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[00:00:08]>> This is the same nonsense we've heard time and time again.

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[00:00:17]>> Hello and welcome to this Planet Hollywood. I'm Paul Hutcheon, political editor of the Daily Record. Joined this week by John Ferguson, who's the editor of the Sunday Mail. Of course, Douglas Dickie of the Scottish Daily Express.

[00:00:30]So, no prizes for guessing which issue continues to dominate the Scottish politics, the continued fallout of Peter Murrell's fall and disgrace. Um we're recording this on Wednesday afternoon just ahead of a Holyrood debate into whether there's going to be an inquiry into various elements of the scandal.

[00:00:51]Now, it seems certain that this vote is going to fall because the SNP and the Greens are both against it. They have the majority. They're going to vote against it. So, on one level, John, the First Minister will be happy that he's going to succeed in killing this inquiry.

[00:01:09]But, do you agree with me that it's probably short-sighted for him to do so?

[00:01:13]>> Yeah, kind of feels like John Sweeney's approach here is to trying to keep a lid on it and hope that, you know, relatively short period of time this scandal is going to go away and the problem is that it's just it's just not.

[00:01:28]There's there's so many different directions that it can branch off into. You've got a possibility of a another pushing query or pushing for this investigation into the 600,000 pounds rather than just the fraud. There's the possibility of a Westminster inquiry. Um there's the questions over the short money, i.e. public money that has gone into the SNP while this fraud's happening. Or got the for seats questions and what else Peter Murrell might have been taking money for, whether he was accepting cash from donors. So, there's just so many different directions that this could go off into. Um the SNP's political uh enemies know that they're they've got real fertile ground here. And I think it probably would have been more sensible for John Swinney to realize that there was no there was no way to keep a cap in this. So, the better strategy would be to try to control it, to have your own inquiry in Hollywood, or an order of some sort of independent SNP inquiry, rather than desperately try to suppress any more talk and end up with MPs in the in the Commons doing their inquiry. I think they're going to absolutely slaughter the SNP if that's the way this ends up going.

[00:02:56]>> There was an SNP Green majority. They could have controlled the terms of reference. They could have probably uh ensured that this multi-headed scandal was kept quite tight and produced a report within a few months.

[00:03:11]But, what they've done now is they blocked it, or they're about to block it. And they're opening the doors to a much wider, probably more painful, and damaging inquiry by a Labor-dominated committee that if they decide to proceed with an investigation, will probably show them no mercy.

[00:03:29]>> Yeah, and I mean the the Scottish Affairs Committee obviously said today that they'll wait and see, you know, the result of that vote. But, as we know, it's a kind of foregone conclusion.

[00:03:37]>> You'll have to wait about 2 hours or so.

[00:03:39]>> Yeah. Um and you know, the SNP and Greens are forever telling us that you know, that Westminster should respect Hollywood and whatnot. Well, on this occasion, Westminster is respecting Hollywood, given its prominence in this, given its due place and Hollywood isn't going to do what's required. I actually think as well this doesn't reflect and reflect well at all on the greens who who now just appear nothing more than the kind of slightly more left-wing branch of the SNP why they are so dead set against it is well, it's because they don't want to turn on their fellow nationalists, I think.

[00:04:18]They don't want deep down they don't really want to challenge the SNP and no rush career lights to present himself as this kind of Machiavellian schemer and this this you know, guy taking it to the establishment and yet when the establishment has has has needed him to kind of roll over and get in get in line, he's done just that and it always looks like it's going to get John Swinney you know, a temporary reprieve. But the whole thing, I've said it before, why why wouldn't you want to take control of this narrative and and I've never really seen the SNP in some ways it seems to be the attempts to put a lid on this are are are even worse than what you would than what would happen if they just come out in the first place and had a >> The danger is it blows up in your face.

[00:05:08]>> It feels like some sort of probe into this is inevitable. So, why not have it on your terms in a parliament that you dominate and a committee that you're going to have a majority on. It's just it's like a >> It's quite baffling.

[00:05:21]>> I'm losing as well, but the idea that because we've had a police investigation, because we've had Braverman, that's enough. Nothing more to see here. And there's clearly massive issues to do with SNP governance.

[00:05:32]There's questions about why did the police investigation take so long? What were the actions of the Crown Office?

[00:05:38]Has public money been stolen as well? I mean, it's not simply about Peter Murrell's embezzlement. There are much wider issues that an inquiry could look into and it just seems to me that John Swinney's desperate not to lift up the boots on this scandal. Because I think he's scared of what would be revealed.

[00:05:56]>> I think that's just I suspect that even he doesn't know what might come out of a a deeper parliamentary investigation. Um I mean, if you look at the the SNP has been the party of government in Scotland for 20 years at the end of this parliamentary term it will be going on for a quarter of a century. The party has been run by an out and out fraudster. Um there's all sorts of ways potentially that Peter Murrell could have even and this isn't even to say that anyone else was um criminally responsible but there's all sorts of ways that he could um put pressure on the political side of things allow his role as a chief executive to bleed into politics and bleed into the the governing of the the nation. Um so these these things just are worthy of further scrutiny, you know, um and up to now the narrative the SNP are very keen to push is well, we are the victims but it just doesn't really wash, does it? The SNP may be other members of the SNP may be some of the victims but actually the whole of the public are all victims if we've if public money's going into the SNP.

[00:07:19]>> Also non-SNP pro-independence donors as well.

[00:07:22]>> Yeah, exactly and ultimately all of all of Scotland given that they've been governed by this party which clearly at the heart of it there was um you know, some really quite serious criminality going going on.

[00:07:37]Um so I just yeah, I think it's it's obviously going to go further.

[00:07:44]Um interesting subplot that I think that it's Patricia Ferguson, the Labour MP who's the um the chairs the Scottish Affairs Committee at Westminster, and Nicola Sturgeon called her hapless in her book frankly. So, that that could be one that comes back to to haunt her.

[00:08:05]>> Um yeah, I mean it's going to it's going to run and run, isn't it?

[00:08:08]>> Douglas Ross mentioned there is a Westminster inquiry.

[00:08:11]I just saw a story last week that some folk in the SNP are considering a position of boycotting it. That is if uh it comes in that they want someone to appear and they'll just say no. So, I had a look and basically you can invite a witness to attend a Westminster committee. They don't do that and summons can be issued. Then they can be a person found in contempt of the parliament and then sanctions.

[00:08:37]Now, John Swinney Nicola Sturgeon may want to face that down, but that would just dominate the news agenda for months if that happens, and it will just look like they're desperate to avoid any scrutiny of something that is of huge interest to the public.

[00:08:55]>> Yeah, and we were actually talking about this earlier on the Express desk. I I mean, imagine the optics of a Westminster inquiry, you know, compelling having to compel the first minister of Scotland to give evidence and him refusing and potentially being found in contempt.

[00:09:13]It's it's it's actually remarkable thought and you know, Nicola Sturgeon the this big question she was only going to make one statement on it has seemed quite keen to kind of tell her side of the story. So, if she's not willing to tell her side of the story when it's not on her terms, again people are going to start asking questions again.

[00:09:33]John Swinney, it just everything looks like I'm not saying there is, but it looks like cover up. You know, it looks like the SNP are trying to cover it up. And whether they are or not, you know, and whether they are or not doesn't matter. The optics of it are are such that it's just such a it's just such a terrible look for them.

[00:09:52]And for a party that has has especially down south have this quite cuddly image, I think at times.

[00:10:00]I think the ones in the press have been really easy on the SNP over the years.

[00:10:05]It's a fine line having their eyes open to them.

[00:10:07]But but this is a pocket a party mired in secrecy. They're you know, their record uh for openness in government isn't great, you know, I think we've all had FOIs from them that are more redaction than than you know, than actual text. And this just kind of adds to that that reputation they've got. And also as well, you see it in the direct too. They want a second independence referendum.

[00:10:30]They want to negotiate with Westminster government.

[00:10:33]Westminster parties.

[00:10:35]And yet they're treating they may treat the UK Parliament so disdainfully they won't even cooperate with an inquiry.

[00:10:41]You know, if John Swinney was smart, he'd be trying to get make an inch of progress on Indyref2 by being more diplomatic with the UK government. But this is just going to harden relations between the Scottish government and the UK government. And so I think their overall objective is is going to be as far away as ever.

[00:11:01]Yeah, it was like he's playing a bad hand here.

[00:11:05]I think that he should clever position would be to accept there's going to be some kind of inquiry. And number two, I think that he is in very dangerous ground and that he seems determined not to break ranks with Nicola Sturgeon on this. Um >> That's what it comes down to me.

[00:11:26]>> Yeah, I I I think I think that is the the root of it. And I I I just don't know if that's really position that can be maintained. There is no even if we accept Nicola Sturgeon's timeline on what she knew and when she knew it, there has clearly been a catastrophic and unacceptable um failure of judgment at the beginning of this when she refused to um accept that you couldn't have a husband and wife running that as chief executive and party leader. And there is then another catastrophic error of judgment at the end where she shut down anyone that asked questions. Um I I just don't think it's a maintainable position for John Swinney not I mean in in fact John Swinney has apologized for this scandal, but Nicola Sturgeon is refusing to and I think in that context I just think I don't think it's really a maintainable position for John Swinney to continue giving Nicola Sturgeon his backing and to try to protect her from further scrutiny or criticism in this.

[00:12:32]>> As you see, even if you accept that Nicola Sturgeon didn't know anything about her husband stealing, the financial controls in place when she was SNP leader were shocking. I mean, he was allowed to sign off his own expenses. I mean, you cannot do that in the private sector. You know, if you have a hus- Yeah, if you have a husband and wife team running a political party, the financial controls must be beyond reproach. But they were the opposite.

[00:12:56]They were slack. They allowed this fraudster to nip in and nick 400 grand of SNP money. So, I mean, Nicola Sturgeon's biggest problem for me is that even if she's telling the truth and you know, there's no reason to doubt that. Well, um the truth from her point of view doesn't great for her either. You You know she should have been like, "I didn't know that this was happening."

[00:13:17]Well, maybe you should.

[00:13:18]>> Yeah.

[00:13:19]>> You know, she's the she was the SNP leader. She has to make sure the her finances and and people raised that.

[00:13:25]It's not as if people weren't warning her about it, but she just completely dismissed it because of course the party name, the good name of the party and you know, comes above all else. I also think you know, John Ollie tape the actions of the Crown Office I think need to be looked at as well.

[00:13:40]When you think of the timings of this and that I don't want to go down a kind of tin tin foil hat route here, but you know, the the Operation Branchform uh Branchform was launched just after the 2021 referendum uh sorry, election and then the whole Saga happens to come to an end 3 weeks after the next election and I know the sun gave them the opportunity to push it on, but you know, there's that relationship now between the you know, the Lord Advocate and the Scottish cabinet that really needs to be you know, because again regardless of the innocence of it, the optics of it are dreadful. But you know, you've got this person sitting in cabinet who's you know, head of the Crown Prosecution Service and it just seems that every the timing of everything's went on has been in the SNP's favor electorally. Now, I'm not saying that there's anything dodgy going on, but again the the people see that and and we need to get answers to it. We the public deserve to know how these decisions came about.

[00:14:38]>> We had a story this morning, Professor James Mitchell, veteran SNP watcher. He said that if Murrell's guilty plea had been entered in April, i.e. heading an election rather than a few days after the election, it would have had a major impact on the result and the SNP green coalition majority would have been at risk. You buying it?

[00:14:59]>> Oh, yeah, absolutely. I mean, we've seen before the election, I think it was more in common than than some research that the the negative story with the biggest cut through of the SNP was Operation Branchform.

[00:15:12]But of course, no one could really discuss that because the Murrell stuff get pushed down and and don't want to get into you know, there are certain newspapers and other media outlets in this I I I don't think it's enough airtime, but we'll maybe move on from that.

[00:15:26]But the fact of the matter is they could have had it in April. They could have pushed it to April, but they pushed it to May till after the election. The opportunity was there and they've done it. And it might again, it might be you know that that's the that's just the process, but we deserve you know, the public deserves to know that because there's no doubt at all that that decision to push tomorrow's court hearing until after the election had an impact on the results of the Scottish election. And we might be what a very different Scottish Parliament. I think if there's an election tomorrow, we'd be looking at a very different Scottish Parliament. What impact do you think it had?

[00:16:04]>> I mean, it's an interesting question, isn't it?

[00:16:06]Would the SNP have still won the election >> they would.

[00:16:09]>> even if all this stuff had come out before the election? I don't know what that state of devolution.

[00:16:18]I mean, I think if you had to Crown Office, I think they would really damned if they didn't damned if they didn't with this in the sense that it'd been a 5-year investigation of the it it come to a head a couple of weeks before the election, they would be probably facing even more vehement accusations of this being a political stunt up to try to harm the SNP. I think that given the amount of time that had passed, you it was you know, it to have done it before would have been pretty bad. Um but I do tend to think that people, you know, Crown Office is genuine. I don't think it's a corrupt organization.

[00:17:00]>> I think it's ridiculous.

[00:17:01]>> I you know, a corrupt person, you know, it's any lawyer you talk to will say she's been a very good Lord Advocate in fact and has you know, there's the idea of questioning her integrity is just not really fair. Um I do think that you know, right back to the beginning though that is like you this investigation took five years.

[00:17:21]People tend to forget that the timeline on it was that Police Scotland started operation branch form 2021 pretty much nothing happened for three years until the National Crime Agency in London got involved. There's all still this sort of question mark over exactly what was going on behind the scenes there when Police Scotland apparently asked them to review their investigation and it was clearly after that that suddenly everything really got stepped up. Um so yeah, I mean these are the kind of things that people would deserve to know what was going on and that is exactly these sorts of questions that some sort of parliamentary inquiry would get to the bottom of.

[00:18:06]>> So I'm just looking at the potential issues that are still to be resolved in this. So um Peter Murrell sentencing which is later this month this potential parliamentary inquiry could get civil action against the SNP from people who lost it financially a proceeds of crime action and also a possible second police probe into the indirect donations. So this could drag on for years.

[00:18:33]>> Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think you you could put on to that list the possibility of a judicial review um which these things are expensive but there's so much public outrage out there over this thing you know you've got this crowdfunding avenue. So yeah, I mean the SNP could end up embroiled in this thing for another decade. It's >> I thought I thought the Salmond Sturgeon fallout was the biggest story there was in but I think this is >> Oh yeah.

[00:19:02]I mean they're all they're all they're all linked >> They're all interlinked in some ways aren't they?

[00:19:06]>> Like I mean they're all well I fascinating question. Do you think of the Scottish government hadn't taken the decision in 2026 20 2017 Sorry, 2016 2017 to go after Salmond um over the um sexual harassment allegations of that decision had never happened, would any of this happen?

[00:19:35]I suspect not.

[00:19:36]>> No.

[00:19:37]No, sorry.

[00:19:37]>> You mean that Murrell would have got away with it?

[00:19:40]>> Yeah, there was no thinking anyone would ever have known anything about it.

[00:19:43]>> Or they they might have been more inclined to look the other way. You know, I think the Alex Salmond thing has kicked it up.

[00:19:50]I suspect nobody would have been asking questions about >> the finances, looking at where money from ring-fenced funds had gone to, sort of pushing and pushing everything on. I think that Alex Salmond probably had a lot to do with all of that behind the scenes. Um >> Sam has folk point out as well that for him, Murrell was a thief even back in the 1990s when he worked for Salmond.

[00:20:15]>> Took >> petty cash or I don't know what the exact circumstances were, but it was a a few hundred quid that went missing.

[00:20:22]>> I don't understand why they kind of come out with that line. I don't think it makes Alex Salmond look good. It makes him look I don't know. Why did he then let Murrell stay? You know, we know that John he got the job under 2000. And then Alex Salmond comes back in 2004. Alex Salmond knows he's a thief. He says, "Oh, I'm going to keep him on as chief as chief executive [clears throat] when when he can get his, you know, fingers in the pot." I I I I I I don't think that's quite the gotcha for the Salmond camp that they think it is. I think it actually makes him look weak and him look well makes him look complicit in some way.

[00:20:55]You know, why you know, why didn't he raise these concerns? Why didn't he boot Murrell out?

[00:20:59]>> The strange one is that I think the idea is that he was involved in some sort of petty theft. Alex Salmond felt >> Sorry >> Sorry for him and I kind of giving him a slap on the wrist and let him keep his job. But ultimately had in the back of his mind that he was not of the highest levels of personal integrity.

[00:21:19]>> And then and then kept him on his chief executive for 10 years.

[00:21:23]>> [laughter] >> Just Yeah, I mean it's it's mind-boggling.

[00:21:27]>> Yeah.

[00:21:29]>> [laughter] >> Uh we'll just move on from uh branch foreman moral for a second and think this one of us protest following the Belfast knife attack or hundreds of demonstrators, uh many of whom had their faces covered.

[00:21:44]I guess John, the point to make here is that protest is fine, but thuggery, racism, and violence are never fine.

[00:21:52]>> Yeah, [clears throat] I mean the incident in Northern Ireland is horrific. Um it's perfectly legitimate to ask questions about immigration, etc. But it's just really sad and unacceptable if you have people in Glasgow like you know, going trying to deliver takeaways on bikes suddenly being abused and attacked in the in the street because of the color of their skin. That's a extremely sad place for us to find ourselves in.

[00:22:25]You just really hope that the new intake of reformed MSPs at parliament can see that stoking this stuff is a really bad path to go down.

[00:22:39]>> I mean, what is it they're protesting about you know, other than the horrific incident in Northern Ireland?

[00:22:44]>> Well, I mean it was all very unsavory. Um I I and I think you know, you make the point protest is fine, but you know, I don't I I don't really see why battering some random in the street is you know, sticking it to the deep state as these is seem to kind of think it is.

[00:23:02]one of the point I would make on it is you know we speak about protest about protest in Edinburgh.

[00:23:08]Full cup prepared in here as well I think.

[00:23:11]And you know John Sweeney won't them in with what happened in Glasgow which I think is a kind of dangerous route to go down because whether you agree with those protests or not people have a right to protest and I think people who are maybe there and you can have your opinions on what type of people might have went to it and who was there and you know you can have your opinions on what they were or were protesting about but they have a right to gather and and I think it was a mistake for John Sweeney to lump them in with what happened in Glasgow.

[00:23:41]>> What was the suspicion of people who are who are protesting with their faces covered?

[00:23:45]>> Yeah, absolutely. If you if you if you can't you know if you believe in something that strongly then you should you know >> It's like you know you're doing something wrong.

[00:23:52]>> Well enough to but I mean if you're going with your face covered and you are intending breaking the law but people in Edinburgh etc. weren't breaking the law. People in Glasgow were.

[00:24:02]You know I think if you if you believe in something that much have the have the strength of character to you know show your face but I think as well you know quite a lot of that is just young boys spoiling for a fight and it doesn't really matter what the fight is about they just they just want to fight.

[00:24:23]You know what I mean I don't think you can actually play down how how big a part that that that will play in things like this. It's young boys frustrated young boys and angry young men who just want to lash out at anything.

[00:24:33]>> But I mean I think that is always the deal but the danger then is when you've got Nigel Farage calling for rage over incidents that to be honest I'm I'm not really convinced that there was any racial element to the incident in the UK sorry in in England well, some white guy has been handcuffed after being stabbed. I think that was a very tragic mistake. I don't really I don't I'm not quite buying the idea that >> I think that's what Humza Yousaf is more than pushed the narrative.

[00:25:10]>> because it was it was white the police have made a a mistake, but to call for rage over immigration policy on the back of that, I think is really irresponsible.

[00:25:21]>> [snorts] >> All right, let's move on to a happier subject, the World Cup. So, um the the men's team will be taking part in the World Cup later this week. I think the first time in 1998.

[00:25:33]Um First Minister John Swinney is going to be there, as well his sports minister, Marie Todd. Both of them, I think, are there on official business.

[00:25:41]Two other members of the government, Stephen Flynn and Alison Thewlis, are also going to be in America. I think they've been given a a pass or have been slipped by the First Minister, effectively given permission. There's been some criticism of the fact that this quartet are in the World Cup when the parliament is still sitting. Do you sympathize with the criticism?

[00:26:02]>> I mean, it kind of feels a little bit like killjoyish, doesn't it, to start moaning about ah they shouldn't be at the World Cup or they shouldn't shouldn't be there. I mean, I'm not entirely convinced that four members of the Scottish government need to be there on sort of official business. Um I'm to be honest, I'm quite surprised that there hasn't been criticism of politicians going to the World Cup at all, given some of the things that America have been doing in the international stage over the last couple of years. Um >> Fashion days.

[00:26:34]>> Fashion days, yeah. So, like I mean, it's but yeah, I don't know. I just kind of think the cranberry thing we should all be doing at the moment is getting behind Scotland being Haiti in a couple of days' time, rather than complaining about what politicians are and aren't that.

[00:26:52]>> Talking about how you've got strong views on this.

[00:26:54]>> Well, I I I I don't have any issue with uh Sweeney or even Nicola being there. Um I don't even have an issue if Stephen Flynn or or Alison Johnstone nipped over for a game.

[00:27:07]But, I think 3 weeks is excessive at a time, you know, when the new government should be trying to hit the ground running.

[00:27:14]Stephen Flynn especially as a cabinet secretary, and he must have known he was getting lined up for a cabinet secretary job weeks ago, months ago, you know, when he when he built his way onto the uh you know, constituency ballot for [snorts] the election. Um And and of course, as ever with the SNP, the the hypocrisy is astounding because we know that John Sweeney himself in Parliament uh said Tory two Tory MSPs who went to Seville for about 2 days, incidentally, to watch Rangers in the Europa League final, were skiving off work.

[00:27:46]Yet, he's got two government ministers buggering off for 3 weeks. I mean, they won't be back at Holyrood until September. Well, this is And when you're a public servant, I do sympathize in some ways because especially I don't know how much about Alison Johnstone's support for the Scottish national team, but I know for a fact that Stephen Flynn is is is a big Scotland fan and has traveled all over Europe to watch Scotland.

[00:28:10]But, I think when you kind of devote yourself to public service, you know, you need to make sacrifices.

[00:28:16]And and you know, he's been given a really important brief. You know, I I know what AM campaigners were really keen to kind of try and you know, move this dual project on quickly. And then all of a sudden, the guy who you know, I mean, imagine they had to AM AM something in the next few weeks or something. And the transport secretary's in in in in you know, in Miami living it up.

[00:28:40]>> No way he was going to miss this World Cup, was there?

[00:28:42]>> No, of course. I take your point about the hypocrisy. I I yeah, you know, to criticize others and then yeah, but of course Scotland's first minister should be at the World Cup.

[00:28:51]>> [laughter] >> It's it's sports minister probably. The other two I mean, I think we can cope with it and being in Scotland for a couple of weeks.

[00:28:58]>> I don't I don't I don't I don't think that I don't think that Scotland's going to go backwards.

[00:29:02]>> No, but it's again it's your >> Po- politicians and junkets.

[00:29:08]You know, no more than further.

[00:29:09]>> I think as well if this was next year if the World Cup was next year and and they'd been in the role for a year or a bit, no I think they'd be less. But they they you know that they're only just getting to grips with their portfolios.

[00:29:20]And yet they're like, "Oh, you know what? I'm I'm off." And and >> I think I just think it's actually it's it's it's really hypocritical and I don't think it's a great look.

[00:29:32]>> In the unlikely event I was a minister, I'd be off to Spain as well. I would definitely be over there.

[00:29:36]>> Well, didn't you didn't you cancel holiday to cover the general election 2024?

[00:29:40]>> Oh, no. Thank you for pointing that out.

[00:29:41]Yeah, I was a model of professionalism.

[00:29:43]>> But that's a man, you know, that's a man committed committed to his task.

[00:29:46]>> Yeah, no that's true. Um shame on you, Stephen Flynn.

[00:29:49]>> No, I don't I don't begrudge him at all.

[00:29:52]>> You know, there's a double benefit to going to America for a month if you're a Scottish government minister. You can escape questions with Peter Murrell, so >> I I mean that's assuming that they get into America because I'm quite sure both of them have got some rather nasty things about Donald Trump on their on their social media accounts.

[00:30:07]He'll be trawling trawling through them.

[00:30:09]>> I wonder if any of the quartet will have problems with their arrest.

[00:30:13]>> Yeah. Yeah. That would be a good story.

[00:30:15]>> Stephen Flynn ends up getting turned back at the border.

[00:30:18]>> I'm sure John Swinney can just phone his good pal Donald Trump and get him.

[00:30:21]>> US immigration officials just scroll down Stephen Flynn's Twitter feed. Then I know you're not coming in tonight.

[00:30:26]>> No.

[00:30:27]On the first on the first flight back home, back to the A9 summit.

[00:30:32]>> All right, I think that wraps up. Um thanks very much to Doug and to John for joining me. Thanks also to Angus from the Record's video team who produced this episode. You can listen to Planet Hollywood on Spotify or Apple Podcasts or watch on the record YouTube channel.

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