Viral Christian says Christian Debaters Did HORRIBLE (MUST WATCH)

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[00:00:12]to all of the Muslims that are watching and hello to all of the non-Muslims and hello Reni. How are you?

[00:00:18]>> Good. Hello Kora. How are you >> doing? Well, thank you for asking. So, I'm sure that we are all familiar with the video that's been going around and circling within both Muslim and Christian spaces where we have a Christian lady Byron and I um discussing the 20 v1 20 Christians versus one Muslim.

[00:00:40]>> Y'all, so why last night I'm scrolling my page and this video 20 Christians versus one Muslim come up, right? So, I'm like, "Okay, I'm interested. Let me just watch these videos, right?"

[00:00:52]And all I got to say as a Christian woman is mashah. That's how you say it.

[00:00:57]Mashah, she ate them up. And it was embarrassing how bad she was eating them up. Like, let me go to my notes. Like, I had wrote some stuff down like, okay, so I remember this Christian lady, she was talking about the Quran and how Allah says that he is not the father to the kids or whatever. I don't know. I really don't know. And then the Muslim girl, she kept asking, she was like, "What verse are you talking about? What verse are you talking about?" And the Christian girl never answered her question, right? So the Christian girl was like, "Why do you need to know what verse is this is from? Why do you need to know what verse is from?" And she was like, "I need your evidence because that verse does not exist." Right? And she started explaining how she know the verse doesn't exist. Right?

[00:01:31]And then the Muslim lady, she asked her again, she was like, "So what particular verse does it says Allah is not the father? Why this Christian lady says, "Oh, there is no verse. So if there is no verse, why are you saying it?" Like I don't know. Like it was just so funny.

[00:01:44]Like the way she was eating them up.

[00:01:46]Like she would eat them up so bad that they wouldn't even respond to what she just said. just went to a totally different question cuz they didn't even know how to respond. Like, and here's another thing that I noticed. Like, I've been noticing this since I was like 15, 16. And I started getting like looking more into Ramadan. But Muslims know they [ __ ] Muslims know they [ __ ] Not to say that Christians don't know [ __ ] My mia minister, my papa minister, my great grandma been in church since she was a little girl. She recite every single Bible verse in the Bible. You heard me?

[00:02:07]But them Muslims be knowing they [ __ ] Like Allah, Allah, but his strongest soldier and not 20 v1. He chose his strongest soldier. 20 Christians could not take her. Could not take one Muslim.

[00:02:17]I don't know if she's just like more of a debater. I don't know. She's smarter than them. I don't know what was going on. But she ate them up. But she really taught me some things because I did not know that the Quran is the fixed Bible.

[00:02:28]Like I forgot what she was saying, but they fix things that was left out in the Bible or changed by man in the Bible.

[00:02:33]And they believe that it's the final word of God. Never knew that. And it's like you know she was eating them up because they was so oppressed. Like it's 20 of y'all. One of her and y'all oppressed by everything she say because your intuition you know she right. You know she right. Like as a Christian woman, and I said this to my mom too, and she's a very Christian woman. You cannot hear what she's saying and reject it because she has evidence and also it's making sense. And also I I'm believing my intuition. My intuition not telling me, "Oh, nah, she not saying the right stuff. She she leading me the wrong way." My intuition is actually making me more curious about the Quran and what she got to say. And I know it was doing the same thing for y'all because some of the girls face like some of the Christians facial expressions when she say certain facts, it was like, "Oh, oh." Like they didn't know that [ __ ] Yeah, you didn't know because damn, I sp some [ __ ] I was going to say, "Yeah, you don't know because you're slow." But that's not the word.

[00:03:13]You don't know because you didn't really take the time to study your Bible. How she took the time to study the Quran and the Bible and to learn about the laws of both religion. I don't know if Christianity have laws. Oh, that's why Muslims be like respect to the law. Or is that for Allah? Because I'm saying that because I remember she was going off on something about um laws and Muslims and big M and little M. Girl, don't make me have to convert. Like I'm just saying it's just so interesting to me. Like I never knew all of this about the Muslims in the Quran I participated in. So I did have a couple of questions for you starting with um what background do you have in terms of you know religion? Did you grow up a Christian? And how exactly was that experience growing up in terms of religion?

[00:03:57]>> Yes. So I did grow up Christian. My Mimi is a minister.

[00:04:03]My uncle was a pastor. And my mom, she's heavily into the word. She she's heavily um she heavily believes that Jesus is her Lord and Savior. So I was born to Christianity. So yes, I am Christian, but I've always questioned Christianity in the story of Jesus. For example, when I was 5 6 years old, I was I was supposed to be baptized and my mom told me I was supposed to say yes to the question being answered. and the question being asked and the question that was being asked was do you believe Jesus is uh the son of God and your lord and savior and by me being 5 6 years old my mom told me to say yes so I said yes boom I was baptized but internally I never sat right with that question or that statement that Jesus was the son of God no yeah that Jesus was the son of God and that Jesus is God I was always confused on that and Whenever I try to ask my Mimi and my mom for for more explanation on how Jesus is the son of God and how is that possible and how nobody else believes that but us, they always say I was being disrespectful to God or they never gave me an answer that said right with my intuition. So I've always questioned God sorry I've always questioned Christianity in the story of Jesus. Um, and also growing up, I used to ask my mom questions about like cuz when she taught me that if you don't believe in Jesus, you won't enter heaven. And I used to always ask my mom, "Well, what about the people that's in other religions and other countries?"

[00:05:48]Like, just because they don't believe in Jesus, they're not going to heaven.

[00:05:53]Like, it never made sense to me. Why would a God that why would a God allow people that serves him but doesn't believe into something that may or may not be true? Cuz we don't know if the story of Jesus is or not true. Am I making sense? Right. So why would God punish a whole group of people of of them not knowing if that story is true or not? And if if Christians ourselves don't even know for sure if that story is true. So yeah, that's my >> Yeah. No, absolutely. Absolutely. And I actually think that that's kind of the beauty of, you know, some of the things that were going on in that debate and also part of the reason why I wanted to go on because me obviously from a Muslim perspective, although I do agree that Jesus was a righteous man and that he was a prophet.

[00:06:43]>> I don't agree that he was God or the son of God. So I went into there knowing that the Christians disagreed with me.

[00:06:50]They believed that Jesus is God. They believe that he's the son of God as well. You probably saw even during the debate when I was trying to have conversations with them about the proof that Jesus was God, I wasn't being met with good answers, right?

[00:07:02]>> Yes.

[00:07:02]>> And I, as somebody who has studied the Bible to a decent degree, I am even willing to say that within the Bible, you know, Jesus never claims to be God and stuff. Um, at least from my perspective, from my reading. So, I I don't think that it's disrespectful at all to ask those questions. So I think that especially nowadays it is so necessary to be able to ask those questions because when you participate in a religion you should have 100% convention that that religion is true.

[00:07:31]Right? You shouldn't be shut down if you have questions because questions is actually what strengthens somebody's faith in religion. When somebody asks a question and they get an answer a sufficient answer that's not going to deter them away from the religion that's going to bring them closer. So should we should always encourage research. we should always encourage um studying and all these different things. But um more over to like the Islamic side of things.

[00:07:55]So uh growing up, did you ever have any interactions with Muslims? And if you had, then how exactly were those interactions?

[00:08:05]Yes, growing up I did have a lot of interactions with Muslims growing up in Houston, which you said we have a big um Muslim population. And I could probably say every Muslim that I have met is very faithful to their religion and are just nice, kindhearted spirited people. Like you can tell Muslims, y'all take y'all religion seriously from an early age.

[00:08:32]And y'all get to knowing y'all word as a early age. Y'all get it embedded into y'all in an early age. Versus us Christians, me, I'm 19 years old. Me, my friends, we 19 years old. We could barely recite some Bible scriptures, right? We barely we barely could say the Ten Commandments. But with y'all, like y'all are so faithful. If I if I ask you what's the difference between big M and little M, you're going to, oh, big M is this, little M is that, you know what I'm saying? versus us. We're not confident in we're not confident in our in our religion because I feel like we don't take it as seriously as y'all. So yeah, y'all are definitely big sis and we are definitely little sis.

[00:09:16]Definitely. Like I've never met a Muslim that played about their religion. Like even in school during um Ramadan like um the teacher would have like uh her class open during lunch for the students to come in and to come like eat or whatever instead of um being at lunch with the rest of us. And I just find it like like that's very faithful that even at school away from your parents that you're still so dedicated to your religion that you're going to miss out on lunch with your friends to be faithful to your God. I'm going be honest like I don't I don't think we would do that. So I definitely applaud y'all for that. Y'all are very faithful in your religion and y'all are very nice people. I've never met a evil Muslim.

[00:10:11]Never. I'm really glad to hear that. I'm glad to hear that you've had nothing but positive experiences and hopefully going forward you have nothing but positive experiences with Muslims hopefully. Um so more over to the video because obviously the video is what familiarized me and I guess a lot of us with you and your content. What exactly inclined you towards making a video and commenting on the 20 v1?

[00:10:36]Basically, I just wanted you to know that I just wanted you to know that people understood what you was saying that even us Christians understood what you were saying and what you were saying was making sense. Cuz I feel like they was not gaslighting you. I don't know.

[00:10:54]Gaslight or manipul manipulating you is the word to try to make it seem like you wasn't making sense. And even some comments I saw when they was like the Christians the Christians was eating you up. I'm like, "Are we watching the same video?" Because you're coming with proof with everything that you said. You're coming with evidence and you're even debunking what they are saying and you are correcting the scriptures they are giving you for their Bible. So like you're eating them up. So I just wanted you to know that we see you and we hear you and we understand you. Like not everybody is ignorant. Like I wanted you to know that not everybody's ignorant.

[00:11:31]And I also want you to know that Allah is very proud of you. Like he put his strongest soldier on the floor and you ate. Like I feel like a lot of people are now more educated on Islam and more open to Islam because of you. Like you broke it down. You you broke it down dumb enough for a three-year-old to understand.

[00:11:53]So, and and that's that's why I'm so mad at them Christians in the videos because y'all y'all wasn't listening to understand. Y'all was listening to respond.

[00:12:04]And y'all y'all are being um what is it called? Defensive because y'all are just not understanding. Literally, they was being defensive because they just wasn't understanding. Like, y'all believe in Jesus. Y'all respect Jesus just how we do. Y'all just don't believe he's the son of God. And I feel like nothing's wrong with that. Like what? Like we all praising the same God. We're all God's children. We just believe in two different things. So yeah, I just and and also I just wanted to highlight the the disrespect that they carry throughout the video versus the poise and the the confidence that you carry throughout the video. Like you you didn't come out of character not one time. Now, you did gather them a little bit sometimes. You did gather them a little bit, but you you didn't go too far off the track like how they was how they was rolling their necks. And I saw this one girl when you was talking, she was doing thumbs down. Like, did God tell you to do that? Did Jesus tell you to do that? Like, did he tell you to defend him in a disrespectful way? Like, yeah. So, yeah. Sorry if I was rambling.

[00:13:13]>> No, you weren't. I want to hear from you. Yeah. No, it's um it's really refreshing to hear those types of takes, especially from people that don't necessarily, you know, agree with me from a religious standpoint because at the end of the day, you know, hearing it from another Muslim, it's different from hearing it from somebody that might have a different religious standpoint. And it's very nice that we can kind of um relate in that regard because, you know, going into the debate and me being there during the debate at least, there was a lot of, you know, I guess you can say condescending moments. I tried my best not to reciprocate. Obviously, you know, I'm a human being. Sometimes I'm gonna get a bit riled up, but I tried my best, you know, not to raise my voice, not to be disrespectful or whatever it may be, just to go in, have a good faith conversation, and what happens happens, you know. So, it was really refreshing to hear your perspective and to see exactly what, you know, somebody that might not be a Muslim has to say about this discussion because usually, you know, the Muslims will defend the Muslim, the Christians will defend the Christians. It was nice to see somebody who was unbiased coming into it and was capable of being 100% objective in terms of both sides in the way that the debate took on. Oh, was there something you want to say?

[00:14:24]>> Yes. Because do you remember how early in a video there was I'm I'm going to connect it to the crucification of Jesus. But do you remember how early in the video the black American woman had brought up the slave Bibles, right? and how the slave masters took away certain verses in a Bible to make us slaves, us black Americans believe that um child slavery was right or whatever or it was God's doing, right?

[00:14:56]So that means Okay. So then we go to y talking about the crucification of Jesus and they kept saying like how would why would Allah allow millions of people to be deceived for 600 years, right? But as Christians, especially as black American Christians, why would our God allow man to take away scriptures and rewrite scriptures to allow us to be deceived for 300 plus years, right? So it's like you could say this about Allah and Muslims, but we could say the same thing about God and Christianity.

[00:15:34]>> Exactly. It's always about that consistency. It's always about that consistency. If you want to say it's wrong for the Muslims, then you got to apply that same standard to yourself. Of course, >> right.

[00:15:44]>> Um, and another thing another sorry, another thing that I wanted to say is from the Christian side and like I guess the debate alto together, was there any specific moments that stood out to you um or any points that were made in the debate or any topics that you really liked? You can go ahead and voice whatever opinions you have on that because I want to hear what you have to say. Girl, I got a whole page.

[00:16:07]Like, I don't even know where to start.

[00:16:10]>> Pick your favorites.

[00:16:19]>> Um, I feel like I'm going just start with the absolute oneness is more in line with God's nature than the trinity. I feel like Christians are confused because like one minute We are saying God is the almighty powerful God and mean I feel like that's meaning that we're saying there's only one God. Then on the other hand we're saying that Jesus is the is God in the flesh. So is Jesus the God in the flesh or is Jesus the son of God? Like I feel like we're confused. We don't even know our own standpoint. Like we got to pick one. He's the son of God or he's God in the flesh. Like it's either one or the other. Um, also I I like when you was talking they they was getting me confused with the um cuz you you was right when you said you as Christians believe God is a jealous God.

[00:17:13]I don't like the way they was acting confused because we as Christians we say that all the time.

[00:17:20]>> So, and I don't do and did you agree with the standpoint when they say righteous jealousy stems out of love?

[00:17:29]Um, I would say that maybe from their perspective, you know, as a Christian, because at the end of the day, I'm critiquing whatever they believe in. So, whatever they say they believe, I'm obviously going to grant it to them.

[00:17:40]Well, but them saying that righteous jealousy stems from love, >> right?

[00:17:45]>> It doesn't necessarily it doesn't change the point because jealousy and love aren't the same thing, >> right?

[00:17:50]>> Even if jealousy stems from love, jealousy is not love, >> right? They're two distinct things. So, I personally felt like them bringing up that point about righteous jealousy stemming from love, it felt like a deflection from the topic, right? It kind of it took away from the question that I was trying to ask >> because when we were having a discussion about God being love and they were saying, okay, um the the first girl, she made a point about um God, the trinity, the triune God always loving. I mentioned that God doesn't always need to be eternally loving something, right?

[00:18:26]God just eternally has the ability to be loving and whenever he creates creation, he can show love to that creation. And I said I brought up jealousy as an example >> because God in the Bible when it mentions God being a jealous God, it's referring to the disobedient people worshiping other gods. Right? That's when God is jealous because God doesn't want his servants that he created and sustained and loved and gave everything that they needed to go and worship things other than him. That's where the jealousy comes in. And that's when I asked the question, was God a jealous God before creation? Because any Christian would say no.

[00:19:03]>> Right? And instead of me getting that question answered, they kind of started >> rambling a bit about, oh, jealousy stems from love and all this stuff. But I I didn't ask that. Even if they believed that, that wasn't an answer to my question. So, it was kind of just all over the place. It was getting a bit confusing.

[00:19:21]>> Yeah, they they didn't want to answer the question because they knew they was wrong. Girl, I I would have said another word, but I'm watching my mouth. But just know they knew there was something.

[00:19:33]Um, and also I don't like how this the Christians say God is a relational God because he's triune in his nature, loved by his essence and it's not the same with Allah. Like what do you mean by that? Like I girl and I also want to tell you that they was just so disrespectful. Like I couldn't take it.

[00:19:59]Like I just I wrote a lot of things down that they said that I didn't agree with.

[00:20:03]And I guess I'm going just have to make my own TikTok pointing out the things, but I just didn't like it. Like when they was trying to um say Muhammad was illiterate like Moses didn't have problems as well. Like >> Moses has a speech impediment. That's exactly why when they brought up that point about Muhammad peace be upon him being illiterate. Obviously that that's not insulting. That actually kind of adds to the miracle of the Quran. It adds to how miraculous it is because how can this man who did not know how to read or write >> um essentially according to them author such a miraculous book.

[00:20:46]>> So him not being able to read or write is not an insult. That's also why I quoted the passage in the book of Acts in the Bible where it talks about John and Peter being illiterate.

[00:20:55]>> Right. Right. So that that's why I tried to apply the consistency because if they want to mention Muhammad peace be upon him not being able to read or write.

[00:21:04]Okay. Well, two of the authors of the New Testament, John and Peter, were illiterate as well. Are you going to insult them? Of course not. And I wouldn't insult them either because I'm not that type of person. I'm not going to go and insult people who wrote the Bible and insult the scripture and whatnot. I'm just obviously I disagree with the scripture, but I can disagree respectfully, right?

[00:21:22]>> I don't have to convey it with disrespect. I can just critique it.

[00:21:26]>> Right. And well, two things I wanted to say. I love how y'all say um peace be upon them. And I wanted to ask why did y'all say that? And also I wanted to say um the fact that these that these Christians had like such um horrible things to say about Muhammad.

[00:21:49]Knowing they would have flipped the scene if you would have been disrespectful to Jesus is crazy.

[00:21:56]That's why they lucky I wasn't there though. That's why they lucky.

[00:22:00]>> But yeah. Um why do y'all say um peace be upon him? Oh I which I know it's probably for respect but I just want a little it is for respect, right? We pay respect not just to the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him but we say peace be upon all of the prophets >> from Adam all the way to Muhammad peace be upon them and then in between so Jesus peace be upon him Abraham Isaac Ishmael Jacob peace be upon all of them it's to pay respect to all of these prophets because at the end of the day all of these prophets were sent by God and they all had the same message and they were all respectable upright individuals >> so we take inspiration from them we follow them in terms of their theology.

[00:22:41]And obviously we believe that although Jesus and Moses and Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, Jacob were sent, we believe that the prophet Muhammad was the prophet sent for specifically our ummah, which is our nation, right? But we pay the same respect to all of the prophets, right?

[00:22:59]>> So that that's to answer that question.

[00:23:01]And with the whole like, you know, if I disrespected Jesus, God forbid, which they knew I would never do because obviously I have an immense amount of love for Jesus.

[00:23:11]>> So I would never go as and even if I didn't, >> I would never I would never go as far as to disrespect him.

[00:23:17]>> Never.

[00:23:18]>> So obviously that consistency wasn't there because I mean they would try to be disrespectful. I to be honest from my perspective I thought that it was in hopes of them trying to I guess rile me up. They were hoping that I was gonna, you know, get freaked out. And then when I didn't, at least not to the extent that they thought I did. Sorry. I thought I would have, >> uh, they kind of got a bit irritated because I was I tried my best to be calm and collected even though I was I I wish you got to see like the set because obvious you only saw what was put out on the internet. There were probably a minimum of 10 times where I got like screamed at by like a bunch of the girls at once and then the producers would have to intervene and tell them to be quiet and to calm down.

[00:24:01]>> Um there were so many instances where things like that happened and I I've never like, you know, tried to be disrespectful back. In fact, a lot of the times I would kind of just laugh because it was just so awkward.

[00:24:11]>> It's just so awkward to get screamed at cuz I'm just sitting there. It's just me and then I'm like there's 20 Christians.

[00:24:16]Like what am I going to do? Like in my mind, my brain goes, if they wanted to pounce on me right now, they could.

[00:24:24]>> I'm sorry.

[00:24:25]>> No, it's it's not your fault by any means. It's just I guess the energy in the room and when it's about religion, you know, religion is one of those things that gets people really riled up.

[00:24:33]You get what I mean? So sometimes you you kind of just got to be understandable to the circumstances.

[00:24:38]Even though I would never do it, you know, maybe these people like they they take it very personally and very seriously. So I try my best to be understanding.

[00:24:48]And I appreciate that, but the only reason why they acting like that literally is because they're ignorant. I just learned from my Tik Tok video going viral that um Muslims are well obviously example you y'all study all the religions and not just the Muslim religion while Christianity we only study if we even study it our religion right and we go off assumptions for the other religions so I just I just feel like that's why they was kind of disrespectful cuz they don't understand like I don't know that was just so rude but I don't I don't know I don't know >> no I it's um it was a bit of a weird situation altogether so you mentioned a lot of times like you know the disrespect from the Christian side um was there any specific person that irritated you the most on the Christian side >> um definitely the first the first girl that you talking to that you talked to. But it's not the first girl you talked to. It was the first segment. She was in the first group. Um she was in a second chair. She was light-skinned. She had curly hair, big curly hair.

[00:26:06]>> Um you know what I talk about? I don't know her name specifically, but she came off the bat her and and the other lady later in the video. I think she's probably I can't describe her. Um long black hair. long black hair. Um, maybe she's Middle Eastern. I don't know. I don't think she's European. I think she's Middle Eastern. She got long black hair. Oh, and she told you she told you something about, "Girl, you've been shining this whole time. Let somebody else shine."

[00:26:39]>> Girl, first of all, only thing you were asking for was the verse. That's literally what you was asking for because that wasn't true. The what she was citing wasn't true. That's why you was asking for the verse. How? What?

[00:26:52]What do you mean? We've been letting you shine when y'all haven't. Y'all been talking over her. Y'all been being disrespectful. Y'all not even letting her get her words out. So, and mind you, it was one of her and 20 of y'all. So, how how are y'all letting her shine?

[00:27:08]Like, the way she just tried to come in like she controlled everything. Girl, I was just so mad at her. I'm like, how are these people Christians? Like, I don't I don't understand it. And the way they was just saying stuff like, "Oh, what your God believe?" I I think like, you know, stuff like that. Like, um, >> we don't believe in the same God.

[00:27:33]>> Yeah.

[00:27:34]>> Like, do y'all do y'all know what Allah means? Like, seriously, like it it's like they came to the debate un unprepared, >> unfortunately. Yeah, I know exactly who you're referring to. What's interesting is the girl that said, "Oh, like you've been shining the whole time. Like, let her speak." She actually at the very beginning of that segment, the first thing that she said to me is she accused me of being defensive and that's the reason why I interrupt. And then I let her finish talking.

[00:28:06]>> And then after I let her finish talking, I got three words out. And then she interrupts me after >> after accusing me of interrupting them.

[00:28:13]She interrupts me while I'm in the middle of talking. And I'm like, "Okay, well, what am I supposed to do now?"

[00:28:17]>> Looking back, I wish I like, you know, pushed back a bit more.

[00:28:22]>> I wish I did.

[00:28:23]>> It's It's okay because as Christians, we believe um God God said revenge is his.

[00:28:31]So, I'm sure they're Christians. They better be Christians the way they was acting. So, they should believe that, too. So, they're going to get their karma for sure. Like, they're for sure going to get their karma. How can they even go to sleep at night? And not gonna lie, I was being messy and I went to their Instagrams and stuff like that.

[00:28:49]Like they really because I'm trying to because I was trying to see if they was getting hate comments if I'm being honest. I was trying to see they was getting hate comments cuz I would have been the first one hating. God forgive me. But I was. And the fact that they really think they ate that is crazy to me. Like y'all y'all don't see nothing wrong in the way I was acting like every every single No, no, no. I'm not gonna lie, the the black lady with the green shirt on, I I like the way she I feel like she respectfully debated you. The one that you chose to debate more, she she was very educated. She was also like she she held herself to a high standard.

[00:29:28]That's actually what one of the main reasons why I picked her, right? Because although obviously I'm a Muslim, she's a Christian, we disagree, she was respectful um and she knew what she was talking about simultaneously. I did actually get to have a conversation with her after and it was like a very like you know friendly exchange. Um it was really nice. So she obviously she held herself to a really high standard and I showed a lot of respect to her and she showed a lot of respect to me back. So I'm very happy about that.

[00:29:54]>> But like all which by the way I don't necessarily like you know endorse people going and hating on them and stuff cuz at the end of the day from their perspective they were justified in how they acted towards me. From my perspective, I think it was unjust. You get what I mean? From my perspective, I'm like, I'm walking in there, there's only one of me. If I stood up right now, you guys would probably tower over me and you're acting like you're going to, you know, like pounce on this.

[00:30:19]>> Yes. Literally, >> like the energy in that room was insane.

[00:30:23]If you were standing in that room, like it was heated. Like the amount of stuff that was going on, it you would have been surprised. But like there were a lot of instances where like for example the first girl that you brought up where there was, you know, like passive aggressive comments >> while I was in the middle of discussing or like the second girl that, you know, interrupted me and tried to say, "Oh, girl, you've been shining this whole time. Let her speak." Even though, as you said, all I asked for was a quotation for a verse, >> right?

[00:30:50]>> That's the only reason why I was persisting on her giving me the quotation is because it didn't exist. I knew it didn't exist. And to be honest, so did she.

[00:30:59]She knew she was lying. That was one of the main reasons why I pressed as hard as I did is because she knew she was lying. I knew she was lying and I wanted to catch her out on it because one thing that I do not let slide and obviously I don't, you know, convey it in a disrespectful manner. I really don't like when people lie >> about religion.

[00:31:17]>> If you're going to disagree with somebody's religion, because me from my perspective, do I disagree with the Bible? Yes, I do disagree with the Bible. Do I disagree with Christianity?

[00:31:26]Yes, I do disagree about with Christianity.

[00:31:28]I'm not going to purposefully lie about Christianity when I critique it. No, I'm going to learn what the Bible actually says >> and then I'm going to have a critique.

[00:31:38]I'm not going to go and lie about the Bible. No, of course not. Because if I'm going to disagree with the religion, I want to have an actual just reason to, >> right?

[00:31:47]>> I'm not going to lie and say the book says something, >> right? And even that lady that we're talking about that um wasn't saying the scripture, remember when she said the word abrogated and she she thought she was disagreeing with you, but she was really agreeing with you. Like you don't even know what you talking about. You just >> I brought up the scripture from the Bible that shows abrogation and then I asked her a question about the scripture and she said it had nothing to do with the topic. And then in my perspective, I'm like, am either she's confused or I'm confused because she spoke about abrogation. I brought her a verse that talks about abrogation and suddenly it's off topic. Like >> what's going on here? There was like there was a lot of chaos. And that lady specifically, um, I actually really did expect her to bring a lot of good contentions and a lot of, you know, actual, I guess you can say, critiques to Islam and instead it kind of just came off as, you know, condescending or disrespectful. The first the the first time that I debated her, what's interesting, she actually went on social media and she like went on this live stream in front of like a thousand plus people and she was like, "Oh, that Corora girl, she's a weirdo. Like talk about weird." And I was like, "Huh?"

[00:33:00]Like what did I do to you apart from debate you?

[00:33:04]>> Girl, let me tell you something about her. That's a evilspirited lady. That's a evilspirited lady for real. Like every everybody that talked like the lady with the green and the Asian lady. My my intuition, my spirit, I got good energy for them. I could tell they knew what they were >> favorite. Those were the two people that I loved speaking with the most. I love them.

[00:33:31]>> See, so and I feel like we both got good spirits and those and we could tell that those are good. Well, I could say I feel like good spirited people. Them other people, they still need help. You could tell they still on their journey. They I I don't even know how to explain it.

[00:33:50]Like they just to me I just feel like that was evilness. Like that was rudeness. That's how you act if you don't know God. You know, like you you know how people be like you need to like they act like they like girls that's messy around school. I used to tell them, "Oh, you need to go find God." And stuff like that because you're only messy because you never found God. And the way their attitude is, you could tell they never found the true God, if I'm making sense.

[00:34:20]>> I understand. Yeah. No, I fully I fully understand that. What's what was interesting about specifically that girl is she was actually the one person that I went into that debate specifically wanting to discuss with, right?

[00:34:34]>> And then uh we actually had two debates that day. It was her versus 12 Muslims and then it was me versus 20 Christians, right?

[00:34:42]>> So we had two debate and the first time which when it was her versus 12 Muslims, I got to discuss with her and she disrespected the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him to my face.

[00:34:52]>> Right? And I I kind of got riled up >> like in the sense that like I sat up straight and I was like ready to you know not attack >> did the same thing >> not attack physically but you know with scripture like I'm sitting and I'm quoting scripture scripture scripture because that's kind of how like I deal with situations like that. If somebody wants to disrespect my religion, you remember the consistency thing that we talked about. I'm going to start quoting scriptures from the Bible and I'm going to say, "Okay, if you have a problem with this, then come and condemn the Bible to me." That's kind of just how I react instead of insulting someone personally, calling them a weirdo, saying all this weird stuff, you know what I mean? That's how I personally operate. And like I was obviously met with a lot of disrespect unfortunately.

[00:35:33]But God's right.

[00:35:34]>> Oh my gosh. And I remember this made me so mad because I was liking her at first. The black lady, I think she had a blue dress on. She had big curly hair.

[00:35:45]when you at first I was liking her but then when you had said peace be upon them. She had said wait I gotta go back to it. She had like kind of shoved you off. She was like Mhm. Yeah. When you was like cuz you was speaking fast. You was you had mentioned um Muhammad but you had hurry up and said peace be upon him. Like she was like mhm sure. Like she had shued you. And I'm like that's so disrespectful. And even my mom, we was talking about cuz I was talking about how they was being disrespectful to Muhammad. And my mom got mad because she was like, "We know that there's more prophets after Jesus." Like, we don't Well, at least my mom, she doesn't believe that Jesus was the last prophet, you know? She believes >> Yeah. She believes that they are um more. So, she was confused as to why they felt so comfortable disrespecting Mohamad. I don't know. That's just so weird to me cuz I've always heard of Muhammad like cuz when I watch like my pro black activists like Dr. Omar, they always respect Muhammad and said that he did good things and he was a good spiritual person. So, yeah, that was just confusing.

[00:37:03]>> Yeah, it was a lot of, you know, unfortunately a lot of disrespect going around. I'm I'm very, you know, glad that even though there was a lot of disrespect, it didn't get too chaotic.

[00:37:13]You know, we were still capable of holding the conversation. That's what one of the main things in my mind is like even when they disrespected, I tried to keep the topic going, you know, not get hung up on it. And because at the end of the day, it's not just for the benefit of the 20 Christians in that room to have that discussion, but it's also for the benefit of anybody that's going to watch the video. And it would have been beneficial for thousands of people to see me start freaking out. You know, instead they're they're coming to watch this video to learn about. They want to see a representation of Islam, >> right? And a representation of Islam isn't a representation that screams and does all this crazy stuff.

[00:37:49]>> So that's what I had in mind to be honest with you. But >> um another question, Wait, did you want to add something real quick?

[00:37:55]>> Okay.

[00:37:56]>> Yeah. So another question that I had and it's more so personal to you if you don't mind. Um, as of right now in terms of religion, what exactly is your position? Are you firmly like Christian?

[00:38:08]Are you inquiring? What exactly are you feeling?

[00:38:13]>> Um, well, first my mom always told me that it was relationship over religion. She told me she don't care if I'm Muslim.

[00:38:22]I'm Christian, what? Jewish, Buddhist, anything. As long as my relationship with um God is is better than anything overall. But I'm not going to lie, like I've always questioned Christianity and I don't think Christianity is the right belief for me. And not gonna lie, you know how I was talking about like my Mimi being a minister, my uncle being a pastor. I truly feel like Allah, God sent me here to wake them up because I'm so woke. They couldn't do nothing but be woke. Like you remember I told you I um I would question my mom, my mimi. Well, I didn't tell you this. was kind of personal, but when I was questioning my mom, my mim me about Jesus, like they will pop me in my mouth and call me call me say I was being disrespectful to God.

[00:39:19]But y'all popping me in my mouth and saying I'm being disrespectful to God and punishing me, taking my phone away just for asking a question is going to make me even more curious cuz why don't you know the answer? Why can't I just get a sincere answer? And I feel by me never letting up on it and keeping them on their toes, they um now they are more open to other things. And if I come to them today or tomorrow be like I'm Muslim, they want they will expect that like they want to see that as a shocker cuz I've always questioned it and I've never fully believed in it. Now, I will say though, the only reason why I'm scared, which a lot of Christians that's deconstruction deconstructing Christianity is scared of this, like I'm just scared. Like, literally, I'm just scared of being wrong. And like, of course.

[00:40:16]>> Yeah. Like, I'm just scared. Like my mom when I try to um not argue with her but debate debate with her about Christianity and Jesus, she always say stuff like I rather um die and be right. Wait, I rather die to be wrong.

[00:40:37]Wait, I don't know. It's something like she would rather die and she believed in Jesus and Jesus wasn't real or >> Yeah. than if she died in disbelief and found out that he was real.

[00:40:49]>> Yeah. And I just hate that. Like that's like conditioning and I I've been conditioned so hard and programmed so hard that like it literally freaks me out. So that's that's why I'm just slowly trying to get into the Muslim religion, but I like my spirit like it's telling me like this is right for you, but I'm just a little scared. So yeah, that's >> of course at the end of the day that fear of being that's actually I touched on it earlier when I said that that that's actually one of like the beautiful things about you know Islam and just you know being open-minded generally right because >> there's always this voice in the back of your head that goes oh but what if you're wrong right the beauty about being able to do research is that you can personally go into the books and go into what each religion says and you can see what's right and what's Right? Like for example, when I was having that conversation with the Christians, one of the main reasons why I picked the topics that I I I didn't pick just topics about Christianity, right? Because I wanted to make sure that everybody could get their, you know, words in about Islam, why they weren't Muslim. So I can go back and forth with them and I can show them, no, what you said is wrong. uh or like for example the topic of the crucifixion because all Christians the one thing that all Christians will agree upon is the fact that Jesus died and rose for their sins right that's why I picked the crucifixion topic and that's actually why a lot of the Christians were you know kind of distraught by the crucifixion topic because the four Christian ladies that I was discussing with couldn't prove that the crucifixion happened.

[00:42:25]>> Yes, >> they couldn't prove it.

[00:42:27]>> That's what me and my mom was talking about and my mom she was on mute. She was all m youth because what you was saying was true like the well first of all I brought up to my mom the why would Allah allow something to go on for 600 years because I brought that up to her that was on my mind because why would God allow us to go through slavery for 500 years anyways.

[00:42:55]Um, oh, the 500 sources, Paul and the 500 sources, they would not answer the question at all. Is Paul one source or or is it 500 source? Was he was Paul there? If Paul wasn't there, how can he attestify to say that there's 500?

[00:43:19]Exactly. That's why I mentioned that point. I I really wanted an answer to that and nobody gave me an answer and I obviously I didn't want to persist too much cuz at the end of the day I want the conversation to continue flowing but it's very it's very noticeable that every single time I asked I was kind of met with a non-answer.

[00:43:38]>> That's why that topic specifically it was just so um I guess you can say evident >> that they don't know what they're talking about.

[00:43:47]>> Yeah. Exactly. And that's exactly why I ended that topic because they said, "Oh, how can you think that God deceived us for so long?" And that's why I ended the topic with saying, "If you were deceived before, you can't claim to be deceived now because you can."

[00:44:01]>> That's exactly why I said it like that because at the end of the day, you can claim to be ignorant before the conversation, but once you sit down and you get educated, you're not ignorant anymore.

[00:44:11]>> Right. No, that's >> sometimes you just got to accept the truth.

[00:44:14]>> You know what I mean?

[00:44:16]And even because I remember they kept saying, "Why would I believe in the Quran if it came 600 years later?"

[00:44:26]Right? But then when y'all started talking about the Roman documents, you said that came out post 10th century. So if if if we're not believing stuff that came out later, why are we believing in this then?

[00:44:41]>> Exactly.

[00:44:43]And not going to lie, that lady when she was breaking up the tablets, girl, Egyptians been writing stuff on the girl, Egyptian history outdates Christianity and it contradicts Christianity. So we want to go by tablets. Girl, we are we not living right at all. Huh.

[00:45:03]>> Exactly. That's why I brought up, okay, tablets. It's not an evidence for the event because people have written on stone tablets that there were sun gods and moon gods and all this stuff. That doesn't mean that it's true though.

[00:45:14]>> They're just saying what they believed.

[00:45:15]>> And that's that was what was so interesting about that specific topic.

[00:45:19]>> And sorry, go ahead.

[00:45:21]>> Also, when when you asked, "What historical evidence do we have to the Bible being authorized by eyewitnesses?" They said, "We have the Bible."

[00:45:34]Are you serious right now? Are you serious right now? like do y'all hear yselves? Do y'all hear the words that's coming out your mouth? And also I did want to ask you some questions when you was talking about when it when they had brought up Ethiopia because that's that's my mom number one number one proof when we get to talk about Christianity. She always talks about how um Christianity started >> the Bible and it's very early and all that stuff. Yeah.

[00:46:05]>> Yeah. I just want to know a little bit more cuz I remember you tried to say a Bible was like small like a phone book or like a >> ah yeah I mentioned because they basically said okay um they tried to make the argument that we didn't have any copies of the Quran early right >> so that's why I asked when do we get the first copy of the New Testament >> and the lady responded and said the earliest copies of the gospel are in Ethiopia, right? And I asked her, "Okay, when is it from?" She said, "I don't know." Um, for for you and for anybody that's going to be listening to this, the Ethiopian Bible, >> it is dated to I believe it's around fifth century.

[00:46:49]>> So, 400 years after Jesus lived, >> right? Right.

[00:46:54]>> This is crazy.

[00:46:55]>> And I said, and by the way, that's not the earliest Bible. The the earliest manuscript that we have of the New Testament, it's this. It's the size of like a credit card, right? It's the size of a credit card and it's called P-52.

[00:47:08]And it has just a couple of verses from the Gospel of John. And there's a dispute on the dating. Some people say 2 century and some people say 3rd century, but there's no certainty, right? So that the reason why I brought that up is again the consistency. I said, okay, if you have a problem with the Quran, your first manuscript of the Bible comes either 100 years after Jesus or 200 years after Jesus. And we have 100% of the Quran >> compiled in manuscript form within the first 100 years of Muhammad peace be upon him and his companions lives.

[00:47:40]>> Mhm.

[00:47:41]>> So I applied that consistency there.

[00:47:45]>> Wait, because I never Well, I've heard stuff about this. So our first copy of the Bible came after Jesus, right?

[00:47:57]>> Mhm.

[00:48:00]Yeah, it doesn't sound too good, right?

[00:48:02]>> Like I'm just I don't know like and oh also another question I remember you had said that Jesus said himself that his followers was Muslims or you say something like that.

[00:48:19]>> Oh yeah. So um that's me quoting the Quran, right?

[00:48:22]>> Okay. Okay. In the Quran, we believe that the disciples of Jesus were Muslims, >> right? And what's very interesting is, so um we obviously believe that Jesus was a Muslim. He submitted to the one true God and only the one true God.

[00:48:38]Jesus never says he's God. Jesus never says that the Holy Spirit is God. Jesus never prays to the Holy Spirit, nor does he pray to himself. He only prays to the person that he addresses as the father, >> right?

[00:48:49]>> Who he says is the only true God in John 17. Um I think I mentioned that in the discussion if I'm not mistaken where he says they may know you the only true God when he's referring to the father >> right so we believe that Jesus was a Muslim and we believe that his disciples that followed him in righteousness and in faith were also Muslims by extension of that um so and I also said this in the debate what it meant to be a Muslim in Jesus's time what it meant to be a Muslim in Jesus's time is to accept that Jesus is the messenger of God in his time >> to accept that God they would have referred to him as El in Aramaic and Syriak um uh and whatever it may be is the only true God and to accept the revelation that Jesus came with because we all agree um that Jesus came proclaiming good news the gospel >> right so to accept the gospel that Jesus was proclaiming so yes we believe that Jesus was Muslim his righteous followers were Muslim and what it meant to be a Muslim in Jesus's time would have been to abide by the revelation that Jesus conveyed in his time to accept that he was the messenger of God and to accept that Allah or in Aramaic and Syriak is the only true God.

[00:50:05]>> Right. Um that makes perfect perfectly sense. Um what was I going to say?

[00:50:15]Um, it was something about the debate.

[00:50:23]Um, well, first I wanted to ask a question about Muslims. Actually, that's that's why I forgot what I was responding to cuz I have a question to ask. Um, I remember I be on TikTok sometimes and I'll be seeing like Muslim girls and they be like surprising their mom and like their mom and they friends with a hijab on or something like that. So my question is like you could you could choose when you want to pick up the hijab or it's different for everybody like you could be born and automatically wearing the hijab or um you could choose it.

[00:51:01]>> Yeah. So hijab obviously we believe that there is hijab for men and there is hijab for women and the hijab for men and the hijab for women is different right? So we believe in the concept of for men there are specific parts of their bodies that they need to cover and then for women there are specific parts of their bodies that they need to cover as well. So for women um it's everything except for like their hands and like their face and all that stuff. So covering their hair with the hijab and you know being modest like as you as we obviously know and Jesus actually preaches this as well. You know modesty um for modest >> of course >> you could even if somebody made this comment in a in a channel I mean the comments on the YouTube channel like the way us Christians like dress like I learned that as a Christian we're not even supposed to be wearing pants and shorts like women we're not supposed to be wearing pants and shorts. only supposed to be wearing dresses. We don't even dress how we're supposed to dress.

[00:51:57]And somebody had made this comment about you. They was like, "You're more dressed like Mary than the Christians in a video." And that's true. And that's another thing I wanted to applaud y'all for. Like, y'all are actually modest people. Y like y'all actually follow what God says for y'all to do. I'm sorry to cut you off. I just wanted to say >> Oh, no. I love that point. That was a you that was a beautiful point. I actually love that you mentioned that.

[00:52:22]Um, that's actually the way that I respond because unfortunately there's a lot of Christians out there and there's a lot of comments on the YouTube video and stuff where they they actually criticize the way that I dress, right?

[00:52:31]You know, like me, you know, wearing the hijab and also me covering my, you know, me covering my face, it was a personal choice, you know, I'm not forced to, right? I want to. And it's obviously because >> um, the way that I see it, I don't like the idea of millions of strangers online being able to, you know, perceive me.

[00:52:48]Like, I don't I don't like that idea. I don't like um I I personally think that me and the way that I look it should be restricted to my female friends, >> to my family members, uh to my spouse if I have one, to my children, to my like whatever it may be. You know what I mean? So, um, that was a beautiful point that you made about Mary because obviously one thing that I love to pose to people who are disrespectful about the way that I dress and they also happen to be Christians is >> who do you think Mary in her time peace be upon her would have been dressed more like me or the Christians today?

[00:53:21]>> And obviously we know the answer, right?

[00:53:24]It's modesty is a beautiful thing. It's something that God commands and it's something that everybody needs to participate in. But to answer your question about hijab, so hijab in Islam, when hijab becomes required, once somebody becomes an adult, when you're a child, you're not required to wear hijab. Then once you pass puberty, so that that's a different age for everybody, right? Some people pass at 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, whatever that age may be. Then it is required for you to wear hijab.

[00:53:52]>> It's not forced upon you, but it's required Islamically. So, um, there's a lot of people that, you know, may postpone it. Even they, even though they might be an adult, they may postpone it.

[00:54:03]And obviously, do I think that that's right? Not necessarily. But at the end of the day, >> that's their choice.

[00:54:09]>> You know what I mean? Do I disagree with it? Yes, I would disagree because Islam says for men and for women that they begin covering those specific parts of their body once they become adults. So although some people they make different choices pertaining to when they do want to and when they don't want to at the end of the day it always boils down to God commands it after you become an adult.

[00:54:30]>> Right?

[00:54:30]>> So it's a that's just the answer to your question.

[00:54:33]>> Okay. I got another question and this kind of silly but I'm so sincere when I ask this. Okay.

[00:54:40]>> No. Go ahead.

[00:54:41]>> So if you know well you already know I'm from New Orleans, right?

[00:54:47]And we love seafood, right?

[00:54:51]Specifically, we love Well, I love specifically like pig feet. Okay? Like I know that's nasty. Like even even my friends like they be like, "Oh, you eat pig feet? It's so good to me." But that's just like the country in me, right? So like because I be watching like Tik Tok Tik Toks about um Muslims and it was like wait actually I'm not going to say that but it it was something funny but I don't I don't want to say it was something funny though. So it's well it was basically like Muslims play about everything but pork. That was the um funny Tik Tok. So it's like I really can't eat pork. Like what's the and why?

[00:55:33]>> That's a good question. That's a beautiful question. So um we as Muslims we don't believe that we are allowed to consume pork right and we actually also see this uh within the Bible. So >> um >> we believe that there are specific foods that are made pure for us >> and there are specific foods that are impure right? So >> pork being one of those things and it's not just about you know physical impurity for example if you look into you know the way pigs live and so on um they're not the cleanest animals in the world right and if we look into the science of it people who consume pork are more likely to be prone to deadly diseases >> right um there's a lot of science backing those things but at the end of the day it's also spiritual right >> we obviously agree that whenever God tells us to do something God who loves us is looking in our favor.

[00:56:27]>> He wants what is good for us. Right? So if God says um obviously you know practice modesty, modesty is good for you, right? Modesty is something that is good. Prayer is good. Uh abstaining from things such as you know sexual immorality like for examp you know cheating or you know like being in relationships out of wedlock and things of that nature. Um, obviously God tells us to abstain from those things because they are better for us, >> right? And when God tells us to abstain from things such as pork, right?

[00:57:01]Regardless of physical benefits, because I do believe that, you know, scientifically it is better to abstain from pork. Um, there are spiritual benefits, right? Have you ever heard of the saying, you are what you eat?

[00:57:12]>> Yeah.

[00:57:14]>> Yeah. So, we can think about it like that. Um, pigs obviously aren't the cleanest animals and there are a lot of, you know, healthier options for us to be eating. But at the end of the day, the main thing that we should always be keeping in mind is that if and when God tells us not to do something, it is always in our favor, >> right? In Arabic, we say means benefit.

[00:57:35]>> It is always in our benefit. If God tells us don't eat pig and he gives us a hundred other food options to eat then obviously those other food options will be better for us. There is in us picking those other options.

[00:57:49]>> So it boils down to a lot of things but the biggest one is always >> God tells us not to consume pork. And God me I'm a human being. I'm limited right I don't know everything. I'm I barely know anything you know I'm so limited in my knowledge. God who is the all- knowing knows what is going to benefit human beings the most. So when God tells us not to eat pork, he is doing so because he knows it is in our benefit.

[00:58:18]>> Okay, I understand that. And I guess I just got to give it up. It's okay.

[00:58:24]>> Hey, u at the end of the we actually have um we have a saying within Islam.

[00:58:28]It's when we give up something for the sake of God, he replaces it with something just as good or something better. M >> always remember that if you give up something for the sake of God, God will always replace it with something that is just as good or something better.

[00:58:43]>> So don't worry about that. You're chilling in terms of that.

[00:58:46]>> Okay.

[00:58:46]>> Um was there any other questions you had?

[00:58:52]>> Not all No, I have things to like comment on. Do you have another question you wanted to ask me first?

[00:58:59]>> Um no I I this is about you. I want to hear from you. So go ahead, comment on whatever you want to comment on.

[00:59:05]>> Okay. Um, this came from the Muhammad is the final messenger of God.

[00:59:11]Um, oh, that's what I didn't talk about with my mom. That Abraham doesn't preach a triune God. Clock that. Clock that. And it was it's really like this how this how you know like you be eating. when they had brought up the verse let us make man in our image and then you said okay but what is the verse directly after that and I don't think I wrote it down right but it was so God made man in his image so it went from um plural to singular so it's like y'all not even seeing that the the contradictions y'all are doing like you just say this verse but literally the line right after that is contradicted It's contradicting the verse that you just said that you just tried to prove that makes it that make it seem that he's a um triune God if I'm making sense.

[01:00:08]>> Exactly.

[01:00:10]>> Oh. Oh, the Elohim when y'all cuz I I just asked my mom this too. I was like, "Mom, what does Elohim mean?" And she got happy cuz we was talking about the um the triune God and she was like, "Exactly." Because they was calling him Elohim. And I was like, well, Mama Elohim doesn't just mean multiple. It could also mean singular. So, or one. So, it's like y'all going off. Oh, it says this, it says that. But y'all don't know the true meaning of the word though.

[01:00:42]>> Exactly. That's one of the points that I made in the debate. I said that if we are going to be honest, >> let us read the text for what the text says. Let don't let us read our own belief into the text.

[01:00:56]>> Right? Like because if you go like for example, have you ever heard the saying like you can't convince somebody who has their mind set on something?

[01:01:03]>> Yeah, >> you can't. Right? If somebody goes into the Old Testament and is reading it with the intention of seeing the Trinity in it, they're going to see the Trinity.

[01:01:12]And if somebody goes into the Old Testament with the intention of only seeing absolutely one God, they are going to see that as well.

[01:01:19]>> Right.

[01:01:19]>> Right. That's exactly why I brought up the Elohim point because that's why I asked her, "Is Moses one person or multiple people?" She said Moses is one person. In Exodus 7:1, Moses is called Elohim. Right.

[01:01:30]>> Right.

[01:01:30]>> So Elohim, depending on the context, it can mean plural and it can also mean singular. And the only reason why somebody would assume that it means plural in relation to God is if they want it >> be plural. If they want that to be the case.

[01:01:45]>> Um, but I did actually have a question.

[01:01:47]Um, because I I want to go back to this also might be a little bit personal. So about like the more religious aspect um obviously you're looking into religion and you know Christianity you're still you know inquiring you get what I mean is there anything specific that's holding you back from being a Muslim >> literally just like that I'm trying to say is while being respect by while being respectful like literally just a part of what if Jesus is the son of God. But I I understand like trust me, I'm understanding everything you're saying about Jesus.

[01:02:27]But it's still in the back of my mind like wow like like what if what if I'm wrong? What if everybody wrong? Like what if nobody know? But I understand what you said earlier that um there's research and there's proof. And I think like this is like God, Allah telling me I need to go see for myself and go get the proof for myself and stop being unsure. Like I'm too old. I'm 19. My birthday January 1st I'm 19. I'm going to be 20 January 1st. So it's time for me to start looking on my own and not just going off what my mom got to say and or even what you got to say. I have to go see for myself. Yeah.

[01:03:04]>> Exactly.

[01:03:06]>> Yeah. I would like like I would be Muslim. Like I would be Muslim right now. Like for real. Like like I I feel like y'all are good people. Like I No, you're good. I have no reason to not be a Muslim. Like literally. So >> it's just that research aspect like you you want to know.

[01:03:29]>> Yeah. But even Sorry.

[01:03:31]>> Sorry. But even what? But that's not even why I'm not a Christian because I believe Jesus is the son of of God. I'm only a Christian because my mama a Christian, my mim me a Christian. That's what they pushed on me. So it's it's not like I don't like I am baptized, but I still don't believe I'm a Christian.

[01:03:52]I've always had problems with it because I'm very pro black and I don't like how it was forced upon my people and my people original traditions and practices was taken away from them and traded for Christianity. So I've always had problems with Christianity.

[01:04:10]So >> I understand to answer the point that you made about okay like what if I'm wrong? Uh at the end of the day we judge based on somebody's actions and what they say, right? So let's think about Jesus, right? Jesus, we we actually went over this in the debate. Jesus never claims to be God.

[01:04:28]>> And when people accused him of claiming to be God, >> he refutes them. Right? For example, in John 10, when he says, "I and the father are one." The Jews, what they did is they picked up stones to stone him because they thought he was blaspheing.

[01:04:40]They thought that he was claiming to be God. Jesus replies to them. He says, >> "Isn't it written in your law that you are gods?"

[01:04:47]>> Right?

[01:04:48]>> Right. And then he says, "Why do you stone me for claiming to be the son of God?" And all son of God means, by the way, we actually covered this in the debate. Um, son and father, that doesn't Jesus saying that he is the son of God in the Bible doesn't mean that he's saying that he's God.

[01:05:02]>> Right.

[01:05:02]>> Right. Because the children of Israel are sons and daughters of God.

[01:05:06]>> Exactly. Exactly.

[01:05:06]>> Adam is the son of God. David is the son of God. Isaac is the son of God. All of these people are sons, but that doesn't mean that they're God.

[01:05:13]>> So, at the end of the day, and Islam actually caters to this, right? Because Islam says although Jesus I think it's inah verse 171 it says that Jesus is nothing more than a messenger of God right >> and his word and a spirit that was directed towards Mary peace be upon her >> right so Islam we we obviously believe that Jesus was the Messiah 100% we believe that he was a prophet we believe that he was a messenger and we believe that he was a righteous man that walked this earth so his people could learn from him.

[01:05:47]>> Wait, what does Messiah mean? I'm sorry.

[01:05:49]>> Yeah, Messiah means anointed. The anointed one.

[01:05:54]>> Me and my mom was I was just wondering, do you I'm going to write that down. I was just wondering did y'all believe that Jesus was the Messiah? So, it's like, and this what I was literally telling my mom like, y'all liter like y'all are literally the better versions of us. Y'all literally believe what we believe but in a correct and right way if I'm making sense. Like and and the lady has said this too when y'all was arguing about Jesus. She has said that or y'all was arguing about Jesus being God. I don't know what y'all was arguing about. I'm sorry.

[01:06:29]>> We were arguing about a lot of things.

[01:06:30]Don't worry.

[01:06:31]>> Yes. and she has said um we believe Jesus is is the son of God or is God and y'all believe he's a prophet so we're always going to go in circle it and that's just like exactly like that's the only difference y'all y'all don't accept Muhammad as a prophet first of all and y'all want them to accept Jesus as God and they're not doing that because they only believe there's one God. Like >> doesn't make sense.

[01:07:03]>> Yeah. And I don't I don't feel like it should be so much hate towards Muslims just because of that when when y'all can't even prove that Jew that Jesus was crucified. Y'all can't prove who wrote the Gospels. Y'all can't prove all this stuff. So why are you hating on these people that has evidence and facts for all their for all their facts, for all their knowledge, if I'm making sense?

[01:07:28]>> No, that makes perfect sense. That makes 100% sense. And what's interesting about that is one of the main points that I love hinging on is Christians believe in what they perceive of Jesus, right?

[01:07:42]>> And Muslims believe what Jesus literally did and said >> did and is right. I know. I see. I see.

[01:07:49]>> Like for example, >> Muslims only worship one God. Jesus never worshiped the Trinity. Jesus never said that he is God and that the Holy Spirit is God. Jesus says that only the father is God.

[01:08:02]>> Only the father.

[01:08:03]>> Um and Christians obviously they believe in the trinity. Something that Jesus never preached.

[01:08:08]>> Jesus never said that God is three in one, father, son, holy spirit. These three are one. Never.

[01:08:13]>> He never said those words which is very interesting. Um like the back to the point that you made about a fear of you being wrong, right? At the end of the day, the way that I perceive that is the best way that you can get out of that groove of what if I'm wrong is just, you know, packing on the research. That's why I'm saying questions are not a bad thing, right? You having questions is actually a beautiful thing because questions never like in terms of, you know, asking about religion and wanting to genuinely seek knowledge in faith.

[01:08:45]That's always going to be a beautiful thing. It's going to bring you closer to the truth. If you're going to your mother who's a Christian, right, and you're asking her questions about Christianity, >> that's not something bad because at the end of the day, what you're looking for is you're not looking to argue. You're looking for truth.

[01:09:01]>> Right.

[01:09:02]>> Right. So, I'm I'm glad to hear obviously that um the, you know, I guess the main thing that's kind of, you know, holding you back from Islam is just that research aspect. You know, you wanting to know with 100% certainty that it was it was 100%. And I did actually have another question.

[01:09:20]>> Um, as a Christian from your perspective, obviously I as somebody who I guess is inquiring into other religions and so on and you've kind of had experiences with both communities.

[01:09:31]Um, do you think that more people should give Islam a chance?

[01:09:35]>> Girl, don't girl, you don't got to ask me that. Girl, >> I I thought >> Yes. Because even even the Christians like I was looking at the comments the Christians that was accepting they were saying wow we didn't know this. They didn't even know y'all believed in Jesus. We didn't I just learned that y'all believe as well that Jesus is the Messiah. Like >> no we call hima alsa alsia in Arabic. And what's also interesting is we have another I guess understanding of Messiah alongside the anointed one which is also of him being able to wipe on people and cure them of sickness.

[01:10:21]>> Right? So it ties to a lot of Jesus's beautiful miracles. Right. So yeah, we believe that Jesus is the Messiah. And you're right, a lot of people don't know that Islam even acknowledges Jesus as a prophet. A lot of people went probably went into that debate thinking that I hated Jesus. Of course not.

[01:10:37]>> Peace be upon Jesus. I love him more than I love myself. I love him more than I love my loved ones.

[01:10:42]>> But >> bro, like yes. Like and I hate this.

[01:10:47]Like they don't know y'all for real.

[01:10:49]Like they just gone up assumptions and I'm speaking based off like America point of view. Are are you are you in America?

[01:10:58]>> Yeah. Yeah, I'm in America.

[01:10:59]>> Okay. like you know like the whole propaganda and I'mma say it again whole propaganda from 911 and Muslims I felt like it it changed the way people see Muslims.

[01:11:12]>> I don't even want to get into that cuz I'm going to get deep. Don't don't even worry about it. But I just I just feel like people need to take the time out their day to go research for themselves instead of just assuming. But not going to lie, even even even before I knew how um I'm going to say loyal, but that's not the word. Loyal I was to Jesus, how y'all believed in Jesus like we do. But y just don't believe he's the son of God. I've never had no evil um intent towards Muslims or I never looked at Muslims a different way because why would I do that just because you're a different religion? So I I feel like people that automatically assume Muslims are evil, like how h how can you assume people are evil or even be mean to somebody just because they don't they're not practicing your religion? Like it doesn't make sense. And that's why I'm calling y'all big sis and we little sis because y'all are encouraged to go like research other religions and learn for your own while we we just going off assumptions. We don't take the time out of our day to actually learn. And I feel like we need to start doing that. For us to be for us to be a a truly Christian or for them to be truly Christian, I feel like it should be required for us to learn about other religions as well and to be accepting like and and here's my thing.

[01:12:41]Even if you don't believe in Muslim in a Muslim religion, we are taught that well mom taught me that you are supposed to try to not convert. And that's another thing. Y'all don't convert. Huh? Y'all don't try to convert people to be Muslim.

[01:12:58]>> We don't like we actually have a verse in the Quran. It says it says there is no compulsion in religion.

[01:13:06]>> See Christians they don't be listening.

[01:13:08]they they they don't be listening because they try to convert people.

[01:13:12]Well, that that's what we are taught to do. We're taught to try to um convert other people. But even so, then you're supposed to do it in a Jesus-like way of >> Yeah. Jesus didn't tell you to be disrespectful and to call these people names. Jesus told you to act like him.

[01:13:30]You You think Jesus will be doing that?

[01:13:32]And because my mom always told me that Jesus came for everybody, the Gentiles and his people, right? So >> yeah, and what's also beautiful because you said in the best of ways, right? We actually have a verse in the Quran and it actually directly relates to this. Um it's about debating and discussing and the verse says that do not debate with the people of the book. So Jews and Christians except in the best of manners.

[01:13:58]>> So it gives us direct instructions. It says if you're going to go and debate with these people and discuss with these people and argue with these people, you do it in the best of manners. You don't do it with disrespect. You don't go and insult their religion. No, you have a conversation in the best of ways.

[01:14:15]>> But you got to do it cuz cuz they sensitive. First of all, they sensitive and they don't know what they talking about. So you got to talk to them like they're a 2-year-old. Like you literally have to or they going to get mad. You see how they was mad at you and you was being so respectful. Girl, don't even get me started, >> girl.

[01:14:33]>> No, I I get you. I get you. I I'm just as frustrated as you. And >> I did actually have Sorry. Go ahead.

[01:14:40]>> Can you um explain the the Gabriel cuz I remember I I didn't like when she said this.

[01:14:48]>> Yeah. She said the joke thing. It was very weird.

[01:14:50]>> Yeah. What? Yeah. Can you explain that?

[01:14:53]Like what's the what's the story of Mohamd? cuz I really don't know anything about Muhammad except that he's a prophet like literally that's one thing I know. So, >> all right. Yeah. So, in terms of Muhammad peace be upon him, the story goes that the first time he ever received revelation, he received revelation in the cave of H uh which is on a mountain um when he was praying.

[01:15:19]So, he was praying to God because amongst all of the people around him who were all polytheists, right? They they didn't believe in one god. They believed in multiple gods alongside this one god.

[01:15:29]Right.

[01:15:30]>> Um so amongst, you know, all these people. Wait, I'm so sorry. I don't know. Wait. I have no clue why this is lagging. This is so weird.

[01:15:40]>> Um sorry, it's on me this time. It's actually not you.

[01:15:44]>> No, you're good. And you ever heard like my mom was just telling me that you know how these are all Abrahamic religions, right? And well, I don't know how true this is cuz my mom told me it, but one of Abraham's sons is the father of Islam or Muslims.

[01:16:05]>> Yes.

[01:16:06]>> Break that down for you, actually.

[01:16:08]>> Yes. So, how can you even be disrespectful if Christianity and Muslims are aren't they like siblings or >> cousins in a way? They're literally like cousins in a way cuz we believe Abraham Abraham had two sons, right? He had Isaac and he had Ishmael, >> right?

[01:16:25]>> Isaac had Jacob who was the father of the 12 tribes of Israel.

[01:16:30]>> And then he had Ishma and Ishmael is the father of the Arabs. Right.

[01:16:37]>> Can you say that one more time? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

[01:16:39]>> Yes. Of course. So, we have Abraham and then Abraham has has his two sons.

[01:16:45]>> Two sons >> that are Isaac and Ishmael.

[01:16:48]>> Uhhuh. Isaac who had his son Jacob who is the father of the 12 tribes of Israel >> and then Ishmael is the father of the Arabs.

[01:16:59]>> Okay. Okay. Okay.

[01:17:00]>> And the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him is a direct descendant of Ishmael.

[01:17:07]>> Direct descendant of Ismile.

[01:17:11]>> Yes.

[01:17:11]>> Okay.

[01:17:14]Okay. Thank you.

[01:17:15]>> Yeah. Of course. So about the story of the prophet Mhammed peace be upon him in the cave. So um Gabriel comes to the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him while he's praying to God and Gabriel the lady said choked was weird I don't know why she said that um but it was a press so Gabriel he pressed the prophet Muhammad and what this does is it indicates urgency because being a prophet of God it's not something light you know what I mean it's a big responsibility >> definitely >> you are responsible for conveying the message of God Right?

[01:17:48]>> So he presses the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him three times >> and then he tells him to read and the prophet peace be upon him he's confused.

[01:17:55]He's like I do not I'm not one who knows how to read. And then Gabriel says read and he replies I do not know how to read again. Gabriel says read. He replies I don't know how to read. And then Gabriel says read in the name of your Lord who created you. And that was the first verse of the Quran that was ever revealed.

[01:18:14]>> And then Muhammad peace be upon him memorized it. And then he conveyed it to his people. And every single time Gabriel would come to the prophet Muhammad and give him revelation of the Quran. He would memorize it and convey it to his people. And that's how we have the Quran.

[01:18:28]>> He would convey it to them. They would all memorize it. They would write it down and all these good things. And they would all pass it to their descendants and their descendants and their descendants.

[01:18:35]>> Right.

[01:18:36]>> So that's the story about the the cave of Hon. And she she was being weirdly disrespectful about it to be quite frank. It was it was really aggressive.

[01:18:44]>> Yeah. She came out the back disrespectful first. Miss, you just sat down. This the first time. This your first time speaking this whole hour and 59 minutes. Why are you so disrespectful? Was you in your heat? I mean, in your seat just heated like was steam coming out your head. Like she couldn't I could tell she couldn't wait to sit down and be disrespectful. Like, and I don't know if they think they be eating more just because of the disrespect, but you're not eating more.

[01:19:13]you actually look stupid. I'm sorry to say.

[01:19:15]>> Exactly.

[01:19:16]>> It was really unfortunate. And I I did actually have um one more question just cuz I don't want to keep you longer than you you need to be here to be honest cuz um obviously you probably have things to do, you know, um and all that good stuff. So, I don't want to, you know, force you to stay here longer. Um, but was there any last message that you wanted to give to anybody who saw your video or anybody that might be seeing this or to any Christian apologist listening about how they can improve their future conversations with Muslims?

[01:19:49]Um, I definitely want to say to my fellow Christians, we have to learn to listen with a open heart and a kind heart and don't listen with the assumptions that we've heard about Muslims because y'all y'all probably if you ever took the time out your day to go meet a Muslim, they are nice people. Right? So, it's no reason why you should have so much animosity towards them just because of their religion when you never even took the time out your day to go study their religion and see what even to see what they're talking about.

[01:20:35]So I definitely feel like next time there's a debate between Christians and one Muslims, I hope the Christians are respectful and are coming to listen to understand and not just listen to respond.

[01:20:51]>> Exactly. I I fully agree with that.

[01:20:54]>> Yeah.

[01:20:55]>> Yeah, for sure.

[01:20:57]>> Were there any other thoughts that you wanted to get out or anything?

[01:21:00]>> Yeah, let me see real quick because I had a lot of things to say.

[01:21:05]Um, well, what I wrote down is you can obviously tell that you knew a lot about the Quran and the Bible while the Christians only knew the Bible. I realized how many contradictions Christianity have.

[01:21:19]Um, oh, I wanted to say that I was proud of you for representing Allah. Like you really like you made you made me really open my eyes. Like at first I was questioning being a Muslim and should I deep dive into it, but I really think it was Allah putting the debate on my for you page and I me really sitting there >> Yeah. me really sitting there and watching it like it made me it pushed me to finally look into the Muslim religion instead of just thinking about it.

[01:21:57]>> And I'm I'm really glad to hear that.

[01:21:59]That's actually cuz you mentioned, you know, contradictions and in the Bible and so on. And I want to tie that to one of the contentions that you had about why like you, you know, like what's I guess holding you back from being a Muslim. Um cuz your thought is, okay, well, what if I'm wrong? At the end of the day, God is never going to make you believe in something that contains contradictions and uh corruption.

[01:22:22]>> Right? So if we see that within Christianity that there are corruptions and contradictions, then there's no possibility that can it can be from God.

[01:22:32]>> Right. Because God is not confusing God.

[01:22:35]>> Exactly. God is not the author of confusion.

[01:22:38]>> God would not allow for there to be corruption in his book. God would not allow there to be contradictions. So in that case, why wouldn't he sorry, why would he, you know, expect you to believe that Jesus is God or believe in the Bible or even if there's like a possibility, we always remember that God is the most just, right? God is not the author of confusion. So hopefully, you know, that can resonate with you a bit because one of your main contentions was what if I'm wrong? Well, we we trust that God is not going to force us to believe in something confusing. And the fact that the Christianity contains so much corruption and so many contradictions, that in and of itself shows that there's no chance that it could be right.

[01:23:16]>> Right.

[01:23:18]>> Exactly. But uh was there anything else?

[01:23:23]>> No, but I'm just always confused.

[01:23:28]Wait, first of the spirit we see that God's turn because he gave up gave his son.

[01:23:36]Yeah. I'm just always confused. Like I feel like this is the last thing I want to say. As Christians, we don't even know like do we believe Jesus is the son of God or do we believe Jesus is God? I feel like it's one or the other. Like am I tripping? Either he's the son or he is. Right.

[01:23:55]>> No, I I fully agree with you. I believe that that belief within Christianity is beyond confusing. It's and as I said, it ties back. God is not the author of confusion. You know, God is not going to force people to believe in something that's so confusing.

[01:24:10]>> And I love how y'all believe I was just talking about my mom to talk to talk to my mom about this that y'all believe that Jesus going to come back and um destroy the cross. That's when I learned that I was like, "Yeah, that's that's very interesting." Like and I sense like him coming to destroy the cross to signify that he did not die for our sins. But also I wanted to say uh Muslims everybody's held individually for their sins. Right.

[01:24:40]>> Exactly.

[01:24:41]>> Like in Christianity um we believe that if you believe in Jesus all your sins are wiped away. So, not that you automatically go to heaven, but that like Jesus died for our sins and if you believe in him, not that like it's a key to heaven, but like I don't I don't know what I'm trying to say, but I'm tying this into I remember I was I I would ask my mom about like rapists and like slave masters, like where are they at? and she'll say things like, "Oh, well, you don't know um what God is going to do because he sent his son down here to die for all our sins."

[01:25:23]>> That's what I'm saying.

[01:25:23]>> You know what's interesting about that?

[01:25:25]Cuz Islam actually, it breaks that down beautifully.

[01:25:28]>> In Islam, we categorize sins in two different categories. There are two different types of sins. There are sins against only the rights of God and there are sins against the rights of God and the rights of his servants.

[01:25:42]>> So if I commit a sin against God, for example, if I don't pray or um if I commit a sin that only involves me and God, all I have to do to be forgiven for that sin is to repent.

[01:25:55]>> But let's say if I go and I harm somebody, let's say, of course, God forbid, you know, like somebody goes and rapes somebody, right?

[01:26:04]They don't immediately just get to repent and it's it's gone. No.

[01:26:09]>> Because at the end of the day, they wronged somebody else. So what we do in Islam is they need to seek the forgiveness of the person that they wronged before they can even enter heaven.

[01:26:20]>> Clock that. Clock that. Clock that.

[01:26:23]Wait, let me write that down. Y'all ate with that. Hold on. Y'all ate with that?

[01:26:27]Cuz I'm about to when I get off this, I'm about to go to my mom and tell her what you just said. Uhhuh.

[01:26:35]Um >> yeah I I do like and what is it? Is it Cuz I keep saying Muslim religion. Is it Islam?

[01:26:47]>> It's Islam. Yes. Islam is the religion.

[01:26:50]Muslims are the people that follow the religion. So Islam means submission and Muslims is the one who submits.

[01:26:58]>> Okay. Okay. Yeah. I definitely like Islam.

[01:27:03]Islam. That's what I'm saying.

[01:27:05]>> I definitely I definitely like Islam and I'm definitely going to get more into it. Like cuz that's always what I question like how can everybody be in heaven? Like just just because they believe Jesus is the son of God. Like that never made sense to me. And so and while Christians we believe everybody sin is equal, y'all don't believe that.

[01:27:30]Y'all do.

[01:27:31]>> No. danger.

[01:27:32]>> We believe that there are levels to sins. Somebody who goes and litters is not going to be on the same level as somebody who goes and commits genocide.

[01:27:40]>> That's what I've been saying this whole time.

[01:27:43]>> There's levels to it.

[01:27:44]>> I literally just said that. I was on the phone with my Christian friend. We was talking about this and I was like, if I find out that because I've always thought that was stupid. I'm going be say I'm going just say I've always thought it was stupid that sin is equal. So me saying a few curse words is equal to somebody bombing a whole entire country. We're we have the same type of sin and I always I always thought that was stupid. So to hear that there's a religion that doesn't see sin as equal, I'm definitely like creeping over there. Definitely.

[01:28:23]>> Yeah. No, of course. Of course. And I'm glad and obviously you know you have my contact. So if you have any questions about Islam or you know any even if you just want resources you know like do you have any books to recommend because from what I've you know perceived of you you're somebody that really likes research you like asking questions and stuff and I really respect that because I'm the same way >> right. So if you ever have any questions or any recommend sorry if you have any questions or if you want any recommendations for things to read or things to listen to I always got I always got you. But is there anything that you wanted to conclude with I don't want to keep you here too long. No, but thank you so much for having me on here and I wish I wish you nothing but peace.

[01:28:58]Peace and blessings for real.

[01:29:01]>> I appreciate you so much. I I show so much respect to you always. And as I said, you have my contact. So if you ever want to reach out, ask anything, even if you know you just want to talk about something else, it doesn't necessarily have to be religion. You you have me in the DMs and you can say whatever you want and I will respond.

[01:29:16]And if there's nothing else that you wanted to add, then I'm not going to hold you here any any longer. Thank you so much for coming. It genuinely means so much and I'm so happy to have you and this was a beautiful conversation.

[01:29:28]>> Of course, it's a beautiful conversation. I loved to hear your input and I I have nothing but you know respect for you and I hope that you know God blesses you on your journey of research and learning and so on. And with that being said, for everybody that's watching, asalam allayikum to all of the Muslims.