Why Sweden Never Should Have Joined NATO — "The Alliance Is Disintegrating" | Col. Douglas Macgregor

[00:00:00]Okay, I'll do my best. It's it's very new. Uh we had our first meeting uh on the 4th of October last year just to try and set things in motion and we put together a platform and there is a a website. It's called the nationalization.org org and if you go to it, you can read what the platform says. But our I think what we have are millions of people today who are fundamentally anti-war opposed to the stupidity of what we're doing in the Gulf and what we've been doing in support of the criminal Ukrainian government uh in its war with Russia.

[00:00:39]And we got together and said we've got to find a new way forward because too many of the wrong people seem to own both parties.

[00:00:47]You know, people complain about the so-called Israel lobby. Well, the Israel lobby in itself is is one entity, but there are billionaires with inexhaustible quantities of money behind the Israel lobby. And they own both the House and the Senate as well as the presidency. They they control everything thanks to the enormous quantities of money that they can pour into political action committees to elect or defeat people. as we've just seen recently in Kentucky.

[00:01:17]So, he said, "We've got to we've got to found a new party with a new movement that is divorced from the status quo." I think what we're witnessing now in the United States is the end of the first republic.

[00:01:32]We need a new republic. The the old republic doesn't work. Now, Europeans will will hear that and say, "Well, that's that's reasonable because most of you have gone through more than one, two, three republics. Look at the French.

[00:01:46]>> Everybody's waiting for the fifth republic to go under." In the United States, we've been very complacent and we've lived with this old document and its way of doing business now for 250 years. Well, it's over. You know, we need a new way forward.

[00:02:02]>> Yeah.

[00:02:02]>> And that's what this is really about.

[00:02:04]And it's a nationalist organization.

[00:02:07]It is unapologetic about being interested first and foremost in what is good for the United States, good for its people. And also we want we want to be a a great power, but we're not interested in meddling in the affairs of others. We want to treat everyone as a I guess in legal terms as a potential limited liability partner. In other words, we want to get out of all of these fixed alliances that condemn us or compel us to fight other people when we may have no interest in doing so.

[00:02:40]>> Instead of that, you know, why why should we not live in a world where we have reasons to cooperate with the Chinese in one area but maybe not in another? Uh, and there's nothing wrong with that. And it doesn't mean you have to go to war. What it means is that you can cooperate in a number of areas with everybody. So anyhow, this is this is the basic philosophy and we want to recognize that there is such a thing as an American. We want to we want to define that for people. We want people to acknowledge what it is so that we can identify ourselves because we've been going around for the last sort of 40 50 years asking the question, well what's an American? And somebody says, well, an American can be anything. And pretty soon you discover well if an American can be anything then an American is probably nothing at all.

[00:03:28]>> Yeah.

[00:03:29]>> We we have we we want to go through this process and we think the time is approaching when it's going to be necessary and when we think it'll work.

[00:03:37]>> Yeah. In Europe nationalism is uh going forward also uh not at least because a lot of the member states in the European Union don't identify it as a European.

[00:03:51]We have uh we've had a a conference that we're trying to also create a movement called the Northern Light Convention just recently in May had one in South Sweden and one in Stockholm [snorts] with participants from Austria with uh we had from Germany, we had from Britain, Bulgaria, uh Denmark of course, Scandinavian countries, [snorts] Denmark and Sweden and it was a success. Uh so we're staying with that platform for just to unify the nationalist democratic movements around European countries to join. We hope we will in the future can get most of the European Union member states to send at least one delegate and [snorts] we'll host it in either Denmark, Norway or Stockholm repeatedly, hence the name Northern Light Convention. But that's about that. I want to ask you about this. you know, you're familiar, very familiar with uh Sweden and and the Baltic Sea.

[00:05:02]Gotland is an island outside Sweden, quite far out from from our mainland, and it's about 300 kilometers from the enclave of Kiningrod, which is 200 miles. And uh NATO wants to establish that as a main uh military base with lots of lots of troops. On God there's a population of 60,000. It's smaller than Rhode Island, about 3,000 square kilometers, whereas Rhode Island is 4,000 and there's 60,000 residents living on Gautland. Whereas [snorts] in Rhode Island, for example, the smallest state in the US, there's 1 million.

[00:05:48]But so they want to basically make it into a springboard >> for aggression eastward. That's the nonspoken purpose, but you know, I have some information about that. [snorts] What do you think of that? Is that a wise idea?

[00:06:08]>> Well, you know, my view is if I were in Sweden's position, first of all, I would never have joined NATO.

[00:06:14]>> Yeah.

[00:06:15]>> The North Atlantic Treaty Organization is ultimately on its last legs. It's going to lose any real relevance or meaning in the near future.

[00:06:24]Second thing is a lot of people don't understand Khalinat. Uh I'm sure many of you in Sweden understand that Kunik [clears throat] >> which is the Germanspeaking city around which East Prussia was built. Uh if you go back to the Tutonic Knights was a Germanspeaking area for a thousand years.

[00:06:45]Tragically, towards the end of the Second World War, when FDR was dying, he would periodically receive phone calls that came from the Kremlin and from Stalin as Soviet armies were advancing.

[00:06:58]And he received a request came in the form of a telegram and this was in April. No, I guess this would have been February or March. uh we are poised to overrun East Prussia and we were just wondering when the war ends if we can't have East Prussia permanently and FDR who was very much in the Soviet camp and was dying at the time said well of course tell Marshall Stalin he can have this.

[00:07:25]>> Mhm.

[00:07:25]>> Well, we know the rest of the story. We created this enclave and it was a it was a coup to some extent for the Russians or the Soviets at the time because this put them in very close proximity to Europe which they regarded at that point as an enemy.

[00:07:42]Uh then subsequently when Germany reunited Chancellor Cole who presided over that uh was actually offered East Prussia.

[00:07:53]>> Mhm.

[00:07:54]>> And he discussed it. You have to understand divisions inside Germany.

[00:07:59]Chancellor Cole was a Roman Catholic from the Rhineland who didn't particularly care for Prussian Protestants at any rate. And he had already paid out huge quantities of money to the Soviets to buy back what we call East Germany, which in reality was always Middle Germany, never East Germany. East Germany doesn't exist.

[00:08:21]That lies under Polish or Russian administration now. and he decided, you know what, it's too expensive and we'll have the same problem we had in the past and if we go back in there, then we're sitting in the midst of all the poles.

[00:08:36]And nobody bothered to suggest at the time, well, uh, Poland, the Kingdom of Poland at one point had East Prussia as one of its tributary states. Of course, in those days, people treated each other a little bit better. So just because they were a tributary state of the king of Poland didn't mean they all had to go out learn Polish and stop being Germans even though all the pole all the Prussians out in east and in east in what was then East Germany and the aristocracy they all spoke Polish anyway. It was a necessity. Now why do I bring this up? I'm bringing it up because what we've done to the Russians now is we've said yes you made a smart move. We hate you and we want to make war on you.

[00:09:22]So it's in your interest now to put nuclear weapons into Khalen Grat.

[00:09:29]What a catastrophe.

[00:09:31]>> It makes no sense at all.

[00:09:33]>> Now we can't, at least not in my lifetime, I suspect reverse whatever happened 80 years ago at the end of World War II. And I I I suspect in the future, depending upon what happens, nobody will be terribly interested in that anyway. I don't know of any Germans that want to want to refight the end of the Second World War.

[00:09:51]>> No.

[00:09:52]>> So I I think I think the the the Swedish answer was always the right one.

[00:09:58]Neutrality. Don't become part of the problem. NATO is now gradually disintegrating.

[00:10:06]It you know people we have this expression in English. I I forgot maybe it was TS Elliott. I can't remember the the famous poet or somebody who said it.

[00:10:16]Will it end with a whimper or a bang? In other words, will NATO just sort of quietly go away or will there be a big explosion? I have always felt strongly that it will simply vanish.

[00:10:28]>> You know, it's not going to blow up into a major war. But it does seem like a lot of stupid people uh in Western Europe and I'm talking about the globalists.

[00:10:38]These are the people like Mattz and Mcronone and so forth uh say and do stupid things that convey the impression that Europe wants a war once again on its continent. I don't believe that.

[00:10:50]>> I don't Germans want a war. I don't think the polls do. I don't think anybody in their right mind wants a war.

[00:10:56]So under the circumstances, I think two things ought to happen. [clears throat] You never had a debate in your parliament about the wisdom of joining NATO, >> right?

[00:11:05]>> You need to have that debate.

[00:11:08]And I I mean this in all sincerity, and you need to reexamine whatever benefits, strategic or monetary, you may have gotten as a result of joining NATO, but you really need to go back and reexamine that because the future is going to be a non-NATO future. So, I would argue that your Northern Lights conference is the right way to go and it's time for Europeans to to uh seriously reconsider what they're doing. Let me just There was a an article in the built German paper.

[00:11:42]>> Okay.

[00:11:42]>> And found it interesting because its title was the US is massively reducing its military participation in NATO. Gee gosh, I'm surprised. Okay. Number one, they they claim at the built to have a secret list of forces that Washington plans to withdraw from the alliance. And then it goes through some numbers. It talks about the numbers of RC135 tankers. These are the refuelers that we utilize and how their number is being reduced and that new ones will be completely excluded from being stationed in Europe. Then they go further and they talk about the Pentagon is reducing the presence of F-16s from 99 to 63 and F-15 F-15E from 54 to 36.

[00:12:30]All long range reconnaissance drones will be withdrawn from NATO and the number of MQ9 attack drones will be almost have. And it says US is also removing one of its two carrier battle groups normally committed uh to Europe to the European theater along with uh cutting the numbers of cruisers and destroyers by almost half. Then it says one of the two bomber forces will be withdrawn from the alliance and the US it says has already verbally warned its allies of these plans at a closed meeting. Now uh I guess why I'm bringing this up is I think that's accurate.

[00:13:07]Yeah, >> we are contracting.

[00:13:10]We are no longer half or more of global gross domestic product. [clears throat] Our economy has has what's the right word is shrinking.

[00:13:21]>> Mhm.

[00:13:22]>> We have to come to terms with means and ends. What can we actually afford versus what we want to do? This latest fiasco in the Persian Gulf is forcing us down a down a road that we didn't want to go down. But now we're going to have to deal with it. We will never spend $1.5 trillion dollar on a defense budget.

[00:13:43]We're never going to see that. It's going to be substantially less. I predict it will be cut in half or or more. The world has changed and many of the things that used to be very powerful, we just talked about that. We talked about submarines and we also have unmanned submersibles. Submarines and unmanned submersibles are going to dominate the oceans, not large capital ships. They're simply too vulnerable.

[00:14:09]It's impossible to protect them from some >> too expensive to run as well.

[00:14:14]>> Of course, very expensive. And then you have overhead surveillance.

[00:14:19]>> Uh these are overhead intelligence surveillance reconnaissance platforms so that we can maintain surveillance let us say over the port of Stockholm 24 hours a day, seven days a week. We can track everybody who comes in and goes out, you know, we can pick out who the who the owners of the boats are. I mean, that's that's the level of surveillance that we can achieve right now. That then is linked to what we call terminally guided uh missile systems, rockets, drones, you you name it, whatever it is, we've seen this in the Persian Gulf. And you can control vast areas with the combination of surveillance and precisiong guided weapons. So, this has changed warfare.

[00:15:00]You can't show up as we did in 1990 and build up a force of 300,000 ground troops within missile range of Iraq and get away with it. It's impossible. If you try to do that now, they'd probably wait until the ships arrived and then destroy the ships and the docks where they will offload. So, again, the world is changing. Military power is changing.

[00:15:22]And I think Iran has also demonstrated that it can with what I call this ISR, intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance strike complex that if you build that correctly, you can defeat anyone who is trying to enter, invade or subjugate your country. And I include Sweden and Finland and Norway in that category along with Denmark. you can turn that whole northern portion of Europe into an ISR strike zone that makes it impossible for anybody to really threaten you for any length of time. So if that's true, and I believe it is true, what what is the need for being part of an alliance that commits you to hostility against other countries that you don't want to fight?

[00:16:13]>> Exactly.

[00:16:14]>> You don't need to fight.

[00:16:17]Now, of course, one of the major tasks that has to be performed is that the Swedish people, the German people, everybody in Europe needs to look at Russia rationally and objectively and understand this is not the Soviet Union.

[00:16:31]>> Mhm.

[00:16:33]>> And the last thing that anyone with a a rational mind in the Kremlin wants is to govern the people they once occupied in Eastern Europe.

[00:16:43]Only a madman would want to move Russian troops into a place like Poland.

[00:16:47]>> Yeah.

[00:16:48]>> The Russians don't even want to cross the river into western Ukraine.

[00:16:53]>> Yeah.

[00:16:53]>> People don't seem to understand this.

[00:16:55]This is not about conquering territory and administering it.

[00:16:58]>> But, you know, the the media has indoctrinated the Scandinavians to to so much. [snorts] I I wrote a a little piece on X where I said, well, the Ukrainians bombed St. Petersburg on the opening day of their international economic forum and hit some infrastructure and also destroyed a warship in Kronstat, which is [snorts] a harbor, military harbor in the Finnish Bay of Finland outside St. Petersburg.

[00:17:29]And I said that what would happen if somebody bombed the Davos meeting in Switzerland? And the these people are going, "Oh, you're a batnik. That's a degrading word for a for a Putin lover.

[00:17:45][snorts] >> A batnik." But I stirred up the the the the emotions quite a lot. So it only increased my ex account's followers, [laughter] you know. So I do that sometimes provocate a little bit. But another question is then I mean the stupidity of the Swedish government is immense. Plus they they they was no debate about joining NATO at all. It just said now we join NATO. Hallelujah. And now we're safe. And I'm go what? And now [laughter] what happened here recently? The Grien.

[00:18:23]You're familiar with the fighter jet Griffin. You >> the 90 billion uh Griffin deal.

[00:18:30]>> Yeah.

[00:18:31]>> Yeah, I am. And I know the >> Griffin is they're going to they're going to donate 16 of the second generation, the D, the Griffin D. 16 of those Silinski gets for free next year. That's the letter of intent signed by the Swedish prime minister. And then 20 he he's going to Celelesi is going to have to buy 20 of the next generation the Griffin E. Okay. That cost about in Swedish money it's $200,000 plane around there. No $2 million plane.

[00:19:10]>> 2 million that two billion in Swedish 10 times uh the currency exchange rate.

[00:19:16]>> So what's the use?

[00:19:20]I mean >> it it's it's absolutely pointless, mind-blowing.

[00:19:25]I think that uh you should all go and listen to a speech that was given within the last week or so by Alisa Vital.

[00:19:32]>> Yeah, she's very >> and she was very clear. She talked about the criminal nature of the government, the massive fraud, the stealing, the theft, and said, uh, when we are in power, we will send no more money to Kief. No more money to this Ukrainian state. It all is being stolen.

[00:19:57]Now, how do how do they steal it? Well, 50% of it, I'm told by people in Washington that are watching all of this very carefully, 50% of it never reaches anybody in Ukraine. It goes into other people's pockets.

[00:20:09]>> Yeah.

[00:20:10]>> Goes straight into bank accounts in places like Cyprus or Albania or elsewhere. What about the 50% that does get there? Well, that's also pocketed.

[00:20:19]You know, right now, one of the reasons they have not ever publicized the true losses that the Ukrainians have taken, which we now know are about 1.8 8 to 2 million dead is because the commanders of battalions and and brigades and so forth don't report dead soldiers so that they pocket the money for the salaries for the wages of the soldiers that are gone. Well, what does that do? That means the widows and orphans at home get nothing. I mean th this this is a this is a scandal beyond imagination. No one in Sweden should contribute a dime to what's happening in Ukraine.

[00:20:58]>> Lots of Swedish politicians still have a this uh symbol on their clothing on their jackets, you know, with the Ukrainian flag.

[00:21:08]>> They think that they're dealing with the Ukrainian cosacs that showed up for Charles I 12th at Pava in 1709 and fought shoulder-to-shoulder with him.

[00:21:19]Uh-uh.

[00:21:20]>> That's not what you're dealing with.

[00:21:22]These people bear no relation to that at all. This state is radically different.

[00:21:28]And if you're looking for corruption, if you're looking for the trappings of totalitarian behavior, Zilinski and his friends in Kief have it all.

[00:21:38]>> So I don't know what to tell you.

[00:21:40]Alternative media has become very important in the United States because frankly people in the United States are increasingly skeptical of what they hear through the mainstream media. Now the mainstream media it the people in my generation we call ourselves baby boomers. We were born in the 50s early 60s.

[00:22:01]>> Those foolish people continue to listen to the nightly news. Nobody else does.

[00:22:07]Nobody. Everybody else now goes to alternative media sources on the internet >> because that's where you're going to find the truth. You're not going to get it to the mainstream media. Everybody knows it.

[00:22:17]>> In fact, uh, major major newspapers like the New York Times, Washington Post, so forth, these are outlets that are routinely exploited by the CIA and the National Security Agency to to disseminate false information, false narratives. You know, a lot of this is cooked up by MI6 in London, by the CIA and Mossad, which is joined at the hip with the other two. So, I I don't have an easy solution, but the Swedes have got to start asking hard questions.

[00:22:48]>> Yeah.

[00:22:48]>> And if they're not satisfied with the answers, they need to start voting these people out of office.

[00:22:53]>> But there should be a referendum. There should have been a referendum on NATO.

[00:22:57]>> Exactly.

[00:22:58]>> Hell, we had a referendum on the MRI treaty. Remember that? Yeah. Yeah.

[00:23:04]>> Well, what's wrong with the referendum on NATO? Well, I I think I know what's wrong with it. There was a possibility that Swedes might wake up and say, "No, we What's wrong with what we have?"

[00:23:13]>> They knew that it was going to be a no.

[00:23:15]if you know if if there would have been a fair debate but they feared that it would be a no because the the secretary of war Paul Yunson in Sweden he's joined that hip with guys like Haggith and he signed the DCA agreement with the United States to uh let uh Swedish territory on 17 places in this long and small country to the United States without any restrictions not even nuclear restrictions. He just signed it off and uh >> well, let's stop right there. Let's stop right there because you just said something that's extremely important.

[00:23:56]You talk about 17 potential base locations, >> right?

[00:24:02]>> We have roughly 27 bases in the Middle East and the Persian Gulf region. Of those 11 of the largest are along the Persian Gulf in the various emirates.

[00:24:15]What has happened to those? They have all been destroyed.

[00:24:20]>> Exactly.

[00:24:21]>> Now, why were those bases established?

[00:24:23]They were established because we said, "We will protect you."

[00:24:29]But we were unable to protect any of those states on the Arabian Peninsula because warfare has changed.

[00:24:38]And we have learned that if we put our forces forward, if we start putting our warships into your ports, if we station aircraft on the ground in your country, they can be targeted and destroyed in a matter of minutes in the event of a crisis or conflict that involves Russia or potentially other countries.

[00:25:00]>> Exactly.

[00:25:01]>> Why would you want that?

[00:25:03]>> It's ridiculous. It's the wrong answer.

[00:25:06]This is old thinking.

[00:25:08]>> Yeah, but the the politicians in Sweden keep saying like repeating like a broken record. It's for your and our safety to do this.

[00:25:17]>> But it doesn't work that way.

[00:25:19]>> I know.

[00:25:20]>> And the other the other thing is no one in the United States is going to pull a nuclear trigger because somebody crossed Finland and invaded Sweden. It's not going to happen. Why? Because the opponent has nuclear weapons. Mhm.

[00:25:34]>> We don't live in the in the world of 50, 60 years ago, which was really where all of this began with NATO. So the whole thing is obsolete. It's defunct. It doesn't work. And when you put US forces into your country, a place where we have no business being, I mean, let's be frank, >> Americans do not live in Europe. We love Europe. I love Europe. I enjoy visiting it whenever I can. But we do not live there. It is not our country. All right.

[00:26:04]So, what in the hell are we doing there?

[00:26:06]Oh, we're protecting you. No, we are magnets for attack. We are a catalyst for conflict and crisis.

[00:26:15]>> Swedes really want to be dragged into the wars that we may involve ourselves in in Africa or the Middle East? [cough] I don't think so. So, my my advice to everybody in Sweden and and and listen, I am an American nationalist. I believe in America first. I think Swedes should believe in Sweden first.

[00:26:37]>> And if we all act in what we think are our best interests, there will be peace.

[00:26:46]>> What a horrible thought you would get from our politicians.

[00:26:51]But it's interesting you mentioned this with alternative media. We have I mean the development is in Europe on that is here. Uh but we have a very very very mafial like media mainstream media.

[00:27:09]They're trying to suppress it as much as they can. They start up what they call independent YouTube channels and and try to, you know, do things that that alternative bloggers and like my show, [snorts] there's hundreds of them in Sweden that are doing a good job of uh lifting up the truth and not, you know, lying blatantly, which mainstream media does. And the state television in Sweden is horrible. They're the worst. and they're tax financed. You cannot say no.

[00:27:45]It's on your tax bill.

[00:27:47]>> Well, this this really needs to change.

[00:27:49]I I don't know what to tell you. It really does. And you have to have people that are willing to invest in alternative outlets and you have to change the people in the government who will try to stop it. Freedom of information is so vital. It can't be overestimated. And the beauty of uh the kind of media that's developing now is that if you have a cell phone, if you have access to a computer of any kind, you have freedom of information if you're allowed to have it. And that has to happen. So I hope some of these these things will be reconsidered by the Swedes because Sweden is one of those countries in the world which we view as uh leading in reasonable directions.

[00:28:34]Now, the other thing, of course, that you've got to deal with, I assume you want to talk somewhat about all of these unwanted visitors to your country that people refer to as migrants.

[00:28:44]>> Yeah, that's a that's a big problem all over Europe. Uh Sweden especially, maybe Germany, >> Britain also is hard hit. Uh that's a debate that's going on and they're talking about remigration now actually from the politicians because they have realized that this costs too much money.

[00:29:05]It it it only creates crime. It creates animosity between groups, you know, that can't get along. You can't place the Middle East in Sweden. That's impossible. And and expect it to work.

[00:29:19]Uh which they did. And then the European Union is is at is to be blamed for a lot of this. And >> well, we're going through something very similar. We we we [clears throat] had this view of immigration which was based on the first 200 years of our history, >> right?

[00:29:36]>> And of course, it [clears throat] was overwhelmingly European immigration. And Europeans once they arrived in the United States because it was difficult to get here and people fail to realize that. They finally got here. They rapidly learned to speak English. They set themselves up and within a generation they were Americans. In other words, they assimilated in terms of values and thinking, behavior and so forth. Was it a perfect system? Of course not. No, no system is ever perfect. But it worked. And then in the mid60s, we changed the legislation. We said, "Oh, let's everybody come here."

[00:30:09]>> That has not worked. And what we now have are portions of Mexico, El Salvador, uh probably Yemen, Somalia, and so forth springing up inside the United States. These people are not interested in assimilating. They can assimilate and we can't force them to.

[00:30:30]Uh they can assimilate us if we allow it. And that's something we don't want.

[00:30:35]And this is something you have to think about. There is a Swedish population, a core population. The core population is always the foundation for the society and the nation that it creates.

[00:30:49]You know these things. Stockholm did not spring up by accident.

[00:30:54]>> Oh no.

[00:30:55]>> It was not settled by Carthaginians.

[00:30:58]It's not an extension of the Roman Empire. All right. [laughter] So people need people need to come to terms with the reality that what you've got in your country is actually quite unique. And if you want to preserve it, I assume they do, you're going to have to preserve the population that created it and sustains it and maintains it because others coming in won't do that.

[00:31:24]>> Yeah. We uh we thought we were going to have last election we got it changed from the most socialist uh government to uh sort of a middle of the road [snorts] calling themselves more like liberals but they didn't change anything really.

[00:31:39]Uh nothing happened. We keep keep giving up uh these uh green cards or whatever you call them you know work permits and and residential permits in the same scale about 100,000 a year. And given a population of 10 million that's quite a lot for you know every year we're only 10 million Swedes not even probably ethnical Swedes we're 8 million still because the the the reproduction is low because of the socialist politics that you know men and women have to work [snorts] >> to make uh things go around and uh of course they have the idea that the state will take care of the children [snorts] which is insane. saying in my view but you know that family values has not been on the top list in this country for a long time. I hope it comes >> I'm surpris I'm a little surprised because if you go back to the Bolevik revolution >> all these things were tried in the aftermath of the Bolevik revolution and by 1921-22 they were all stopped.

[00:32:45]>> Yeah.

[00:32:46]>> Because it didn't work.

[00:32:47]>> Yeah.

[00:32:48]I mean, this is this is the Soviet Union, right? [clears throat] >> And uh I mean, I've got some friends that grew up were born in the Soviet Union that come here and they look around and they say, "What are you doing?"

[00:32:59]>> I said, "What do you mean? What are we doing?" Said, "Don't you realize we tried this in the Soviet and everybody knows it doesn't work? It's a disaster.

[00:33:06]What the hell are you doing?"

[00:33:08]>> I I think I think more people need to wake up to reality. Uh but you know there's nothing I guess there's not a great deal that you can do other than do what you are doing which is a very important service. You're speaking out.

[00:33:22]>> Oh yeah.

[00:33:22]>> And you're you're giving a voice to millions of people in that country that need to speak out >> because I I'm very much like uh you know a North European. I'm not somebody that likes to go in the street and demonstrate.

[00:33:35]But when I see injustice I get very angry. And I think that's what's happening in our country. It's happening in Ireland. It's happening in Great Britain. And [clears throat] eventually it's going to explode.

[00:33:48]>> Yeah.

[00:33:48]>> The politicians need to come to terms with that because when it explodes, they're finished. If you look at history, there's a book written by a man who's Russian named Peter Turchin.

[00:33:59]And uh this book ex explores various revolutions and social change. And what he finds invariably is that the elites at the time are annihilated. They're wiped out. They're swept away.

[00:34:11]Yeah.

[00:34:12]>> So, you would think some of these elites might understand what's really happening and act intelligently in the >> they're so the problem is they're so disconnected from from uh you know, everyday life. They they're overpaid.

[00:34:26]They have so many benefits. They they don't pay for their own taxi rides or air fairs or anything. They go to these luxury meetings like the Bilderberg Group. They go to the Davos meeting and uh eat eat themselves crazy and and order prostitutes on tax money and things like that. [snorts] They're so disconnected. So it it'll blow up. I agree with you that that's inevitable. I I see it that way. And it's got something that hits close to home has to happen to spark this and and it's not going to be it's going to be ugly in that case.

[00:35:08]>> Well, that's one of the reasons that we're we're working on this third party movement.

[00:35:13]>> Yeah. because we see things headed in that direction and eventually people will recognize that they've got to find someplace to go because the Democrats and Republicans, the two parties that have historically governed the country, there's just not enough difference between them to make any difference.

[00:35:29]>> Mhm. Same in England, Labor and Tory, [snorts] but they have, you know, at least three political parties with a chance now. the restore Britain with Nigel Farage and Reform or the other way, Reform Britain and Restore Britain.

[00:35:46]I I can't tell them apart. Uh [snorts] but they're they're locally quite strong already. And in Manchester, there's a local election coming up where the candidate might he's with Labor. If he wins, he's going to kick out Starmer >> try to do it. I I certainly hope so. The problem is I I'm afraid you'll get another version of Stormer initially >> probably.

[00:36:13]>> It's going to it's going to take a couple of iterations, but eventually it will happen. People will become angry enough.

[00:36:19]You know, I was talking to somebody who just left the army and he went home and I'm not going to say where, but he said, you know, I came home, I looked at my home, I looked where I grew up and I looked at what's happened and he said, I can't believe that I served in the army. Then I went to Iraq and Afghanistan mult multiple times and now my home looks worse than the places I was in in the Middle East.

[00:36:44]>> Wow.

[00:36:45]>> What is wrong with this? I'm an American. This is not what I want.

[00:36:49]So I think we're all going through this and the best that you can do is try to provide an alternative to the status quo. And it's going to be tough because the status quo hates change.

[00:37:00]>> Remember, as you point out, everybody currently in government benefits from the graft, from the corruption, from the stupidity.

[00:37:08]>> Exactly. They're they're the new upper class. We're try trying to be. Okay. I think that's about all the questions I have for today. Uh, thank you so much for clarifying a few things for me and for [clears throat] my audience. Well, listen. God bless all of you. And I mean that sincerely because we're going to need some divine intervention to help us.