Tripathi masterfully bridges actuarial precision with preventive medicine, offering a compelling roadmap for turning biological data into actionable longevity. It is a sophisticated argument for shifting healthcare from reactive firefighting to proactive, data-driven stewardship.
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Can Data Predict Your Next Disease? | Ft Varun Tripathi | TruPeak Health
Added:Could you elaborate on what do you mean by proactive healthcare?
Now when you look at the younger generation around 20 years old, they're constantly counting the amount of proteins that they have. That is called proactive healthcare. What is the gut microbiome test? Your gut lining is the second brain as they call it. 95% of the diseases or chronic ailments are born in your gut. Senior I have studied the data of Marwari families eating papar and not eating papa and connecting that to disease.
Wow. Today we spoke with Varunati. Vun comes from a background of data. He calculates data. He figures out patterns and according to that he figures out the way ahead for many industries including medicine.
A data pool of rural women in a certain part of the country who's inhaling cha gas. So that is what convinced us to tell the government that okay the first subsidy that they should be giving is LPG subsidy because to make LPG affordable so that their cancer cases could go down. Why did you come in the longevity industry? People think of longevity as oh I want to live longer.
It's to live healthier. So longevity is equivalent to quality of life completely.
>> Okay. So we have Vun Tripati with us and before we go into asking the lot of questions that we've designed for him.
Vun welcome.
>> Thank you.
>> I want you to firstly describe yourself.
Tell us about your background. What do you do? So I'm a qualified actuary. Now >> what is an actuary?
>> Actual science is a very evolving degree which basically there are very few number of acties in the country.
>> Okay.
>> And actually study statistical models with regards to healthcare outcomes, insurance companies, fintech as well as like you know a plethora of sectors. So the time that I graduate in 2008, I was fortunate enough to see the privatization of the health insurance sector. I could say the life insurance and the health insurance and that gave me access to a lot of data models which helped me study disease markets with a 10 20 30 year horizon.
>> So you're a maths guy, >> math nerd a lot of people call it.
>> So you have to read a lot of statistics >> uh read sada more calculate and read a lot of data and organize it in more ways to find the correlation of certain elements.
>> Where do you find these data? Where does it originate? So initially obviously when we graduated around 20089 there were no models or even technology was not as advanced as capturing data but the concept of big data was invented in 20145 or let's say branded in 2014 >> and since then most of the companies whether you take companies that are even in you know consumer technology or even this thing all of them are consciously collecting data to see patterns. So luckily like a lot of private data comes into markets. There are companies like AC Nielson and others that also consciously collect data big consulting firms as we call it the big four as well as government resources that are just committed with collecting data and hopefully giving it to research scientists like me >> like a NITIOG.
>> Nitiog is one of the this things one of the things Niti Aayog has organizations under it that does the statistics. So uh does it require for one to be an MBA or >> No no absolutely in fact that is something I've not been able to explain to my mother also till today an MBA is a very different degree again MBA focus on finance strategy marketing >> yes >> but actually are guys who work with either strategy executives >> and help them execute that strategy or they are mainly into pricing >> so now today even the insurance policy has to be profitable not only for the vendor but also for the eventual guy who will be paying for the Sure the >> beneficiary the end customer and that's why if you notice I think we've been fairly successful in the Indian context part to the regulatory agencies also that India probably has some of the cheapest and most affordable insurance in the world right >> with probably the ratio of the coverage is phenomenal correct when you cover like this thing so I think you know the insurance sector in India still has a long way to go but I think you know I would like to credit acturies as the backbone of the insurance sector at least. So you you handle a lot of statistics, you read up a lot of data and you create patterns. So are you like a think tank in a person?
>> Uh I think the team would be a think tank.
>> Okay. As I said, I sit with some MBAs also as well as this thing and our job is again to be able to identify certain patterns >> and either escalate them to others or dive deeper into certain patterns or maybe even request for data for certain patterns that we observed at a very early stage >> and then like you know hopefully the magic happens after that.
>> Superb. So what do you do at True Peak?
>> So >> and what is True Peek?
>> Okay. uh Troopy Health is actually a restorative healthcare center that was started to not only enhance people's longevity but also to become I would say a bastion of proactive and preventive healthcare. Now, Tupi was born out of the five founders personal experiences.
>> Before we go into that, sorry to cut you. Could you elaborate on what do you mean by proactive healthcare because it is a very unheard uh term that uh you've used. Not many people know about what is proactive healthare.
>> Hardly people know about preventive healthare and then diagnostic healthare or post-dagnosis healthcare.
>> So, can you just elaborate on that? So now let me break it generationally. Yes, millennials, Gen Z, all these. Now when you look at the younger generation around 20 years old, they're constantly counting the amount of proteins that they have.
>> Now when I was 21, I was eating pouch. I was not like counting protein.
So now that is called proactive healthare >> where they are watching what they are eating where they are watching their weight you know for whatever reasons whether they just want to look good but they are consciously understanding okay these these are the carbs that I need to take these are the certain what we call precision nutrition in our way >> preventive health is where you know that there is either a family history of either heart disease >> predisposition >> predispositions BA one or BA 2 for breast cancer >> to you are taking precautions that comes under the preventive care >> and restorative care is when you have messed up your health in a certain way >> and then you want to get back to your this thing or maybe like you have some chronic disease >> where you want to at least kind of recover back to your best self >> that's why the word true peak is branded in a way that to achieve to help you achieve the peak version of your health >> so is true peak not a wellness center >> I think absolutely that is where I like see there's a very big difference between wellness and well-being okay and the important thing in wellness is now today people are including spas and wellness people are doing sound therapy people are doing all these kinds and see it will definitely help some people people who are under chronic stress or even aggravated levels of what we call hypertension might help them there's no data to prove it because sorry I come from that but they it'll help >> when it comes to troop it is a complete doctor-driven center >> so even there is so much patient data that is not shared with me despite being a founder of troop and being a non-medical >> so the idea here is to be able to help people at a very individualistic on scale >> that is what we are trying to achieve here at >> so when you when you founded true peak what was your goal as somebody who was a non-medical >> so there's a certain this thing of entrepreneurship also in me because like I said I had access to so much data where I saw so many white spaces that exist that have not been either I would say exploited or even attended to for that matter >> and while that was definitely always in my mind okay field start up >> but obviously there was a personal angle to it also where I live in a joint family and I lost my own aunt to breast cancer >> and she passed away unfortunately 2010 when technology was not that this thing and I being the male running around as you can see for the this thing and I that is when I started studying breast cancer as an industry >> and I realized okay you know feeling that feeling of helplessness also at that point of time was always in the back of my mind Okay.
>> And so I think there was a I would say a capitalist motive as well as a personal motive to start.
>> So you studied data of on healthcare for years.
>> Yes.
>> Did you see something which the doctors missed out and that motivated you?
>> Now see doctors essentially don't study that much data.
>> Because the kind of access that we have an individual doctor maybe even a group of doctors if he's going for a conference >> the data is not institutional data. We dat 100 patients to 50 patients. When we are tracking data pools from an Indian context, we are studying data of close to 20 lakh, 30 lakh people, 2 or 3 billion. And the trends are more visible >> when you get such a large data pool >> like say a data pool of rural women >> in a certain part of the country who's inhaling chlea gas if you understand because they were cooking on the this thing. So that is what convinced us to tell the government that okay the first subsidy that they should be giving is the LPG subsidy >> because to make LPG affordable so that their cancer cases.
>> So is that the motivation for the LPG subsidies or the cylinders?
>> I don't want to take sole credit but that was one of the things that we had submitted back in the day and luckily it was implemented in 2014 since the new government came in. So you know at a sizable level >> so in our country because we often you know dismiss the fact and we just brush it off that in our country there is no system nobody looks after the data there is no uh culture of uh figuring out the patterns you are saying that you were going through data of in patients in lacks >> is there an institution which does this >> see in fact like I would say that now this has become a priority initiative of the government collecting data and identifying these kind of things not just in healthcare but even in the wider range even are their schemes working actually >> and you know then recalibrating their schemes from that >> and I feel that like >> there was a drastic change what we saw in the last 10 years from the government where with regards to if you look at the apps that you have on your phone whether it starts with your digatra or even you know during covid where there's a massive data gathering initiative >> so I think the government is definitely like making big strides es in the data collection front >> and I think it'll only improve healthare outcomes as well as overall wellbeing outcomes in the future. So as a data guy >> we speak about when we talk about data from the western perspective we've heard a lot of uh things like this particular app takes like 15 data points on one person 230 data points on one person is it that uh specific when we collect data in India is it that region specific is it that ethnicity specific is it that uh religion specific what is the way because there are many factor facs even if you suppose you were only looking after data related to healthcare >> but there are a lot of parameters that are involved into it your background your financial capabilities your ethnicity your locality the exposure that you have to pollution >> does that data you know look after all of these scenarios >> so I think that is a very good point or the pathway that you've taken in terms of in fact American data is more random Mahan Indian data >> really >> Indian data I mean I have studied the data of Marwari families eating papad and not eating papad and connecting that to disease.
>> Wow.
>> Can you believe that? So like you know our specific like you talk about I won't take names but we've tested certain diseases and correlated their occurrences in certain religions even more because of their food habits and certain these things >> and we've also created data on correlation of fasting >> with certain chronic diseases that you know like what we assume that fasting is always good but in certain scenarios it might not be good >> we've studied data for that also >> so like when I say specific it is going into micro markets Like I said with the LPG example, >> we are when we go we go to a certain market and we don't mix that data with other markets >> and I think that is one thing where the support of the government agencies has been very pivotal I would say to conduct these studies.
>> But Vun in my life I have never filled up a form where I'm giving all these details about myself.
>> See it's >> where do these are collected >> path level you got it mad I think people in cities are always too busy. You got it with regards to other things and while you might have filled your data on Aadhaar and all these other things. Got it. But like as I said and now today even if you go to a hospital don't forget your hospital bill will be linked to the Aadhaar card.
>> So you know people are anyway getting that data without taking it from you. No one willingly gives data.
>> So a person data points read.
>> See it's very difficult to quantify but it could be as many as 3,500.
>> What?
>> That much? Yeah. 3,500 data points per person.
>> I spend on your credit card, I can get that. I can, you know, maybe even like uh put you in that, you know, health category based on your weight. If you last visited a hospital, all that gets fed into the central ecosystem.
>> Bro, that's not third world at all.
>> Not at all. That's why I'm saying see this is a perception of third world.
It's absolutely Indian healthcare is so advanced and it's like we are just touching like what we saw the >> I know for a fact they the west hardly has 60 data points per person. See they don't have the manpower also and they don't have the population firstly >> got it to be able to give that that is one of the luxury of being one of the largest populated countries in the world >> is that why we are too good in farmer >> I think that's why we are the most affordable in farmer let's put it like that good but is a relative concept we can become better always >> superb superb so after reading all of these datas and you know doing all the maths sitting behind a table I would imagine you doing the maths and coming up with patterns. Why did you come in the longevity industry?
>> See the patterns is what kind of encouraged me.
>> Okay.
>> Because like I said being one of the largest populated countries in the world and one of the youngest countries in the world if I can say in terms of population demographic >> and with a population that is readily adopting proactive healthare measures like we did fight >> right. So I think India stands at the pressure where see every government has a very big health care bill that they have to pay in terms of subsidies or you know running government hospitals. Now today if we can optimize that by 2% also >> that will save our country close to at least $80 billion.
>> So like that is the aim of the longevity sector to be able to impact people not only extend lifespan. See people think of longevity as oh I want to live longer. That is not the case of longevity. It's to live healthier and that indirectly impacts the bill of the government also. So it should be the government's priority agenda to push this also apart from like this thing.
What is longevity industry? Is it just like is it science? Is it or is it just a premium packaging or is there any functional purpose behind it? What how would you see it?
>> See I I think you've touched up the right points again. It is complete science unfortunately surrounded by premium package >> because the issue here is that if I don't make a center that is ultra premium >> people will not believe it is good >> there's the concept of price illusion economics that is one of the things that they teach you like a Louis Vuitton bag they will pay a premium amount but there is a status symbol or a price tag oh I spent so much on a bag and that's why it must be good >> it doesn't have to be good >> so the same thing with I'll give you an example there are people from Uttar Pradesh coming to Bombay to get operated at Beach Candy Hospital as well as maybe an Amani or others and spending four lakh rupees on a hernia surgery that can be done in Uttar Pradesh for 50,000 >> by perception.
>> This is where Amitab Bachan goes to get operated. This is where some other celebrity goes to get operated. So it's not that the UP doctor is not as qualified as this thing.
>> But it's just perception. I want to go to the best place. It's a matter of my health. I want the best like possible outcome that there is. But that does not also mean that if you are in a rural area that the hospital that is next to you is as good as a Tata memorial hospital.
>> No, absolutely not. But that's the beauty. Now see when you take Tata Memorial specification, there are seven other Tata memorials that have opened up. And can I tell you something now?
This is another perception problem with India. If you see a doctor in let's say a South Bombay beach candy hospital or a Liawati that does not mean that he is better than the guy at Banara Hindu University or at Gujarat cancer research institute because the data that now just to give you perspective like a government large government institution >> has five cancer hospitals inside >> so imagine the experience of those doctors >> the exposure >> the exposure of those doctors to a wide variety of cases >> imagine so it's all about data see at the end of the day no one asks a doctor which college Have you passed out from >> as long as he's a surgeon and his experiential learning is very good.
>> Got it? Because you will not care if your guy has passed out from maybe the top college in Bombay.
>> But at the end of the day, he has a reputation in the market. He has the experiential learning and he has the calm and the confidence of certain surgeons that you just met. You know >> what really interests me about what you do or what you used to do and your background is that no matter what you do in life data and people who study data somewhat their decision directly or indirectly affect everybody's lives.
>> See I would like to believe that we had some decision-m capability.
>> Correct. Our job is also to guide >> because if I was in government today and I had to create a plan to do something for the healthare I would consider people like yourself where I need to have the access to data and to figure out the patterns.
>> So what you deduce out of those data are is actually going to change my life.
>> See I I appreciate where you're coming from. See one part is creating a strategy and the other part is implementing it.
>> Right? So one thing that was a partly frustrating part also of my prior experience was that there were so many interesting outcomes that were given and many of them were done and so again like you know I don't blame any state or this thing government or any organizations but why do you think we came into starting something of our own >> because we realized how much of a priority it is >> got it like taking matters into our own hands in our own fledgling capacity knowing that the data exists knowing that there is a dirt in the market if we can impact people's lives for the better. M >> at least that way. So like as I said you know this is where that >> blind there is a perception that to achieve longevity is a rich man's next high since a rich person can afford almost everything >> is longit is longevity the next thing they want to buy >> I think this is that uh continuation on that premium packaging thing that you mentioned earlier >> correct >> and see again I don't mean to again take names but a very famous founder of a very big laptop top and a this company could have also thrown money and gotten whatever this thing he wants, right? M >> so the thing is while it's the rich people who have spoiled the sector because they want those premium facilities >> and unfortunately to start we need to give them that >> but as you expand this has to become the common man's bastion >> and believe me there is tremendous scope to reduce the pricing in this sector on scale >> and make it because see who doesn't want to live a happy life and healthy life longer >> with the family >> think of it as a basic distinct marker of So the point is key yes it's unfortunately very celebritydriven and I would say rich industrialist driven in that sense >> but I think the common man is >> but that is what we see >> that's what we see because that those are the loud voices in the and I don't mean disrespectful because I follow most celebrities like if you notice Angelina Jolie's done more for the breast cancer movement unfortunately than some other people am I allowed to take her >> okay then this is out in the >> if Angelina Julie sues us it will be good for us I think anyway Jokes apart I but you know my question is >> as a lay man as a regular person you don't you are not really concerned about you know uh longevity >> because you are surviving dayto-day >> absolutely >> you know that is why it is seen in a way that it is oh because the rich person is so secure in their life they have to figure out whether they live longer than a regular person.
>> Absolutely. And that brings me to my next question. Is longevity not just anti-aging repackaged?
>> Now again that is a very South Korean narrative I think but uh I wouldn't want to mix longevity and anti-aging.
>> Okay.
>> And they are two very different uh these things. Now longevity again clear or the pursuit of longevity if I can say is more about calibrating your own health understanding a very individualized outcome or maybe a family genetic pool kind of an outcome and then kind of making accommodations for that whether by eating right by taking the right kind of supplements as well as this thing >> and I think it should be a very democratic outcome >> at least from what we are trying to achieve. Why do you think anti-aging is considered like this monstrous tide of time? Why can't we just accept it healthily and be healthy at the age that we are in? We don't have to become younger to become healthier.
>> What do you have to say about that? I think the anti-aging narrative was pushed a lot by I would say the FMCG companies and the creams that I would say like you know and serums and all the other snail and >> I can't know all the other animals and which is why I think that has done a little bit of disservice to the longevity movement >> just looking younger does not mean you're healthier >> correct >> that way so I mean which is why I said key let's displace or rather segregate the anti-aging and the longevity aspect and the longevity aspect is where you might not look younger than your age but you will look be healthy by at least let's say calibrating your biological blueprint like I said and which is what we are completely focused on >> and why not be focused on looking healthier rather than looking younger >> uh that is again I would also blame Bollywood a little with that because I think Bollywood is that aspiration this thing that everyone aspires to like everyone wants a Bollywood >> but I think Bollywood is Bollywood is an easy scapegoat because see you on the screen you want to look at things that are good-looking.
>> Got it. Absolutely.
>> And for that, if you want to be on the screen, you have to be good-looking. You have to be maintained and everything.
That is not their fault. The fault is that we expect that projection to be, you know, put on us.
>> See, I don't mean to take any personal things.
>> No, I understand. I'm just telling you such a big influencer that understand that there is a certain like even I would say I wouldn't want to call it an ethical this thing that comes with it.
But I think a lot of celebrities are endorsing a lot of products which I think they've not researched it which I think again kind of goes down that thing where yeah there's a very big I I would be a little more responsible I would say before putting if I am a celebrity and if I'm putting my voice and my image on a particular product I would like to read about that and you know it can't just be a narrative key why does the government not ban it because one of the celebrities had said that I will promote it if the government is not banning it I'll promote I think that's not the right narrative. ity. That's my personal opinion. Again, it's not like this thing. But like I said, longevity is something where Bollywood is such a big aspiration for people to like this thing whether it's fitness wise or even like you know dressing up wise. Absolutely that way that I think a little bit if we either temper it with a little more of research or more consciousness >> more consciousness of not endorsing certain brands. I think it would just be a win-win situation for everyone.
>> I think it pays for a lot of yachts that they buy.
uh you co-ounded True Peak. What are the services that I can go and find at True Peak?
>> So now True Peak basically has 22 different headings if I had to get into.
>> Okay.
>> But the first thing that we are actually focusing on is metabolic syndromes which normally people are insulin resistance what people talk about obesity. Now obesity is a gateway to 50 other diseases. Whether it is different types of cancers, whether it is coronary heart disease, whether it's chronic kidney disease, 50 others. So by solving those problems at the grassroot level, we are able to maybe even prevent and or cure a lot of other things like we've reversed diabetes for over 14 patients till now already >> already.
>> Yeah. And they were like in the last 4 months, 5 months of operation. And uh like these are people who've been uh chronic diabetics for the last maybe 6 years 8 years >> that type just by understanding and you know and there are no like I would say deep sacrifices that we expect to make what we do is a very fundamental data sharing that what is happening in a silo now you might have a fitness trainer who works with you might have a dietitian you might have a doctor and you might have a psychologist and all of them are independently working with you they're not talking to each other >> here we have all the resources in who are committed to enhancing patient welfare and which is where our main motto I would say is to prevent someone from becoming a patient >> but like I said there are many proactive healthare seekers who come to us many restorative healthcare seekers who come to us so our aim is to give you the best possible outcome >> so do you give out prescriptions do you give out drugs so one thing we consciously do is that we only administer drugs we don't sell drugs so that gets us the authenticity also because when I'm writing a prescription and selling the drug inhouse there's a propensity to overprescribe and that has been an issue with the healthcare industry a chronic problem that doctors have a tendency to overprescribe. M >> so while coming up with the model we were conscious that we will not sell supplements we will tell you we'll give you multiple brands of supplements that you can have but you can go out and you can buy them you don't have to buy them in house so when we make a prescription from you you also know that it's authentic I have nothing to gain from that prescription and any other like you know whether it is the GP1 gip uh peptides that we are giving certain other FDA approved peptides that we give in house we only administer it unless it's a bedridden patient then we send a nurse to your house and we get it sorted out otherwise >> so everything that you give out >> administer is FDA certified >> completely >> and uh Indian compliances are also done >> completely. So Indian FDA, American FDA as well as several other licenses even halal certified someone came and asked us once. So like you know we just made sure that we have that also.
>> Okay.
>> Like you know we have the CDSO license.
>> So do you give out like IV drips? We give IV drips but not to just anyone who wants to come and ask me for an IV like how glutathione has become one of the most this things in the market but we only give glutathione to people who've been diagnosed with fatty liver because what glutathione does is basically it helps you with your liver function >> and because of that there's a glow on your face.
>> So people have been abusing glutathione just to look better or look fairer. So we don't do that you know we will come if you have done a test outside and given me a fatty liver report you know there's a test called fibro scan and then we do we have monthly sessions where we do free free fibro scans for people where they come they diagnose and then we advise lut but not proactively like actually I will have a devil's advocate question here from somebody who is not really into you know going into a center which does preventive care or proactive care who probably does not have any exposure.
If they are listening to you, they would rather think that it is just another you know scam. This is just another uh gimmick and uh ultimately if I take up a drug or if I take an IV, it is biohacking my natural body.
uh how would you you know present your case to somebody who has that mentality is coming to true peak or taking up a program is biohacking.
So I I think again see the word biohacking is used a lot out of context also but first let me answer the first part of the question in fact you know we call them the Philistines in our work those who don't believe >> and you'll be surprised >> you call them what >> it's a word it's a philistine or non-believer that's right not Palestine nothing to do with that all right so basically in fact a larger number of people coming to us are philistines >> okay >> and the thing with that is not about selling or packaging or converting A very simple narrative here is that when I was obese, I was 47 kgs heavier in early 2025.
>> So you yourself have been >> I am patient zero at true peak by the way.
>> Oh wow.
>> That's right. So the thing here was when I was 47 kgs heavier and I'm still a work in progress. Let me tell you >> the problem was not just my weight. The problem was my chronic backachche that was preventing me from walking, preventing me from working out, my continuous knee ache that would come and it would be throbbing.
>> And I was convinced I had slip disc. M >> till I did a test at true peak under our parameters. that time they were not fully designed and I realized it was a uric acid problem >> and then when I discovered the right problem I took one month of medication I was rid of my back pain when I could start working out I could start walking I could start cycling >> and because of that I accelerated and this was before GLP1s and GIP became very common knowledge they were not as available in the market as then I'm talking about end of 2024 early 2025 >> for those who don't know explain GLP1 in >> so GP1 GIP1 are the branded medicines for weight loss that have come on the market a GLP1 again I am allowed to take the brand name in terms of what they do is their appetite suppressants but at the same time they also work on your metabolic function where they increase insulin secretion in your body >> so basically say your metabolic rate also gets this thing you get this feeling of sati while eating you don't overeat you don't and you know it kind of results in a habit change >> where you constantly start avoiding the fatty foods if I can call it >> so I think they are a very good >> temporary fix or even If I could call it like let's say for someone who's obese needs to lose 40 kgs.
>> I think the GLP GIP1 drugs can help you get down by 20 kgs at least.
>> The rest 20 will completely be on your habit changes and the effort that you put in with the start that they've given.
>> Is it not addictive?
>> I don't think it is addictive as such.
Madam yes there are relapses of a smaller group of people who go back to a chronic lifestyle. Maybe that >> one of those drugs have recently been banned. I I suppose >> not at all no no these are not drugs firstly they are peptides >> so they peptides they are synthetic molecules which are this thing strains of amino acids that are put in your system so your system doesn't absorb them max you will just excrete them out through either loose motions or something like that so the beauty of peptides have been present for the last 40 years they just become fashionable in the last 2 years since Hollywood has started using them again >> and that's why if you look at their scientific names they are called semiglutide and tepatide which are different names for peptides or poly polyeptides as we say. So when there was a very famous movie that won the Oscar in fact called um okay I forget Matthew Mccon he basically gets AIDS um Dallas Buyers club >> now Dallas Buyers club was about peptides used to find AIDS back in the 70s and it's a true story >> so Dallas is a city in Houston again where there was a club for like you know people at that time it was associated being homosexual that if you get AIDS you're like this thing and at the same time they were using peptides to extend their lifespan as back in the 1970s So peptides have always been an existing they've just become fashionable in the last 2 years whether it's for skin related issues, weight related issues as well as other chronic issues and pain management and other things.
>> Okay. So you had access to data.
>> Yeah.
>> You had access to health care professionals, doctors.
>> You definitely somehow got some funding and created this space.
>> Why did you not just create a hospital?
Why did you have to create a place like True Peak, a center, a wellness center or what do you call it?
>> Wellbeing center.
>> A well-being center.
>> Why not a hospital?
>> Again, it's it's also a psychological disposition. Now, today I I went through my aunt's entire breast cancer journey, recovery, remission, and then eventual um relapse. And the psychological narrative here was I don't want to go to a hospital >> or I want to prevent going to a hospital like at least in this thing. And on top of that, see when you go to a hospital also the vibe again is not very personalized.
>> The doctor will see you for 10 minutes in his OPD. There'll be a long list of waiting maybe two three hours for something and then again getting your reports running around healthcare getting insurance covered. M >> so we identified several pain points that we wanted to cover at a personalized level >> and our main thing was even this personalized healthare can it be scaled >> and that is the beauty of the advent of AI and healthcare over the last four to 5 years >> that such a model would not have been possible in 2016 if you came to me >> and which is why when while it was always in my head for the longest time okay we should build this it became possible after the pandemic once the AI and healthcare took off in a very big way >> that's where like >> so what is the traditional knowledge gap that true peak is addressing >> that a regular hospital does not.
>> Now let me that's a very good question again because I just have so many examples. I I'll give you a very simple one because I think a lot of people might be able to relate to it. The thing is when I was 47 kgs heavier again I had these black spots that were coming all over my forehead and you know on my neck there's a word for it some medical word which I don't remember and I tried using some creams and all these things and they didn't go and one of the first things I did at two peak is my gut microbiome test and I basically recalibrated the colony of bacteria in my gut plane >> and because of that apart from losing the 10 20 kgs and getting the insulin back in place based on the regular markers all those parts vanished up there. Another lady who came to us as a client, she the first narrative was I've already been to four dermats. What can you guys do that will be different? The same thing we did for her. We gave her a gut microbiome test. She thought we will prescribe some expensive protocol to her with some laser machines and all the other M&RF and 50 other glass lasers. We didn't we gave her 8,000 rupees a gut microbiome and she's fine now. The marks have gone away. Imagine 8,000 treatment followed by some medicines. That's all.
So the point is key one thing we maintain very highly are our ethical standards. We will not overprescribe like I said that's why we don't sell medicines as of now >> and we will not just give you procedures if we think you don't need it or you've already done them and it's not worked >> so that's why so we not repackaging anything in this thing we are trying to let's say reinvent the wheel in a humble capacity. No, I know I'm aware uh for everybody who's listening to us and watching us uh this is not an advertised piece by True Peak. I have just uh been there. I have been a bene beneficiary of True Peak and that is why I have invited uh gentlemen from True Peak to you know share their ideas and I want to you know widen the reach of such a place to everybody. So advertisement. Why I want to say this is because if it benefits me, it is absolutely going to benefit you. You built a consortium of surgeons and doctors to start a well-being center as you put it. Why was that needed? Why did you not just have one doctor, one psychologist, um one therapist, one massage bed to start? Why did you have to have so many doctors of different specialtities and uh you know specifications? Why?
One simple word for that knowledge sharing. See as experienced as doctors are as exposed as doctors are to a wide data of patients today like we discussed in the beginning they still are specialists in their own field >> and diseases unfortunately or even conditions medical conditions are not so simplistic.
>> Sometimes they require a like I would say a complex intervention of a large pool of doctors working together. Let me give you a simple example. So uh for a lot of permenopausal women or menopausal or post-menopausal women we are doing something called the bio identical testosterone replacement therapies.
>> Now a hormone replacement HRTs.
>> Now that requires an endocrinologist, a gyneak, a general MD medicine doctor.
Apart from that the psychologist and the nutrition needs to create a diet chart which is in line with the treatment. M >> so when all these guys are talking to each other is when outcomes are even more enduring rather than a gynak doing it on her own. So like you know there are certain parameters that a gynak can't understand with regards to what an endocrine logologist comes into.
>> So which is where you know getting doctors together because doctors love to work in a silo believe me >> getting them together is the biggest challenge >> because everybody is the expert of their >> and everyone loves their own name to be promoted.
>> Got it. Now even in Bombay if you notice hospitals are known because of the doctor that operates there.
>> Correct. That's why and you know which is one thing you know when getting the doctors to agree to a bigger vision >> is something that I think we managed to accomplish here and where they are collaborating for a bigger >> and then a lot of data sharing is happening >> well internally as per protocols as per government regulations and all that stuff internally and obviously it has not been shared with a non-medical like me but you know with regards to just enhancing patient outcomes what we do >> in the years that you were you know reading ing data or calculating data or processing it. Did you see that in healthcare the treatment is more d uh the treatment is more uh preferable pred predictable because it is profitable than prevention.
>> So that's why I think two industries are at a little bit of a loggerhead. Let's say the hospital industry wants people to be the biggest revenue churn for a hospital is the ICU HBI and the insurance industry wants to invest in the preventive part of it because they want to like this thing whereas the hospitals almost 90% of a registered big hospital's revenues comes from insurance today. So the challenge there is key the data or the push is coming more from the insurance side of it >> which I think is you know and already like I said they've made great strides in the Indian context because the Indian insurance sector is like I said they've kept it so affordable for so long which I think is kudos to them >> and you know despite premium healthcare treatments >> I think even hospitals are getting there now because under gypsa which is the government insurance and pension schemes >> there have been certain uh benchmarks that have been set for certain surgeries. So hospitals can't just charge what they want like once upon a time. There's a limit to or an upper limit except cancer outcomes because cancer is more varied I say and there are multiple surgeries required sometimes >> but in other cases there is a standard that the government will approve for the insurance companies to pay. If the government, if the system has about 3,500 data points on a person, say an average, why do we not have a medical system that works much better on proactive care or prevention? M >> why do we not have a system where a where a a company like True Peak is not even required?
>> Absolutely.
>> You know if we had such a great system if we have so much data why is this gap?
>> See I I think uh there are two three reasons for that. one that I feel the government has been fairly successful and I don't mean any particular government I mean over the years like how we've successfully eradicated polio you know chickenpox or maybe even like you know a few of these other during co I think phenomenal performance with regards to getting the vaccines at a very affordable level >> and I think it is also a natural disposition of people to be afraid of healthare >> so while the government is offering a lot of uh they are doing vaccine drives in rural areas all over the It's the participation of the people willful default >> is something that is happening from the people kind because of a lot of misconceptions also >> some people think that they might not be able to procreate after getting some vaccine. There was a lot of certain community >> yeah well there is this antivaccine lobby >> lobby always. So the thing is that that misinformation cannot be managed after a point of time and especially in the time of social media it is amplified a little. So I think having that data and access and having a plan is one thing but there are so many execution challenges that come.
>> No but you you six seven people creating a place where you are working on preventive care where you are working on proactive care as you as you rightly explained. Why do we not have a system which encourages the medical fraternity to do it firsthand in a OG medical fashion? Like why do we not have hospitals doing such a thing? See again now that would be a conflict of interest from a business perspective. I think I'm just calling it out and see you need to understand that almost 50% of India's large hospitals also run by private equity funds and they come from a very serious capitalist motive. So they don't want to prevent disease in a I would say like because they want to fill up the ICU beds >> while there will always be a very big market because India is a very big market and chronic diseases but there's no motivation for them to do it.
>> Now today if you owned a hospital you would want the occupancy in the hospital to be very high. I'm just again uh please don't assume that I'm not being emotional about it. But like as I said from a if I was a hospital strategist I would not want to believe in fact I would want to spread a little more negative this thing about the preventive care movement also because I want my hospital to be fil.
>> So preventive care >> or proactive care is not promoted because it is not as profitable.
>> No I wouldn't say it's not as profitable. Yes. partly not as profitable but also it is a direct I would say maybe business threat to your existing business interest also. So while some hospitals are doing it, see I'll tell you one of the motivations of our own founding team was again because they've seen so many patients suffer that like you know to individually make their fledgling outcome with regards to a population demographic. But when you take a large chain of hospitals or something even some of them are consciously exploring the idea of getting into longevity chains but outside the hospital >> not inside the hospital because >> yeah because in most of the hospitals when you talk about such a thing they don't even want to entertain you.
>> Absolutely. they would just go by the conventional means very uh you know horse visioned and they don't want to explore anything out of the box >> and and see it is very I would say under the holistic protocol of treatment is very underestimated in hospitals >> holistic as a term itself is quite alienated in the medical fraternity surgery majority of them even laugh it off >> yeah and and the thing isenior Exactly.
Underestimate everything.
You know, you need some supplements. You will need the right kind of food. you will need the right kind of maybe interventions if you need and which is where I think you know it's very important that even doctors kind of come together to share that knowledge >> and do you think like in India you got together with another you know a few doctors of different uh you know u backgrounds >> and you created this place do you think it is as easy in the west to do something like this >> see I think in the west the doctors are a little more scared with their liability outcomes because I think the law of tors there is so distorted with regards to you know all the doctors are worried about getting sued for no fault of their own. So I think it'll be much more difficult to get them together >> in the west than compared to India >> because today there shouldn't be a mutual liability where let's say you engage in some malpractice also and just because I'm a partner of yours in a venture I should not get dragged down with that. So you know that is a bigger concern in the west.
>> Not that Indian doctors are doing any unethical but like you know at least in India people are not suing for just time pass if I can call it.
>> Is is India more encouraging to innovation such as your u company?
>> So uh I would say the doctors are definitely more open-minded as we are speaking to more and more >> but I think from a patient pool the American patient pool is more receptive >> if you get what I mean. Mhm.
>> So America wants preventive care and there are not enough providers that are giving them >> but India may there are people willing to provide preventive care but the patients are still okay you know do we need it do we like this thing >> the last I checked Americans are not even getting health care directly as easily >> that system is broken ab >> as easily as we are getting absolutely >> and we often ridicule our system I think it's very >> you know sometimes it is fair also but we should always look out and figure out how well we are placed Do you think uh we are behind in any way from the west in terms of cutting edge technologies or coming up with ideas which can you know prolong longevity? I I think where we are really behind from the west is in our investment in research and whether it comes to even obesity research, chronic disease research, diabetes research. If you look at institutions today like the renowned ones like whether you take uh the Methodist hospitals or the big hospitals in Houston or Zuckerberg General in San Francisco or New York Presbyterian or even u Sloanketing they have phenomenal research labs if I can call it >> whereas hospital research center >> you got so for some benefits that the government gives them that actual commitment to research is not there >> and uh and I think it is also about the universities that really propagate the research this thing. Whereas in India, if you look at IITs, the Indian Institute of Sciences are doing their bit in the research front.
>> I think that part is where India can really catch up on is putting more I would say uh fuel in the dollar or in the research aspect of healthcare because we have the data >> but I'll say we are only following what the west has been doing in terms of medical science for sure. Our hospitals are designed in the same way. Their protocols are followed, their uh you know prescription, their chart, their um science, everything is followed.
Western medicine cure that's a good question out there also.
So if they have not really been able to do anything >> in terms of curing a disease which is life-threatening, what is the point of having so many research centers, R&D labs with billions and billions of dollars of investment? Is it not just a you know rabbit wheel, mice wheel?
And there are some very phenomenal documentaries about u like the pharma lobby and the medical lobby in the west which is primarily even driving some research but lobbying for their own business.
>> Yes.
>> But um I think this is where China has got their model right >> because understand America does not have the data points let's say that an India has >> but America has the investment.
>> India has the data points but does not have the investment.
>> China >> China has met both.
>> Ah >> got it. Their investment in research is almost 120 times that of India.
>> Again numbers guys who like this thing.
On top of that if you look at the latest technologies that are coming whether it is out of lasers the human robot when I say u the robotic surgeries the dainci everything is being manufactured in China. Their hospitals are futuristic at another level. When we were doing our research we we had plans to visit China once more. We did a very preliminary round of visiting their hospitals and we were blown away with regards to how easy they are making it for a patient or even a patient's family to you know basically their turnover rate is much faster >> because their job and their aim rather is not okay let me put you in ICU for 20 days they're like let me turn you around so that I can put someone else >> like that way which I think that commitment I think Indians are still catching up because they just want to fill up the ICU ap you know what that >> I think uh if they could solve the language barrier >> they would just win it all >> that is a blessing in disguise for us >> for us >> yeah because you know they are so staunch about their language >> and not studying English as such key at least because of our communication we are able to like this thing >> even considering all the investments and R&D that we just spoke about that the west has >> uh do you think China is ahead of even the west far far there's no comparison.
>> Do you think in technology they are years ahead?
>> See I would say AI technology maybe America is still a little ahead in terms of AI and healthcare.
>> Mhm.
>> But China is clearly catching up because their models are more enduring the AI or the LLMs because of the data that they are feeding into the model and the testing that they have. And plus I think maybe regulation wise also I think China is a little more lenient for their own compared to the American FDA. So I think that is benefiting the healthcare ecosystem in China. But today, China is the global.
>> I was doing some research and I found out that China is coming up with more sanctioned uh uh trials on vaccines than probably any other country. Do you think that is true? See again there's a lot of sensationalized articles also. I mean I wouldn't want to give my two cents on that in this >> now. Yes, they created the Wuhan virus also. I mean we know that. So like I said some experiments might misfire or like know in that sense but like that commitment to research I think is what needs to be appreciated >> in terms of longevity.
>> In terms of longevity again I would say Asia forget only China.
>> So today some of the most amazing longevity centers are in Bangkok in Philippines in Singapore you know and in fact Dubai and Abu Dhabi are coming up as very big hubs of longevity >> because again like you rightly pointed out they are packaged for the premium audience >> but at the end of the day the science is very strong. that is backing them and the information is spreading very fast.
>> So today if I am analyzing 22 biomarkers in your blood merging with the gut microbiome going to genetic epigenetic testing it's very easy for other people to also maybe not interpret it so well >> but at least do the same tests.
>> So you know I mean that part I think is getting organized in a very big way and it's good for audiences because it'll become cheaper >> as more and more people enter the market and as the right information is spreading.
Do you think a regular student in India >> in a metropolitan city or in a tier one, tier 2 city, do you think they can afford any program in which they can you know uh they can participate to you know bring up their longevity. So in fact like that is a very good question from a fintech perspective because this is like as you know the 0% EMI concept that has come in probably consumer durables now as an industries depend on that >> now this is the next bastion in >> I can get a bike whether but can I get a treatment >> yes yes absolutely because that is where a lot of companies in fact in Bangalore and all are working >> on spreading out slightly more expensive healthare outcomes >> for students over a period of time >> especially younger girls getting PCOS PCOD who need treatment instantly whether they can afford it or not is this thing but can spread out the cost of the treatment.
>> So that you will see a lot of startups catering to that segment over the next 2 three years getting funded by VCs >> really.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> So if anybody if if a student say from Bombay wants to come down to your center >> will they be able to afford it?
>> See like I said affordability again is relative whether they need it or not is again uh this thing. Now today even for a student the prices and as we scale the prices can be reduced by as high as 30% from what they are 40% even and on top of that if we can merge them with a right I would say uh EMI package >> then it's very very affordable.
>> Now I want to ask you a question and I want you to zoom out.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> If we talk about longevity >> a few years ago we did not even know the word longevity >> but people were still living.
>> Absolutely. Our grandfathers and our grandmoms probably lived longer without even knowing what longevity and anti-aging is. So my question to you is, is it really a factor in the play if I really look after you know whether I am going to live longer or not?
>> Is it really a factor? See again like I said I am glad you're asking me these questions in terms of how the conventional narrative of longevity >> correct compare grandmother let's say she lived up to 80 I'm just giving numbers I'm a numbers guy so my promise in the longevity sector is not that you will live till 85 but my point is key let's say your grandmother did not live the most comfortable life from 70 to 80 >> maybe she was bedridden I'm just speculating someone else's grandmother my point is that okay maybe your 80 might get extended to 85 >> but the 70 to 80 where you were bedridden had 50 other issues >> I will help you avoid those >> got it so which is what I think the narrative of longevity needs to change >> so longevity is equivalent to quality of life >> quality of life completely so the idea they now today when I'm losing weight it is to improve my quality of life >> it's to reduce pain reduce inflammation as we call it it's not just okay 805 okay here take five hours of your life so the beauty here is key to prevent we've all grown up seeing our parents live long but were they healthy over that period. So the idea is to improve that quality of life not just the number of years.
>> What therapist do you use personally?
>> So I have first taken my gut microbiome test as I said I uh in the initial stage of my thing.
>> What is a gut microbiome test?
>> So your gut lining is the second brain as they call it. 95% of the diseases or chronic ailments are born in your gut.
And a lot of people do things which are not scientifically proven like colon cleansing and all that stuff. But basically understanding the colony of bacteria in your gut and then supplementing with the right pro and prebiotics getting it like curd. Yeah.
Many people you know are allergic to milk like lactose intolerant destination.
>> What is the difference between probiotic and prebiotic?
>> So that my nutritionist can answer better in terms of scientific distin.
But there are foods that are suited to nurturing that colony of bacteria which will help you break down your and break down and even spread the I would say the proteins across your body bioavailability.
>> Now if your body is not absorbing something that is one very big problem in the market today aimless supplementation >> sublements pop is your body absorbing them how do you know? Yes.
>> And the thing is your gut key ability to be able to absorb all those nutrients and actually show an impact on the body can be amplified by a gut microbiome test. So that is something and it's a preventive test. It's also a restorative test you know whether it's required. So basically that is one thing that if I had to recommend it to everyone I would say get a gut microbiome done. And just to point out a disclaimer at true peak we do not we do gut microbiome tests with a third party partner. So we don't own it. All the revenue of that goes to a third party but it is something that I'm recommending for a third party like this is something people need to get more educated on >> I'm sure what else do you do >> apart from that we do blood testing in a very comprehensive way we >> what do you do for yourself >> so I have done my what we call the blood test elite so we have blood test prime and blood test elite where I measured my markers such as selenium fasting insulin hscp which is high sensitivity C reactive protein because uh obese people are more kind of I would say predisposed to heart diseases and all that stuff. So that measures any kind of ailments. I've done my fasting insulin because in case if I am predisposed to diabetes and all those markers I have done my blood test thrice >> once every 6 months when I started in December 2024 then I did in July 2025 and now in Jan Feb 2026 again I did them >> and the idea was to compare the three reports to consciously see that my markers have improved biomarkers improved significantly. M so when people ask me overnight you have to stick and believe in the system for 3 to four months and then see the magic that happens and then it becomes a very proactive cycle when I start seeing the positive change in me I wish that change upon other people >> correct >> why would I bring my own mother into the clinic >> she had a knee replacement surgery done for herself you know and certain other pains that we've helped her um improve in our pain clinic inflammation. She's young. She's 64 years old compared to this.
>> So, which is where like you know to be able to impact people's lives, >> you know, I like to believe that we are a transformation clinic here at least.
>> A transformation clinic.
>> Nice. Uh Vun, they say that to a hammer every problem is a nail.
>> Right. If you go to an ayurvedic expert, he will tell you everything that you are doing currently is wrong. Follow my ayurvedic treatment. If you go to a gym trainer, they'll say what are you doing?
I can cure everything. You just follow my routine. If you go to a shaman, he will probably give you something else.
If you go to a therapist, they will tell you something else.
>> And everybody claims to be certified in their own way.
>> Absolutely.
>> In their own fraternity, in their own processes.
>> Got it. Is this overcrowding >> of expert opinions >> certified yet ambiguous is it really helping us? See uh first question is I don't know any shaman who certified but all they are shaman peer reviewed >> peer reviewed yeah that is I think I'm thinking concept certification but yeah a lot of babas and all have also made a lot of noise and like you know Indians we we are believers we are very like I would say a good race like that >> u see there is clearly a lot of noise which is actually amplified by social media got it and as I told you key the one thing is Average consultation lasts for 2 and a half hours because the first half an hour is clearing misconception and simple logic for every field there is an expert I need to trust that expert now today if I have a property dispute I'll go to a lawyer I'll not go to my friend and ask him with all due respect he might have some experience but it's a lawyer who will be the final holy grail if I can call it >> and I think that role that we've got of trivializing doctors especially in a area where they need to be at the most >> like peak in terms of opinion forming or this thing >> and the other end is that the doctors themselves don't have time to clarify all the misconceptions that the market correct >> so like you know it's like that vicious cycle where these people are given more leverage or more I would say media this thing but I think it's just about going to the right expert for the right field >> how do you find the right expert if you don't have the access like if somebody who's listening you for the first time for them you are just another expert opinion I am not an expert. I work with a team of experts.
>> I understand. But you are a person who's representing uh representing experts.
>> So my point is I'm playing the devil's advocate here.
>> I want to solve the problem for people who think it is overcrowding. It is you know uh too much for them to figure out.
It is a huge discernment what to take, what not to take, where to go, where not to go. You know, how does a normal person make that call?
>> Absolutely. And and I'm so glad because I remember having this conversation with the private equity fund around 9 months back or even a year back and the idea was to disassociate ourselves from services where it might come across as we are trying to monetize the system too much.
>> Got it? like which is why we don't sell medicines as of now and which is why even the testing we've got third party partners where we've just got a data sharing agreement with them under government laws and everything else >> and the idea here was look I need your data >> to be able to help you if you're coming to me without data I will not be able to help you I will not be as effective in helping you >> so the thing when let me break your question two parts key >> one how do they discover me >> whatever marketing and social media we do or in the future We are not doing any paid campaigns or anything as of now. We still feel that word of mouth is the most enduring vertical and based on the doctor's reputation and understand we are a founding team of four doctors but the core doctors in our core committee or advisory committee are more than 23 and that number is going and all of them with different specializations. We've got two three cancer oncology surgeons but like you know we've got a cardiothoracic surgeon we've got an endocrinologist we've got a dermat and we've got like you know a gynac and 50 others an MBBS doctor apart from the employees the doctor employees who work in the center this just our advisory board that I'm talking about >> so the idea is that apart from our own existing patient pool and as the word spreads in the market about our biggest cheerleaders are our patients >> and the one thing that we have seen is patients bringing their own families to Now why would they trust us with their own I have taken my own family my mother >> let's say Tupique is separate from me >> but if it helped me why would I trust the same entity with my mother >> absolutely >> and which is what like we are seeing with a lot of patients >> and I think you know that I think the geometric progression of impact as we call it >> works better when it is enduring with word of mouth and with a little bit of social media push in the future maybe but connecting in the same line of questions holistic health solutions provide. The first question they come up with is holistic health solutions provide. So why are you not inculcating you know indicapies or ayurvedic therapies because conventionally we believe holistic it will be something indic. So let me add that understand that we are willing to do anything that is evidence-based sciencebacked and doctordriven. So as long as even an ayurvedic doctor has approved it or BAMS as we call it or someone who's a senior authority and there is data to prove it >> we are open to offering that in our center. So there's no closed door for anything. But we don't mean data.
It has to be an institutional trial that needs to be done over a few years with a guarantee of no side effects in the long run. And we are openminded to that.
>> But that cannot be done for Ayurveda because Ayurveda works in a very different way. It does not work on one organ. It works on the whole micro environment.
>> Let me add something. We prescribe Ashwagandha to so many of our patients who've come out of an ICU.
>> Great.
>> To build there this thing. Now Ashwagand Gandhabi you get in capsules as well as the original herb or job but we are giving uh this thing um spirulina in a lot of the things which was again an authentic ayurvedic recipe. I'm trying to think in my limited capacity the doctors will be able to answer more of those questions.
>> So it's not that it's completely close-minded to any this thing. Yes, we are close-minded to sound therapy and all that that doesn't work. Let me add that right there. But in terms of wherever the data will be available which our core group of doctors approves we are very happy to incorporate that.
That's why our protocols are continuously improving and increasing >> from time to time.
>> But do you get customers who often come and ask you in fact the customers are educating us. So the customers are coming and telling us when we've helped you with a certain ailment they're like sir problem and then we are like can we create a pipeline for this? That's how we built our HRT pipeline. So many women came to us and said we are not able to cope up with our mood swings. We are not able to cope up with the inflammation that we have at a certain age and we built an entire pipeline with the gynec and endocrinologist for hormone replacement therapy which is by the way being done by gym instructors since the question started with shamans and gym instructors and fitness guys and they are not qualified to help you. One small side effect I think recently result in the death of a renowned model also if I'm not mistaken. So like it which is why you want to do all these things under doctor supervision.
>> What's your honest take on the explosion of D2C supplementations and proteins?
>> That is I think at least this is where I would request it is one of the most unregulated markets.
>> Do you think is it science or just an influencer economy? See while some of the products definitely will help you no doubt about it >> but there's just been such an influx of products especially on the aesthetic front and understand one thing that these are only a facade approved which is not a very high certification to get and it's not about what the supplement company is selling you it's about whether you need it so the biggest scourge of our times is aimless supplementation the one thing I request And then what might help you will not help me. So understanding what supplements are required based on unique biological blueprints and then taking those supplements is what >> it's not one size fits all.
>> Not absolutely not. And is overtaking supplement have you faced? Have you you know encountered any >> so many see can I tell you even with the protein movement for that matter like you know people assume body weight 2x protein 1x protein that is not correct and even after that protein buildup or even like this thing has resulted in so many issues with regards to kidney stones gallbladder stones you know which doctors again can throw more light upon >> but which was just because overdosing on protein if I can call it like in that and see you don't know what kind of fillers are going in your supplements.
>> You need to understand that. So like you know I wouldn't take the name of an influencer but I I am a big fan of his and he's the one who's actually created a product where he's put the pres the ingredients right in the front. He wants to educate you on the ingredients and I think that is a very good I would say at least a step in the right direction >> with regards to okay educating people complex.
So of late we have been reading a lot of news where we see shady and uh because functions back to back or people want to enjoy there are beds like louners and people are taking IV drips >> to be energetic enough to come to the next function right after another.
>> What do you have to say about that and do you do all of these things? See, so we were approached frankly by a few people.
>> Mhm.
>> And I would not lie. We also explored because a pipeline, you know, the market teaches you all that and we realized key it has to be done under very strict doctor supervision.
>> What I didn't like is when I saw some viral videos where people are just randomly sitting somewhere and you know doing that. No, it has to be done in a very clean environment. Maybe a room is created for that. It should not be advertised.
>> Yeah. And secondly, a doctor should continuously be monitoring not some flabottomist as we call it. Flotist is the guy who's just giving you the injection. But tomorrow even if there's a small bubble you know like a small air bubble that forms that could have very drastic consequences.
>> So do they have a full setup for any emergency this thing.
>> So that all is questionable and plus her state has their own regulations >> it comes to this. So it's not some national level this thing. So while hydration drips definitely help you no doubt >> what do they hydrate with >> see there are many hangover cures because a lot of people when you're having gin hangover cures yeah in IVs and all in fact it's very fashionable I thought in Bollywood they'll be more popular you know hangover exactly so and this actually again this trend came from South Korea >> the hangover so people would drink a lot they drink soju there and after drinking a lot of soju they would take a hangover drip in the morning they would get a blood transfusion they would be fresh as this thing in the morning that way. So this again I >> So what you have a concoction prepared for a certain drink that you're going to have >> not any drink it is a general concoction for all alcohol concoction.
>> So again see it is a thing that is being used in the alcohol domain but is not meant for that like glutathione.
>> You got it now today these hydration drips are given to people who actually dehydrated.
>> Now the dehydration reason could not just be drinking.
>> Yeah. Essentially alcohol dehydrates. So that's a logic >> to replenish the energy. Rehydrate yourself.
>> Hydrate. Exactly. And get your this thing back all the functions and like and even the cognitive this thing.
>> That brings me to my next question. How regulated are all these IV drips?
>> So >> if it is not in a >> I think they should be more regulated because >> do we have any laws regarding them? Hey, there are laws like you know there's certain like you and I can't go and give IVs to anyone and there's a certain minimum >> requirement >> minimum requirement is that a qualified nurse should be giving it and which I don't think is good enough cuz I still think that a general doctor who should be present key there should be a side effect what I don't like is the trend of salons starting IV bars every dermat starting IV bars I don't think that is the right way to go about it you know because there's a lot of science that goes in it >> even if you somehow like if you're a very rich person. If you bring a doctor on >> on site, >> there is a lot of sterilization that the site you can't just do it in the open >> and there's a lot of uh you know ups and downs that happen when a person is taking an IV drip not two people are same how are they going to do it like in a wedding setup and that's why I said there are too many moving variables there and like if it's being done because see the one thing is a lot of these large weddings are happening in fist Sorry. Now a lot of fivestar hotels are actually coming up with longevity centers of their own >> which have IB bars. Now if you are going there where they have a trained staff set up like a spa this like you know the four seasons does it you know fair Mumbai does it >> so then yes fair you know but you travel you don't advertise it like you're sitting down dancing and side by side you're taking an IV also I don't think that is the right >> I've been in the best of the hospitals the best of the nurses they could not even find the vein in in the first go >> there was blood spilling at least three four times >> and if I have experienced nurses 10 times at least five times that has happened >> how can you be sure that >> you know you take up an IV drip in a wedding setup and you will be safe no in fact I am to not recommending it but it's happening and like I said keep it is very important to sterilize the environment like you said blood is spilling you can't just spill blood randomly I say so which is why I think it's gone a little too far and I think >> it's gone a little too far >> it will encourage the government to become more proactive with regards to >> do you think it will it will curb what you guys are also doing >> why should it because we do it only in house we don't go like under expert care >> complete under expert care that there'll be a doctor hovering around you through fulltime and plus see our IVs are given to more chronic patients >> so we have an entire line of IV trips for cancer patients got entire line of IV trips for hormone replacement that we do in women >> now that is not necessarily happening only at weddings and there was six sixour IVs 3-hour IVs that are given so they take their own time So that's fair.
>> So when you say you give it to your patients, does there is there is there an age limit? Do you give it to children? Do you give it to elderly? Do you give it to just adults?
>> What is the criteria? So again like as I said it is very varying on the condition that people come to us with and especially if some young woman is coming to us with very severe PCOS PCOD then the doctors in their professional opinion decide we don't >> just like throw IVs on people >> because it's a very controlled this thing especially whenever you're inserting anything in your body >> and that said keep the youngest person I've seen is around 24 25 years old at the center that we can >> old so young adult >> younger young adult but not like 15 16 >> mm Not that mother because at the weddings I've seen even 15 16 year olds cuz I was a part of these weddings when you so like you know yes that is something when I denounce but at least because there's no control again but completely yes because it's all a one case away or one mishap away from getting escalated to the government. Do you use AI in any way in your diagnosis, in your treatment planning, in your data pooling, in your risk modeling or even managing day-to-day activities at rupeek? So in fact our backbone is AI >> really >> and what we are doing is not only just taking market specific AI models we are working with big companies and obviously under all the stringent data rules to be able to fill authentic data of our own in the model to make it more and more accurate >> to achieve what >> yeah one of the most pivotal things that we are doing is the muscle quality index. Now no one in the market is measuring muscle quality. M >> we need to do a specialist ultrasound for that. Some American technology and software providers are our partners for that. But today there are certain GLP and GIP1 medication. The number one side effect of that is your muscle loss. And by muscle I mean your lean body mass and muscle loss is directly correlated to your longevity. Better is the quality of your muscle, the longer and the happier you will live in a better condition. So while there are side effects of people not just losing weight because of those injections, they also losing muscle mass. No one in the market is measuring that except us.
>> So in the long run we will be able to do a study under our founder doctors once we have at least 2,000 3,000 data points.
>> Okay. By long run I mean in the next 6 months to a year.
>> Okay. This is the impact of people who've taken 3 months of these GLP1 medications on the muscle before and after because we've got all their data points of doing scans on a monthly basis. and you know we'll be able to compare and create a model which is very enduring and then kind of give the model to other people also so that they can kind of become the bloomberg of uh I would say the muscle loss and the longevity index in that >> so when you expand this data modeling software that you will come up with >> more accurate >> it will become more accurate and it will help start up a process much more faster and easily >> see because I come from an actual background again our threshold is anyway a 98% confidence interval which is very high Now we want to increase it to a 99.5%.
>> So like that is where the data comes in >> as we collect and we don't want to just go out and buy data.
>> We want to measure it with our own people. Keep the most authentic pool based on Indian patient demographics not some western. In fact, even the software when we got it from America was very American-driven in terms of the weight was in pounds, the obesity definition was very different that we had to recalibrate and then after a point of time now that you know in the last 4 months 5 months we managed to get the data of close to at least 1200 patients.
Our aim is to touch at least 4 5,000 patients where I think you know that data will be >> when do you see that happening?
>> Now we've opened up a Pune center in December that has had a decent response.
We're looking to open up 8 to 10 more centers and that will only amplify our ability to collect data. So I'm hoping that in the next one year we'll be able to touch 5,000 patients at least.
>> Do you think ultimately you are going to solve a much larger problem?
>> Absolutely. Because see malnutrition being one of that but even when we take a woman hormonal changes and that how it impacts her muscle m >> all these will be a part of the data study that we get >> over a period of time and I think it'll be phenomenal you know even in fact we've been approached by a big pharma company to help us with that study but we didn't want to like as I said brand it if I can call they were willing to support that study but we wanted to kind of keep all the thought leadership under our banner only >> so which is why that is where in fact one of our founders is driving Dr. Sanjit Sasidaran who's the head at um ICU intensivist at Raja for so under his I would say uh leadership we are building all of these things >> so for your well-being center >> what is the goal after 10 years what do you want to achieve as a as a well-being center one of a kind in India doctordriven doctor funded what is your goal to achieve after 10 years of operation >> I think you called it out very eloquently I think in the thing that firstly make it more affordable for an audience and not just keep the narrative limited to the ultra rich or the people who just want to spend their way into well-being. The second thing is to also mobilize probably the largest community of doctors sharing information. See, I'll tell you what happens today when you attend a doctor conference. Believe me, as a non-medical, I have gone for them and I'm noticing a lot of people just come there, okay, for the sake of it because it's a vacation for them, nicely funded in a five-star hotel. and how many people are actually concentrating and driven to improve and learn something a very small demographic no disrespect to them again >> but when you get a community of doctors talking to each other like what we've created at peak already as well as what we will continue to build in different cities >> that's why wherever we are expanding the first thing we are doing is we are mobilizing a group of doctors in that city >> and then we are investing in the center >> so the beauty here will be the knowledge sharing between you and me let's say both of us are doctors >> and the immense possibilities that that can create in the next 3 to 5 or 10 years like you pointed I think will become the base of a lot of more detailed research that the government can fund what the Chinese government is already doing for its system. So the vision is hopefully to make India very researchdriven or even more researchdriven this >> maybe you can peerhead that >> we are trying in a humble capacity >> last two questions >> firstly uh you are going to expand you are already expanding >> but to find like-minded people >> and doctors specifically with certain specializations >> doctors are usually very very busy they are >> you know overch scheduled they are very occupied. How would you find the right person, right people for a well-being center such as yours to expand all over the country because it's not that easy?
>> Absolutely. And quality is such a important aspect driving this.
>> Yeah.
>> And in fact this was an impediment that we had identified very early.
>> So what we did is we've created a very detailed protocols and training modules already in the center. And see we are very happy that even if someone who's associated with us goes out starts a thing of his own you know at the end of the day it is helping the longevity movement only. So basically the entire point of this protocol is that the do founding doctors help us vet the initial pool of doctors who we want to collaborate with or who have approached us and then secondly we do an exhaustive training program for them before the center is launched as well. So while the center car renovation everything is going on the team is already recruited the team is already brought to Bombay to our main center very exhaustive training modules and patient to patient outcomes may they will be involved and then they will be fully trained in the matter of 3 months and then go and start the center wherever this thing.
>> So you train them first absolutely >> as many times as you multiply.
>> Yes. and you know with regards to like actual patients not just this thing and obviously they will not be driving the patient outcome they will be supporting the existing doctor who are a part of our so in Mumbai and Pune we have a core team of close to almost 12 doctors now and visiting doctors separately I'm not counting them in 12 means as core employees of the organization then you know they they've like grown in stature because a lot of their seniors who are actually visiting us at rupee are commenting us in a good way you know their communication skills have improved so much their knowledge has improved so much in the last 6 months.
Doctors, founders, but apart from that also So our commitment to understand that individualistic health in the beginning is probably I think not being done by any hospital or any doctor in the country because they just want to churn as many patients as they can >> whereas we are trying to really you know individually impact a lot of people.
>> Awesome. Lastly, you are a data guy.
Now you're into healthcare.
>> You are essentially running and you know expanding the business.
>> Most decisions made by doctors are also individually but databased because of their personal experiences. They learn, they explore, they create a pattern and that you know mental data help them to make further decisions and judgments in their careers and futures.
What do you think if you leave what you used to do and you start doing this >> you would you be missing out on anything? Would you want to continue you know hunting for data uh of different varieties, different uh uh disciplines in order to bring in more equitable and uh new age uh models into this longevity movement. as you said.
>> Absolutely. So, uh see it's a very interesting take on it because the earlier data that we were mining if I can call it was primarily for the insurance sector and you know certain other priority initiatives of the government and now what we've done is we've taken an initiative and kind of doubled down upon as a longevity because we feel it is a priority initiative. See the beauty is that a lot of what gave me the flexibility to move into this also is that after 2017 18 a lot of data start data collection started getting automated also >> and which gave us the wiggle room also to even explore a lot more has freed up a lot of our time so I'm anyway on the advisory committee of certain government organ organizations also in a completely freelancing capacity for no ulterior motive as such just to be able to be in touch with that and the data and the AI models have only amplified our ability to be able to >> uh continue doing that >> and as I said this is one of the things that is now really from both from a call to action to actual action >> it is where we've reached and I think you know I'm very happy with the eventual graduation if I can call it from just being someone who's consulting to someone who's implementing and I feel you That is where with true peak we can really impact the large demographic of our population also >> and you're still going to hunt the data through actually that becomes second nature only as I told you so as now we are still collecting data but more compelling outcomes superb I wish you all the best and uh >> thanks for having me also >> thank you thank you and as somebody who's been to Tupek and who's been to your establishment I have understood, I have experienced it firsthand. And I must say it is a place for everybody. It is a it is a process that everybody should you know invite them for at least once to figure out what suits them, what is right, what is wrong. These guys are exceptionally exceptionally well-trained, medi medically backed, doctordriven.
I think it is the best place for anybody to figure out their parallel treatment longevity uh anti-aging if you want to go for I don't know whatever you want to do man just figure this out for yourself thank you Vun before I let you go I have a small token of gift for you thank Heat. Heat.
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