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>> Yo, what's up, Nick?
>> What's up, man? What you got? Okay. So today my goal um I want to make things try and make things a little bit more clear for everyone and everyone listening. So my goal is to demonstrate that God does change in the person of of Jesus Christ >> in his >> and therefore that God and therefore that God does undergo change >> in his essence. He changes.
>> No he he h he changes in hypo his hypoatically under goes change.
He doesn't go through >> he go that's a change in his person. So he's now a composite. Okay. So I want to make again I know some people in the chat were asking me. So before he incarnated he's one you could call it maybe simple divine person right? You can just imagine that by becoming human things get more comp complex um because the person is no longer simply a divine person a divine agent.
It's it's a composite hypostasis.
Composite meaning, you know, composed of.
>> That's okay. What I want you because you showed me you said in the chat you're going to show me St. John at masses and them. Uh, show me what they mean by composite cuz I can guarantee you didn't actually you just saw the word composite and you think St. John at Damascus means composed by it. So, go ahead and show me that what he means by compos.
>> Yeah. Ambiguum 42. God fulfilled for our sake the truly new mystery of his incarnation here again and and this is the key word God innovated and to innovate you know to change something new his human nature in terms of its mode or tropos hypoxio that's the not its principle not the logo >> created the human nature yes the human nature is created >> this where we were I think talking past each other a little bit I didn't mean to say that his divine nature underwent change the divine essence itself All Maximus said in that quote was that his human nature changed. His human nature is created, >> right? But the fact that he's now in a new mode of existence.
>> Where does it say he's in a new mode of existence now?
>> Well, St. Maximus talks about that >> where >> what what it says right there.
>> Where where does he say the person enters a new mode of existence?
The you mean the hypostasis there?
>> Yeah. How do you say that?
>> Well, I can give you St. John St. John Damascus saying that.
>> Okay. Show me St. John where he says that the the person enters a new motivation.
>> Easy. Easy. Chapter 7. The very hypoasis of God the word was changed into the hypoasis of the flesh. And the hypotheasis of the word which was formerly simple. Well, we'll go I'll go to it so I can show everyone on the screen together. John of Damascus >> came again. Yeah, I know it could be I'm not trying to confuse anyone. Nobody's confused. Book what?
>> Um this was a exposition of the Orthodox Faith uh faith book three uh chapter 7.
And again it's emphasizing that Christ is now in a new mode of existence.
>> Um I know it's chapter seven. I don't know which exact paragraph.
Uh let's let's see.
>> Yeah, in another in another place he even says the hypothesis of the word formerly simple.
>> Okay, I have it on the screen. Uh >> became composite.
>> All right, got you.
>> Uh matter of fact, I I can just control F it. So you said changed, right? Is one of the words.
>> Okay, I'll just control F it.
in his person. It's not that his divine nature became less perfect or you know it it's not about that and this is where I can get the language has to be it sometimes has to be kind of >> funny. I looked up changed and the very first thing that I that I see is that God should become man and the word became flesh without being changed.
That's funny. Okay, let's keep going.
Let's try to find the quote you're talking about.
>> That's not addressing what I said though, Nick. You're just throwing that out there, man. Come on.
Okay. So you said he says what exactly what were his words?
>> So St. John Damascus multiple times affirms this. So he says the very hypoasis of God the word was changed into the hypostasis of the flesh.
>> It doesn't say hypostasis. It says subsistence.
So you just lied on that.
>> Which translation are you using?
>> Every I can get you the physical book and it's going to say it too.
>> Okay. Okay. Well, but then it goes on to say, "And the hypothesis of the word which was formally simple became compos became compound or composite."
>> No, it says subsistence.
>> Say hypothesis.
>> This is dialys. You affirm what I'm saying, >> dude. It doesn't say. What? Where are you reading it from?
>> What's your source?
>> St. John Damascus. Nick, you agree.
>> What website are you reading this? I don't understand what you're disagreeing with, dude. I have the book in front of me. What website do you disagree with this on?
St. Maximus and St. Damascus.
>> What website are you on reading the same on the Orthodox faith? Because you asked me what translation I'm reading. I'm reading off of New Advent. Where are you reading from?
>> From New Advent. Okay. This >> Bro, what website are you reading it from, dude?
>> Well, this was from It was a Orthodox Christian Theology.
Orthodoxchristian Theology.com.
Yeah.
>> Okay. Let's go to Orthodox Christian Theology. I'm so confused. Where do we disagree though? It It sounds like you maybe disagree with me.
>> Subsistence doesn't mean hypoasis, dude.
>> But you affirm that Christ is now a new composite hypostasis. That's That's >> okay. I'm going to go to Orthodox Christian theology.
>> All right. Gotcha.
>> And let's see if we can we can find it.
>> Are you highlighting for people in the chat blog post? What? Sorry.
>> Are you talking about a blog post?
from >> Orthodox. I I don't see >> Are you saying it doesn't see anything?
>> Look, Orthodox I have it on the screen.
Orthodox Christian Theology.com on the Orthodox phase book three. I don't even see anything on here. Where the freak does Orthodox Christian Theology have the entire book three on there. Where?
>> Well, I'm reading from a I'm reading from like a paragraph from there.
Yeah. Where >> I'm just trying to help the chat I'm just trying to help the chat understand that Christ God can undergo change.
>> Where is the God orthodox Christian theology.com what >> um slash it's a long one. I mean two two one I think we're getting caught up in the weeds here Nick.
>> No we're not cuz you're you're lying on the call. It doesn't say what you said.
So I want to see where you're actually getting this from. So >> wait. So >> what I didn't lie.
>> Okay. If you if you didn't lie, then you should have no problem. Okay. If you didn't lie, then you should have no problem with us finding the quote.
>> This isn't even my physiophys.
>> You should have no problem with us finding the quote. Where is it at? We want to find it. Help us find it.
Orthodoxchristian Theology.com. What did you search up to get this slash202120?
We'll go to it.
Okay.
>> Orthodox question.
>> Wait, >> again, I'm not trying to confuse anyone in the chat.
>> Nobody in the I don't know why you keep like trying to like signal that you're so much smarter than everybody in the chat. Nobody Nobody in the chat is confused by what you're saying. Dude, you were sitting here before the live sitting here saying, "Oh, I I specialize in this. I don't want to confuse the chat." Nobody in the chat is confused by what you say. Let's just make that clear. Some people seem to imply that I meant that Christ underwent a change in his essential properties of the divine last time. Okay. 2021 and then what else?
>> 2021 slash slash7 slash30 >> 30 slash um all this is lowercase. C R I S TS and then uh a hyphen.
>> C R I S TS.
>> No, sorry. C H C H R I S Ts. Okay.
Hyphen hyphen hypostasis. Just the hy p o s t a s i s.
>> Yep. Um hyphen a n hyphen addendum. So, a d e n d u m and then another slash.
>> I'll show everyone >> that it's on the screen up here.
>> You can copy it just in case you see it up here on the screen.
>> But again, I'm not getting this just from the mask.
>> This is what >> I don't think you can see. I don't think you typed in the right thing, bro.
>> Okay. What What did I type in wrong?
I mean after the.com it's slash2021730 again I don't think this is even re is necessary but slash so you slash Christrists you know and then hyp and then hyphen hypostasis hyphen an hyphen addendentum slash I don't if if nothing shows up then I don't know what to tell you. Uh, >> but it's not just from him.
>> Switch some some words around here.
Let's see.
>> So, you're saying he says subsistence instead of hypostasis?
>> Yes, I literally showed it on the screen.
>> Okay, I'll show it on the screen again, too.
>> Again, the idea that Maximus is trying to con and Damascus are both trying to convey is that Christ did undergo change while remaining fully God.
Three chapters up say that God the word underwent no change.
>> He you're right. He underwent no change in his essential or essential properties.
>> Where where did he say that when he said >> because that's some people in the chat were asking. That's where there's no change.
>> Let's go to the quote again. Let's go to the quote again. Okay.
>> Okay.
>> He said in the very first quote >> Yeah.
>> And the word became flesh without being changed. Where does he where does he say anything about specifically in his essence?
Uh I'm not sure.
>> Okay. So if he said it's doesn't being changed, what does he mean by this given the context?
>> He means that the change was in the person, not the nature. The simplest way I can describe this because it's very complex is there was a change in the person of >> substance. What is a subsistence?
>> And and well nature I would describe as maybe an individual concrete reality >> for a subsistence.
>> Are you saying are you saying what the what the definition of subsistence is.
>> Yeah. What does subsistence mean?
>> I'm not sure off the top of my head if I can define that exactly.
>> Yeah. Um, bro, go study more, bro. I'm not going to lie. Like, go study more, dude. Like, listen, it would be one thing if he came in here and he was like humble and he was like willing to learn. But if you're going to sit in my chat sitting there saying, "I'm a I'm a specialist in this topic. I know you guys might be confused because I've done more research than anybody on this. It's my specialty." You don't even know what subsistence means.
How are you going to talk about the hypoatic union? Yeah, he's like he's like fake humble, bro. It's so I can't stand people that like piety signal like that. Oh, no. No. I'm just trying to be nice. No, you're not. You're you're trying to act like a know-it-all and it's embarrassing. So, go study more, dude.
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>> All right. Hello.
>> Hey, what's up?
>> What's going on?
>> What's up?
>> I'm good. Um, so would you agree that in order for someone to be a true prophet, he must worship the same God as the previous prophets?
>> Yeah.
>> And would you say that the God of that the previous prophets worshiped is a triune God?
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. And so Jesus, he only worshiped the father. He didn't worship the trying god. So therefore, >> depend >> like um praying to doing things in the name of God.
>> Praying to >> Yeah.
>> Praying to what? Praying to >> praying to isn't worship.
>> Okay. Well, however you define worship, who did Jesus worship?
>> The father. if you're just defining as the highest form of honor and we believe the father is the same god as the son.
So it's not a different god.
>> Okay. But I'm I'm I'm talking about when I say um same god in terms of identity like who god is. That's what I'm trying to say. And so the previous prophets they worship >> different god by definition would necessarily mean there is more than one god. There's not though.
>> I know. But I'm saying um you're using um same god differently than how I'm using. I'm saying like same god in terms of like who god is like worship >> cuz that's not you don't when we worship God we don't say if I worship the father and then I say I worship the son I don't say I'm worshiping different gods >> that would never be the case to how we use it >> well actually um it's the same how like you could actually say I'm I'm not the same human as another person >> what you can say you're not the same human as another human because you have a different particular instantiation >> okay so could could you also say for like the attributes that aren't separated by time and space could You also say that the attribute it does it's um not the same attribute as another attribute even though they're not um even though they're not separated.
the the attributes they have different personal attributes the father son and holy spirit if that's what you >> I know I know I'm saying I'm saying like a particular attribute like let me give you an example um love like for example love is not the same attribute as grace right could you say that even though they're not um separated >> you can't say that >> no I think they can have different like they they are the same thing but the way they affect is different I think God's love is what gives grace so >> well I thought I thought you believe like essence. I I don't know. I thought you like from like essence energy.
>> I do. You have to understand what essence energy distinction is, though.
We believe the energies are both one and many. We believe they're many because they can be called different things via the different effects they have, but we believe they're also one in ontology.
>> So, I thought I thought in a sense you could say like um for example, love isn't the same attribute as grace. You can't say that >> if you're referring to the effect they have. Sure.
>> Okay. Okay. So, you just I just gave you I just gave you an example.
>> But the way you're saying it, you're saying they're literally different attributes. They're not.
>> You just said they are in a sense.
They're not the same attribute, >> dude. In the effect they give.
>> Okay. So, in a sense, in a sense, two things can um not be the same um attribute even though they're not separated. So, why can I not also say that the father is not the same god as the son even though they're not separated?
>> Because to say that they're different gods, you would have to say that they're different in ontology. And so if you're going to say they're different ontology, I would ask you what is your substantiation for that?
>> I know, but like you just said for the attributes like they both fall under the category of attribute. Yet you as you said in a sense you could say they're not the same attribute.
>> Yeah. If you're talking about their effect. There's no effect that God has that the father has that the son has that is different.
>> Bro, you are I know but you're saying that you already agreed in the sense that love is not the same attribute as you already said.
>> Why? Because the effect can be different. There's no thing that the father can do that the son cannot do where the effect will be different.
>> Okay. But you said in a sense, bro. You said in a sense.
>> In a sense. Because a different effect.
What different effect do the father and son have?
>> Wait, can you I'm kind of confused. What do you mean by effect? Can you say that?
>> Oh, dear God, bro. Take care, bro. Take care. Oh, now we don't know what effects are.
>> Dear Lord have mercy, bro.
I mean, what are we what are we doing?
Genuinely, what are we doing?
Oh, Lord have mercy. Okay, please only come if you disagree and you actually like have a good argument. I beg you.
>> Hello.
>> Hello. How are you doing?
>> What's up?
>> What's up? Huh? Uh, what's going down?
>> Nothing much, man. What you got?
>> Okay, this what I got. Uh are you uh let's talk about Braso.
>> Do you think Braso is uh giving worship to somebody?
>> Yep.
>> Oh okay. So when Moses was given proos this is worship to him.
>> Which verse >> you said what?
>> Which verse?
>> Which verse?
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. Let's go to it.
>> Okay. Sure. Which verse?
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>> No, I won't like the live. Wow, Mario, that's crazy, man.
>> Yo, >> what's up?
>> So, when you say Christian, you mean Orthodox Christian like yourself?
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. Didn't we conquer you?
>> Uh, you conquered a jurisdiction. No, you didn't conquer orthodoxy. No.
>> So after 1453 when we established instin when we appoint Gennady Scolarios with the establishment of the Barat and Pisky system, we did not we we simply just conquered a jurisdiction.
>> Yes. Quite literally.
>> Do you not jurisdiction jurisdictions?
>> That's fine. Yeah, I can grant you that.
But Constantinople was a big player though, right?
>> They're all the same amount of players.
They're not one's not bigger than the other.
>> So it wasn't the Sea of Christendom.
>> Every every single jurisdiction is called the sea. They're all seas. A C se is another word for jurisdiction.
>> So unlike you guys, we're centralized, right? That's why the Sultan reigned for so long.
>> So my point is that like isn't Constantinople, didn't it have some type of sway? Didn't it have political authority? Wasn't it like like major player within Eastern Christianity?
>> Uh it's the same player as every other jurisdiction orthodoxy.
>> So the fact the emperor lived there didn't mean anything.
>> No, it has no no effect on there being uh because the only thing an emperor can do is he can call in a council. Uh every other jurisdiction has to also be there with the council though. So that has nothing to do with it.
>> Okay. Well, speaking of that, right, the emperor helped with the councils, whatever. Why did Mehmed II held to fear a council to reject the filioquay?
>> Which council?
>> Yeah, there was a sad held right shortly after um the union aids fell >> where all the anti- schismatics.
>> I don't know the exact name of it, but it did happen.
>> I don't know which council you're talking about then, brother, because there's multiple councils that addressed uh that address that. Council Florence is one of them.
Wait, wait. Council Florence addressed the Council Florence.
>> Council Florence addressed the Filioquay.
>> Well, I'm not talking about the Filioquay. I'm a I'm a I'm a Muhammadan.
Right. So, here's the thing.
>> Then what are you saying the council addressed >> to reject the union with the Western Christians?
>> On what basis?
>> The second, >> excuse me.
>> On what basis did they reject it with the West?
the fact that to not unite with them in so far as maybe some doctrinal differences.
>> What were the doctrinal differences?
>> I mean, I'm not I'm not a Christian. I'm not here to answer.
>> Okay. I'm not a Christian though.
>> So, why did you mention then?
>> I mentioned Filioqua. Did that come out of my mouth?
>> Let us rewind.
>> No, not me. Like, this guy is not real.
>> Let us rewind.
>> Okay.
Speaking of that, right, the emperor helped with the councils, whatever. Why did Meet the second help to your council to reject the fil?
>> Oh, okay. Okay, there you got me.
>> Oh, okay.
>> Yeah, you got you got me. Yeah.
>> Yeah, I got you, bro. Go do some more research, bro. Slow as freak, dude. Good lord, y'all. So, dang. Y, bro, I'm telling y'all, these people like don't know what they're talking about.
How do you say something 10 seconds ago and forget?
This is so embarrassing for the Muslims.
Like this is like Muslims are genuinely coming on here and embarrassing themselves.
This man doesn't know anything about orthodoxy. Oh, didn't Isn't Constantinople like bigger than is it better than the other seas? Isn't Aren't they called the sea? They're all called seas.
Why is a Muslim trying to argue ecclesiology with me? Like, you're going to win that.
A Muslim is not about to know more about ecclesiology than me, bro.
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Don't be scared. I Sultan, I'm so scared of someone who literally forgot what they said 5 seconds ago. Yeah, I'm frightened, man. I'm frightened of a guy who has amnesia for sure.
>> Hello.
>> Hello. Hey, I just had a quick question if that's fine or I can wait to the end of life.
>> Sure. What's up?
>> Uh, so I just conferred to uh Christianity a couple days ago from agnosticism and I was wondering um um like are you are you you're Orthodox, correct?
>> Yeah. And also thank you Aaron. I see you in the chat Aaron. Thank you bro.
But yeah.
>> Um, so uh what is the difference between if you have time like what is the difference between orthodox and Catholic and Protestant and why do you think that your specific denomination is correct if you don't mind me asking?
>> Uh orthodoxy is different from Protestantism because we would hold to more of an infallible church view.
Orthodoxy is different than Catholicism uh because uh we reject the filioquay and the papacy. Uh the difference is what you think the church taught in the first thousand years.
>> Okay.
>> So you just have to research the first thousand years. See what you think the church taught.
>> All right. Thank you, brother.
>> Yep. No problem, man.
>> Have a good one.
>> Yo yo yo.
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Thank you, Ted. God bless you, brother.
Appreciate you, my man. It's good to see you in here, brother. Ted, good to see you here, my man.
Does Eio truly reject the papacy? Don't they affirm he's the real bishop of the Rome? Oh, dear God. Oh, dear God.
Okay. Exodus.
Okay. Exodus. What?
the 33.
>> Okay.
>> Number eight.
>> Verse eight.
>> Uh 8 and 10. 8 to 10.
>> Which ver which verse specifically did they worship him?
>> Uh pro I I I think it's in number eight.
But read to 10.
>> Okay.
Uh, let's see.
Exodus, I got to pull up the Greek and then we'll read a verse 10.
All right. So when it was whenever Moses went out of the tabernacle that all the people rose until he had gone into the tabernacle. And it came to pass when Moses entered the tabernacle that the pillar of cloud descended. So did the door of the tabernacle and the Lord talked with Moses. All the people saw the pillar of cloud standing at the tabernacle door and all the people rose and worshiped.
What do you think? You think they was worshiping Moses, bro? You think they was worshiping Moses?
You don't think maybe they was worshiping the pillar of cloud that descended where Yahweh was talking to Moses?
>> Okay. Go to Exodus.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Take care, man. Watch ahead, bro.
W the The reading comprehension is at a truly at an all-time low. It it is truly at an all-time low.
Wrong one. Yeah. Okay. Larby, go study some more. Come back when you can uh actually actually study.
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>> Yo, hello.
>> What's up?
>> What's up, Nick? How are you?
>> I'm good. What's going on?
>> Okay, I have a question. In the Christian belief system, is anything that God says morally right?
>> He says everything God says morally right >> or God commands rather.
>> Yeah.
>> Everything that God commands is morally right. Correct.
>> Yeah. Specific in that within that commandment. Yeah. Within when he said to do it. Yeah.
>> What do you mean within that commandment?
>> Like if he tells someone to go and uh I don't know unal alive someone, it doesn't mean everyone can now unal alive someone. It means that he specifically it's for that individual to go unal alive someone. Oh, within the context, you mean?
>> Yes.
>> Okay, perfect. I want you to open up Deuteronomy uh chapter 22.
>> Okay.
>> Verses 28 onward.
All right.
Jeremy 28 22 28-23. If a man finds a young woman who is a virgin who is not betrothed and seizes her and lies with her and they are found out, then the man who shall lay with her shall give to the young woman father 50 shekels of silver and she shall be his wife because he has humbled her and he shall not be printed divorce her all her days. A man shall not take a father's wife nor uncover his father's bed.
>> Okay. So the morally right action after a man grapes a woman is to marry.
>> Who says grape?
>> What's the word there?
>> What do you What's the word for what?
>> What word? Just read out.
>> Which word is what?
>> Can you put the verse on the screen?
>> Yes. It says a man who seizes her, a man who li lay with her shall give the woman 50 shekels. And he seizes her and lies with her and they are found out.
>> What does sees and lie with?
>> It says and they are found out. Not he is found out.
>> Okay. What does seize mean?
>> It means to take hold of her.
>> Okay. Seize and lie. What does that mean?
>> Have sex with. So he takes hold of her and they have sex.
>> Okay. So this is not referring to grape.
>> No.
>> No. This is referring to verse 26 talking about grape.
>> What do you mean verse 26?
>> You didn't read the chapter.
>> No, I didn't see the chapter.
>> You didn't know this chapter like you didn't know this chapter like literally already talks about it.
All right, let's go read the context.
That's why you got to actually read the context.
>> Wait, this thoseap 24 then he says is literally four verses prior. Then you shall bring them both out to the gate.
>> Uh or actually wait, we do verse 23.
>> Yeah. Yeah. No, verse 25. Okay. But if a man finds a betrothed young woman in the countryside and the man forces her and lies with her, then only the man who lay with her shall die. That's great. Verse 28 is about consensual sex. It gives both outlinings.
>> Oh, wait. So, he must marry her after he has consensual sex with her.
>> Yes, consensual sex. Yes.
>> But I have a problem with the wording.
Why does it say seize?
>> Because when you take you take it just means to take hold of a woman, which is typically what happens during sex. A man takes hold of a woman. Men are typically seen as the one who take hold of the woman. Like they're the the masculine ones, right? That's just a masculine pronoun to use.
Okay, that's actually a good response. I didn't think of that. I'll come back later with the harder things to refute.
>> Sure, no worries, man. Take care, bro.
Also, don't say I'll come back later trying to refute it. Just actually look into it, bro.
Like, that's our problem.
That's our problem. Y'all look at things to debunk them, not to find a truth.
That's the That's the problem.
Than would have found a super chat.
Deuteronomy 22:28:29 mirrors Exodus 22.
Seduction not grape seized means seduced and both are found together. Yes. Amen.
Amen. Than yes it's I mean it's a great point because it says and they are found out, right? It doesn't say and then he is found out. Says they are found out.
Why would What do you mean they are found out? The they is obviously preferring because they both did something. I think that's a great point.
Absolutely. Then h can't believe how I twist those verses.
Yeah, it's crazy, man. It's crazy.
Uh life and love are miracles. Yeah.
Amen. Amen.
It's a weak argument. Well, the thing is it's only an argument if you haven't actually read the prior verses. If you haven't, if you read the prior verses, you can clearly see what it means that in context, he gives both parts. He gives both consequences. What happens during grape? I'm insulting. I don't know why Sultan's still in the comments, bro. You already embarrass yourself, bro. Like, it stop trying to, you know what I mean? Like, stop trying to like save face, you know?
But he said, "What? What did I say?"
Filioquay not even 10 seconds ago actually.
Do you think there are contradictions in the Bible at all? Uh there can be scribal errors. I don't think there's any theological contradictions.
Modern day Saint Nick W.
We made you reject Florence.
Oh, you made us reject Florence.
H I might have to I might have to let let him back up for this.
I might I might have to do this just to embarrass him. I might have to just to embarrass him.
>> Spalarios. Just answer the question.
>> Dude, you you talked so fast.
>> Just answer the question. Who appointed >> so fast that we didn't even hear you?
>> Who appointed Scolarios?
>> What does Scolaris have to do with the Council of Florence?
He's your patriarch and he was the head of the anti-skmatics.
>> Who was who was the leay that went to the council of Florence and rejected it >> on behalf of Mark of Ephesus?
>> Was Mark of Ephesus? Was he was he was he hired by the Muslims?
>> Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Didn't he like avoid going to the meetings cuz kept refuting him?
>> What? No, >> dude. Yes. Like he literally say, "Oh, S, I can't go cuz I'm training. Sad, I'm sick. I can't."
>> Okay, Show me. Give me Show me that.
Give me the evidence.
>> Oh, so wait. Before I do, before I do, one moment. Before I do, you're rejecting that didn't happen.
>> Correct.
>> Wow. This guy rejected going >> Oh, you're an apostate to history.
>> Okay. So, show me.
>> Oh my gosh. So, not only do you reject that we >> You said you were going to show me once I answer.
>> Not only do you reject that your church committed simmon in order to stay alive.
>> Can you show me?
>> Dude, you are so >> Are you going to show me or not? Or you actually don't have any evidence for it?
Wait, so you reject that? That did happen.
>> I I for the fifth time. Yes. Are you going to show me or not?
>> Okay, let's go reach into the books.
>> Okay, this is sad.
>> This is sad. It's going to take me a minute cuz it's in a book.
>> Okay, we'll wait.
>> Do you want to wait? You don't want to engage on nothing else?
>> No, we'll wait cuz I don't want you to run from this. I want you to give me your proof.
>> You rejected going point. I made another point before this.
What was the point?
>> Don't run. Don't run. Give me the call.
>> No. Don't Don't run from the fact that your church committed simmon in order every time I ask someone for evidence of hell prevailed that they try to promise from Jesus.
>> Are you listen? Are you are you going to show me the quote or not?
>> What happened to Jesus's promise?
>> Are you going to show me the quote or not?
>> Did Jesus fail your church?
>> Yeah. So, this is what I thought.
>> I had to bring him up one more time to embarrass him. You know, I had to bring him up one more time to embar This happens pretty much every time that you know I ask someone for evidence.
Well, let's actually talk about something else so I can get you to, you know, not talk about it because I want you to forget that you actually asked me for evidence.
Boy, dumb as freak. Say goodio scalerios, bro. What the freak does he have to what does he have to do with rejecting Florence? That was Mark of Ephesus, dude. These people just say stuff.
>> Hey, what's up?
>> What's up? So, I'm not a Muslim, but I wanted to ask you, what denomination are you from?
>> Uh, I'm I'm Eastern Orthodox.
>> Eastern Orthodox. I respect it. I'm Oriental Orthodox.
>> Okay.
>> And I wanted to be some Protestants, but you're no good.
>> Yep. Not a Protestant, man. Appreciate it, bro.
>> I appreciate it, man.
H okay.
They got beat.
Yeah, Buddy ain't had no books, man. He ain't have no type of books.
There was not a single book he was going to he was going to pull up there. Not a single one.
It's pretty much what happens, man.
Muslims don't read history.
Unfortunately, if Muslims read history, they would believe that Christ was crucified. So, that's why they don't read history.
All right.
Yo, >> what's up?
>> What's up? Wait, I watched the bed with Jake, right? Um, did you just say God was a sort?
>> You said what?
>> Oh, yeah. I want you to bathe with Jake, right? You know, did you just say God was a sort?
>> Did I say God was a sort?
>> Yeah, I didn't hear you.
>> Well, we're saying that if you're using the term God in symbolic logic, it'll be referenced as the sort.
>> Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay. So you're talking about like an actual like criteria which provides a like of individuation >> spec in specifically in first order logic the term god is a sort that's what we're referencing.
>> Yeah, bro. Yeah, I got confused dude.
I'm sorry.
>> No problem. No problem.
History is haram. Yes, history is haram.
history is haram and also science is haram cuz uh if you look at history you'll also see or you look at science you'll also see that the hadiths are historically inaccurate as freick.
If the hadiths were scientifically accurate I'll just tell y'all this. If the hadiths were scientifically accurate, uh there would be there would be no there would be no dang near no sickness in Middle Eastern countries and Islamic countries because of some of the things that Muhammad says about the cures to those things.
But you know, I guess they just don't look into that or they don't care.
One of the two.
One of the two. All right, let's see. We got Hello.
>> What's up, man?
>> What's up?
>> Can you hear me?
>> Yeah. What's going on?
>> Oh, yeah. Uh, so a while I mean, are you just taking Muslims right now or are you also like taking like skeptics like agnost agnostics?
>> If you have a reason to prove Christianity, if you have you're able to prove Christianity, fall, sure, I guess.
I I mean I was mostly just interested in how like since I've heard you say before that you like the transcendental argument that that type of like line of reasoning. I wanted to know like how you would formulate it and why you think it's a good argument.
>> Um I typically use the argument for motion over the transcendental. So, but if you're talking about the trans argument is basically just saying that >> you can't have logic without a grounding is pretty much all it's saying, >> right? And then you would say that that grounding is what? Like God or like specifically like >> Yes. God >> or like like general theism or like like Christian, you know what I'm saying?
>> The first mover, >> right?
Okay. And so that that's the thing that I'm kind of like hung up on. So what what would be like I think this kind of like a standard question. What would be like what would stop an atheist say to from saying like well uh it's just necessary that logic is like there's no no like it's there's nothing that makes us believe that it needs like a grounding or something.
>> It's necessary that it doesn't need a grounding. I would ask for the evidence the justification for that claim.
>> No, not necessary that it doesn't need a grounding. It's just necessary and therefore like >> okay what's your justification?
>> Uh yeah that's that's usually like what people ask too. Um uh I don't know if you like you know grandy but I think he also has a kind of idea that once you like reach this level of mentality like something is necessary asking what why it's necessary it's kind of just missing the the point right cuz what it means to be necessary is just like >> um you don't you can't fail to be to be so like um >> yeah but why can't someone well why are you well >> how do you know it can't fail to be so like what is like how do you know that because if if you say I don't know then okay any I'll say everything's necessary and then now what >> yeah right that's that's that's kind of the point that um at least at that uh at that kind of level of of explanation the atheist and the theist are going to be in a tie cuz both of both of you are just going to say that what explains this thing is some kind of like necessary thing or just like necessity itself >> how do you determine what is necessary and what is not necessary what is a symmetry breaker for in in regards to what exactly?
>> Anything. How do you how do you regard how do you know something is necessary?
>> Oh yeah, that's a that's a pretty good question. So I I guess like to play a little bit the devil's advocate um it would be kind of the same strategy as a theist would make like um there is it's like it would like um say like you pause it within your theory that there is this thing that called God that is necessary that grounds logic. I'm asking you according to you, not according to me.
According to you, >> according to If you say that this is necessary without God, how do you deter how do you Okay, just how do you determine something is necessary in general without God? How do you determine something is necessary in the first place?
>> Uh, usually it's just kind of like um through like your reasoning is like um maybe some kind of like contingency argument, you know. So uh there's like uh this world contingent things and whatever grounds those things can be contingent thing. So therefore something is necessary that grounds all those contingent things that would be like a route you can make.
>> How do you determine though which things ground them though that that are necessary?
>> What do you mean which things? Like >> like you said logic for example is necessary. How do you determine whether something is necessary or is not necessary? We just use logic. How do you determine logic is necessary?
Well, one right you can think is you could kind of like just posit it like all right, but I don't think that's such a good move to make.
>> So, you could just but not give any justification.
>> Uh, no. Well, I say that's not such a good move to make, but I do want to point out that that's probably like the same thing that the TS would do.
>> Just say we don't just say God exist. We don't just say God exists and then we don't answer why. Nobody says that.
Rob, are you going to positively that God exists and that he's necessary?
>> We explain why he's necessary though. We explain why he's necessary, >> right? Exactly. So, uh, >> but if you don't explain why lo if you don't explain why logic's necessary, then >> well, okay, let's try to go this route.
Say like there you can't really like say like the impossibility of like a contradiction. It's just like at least that basic kind of law of logic. The law of notation, it definitely seems like there's no possible word where like a square can be both square and a circle at the same time. So therefore, at least like >> if logic exist, there's no way for that to happen. But how do you know that that's necessary? You're begging the question until you actually give an explanation.
>> Uh, sorry. How how am I get how am I begging the question?
>> Because you're saying, "Oh, well, just it seems like there can't be a square circle." Well, that's because of logic.
But you have to first prove logic is necessary in every possible world.
Bro, I don't I don't think I'm quite following >> to say something the case because of logic. You have to know that logic is necessary in every possible world.
>> If you're going to say it's not possible because of logic.
>> Well, I mean, I think that's that's just kind of like the case in every kind of in every kind of like theory or worldview. like kind of like actually manifest at the at the bottom that you just like have to work with you know and that's exactly what I was like like the ultimate like the trans aring at best I think like once you go through all those steps what it would establish is that you like in order to be a rational person like to generate like true true ideas and such and such you have to believe in God but it doesn't necessarily establish that God is actually like a real thing like out there in the world, you know.
>> Well, it first is proving that it has a necessary grounding. Then once you get past that argument, then you get to that. But if I were you, I would do some research on why you consider logic to be necessary and all that. And then once you actually have your justification, we can come back and, you know, talk about it more. But I appreciate you hopping up, man.
>> Yes, sir, man. Have a good one.
>> Yeah, you too.
All right. Ultra Instinct with a final super chat. Hey, Nick. Hope you have a blessed day. Would you take the opportunity to do debates like Jubilee or Dr. Dive type videos like Lady Logic did. Yeah, definitely. You know, it'd be pretty cool. I'm not going to lie. It'd be pretty cool to do like a uh to do like um like 30 Muslims versus like one Christian and the Muslims try to disprove the Trinity or something like that. That'd be pretty cool. That That would be pretty cool. That'd be fun. I would definitely do that though for sure.
Yo, >> what's up?
>> Smack the dog [ __ ] out of you, bro.
Like, I'm be real with you.
>> That's what's up, man. That is what is up, bro. All right.
Uh, 30 on one. You could probably You could do 100. It don't matter.
Someone gonna have to uh someone gonna have to email uh Dr. Dy or whoever the fur dy. What is his name?
What is his channel's name? I think it's Dr. D or something like that.
Got to email him. Tell him to bring me on, man. I'll come through.
Lady Logic was on it. She cooked. Facts.
100 Christians versus Nick. Oh, heck no.
I can't handle that many, man. It's too many.
I like the Tik Tok invasions doing other lives. How often you do them? Not as often anymore because people sometimes don't let me up and they know it's me, etc. Dr. Da. Wait, what's his name?
Wait, what's his name? Hold on.
Or what's the channel name? Wait, let me see. Uh, one.
All right. Wait, let me see. Oh, it's just Dr. D. Ch. Thought it was Dr. Dive.
Said Dr. Dof.
Oh man, y'all so funny, bro.
Oh, it's a she.
What do you mean it's only for women?
Is it really?
Hey, you know, good for them. Good for them if it's only for women, man. That's pretty cool. They need a you know, just a woman channel, man. That's pretty cool.
>> Just put a wig on.
Yeah, it does look like only women channel. That's pretty cool, man. It's cool they got like a only woman channel.
That's That's cool. It's pretty cool, bro. That's so funny.
I thought it was I don't know why I thought it was a Muslim. I think I just seen D and it like sound like Daif.
Damn, that's not inclusive. For real.
Put a wig on. I'm saying hey, who going to stop? Hey, who going to say? Listen, I What is it? What is the word they use?
They say I identify as a woman or something like that.
It's 2026, man. Who going to stop me?
Won't stop me.
Only woman. They must not want the channel to grow. No, the the Dr. D channel is is actually really good. Um, it looks like they got a lot of good views on there.
Your priest will stop you. I don't know about that one.
You can cancel them if they say no. For real.
For real.
You name what?
I don't know. I have to see, man. I don't know who be doing. I know. Who did Logic just debated someone?
Who did Logic just do a one-on-one with?
He did. I know Logic just did a one-on-one with someone. I don't know uh who he did it with though. I don't remember or I don't know whose channel it was on.
Y'all would know. I don't think it's actually released yet. But no, it wasn't Hamza.
Abu. Yeah. Abu Nori. How you say his name? Nori.
I don't know what channel they were doing it for, though.
No, not Abu Norori. No, not Abu Norori.
He just did a one-on-one with somebody like a like a sitdown talk like a like in person.
I saw it online. Someone posted a picture of it.
It was on X. Wait, it was on X. Hold on.
Let me who posted it, bro? I forget.
Uh, who the freak posted it, bro?
No, it wasn't Lra. It was a debate. It was a Muslim.
See, y'all give me wrong info, man.
I don't remember, man. I don't remember.
I forget.
It's not LRA. Promise. It was a debate.
It's not Larae.
It hasn't even been released yet.
I don't I wish I remember the guy's Twitter.
I wish I remember the guy's Twitter who posted it cuz I don't remember.
Yo, this bro, my Twitter's so funny, bro.
My Twitter's so funny, bro. Look at this YouTube.
Oh, that's funny.
Oh, Dr. Nasser. That actually might Nasser. How you say his name? I think that was who it was.
I think that was who it was.
I think that was who it was.
Yeah, I think you're right. I think it was Dr. Naser, however you say his name.
I do believe.
Oh, he believe.
All right. See what we got.
See this person connects.
Sneo reached out to God Logic. I seen God Logic DMs him. That's what Sneo said. But okay, this person's not connecting. I don't know what's up with him.
I don't know what's up with him.
How do you spell it? I don't know.
I don't know.
Uh I'm still gonna see if I can find the tweet, though.
I probably can't. Such a random account.
There's no way.
Probably. No way.
Jesus loves you. Amen.
Got Logic on a Sneo stream. That would be crazy. That would be insane. Man, Sneaker would get fried.
>> Those are IPs. Okay, let me >> What's up?
>> Hello.
>> What's up?
>> I have a question. I have reason. Yeah.
How you can God Jesus have testical like you? You think that's logical?
>> Yeah, cuz we're made in his image.
>> Because this word be logical for beings or something.
>> No, we're made in his image. There's no issue with him taking on our flesh. Why the Jewish not believe Jesus? You know why?
>> Why did the Jews what?
>> Why?
>> I don't know what you're asking. Why did the Jews?
>> God, not man, not women. Why God become man?
>> You got I Your audio in the background is crazy, bro. You don't have to come back up, please. When you don't have crazy audio, I found a tweet though.
This was it.
This was it.
That's what That's what I was talking about.
Eric with the 20 get the membership.
Y'all appreciate you. Go. Appreciate you, man. Got us 62% of the way to the goal. God bless you, Eric. Thank you very much, my man. Much appreciated.
Much appreciated, brother. Eric be carrying the channel, man. Telling you, Eric be carrying the channel, bro.
It's my goat, man. It's my goat. Simply put.
All right. See what we got.
>> Hello.
>> Good evening. How are you?
>> I'm good. What's going on?
>> Yeah. So, my whole thing with Christianity and I would like to see your response is if your scriptures are anonymously written, then it's blind faith.
>> If the scriptures are anonymously written, >> then it's blind faith.
>> Yeah. If we believe the entire Bible is anonymously written, that'd be an issue.
Yeah, >> it is anonymously written. Your first manuscript is 4th century anonymously written.
>> Our first manuscript is 4th century.
>> Your first full manuscript of the New Testament is fourth century. Yeah, >> brother. We have entire Bibles by the 4th century.
How is our first full manuscript?
>> What's the manuscript's name?
>> You mean the Codex's name? Yeah, >> it's Kodak Cyanaticus.
>> That's fourth century.
>> Yeah, that's an entire Bible. You think we didn't You think You think we have have an entire Bible by the 4th century, but we don't have one full manuscript before then?
>> No, you don't. You have John in the late 2nd, early 3rd, and before that, you don't have a single full manuscript of Mark, Matthew, or Luke.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah, man. Look it up. Uh, let's go to what is it? Uh, P is it P95, I think. Let me see.
>> Mhm.
I'll look it up with you.
>> Okay, sure. Go ahead.
P95 manuscript.
All right. Uh, let me see.
Is it or is it P75?
Let me see.
>> All right. So, it's not P it's not P98.
P98 only has verses 1 to 13 to 2 to1.
>> What did you say the next one was?
>> We have We can look up either P46 or P75. I'll do I'll do a P46 first.
>> Let's do that.
>> Okay. Dated to the uh second to 3rd century.
>> Yeah. How is that not a full manuscript?
>> I mean, how big is it? Let's have a look again.
This is it right here. I show it on the screen.
>> Right. So, it has >> not a full manuscript >> of the full New Testament.
>> You think a full manuscript means the entirety of the New Testament? Dude, >> I'm saying your first full manuscript of the Bible is 4th century.
>> That just means that's when we compiled them all together. Like what?
>> Yeah. You Yeah. You like You don't have all of Mark. You don't have all of Luke.
You don't have all of Matthew until the 4th century. Show me, >> brother. I'm saying what do you consider a full manuscript?
>> Every chapter of Mark.
>> Okay. Do we have every chapter of John prior to this?
>> You have it late 2nd to early 3rd century, I think. We do have so we do have full manuscripts before John before the 4th century.
>> John I've just said you have of John.
What about of Mark?
>> You said the whole Bible was anonymous.
>> Yeah. Even that's anonymously written.
Even P66 is Even P66 is anonymously written. I'm talking about >> brother. We literally know the disciples of the of John. What do you mean?
>> I'm saying your manuscript is anonymously written. Are you saying because there's not the Are you saying because it's not the word written by John on a manuscript? Dude, >> I'm saying you don't know who wrote P66.
>> Do you think because you don't have the wording this is from John on there that it means we don't know who wrote it?
>> No, I'm saying that John lived in the first century. Your first full manuscript of John is late 2nd, early 3rd century. So John couldn't have possibly written.
>> That means that was when it was discovered. Yeah.
like over a century later.
>> If it's discovered later, does that prove when it was written?
>> Listen, I concede or I grant that the originals were written in the first century. You don't have them. You don't have the second century. And what you do have from the second and third, >> how does that prove that they were written anonymously originally? Because we don't have them.
>> Because you don't know who wrote those papyrus. That's my point.
>> Okay. If we okay the papyrus that we see in the 4th century we agree that that is going to be a copy. So scribes copied that down.
>> I'm saying how does that prove the original? How did that prove that the original wasn't written by John though?
>> You don't have an original. That's my point.
Manuscript is fourth century.
>> Okay. In the first century when people were quoting the book of John and they were quoting Matthew etc. >> What were you have no manuscripts?
>> You have no manuscript.
>> Okay. What was the dedicay quoting from?
>> You have no manuscripts. That's what I'm saying. It doesn't matter what they were called.
>> What was the dedic?
>> What was the dedicate quoting from then?
>> You may have had at the time manuscripts in circulation. You may have had an oral tradition, but none of them survived.
>> Oh, great. So, you agree there were probably stuff there in the first century. They just didn't survive. So, what does that prove that they didn't survive?
>> It proves that whatever you have left is anonymously written.
>> Yeah. We don't know the scribes. Amen.
We don't know the scribes that wrote it down. How does that prove the Bible the original How does that prove the originals that don't exist anymore weren't written by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John?
>> Unverifiable information because it's from unverifiable people.
>> Okay. Can we verify Ignatius of Antioch?
>> Why should we trust these scribes for the word of God?
>> Can we verify of Antioch existence?
>> I don't know.
>> Can we verify? So, do you know do you know we can verify that he's a disciple of John?
>> I don't know.
>> Okay. What about Polycarp?
>> I'm not all knowing. Right.
>> Have you done any research? Have you done any like research into the first century disciples or like literally none?
>> Not much really to be honest. But I'm here to talk about we know the disciples. Ignatius was a disciple of John. We know the disciples of John. And they talk about how he in fact did write a gospel called the Gospel of John.
>> You have no manuscripts.
>> That doesn't matter because we have addestation. We have primary addestation. It does.
>> Okay. So it does matter.
>> So So primary addestation doesn't mean anything?
>> It really does matter.
>> Wait. Wait. So primary addestation doesn't mean anything.
>> Primary addestation of what? The entire Bible >> of the Gospels.
>> Does he quote the entire Bible?
>> Oh my god. What? I I'm saying primary addestation that he said that John wrote John.
>> Okay. John wrote John. Your first manuscript of John is late second to early third century. How do you know that the scribe that wrote that is accurate to what John wrote? How >> because because we have because we have quotations of the gospels ranging all the way back to the first century.
>> The entire thing.
If you if you go to the third century, we pretty much have quotations of the entire thing. We can make up the entire thing. Yes. You have the entirety of the whole New Testament from the first word of God.
>> By the third century, we have everything. Yes.
>> By the third century. Okay. Written anonymously. Yeah.
>> No, not written anonymously. We know who wrote it. For example, for example, Ignatius of Antioch.
>> My friend, I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what. Name a manuscript and who wrote it and then I'll become Christian right now.
>> Okay. Aronyaeus against heresies.
>> Which manuscript did he write?
>> All of He wrote all of Against Heresies.
>> Name them. Name them. Go ahead.
>> What do you mean the man? It's called Against Heresies.
>> The manuscript is called Against Heresies.
>> Yeah, there's no manuscript names for Against Heresies, dude.
>> I know. So why you So why are you telling me >> you know? So why the freak are you asking for a manuscript?
>> I'm asking you for a manuscript. And who wrote it? So your information >> asking for a manuscript if you just said you know that there's no manuscript names for Against Heresies.
>> I'm asking you for a manuscript for the New Testament and who wrote it. I'll become Christian right now. Oh my gosh.
All the manuscripts we have, we agree are from scribes. I'm not arguing about that. I'm arguing that the originals were written by John because of primary addestation.
>> Name one scribe.
>> We don't need to name any scribes cuz we have primary addestation of John.
>> So unverifiable people writing unverifiable information.
>> Brother, does primary addestation prove that somebody wrote something?
>> No, no, no. No, no. I need a manuscript and I need to know who wrote it. If I'm going >> You need You need You need to know who wrote each manuscript.
>> I need to know who I need. Yeah, I need to know, my friend. How do you know that all these scribes >> you would know who wrote like the Birmingham manuscript?
>> I want to talk about Christianity. Let's talk about Christianity.
>> I'm I'm trying to be cons. Listen, I just want to be consistent here. That's all >> we could talk about Islam.
>> I just want to be consistent. I I just want to be consistent. We have a memorization tradition.
I'm talking about I want to be consistent here. Do you know who wrote the Do you know who memorization?
>> Do you know who wrote the earliest manuscript manuscripts? We have a memorization tradition.
>> Okay. Show me someone Show me who memor show me someone who had it memorized before the Birmingham manuscript.
>> We literally have, you know, the council where man burned the manuscripts of all the Quran. We have the names of the council. They're all memorizers.
>> Okay. Show me. Show me that and show me that they memorized it. Prove they had it memorized.
>> You want the list of names there?
>> Yes, I want the proof that they had it memorized. Yes, >> I'm happy to do that with you after we speak about Christianity, >> brother. Oh my god. Y'all can't be consistent, bro.
>> I want to talk about Christianity.
Islam as much as you want as all you want because you're running.
>> Then let's do it then cuz I'm asking you to be consistent. I've told you I listen I've told you my point about Christianity, dude. I've dude I've told you my view. Manuscripts are Oh my gosh.
Okay, great. Great. Yes. Yes. The the the scribes that wrote a lot of unverifiable >> Dear God, do you ever stop talking about Christianity? The scribes that do you ever stop talking? The scribes that wrote the manuscripts, a lot of them are anonymous. Amen. Now, I said a lot of them.
>> All of them.
>> Let's say all of them. Let's say all of them.
>> You have no idea who wrote any of your manuscript.
>> Fantastic. Great. Fantastic. Do you have any scribes that you know that wrote the Birmingham manuscript?
>> The Birmingham manuscript? No.
>> Oh, okay. Great. So, so both of our earliest our earliest manuscripts are all >> I've already explained to you which you don't want to understand. We have a memorization tradition. We've memorized every single word of it >> that we have a memorization tradition.
>> Prove to me that there were people there, bro. Prove to me there were people before the Birmingham manuscript that had memorized. Prove it.
Okay.
>> Okay.
Let's put up the list of council of people.
>> Even though you ran from your Bible, I'm sure.
>> And I hope guys, I hope he doesn't just say >> even though you roaded away from your Bible being anonymous.
>> Great. And I hope he doesn't just list the name and say >> that is that is all hearsay and blind faith that you ran away from it. I will now pull up the names.
>> Yes. Blind faith. Yes, we have anonymous scribes just like you guys have anonymous scribes. Wow.
We don't have anonymous scribes.
>> You can literally type into any AI. You can type into Google. You can type into Google right now. Give me the list of names of the memorizers >> before Birmingham >> in in the council of man where they um standardized the Quran.
>> Okay. I I'm waiting.
>> Fair question.
>> Yeah. I'm I'm just hoping you actually have justification as to how you know they actually memorized it. Sure.
>> Cops.
>> What do you mean a verification that we have that tradition?
>> Yeah. I'm I'm I'm saying I'm hoping you're not just going to list a name and say they memorize it. And I'm not going to ask you why they memorized it or how you know they memorized it. You're just going to say because they said so.
>> Okay. So, the scholars traditionally cited as the committee members appointed by man to produce the standardized musbah alman.
>> Okay. Just name one and we'll talk about one. Just give me one.
>> Oh, Zad Iben. He's the most famous things.
>> Zab Ibenfed, right?
>> Z A Y D IBM T H A B I T.
>> Okay. So, what is your evidence that this individual uh Wait, >> you said Thabit. Iben. Iben. What?
>> Zade. Iben. Thabit.
>> Zade.
>> T H A B I T.
>> Fabbit. You can even write after that compilation of the Quran. T H A B I T.
Okay. So, what is your evidence that he had the uh Quran memorized?
>> Right. Compilation of the Quran and go and research.
>> No, I'm asking you. What is your You said that you memorized it. What's your evidence, >> my friend? This is this is our tradition.
>> Great. It's your tradition. Give me justification for your tradition.
>> This is all like in our hadith. This is all in our like give me evidence tradition.
>> Okay.
It's literally, mate, it's like the first five links. You can literally look at it yourself. Why are you asking? Just do it yourself. Do it with me right now.
Do it with me right now. Yeah.
>> Clement. Great. And Clement of Alexandria memorized the entire New Testament, too.
>> Okay. Do you have any Show me one person who's memorized the New Testament?
>> Yeah. Clement.
>> Show me you have a memorization tradition. Clement Alexandria. Go >> on, bro. It's in like the first five links. Just look it up.
>> Prove you have one, bro.
>> It's in the first five links. Just look it up, dude.
>> We can produce people who've memorized it. You can't.
>> Yeah, I just produced one. Clement.
You can >> I just produced one of Alexandria entire world and I im will come out and he can recite the entire >> gave you one. Clement of Alexandria.
>> You guys don't have an oral tradition.
You guys manuscript traditional of Alexandria.
>> That's not a memorization tradition.
>> No memorized it. Yes, he did. That's one person who may or may not also cla >> prove it.
>> It's in dude, >> bro. It's in like the first five links.
>> All right. Show me the link.
>> No, it's in the dude. All you got to do is research it.
>> Let's do it together.
>> Exactly. So, this is exactly right now.
>> Let's do yours together.
>> Let's do it together.
>> I'm glad I'm glad you finally understand that you can't just say, "Let's just get the first five links." I'm glad it can't be evidence. Let's look at the proof then.
>> Okay. Thank you. So, please show me your proof. Thank you. Finally.
>> Yeah. Let's look at it together.
>> Okay. So, good. So, show me your proof.org.uk.
Would that be sufficient?
>> Would what be okay?
>> Islam.org.uk or we could go to Islam.
>> Islam.org.uk.
Okay. So, what what evidence islam.org.uk give? I'm on it right now.
>> Okay. Type afterwards type /cquran/compilation and then read it for the class.
>> Okay. Slash Quran slash compilation.
>> Which part?
>> Just read for the class.
>> Uh-huh. Which part specifically? Here I see th here. Recognizing the words of Allah need to be collected in one place preserved. Khalif Abu Bakr ordered all people who had written pages of the Quran to compile them in one place. The project was organized and supervised by one of the prophet Muhammad's key scribes, Zen Zed bin Thabit. So what what about what about this proves that he memorized the >> keep reading >> the process of the prawn from these various pages written in four steps.
Zade ben Thabot verified each verse with his own memory. Is that is that the part you're talking about?
>> Yeah.
>> So what's your what's your evidence that he actually had it all properly memorized?
>> Keep going. Keep keep reading.
>> Umarab verified each verse. Both men had memorized the entire Quran. Two or live witness had to testify the verses written in the in the presence of prophet Muhammad. The verified written verses were collated with those uh from the collections of other companions.
>> Great. So which of this proves that Fab actually had the proper memorization of it?
>> What proof are you looking for here?
>> Any evidence that he actually had it memorized?
>> What evidence? What evidence would you like?
>> Uh maybe him during the time actually being fact checked.
>> Well, on a what? On a camera phone.
>> Oh my gosh. Someone writing down >> eyewitness testimony.
>> I we have had Okay. Like honestly, man.
Honestly, >> show me eyewitness testimony.
>> Anyway, anyway, whether Islam is true or false, my friend, you have blind faith, >> brother. Show me eyewitness testimony.
>> Whether Islam is true or false, you have no idea who wrote your manuscripts.
>> Oh my god.
>> You have you can't verify who wrote anything >> because Islam.orgind says it's true.
>> Whether Islam is true or false, >> you have blind faith. You literally are saying because Islam.org says it is true.
>> Whatever Islam says, whatever I believe, I believe in leprechauns. Okay. I believe in leprechauns. Your scriptures are anonymously written, you have blind faith.
>> Oh, and so is the Birmingham manuscript.
Wait, and so is the Birmingham manuscript.
>> You have Cool, cool, cool. You have unverifiable information from unverifiable people. We have a memorization tradition. Cool. Prove they had the proper memorization.
>> We have a memorization tradition. Prove our proper memorization.
>> Our full manuscripts from the first century are word for word what we've memorized today.
>> Prove proper memorization.
>> Prove we have living people. We have living testimony.
>> I'm not asking about today. I'm asking prove that Zade had the proper memorization.
>> Okay. The best proof I can give you is the Muslims created a whole educational establishment about proving a chain from the prophet Muhammad to people who live today. A chain from the companion prophet who have all memorized it. My friend, you can go to an Islamic institution and they can give you a chain from the person inside who's a memorizer all the way up to >> you. Giving me a chain of people doesn't prove. Dude, you giving me a chain of people. If you're sincere, if you're sincere and you want this proof, if you're sincere and you want this proof, go to an Islamic institution. I have to mute him cuz he won't stop talking.
>> You giving me a chain of people does not prove that that chain of people actually had it properly memorized. You have to prove that. Give me some sort of primary cooperation.
Dude's probably still talking to himself right now.
doesn't even realize he's muted.
>> You admitted your scriptures anonymously written your own blind faith.
>> He left. That's what I thought. I'm telling you, Islam, if I could sum up Islam in one sentence, it's rules for thee but not for me. Oh my gosh, you have manuscripts that are anonymous.
That proves you have blind faith. Oh, okay. Wait, are you guys scriptures also anonymous? Well, well, yeah. Yeah, but but I can tell you who was around during the time.
Great. You have a chain of people that go from Muhammad to today. Fantastic.
That says that they memorized it.
Fantastic. Now, prove that they actually had it memorized.
Now, prove they actually That's like That's like me saying, "Okay, uh, we have Ignatius, we have Polycarp, and we have John." and they all had the Gospel of John memorized. And then he asks me, "What's your evidence?" And I say, "Well, it's a chain." Duh. Christian.org says it.
Obviously, brother Christian.org literally says it, man. Come on, brother. You should know this, man.
This is so insane.
I how can anybody possibly be Muslim after listening to these people, bro?
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>> Hello.
>> Hi, dear brother. How are you?
>> I'm good. what's going on?
>> Uh I hope that I could speak also with that guest because I am Arabic native speaker. I studied Quran very Christian believer in Jesus Christ and I know the you don't know how many lies he told and and praise the Lord that you were aware and knows that every evidence he tried to to throw it he has no evidence for it. He has nothing. Amen.
>> This is first. Second, uh there are today 20 different ria. We call it ria which means is different Quran from each other. 20 different officially >> they came look they have something is called the seventh letters. They they said the Quran written by seven letters and these seven letters became just one Quran because Otman who he mentioned he burned out all the different Quran and he kept just one. Now he said that people memorize it this is totally lies.
>> Amen. No one and and other thing is after he burn it and just keep one. He burned 12 and he keep just one. Either this one today it is 20 different rea 20 different Quran. Uh because there are seven uh letters became one Quran and from this one Quran there are 10 different reading and readers and each one of these 10 different readers there are two disciples who they read differently from the reader. Then today we came with conclusion of 20 different Quran. Lot of words are there. Lot of words are added and sometimes totally meaning change because this Quran are not typical of each other. I don't know how many of the people knows that. I'm sorry for taking all this time but I just want to >> appreciate you man. God bless you brother. I appreciate you man.
The other problem, brother, I'm speaking also uh German as well as English and uh of course I said it old Greek and old Hebrew and my native speaker is uh Arabic.
>> I know how they play with the translation of Quran in English and in German. I can prove it to show you what is original says in Arabic.
>> They change it. They change it horribly.
You don't know how much they they play in that >> uh to to just change the meaning and make it okay for foreigners.
>> I believe you man. I appreciate you hopping up brother. We going to move on to some guests that disagree. But I appreciate you bro. God bless you man.
Thank you for coming up dude.
>> God bless you. God bless you.
>> God bless you man. Also Jade appreciate the appreciate the the sunshine.
Appreciate that. Jade pe super chat.
Just because your book is perfectly preserved doesn't mean it's from God.
Chic Iban Albarth Earthman.
Heck yeah, bro. Amen. Even if it was perfectly preserved, why does that even prove? But it's not anyways. So irrelevant.
>> Hello.
>> What's up, bro?
>> What's up?
>> Yeah. How you doing, man? What's up, Nick?
>> I'm good. What's going on?
>> Give me I'll give you one good reason not to be contra uh Christian.
>> Okay.
You ready?
>> Yeah.
>> Contradictions in your Bible.
>> Like what?
>> If do you admit there's a contradiction in the Bible?
>> No theological contradictions? No.
>> Yeah, there is.
>> Okay, show me.
>> No theological, no but scribal errors.
Yes.
>> Okay. What about >> Can you explain it?
>> Yeah. Scribes might miswrite a number.
>> So it's not from God.
>> The scribes.
>> The scribes. No, the scribes aren't divinely inspired. No.
>> So I'm not talking about numbers.
>> Okay sir. Then well I don't think any other contri and if I give you one, would that show it's not from God?
>> Sure. Show me.
Matthew 23:35.
>> Okay. You said Matthew 23:35.
>> Yes, sir.
>> All right.
That you may come uh that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth from the blood of the righteous Abel to the blood of Zachariah the son of Barakiah whom you un alive between the temple and the altar.
>> So is Zachariah a son of Baraka?
>> Well, it depends. Are you talking about his bloodline or are you going to be talking about uh his brother? Because you do you know how it works when someone's father died?
>> Okay. So, is it the same one as in 2 Chronicles 24:20?
>> Well, yeah, but I'm asking, do you know how it worked in the Hebrew tradition when someone's father died?
>> Yeah. How did it work?
>> That the brother would be considered their father.
So is that your interpretation or is that >> Oh, that is like historically like that is historically true if you literally just look at like anything at all.
>> Okay. And 2 Chronicles 24:20.
>> What about it?
>> So are you saying Baruda is Jehovah's uh brother?
>> Yeah.
>> That's like just historical. I don't like what do we >> give me give me one give me one historical evidence that is Jehovah's brother.
>> Okay. If I show you this will you admit the Bible was not corrupted?
>> If you show me this I'll admit that that part is not corrupted.
>> Okay. Fantastic.
>> All right.
>> What?
But yeah, see you have some Christians say that this is scribe.
>> Brother, you're lagging like freak right now.
>> I know, man. It's raining, bro.
>> Hold on. Let me turn off my Wi-Fi.
>> Okay.
Can >> can you just bring up 2 Chronicles 24:20?
>> Oh, yeah. I'm going to show you in Zachchariah >> that he's called the son of Meriah as well.
>> Ev show me in Chronicles.
>> I don't need to show you in because what? Why would I need to show you in Chronicles? Oh, >> because in Chronicles, right, 2 Chronicles 24:20 shows that it's the same Zachchariah, a different father.
>> Okay. So, I can show you in Zechariah where he's literally called the son of Barakiah.
>> You mean in Matthew?
>> No, I mean in Zachchariah.
>> Show me.
>> Okay. Zechariah 1 verse one. In the eth month of the second year of Darius, the word of the Lord came to Zachariah, the son of Barakiah.
So, who's the one in 2 Chronicles 24:20?
>> I just explained it to you, dude. I'll I'll show it on the screen.
>> So, why is he called Zachariah the son of Barakia?
>> That's Jesus speaking.
>> What? This is Zachchariah, dude. What are you talking about?
>> In the eighth month of the second year, Darius, the word of the Lord came to Zachariah, the son of Berkayiah, the son of Idol, the prophet, saying, So, who's the one in 2 Chronicles 24:20?
I >> Dude, I ju I literally just explained it to you, dude.
>> But who's the one in 2 Chronicles with Son of Jehovah?
>> What was my explanation?
>> Who's that, though?
>> What What was my explanation, bro?
>> Who's that, bro?
>> What What was my What was my explanation? Can you please explain to me what my explanation was? Yeah, you said that that when the father passes away, the brother takes up the the fatherly figure.
>> So that means he could be referred to as having two fathers, right?
>> Yeah. But that doesn't prove that the one in 2 Chronicles, >> you have to prove they're different Zachcharias.
>> So are they different or are they the same?
>> We have no evidence that they're different Zachcharias. Please give me any evidence they are.
>> So So show me they're the same. because we have no evidence of the contrary.
>> So, are they the same?
>> Matter of fact, matter of fact, let let's say both circumstances. Okay, let's say they're the same and let's say they're two different people. Let's start off with your view. Let's start off with your version of the two different people. Let's say that. Okay, there's two different people. How do you know Matthew is not referring to this Zachariah in his quote?
>> And how do you know Matthew is not referring to the other Zechariah? I say >> so. You admit it's not a necessary contradiction because he could be referring to this Zachariah, right?
>> Yeah, but I say they're the same. You say they're different, >> brother. Let's say they're Let's say they're different or the same. Which one you want to go? I'll go to whatever one you want to go to. Do you want to say the same or different? Which one?
>> I say they're the same.
>> Okay. Let's say they're the same. If they are the same, is it possible in historical times for one person to be referencing two different subjects as two different fathers?
>> You mean the same person as two different fathers?
>> Having two different fathers?
>> Nah.
>> What? Okay. Okay. So when someone so when someone passed away historically and then their brother was taking care of the mother of the son, could the son say that that f that person was their father?
>> We No, but we'd say that's a stepdad of the brother. We won't say that's a biological.
>> I mean Hebrew culture I'm talking about.
>> Uh show me.
>> Oh my gosh, bro.
>> You still haven't showed me.
>> I'll show you. I'll show you. Brothers can be referred to as as fathers >> according to the Bible or the Talmud.
>> Dude, I'm just going to show you historically. That's Hebrew culture.
It's called a >> showing me, bro. Historically is not always correct, bro.
>> What, bro? Oh my gosh, dude.
>> Of course.
>> Historically. Oh my gosh, bro.
Historically, something could be wrong.
>> This is insane, bro. Historically, do we see people calling >> their father's brother's father?
>> I guess in Hebrew, you're saying they do, but I don't see that.
>> Okay. What is a yam?
>> This This is literally what it's called.
It's called a yum.
>> I don't know.
>> Okay. Well, it's I'm telling you it's called a yum in the Hebrew culture. You can research this yourself or I can show you. Yum is literally going to refer to the father's brother who takes over.
>> Okay, show me.
>> Okay, >> in scripture. Show me in scripture. Why are you showing me historically?
>> Oh my god, bro. Do you not Do you hate history?
>> I I I don't think that, dude. Oh my gosh. I don't think the Bible explains every historical aspect of things.
>> Yeah, the Bible's Cuz the Bible is not the word of God.
>> So the word of God explains everything in history, >> bro. The word of God >> to be the word of God, you have to explain everything in history. The word of God is the truth. Okay.
>> To be the dude to be the word of God, do you have to explain everything in history?
>> No.
>> So, so what's your point?
>> But the word of God is the truth. That's what I'm saying.
>> Okay. So, if I can show you historically that what they're talking about was historically said, how would it be false?
>> Okay. Show me.
>> I just did. It's called a yum.
>> That's the first time I hear that. So, it's not >> I know. So, go do some basic research, dude. Oh my good. Um like this is the second time today a Muslim no third time today a Muslim has come up having no clue anything about history.
We just said this earlier if a Muslim studies history they be they become Christian.
I mean, bro, this is just if I'm not 57 Google and showing we have the same thing in Islam as well. Kind of. I'm not surpris Well, dude. Dude probably hasn't even researched Islam either, so I'm not surprised. I mean, bro, how do you like not how do you not know the basics, bro?
And I'm not even going to say that that specific is basic, but it's basic if you're going to bring up that contradiction because that contradiction has a basic answer.
But people don't research like even ever so slightly ever so slightly. They don't they don't research things. Constant super chat.
Got to love how Christians are always given the task of proving everything through multiple metrics. Then they use A plus B equals C. I love double standards. Yep. rules for thee and not for thee every single time without fail.
Without fail. They ask Chad GBT and leave it at that. Yes, quite literally.
They say Chad GBT, give me some contradictions in the Bible and make sure that they are undefeable.
>> Hello, man. You right.
>> Hey, what's going on?
>> Yeah, I was just uh trying to comment on the person earlier who he spoke he said he speaks native Arabic.
>> Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
>> Yeah. I just want to >> Yeah, I was just trying to correct him because I appreciate hopping up, bro.
He's not here anymore, so that's irrelevant.
I'm walking on Why does it always happen when someone comes up, they try to come back up? I'm going to correct that guy, man. He was here 30 minutes ago, bro. Please, you don't need to correct him. I promise, man. He's gone.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Ain't no way this guy is just slow.
Yeah, it's kind of, you know, unfortunate, man.
Unfortunate to say the least. I'll give you another contradiction. No, John. We don't need another contradiction from you, dude. You need to go research and study. Nobody's taking you seriously after what you just said. Nobody. Even Muslims are in the comments saying you wrong, bro. Nobody's taking you seriously.
That dude going to take years off your life.
Nah, bro. I take care of my health. So having some do here and there ain't going to take nothing off your life. As long as you take care of your health, man. You need more arguments against Islam tool toolbox. I have them. I just don't need ever need to use them because they can't get past the easy ones. Y'all don't know how many I got in the chamber. Y'all literally have no clue because I don't use them. I don't never need to.
Jake cooked you. Okay, Hamzi, come up and tell me how he did. I would love to know.
I don't know why this Catholic. Oh, yeah.
What can they study if they believe everything is a lie goes against the Quran? Yeah, then pretty much all of history then, you know, can't take anything from history anymore.
I want to see Nick empty out the clip one day with Islam there. There's nobody good enough for me to do that against though. Like, there would have to be someone really good for me to do that against. So, I would have to like I don't know. I'm not because I'm not going to empty out the clip of crazy good arguments versus some random dude on here who doesn't know what they're talking about and that can't even get past the basics, you know? So, Junior is the best. Our goat. I know, man. Junior is the best.
Junior is the best. We ever do denomination debates discussions? I mean, yeah, I've done some in the past.
I just don't typically try not to because uh I talk with people in private about denominational stuff.
Although I do make it clear that orthodoxy is the truth and all should become orthodox.
Everyone should become orthodox.
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>> Hello. Yo.
>> What's up?
>> What's going on?
Doing good. I'm doing good. I wanted to ask you about like uh about sin. What do you think about like like how you guys believe about what sin is like? What is a sin to you?
>> Sin is transgression of the law. So you're transgress you go against what God commands of you.
>> Good. Good. So like so a baby you're saying >> yo I don't know what's going on with your phone by the way but there's like a lot of stuff going on right now. Oh, can you hear me now?
>> Yeah, it's better now.
>> Okay. So, like uh you guys believe you're born with sin, right?
>> That we're what?
>> You guys are people are born with sin.
>> We're born with the inclination to sin.
So, when we say we have like ancestral sin, all that means we like have the inclination to sin.
>> What does that mean? It means that we have a corrupted nature and we have a sort of a want a des a desire innate desire to sin which is not uh not originally our purpose.
>> So but that's not a sin though.
>> Yeah. Inclination itself isn't a sin. Uh committing it would be the sin. Yeah.
>> Okay.
But what's the point of calling us sin?
Like obviously people do have desires.
You know what I'm saying?
>> Because the reason that we have that inclination and the reason why our bodies are corruptible is because of the first sin. When Adam and Eve committed sin, the consequence of that sin was corruption and death. And so everyone after them now has corruption and death because they come from Adam and Eve.
>> Wait, so the is there like a major sins and minor sins or is it just >> uh so we don't say major minor sins, but I mean we we do think that some sins are obviously worse than others. uh unalivvening someone unjustly obviously wouldn't be the same as lying, right? Uh they're both they're both sins, but there are sins that can be considered both.
>> But you said consequence of sinning is death.
>> The consequence of sin is death. Yes.
And we all sin. That's why we all die.
>> Oh, so we the the reason we die is because we we sin.
>> Yeah. Everyone sins. Yeah.
>> And that's the reason why we die.
>> Yeah. Because we have a corrupted nature and we sin. Yeah.
>> Interesting.
Is there is there are people that can't sin? Is it possible for >> people that can't sin?
>> No.
>> So like a kid that was just born, you know.
>> Oh, I thought you meant like for their whole life. Uh yeah. So if you're talking about like So obviously like a baby like while they're a baby. We don't believe they can sin because they don't have like any sort of inclination. Uh if someone uh >> why do they die? What?
>> Why do they die?
>> Because they still have the consequence of sin. Because remember how I said since Adam and Eve sinned and they became corrupted. That since everyone comes from them, everyone is corrupted.
So since you come from Adam and Eve, your nature is always corrupted because of that. That's why we are imposed to death.
>> God made us to sin. Correct.
>> No, he didn't make us to sin. No.
>> Wait, he knows we're sinners. He made He knows >> he made us righteous. We chose sin.
>> Oh, interesting. We're the We're the B You're saying basically God did not know we will sin.
>> I didn't say that. No, he knows we'll sin, but he created us righteously obviously so that if we sin, it is on us, not on him.
He created us with the choice. He gave us the choice. He gave Adam and Eve the choice. either eat of the tree or don't eat of the tree. They ate of the tree.
>> What happened? If neither uh ate um >> if neither ate of the tree, they would have never died.
>> So, you're saying, but that just tells me God did not know what he basically when he created Adam and Eve that this will be h this will happen.
>> That's true. Cuz I can create a child knowing that child's eventually going to die. That doesn't mean that I wanted them to die or I created them to die. I created them to live. Dying is just a consequence that >> what's the what's what's the purpose of living?
>> Uh living the purpose of living is to try to become in unity with God.
>> Our whole life is about becoming in in unity with God.
>> Wait, how is that just to you though?
Just because what Adam and Eve did that you're basically that's where you got this the sin from?
>> Well, it's just a natural consequence.
So like uh I'll give you an example of like naturalistic cause. Okay? If uh if like a a sister and brother have a kid, right? Naturalistically, the kid probably is going to come out with some disability.
>> Now, it's now it's not because of anything they did, but it's because of consequence of what their parents did.
It's just a natural cause. In the same way, it's a natural cause that because Adam and Eve sinned and they became corrupted, since Adam and Eve are corrupted, anything that comes from them will also be corrupted. Wait, don't you believe there was a prophet that married his sister?
>> A prophet that Yeah. I mean, you got to understand, well, there's two things, okay? Uh, number one, sister in the Hebrew didn't always mean like biological sister. It can also mean sister from a tribe. Okay. Uh number two, in the early early days, I'm talking about like Adam and Eve days, uh marrying someone from the same biological realm as you uh is not going to necessarily invoke the same consequences as it does today because of the way our biology is formed over time.
It's worse today than it would have been back then, but it was always wrong, right? Um but again, when you see like sister, it doesn't necessarily mean biological sister in the Old Testament.
>> I don't think you believe it was always wrong at at that time. You don't believe it's wrong. It was wrong, right?
>> I I do believe it was wrong. Yeah.
>> But how do you think uh humans were created then? Because Adam and Eve, they had a kid, right? And then there was those kids have, you know, kids with each other. Correct.
>> Well, there's so there's there's multiple different views of this. Uh number one, there's the view that God could have created more people after Adam and Eve and that's where the other nations came from. Uh or >> who were those other people?
>> You mean who were the other people?
because it doesn't say that in the Bible.
>> No, I know that's one view though. The view the people that view it that way say that it's because of the fact that if you see that Cain went out to the other nations, right? They went out to the other nations and there was other nations available and Cain was obviously the son. So if there was other nations, some people say because there was other nations, God must have created other people because Adam and Eve couldn't have created a whole other nation.
Number two, you take the view that there was incest there. And if you take that view, people would say it's not wrong because they wouldn't have been corrupted to the point where it was bad yet. So during Adam and Eve's time, it would have been okay. Specifically during like this few hundred year period, then that's it.
>> But then once their once their biology continuously goes, then it gets to the point where it's it's wrong because it actually can make it corrupted. I don't I don't hold a stance on either particular point. I don't think either one is necessarily uh right or wrong.
Um, I think that either one could be true. I wouldn't have an issue with either one.
>> You really believe that God created other nations.
>> I didn't say that. I said either one could be true.
>> I don't take a firm stance on either one.
>> Let's just Can you grant to me that God created other nations?
>> Can I grant you it?
>> Yeah. I want to see I want to say something about it.
>> Um, if you want to grant it. I just said though I don't take a view on either one >> cuz then I guess I would have said did those people send too or like you know how Adam and Eve did?
>> They would have. Yes. Cuz all sinned.
>> So they would have been just like Adam and Eve 2.0 basically.
>> Yeah. Mia also would have just had different sins. Yeah.
>> If that were the case.
And >> what is your proof for that?
>> I just said I don't hold firm stance on it, dude. I don't know how many times I got to say it.
Interesting. Interesting.
Uh I just I just can't take that about I believe God or basically purposely brought us to this world knowing we will sin and basically you know the we just got to repent. You know, it shouldn't be I I don't want to take uh uh inherently from a person s I don't know how long that was just because >> why is it possible for you not to sin?
>> Is it possible for me not to sin?
>> Yes.
>> Uh no, it's impossible for >> Okay. Why is it impossible?
>> God made us to sin. Basically, that's >> God made you to sin.
Why would God want you to go against him?
>> Wait, if if God made you to sin, how can you be held accountable for something that God made you to do?
>> The God gave me choice to repent, didn't he?
>> I'm saying why if God made you to sin?
>> I'm saying if God made you to sin, why on earth would he hold you accountable for doing something he made you to do?
>> No, you you making it seem like God only brought us to this world just to sin.
No, inherently I believe it's just we're just purposely are sinful. There's no it's just a part of nature thing.
>> Why would God create you with the purpose to sin?
>> Why?
>> Yeah.
>> To repent.
>> Why? Why not just have us not sin at all? Then if he if there was a choice in that, >> then would it be a purpose for me to exist? What's the point of being here?
>> Maybe to be with God. Are you going to sin in heaven and Janna?
>> No. Oh, >> okay. So, what's the purpose of you exist there? We're not in Jenna though.
>> I'm saying what is the purpose of you existing in Jenna if you don't sin?
>> To basically worship God alone.
>> Okay. So why wouldn't that why wouldn't that be your purpose in the first place?
>> Why do you have to sin and repent first?
>> I do worship them.
>> So why do you have to sin and repent first to get there then? Why didn't he just create you with the purpose to worship offer?
>> That's what he wants. I believe that's >> why you have to sin and repent to do that though.
>> But God knew that we was going to do that. He know.
>> I'm saying why did he create you to sin and repent instead of just creating you to worship him?
>> What? What do you mean?
>> What was the purpose of Allah creating you to sin and repent instead of just creating you to worship?
>> Well, the thing the thing is God didn't just say, "Oh, I created you to sin."
That's not what he said in the Quran or in the the hadith. He basic it's just part of our human nature to sin. You literally said he created you to sin, bro. Verbatim.
>> I'll take that back. I was wrong. I I wouldn't say he made us to sin. I'm just saying basically it's part of my nature to sin.
>> Why is it we have >> Why?
>> Yeah.
>> Allah made us like that.
>> Oh, so Allah did make you to sin. He made you with a with a nature that was purposely sinful.
>> And I don't have a problem with that.
Why would I have a problem?
>> Okay. So why didn't he create you without a sinful nature just to worship?
It's like me saying why did God create uh create Adam and Eve for and we take their sin from them? Why >> he didn't create them with a sinful nature? That's the difference. So I'm asking why did God create you with a sinful nature instead of without one >> then? Then that's the whole point to repent and worship.
>> I'm asking why, bro. I'm asking why instead of creating you just to worship him without a sinful nature.
>> Why? Because he's God. Allah us all roads lead to Rome. Allaham.
>> No, no, no. The reason he created us is to worship alone. Worship alone. What problem do I have with that? Obviously, if I sin, he's the most merciful. He's the most forgiven. The reason he doesn't hold anything against us. Obviously, if I sin, what what do I need to do? Go ask, repent, and be sincere and don't do that again. Right? That's better than saying, "Oh, there's no way I can do anything about sinning."
>> Or he could have just created you without a sinful nature, right?
>> Huh?
>> Or he could have just created you without a sinful nature.
>> He could have. Yeah.
>> And he didn't Why again?
>> He didn't.
I mean, if if God was to create us without a sin, then then would have been a point of coming to this world. So if you don't have sin, there's no point in you existing.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. So when you're in Jenna and you have no sin, there's no point in you existing.
>> That's different. We're not in Jenna. I said >> take care, man. Take care, bro.
I mean, you know, I don't um Yeah, man.
Yeah, man.
What What else needs to be said?
You know what I'm saying?
Tough.
Three super chat. Good written source on how the Bible was compiled.
Um, oh, let me think. I have one. Well, do I have one on compiled?
Compiled. Compiled. Compiled.
Three Asia. Uh, I don't know of one particular book. Listen though, I can make a Patreon video on it. I can I can do you one better instead of a book.
If you want to subscribe to Patreon, which is even cheaper than a book, I'll make a whole video if you remind me.
Three, if you subscribe to Patreon, remind me.
I will I will look up and have a bunch of sources and I'll make a whole video on it, bro. Cuz honestly, I don't know one book off top of my head. I know I have books on Bible reliability, but on how it was compiled, I don't have a singular book on that. I'm not going to lie. But by the way, y'all should subscribe to the Patreon though. Link in bio. We're looking for at least one new subscriber per live. Man, the line of super chat. So refreshing to hear a defense of the faith to Muslims that isn't bound by Western heresies contraing the Bible. God bless. Yes, sir. God bless you, man. I try my best.
Thank you for the dono. God bless you, man.
All right, let's see.
>> Hello.
>> Yeah. Hello. What's up?
>> Yo, what's up? Is my mic good?
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Okay. So, I take it like you holds a relative identity, right?
>> Yep.
>> Wouldn't it um What do Don't you think like relative identity as like a concept is a bit like ad hoc?
>> I mean, I don't think it's ad hoc to use because I think we use relative identity a lot. But even if it was ad hoc, I don't think it has anything to do with whether or not the trend is logical. So it wouldn't really be irrelevant.
>> So like you you don't think like ad hoc matters >> for logic? For for logical? No. For logicalness? No. Has nothing to do with or not something logical?
>> Well, like not even like logicalness.
Just like if uh like relative identity could be used, right? Because I could uh say like a statement is logical. That doesn't mean like inherently that it's like valid, right?
No, not valid. My bad. I misspoke. But like what would be the better word?
Like uh cuz like I I mean unless we're like confused on what we mean by ad hoc. Like by odd ad hoc we just mean something that Well, I just mean something that is like used for a specific thing, right?
Not like a general use.
>> Ad hoc means something is used for a specific thing. That's not what ad hoc means.
>> Wait, wait, really? Like, do you have any literature to show otherwise?
>> Ad hoc just means that something is used for something in particular that typically isn't used and so you have quote unquote no reason to use it.
That's what ad hocness means.
>> Wait, wait, that's compatible with my definition.
>> All you said is it's used for a specific thing, bro. That that like what? A lot of things are used for specific things.
>> No, no, but like it's not like that.
Like relative identity, for instance, right? It's only used in the case of the trinity. We don't use it. We don't see it used like like generally unless you were to say like >> Yes, we do. We use relative identity all bro. We can use relative identity in the real world all the time. If I can say a Lamborghini Urus and a Lamborghini Aventa are relatively identical because they're absolutely identical in their brand, but they're distinct in their uh in like the model of the brand.
>> We use relative identity all the time in the real world.
>> But that'd be two separate cars, right?
>> Great. That doesn't mean Are we using relative identity still?
>> Yeah. I mean, we would still be using Yeah, we would still be using >> Okay, so you're you're my I'm not This isn't an analogy for the Trinity or anything. You said we don't use relative identity in the real world. I'm just giving you one example where we do.
>> Yeah. Wait, real quick. By relative identity, are you just like using the the standard like um what is it again for like for all x uh x is like identical and neighbor and y would that be like your definition of >> things can be distinct in one way and identical in a different way?
>> That's like all you mean by relative identity?
>> That's what relative identity is. Yeah.
Okay. And like so and you don't think there's a problem with it being ad hoc?
>> I don't think it's ad hoc.
>> You don't you don't think it's ad hoc?
>> No prove it's ad hoc.
>> Yeah. So, well, like the the the example you gave, right, of like wait, what was it like two separate Lamborghinis?
They're they're like the same brand, right? a distinctive model.
>> Yep.
>> Yeah.
>> Can't hear me off the screen, man.
>> Hello.
Hello.
Hello.
Hello.
Hello.
Guess that didn't work out quite the way he thought it would.
Guess he didn't expect me to say that it's not ad hoc tough. Three super chat kick. I'm already a patron member. So WW then if you're already on Patreon, bro, just DM me on Patreon then and remind me and I'll start gathering sources this week and uh yeah, man. I'll make a video on it for you, dude.
Jino to super chat. How to debate those like Kora evasive and deceitful. Um well I think when you debate people that are evasive and deceitful and well you have to keep them on one point and um you have to make them explain what they mean because a lot of times people are deceitful they'll say things they don't understand that might sound good but once you break it down it doesn't make sense. This is why a lot of times people will be like, "Oh my gosh, there goes Nick asking for definitions of words." Again, why do I do it? I do it though because I know when we start breaking down the meanings that they're meaning for the words, when we start breaking down uh how they're using them, it doesn't actually make sense.
And so, it becomes an issue. So, that's why that's why I debate the way I do, man. You know, that's why I debate the way I do.
All right, let's see.
>> Hey, what's up, Nick?
>> What's up?
>> Would you say that the father and Satan have the same will?
>> The father and Satan have the same will like entirely. No.
to sacrifice Jesus.
>> Uh we can say they they both thought it would be good to unalive him but for different reasons.
>> So if I show you a contradiction in that that the father has a different will but Satan's will was to sacrifice Jesus.
What would you say?
>> The father's will wasn't to sacrifice Jesus.
>> Yeah. From your Bible.
>> Sure. Show me.
>> John 8 30-44.
Clip this guys.
>> Clip this guys. Wow. Okay.
Okay.
>> John 8:30 to44 you said.
>> Yeah. So we get it in context. When the Pharisees came to unalive Jesus.
>> Okay.
Uh appreciate you. Thank you for Symbol Jack. Who was that? Simple Jack. Thank you, bro. Simple Jack for that gift, man. As he spoke these words, many believed him. Then Jesus said to those who believed him, "If you abide in my word, you are my disciples indeed, and you shall know the truth, and the truth may set you free." They answered him, said, "We are Abraham's descendants.
Have you never been in bondage to anyone? How will you say you be made free?" Jesus answered and said to him, most assuredly I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave to sin, and a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever.
Therefore, if the son makes you free, you shall be free indeed. I know that you are Abraham's descendants, but you seek to unal alive me because my word has no place in you. I speak what I have seen with my father and you do what you have seen with your father. They answered and said to him,"Abraham is our father." Jesus said to him, "If you were Abraham's children, you would do the works of Abraham. But now you seek to unal alive me, a man who has told you the truth which I heard from God.
Abraham did not do this. You do the deeds of your father." Then they said to him, "We were not born of fornication.
We have one father, God." Jesus said to him, "If God were your father, you would love me. For I proceeded forth from God, and nor have I come of myself, but he has sent me. Why do you not understand my speech? Because you are not able to listen to my word. You are the father of the devil and the desires of your father you want to do. He was an unaliver from the beginning and does not stand in truth because there is no truth in him.
When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources. For he is a liar and the father of it. Because I tell you the truth, you do not believe me."
What about it?
So if they were Abraham's father, they would seek to love him.
>> Yeah. As they should.
>> But Satan's will was for him to be unal alived on a cross.
>> Yes. By those who disbelieve. He wanted those people to be believers in him specifically.
>> So that wasn't the father's will. That was Satan's will.
>> The father's will was for him to be on a lie, but he wanted all those to love him above that.
>> But that's a contradiction.
>> Satan didn't want That's not a contradiction. It's saying, "I want all to love him. If they are not going to love him and continue to sin, then he will be sacrificed for the sins of the people."
>> But Satan's will was for him to be unalived.
>> Yes. And the father's will also was unless they love him, he will be a sacrifice for their sins.
>> That's nowhere near in the verse.
>> What, brother? We >> Okay. Does God say that he gave his son to be crucified >> in your Bible?
>> Mhm.
in John.
>> Yeah, but Yeah, but Yeah, but then it's a contradiction to this verse.
>> It's not a contradiction. All we need to see is that God wants them to love him.
>> But what's the reason why he wants him to be the sacrifice? Because the people sin. So if they don't love him, it's a sin.
>> I don't know. I see a contradiction there, bro.
>> Not a contradiction. It's he that is his will for the sin of the people. If there was no sin, it would have been necessary that that occurred. But unfortunately, there was sin and they continued to sin.
>> Hey, I'm not knowledgeable as you, right?
>> What happened to Clippus, bro?
>> I I suggest you read the Gospel of Barnabas.
>> What happened to Clippus, bro?
>> May Allah guide you.
>> Damn, that's crazy, bro. It went from It went from clip this to I'm not as knowledgeable as you. Damn, it's crazy that works, man.
Now, now that's a clip.
Now, now that's a clip.
Now, that now that right there, that right there is a clip, man. That right there is a clip. Unfortunately for him, man.
Unfortunately for him, man. you know.
>> Hello.
>> Yeah. Hello.
>> What's up?
>> What's up?
>> Nothing much. Um, so the argument is just going to be it's going to be informal argument. Are you okay with that or no?
>> I don't know what the hell you just said. I'll be honest.
>> Informal argument.
>> Sure.
>> Okay. No problem. So in so far of the hypothetical union it uh is a contradiction because two predicates oppose each other.
>> Two predicates of publisher >> oppose each other.
>> Okay. Two predicates oppose each other.
What is that? How does that make a contradiction?
>> Because look what if two predicates oppose each other therefore contradiction. Do you think if two predicates oppose each other in the same being that that means that that means that you can't exist?
>> Yes. Yes. Simultaneously. Yes. That's like an interdiction. Yes.
>> Okay. Well, let me ask you a question then. Uh do you believe your soul is material or immaterial?
>> My soul?
>> Yeah.
>> I don't know.
>> You don't know?
>> Nope.
>> You don't know if your soul is im What are you Muslim or?
>> Yep. I am Muslim.
>> What What does Islam teach?
>> I haven't read upon my soul. I don't know.
>> You ain't You ain't even read the basics. You on religion, but you're trying to come on our religion. Okay. If your soul is immaterial and your body's material, would that mean you couldn't exist? Cuz they're two different predicates, two opposite predicates, >> like my body.
>> Yeah. If your body was material and your soul was immaterial, would that be a contradicting me? Contradiction meaning you couldn't exist?
>> Um, are you saying because they also exist in the same time? Yeah. I don't know whether my soul is going to be immaterial.
>> I'm saying if it was if >> it's eternal or something like that.
>> You have two different predicates, two opposite predicates. Would that mean it couldn't exist?
>> Yeah. Surely it would be a contradiction.
>> So if I were to show you that in Islam, you would agree Islam is false, right?
>> Sure.
>> Okay. Fantastic. Let me show you.
All right.
All right, let's see.
Let's go to We go to Are you Sunny or Shia?
>> Yeah, I'm Sunny.
>> All right, good.
>> We'll go to Hadis then.
And I'll give you some sources uh also for yourself.
>> Sure.
>> Have you heard about the Orthodox Muslim? He's in hospital.
>> Yeah, I heard about that.
>> What's your opinion upon that?
Hope the Lord grants some health.
All right. Uh All right. Let's see.
All right. So, if we go to different sources here, for example, uh we can go to alislam.org.
Uh this is a good source of some of your scholars that speak on it.
Uh if you go to like lesson 43, for example, they talk about uh what the what the soul is.
>> So, Uh, which color this is?
>> Uh, yeah. Uh, Muhammad Tyke, uh, Misba Yazdi. I don't know how to pronounce the name. I'll put it on the screen here.
>> I never heard of him.
>> Oh, he's a sunny scholar. So, >> wait, how do I move this over?
>> That's him. He's a sunny scholar.
>> I mean, I want to make sure this is like the opinion of all the Sunny Scholars, by the way. So, >> because Have you ever heard of an Ashar and an >> Yes. What are you? Which one are you?
Yeah, I'm an So like you can still be a sunny regardless. Yeah. Regardless like of you can still be while Okay. Ather is still going to take the view though that the soul is immaterial.
>> I don't know.
>> You realize the soul's material, right?
You would have to say that you could literally like >> you would you could literally do surgery on your body and you would be able to see your soul, right?
>> But we don't know what the soul is. If it's m it doesn't but if it's material though you realize if you do surgery on the soul then >> well that's only if I know what the soul is though >> brother if it's material it can be whatever what yeah what do you think material means?
>> Material is just something that's going to be destroyable etc. No, it just means No. No. What? It just means it's made of matter.
>> Something concrete, something tangible.
>> Made of matter. Tangible, right? So, that means if it's in your body, it's tangible. We could touch it.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. So, it would be it wouldn't be material cuz we can't we can't touch it, right? You can't touch your soul. You can't do surgery on your soul, right?
>> I don't know.
>> You don't know whether or not you could do surgery on your soul?
>> I don't know what the soul is, bro. Bro, then please go research your own religion, dude. Oh my gosh, bro. I mean, bro, how do you Why does no Muslim know their own religion? No, none of them. Why do Why do none of them Like, bro, I I don't like it kind of annoys me cuz like why don't y'all know your own religion?
It's so bad. It's so bad.
King Mo says 200 views versus core is 2K.
Hey King, how many views you got, bro?
Just curious, man.
It's curious, bro. Jared with a 10 super chat. Hey, let's clip this right here.
Clipped. Trust me. I'm I'm clipping that and I'm posting another short tomorrow just because he said he was going to clip me.
The chorus simps are in full force today. I I'm saying right. I'm like, bro.
This is they do this to every Muslim that gets a little bit of clout.
Orthodox Muslim got a little bit of clout. Everyone comes in here. Oh, Orthodox Muslim have more views. And then Core comes in here has a little bit of clout. Oh my gosh, Cor has more views.
Great. And and God Logic has more views than all of them. So what? Like what are we just playing? Which who has more views? Cuz God Logic has more views than any any of the Muslims any Muslim live has. So like what are we talking about here? No Muslim live gets bored of using God logic. Are we just comparing the the the top viewing apologist at the time or this man said on God he doesn't? Wow. On God. You just said on God Logic doesn't have more views than Kora. Wow. Okay.
Well, might be you might be slowing ahead. That's uh God Logic doesn't touch 2K viewers.
Huh?
Oh yeah. No, he an idiot. I ain't even going to do I ain't even I ain't even gonna deal with that no more. I'm I ain't even gonna deal with that no more, bro.
Oh my gosh, he's low. He don't know this man averages 4K, bro.
Hello.
>> Hello.
>> What's up?
>> Well, teach me my religion. He was saying that Muslims don't know their religion. So, what my religion say about the soul?
>> That it's immaterial.
>> Are you sure?
>> Please prove me wrong.
There are different opinions. I haven't got it right now here. But >> okay, what's your opinion? Is it material or material? That's why I asked you again.
>> Wait, what's your what's your opinion?
Is it material or immaterial?
>> Simply we do not know. As the Quran says, >> prove to me I don't know my religion.
Okay. What is your soul? Material, immaterial? I don't know. Some jokes literally just write themselves, bro.
>> How you going to come in my live and tell me prove I don't know my religion?
And the first question I ask you, you say you don't know.
>> Listen, listen, listen.
>> I didn't say I don't know my religion.
Listen, >> do we do you know everything about God?
>> I find it ironic. I listen. I find it ironic that you came up here saying, >> "Prove to me I don't know my religion."
And then you gave a topic and I asked you one question about that topic and you said, "I don't know."
>> No, no, you didn't catch what I say. I say, "Please teach me my religion because you claim that you know better."
But you are not >> really >> and then tell me.
>> Okay. So, so show me, give me your evidence of the people who think it's material. Go ahead.
>> No, no. As I said, I haven't got it right now here, but I've got the Quran which is clear.
>> Dude, nah, bro. This is so crazy that I don't got it. Why did you come up then?
Why did you say these things, >> bro? I would be so embarrassed if I was a Muslim watching this live right now.
Like I would actually be so embarrassed if I was a Muslim right now watching this live.
I mean, bro, I don't get it, man. Hey, listen, God. We're looking for one more new Patreon member this live, man.
Please join the Patreon. Link is in the bio. We appreciate all y'all join join the Patreon, man. We looking for one more Patreon member.
This is crazy. This is crazy, man. This is crazy. I just I just just want one Muslim that knows their own religion, man. Just one just one that has like sources and justification and like all like he could have he could have took 10 minutes before his live and researched and found like some some sources.
But that that's too hard for him, you know.
Demon Hunter, I think you misunderstood my question. What question?
Kora is on live. You can you can speak with her. I already did. And as soon as I went up, she had to bring someone else up to debate me cuz she couldn't debate me herself. I don't know why y'all think Kora is good, bro. She sucks at debating. She's horrible.
The one I sent you about Moses. I mean, I don't remember that one, bro.
If it's on DM, you can just DM me again and I'll try to debate a I debated a too and he didn't even know the difference between what logical possibility was, bro. Like, I'm Will you debate Nate again? He came back. Bro, I already I already almost made that man unal alive himself the first time. I'm not trying to debate him again.
People at my church are mean and they say I can't live with my girlfriend.
Yeah, you shouldn't. How does that mean?
What do we What? You shouldn't because it would subject you to temptation.
A in his buns. Yeah, a in his buns. He's pretty bad. Pretty bad indeed. Pretty bad indeed.
You coming to New York this summer or not? If there's plans, I'm there.
Listen, we playing something out. I'm there for sure.
I actually being Wait, Peace. Wait, where y'all actually? Wait, Peace, DM me where you live, cuz I'mma be I'mma be in a spot in like two weeks.
I'm pretty sure it's like close to where you live. I don't want to say it on here. I I would say it, but I don't want to I don't I don't know if you have people know where you live.
So, uh I got to think. I don't remember.
Is it a godly marriage the government's not involved?
Uh I would ask you a priest. I mean, the the most important thing is the sacrament of marriage done in the church. Uh, I'm going to move to a different parish where the priest won't judge us for living together. But, you're never going to find a parish then. Every priest is going to tell you the same thing, dude.
What the heck?
I'm just going to live in sin until I find a priest that lets me live in sin.
Oh, okay.
Are you coming to Texas anytime soon?
Not I don't know. Not right now, but maybe. I like Austin.
Ultra Instinct would have thought super chat. I still can't get this out of my head. When Ka thinks wine and vinegar are the same thing, life cooked her so bad. Yeah, she gets cooked by everybody.
I'm not gonna lie. Every time I see her debating, she gets cooked. It's kind of embarrassing.
Coming to Iran anytime soon? Oh, heck no. By the way, we don't care if people know we live. I mean, you could just tell me on here then if you want where you at, and I can tell you on be if you want to. It's up to you.
I'm walking on sunshine.
Uh, come to Michigan. I have no reason to come to Michigan. I have no reason to come to Michigan. I'm not going to lie.
They ain't in Florida. It's tough, man.
Cuz I'm just thinking about where y'all wedding was.
She's in New York.
I don't know. That's what folks That's what the streets are saying.
When you coming to Greece, I'd like to go to Greece. We're just in the East Coast, Northeast for the summer. South for the most part. Okay. Well, I'm going I'm flying into Tampa uh in early June and then I'll be in Sarasota for a few days. That's why I was wondering because I was just thinking about where y'all wedding was.
Uh yeah, I'm pretty sure it's near there.
We'll be in the city. Ah, frig.
Damn. I want to visit New York anyways.
So, we leave next week. Damn, that's tough.
Yeah, I'm trying to go to New York. Uh trying to go to New York at some point.
Listen, to be honest, I wanna I want to come to New York for like Christmas, low key.
That's what I want to do. I want to come to New York for Christmas. I got a house 30 minutes to Sarasota. That's what's up. Heck yeah, bro.
You got to come to the event then, Ray.
Apologeticon, bro. Come to that event, man. That's where I'mma be.
We'll be out there for the holidays with Okay. Oh, too.
Yeah, that's I'm I'm lucky. I'm trying to plan that. I'm trying to plan that cuz I definitely would come for I mean, I'd still probably come for summer, but I'm trying to come for holidays.
So, you know, we'll see what happens, man. Come to Thailand.
Yo, I don't know about Thai. I heard some things about Thailand, bro. I heard Thailand got what's called lady boys.
I'm not trying to go to Thailand.
There's no reason for me to go there.
I got no good reason to go to Thailand.
I bet I see some Tik Toks about that, bro.
They said, "Are you lady or lady boy?" I said, "Oh, freak no. If I got to ask that question, I don't want to go."
They got lady ladies there, too. But I'm not trying to ask the question.
West Coast teach you to snowboard. That don't even make any sense. But the West Coast, you be thinking like the heat.
Someone said, "Is Christmas pagan?" Oh no. You mentioned Christmas one time, man. Heck no. Christmas ain't d pagan.
Did Mary worship Jesus or God? That's a false dichotomy.
What you trying to do with them, Nick?
Show them the Lord Jesus Christ. What you mean, bro? Trying to get married. I ain't out here messing with no damn lady boy. Trying to get married.
Uh, we can skip Thailand. Okay, good.
My hood, bro, all year round. Really?
I've never been snowboarding.
So that that would be fun to go snowboarding.
You can show a lady boy the Lord. Nah, probably not, bro. Probably not, bro.
They probably cooked.
And now I'm in Ohio inside. Why?
I've been skiing. I've been tubing on a mountain of snow. That was fun.
We need Nick to come to the six.
Toronto. I I would actually come to Toronto at some point potentially because I know some people nearby Toronto.
So, I would I would consider coming to Toronto unless you're scared of heights.
I don't really mind heights.
I don't really be rocking roller coasters though, bro. There's no reason for me to be on a damn roller coaster.
There's no reason. You've been at those?
No. But I want to go, God willing.
Few.
It's beautiful. Yeah.
What's the best argument against Islam?
I think a continuity argument.
You listen to Drake Ice, man. It was buns. Now you're a hater. No, it wasn't.
What about Minnesota? We got you. The biggest mall in the country. Yo, you know the biggest mall I've been to? I went to a mall. What was it called in Houston? Wait, what was that mall called? Let me think. Oh, the Galler.
It's called like the Galleria, I think.
Bro, that mall was big. I went to the Galleria in Houston, bro. It was big, dude. I'm telling you, you walked in, it was like, bro, like two miles this way, two miles this way, two miles this way, two miles this way. Had like four different directions. It was crazy.
Come to Detroit. I already went to Detroit. Uh, I went to Detroit uh like uh maybe like a year ago.
Wasn't fun. Didn't like Detroit very much. It's kind of ugly. I'm sorry.
You ever been to Tennessee? I have not.
No, I'd like to go to Nashville, though.
Nashville would be cool.
That's in Dallas. No, it's not. No, it's not. I don't know who told you that's in Dallas. That's not in Dallas, bro. trying to convince you with a mall.
I'm saying you going to take me shopping or what, man?
Yes, it is. No, it's not. Bro, I was literally there in Houston. No, it's not.
Do I got to like look this up for y'all?
Let's see. The Galleria.
Oops.
The Galleria, Houston, Texas.
Wow.
Houston, Texas. Wow.
Wow. Houston, Texas.
I got all these people up that I muted on here, bro. I need to freaking unmute them. Damn. Muted them. How do I do this?
I have like six tabs open of people that need unmuted that texted me.
Uh, there is one in Dallas. I just show Bro, I just showed you. Oh my god, dude. I just show I just showed you was in Houston. I just showed you that.
Let me get super How do I give you a supermod?
How do I give people a super mod?
Nick, what was that? Mora I just said people need unmuted that DM me.
I think it's mid settings. Uh settings, bro. Why the freak is my camera blurry now?
Ever planning a debate against Hindus?
You should uh maybe some point.
Okay, let me try let me try this piece.
Give you super mod. Manage access.
You should have super mod now. Peace.
You should have it now.
You need more recognition. You and Logic are my go-to fair list through W.
Who do you want to unmute? I hope I didn't just X out of it.
Uh, how do I see the people that are muted? What? Well, I'm in the live stream anyways, but how do I how do I is there a way for me to check who's muted on here?
Yeah, I guess I'm now.
I guess I'm now.
I'm now because I don't know how the freak to work this, bro.
I just unmuted two people. Okay.
Hopefully that was it then.
Got status, man.
It's okay. I'll be ending the live soon anyways. But um yeah, listen, man. We're looking for one new Patreon subscriber.
Join the Patreon link in bio.
It's got bright in here. Sun just sun just kind of came out a little bit.
Orthodox. So real. So real.
Hindus or Jew? I I've debated multiple Jews. The thing the thing is like there's just not a lot of like Hindus and Jews on TikTok. That's the thing.
There's just not a lot of them.
That's kind of the whole uh whole thing.
I'm auntie w auntie ortho auntie that's what's up you auntie your husband bear he is he's uncunk uh w rose appreciate you peneli w roes to talk to Nick y when is the charity boxing magic against Kora. Bro, y'all tripping.
What do you think of Byzantine Catholics? I think they should become Orthodox.
I think they should become Orthodox.
The angry curtain. Bro, y'all are wicked. Y'all are wicked.
What is your opinion on between the Jerusalem church and Paul? Like is there a problem? They have the same opinion about the Gentiles.
Well, no.
I don't I think when you actually look at the Jerusalem church, they ended up having the same view. Oh, Nick, your Discord link didn't work. The one you sent me the other day. Bro, I don't know why. People have been saying that my Discord links haven't been working.
I don't know why they're playing it.
But uh Jackie, wait. If you're in my Discord, Jackie, if you go to my Discord and you go to uh I think if you go to the main chat and then you go to pin links, I think in the pin links, we have the proper one.
Appreciate the Rosar team.
We're going to do some IRL content in the city this summer. So, let us know if you're trying to come out there. Yeah, that would be that would be fun. We can definitely do some IRL content, man.
That would be great.
just let me know when and uh I'll try to play a play in a timeout to come out to New York cuz we're doing that live later. Okay, Jackie. Uh I'll Jackie, I'll send you a uh another link. Tell me if it works.
So, yeah.
Quit super chat. What are you doing in Tampa? I live here. Uh there's a apologeticon in uh Sarasota.
in June. I will be there for that. So yeah, man.
Plan on going to Speaker's Corner some point.
Okay. I'll try to get in from a Discord, too. Okay. If you end up being able to do that from there, Jackie, just let me know. Uh if not, then I will send you a different link.
So, yeah, we'll see.
Inshallah. Of course, Chihuahua was in the chat. Do you play League of Legends? No.
I don't really be playing a ton of video games to be honest. Sarasota's nice.
I've actually never been to Sarasota.
I've been to I've been to Miami, Fort Lauderdale, and Atlanta. That's it. I mean, not Atlanta. Sorry, Orlando. Said Atlanta. Orlando.
What's cap Juju?
What's your favorite video game? My favorite one ever, it's called Warhawk back in the day, man. It was fun.
Warhawk back in the day was mad fun.
Nigga's an Apex Legend enjoyer. Yeah, I do like uh I used to play Apex Legends a lot.
It's cool. It's cool for sure, bro. Beyond Siege and Arc, Bro, I haven't play Arc Raiders in a minute. I haven't played Arc Raiders in a minute, bro.
Yo, why is every time, bro? Why is every time I say Someone said, "Whoa, Nick, you can't say that." Why is every time I read a comment that say Nick is, they think I'm saying the N word. I read a comment says Nick is our creator fan and they think I'm saying the n word.
I'm reading a comment says Nick is. Bro, this is crazy.
He's supposed to say I'm swearing the n word.
I thought Nick said it too.
Listen, it's fine. God Logic gave me the pass anyway. So if I wanted to, I could.
But listen, if if I ever said it, I would just I would just uh I would own it. But you know, bro said, "Good cover up." If you can go to my chat and see, he said, "Nick is a Raider fan." Nick is aka ninjas.
I mean, yeah, Nick is is probably like, if you say it fast, Nick is. And if you say even f like Yeah, it pretty much does sound like it. I'd self delete it if I said it. Oh, that's funny. A nigga's invited to the cookout. Yeah, I have been told I'm invited to the cookout, so I think I'm fine.
I think I'm all good regardless, man.
I'll be cool.
I think I'm cool for sure. The cacao reel. I got it.
Okay, that's what's up, Jackie. Sweet.
Clip it, chat. Yeah, clip it. Any advice on depression?
Get outside if you're depressed.
Honestly, now that it's summer, especially if you're if you're depressed, get outside. Get in the sun.
Go out with your friends. If you don't have any friends, just go outside and get some sun, bro. Cuz okay, if there's like winter depression is such a real thing. When summer comes, I'm just in a better mood, right? Get outside.
Go get some sun.
Go in a go in a in a you know go on a hike and pray to God and talk to God, bro.
And they just told depressed people to touch grass. Well, listen. Like, sunshine genuinely makes you feel better. It does.
It makes you feel so much better.
Confession literally cured my depression. Yes, confession would be an amazing thing to go to as well. Yes, absolutely. Go to confession if you can.
But maybe you're not charismated yet.
You're not Orthodox yet. Whatever. Go outside in the sun, man. Go outside in the sun. This is one of the reasons why I'm considering moving to Florida is because I just know if I woke woke up every day to palm trees and the sun. My bro, I would be man I'd be the happiest man on the planet. I'd be so freaking happy.
I'm already happy now. I would imagine that. I'd be way more happy, dude. Way more happy.
Yes. Come. I I want to. I do want to.
Don't move to Florida. I just moved out.
It sucks. How? Yo, Nick, say it one more time, bro. Watch out. Yo, Nick, one day go to Paris and post a video and say Nick is in Paris. I should uh move to Hawaii. Okay, I don't know about Hawaii. First of all, Hawaii's too far from everything else. If I move to Hawaii, it would be it would be if I moved to Hawaii, it'd be because I was retired there and all my family was gone. Either they're either with me in Hawaii or they're they're dead.
Florida's too hot. Florida's not too hot, bro. Listen, do you know how nice it was when I went, what was it a year ago or two years ago? I went to Florida in February and I was tanning on the beach. I was like, I literally came back home and it was a snowstorm outside.
I was like, "Bro, this is terrible." I was I was like, "Take me back to Florida."
We got monasteries, miracle icons, cathedrals, beautiful. Yes, y'all do got some beautiful churches. Florida's hot, but I love the heat though, man. I love like listen, especially if I'm by a beach. Who cares if it's hot? If I got a beach right next to me, who cares?
I'll just go to the beach.
What? What are we talking about? Be hot all you want. I'm going to the beach.
I'm going to the pool. Now, the only thing is where I want to move is exp. I kind of would like to move to like Miami or something cuz Miami is fun, bro. When I went to Miami, there's just so much stuff to do every day. And I loved that.
It's the Italian in you. Yeah, it could be.
Come to Ohio. Fortunately, I'm already here.
February is nice. July is death. Well, I used to go on vacation when I was a kid in Florida in June and it it's hot. But like it's fine though. As long as I live near water, I'd be fine.
But listen, I'm considering moving next year, so we'll see.
Miami is for the young. It is. It is.
But I'm only 24, so I'm still pretty young, man. You know what I mean? I hate Florida. The beach is the best part. How you hate Florida but love the beaches?
The beach is like that. That's Florida.
The beaches. That is Florida.
Like that. That's what it is. Cuz listen, I don't like like West Coast beaches. I hate West Coast beaches, bro.
You could go to a West Coast beach like Roondo Beach in LA and it it's cold. I hate it cuz Florida's boring. Yeah. No, you tripping. You ain't been to Miami then. If you say Florida is boring, you haven't been to Miami because Miami is fun as freak. You say, "Yeah, w Tampa."
I'm actually I've considered moving to Tampa, too, cuz I heard Tampa's pretty nice and it's less expensive than Miami.
So, I don't know.
Miami is whack. That's crazy. That's crazy. Miami is not whack, bro. Y'all are tripping.
Y'all are tripping. They married Worship Baron son. Yes.
And we have Hela Heretics to cook. Oh, real Heroborn Entertainment with a follow super chat. Yo, you from Ohio?
How you feel about my boys 21 Pilots? I do not listen to 21 Pilots. I don't know.
That's all you, bro. I don't listen to 21 P. I'm not sure. I couldn't tell you one song by 21 Pilots. I'm so sorry.
Uh, downtown Tampa is buns so small.
Interesting.
Interesting.
Yeah, I feel like that's true though.
Miami is probably full of like a lot of fake people though to be fair. It It probably is one thing to be fair, you know.
But you know what, man? I can make them real. And Miami has some nice Orthodox churches nearby. So I know someone that lives by that goes to some nice Orthodox churches over there.
So that would be cool. But that would be cool.
Miami is a sin city, Nick. They need an apologist. This is true. Miami does need someone. Miami does need someone to go and make them, you know, get them right.
I can get Miami right.
Loads of confessions needed if you stay in Miami. Listen, I don't adapt to the place. The place adapts to me. All right? I'm not going to go to a place and you know what I mean.
Turn into that.
So yeah, Christ super chat Nick come to San Francisco. Psych. Nah.
Yo, San Francisco is expensive. Nick's going to be in the club. Get in Miami, right? Nah, I'm not a club guy, man. Not a club guy. San Francisco's crazy, bro.
Never been there. I don't go to clubs. I do like the salsa dance, though, from here and there from time to time. But no, I don't go to clubs. Freak no.
That ain't that ain't for me, man.
Las Vegas. I do want to go to Vegas at some point. 100% I want to go to Vegas at some point.
Atlanta needs to get these black key license check. Oh no. Are you going to let people up? Should I let a couple people up?
Uh, okay. Let's see.
Hello.
>> Hello.
>> What's up?
>> How you doing, man?
>> I'm good. What's going on?
>> So, I'm curious. I don't know like the official position. I know layman Christians will agree with me but uh you know what I'm saying. So I want to know do you believe that Jesus defecated or was most likely the case that he did? Uh it's probably most likely the case but there is a view that he since his body was perfect that he his body properly disposed of or properly used every nutrient that he had. So >> Okay. And so what view do you hold? He I mean I don't really I'm not really firm on one view. He probably did, but I was leaning towards that. He probably did.
Yeah.
>> So then would it would it be proper to say that God defecated?
>> Yeah.
>> Come on, man.
>> Is there an issue with that?
>> I just think that it's very intuitive that it's a bit >> Is it proper to say God has a shin?
>> I mean, as long as Allah affirms it, then yeah. But I I don't think you can compare >> proper to say that God will look however we we we think he will look in our mind.
>> So yeah. So if Allah had a shin it would be nothing like the creation. So there wouldn't be a problem because you couldn't one second you couldn't even describe it uh at least to a sense as far as I know.
>> But God defecating we know in details how he would how he would defeate.
>> Will Allah look however we think he will look. However we appear he appears in our mind. Is that how he's going to look?
>> No.
>> Oh okay. Well let me show you this is otherwise.
All right, let's go to >> Wait, this is kind of dodging the question, though.
>> No, it's not. I literally answered your question. I'm just showing you something now on your own religion.
>> I'm not I'm not I'm not done with it, though. Hold up.
>> Okay. Yeah. Don't Don't defend your own religion then. Take care, folks. You're As soon as I said, let's actually pull up the hadith, then he got scared. Then, wait, wait, wait.
Actually, please don't. Please don't.
I'm not done yet, bro. I mean, these people are genuinely so frightened of their own religion. They they are actually frightened of their own religion. Frightened of it.
They they fear it.
Please please do not talk about Islam running because I said let me finish.
Dude, I literally said, "Let me pull up the hadith." And you said, "Okay." And then you realize I was actually pulling up and you got scared and you said, "Wait, I'm not done."
Like, bro, y'all y'all just scared of your own religion, man. That's it.
Crazy, bro. A dude says, "Oh, can you say God devocate? I say yes."
Wow. What What an argument, dude. What?
What? Nice giggle. That is an amazing argument.
Nice, nice, nice, nice, nice, nice, nice.
What are your thoughts? The council, Florence, that's not ecumenical. Yes, your god, your god devocates. Yes, and your god will look like a piece of poop if that's how I imagine him and Janna.
So glad we have an understanding.
Uh, spawn in my DM. Uh, yeah, I'll try to look.
Jesus fully human. It's part of a human experience. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, I think it just depends like there's different views on it. There is some like nuanced views on it and whatnot. So, uh, you know, it does it does depend.
That it does. That it does.
All right, y'all. Listen, we're going to hop off for tonight, man. I appreciate all y'all coming on, man. Subscribe to the Patreon. I'll be posting another Patreon video this weekend. God bless you guys. Thank you for coming today.
And, uh, I will see y'all next time.
See y'all later, man. God bless.
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