to just names, addresses, and telephone numbers, and IP addresses, and limiting the entities who would be compelled to provide that information to telecommunication services providers. He also said the bill's technical obligations on electronic providers should be quote be limited to what is necessary and proportionate. The longer you keep information, the more there's a risk in terms of privacy breach, the more there is an impact if there is a privacy breach, Duhane told the committee. Law enforcement agencies in the Canadian Security Intelligence Service have argued that public safety is at risk if Canada doesn't pass a lawful access regime, arguing they are outpaced by evolving technology hampering their ability to investigate criminal and national security cases. During a separate round of testimony, Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police President and Ontario Police pre provincial police commissioner Thomas Kadik told the committee that concerns by some major telecommunications companies and special interest privacy advocates are overstated. Quote, "Two often lawful access debates focus exclusively on privacy interests of suspects and the financial interests of big tech while overlooking the rights of victims to safety, justice, and timely intervention. Bill C22 ensures electronic service providers are not serving as a safe haven for criminal and terror terrorist related activity compromising public safety locally, nationally, and internationally. During an exchange with Newan Schwander, Liberal MP Anthony Housefather suggested some of the tech giants concerns are what's best for their company's interests and not necessarily in the national interest. Quote, I don't disagree with some of the objections you raised, but there are claims that are being made. For example, surveillance equipment being installed in devices that I don't think are reasonable or logical, he said. Bmpton Mayor Patrick Brown, who has seen a spate of violent extortion attempts in his city, also testified in favor of the bill and urged the committee to not dither or delay.
Quote, "This could be the most significant investigative tool for police since DNA evidence changed the game." He said, "Organized crime does not want Canada to update our lawful access legislation. They've been able to frankly conduct criminal activity with impunity in our country. Police have their hands tied." The Communications Security Establishment or the CSE, the country's foreign singles intelligence agency and the government cyber security authority said the bill doesn't create quote back doors as some have argued. A backdoor creates a lasting generalized vulnerability that can be exploited by malicious actors. Lawful access under C-22 by contra by contrast is intended to obtain limited and specific information held by an electronic service provider via controlled authorized requests without undermining cyber security, the agency said in a written submission to the committee.
Strong encryption is fundamental to Canada's cyber security, economic stability, and national security.
Conservative MP Frank Caputo, the party's public safety critic, suggested Monday the opposition will be floated floating amendments to codify encryption protections uh if you happen to be in a writing represented by Mr. Caputo. You have my sympathies.
Not a particularly good MP. Quote, Canadians want to know that their endto-end encryption won't be targeted.
he said. The British Columbia MP said conservatives on committee are looking to quote get the best bill possible, adding the Liberals quote have really dropped the ball in both drafting and explaining C-22. The committee heard from dozens of witnesses over the span of three meetings. Tuesday's hearing was the last scheduled before MPs consider whether changes should be made to the controversial bill. Conservatives are pushing to extend the debate, arguing the controversial bill is being rammed through parliament. The meeting was adjourned before the issue was sorted and Sangri has suggested publicly that he's open to amendments. His office has also said he hopes to pass the bill before the parliament's summer break, which would be in the next few weeks.
So, they better get cracking if they're going to resolve uh these uh pretty significant uh differences and actually address uh these uh again pretty uh important concerns.
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Nope. Okay, it does not want to link. Uh so let's try this uh R Commons 7124 and bring that up. There we go. There's there there's always a way. There's always a way um if you have a little patience. And it seems that uh the internet search function might be down because uh nothing is happening or or at least their site might be down. Our com down.
Oh my god. Um yeah. Okay. Not sure uh how I'm going to present these petitions to you. So uh our comments, yeah, the the whole our comments site is down. So, um I'm going to have to skip that uh for you today, kits and cubs. So, sorry.
Uh if you are in British Columbia, we are the uh 28th today. Two more days uh to get your vote in if you're voting for the BC uh Conservative Party leadership race. And uh of course uh on the 29th uh that would be tomorrow throughout the province of Alberta, there is a massive strike against Danielle Smith. uh protest against Daniel Smith that is uh being called. So uh hopefully a lot of people will come out for that on the 30th. One in Ontario against Doug Ford.
And it would appear if I'm not mistaken here that uh the petitions uh have come back up.
The site is back up again. Let's try that one more time and see if I can bring that for you. Um, let's see. Kit Hugh petition House of Commons rcom.ca petition E7124.
Anybody? Really? No, just me. Okay. Uh, nope. They're they're not coming back here.
All right. Uh, I don't know what to do about that. So, uh, hopefully they will work tomorrow. Uh, words of wisdom. Um, I'm I'm a little bereff with everything that's going on the channel. Uh, and uh, not as smooth a show today as I'd hope to deliver. Um, breathe.
Breathe. Uh, I'm going to have to do a lot of that today. Uh, just try and stay calm.
This too shall pass. I guess I'm sorry.
It's all I got for you. Um, Canadians who make us proud. Um, we had a wonderful suggestion uh from someone. I believe it was a Kit Sylvi uh who wanted us to mention a gentleman who participated in Ottawa Race Weekend. Uh, and um, this gentleman, his name is Roy Allen.
and he decided uh that he was going to participate uh in the 5K race from Ottawa for Ottawa West Ottawa race weekend. And this is uh from uh Abbyia Abbe. I love that name. Uh from the Ottawa citizen says Ottawa was on fire for Roy Allen on Saturday because it wasn't just because he did something no other Canadian his age had ever done before. It was because he did it with a huge smile on his face. Quote, "Almost every stranger who crossed Allen's path melted into a smile and a few broke down in tears. It's just really sweet," one woman shouted as she cheered Allan on.
"And uh the reason why is u Mr. Allen is 100 years old." "The Centennarian made history on May 31st when he became the oldest person to walk the Tamarack Ottawa Waste Weekend 5 kmter race. Allan crossed the finish line in an hour 47 minutes 19 seconds according to the Run Ottawa app that his grandson Alan Bersier 26 monitored throughout the event. Thousands signed up for this year's race weekend and each one probably had personal goals and motivations. While some wanted to beat personal records, they all encouraged Allan on the journey to reach his Allen's motivations were bigger than himself. And perhaps that was also why so many gravitated towards him as he gave back to a cause deeply personal for himself and his 91 94 yearear-old wife Melba. They have benefited from four organizations that Allenwalk was raising funds. Council on Aging of Ottawa, the Pearly Health Foundation, where Melba Allen stays, Glossister's 50 Plus Center, and the Dementia Society. Quote, "He's a sweet man," Sarah Burier said of her 100-year-old father as family members walked the 5K race with him.
"What you see is what you get." "The team 100 crowd was undeniable when the cent centinarian kickstarted his journey just after 4 p.m. along the busier streets of Metaf and Wellington. The city was buzzing as Allan used his walker to make his way through the crowd. With every sharp turn into a busy corner, Allan Allan became another stranger's favorite part of their day.
The crowd would eventually fall quiet.
Yet Alan was never alone. Walking side by side with him were eight members of his family. Granddaughter Elizabeth, 17, grandsons Alan El Justin and Matsu, and Kevin Dutil. Kevin's wife Tanisha Dutil and daughter Sarah Beri and her husband M. Sarah, 59, grew emotional as she watched thousands of strangers cheer her dad. But it was in the quieter moments that she was able to admit to herself the weight of the moment. "I was trying not to cry," she told the Ottawa citizen near the 1 kmter mark. Grandsons and Matsier Berier explained that family members would take turns taking Roy to the mall as he trained, but that they hadn't anticipated the uphill sections of the roadways or the course. Sarah said the secret to Royy's good health was that he never smoked or drank, and he smiled often. That was how Roy Allen proved Saturday that he was 100 years young after the race. He said he planned to walk the event again next year. And uh kids and cubs uh let's uh give the man he is due here since we're talking about Canadians who make us proud and uh give him a little screen time because uh listen, when I grow up uh I think I want to be him.
based on this uh that is dedication to your family and to your community and giving back. So uh Mr. Roy Allen here 100 years old walking 5K to do some good. And since we're talking about why walking 5k to do some good at kids and cubs June 20th mental health walk uh if you you are able uh if you are male or male identifying and uh you know you have other male and male identifying friends uh who may not talk a lot about their mental health uh why not pick up the phone and invite them to go out for a walk if not on the 20th on that weekend sometime make it 5K make it a good decent walk and go out and have a chat. check in. How's your mental health doing?
We need to get men talking more about their mental health, particularly to their mates.
Of course, if you don't have a mate, um, call anyone, right? It doesn't have to be uh another male or male identifying person. Uh, if you have a need, call someone, talk. Uh but in the spirit of the walk uh if you can uh find another male or male identifying friend uh let's dstigmatize let's show that it is not a sign of weakness uh to ask for help to reach out uh or just say you know what I'm having I'm having a tough go of it and uh just need to vent and uh and uh if you are the one who gets the call um lend an ear or a soft shoulder or even uh if you're wondering about a and uh proactively place the call yourself and say, "Hey, let's go for a walk."
I was watching an interview uh with actually Kelly Roland, who's from Destiny's Child, who was talking about uh um her having becoming a mother uh and her mother having passed away very shortly after. And she didn't know how she was she was she would be able to cope with both. And apparently uh she had a friend called her and said, "Girl, you have had all this stuff going on and every time I talk to you and you keep on saying you're fine.
What the hell is up with you?" And apparently that's what made her break.
She broke out into crying cuz somebody called her out on the mask.
So um reach out. Okay. Very very important. Uh so June 20th or that weekend. Uh again, and uh if you have an organization that supports mental health, men's mental health in particular, but mental health, and you would like to make a contribution, uh this is not technically a fundraiser, uh but there are organizations that need your help. If you do have one in your community and you support it, uh please do make the donation, but then please let us know that you've made us the donation, send us a copy of the receipt and so that we can have an idea of uh what good this has done. And if you have walked, um, you know, we ask if you can, if you're willing to, uh, to take a picture and, uh, to to post it on social media with the hashtag mentalhealth.
Um, but if you don't and you're not comfortable with that, at least uh, let us know that uh, you did go for a walk uh, and that you invited someone or someone's But let let us know and uh we would be very uh happy for that. I am not now my keyboard is not even typing uh the things that I wanted to type because I'm trying uh to post uh the thing hash mental healthwalk and uh okay that was very weird. uh in uh the chat function it was not giving me a hashtag uh but in my email it is okay like I said uh there is always a solution so here it is uh I was able to type it in another software and put it down right here you go um so please use uh the hashtag mental mouthwaxing. It didn't even come out right. The men is supposed to be capitalized, but it changed it on me.
And yes, uh let us know uh what that uh that that you have that you've participated in the weekend and uh or in the event and uh that would mean the world to us. All right. Um that's all I got for you right now. Kids and Cuts could be a tough world out there. So, please um please please please be kind to and gentle with yourself. And uh at the count of three, can I please get a Mr. Beaver, please cue the [ __ ] on one, two, and three.
Ah, there we go. Thank you so very much, kids and cubs. And since you've asked so kindly, here's a little cockadoodle do for you. We'll come back with a little bit of Canadians to make us proud.
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Okay. Again, very weird. Um, I don't know if the credits skipped for you, but they did for me. That's why I'm very surprised to actually uh be up on the screen again. Um, little bit of Canadians who make us proud. Um, if you were following as I am the French Open, uh, there was, uh, well, not too much yesterday involving Canadians that I hadn't already mentioned because most of the matches had taken place by the time the show was over. Uh, today there's a couple of things on the block. Felix Oriim is currently on the court. uh lost his first set uh so already one set down. Um Canadians are having a really tough time uh at the tournament this year. Victoria Boko is supposed to play this afternoon her second round against Katrina Syakova.
Um, and then us for the rest, there's not too much Canadian content except for the qualification rounds for the juniors and uh we have uh three uh young Canadians in the junior boys draw uh that are competing and uh hopefully uh we'll have an opportunity to have uh a better experience. Uh but uh for one of what I'm looking for looking at uh two of the three have unfortunately lost their first round uh match uh today. Uh so um first one was come on let's the name Zavi Masut. So these are names that you might be hearing a lot about in the future. And then uh Mr. as well.
Benjamin Azah um despite being ranked number one uh in the qualification draw uh did uh lose today and uh another young man who is goes by the name of his last name first name Felix. So another Felix uh who well he's having a better day of it. He actually he just served uh match point right now and he'll be going on to the second round of qualifications. If he wins that will enter the main draw. So that's what's going on at the French Open. Of course, if you are a fan of the Mariel Canadier, uh you are really u worried today uh because once again uh the Kennedier uh lost uh third match in a row. Um first time in a long time that they've lost three matches in a row. And it's particularly interesting that they've lost them against the Carolina Hurricanes because up until the first match that they lost in the series, they hadn't lost to them all season long.
It's almost like the Mar Canadier have lost their steam a bit. Uh particularly the shots on goal are almost non-existent and I do not know how you expect to win a playoff game if you're not shooting uh on goal. Um but um I think yesterday we uh found out why it is that um the Kennanier may have lost.
Um it appears that uh some people uh decided to attend the event. Uh not going to give any volume there, but um yeah uh perhaps perhaps they jinxed it.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Uh somebody also sent me a picture of Danielle Smith with the Edmonton Oilers jersey and her thumbs up last year. Um I think when the Edmonton Oilers were were in the final round and uh again seems like somebody jinxed it.
So, uh this uh if the the Malian Canadian don't pick up three in a row here, um that might be that might be it uh for us uh while here when it comes to hockey with the exception of uh the men who are playing at the WIHF World Championships where uh Canada did win its last match of the round robin against the Czech Republic and uh Switzerland beat Finland uh because they were tied in their last match to finish the top of their pool uh thus making it such that we were playing scheduled to play uh team USA uh in uh the uh first round of the playoffs. Uh again, I'm watching a grid here, and I do not know how it works this way, how uh the first place teams in most divisions uh end up playing each other in semi-finals, unless the grid has uh not been accurately represented here. Uh because normally uh they're in opposite sides of the playoff draws. But currently after uh with the at the 12-minute mark in the second period, sorry, Canada is leading the United States 2 to zero. May this trend continue. Um so that we could advance to the semi-final. Um that's what we have going on for you today. And I guess uh is there anything more from the Memorial Cup happening? Uh yes, no matches tonight. It's a night off, but it seems that uh the main draw has been decided. The Kitchener Rangers have finished at top of uh the standings in pool play. So they get a direct buy to the final and the Shikutsim and Everett Silvertips will be playing in the semi-final and uh whoever wins that gets to play in the big final. So and uh once the W IHF and the Memorial Cup are over, if the Madak continue to the final round, that's pretty much the end of the sock hockey season as far as we're concerned as Canadians. Unless you happen to be a Canadian uh who happens uh to be a fan of either the Vegas Golden Knights uh who are now in the final after sweeping the Avalanche 40 or the Carolina Hurricanes. Um there's probably not much for you as a Canadian to be watching the Stanley Cup final at that point unless you just love hockey period. Then that's always a good reason. But yes, it looks like our season may be cut a little shorter than we want to. And oh well, that's very sad.
All right. Uh that's all I have for you today. And uh again, you know what?
There we go. I finally found my words of wisdom. Be a Roy Allen.
There you go. Be like Roy. Find a cause uh that you care about. Uh in our case, Mental Health Walk. In your case, it may be something else. find a cause uh that you support and then go out and do something in support of it.
There you go. Especially if if it's an organization that has helped you or your family or someone you love, uh why not uh help it back? There you go. There was those are much better words of wisdom, aren't they?
All right. Uh we'll see you tomorrow.
Uh wanting to get under three hours didn't happen. Uh, of course, um, I I talked to you maybe a little too long about what was going on with, uh, the internet throttling and all that kind of stuff, but, uh, thank you for listening.
Um, I shouldn't have taken that much time on the show with it. U, but, um, I was disconcerted and I'm glad that you were there, uh, to, uh, let me talk about it and to send me those kind words. So, that will do me for the rest of the day. That's a little boost. Thank you. And, uh, like I said, I'm Obizu and we will see you tomorrow. Bye everyone.
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