What The Churches Taught Me

[00:00:00]What did those church interviews teach you about conservative women?

[00:00:04]>> It's actually worse than I thought.

[00:00:10]>> Yeah, it's worse than I thought. Um yeah, because I was going and expecting um women to at least lie a little bit and say they obeyed their husbands. Um even though they probably don't. Uh, but the majority of women, um, like their first answer is, well, I don't know about obey. And I'm thinking, okay, if that's your first answer, then you don't even care about like looking Christian anymore. That's hard.

[00:00:38]>> And your answer says you do know about obey and you've rejected it.

[00:00:42]>> Yeah.

[00:00:44]>> Yeah. Because you know what? I could tell women are full of it about obedience when they speak too highly of it. like submission cuz anybody it's like working out, right? Working out isn't fun. And so if you just say, "Oh, it's so much fun." It's like, "No, working out is hard and but it's rewarding in the long run." Obeying in submission. When I talk to women that have actually done it, they actually can talk in detail about their struggle with it because it's not fun when you think you're right and you just have to listen to what he says, but in the long run, you're going to have more money. your marriage is probably going to be better.

[00:01:20]You're probably going to make better decisions in the long run. Your life is going to be better all around. Um but in the moment, it's not like, you know, like let's say uh two parents, the wife wants to send this kid to school A and the the guy wants to send the kid to school B. Um it's not like in that moment when she wants to send the kid to school A that she's excited to like send the kid to a different school. But in the long run, he's probably right. You know what I mean? I don't know if that makes sense. Yeah.

[00:01:47]>> Yes. That makes perfect sense. Um, same question about conservative men. What did the interviews show you about them?

[00:01:55]>> They're so bad. Oh, I you know what? I was already kind of after your my interview um with your friend Caesar Caesar that his name. I was already blackpilled on conservative women, so that was done for me. But um just the level of cowardice like you know, how can you say you fear God when you fear my sign? like you clearly have no fear of God because you're afraid of a volleyball player with a microphone and an obey sign. So, it was it's I don't know. It just seems like the churches today don't they don't teach courage because, you know, it's it takes a level of courage in this society to say what you think regardless of the consequences.

[00:02:41]But if you fear God, you would. So, you clearly um yeah, you clearly don't. So you fear women, you don't fear God.

[00:02:50]>> Yeah. And you know, I've seen this play out in Protestant churches too, a lot uh especially with men that are going through a a troubled marriage or or going through a divorce and watching the men in these churches, one circle up around the woman to defend her and blame the guy just like just be an extension of the woman blaming the guy, but actually telling the guy, you sort of need to bend over and take this cuz that's what Jesus wants you to do. And I've seen that happen dozens of times in my life and talk to men that it's happened to. Uh I think the there are are Christian churchgoing men and again I'll qualify it's not all of them but the level of cowardice in men in the church is just stunning to me. They will not speak the truth. They will run off anybody who does. They'll chase a woman out of the churchyard with a sign uh that's actually referencing scripture because they don't want the women to be offended by it. Uh it's blows my mind.

[00:04:00]>> Yeah. Um it's worse than I thought. and the level of cope. Uh when I would do these interviews, some of the answers were clearly not answers because they like if a woman says, "I obey him, but only when he follows God, that means that she doesn't obey him."

[00:04:19]>> And the and so many religious people I knew would look at this and say, "Oh, well, she's saying that she obeys him."

[00:04:26]And I'm like, "No, that's not what she's saying." you know, so >> and and there's nothing, you know, I'm certainly not a scriptural e expert. Uh but I don't believe as far as I've read that there's any scripture that says you obey him if he does this or that. Uh it's pretty cut and tried dried that they're supposed to obey.

[00:04:49]>> Yeah.

[00:04:51]>> Okay.

[00:04:53]>> They always Sorry.

[00:04:54]>> No, you go ahead. They always give the murder example, you know, they always say, "Well, what if he has you kill someone?" I'm like, "Well, wouldn't it be kind of romantic if you went anyway, like Bonnie and Clyde?"

[00:05:07]>> And of course, leave it to them to come up with a preposterous example of Yes.

[00:05:13]Because so many husbands are telling their wives to go kill people for them that we need to use that as an example.

[00:05:20]>> Like, if you get to heaven, just say, "God, you said to listen. All right. I was doing what? I was doing what she said.

[00:05:25]>> I want all you men out there that are telling your wives to put on suicide vests and walk into the mall to stop doing that because good lord. Anyway, are churches telling men to lead or they're mostly telling men to serve women?

[00:05:43]>> Oh, to serve women because it's and serve the church. Let's be honest.

[00:05:50]Um because you know even when I went to the the Orthodox church ultimately they want the woman to obey the pastor or the priest or the deacon.

[00:06:01]They don't want the woman to obey the husband. So you're not teaching leadership if you're outsourcing it to the pastor.

[00:06:10]>> Right. Yeah. I think it's a lot of serve the church too. And the the church is basically dictated by women. Uh because pastors and ministers have become people that hear what the women want and then they parrot that from the pulpit.

[00:06:27]>> It's just so strong. I mean, do you want to make $15 or 85? When women make 85% of consumer buying decisions, honestly, someone called into my show and said the only church he's seen work are ones that meet at each other's houses. and there's no overhead cost.

[00:06:45]Um, I can't speak to that. I've never gone to one of those, but that at least kind of makes sense to me, you know, because it's like a small group. You don't have to pay anybody.

[00:06:55]There's a vested interest in your wife being good people and your kids. So, kind of makes sense.

[00:07:00]>> Sure. Yeah.

[00:07:01]Do you think conservative men are being sold a bad deal in that all the obligations of traditional masculinity with none of the respect or authority that I mean I know how you're going to a answer that uh but that seems to be that's my impression of a lot of the traditions.

[00:07:29]>> Yeah. But a lot of the young conservative men are just they have such a you know I think a lot of them society has kind of they they've never really had the opportunity to be needed and have gotten so little female validation and attention that they just crave it so hard that they'll sign up for that bad deal. A lot of them are going to I don't know the young conservative guys they're just dying to be take being I don't know why but it's almost like they're brainwashed. I don't know if you've talked to some of the young superch Christian guys it's like they want they just want to marry a hoe so bad. I don't know why. Like I don't know why.

[00:08:10]>> Well, I think part of it is that they think that's all they can get.

[00:08:14]>> Yeah.

[00:08:16]And if you look at the landscape out there, and again, I'm not here to say all women are like this. I found a great woman, and I know other people who have, but the preponderance of what's available to young men today is more abysmal than at any time in in my nearly 70 years of living, I've never seen anything nearly this bad for young men.

[00:08:39]So, they're I think they're taking what they think they can get.

[00:08:43]>> Yeah. And that's that's one thing that I think has blackpilled me is someone's always going to do it. Don't you get don't have a revenge fantasy because the porn star will find a husband. I'm not saying she won't ruin it later. She might, but there might be another taker even after that.

[00:08:59]It's just there'll always be a taker.

[00:09:04]I used to say, "No way. That girl's never gonna find a man that she would.

[00:09:11]But color me shocked, you know, >> because unfortunately men will take what they can get.

[00:09:19]>> Yeah. I mean, that's the thing that allows threes and fours with sorted past and full of tats and and piercings and a trashy history can actually still go out and get a decent guy because he's not seeing anything better out there.

[00:09:36]>> Yeah, correct.

[00:09:38]>> Boy, pretty bad for young men these days.

[00:09:41]>> Yeah, totally. I have to wonder why female pain is treated as a social emergency while male pain is often treated as a personal failure.

[00:09:52]>> That's a great question.

[00:09:55]>> Um I don't know, but that's that's a really good question because yeah, when a guy cries, it's he's looked at as weak or if a woman cries um yeah, I mean, everyone says, "Oh, what's wrong? Are you okay? Not get away, crazy woman."

[00:10:11]You know, >> you know, I I remember Tom Golden coming up with this scenario, talking about it that if you see a young woman in the corner of a restaurant in a booth crying to herself, the weight staff will come over and check on her and people will look and wonder if she's okay or if they can help. You put the a guy in that same exact spot crying and people are like, "You need to stay away from that guy. Uh he's weird."

[00:10:38]>> Yeah. No, that's really true.

[00:10:41]>> Well, that's the world we live in.

[00:10:45]Lucky guys.

[00:10:46]>> Yeah. And if men cry, too.

[00:10:50]>> It's It's usually for a good reason.

[00:10:52]Where women, it's stupid reasons. We cry over everything.