What is Time, Place and Manner? And Why Are Universities Using it to Punish Student Activists?

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[00:03:22]>> My colleague. My colleague is here. She is uh I know it's early, too. She's a host of This Is Not a Drill Saturday mornings on this radio station. She's the director of Black Lives Matter grassroots, a professor at Cal State LA, and a mother of three. And now, I always forget your title uh within the union. I am the political action and legislative chair for California faculty association.

[00:03:49]>> Okay, it's a long title, but not as long a not as long as national, international, and intergalactic president of the Prince Fan Club.

[00:04:00]>> Ow, >> man. You did that really well. You did that really well. We're trying to also see if we can get some other um folks from BLM grassroots to join here and there, but um one thing we didn't get to talk about last time you were on that I think is really really really really important is this whole time place manner thing. I don't think people understand it. I didn't couldn't really get my head around it. But uh first live and in person congratulations on 13 years >> 13 years of black lives. There's a lot of 13s in our so I got to figure out what that means. I think that's the number of transformation. But Black Lives Matter uh was founded right here in Los Angeles on July 13th, 2013 and we just turned 13 years old and we are 56 chapters all around the world doing really important work to make Black Lives Matter. And we remember that we were founded on front lines, not on red carpets.

[00:05:03]Love the work that's moving through all of these chapters.

[00:05:06]>> Well, and and I for me, you know, um not having done all of the hard work of building those 56 chapters, uh just seeing so many people in town for the annual celebration, um was wild. I mean, I know it. I have said it many times. 56 chapters. Boy, when you meet people like, "Oh, hi. I'm from Sweden. Oh, hi. I'm from Michigan.

[00:05:34]I'm Hardford, Connecticut." Like Boise, Idaho. It's like what?

[00:05:38]>> There's chapters there and there when you see the actual black people, >> you know, with their Black Lives Matter gear on and and all of the things that they're doing. It is really wild.

[00:05:49]>> It is. It's wild that I'm getting to know some of the people, some of the leaders, because it was only the leadership that was here. It wasn't the rank and file membership. So, we had um two people per chapter that were brought out. But remember, those two people represent at least, you know, a hundred others in their their areas. And so, it's encouraging too that you're not carrying the work by yourself, that there's work that's moving. That's really important. And that wasn't even everybody because there were some chapters that couldn't make it. So Jamaica just reactivated and you know >> Yeah. That's wild. There's a who knew there's a Black Lives Matter chapter in Jamaica. It's just not something you think about. I mean we talked about Sweden because I don't I think of blonde white people when I think of Sweden and there are black people there and they're organizing under Black Lives Matter. I met uh one of the young uh the youth Vanguard people from Sweden, >> Leonardo. Leonardo and he was, you know, very enthusiastic, very plugged in >> and is Swedish and black.

[00:06:55]>> Yeah. And he was carrying around books asking me deep questions about France Fenan and how do we relate when we talk about the wretched of the earth and it's really really powerful.

[00:07:09]>> I Yeah. And I I think it's I I like to talk about it because, you know, we talked about this last time you were here like, "Oh, Black Lives Matter, is that still a thing?" That attitude or when people say back in the Black Lives Matter era, I'm like, "You still living in the Black Lives Matter era actually."

[00:07:24]And I think part of the reason people say that is because they don't know that there are 56 chapters independently moving in different states inside uh prison in in in in Europe and in Jamaica of all places. But I guess with the with the earthquake and the devastation uh that I mean the hurricane and the devastation that they've had to deal with there um community organizing makes sense.

[00:07:50]>> Yeah. So, we spent, you know, the last year since Hurricane Melissa, really doing a lot of rebuilding in Jamaica.

[00:07:57]Um, for years, we've been connected with a place called a Kong Town, which is the Black Maroon Society that was founded by Queen Nanny back in the 1700s, right? If we think about our African ancestors who waged a war so fierce that the British fell back and gave them sovereignty, right? So, we've been connected with them for years and um been building with them for years. But when Hurricane Melissa hit and it hit a compound town pretty hard, we began rebuilding and one of the people who was one of our early co-directors of Black Lives Matter grassroots, Carlen Seek Griffith, who's also a co-founder of Black Lives Matter Boston, um she was leading some of that work along with David Josiah Lawson's mom. And so that really seeded the need to build a chapter. You can't just return home. Sister Carlen returned home. She's from Jamaica, moved to Boston, and then returned home to raise her son, but is recognizing the hugely important need for black organizing space in Jamaica.

[00:09:03]>> Yeah. that. And but I just think, you know, in in a in a time of um in a time of of of discouragement for a lot of people and fear um because of things that are going on, some of which we'll address in hour three today. Um, you know, just it I think it's great to wake up and realize in 50 different six different places in the world and that's not counting like movement for black lives and white people for black lives and you know >> community movement builders.

[00:09:37]>> Yes. Like just all these other organizations just just black lives matter grassroots just that one organization.

[00:09:45]There are 56 different formations of black people in the world waking up saying, "How can we liberate black people today?" And that if that doesn't make you smile on a Wednesday, I don't I don't know what will.

[00:09:59]>> Yeah, absolutely. And it's also one of the reasons we're invisibleized, of course, it's intention, right? So, white supremacist patriarchal capitalism doesn't want us to exist, so they try to erase us from headlines. Um, you've taught us we should I don't didn't wear a t-shirt. We should be wearing t-shirts or something so they can >> branding. Well, but you know, I mean, you're at KBLA. No one's going to erase.

[00:10:24]>> Nobody's going to erase us here. This is all this is what we're talking about as Black Lives Matter grassroots. But um one of the things that's also important is to remember we intentionally structured ourselves not to um exalt messianic leaders that we're uh group centered leadership. And I think that there is a deliberate effort to say, "Well, Ben Crump will save us." Or um >> so by messianic leaders, you mean like messiah types that are like rock stars or cult leaders like our resident um that don't, you know, that that don't really represent a movement. They just represent that one charismatic person.

[00:11:06]And then if that person is murdered, as we've seen happen again and again with black leadership, it leaves us in disarray. If they are imprisoned, murdered, discredited, it leaves everything in disarray. But if we build, you know, the many, if we build many leaders, what Ella Baker called group centered leadership, then we have a really viable and potentially revolutionary organization. So that's the work that we've been doing.

[00:11:33]>> I mean, it doesn't mean you can't have charismatic leader. you are one.

[00:11:36]>> You know, you kind of don't need a shirt. People see, at least around here, I don't know about New York, but on the left coast, people are like, "Oh, Black Lives Matter." You are the shirt. But, um, but it's also true that, you know, like you look at the youth vanguard and all 56 chapters have their own charismatic and, you know, and committed leadership.

[00:11:56]That's a lot of people.

[00:11:57]>> That's a lot of people. And some people are going to be out front. Some people are going to be behind the scenes. I know when we were paying tribute to Andrew Joseph Jr. who was our rapid response coordinator who passed, you know, who are the artists in the room?

[00:12:11]And so, Sister Tiffany, who's a tremendous vocalist, leads Black Lives Matter Houston in the name of her murdered son, Jaylen Randall. She stepped forward with a voice that is, you know, beyond its only scent from God. And then Marcus McDonald plays the trombone. He leads Black Lives Matter Charleston. and I can't do that. So when you have different spaces of leadership and different ways of leading and different ways of u mobilizing people, it's much more effective.

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[00:16:38]>> Right now. right now. Uh Dr. uh Dr. Molina Abdullah is here. Um Dr. Molina Abdullah, you know, it's been a long time since I was on a college campus as a student. I go as a speaker all the time or go to events, but when I was in college, there was no such thing as time, place, and manner. And so I wasn't tracking it. Can you explain what that is even?

[00:17:05]>> Sure. Well, when you were a student, when I was a student, when our parents were students, college campuses were places where you learned, but also learned that you were agents of change, right? In fact, there's a whole film called agents of change about um student protest. And we learned that college campuses are launching points from everything uh from the freedom rides to sitins at lunch counters to ending the Vietnam War to addressing apartheid to winning ethnic studies to launching Black Lives Matter. Um that's what college campuses did in addition to your classroom experience in addition to you know taking exams and writing. They taught us how to do our civic duty, which is be engaged and informed um an engaged and informed electorate. Right.

[00:17:56]>> Right. Well, the repression and oppression and really frankly fascism has hit college campuses as well. And so what they've been trying to do is stomp out student protest.

[00:18:11]And they most college campuses have enacted something called time, place, and manner restrictions, saying we're not going to inhibit free speech, but you can only speak freely during these times, during the in at these places and in this manner. Well, then that's not protest.

[00:18:29]>> That it's not free.

[00:18:30]>> It's not free. Right. Exactly. It's not free speech if we don't get to decide how it's done. If if we're confined to at Cal State LA, it's called a free speech area and you can't have amplified sound and you can only be there from, you know, noon to 6, then that's not a protest. That's not free speech. And so most campuses adopted these practices.

[00:18:56]But two years ago, there was legislation requiring California campuses to have these time, place, and manner restrictions, which have been used to criminalize um and discipline students. So, >> right, because if you're protesting somewhere that's outside of their designated protest areas and times and in the way that they don't want you to do it, then that's a violation, right?

[00:19:21]>> Absolutely. So, we have students um Angel Marie Taylor, who's been on this show before. Angel Marie Taylor had her degree, completed all of the requirements for graduation from Cal State Channel Islands, had her degree held for two years. And now that they've said, "Okay, yes, she did graduate."

[00:19:42]They still won't release her um diploma, which means it's holding her up from grad school, which she had been admitted to, but that had to be rescended because they don't have her undergrad proof of her undergrad degree. It's holding up her entire life and there's hundreds of students all up and down California that are experiencing this.

[00:20:03]>> It sounds unconstitutional. Why is that not unconstitutional?

[00:20:07]>> I believe it is unconstitutional. But look at the Supreme Court. Good luck with it.

[00:20:11]>> Yeah, that's true. I mean, if we to me it's just like if we have a right to assemble, we have a right to free speech, then what you're doing is you are restricting those rights. But again, yeah, if it if it went to the Supreme Court, it would probably be never mind that right to assemble a protest. We're just going to cut those rights out.

[00:20:31]>> Well, I mean, we have students at Cal State Northridge who are actually getting caught with felonies for violating the time, place, and manner restrictions. Felonies.

[00:20:42]>> I mean, can you imagine felonies? I I I definitely would be a felon because we I mean the things we did, you know, you're doing sitins in in administrative offices, you're marching on closing down the street in front of the university.

[00:20:58]You're, you know, doing dieins, all that stuff. That's the stuff though that moves the needle. I mean, every time they wanted to shut down ethnic studies, we would be camped out in somebody's office until we got our way and then they then we would leave.

[00:21:12]>> Right. Right. And they think it's only the pro Palestinian encampments that are impacted, but most of the students, and we're in the data collection phase right now. There's an assembly bill. I do want to give um credit and say uh we owe a debt of gratitude and should be cheering on Shade Alwari, who is the assembly member who represents South Central Los Angeles. All the other legislators were scared to touch it. And Shade Alwari introduced a bill. Assembly Bill 2551 that begins to push back against time, place, and manner restrictions. Um that bill has passed the Senate Education Commission uh committee and now we're trying to get it through appropriations to um finally be adopted as law, which will require campuses to collect data on who's being violated, right? uh quantitative and qualitative data, but also have forums on campus about what that means. What we're seeing just anecdotally, and we have student committees who are helping to collect that data, faculty um committees who are helping to collect that data even now, is that black students are disproportionately impacted. And it's again not just pro Palestinian encampments, pro Palestinian um protest, which we should be engaged in, but it's also things like protesting about tuition hikes, protesting about um the erosion of diversity, equity, and inclusion programs. Those are the things that are harming students and disproportionately black students. Oh, just uh right on time, we have a member of the youth vanguard joining us on the phone. Would you like to introduce Michaela?

[00:22:57]>> Yes. Michaela Ellis is a student at San Francisco State. She's a really important member of the Black Lives Matter uh grassroots youth vanguard and she is up early in the morning, even on her summer break, even just after having had a tremendous birthday. So grateful for you, Michaela. Thank you for waking up this morning and hopping on.

[00:23:20]>> Yes, of course. Um I'm really thankful that you guys are speaking on this. Um I'm a like you said I'm a student at San Francisco State and um this is a really important issue that students are facing and talking about.

[00:23:35]So yeah like time, place and manner. I want to speak to it because right now we're seeing like students being disproportionately impacted especially black students, students of color and Muslim students.

[00:23:49]And what I've seen is like students like Angel Marie being harassed by police and then this policy being used to legitimize their criminalization of students, their harassment of students and acting like students haven't always protested, haven't always spoke up for their rights. And this is, you know, the same way that us as black students even got access to education was through protest, right? So to see this is really disheartening. At San Francisco State and other campuses, we see right-wing um people being able to put up booths, use amplified sound, and so their speech is not even used um even attacked by this bill equally. And so I see that and I'm just like, so white supremacists can come and speak and spread hate speech and then black and brown students speaking up for Palestine, speaking up against tuition, black student rights, um, survivor rights, all of these things are being attacked. So I definitely see the inequality there and remembering like the people who came before us, especially in education, have always pushed for this. even the reason that you know I have access to education right now. So I really appreciate y'all speaking to this because like you said students deserve degrees when they go into school not felonies and it's like how do we continue to organize when there's this threat against our education when it feels like more risky.

[00:25:23]And so it's like we definitely have to come together in that sense because we do have strength in numbers when we see them trying to pick apart the the organizers and discipline specific students. It's a really important issue to bring up on the in the movement as a whole because students have always been at the forefront.

[00:25:43]>> Yeah. Thank you for being with us Michaela. We got news, traffic, and sports right here. I would like to talk with you more, ask you some questions.

[00:25:49]That's my alma mater. I graduated from San Francisco State and so if there would have been time, place, manner when I was there, I don't sheesh, I don't know if I would have made it through, but um no, I would have and you are. But uh yeah, I want we've got news, traffic, and sports then more >> on KBLA talk 1580.

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[00:31:35]>> Thanks for waking up with Dominique Drima on KBLA Talk 1580 >> over here strategizing, doing some organizing and all that. Um, and you're welcome in at 8009201580.

[00:31:51]Michael Kayla Ellis is on the phone.

[00:31:53]She's with Black Lives Matter Grassroots Youth Vanguard. She's also a student at my alma mater, San Francisco State. Go Gators. And Dr. Molina Abdullah is here.

[00:32:03]I was just reflecting on how, you know, it was students organizing on that campus of San Francisco State um with my father who was not a student but who was an organizer um helping the young people there that established the very first school of ethnic studies in the entire nation. And it was like every year or every other year we had to do sitins to make sure they didn't close it. So that that school in particular has a history of activism.

[00:32:33]>> Well, all of us do, right? Cal State LA has a history of activism, right? We're the second um department of black studies, pan-African studies in the country. I know that.

[00:32:44]>> Yeah. San Francisco State 1968, Cal State LA 1969.

[00:32:50]Um and Aayuko Babu will be very very clear because sometimes Sea Sun tries to get in there and say they were first, but they were not. Cal State LA um came right after uh San Francisco State, but that was through student protest. In fact, the reason that my building that I teach out of is called King Hall and not North Hall is because students with the BSU shut that building down after Dr. King was assassinated and demanded its renaming. And so, it's really important to remember the role of student activism. my alma moater at Howard. Um you know, they took over the administration building um the year before I got there, your brother was at the front of that to make sure that they drove out that terrible um president, but also drove down tuition. And then the year that I was a senior, we took over um uh King Day. I don't know why they had Clinton come in and speak about King, but they we took over a King Day event to demand that vendors remain on campus, that books be kept at a reasonable price, and again around tuition. So again, student protest on every campus is hugely important, but UC's and CSUs because of the California legislative process and specifically um some narrow interests decided to make it a requirement that all UC's and CSUs have time, place, and manner restrictions, which harms our students.

[00:34:26]>> So Michaela, what does that look like on the San Francisco State campus? I can't even imagine. um like do you have a designated area where you're allowed to protest? Like how does how does that actually play out for you in real time?

[00:34:42]>> Yeah. So there's designated areas where students are quote unquote allowed to have free speech, right? And as you know, it's supposed to be our right to it. And so by that restricting where people can gather, being able to um h try to make us request for permits basically or being allowed to gather and plan something, right? and even our campus events. I know back in the day when um your father Dominique was organizing and students were creating these movements um across different campuses, there was kind of autonomy in where you could gather when and now events and a lot of the things where we want to speak to each other and get together are like you have to request and sometimes your events can get denied. I've seen more radical student gatherings and student organizations trying to come together and having to go through these measures and then getting their events denied more than anyone else and having to um adjust and things like that. And still students are organizing students are organizing within that getting together whether it's through those means or not you know going around them in the way that we can or not >> as you should. But I mean, I'm glad you guys are doing that. Um, yeah, the phones are going off and my computer's going off. It's it's very Mercury retrograde these days, >> but I can't even imagine that. I mean, I think not just my dad. I think about what would have happened to, you know, a a Dr. King or even Jesse Jackson. When we were at state, we used to have we used to bring Jesse Jackson or he would come for rallies when I was there. You don't even have to go back as far as my dad, right? Um, we just protested wherever. What would happen to us if we did that today?

[00:36:35]>> Right. So, pro protesting even um we see that black and brown students are getting targeted the most, students who are speaking up for our free Palestine.

[00:36:45]And what we've seen is them using campus police to actually do that. So even before the disciplinary action um in the moment I've seen police come and harass organizers like Marie Taylor when organizing for labor rights um for teachers and student workers to have the pay that they deserve for them to not be cutting classes and um investing back in students like things like that and then them sending police and stuff like that at for peaceful protest. You know what I'm saying?

[00:37:20]>> Yeah. Is are people being intimidated?

[00:37:22]Do you feel intimidated? Is anyone >> Is anyone backing down or changing their plans because they're scared?

[00:37:32]>> I don't think students are scared. I think that with the the trans administration and the rising like fascism we see on campus and in our communities, we have to be more vigilant um with protests and gatherings and things like that. But the solidarity amongst different groups and with different people does create a united front to where you know we might have to adjust and reassess how we gather and plan it out more specifically so that one student isn't being targeted like we see a lot of graduation protests and folks getting together on that on walkouts you know speaking up but in a way that's not just one person so we can't isolate them and um target pick apart our our organizers in that way >> and and that's connected to what we were just talking about why we have to have group centered leadership right so that so that we can move things forward collectively I know that some students have even had their degrees snatched however that we saw just a couple of months ago um UC Berkeley graduation one of the graduates pulled out a Palestinian flag as he was crossing the stage and in real time they not only snatched the flag But they withheld his degree. And so this is why we >> just for holding the flag.

[00:38:52]>> For holding a Palestinian flag. For holding a Palestinian flag.

[00:38:56]>> Well, so they're more strict than the World Cup apparently.

[00:39:01]>> Right. Well, I mean, it's all connected too, right? The same narrow interests that are saying that it's illegal to, you know, um, protest for Palestine to demand that they stop killing babies because let's remember what it is. It's not, you know, just one side against the other. Those of us who believe in a free Palestine, what we mean by that is that babies, that people, that Palestinian people should be able to live without being bombed, should be able to retain their homes without having them demolished, without having so-called settlers come in and take their homes.

[00:39:41]Right? This is what we mean when we say free Palestine. But that is illegal talk. Now, um if you look at what the Trump regime just did around Cuba, um I don't know, Dominique, if you saw what was just put out about, you know, who to be aware of. There was a um Marco Rubio put out this 100page memo that names Black Lives Matter grassroots and says one of the reasons we're a danger is because we um honor and revered fascist.

[00:40:11]That is fascism. when you can't honor Assad Shakur, when you can't say free Palestine and campuses especially should be spaces where our students are celebrated and encouraged to be critical thinkers and agents of change. So I'm really really grateful for people like Michaela Ellis.

[00:40:29]>> Yeah. I and I just want to highlight now um the the the US is saying that we're sending a cargo plane with food and hygiene kits that supposedly went out yesterday. Um while you know at the same time they're trying to take down the government now they're saying that they're sending 700 packages that are going to bypass the government and distribute them directly to the Cuban people using Catholic missionary groups as um emissaries.

[00:41:00]It's 60 million which you know supposed to be of a total of 100 million which sounds like a lot but when you're starving a people for 60 years and not letting any gas or oil come in it's probably a drop in the bucket. That said um I think that doesn't happen if these conversations are not happening on campuses on radio stations and protest lines. Why are we killing babies? Why are we killing babies in Cuba? because they can't get medical care because there's no electricity for the hospitals because they're starving. And I think that when we continuously call them out, whether Marco Rubio tries to shut us down or not, then they end up having to do it. Well, look, we're at least we're sending >> right >> food for a crisis they created.

[00:41:47]>> Right.

[00:41:48]>> You created the crisis and now you airdropping some crackers and acting like you did something. No, stop with the crisis and the embargo and the blockade, you know.

[00:41:58]>> Yeah. Also, you know, I I've seen a lot of news coverage and they always call Marco Rubio Cuban. He's the son of Cuban immigrants, but he hasn't spent any time in Cuba. He doesn't know anything about today's Cuba. And that's what they love to do in the modern in the in the mainstream media. They like to ask Cubans whose parents are Cuban but they've never been to Cuba or they left Cuba when they were two. They like to ask them their white Cubans. Right.

[00:42:26]Let's talk about the racial politics of it. Marco Rubio lives his life as a white man.

[00:42:32]>> But >> a wealthy one at that.

[00:42:34]>> White wealthy and all of the other things. Um we we'll leave that alone.

[00:42:39]But, uh, you know, he lives his life as a white man and he doesn't get to just decide what should be happening and who's a, um, a problem that needs to be put down. Um, because that's his politics. He's a right-wing fascist.

[00:42:58]and whatever they're saying about going around the Cuban government, they could not take that food to that island without the permission of the Cuban government because Cuba is still a sovereign nation and they still have a military and everything else. So even though they're broke and starving and being, you know, starved out by the United States, you can't just show up.

[00:43:20]So, and the Cuban people don't want their crackers. They want freedom, right? They don't want their air dropped dry what is it freeze-dried food. They want freedom. And we know that people like um Dr. Ni Cordelai and Tandiwi and Baba Keily were just in Cuba and this is directly from the Cuban people that what they want is freedom. They want >> Tandi and Baba Keily for those who don't know are members of Black Lives Matter grassroots.

[00:43:50]>> Yes. She talks to you guys like you're part of the organization which is all good. Um but just to to underline the point um the foreign the Cuban foreign minister says the amount of aid that they're sending um adds up to 5 days of the of the impact of the blockade of the US blockade. So we're sending five days of reversal of 60 years of damage that we've been doing. And it's not it's snacks for five days. What it's not is the reopening of hospitals. What it's not is the urgently needed um energy um and gas and oil needed to run a country >> which they're not even asking us to give them. They just want us to move out the way so they can buy it. Um anyway, we digress. Michaela, um you know, Dr. Abdullah was talking about how there's legislation moving through right now um that um assembly member Shadel Harare has bravely brought to um the out to the assembly. It's now out of committee. it's gone to the next committee that would um make them study uh who is being impacted by this time, place, and manner and whether it's more um impactful, whether it's disproportionately targeting black and Latino students, especially black students. It sounds like from your own lived experience, that's what you see.

[00:45:17]I'm trying to figure out how do they justify how what do they tell you guys like, oh, we're gonna let Turning Point USA or we're gonna let these white supremacists come and table on your campuses, which we've been seeing that happening um even at H.B.CU. How do they justify that while shutting you down?

[00:45:39]>> That's right. So, we do have this bill moving forward, and it's so important to speak on this because I've seen it, and it it still blows my mind how there can be people like right-wing um time t whoever, right? TPUSA, uh we call them to toilet paper USA, whatever you want to call them.

[00:46:04]They're there and um their presence is unwanted by students. you know, we have a lot of solidarity. Like there's still a radical energy on the SF State campus and our other campuses don't welcome that. And so it's usually students um counterprotesting them and things like that. But the justification is so interesting because it's like free speech only applies to certain people um on our campuses. It it really makes us um realize how much and the lengths that our campuses will go to be in line with the Trump regime essentially. And it's essential that we have bills like this because you know I've seen uh hate speech happening right in the middle of um campus and campus police walking right by. And then like I said with students like Angel Marie um speaking on labor rights, speaking on um paying paying student workers, paying teachers and having that faculty solidarity, being harassed by police, putting them putting their hands on a student or trying to and um there's a very stark difference. However, this bill when we see um black Muslim students, students speaking up for Palestine, like their degrees being snatched or them being um disciplined, this bill actually researches who is being targeted the most. So, the schools are trying to keep the basically hide the information on who how this policy this new policy has been has been used because we know it was implemented after the encampments when students are saying we don't want genocide. We want divestment from we want divestment from genocide. And so the way that they're being they're being targeted is not being documented. It's not being transparent. And so that's what this bill seeks to push seeks to push forward so that we can eventually then abolish TPM as a whole.

[00:48:01]>> Right? So that data once it's collected can show what we know it's going to show which is the racist um nature. And I would I don't know if the bill can track this, but um maybe you do, doc. The partisan nature too of these um of these restrictions on free speech and those two things uh could conceivably help end time place manage restrictions once and for all.

[00:48:29]>> Yeah. So the data collection will allow us to provide proof of what we already know is happening that again I I was I along with many other students and faculty because this affects students and it also affects faculty. If we think about what just happened with Dr. Tiffany Willoughby Herard at UC Irvine where this black faculty member standing up for the students as police moved in to attack them and police wound up brutally attacking her and then she was disciplined by the university. she was removed um put on leave without pay had her health care taken um this renowned professor right so it's happening to students faculty also happening to community members but we also know that they allow organizations like turning point like whatever um what's his name Ben uh Shapiro uh used to run right come and invade our campuses Cal State LA was attacked by a bunch of um uh the Shapiro folks who were bust in on luxury buses and we were physically attacked and then we were um accused and so it's really important to collect that data on who's being attacked and how who's being disciplined and who's not. All right, we'll continue this conversation when we come forward. Dr. Molina Abdullah and Michaela Ellis on KBLA talk 1580 >> where the overlooked become unmissable.

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[00:53:01]>> Man, time flies when you're on the radio. We just have three minutes. Uh you guys want to take a minute and a half each?

[00:53:09]>> Sure. Uh Michaela Ellis, what do we need to know? Those of us who haven't been on a campus in a minute as a student at least.

[00:53:19]>> Yeah. So for me as a student who got into the movement through I consider myself a student of ethnic studies as someone who has you know taken Africana and ethnic studies and seeing the solidarity that we learn about that came before us to see it happening in action on that campus was really important with the encampments and then to see the way that our campuses and the the regime that's happening in our country right now goes chose to target organizers and student organizers, excuse me, has been very um disheartening, but also know that students are finding ways to organize within that. And then when we see professors and students alike being targeted and labeled anti-semitic or labeled, you know, divisive when they're speaking up about what's happening, um we need to have more solidarity, you know, with them. I know that during the protest that happened at SF State, you know, it wasn't just students there. Community showed up for students, professors had solidarity with students. And so I think that we need to get back to those roots. Uh most importantly, >> yeah. Well, look, I'm proud of you and uh call me anytime. My mic is your mic.

[00:54:34]I'll tell you that. And and I do want to remind you, I mean, that we didn't have the egregious stuff you guys are dealing with, but they were targeting people back then. They were harassing us. They were threatening us. And guess what? We still won. So, so you you know, I'm proud of you and and keep up the great work. Dr. Abdullah, what do you want to leave us with?

[00:54:53]>> Sure. With the time, place, and manner restrictions, please watch our socials because we're going to need to create pressure. Um, there is a right-wing camp trying to kill our bill. And so, we need to push it through. Again, that's Assembly Bill 2551.

[00:55:09]So, please watch our social media, BLM Grassroots on socials, BLM Los Angeles on socials, as well as the California Faculty Association. Um, and also we're going to fight and win a bunch of stuff.

[00:55:24]So, speaking of student organizing, our every Wednesday protest in front of the district attorney's office is going to be student centered today. Meet us there at 4:00, 211 West Temple, where we're going to tell the DA to press charges against the ICE agent who killed Keith Porter. You can also sign that petition at tinyurl.com/ uh KeithPorter Justice.

[00:55:48]Tinyurl.com/keithporterjustice.

[00:55:51]And we're BLM grassroots on all socials.

[00:55:54]>> Right. And um you're going to stay with me for a second cuz uh I'm recruiting you to talk about verified blackowned for wealthb buildinging Wednesday.

[00:56:02]>> I would love to.

[00:56:02]>> Yeah. For all of our blackowned businesses. I know there are many in the KBLA delegation. You're want going to want to hear this. Then we'll open up the phone lines. Right now it's news, traffic, and sports. Thank you so much, Michaela.

[00:56:13]>> Thank you, Michaela.

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