Cancro visto da un bioingegnere #cancro

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[00:00:01]Good morning, welcome back. Hello Antonietta.

[00:00:05]Good morning everyone. Like every 15th of Monday we meet again.

[00:00:12]Exact. Every 15 days we are here with Antonietta. We leave your husband who will probably show up next Monday and obviously we'll go into a field with you. with you we always go much deeper into the nanoparticle, into science, because it 's your daily job. And today it is actually a sensitive topic because it has been talked about continuously for years, decades more than years, decades upon decades upon decades and about Cancer, the fight against cancer. Um, and rightly so, as the title suggests, cancer seen from the point of view of a bioengineer. So, I Antonietta, well, first of all, I'll start off by saying, guys, remember to subscribe to the Gatti Montanari channel for those of you who are new here on the channel.

[00:01:05]Subscribe to Gatti Montanari and meetup point because we always try to give you new content weekly, keep you informed and consequently also activate the bells, give a nice like to the video, comment, basically, in this way we create a community here and spread some important news. Cancer has always been, as I was saying in recent decades, an important topic. All those fundraisers, all those researches, all those teletons or awareness raising etc., against cancer, against cancer, against cancer. Um, but eh I'll put a big but in there. I would like to understand, Antonietta, where we are with this research against cancer which sometimes seems like a dog that curls its tail and doesn't go away somewhere. We can't understand why this fight has been going on for decades. Is there still a solution? As an ignoramus, non-medical person, I might say, well, maybe it really is that complicated, but I'd like to hear your point of view where you could also give us a brief chronology, a timeline that explains, look, from so to so, things have gone this way up until now and we're at this point here.

[00:02:20]So, I'll make a premise. Hmm. And Cancer has always been at these intense levels. Nowadays there isn't a family that hasn't had a death from cancer and so it has become normal, it's bad to say, but it is, but it is so.

[00:02:43]Well. Um, let's start from 1950, post-war.

[00:02:47]Hmm. And there, yes, cancers were there before too, but they were rare, so much so that no one talked about them. And when a person got cancer, well, they got cancer, then it was understood that it was cancer, because even the diagnoses were not easy to make with the equipment of the time, um and they said he died of a strange disease, a new disease, these cases were rare, very rare.

[00:03:22]Well, in eh let's say that in 1950 eh there was a range of incidence that that was low. Eh eh there were, let's say, nine cases out of 100,000 sick people, just to give you an idea. So even the 10 for that is is nothing. Well, in the space of 20 years, from 1950-60 let's say up until 1980 there was incredible growth. You've gone to 24 cases per 100,000.

[00:04:09]I mean, guys, it's tripled, it's incredible. And while cancer was much lower in women, it was a nearly a nearly a 4%, 4 in 100,000, sorry, 4 in 100,000. In 1950, only in 2010 did we go down to 14 cases per 100,000.

[00:04:37]So, so it affected men more than women. This thing here is not if one has never, eh, let's say completely understood, that is, it was said yes, a man works, smokes, so then it strikes a lot. So, eh, we had just in the 90s an incidence of eh almost 9 million deaths mh and we went on in 2023, so we arrive more or less today at 19.3 million deaths. I mean, guys, between 1990 and 2023, what are they? 33 years old. Well, yes yes it has more than doubled, eh, deaths from cancer have more than doubled, so eh it has been an incredible thing, not only that, but there has been an incredible incidence in recent years, more than 79.0% of cancer deaths. every 50 years.

[00:05:52]This means that in the 50s and 60s, cancer affected very old people, now it affects people under 50, young people, not only, but also children, because then we talk about it, we have children and in fact it has accelerated, especially in recent years, it has accelerated a lot, the trend that leads to death.

[00:06:24]Um, if you go and look at all the graphs you'll see that they actually tell you yes, that is, they tell you a little about death, they tell you about 5-year survival thanks to the drugs that doctors give. So um we're in a situation that has degenerated.

[00:06:47]You were saying with all the funds we have, cancer has increased a lot.

[00:06:53]So, and at this point, why do we have to ask ourselves why is it still a, let's say, a topic that with all the, let's say the, the new drugs that we have, that they've developed, we're still in an area where mortality is not certain, but it's close. And here I'm looking at other statistics on what the trend has been in various Nordic countries, for example, even now it's, let's say, a very steep slope, it's not something that's going down.

[00:07:54]Let's say we have to wait a little longer for the descents.

[00:08:00]So, given this situation, still an emergency, it's an epidemic, cancer is an epidemic, especially in the last 5 years we have seen that there are cancers that in the space of 40 days knock a person down, knock you down and take them to the coffin.

[00:08:19]Well, so we're not talking about simple things and even all the drugs available, the standardized protocols don't work.

[00:08:33]So there must be something that our scientists, the ones who make a lot of money at Teleton, have missed.

[00:08:45]But what did they solve? There was a drug that actually gives you the certainty of a cure. We do n't have drugs that cure you, but that heal you, because they are two completely different concepts.

[00:09:03]Well, you think that you go to the doctor and he'll cure you, right? The doctor can cure you perhaps, perhaps, but not always cure you, on the contrary.

[00:09:17]Well, if you go to any funeral home they'll tell you they've been doing big business lately.

[00:09:28]What's most disappointing, one of the funeral directors told me, are the white bars because they also affect children at an early age, not to mention abortions, which is another issue that we don't address. So, what does bioengineer Gatti, who specializes in biomedical technology in physics, know about it? What do I know about cancer?

[00:09:59]Um, I didn't study medicine because I was afraid of being too empathetic, that is, of sharing too much of the person's pain, and therefore the doctor can't afford that. So I studied physics, but then due to a series of life coincidences I found myself heavily drawn back into medicine. It's also true that I spent more than 30 years at the medical school at the University of Modena, so I talked to doctors more or less daily, but um, it all started because of a nephrologist who got the wrong phone number and called me, and I solved the problem for him. As a technical engineer, I solved the situation for him. I understood why the patient was sick. After that, um, let's talk about 2000, 91, or rather, first there was the Gulf War, then there was the Balkan War, so let's move on to 99, at which point, uh, in the newspapers, because the newspapers were reporting some news then. Now this is a bit different news, eh, maybe it's not news, it's other things.

[00:11:26]Okay, well, the Balkan war came about and soldiers began to arrive who had been in the Balkans in an area, let 's say, where a few bombs had been exploded. Hmm. So a polluted area, I was saying, the soldiers started to arrive who, uh, got sick with leukemia. The first ones had fallen ill with diukemia, that is, a blood cancer. Then came those with testicular cancer, thyroid cancer and gliobalastomy, then brain cancer. So, m, since I had, let's say, thrown a stone into some stagnant water and I produced a little bit of waves, a little bit of, let's say something that wasn't static but dynamic. I started saying, " Look, these soldiers went to a polluted area." Now, if the air pollution here is seen, it comes with attention, then then you remember?

[00:12:58]no, on certain Sundays you couldn't drive around in your car because there were PM10 particles of a certain size that were obviously overabundant, they exceeded the legal limits and therefore we tried not to increase the pollution which is usually always that of cars, it's always our fault pollution that of factories Because of those very high roads, those are countless. Well, if you remember at that time there was a whole problem, let's say that public opinion was aware of all the pollution caused by the incinerators.

[00:13:43]Now after Covid we don't talk about it anymore, it seems to have disappeared. It seems that somehow someone has erased this pollution. However, even then it was known that dust was bad for your health, but even all the mine workers knew it in ancient times.

[00:14:06]In fact, in Plina in Vecchio there is a famous letter that he sent to the Roman Senate to request more slaves because those who worked in the asbestos mines were dying before the others.

[00:14:26]This was well known, but it was known that those who breathed in this dust could develop a lung cancer called mesothelioma, a very particular lung cancer, so there was basic scientific knowledge, even popular knowledge, but somehow it was erased by the pollution and war, that's what I call it, about the Balkans and the subsequent deaths and soldiers, everything is silent. It was never talked about again.

[00:15:17]What does a good scientist understand? he understands that by studying that phenomenon, perhaps he can also understand the cancers that develop among normal people who have n't been to war zones.

[00:15:37]Wars continued to exist, so eh Iraq, eh Afghanistan and so sick soldiers returned and this is an incontrovertible fact.

[00:15:59]But didn't the doctors go to see what was inside that cancer? I do.

[00:16:06]And from that I then moved on to other cases that patients brought to me because the patient also wants to know why he is dying, why this thing happened to him. So I started to go and see directly inside the pathological tissues to see if there was any strange body, if there was something else. Now, who tells you that there could be cases caused by viruses, well, I'll tell you right away, I don't believe it. The virus may be there, but as a secondary effect, that is not the primary effect.

[00:16:54]And anyway, looking at all these pathological tissues, I got a very precise idea, that is, that there is dust inside, but the difference between now and the 1950s is that now there is very fine dust, very small, nanoparticles.

[00:17:19]Why do these make a difference?

[00:17:22]Why are these stinky, because eh for all particular mechanisms that nanotechnology should have discovered, eh these have a preferential entrance inside the cell and if they go inside the cell what happens? Well, all the defense systems are either outside the cell or on the surface of the cell membrane and it is these sensors that repel these foreign bodies, these things that we say the human body does not understand.

[00:18:13]What's the problem? It's just that when someone created nanoparticles, they didn't know anything. So there are no sensors for nanoparticles. They are there for molecules, for atoms, for ions. The membrane sensors understand that there is a non-self molecule that is not yours and therefore do not let it in, closed.

[00:18:42]For nanoparticles, there is a small problem because they somehow manage to enter through phagocytosis, that is, the cell membrane surrounds them, brings them inside, then when they are inside, well, what happens? Well, a lot of things can happen.

[00:19:11]They are certainly entities that the human body obviously does not recognize but, depending on certain physical and chemical phenomena, they can interact with the organelles of the cytoplasm, that is, all that part of the cell that is outside the nucleus. The cell is made up of a membrane, organelles and then a nucleus, and inside the nucleus is the DNA.

[00:19:45]But since these dusts are not recognized, these foreign bodies eh eh do not come, they cannot be, let's say, eh annihilated, mh they remain there. And so when the cell goes into mitosis, that is, when it has finished its cycle and divides to give rise to two cells, then the nuclear membrane disappears and what is called the mitotic spindle is formed. Hmm. And let's say that there the DNA divides and goes to the two poles of this spindle and then it recombines. let's call it that, the nuclear membrane is made again, two cells are formed that have, let's say, a genetic code, which is a relative. Hmm, it 's the same. The problem is that when the nuclear membrane disappears, the nanoparticles can interact chemically, physically with the DNA. And this mechanism, okay, in the last 5 years it should have been explained to us by the pharmaceutical companies that do all those wonderful things, okay? With nanoliposomes, with MMRNA, your grandmother, your sister. Hmm, it wasn't explained, but coincidentally, that information is missing because I know it. And I know this because I had a European nanotoxicology project back in 2006, because I had already seen in '99 with these soldiers that there had to be a particular, nanopathological mechanism and I had had a first European project, then I had another, then I had yet another.

[00:21:56]All of these were going to identify the behaviors of these nanoparticles, of these nanotechnologies inside the cell.

[00:22:13]And so we have seen, and so not only me, but many others, that actually at the nano level, there are behaviors that no longer fall within biochemistry, the one that everyone is studying, biochemistry, but we go to chemical and physical interactions.

[00:22:43]quantum physics. Mh, okay, it's, let's say, the zero point of physics, let's call it that, it's not correct, but it's the same.

[00:22:58]Well. And at that point these nano entities have currents, they give, excuse me, surface charges, they have a certain physicality and these interact with the organelles, with the molecules, with the proteins, with the DNA of the cell.

[00:23:29]And here is the fundamental point of why our scholars get nowhere, because they still work from a biological and not a physicochemical point of view.

[00:23:45]Cancer is primarily a physical-chemical problem.

[00:23:49]This is the, let's say, the point should be the starting point of all these scholars, but they are all doctors and biologists. They don't know physics and chemistry, they haven't studied it. They just work, they're just on genes, eh.

[00:24:12]you have an altered gene.

[00:24:14]But you don't know if you had that altered gene from birth. You measured it after you got cancer, okay? But is it a consequence or a trigger? in my opinion it could very well be a consequence, a gene that has changed because someone made it change.

[00:24:40]These scientists, uh, they only look at one part of the cancer problem with blinders on. That's the point. So they don't go to see if there are other causes, but the causes are physical-chemical.

[00:25:02]So, when I saw in a child, okay, dead at the age of 6, after at least four or five brain operations for brain cancer and this one was in Taranto and inside the brain I saw iron, particles of iron, chromium, steel.

[00:25:28]So, it's clear that you put together two aspects that must match and they are the ones that lead you to explanations.

[00:25:42]The problem is that the biologist, the doctor, doesn't look at these, but he already gives the medicine.

[00:25:58]Now, eh tell me.

[00:26:01]No, but doctor, I mean, it's legitimate to think that if someone really wanted to do research on cancer and find a solution, they should acknowledge their own limitations and therefore ask for help, say sorry, right?

[00:26:17]Money and they give him money, that's fine, sorry, eh, I'm very direct.

[00:26:22]No, no, you did well. In fact, it's just that it makes me think that this thing is diabolical because you're playing with people's lives, that is, you don't matter at all, but this is what they have to listen to the concept that the patient hasn't yet understood. They have to cure, but that doesn't mean they have to heal.

[00:26:45]They're two completely different things, you know?

[00:26:50]Well, treating means using drugs that then give you benefits.

[00:26:57]Many times when I was abroad I met doctors who had gone to the big conference where you paid a little money and paid for by the pharmaceutical company and maybe they went on a cruise, a vaza, in the meantime while they were there. So this is, let 's say, prizes, it's not the right word, but the incentives that are given are very interesting and so you look at those, there's this aspect that is rather, uh, emblematic.

[00:27:36]So, you think that in the 30s or 40s, I think, the Cancer Scientific Society was a society that was worthless, it wasn't worth anything, so also because there were few cases, it was n't of interest. So it's a scientific society that, yes, let's say, is marginal, and at a certain point because it was so marginal, they handed it over to a scientist, a woman, which at the time was really, I won't say a scandal, but nobody was interested. He took this one and then started to do another policy. Meanwhile, with the war, cancer cases have increased, for example, in a certain population, and so she turned to the drug companies, saying "But why don't we create protocols to see if we can cure them?". So it was this combination with the pharmaceutical companies that gave a big boost to this scientific society and now it is worth millions, obviously, also because they, eh, with the congresses of this scientific society, validated some protocols of certain medicines and so the thing took off.

[00:29:09]Well, so you also understand that the basis of cancer is business, but the problem that the patient faces is you who don't know, that is, you, you doctor, scientific society, you who don't know why cancer occurs, who are the people who stimulate cancer in you?

[00:29:38]How do you give me medicine that cures him? But that doesn't mean it will cure him, we've already said this dualism, okay? And one should ask oneself why, how can you cure a person if you don't know exology, if you don't know why all this happened?

[00:30:05]And so we come back to our latest phenomenon of turbocancer, what we call turbocancer. Good, because now cancer also affects patients under 50 and because it evolves so rapidly.

[00:30:31]The scientist should verify this thing here and if we make a parallel with certain injections it is clear that we understand a mechanism, we presume a possible mechanism of interaction within our body, that is, if I breathe in some dust, the asbestos from before, and that takes a little while to reach the inside of the lungs, to let's say in some way to flow away inside the lung to reach suitable concentrations for which some particle manages to enter a cell. It takes time to do this, but even if I eat something it can take time.

[00:31:43]If, on the other hand, I inject something, it is clear that it already goes into the blood and therefore there is the possibility of widespread and very rapid dissemination. This is the key point. So, if I then study some powders, er, particular ones, lipid nanoparticles, it is clear that these have a much higher biocompatibility with the cell than what can be, eh, asbestos, than what can be steel, which are all inorganic, non- organic particles, then now the interaction with the cell, but above all with the inside of the cell, is more immediate and therefore the possibility, the probability of having, eh, damage to the DNA is much more important, faster and more important. So it is these two factors that make the difference from my point of view.

[00:33:02]The thing that is really striking is that pharmaceutical companies always find a business and therefore even in the case of inorganic nanoparticles they could find solutions, there are some to clean the body from these dusts. So they could also do business there, but probably now there is a business that is much more established even with governments, because who gives them all these medicines?

[00:33:44]The State passes by and sometimes they are cars that cost up to €3000 each, so you too understand that it is a highway that has already been undertaken, which is difficult to abandon. Do you understand? You also understand that there is this problem.

[00:34:07]But Antonietta, I don't know if the question I'm asking you now hadn't been discussed before the live broadcast, so you can just tell me, no, look, leave it alone. Eh, but can you tell us something about chemotherapy?

[00:34:22]Well, I'm not a pharmacologist, but I have, let's say, an opinion. Hmm.

[00:34:31]Can we still express an opinion? Yes, maybe.

[00:34:35]So, if in that brain of that child, you find steel, iron, chromium, nickel that does n't dissolve, it stays there, the cell remains, it tries to react, it dies, after which, eh, eh, if there's another one, yes, it's precisely these powders and obviously there's a wrong interaction, let's call it that, with the DNA.

[00:35:06]Well, I'm given chemotherapy, which works on what?

[00:35:14]on steel, but not at all, it works on the cell which obviously in that context it depresses cell growth, so the cell actually does not proliferate because cancer is proliferation without rules of the cell, but the steel that was there remains.

[00:35:44]and it goes on to interact with other new cells, not only that, but if I continue to live in the place where I take this steel, it is clear that it continues to exert a negative action.

[00:36:01]So, from my point of view, mh chemotherapy is not hitting the right target.

[00:36:12]Here, let's just say this.

[00:36:16]So, so it is possible and it is true that people who do 6 7 10 cycles of chemotherapy then continue to have cancer, that is, the cancer continues to proliferate.

[00:36:32]So mine is a logical, compatible explanation, but it does n't count for anything, let's say, it's not followed, it's not clear, clear, clear. So it makes me think in the end Antonietta, I mean I was thinking while you were talking that, well, think because, you see, I've been talking about all these things for 30 years now, let's do one thing, but the doctor doesn't want to hear these things, so I'm happy that there's a person, let's say, normal who tries to challenge this logic and that I just explained, so I'm happy that you're asking.

[00:37:25]No, well, it's a question I've often asked myself about cancer because I say we're trying to get to the moon, even though we're trying to get to the moon and it's possible that for decades we haven't gotten anywhere. So I've always asked myself a few questions, also because I've already seen people near and dear to me leave because of this thing. And yet I ask myself, in the end, what we can do on a daily basis, beyond the drugs, beyond the chemotherapy, beyond all this, I'm thinking that perhaps it's prevention, that is, to the extent possible, because then we breathe air that those planes pass by and cause a disaster, we drink water which is a disaster, then in Vicenza we don't talk about it, eh, we eat food, which is a disaster, but we can do a minimum of prevention and let's not even talk about eggs and turkeys. Here, yes, gu which is a hot topic right now what with the war, poor thing, and your husband and also you soon that maybe we can do something together, you are really doing everything, so already a huge thank you for that thing there, but in the end I think it's prevention. In fact, by the way, Antonietta, I don't know if you know this, but Ivo Bianchi wrote a beautiful book called I Want to Prevent Cancer, and it's a beautiful book in there, 200 or almost 300 pages, and there's a ton of advice in there for learning to live a healthy life, being careful, avoiding certain foods, certain physical activities, etc. But, I mean, it makes me think that the least we can do is that.

[00:38:58]First of all, of course, then there's the genre.

[00:39:02]Well, well, well, when I started working on these aspects, uh, I didn't eat anything anymore. Um I was very limited. Well, so, the carrot, the potato that I can peel from certain pollutions, that's fine for me, but I used to pull the peach off the outside because it was full of everything that fell from the sky. Hmm. And I have n't eaten mortadella in ages because there's steel in it. in some, not in all, let's not generalise, but in some there is some of the steel that comes from some, um, industrial treatments.

[00:39:51]Well, but unfortunately in some cases there is also some grain, we have already talked about it in other situations.

[00:40:00]a bread I had taken from Tierra del Fuego. Tierra del Fuego is the southernmost tip of South America. There's nothing there because the climate is obviously unfavorable, so the bread you buy there is made with flour from North America milled using certain technologies.

[00:40:27]So in there, for example, I found tusten carbide powder, so I'll also tell you my name, surname, and address. Well, that's not good. So I agree with Ivo Bianchi, I'll read his book, that prevention can be done, but sometimes it's impossible if you don't go and measure it right, it's impossible because, uh, let's say that the industry has to sell, but preventing your disease doesn't give a damn, it doesn't care, you understand?

[00:41:02]Here, so it's quite complicated, but we all know, many have switched to being vegetarian and I agree with them because there it is possible to better control certain pollution.

[00:41:19]Unfortunately, unfortunately, these industrial foods, pushed, let's say, even with nanotechnology, well, they are dangerous. As I was saying, in 2000 I wasn't eating anything anymore. Then at that time I always went to Brussels to the European Commission because I was involved in some commissions and so when I returned to the airport in Brussels I always had to buy some chocolates. Well, anyone who has been to the airport in Brussels will see that there are at least 20-30 chocolate shops and there they don't give you the box of chocolates, they give you the little boxes where all the chocolates are piled up and so I started measuring, to see what was inside that chocolate and I found one that was clean, very clean. I say, if there is still chocolate that is clean, it is worth living, so I repeat, yes, one can protect oneself in many ways, but, um, how can I know, for example, if certain vegetables have not grown under the fumes, the effluvia of an incinerator?

[00:42:50]And it's not written there where we say the place where they were grown and sometimes it says eh Sicily which comes from Sicily, but I remember and we've said it several times, maybe even here, that in I do n't remember if 93, anyway eh eh at a certain point Etna eh explodes and there are some eh situations of significant emissions, so much so that the Catania airport is closed for 3 days, because if that dust gets into the engines it's clear that these engines eh go haywire. Eh, eh, they stop, they stop.

[00:43:43]Please.

[00:43:44]No, they get damaged, they stop.

[00:43:46]Oh yes, they don't get damaged, they just fall to the ground.

[00:43:51]Here, here, so, eh I don't know, I'm going to tell you something that maybe you don't remember, it's stuff from eh 91, no, 93, when the uh the towers, the twin towers, fell. Mh eh shortly after, 23 months later, a plane that had taken off from La Guardia airport mh ran into, um, some large dust clouds, they were pigeons, some birds, they came in and both engines went haywire, they started burning and then it landed with, uh, the plane with, I think, 195, 5 people on board in the atson, in the nela, let's say, in the river that's there in New York a few minutes from La Guardia airport. Yes, they made us first amarato. Landed on land, it's not said landed on land, but canalized, I don't know how to say it. And if you remember right away there were the ferries that are always there, they went to save them, they saved them all, no one died.

[00:45:10]But there's an example there of if something goes wrong, dust, birds in the engine and the engine goes into overdrive, it burns, you know? So, if we have to in some way, well, no, I'm saying being careful is not the right thing to do. I digressed from the eh from the main thing which was the powders inside the food. Hmm. And once I told you, well, I didn't eat cabbage soup made at home by myself because there was dust in it and that cabbage came from Etna, which was erupting and there they were growing, they've always grown oranges under the Enna cabbages. So, while you peel the orange you don't care about the dust on it, the cabbage, even if you wash it, that stuff doesn't come off.

[00:46:12]So even in that case I noticed it because now, let's say, I have a sensitivity, I have very active sensors, but in that case a lot of people ate the basalt of the Enna eruption on the damn of the situation. Well, a terrible situation, if you please. I think our daily situation is a bit like with politics. In the end you have to choose at least worse. It's not that we have exactly these. So this is something I'm sorry to send out today that isn't exactly a positive signal, but let's say this too.

[00:46:53]While the ash from Etna is a ceramic material that all in all, let's not say that it is not so harmful to the human body, unless they are nanoparticles.

[00:47:07]And what has a much greater impact are metal dusts or mixed dusts, those from certain incinerators. So when in the Land of Fires mothers with children who had children who died of cancer went to the President of the Republic to say, look, in the Land of Fires people die of cancer. for some fires, because there are fires there too, eh, outside the incinerators, but there are some important incinerators there. Those dusts there make a mess, that is, they cause tumors.

[00:47:51]And the President of the Republic said again, "Ah, yes, good to know, closed." All right.

[00:47:59]If our politicians had this information, were aware of this information and actually, let's say, protected the health of citizens, then perhaps things would change.

[00:48:21]But we have also seen now with our turkeys, our eggs, it is precisely our rulers who listen to the sentence and do not understand it. The strongest sentence that remained in my memory when Guerra went to talk to Bond from the Veneto Region was that he from the Veneto Region who is within the administration etc. replied to him Dr. Guerra I know what you are telling me is serious because Leonardo insisted but he said "Look, you have grandchildren too, I mean, how do you go to sleep at night?" He says, "I understand, I know what you're saying, but I can't do anything." So look, and if the ruler can't do anything, who can the citizen do it?

[00:49:11]Come on, look, look, it's a really indecent situation, is n't it? This is a shift of responsibility away from your political role.

[00:49:23]But how, but how, how do you do it? I don't vote for you anymore, I don't vote for you. Well, aside from the fact that lately government officials are being voted in, so this, well, but that's why, that's why there's this thing, I can't do anything because it's clear that power is going elsewhere in this situation and it's clear that whoever is there to administer a state doesn't want the good of the people, because if that were the case, things would be different, but it's impossible for things to go from one side to the other and there's something that's not working.

[00:49:54]So, but what about Tell me, tell me.

[00:49:57]No, no, I was saying that right now we have a mortality rate that is very high compared to cancer, breast, lung, intestinal, stomach and however, I mean, given the impossibility of containing these dusts. These powders go to them too, eh.

[00:50:24]I mean, it's not that these people choose the class A politician, the No, these people are very democratic, they attack everyone, prostate cancer.

[00:50:40]Some little man can catch it, eh? He has a non-zero chance of getting it too, you know? M and so this should make you think.

[00:50:56]What do you say if we move on to the questions that have been written a bit, asked you a few things, a few comments. Do you want us to move on to the questions, Antonietta?

[00:51:03]the questions that allow us to see if we have said everything we needed to say or if we have forgotten something.

[00:51:11]Ok, then let's proceed.

[00:51:16]So, many of these are comments rather than questions. Let's try to spend a moment with some questions, then we'll move on.

[00:51:22]But we traumatized them with the comments. You can tell if we have traumatized them or not. So, in my opinion I see little interaction and a lot of connections, so in my opinion the attention is very high and therefore maybe there is a bit of trauma, I don't know.

[00:51:39]Okay, the point is that you also understand that, as we were saying, not being able to focus on the exposure, not being able to prevent one or two exposures, obviously not being able to prevent these, it's clear that we are all at the mercy of fate, let's call it that.

[00:52:03]Look, I mean, I'll just say one thing that really struck me, Antone.

[00:52:09]I have nutritional, intestinal, etc. problems, and over time, together with the nutritionist, I realized that I cannot eat sugar. If I eat it, I have to eat very little of it, almost all forms of sugar.

[00:52:23]Honey is perhaps the least Sorry and the least Okay. And I always experienced it as a trauma. Recently a nutritionist told me, "Look, you're really doing well, you should consider yourself lucky because your body is protecting you from possible cancer because you don't acidify the terrain in your organs," you understand? And I had never thought about it from this point of view.

[00:52:48]This is true, we know now because all those molecular biologists who know that cancer feeds on sugar, it needs sugar because it then creates an acidified environment, so actually eat little sugar. I eliminated white sugar many years ago. a little brown sugar and honey. Here, I do this thing here, so hopefully I can manage like that guy said.

[00:53:28]Yes, exactly. I thought that too, but I said well, I've never actually thought about that. All in all it's also a stroke of luck, so it's okay. So, let's ask the questions first. Well, Luisa rightly asks what the doctor thinks about mammography?

[00:53:43]Well, let's say I did it up until a certain point because I thought it was important and to prevent, that is, to catch, not excuse me, prevention is not the right word because that catches cancer that is already in place. Well, so that's not prevention, that's secondary prevention, possibly it's not primary prevention, which is a whole other thing.

[00:54:12]but the crushing to which the breast is subjected, if there is some, let's say some seed, well, that spreads throughout the tissue, so at this moment I do n't believe in this technique as a secondary prevention methodology. it is not primary. Let's look, here, this is a concept that we have not expressed.

[00:54:48]So, primary prevention is avoiding all those procedures that give you cancer.

[00:54:59]A mammogram checks whether cancer is there or not, and maybe with those damn compressions it might make you get it, or it might make you explode, which is another thing entirely. So, there are n't that many primary prevention techniques around. Well, the cases of breast cancer that I have evaluated, um, tell me that in all of them, in all of them, um, there are some powders, especially metallic ones.

[00:55:40]Just think, in one case I even found a particle of a chemical element that I have never seen and never will see again, I believe. Eh, it's called Europium.

[00:55:57]All of these are used, they are called rare earths. They are used in all new microchips. You know there are wars for rare earths to get possession of this Well, I found that inside the breast field. The problem is that very often, those who bring me this are relatives of someone who has already passed away, and so you can't ask what job you did because Europo isn't found in all the bars, in all the things, right? Well, so from the exposure, that is from the dust that I see, I understand the exposure, after which it would be a good idea to ban certain exposures because there is a risk, it's not that there is no safety, but there is a non-zero probability that you could get something, because there we need to understand the mechanism of this where it goes And what if it enters the cell? It is only when it enters the cell that DNA damage can be triggered and cancer can start.

[00:57:19]Look, look, what a nice comment, even if you might be repeating yourself, but it makes me feel really sympathetic. Look here.

[00:57:28]So, someone Anna Russo says: "Dr. Agati, my mother is one year old here next to me" asks: "Why, despite the research, all cancer patients die?"

[00:57:40]Well, madam, we talked about it just now, it's just that a medicine was given, let's call it medicine, without having understood what the mechanism of cancer is, right? the mechanism maybe they cap they are they did not go to see who caused this. This is the fundamental point, that is, they give the medicine without knowing what causes that pathology.

[00:58:14]So, regarding cancer in general, I've only identified one or two causes. One cause can certainly be tobacco smoke.

[00:58:30]I say, look, yes, nicotine has something to do with it, but up to a certain point it has something to do with all the pollution in the environment where the tobacco leaf was born, because the tobacco leaf is very large and it develops underneath in a polluted environment and these dusts above. Then the leaf is dried.

[00:59:08]It just gets dried, then it shrinks. So all the dust that is on top thickens, becomes concentrated and I smoke it and those dusts are also set alight when the cigarette is lit and therefore they are more harmful than the others. But in the case of liver cancer, where is the trigger? Why did he cause it?

[00:59:40]Thyroid cancer, eh brain cancer where is it? I can tell you because I show you photographs of the pathological tissue, of what's inside, of these powders and I also give you the chemistry, the chemical composition of these powders. So you know why you got cancer, because you breathed these things in, ate them, injected them, whatever you like, and they went there, they concentrated there for some reason and there they caused the damage to the DNA that is responsible for this hyperproliferation of these cells that no longer remember that they have to die because the DNA has changed.

[01:00:27]Here they may ask you for blood tests with tumor markers.

[01:00:34]M the tumor marker is based on the chemistry of eh molecules.

[01:00:46]Molecules that when they are there it means that the cancer is active and so on, but they are the molecules. But you don't know who triggered this proliferation of these molecules. Yes, it tells you it's there, but But why is it there? No, that's the point, that's why. Who started that? And it's just by going to see inside the house. And we do all these tests every day, yeah, we've done them, we continue to do them for the soldiers who come to us asking why I got sick. I left healthy because I have the certificate, because if I'm not healthy they don't send me on a mission, then maybe after 6 months or even after years I find myself sick. So, going to look in there, you go to understand that there is dust that here in urban pollution is not there, it is not there. Here, perhaps, there is pollution from the incinerator, the company, the industry, and so on, but there is war pollution that, in terms of chemical composition, is completely different from what is here. However, let's say that the common factor between these two classes of patients is what?

[01:02:12]is that there are very fine dusts, nanoparticles that go inside, non-biocompatible dusts, dusts that are not, um, reabsorbable, degradable and that are small dusts that are able to interact with DNA. So from my point of view, from a bioengineering point of view, this is the explanation for cancer, but I can see it, I can see it under an electron microscope.

[01:02:46]So, let's see. More questions have arrived.

[01:02:50]Oh well, this one has already been answered many times, but I'll pass it on anyway.

[01:02:56]So, good morning doctor, is there a way to cleanse the body of these nanoparticles?

[01:03:03]So, right now we're doing blood tests and we'll tell you what dust there is, if there are any dusts, we'll tell you the chemistry of these and we'll say look, there are a lot of metals here, metals that have surface charges, they're electrical and thermal conductors, in short, so it would be better to remove these. So we say yes, there could be inexpensive techniques, like bloodletting, we've told you several times, or there could be blood nanofiltration techniques that are expensive, right now they're only done, as far as I know, in Switzerland, and they're obviously expensive because there's a whole industry.

[01:03:58]It's obvious that all of this could be improved in some way, let's say, by introducing this service into public healthcare, but it's clear that it's not interesting.

[01:04:16]So, here, uh, there are a couple of comments that are a bit pointless, so I guess you should clarify a little bit or respond. Yes, but dust is not the only cause, because eating if not tolerated is also the cause. Then continue no high, high, stop everything. Repeat the thing and the duce yes, but the dust is not the only cause. So what's the other cause? Because it says, for example, eating if not tolerated, sorry, eating, eating, eating with powders and they can be inside, it has nothing to do with it. Eating is something macroscopic. And then I'm something that perhaps means food intolerances that cause food tolerance is a completely different thing that a food intolerance can cause cancer, I do n't know that.

[01:05:07]Well, but if the person shows me colon cancer, fine, for example, and I see that there are no particles, I tell her yes, it could be that she's right. But if the intolerance is given, it is given and here we have not talked about it from the coupling of powders with the proteins that make the Inocs, they are called, I call them that, which are eh type pri mh just to make you eh think of something, that is, they are organic entities, okay, which have joined in an essential way with nanoparticles and all these proteins that were self are now no longer self because in the coupling they have modified their eh three- and four-dimensional structure exposing to the environment internal parts of this protein that had never been exposed to the immune system. So the immune system reacts against this stuff here. So the lady gave me the opportunity to expand on the discussion, but eating can always be an effect of these nanobiointeractions of nanoparticles with something like selfins, enzymes, that is, however, when they join together, I repeat, they somehow change their conformation and the immune system reacts to these complexes, let's say.

[01:07:16]In fact he wrote, he put his finger up saying yes, it actually makes sense. Hey, listen Antonietta, let's see if there are any other questions because there are more comments.

[01:07:29]This is a specific question, perhaps a little clarification is needed. He says: "But does medicine only cure the cancer or the person?"

[01:07:38]Oh, that 's a bit of a difficult question, actually. It cures cancer and it cures it, I mean I have people, my mother-in-law died of chemotherapy, she died, so it really cures it, I mean she died of the side effects of chemotherapy.

[01:07:59]So it's a question that's a bit like this. the person, let's say, the person's psyche is treated on its own, it's not in the hospital, but in another setting, let's say. Okay. Eh, enough. So, now it seems there are more comets.

[01:08:19]The important thing, I don't know how many people are connected today, is that they understood my explanation, which was supported by evidence, by photographs, so it's not an opinion, but in some way it has opened a window on how they see cancer. This is a point of view, as I was saying, not a biological one, but an engineering bioengineer, if you like, a technologist. I am a biomedical technologist, I don't know how to explain to you that I have changed my point of view, but this change in the point of view on cancer must be done because these scientists and cancer, those who work every single day on molecules and these here have achieved nothing, every day they come out with newspapers saying the Pinko Pallino protein was discovered, eh, this other one was discovered, now there is new hope, then there is no hope, nothing has been eradicated, in fact cancers have increased. It was a short time ago, um 20 days ago, that in Vicenza, Vicenza a team of cardiologists and cardiac surgeons operated on a patient with four heart tumors, four different ones.

[01:10:11]This has never been seen before. So here we are going to another area, another zone, that is, you can't cure one, you find yourself with four at the same time. Why? So, I wanted to ask these doctors if they would give me a little piece of one of the tumors or four little pieces of one of the tumors and I would show you what was inside. Why are there four? Because it's a rare case indeed, but four different powders that were in the blood reached the heart, there they concentrated, there they localized in four different points and independently they gave rise to four different tumors, four different growths because at least one entered inside certain cells and there they proliferated AT in the wrong way. I had seen a soldier with three different tumors in succession, however, and at this moment another case of four tumors, however, which appeared at different times. There, however, we have a unique time, so the situation will worsen from my point of view because environmental pollution is increasing, food pollution is increasing, so it is difficult to defend ourselves, not impossible, but difficult.

[01:11:49]Oh yes, I would also add that the effects of what we inflicted on our bodies a few years ago are now showing themselves, I understand.

[01:11:58]Eh, it's possible, yes.

[01:12:00]Well, yes, some questions have arrived. I'm having a bit of a hard time getting through them all, guys, because you have questions, lots of comments, even interesting comments, so sure, a moment to summarize and unfortunately today's topic is on the one hand innovative, on the other hand quite old, okay? and therefore obviously raises different, desperate questions. M In fact, a question came up here that I had never heard before. Well, are these particles harmful to the human body based on quality or quantity as well?

[01:12:40]So, so this is a good question because the person thought about it.

[01:12:45]From my point of view, one of the first problems is the size, because if they are large particles they stop in areas closer to the entrance. Hmm. And macroparticles can usually exhibit other reactivities. Here, eh granulomas, mh microparticles give granulomas, they are the nano ones, those below the micro ones, which instead manage to enter and interact with the DNA.

[01:13:21]It's clear that a particle doesn't cause cancer, obviously.

[01:13:27]Um, let's say the sum of these concentrations can obviously cause you problems, also because there are so many of them, maybe only one or two manage to enter the cell, but they manage to interact there. it's a matter of probability, not that. And as I said before, ceramic particles are less harmful than metal ones.

[01:13:57]The metallic ones are heavy metals, you call them heavy metals and they are, let's say, more impactful, so let's put it that way. I would leave aside the plastics for a moment because they are micro microplastics and they have less impact from another point of view, but less impactful.

[01:14:20]Here comes a testimony, Antonietta, and she says: "I have multiple myeloma, after 17 years I have decided to no longer take any of the therapies they continued to propose to me. I decided 4 years ago to stop taking anything and I'm very well. I'm not saying anything.

[01:14:42]Of course I have multiple myeloma, but he should know where, that is, he should tell us where he was, what job he did, that is, he should give us another problem. It's possible, it's possible that he's very well because he avoided certain exposures, certain foods. It's possible that he himself understood that there was something that was hurting him. It's possible, but with the biopsies from the beginning that were probably done, which are in the hospital archives, if he requests them because they're his stuff, not the hospital's, the hospital is just a custodian. If he requests them, it's clear that tests can be done there even after 20 years and that's where we'll find the explanation of why he had them. I'm absolutely sure that there were some powders in that medium.

[01:15:46]I have a Dear friend, he has a brain tumor. He should have died two years ago, after we gave him six months of chemotherapy. He refused to do the chemotherapy.

[01:15:58]Two years have passed since then, poor thing. Well, two years have passed, but no matter what, without chemotherapy, but also with attention, as Antonietta said, as you just said, very active in his diet, in everything he takes, the treatments, etc., etc., and also with a positive attitude. Well, very, very much, I'll add this: there must be the will to live. And but many years ago at the Caronisca Institute in Stockholm, there was a head physician who said that only those who have the will to live survive, because it is that internal force that then allows the cells to react and somehow staunch the cancer. I didn't believe this, but lately I'm starting to change my mind and actually think that chemotherapy kills all your cells, even the healthy ones. That's how it is, there's no other way. And so, um, and so.

[01:17:15]Killing even the healthy ones, in my opinion, um, it greatly limits your recovery.

[01:17:21]That certainly does. So if you're not feeling well from the chemotherapy, but you're confident that you can manage it by following a controlled diet and avoiding exposure, I believe right now that we can get over it. Well, it's my condition as a bioengineer, as I understand.

[01:17:44]So, it's starting to get difficult to choose which comments to pass on. It's really starting to get difficult, eh, because there are so many, so it means we've somehow missed a gap.

[01:17:56]Exactly, they've woken up, in a good sense, eh, guys, I'm not calling myself sleepy, in the sense that the wheels are starting to turn because first Antonioni, eh, I'm having a bit of a hard time because I saved several comments. Eh, anyway, let's try to go, don't call me back in 10 minutes, I'm live.

[01:18:15]So, eh, okay, let's do this quickly, since he's asking you something like that, maybe it can be useful for others. For example, he says: "I had prostate surgery 4 years ago. If I had known before, could I have asked for some of the tumor tissue that welcomed me?

[01:18:37]So, I repeat, I repeat, this is very important.

[01:18:42]During the operation, during a biopsy, the hospital takes a sample because it has to understand what is in that tissue, if it is tissue, if it is cancer. Then with their biochemical tests they go to see what the prognosis is. So there is a paraffin block that is inside the hospital and must remain there for more than 20 years.

[01:19:10]So, I have samples from 60 years ago that they found, but actually, so you can still see it.

[01:19:19]Sure, but these, let's say, are new techniques that we have developed with European projects that we do with the soldiers every day and we go and look there.

[01:19:36]So there you just need to find the sheet from the histopathology department, that is, from the histopathology department that wrote the report, um, where it says yes, there is cancer or not, there is, it is not a tumor. evil, where those things are, there's a date and a number. If someone goes to that hospital to request that date, that sample with that date and that number, they'll give it to them right away. They have to give it to them because they're just custodians.

[01:20:10]Then we send it back to them after cutting two 10- micron slices. And there's still some truth there. I worked for a Public Prosecutor's Office on a body exhumed after, I think, 10 years, 15 years after death, and I found this stuff there because this stuff doesn't degrade with death.

[01:20:36]Steel dust remains there, uranium dust, and other things are still there, are they still understood?

[01:20:43]Well, and this is good news for the user, I mean. Sure, sure.

[01:20:48]So you can go if you want, come to us, write to info@nanodiagnostics.

[01:20:56]Unknown, sorry, I'm live at nanodiagnostics.it, but in any case you can also find it on the nanodiagnostics website.

[01:21:05]Exactly.

[01:21:07]So, in that case, do everything he told you.

[01:21:09]Antonietta advised you, get your report sent, etc., and then contact non-diagnostics, go to them. So this is... Don't worry, we'll do it and tell you why you got sick. Unfortunately, I have to finish the broadcast because otherwise we'll continue because other people... So, look, yes, there are a lot of questions here, so guys, either we continue with another live broadcast on the topic, or since this topic is popular, we can continue it tomorrow, the 2nd: maybe not, but whenever you want and hold on there and I promise I'll answer and the deadlines will be short because if we let 15 days go by we'll no longer remember, but we can... We can do another live broadcast, if they like it because it's such an important topic, too important.

[01:22:07]We'll talk maybe to manage to do it this week and I don't organize it because I'm there.

[01:22:13]So, not Friday, not Friday, so either tomorrow, Wednesday, or Thursday whenever you want. Look, I can't save comments, guys, so stay alert for a moment on the two channels, the point of a meeting with cats, you subscribe and you'll see the la appear. Let's go live and try to continue. So bring your questions, there are so many, but we can't. The doctor obviously has a "Don't worry, don't worry." Unfortunately, I have to go because I have other people waiting for me. Okay.

[01:22:40]So, thanks for everything, guys, and I'll see you next time. Thanks again. Bye, Antonietta, for everything. Bye. Okay.