In religious debates, the historical Jesus's teachings can be analyzed through different theological frameworks, and scholars must critically evaluate source reliability and avoid circular reasoning when determining whether Jesus taught concepts like the Trinity or prophetic mission.
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No, Muhammad's gang.
>> No, he's not.
>> You You didn't know Muhammad got got all night by his >> I got to rent to this. There's a lot of stuff that happened. But first, Muslims can just watch a [music] video. Remove all of the necessary context out of it in order to make themselves look right.
>> They wouldn't.
>> They would. What's one? Give me one rabbi that says that. I even though I don't agree with the rabbis, I don't know one rabbi that would say that [clears throat] God actually rested literally.
>> Yeah.
>> All right. Yeah. Give me one.
So, you're going to become Jesus's wife when you die.
>> Come respectful and then I'll talk to you until then. Stay to the side. It's >> in the Bible. Come respectful and then we can talk.
>> It's in the Bible. What did you ask?
>> Come respectful Christian.
>> Come respectful cuz the second that I start talking about your hold. If if I hold Let me handle these guys. Let me handle these guys. The the second I start talking about your prophet and your prophet's wives, then you're going to get you're going to get emotional and you have no problem. Okay? So, come respectful. Come respectful or else I'm going to embarrass you and your prophet.
>> All right? So, stay to the side. Stay to the side. Embarrassed Paul.
>> Paul is greater than Muhammad.
>> No, he's not.
>> Oh, really?
>> How many Christians did he >> Wait, how many Christians? Not more than Muhammad.
>> Not more than Muhammad.
>> He killed all the >> Not more than Muhammad.
>> He bring all the G >> and Muhammad killed Jews and Christians.
Now what? Now what?
>> Paul's a bat man.
>> Huh?
>> Paul is a batty man.
>> What? Say that again. A batim man.
>> Yes.
>> What's a bat man?
>> Like gay?
>> Oh, gay. Oh, Muham Oh, you're saying Paul's gay?
>> Yes, he is.
>> Wait, no. Muhammad's gay.
>> No, he's not.
>> You didn't know that? You You didn't know Muhammad got got rolled all night by the Zuk. You know, you start talk to him. Talk to him. Talk to him. No. Talk to him. He can't respect folk. He can't He can't respect. No. That's your prophet. That's your prophet. That's your prophet. That's your prophet.
That's your prophet. Don't confuse no right with your prophet. So, as you can see, there's a little bit of context added in there. He's having a conversation with this imam or shake.
And then this brother just jumps right in and just says something very weird.
Then he starts throwing out all of this stuff. Logic responds and then guess what gets clipped [music] by the Muslim.
>> No, Muhammad's gay.
>> No, he's you. Hey, you didn't know Muhammad got got got off by >> this guy smiled to Janna removed all of the context in order to victimize the Muslims. Muslims get to attack first.
When we attack back, they remove the idea that they attack first [music] and cry and complain about us attacking back. And this is what's happening with this new generation of Da. The DA scene has now become deceptive clips. They can have a 2-hour conversation and run off with something really, really small, void of context. They know that their people do not study or do any research.
Let's hear Libby Hano go in about his uh Islamic community.
>> Like, listen, since we're being real, everybody in the Muslim community thinks they're Superman, so they want to take everybody on. And so they take somebody on, they make them look good, they blow him up even more. And now we're at a point where the guy has 700K. He's he's touching a millie. He's making hundreds of thousands of dollars a month. It's too late, bro. Somebody's got to refute him. Point is, somebody has to be there, bro, to refute these guys. Because you want to know why?
>> Well, >> I've been saying this for a long time.
We suck, bro. We suck so bad. The DA scene has sucked for a long time, bro.
We got too many lazy people. They're too lazy to to keep up. They're too lazy to open up a damn book and read, right? And they're too critical of each other. And everybody wants to play Superman. The Christians, on the other hand, they they got some form of structure where look, if Avery wants to block ball the Orthodox Muslim and boycott him, everybody's on board. Nobody's debating the Orthodox Muslim. Why? The Orthodox Muslim is trouble. And if he keeps debating these guys with numbers, then he's going to skyrocket. So, we got to stop that from happening.
>> Liiano really thinks that he's black ballalled because he's too good. No, you're black ballalled because you're disrespectful, bro. Somebody can't have a regular conversation with you without their wife being brought up in the picture. I remember when me and Black Doctor was going back and forth with you. You randomly put a picture of me and God Logic and his wife in her wedding dress at her wedding for some odd reason in the video and decided to make some weird comments. This is the reason why you're black balled. Not because you're good, but you're right about one thing. Your DA scene is terrible. It's trash. You guys are always talking about each other. You guys are always always tearing each other down. You guys don't do huge collaborations. You guys do not push each other. And I think that this has everything to do with the religion. And when you follow a religion that tries to deem its followers superior over everybody and everyone needs to be subjected under them if they're non-Muslims, you guys will then start to use that pride against each other as well.
>> Okay. And secondly, the issue is just let me address one issue, okay? When you have people that are telling the Muslims like me and everyone else not to engage with caref blasphemers, right? Is it okay for them to now do it as well?
Right. This is hypocrisy, bro.
>> I have hundreds of DMs and emails of Muslims that email me that consume their content and that receive doubts from the arguments that they hear as I'm I don't want to expose anyone. Wall, if you see my email inbox and I don't want to say this because I don't want them to think this is a win, but since you're here and you want to do the talk, we'll do the talk. If you read my email inbox, Muslims email me, "Brother, I am on the verge of kufur and apostasy because of this and that, because of this video, because of this argument."
>> To go to the sheriff, you know, finish you, brother, you think your local imam can refute the Islamic dilemma.
>> So, he's right and wrong here. Nobody, no Muslim can refute the Islamic dilemma. That argument is the downfall of Islam. There's no way out of this circle Muhammad put himself in when he ignorantly spoke on a religion that he had nothing to do with. Second of all, did you hear what he said in the beginning? Isn't it hypocrisy to tell us not to go debate these guys, but then you go debate these guys? Yes, whoever that brother was. Yes, it is. You will not believe how many debate offers we're getting from the same guys that had a coalition in a banding together to not come to our platforms. You guys remember those days? Those same guys are now coming out asking for formal debates from us. They have caused a problem for themselves and now they're crying and complaining about it because now they're debate deprived.
>> Come in peace. Allah abar.
No violence. We come at peace.
Brotherhood brotherhood.
>> Allahbar peace.
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>> Here, this just adds absolute L from Duski here. [music] This just adds to the brainwashing of the idea that Muslims are some sort of violent Hilarious video, bro. Drewuski, the video is hilarious.
But I want you to know this, man. I want you to know this that creating a video like that in an already Islamophobic country, depicting Muslims as robbers and murderers. You had five Muslims scream Allah Akbar right before robbery. Bro, that's egregious.
That's nasty work, man. And I want you to know that when people like you do things like this or when there's heightened geopolitical tension that it fosters discrimination against Muslims, it fosters more bias and it even fosters hate crimes towards Muslims.
So although it is a funny video, man, it is.
I want you to know that you have to be more responsible and be more respectful towards us. Duski just made a skit mocking Muslims. And I'll tell you exactly why he decided to do this. First and foremost, this video has gone viral with 13 million views in 13 hours. And I know he was very uncomfortable and thought long and hard about making this skit. [music] And I'll tell you why. He didn't actually want to make this skit.
He made it because he feels like he's fair game. He feels like he's made jokes and mockeries out of every minority or non- minority in the world, whether it's blacks, caucasian, Hispanics, women, whatever the case may be. And for him to feel less guilty, he has to make this type of skit so he feels like he's being consistent with everybody. But here's where the problem is. Islam for many Muslims is the only serious thing that they take [music] in their life, even if they don't practice it. It's the only serious religion or the only respected thing left [music] in this world. And the reason why a lot of Muslims feel disrespected by this is because as Muslims we are told we should love the prophet peace be upon him more than our own mothers. So if Juicy came online disrespected somebody's mother directly how would they feel? We would be feeling all sorts of emotions in that moment. So when he comes online mocks the Muslims that's why they feel the way they do.
Okay. I'm convinced accountability just doesn't exist in Islam. Juski did nothing wrong in that skit because that was actually the truth. Muslims run around claiming Islam is the religion of peace. But yet we have an overwhelming amount of evidence even to this day.
Muslims doing violent acts in the name of their religion because of their religion for their religion for the god that they serve. They yell out Allah Akbar just before they go do something violent. So that brother that got mad because he put that in his skit. That's exactly what Muslims do.
And when we say Muslims, we don't mean all Muslims. We know that there are peaceful Muslims, the grass that are hiding the snakes. You guys are the problem. And you guys are a hindrance to us who want to expose what the real Islam is. The reason why your religion even spread in the first place was due to violence and forcing people into your religion. That's the reason why we have evidence of Muslims being super duper violent when it comes to defending their religion. They can't even have a straightforward conversation. Some of them as soon as you mention the name Muhammad, they get irate and start yelling and get mad. So, let's not play these games. If you don't want to be called a violent religion, well, then you have to stop doing violent stuff in the name of your religion. So, it looks like Kora finally responded to Muslim lantern. I want people to do da. I don't care if you're a boy or a girl. We want these people to be exposed because she is a deceitful, uneducated liar, especially when it comes to Christianity. But watching this video, I found out she was also uneducated about her own religion. She disagrees with her own prophet about Zenna. Freemixing is something that we call means it is haram because of what it leads to. It can lead to fitna. It can lead to things such as zena in very extreme cases and things of that nature.
Now, can these things happen? Can can za happen online? No. First, can can these things happen online?
>> These these e things that are happening, I don't know.
>> Hey, bro. These e things, man. But like, okay, Zena, obviously not. That can't happen. But Fitzna is different.
>> All right, everybody. Let's take a moment to read this hadith. The adultery of the eye is the lustful look and the adultery of the tongue is the lentious speech. Educate yourself. Yes, you can commit adultery over the internet because any man on the other side of his camera can look at you and lust after you, your face or your voice. The problem is is that in Islam, they try to say that it's your fault. Your religion is backwards. Instead of actually blaming the men, they blame both of you guys. He did something wrong, but he did something wrong because you opened up your camera, came on screen, and started talking about religion with a hijab on.
And so you need to stop because you are causing zenna for other men. What a backwards religion. What a cult this is.
All right, now you guys are in for some pure Islamic yes, no, yes, no, yes, no.
This is exactly why it's so tough to debate Muslims that just want to talk and filibuster and put a bunch of fluff on the table. These guys brought up a subject. Okay, their topic was the historical Jesus did not preach the Trinity, which would mean that they would know where to get the information to find out what the historical Jesus taught. Look at how hard it was for them to identify what sources are they using and what sources are being allowed to be used and then watch as they throw them under the bus, disagree with their own sources, and then end up with a good old yes. No, yes, yes, no, no, yes, no.
forth. No, I turned it tuck. You said we can know the historical Jesus didn't teach the trinity. But now you're saying we can't know anything about the historical Jesus. All these sources are postresurrection. We can't use any of them. So again, you just go back to well we we don't think Jesus did because we're metaphysically certain about the Quran. Therefore, he did circular.
>> Go ahead. No, it's how they didn't adjust the argument from what real quick.
>> How are we how we be doing? It's [laughter] okay, Brian. We're going to keep this >> and what we have is what we have is is you guys saying well hold on now you went to the argument of the sayings of Christ post resurrection guess what if we argue about the historical Christ and we can give a case to why the historic saying of Christ after the resurrection are historical then the argument would follow it's very simple so therefore this is why we went down the whole trail of proving that these statements and sayings of Christ post resurrection are ah historical guess what based on the argument that I gave that the expectation if if they if they saw saw a crucifixion and a resurrection it would increase them in belief. So sorry because they didn't believe it.
Therefore, it's not historical. That's not how that works.
>> Because we would expect for them to be increased in belief and because we would according to who?
>> Let me let me bro.
>> Bro, you've been talking.
>> The thing is you can't ask me a question then don't let him speak. No, you can't do that. Please. Right. So because we know that it would increase them in belief, right? And because we know that uh um all all the Jews prior to Christ, they didn't believe in his expectation when the Messiah is supposed to be on raising on the third day. Therefore, we can make a good argument from science.
Therefore, if it did teach that, we expect evidence. So, we don't have evidence. Therefore, it didn't teach that.
>> So, let's go back then to the the very beginning, right?
>> What sources do we use to find the historical Jesus?
>> Right? So, when it comes to something that is before the resurrection, it will be more reliable, right? What sources can we both be? What sources for history?
>> We mentioned Q and let me just let me finish resurrection.
>> Can Let me finish. No, I don't even know. No, can can I finish? Thank you.
So, we can still we can still use Mark, Matthew, and John, right? So, for example, when you have the statements of Christ doing something that can be corroborated, right? Then there's no issue with that. But I'm saying that these statements post resurrection have to be a historical due to this argument which you still can't address. So, can we use Q to find the historical Jesus then according to you?
>> Yeah.
>> Finally. Thank you. All right. Let's go all of this.
>> All right. So if so you would you would say that Jesus uh you would say that Allah sent Jesus as a prophet right?
>> Right.
>> Okay. Who says prophets? Allah >> uh according to Islam Islamic theology and Islamic understanding. Yes. Yes.
>> Okay. Great. Why in Q according to all the reconstructions like John Clenberg does Jesus in Q say I send you prophets and sages and you will kill some of them? So you've just acknowledged that according to Q Jesus would be a law.
>> Tell you want to spy. What verse are you referencing?
>> That's in Q. I can pull up you.
What did you say? You said that uh >> that in Q Jesus Jesus uh says that he's the one who sends you.
>> Yeah. Uh so this is in Jordan John Clenberg Q 11:49-51.
Therefore also uh I will send them prophets and sages and some of them they will kill and persecute. So just saying >> so Jesus is the one who sends prophets according to your Islamic theology.
Obviously it's God who sends prophets.
So would you agree that Jesus is claiming to be God as he's the one who sends the prophets? it wouldn't follow because what you're saying is is that what you're saying is that we have Islamic theology and because it's not compatible with Islamic theology, this what's happening. Therefore, must be compatible with trinitarian theology.
What you what we have to take into account is is that there's a bunch more theology within that that it can still be compatible with. And guess what? It doesn't increase the probability of prophets.
>> Let me finish. Let me finish. And it doesn't increase theology prophets.
>> Let me finish. Let me land.
>> I thought you did.
>> I already answered that already. I don't want you asking again.
>> You said God, right?
>> I already answered. Why you asking again? So if Jesus says I sin properly.
>> So again just because let me finish.
Just because you believe that's incompatible with Islamic theology.
>> If then doesn't follow that it must be compatible with trinitarian theology only.
>> Let's do this. Let's do this now.
>> By you got one.
>> Who sends the prophets?
>> You got to let me finish.
>> He's got to he's got to explain it to you.
>> So you can explain and then I can speak.
Go ahead.
>> Who sends the prophets?
>> Go ahead. McDogen.
>> Who sends them? Allah. God. God. So he has God sends the prophets. God sends the prophets. Who said that he sends the prophets? That's what Jesus says.
>> Jesus says, he says the prophets, therefore, Jesus is God.
>> Therefore, there is that natural theology.
>> What's that?
>> Can you read the quote?
>> John, it's in John.
>> So, according to Qes, I'm I'm going to respond now. So, again, >> hold on. Let's let it clear up here.
>> Yeah. Q14951.
>> So, Jesus teaches his divinity even in the Q source that you guys say is the historical information we can.
>> And now you guys reject it.
>> You guys, I'm accepting. Why do you say I reject it? No, I I accept this argument that you're giving me. I'm about to respond to it.
>> You accept Q, >> right? I don't know.
>> Okay. Just go ahead.
>> So again, the argument being made is that Christ does something that said that God does. Okay. Now, just because you show that this is incompatible with Islamic theology, >> I'm talking about Islam.
>> We're not talking about Islam.
>> Wait, you ask me who says prophet?
>> I didn't say in Islam when I just asked when I broke down the passes. I'll do it again. Who sends the prophet?
>> And who? You're asking a Muslim. I'm asking you >> as a Muslim.
>> No, no, just period.
>> Wait, how?
>> Just period. Who who sends the prophet?
>> I will ask you as a Muslim, bro. Who sends the prophet? He he spoke. I'm going to make my argument now. You spoke already. You made the argument. So again obviously he's asking me as a Muslim. So obviously as a Muslim I would consider that God ultimates and prophets but we can understand.
>> So by understanding this will be a devel I'm about to land the point. So when we have other theologies such as Aryans and other non-trinitarians that they would argue that this is fine within their model of their belief and it would entail quote unquote >> but it wouldn't be.
>> Let me just let me finish. Right. And because it's compatible with their belief through agency or or for example for example God says that God forgives sins and you have other people forgiving sins doesn't work.
>> That that doesn't mean that they're now God.
>> It doesn't work.
>> Let me finish bro. So because incompatible with Islamic theology, it doesn't mean that it raised the probability of it being compatible with trarian theology.
>> No worries. Can can we can we agree here that that Jesus the historical Jesus is teaching opposite of of Islamic theology?
>> Yeah. It doesn't mean that he's Yahweh.
>> Okay. No worries. So So just be clear.
So the historical Jesus teaches something. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. So the historical Jesus teaches something against Islamic theology. Correct.
>> No, I don't believe he can still be reconciled with Islam theology that he simply >> Oh, so it does go with Islamic theology, right? Because he can be an agent of agent of God that sends prophets.
>> So in Islamic theology, an agent of Allah can send prophets.
>> No. No. Again, it's very simple.
>> No. No. Yes. No. Yes. Yes. No. No. Yes.
No.
>> Fourth, man. This is like you don't want to answer, >> bro. Yeah. You giving me multiple answer. Now, if you were confused by that Muslim's position, that was the point. That's it. They do this stuff just to confuse you. It has no substance. They're not standing 10 toes on anything. It's just a fluff to try to confuse you to think, "Ah, maybe I might join Islam then cuz that just didn't make any sense." [music] Yes, that was the point. Now, Dr. Nasser decided to debate God logic. I think it was the worst move he could have ever made, but we also got some good gems out of that.
Now, there's one thing that I want to highlight. This guy wanted to deny the sunship of Christ and the relationship that we have to our father so bad to the [music] point where he even denied having a real relationship with his own god. He denounced the fact that he can say, "I am the beloved of Allah." in order to uphold this false Islamic cultlike understanding of Muhammad's ignorance.
>> It's an that's an assumption. How would how would you ground it in fact? What I'm saying is we have faith. We have faith in these books. Now, you can have faith in the Quran, which you don't. You can have faith in the Bible, to which my conclusion is there are lots of parallels that if you accept Islam, so much of the Quran, so much of the Bible will make sense to you. So is that where I will get the historicity of how Jesus practiced his religion in the Bible?
>> You will get the closest account you can get to the actual history. Historical.
So so it's not the Quran that gives us the historical Jesus. It's the Bible that gives us the historical Jesus. So then when I look in the Bible and I see what Jesus taught, let's say how he prayed, for example, and he prayed. One of the ways he prayed was falling down on his ground saying, "Father, if it's possible, let me let this cup pass me, but not my will that your will be done."
Yeah.
>> Or looking up, just standing up, looking lifting up his eyes to heaven saying, "Father, glorify me, your son, with the glor glorify your son, so that your son may glorify you." I'm seeing how Jesus prayed, you affirming that these are this is these are the this is the closest we can get to the historical account of how Jesus prayed.
>> Yes. And because of the because of what you just said, if I'm going to conclude, was this a god or was this a prophet?
I'm definitely going to fall on the side. Now, you I I knew you're going to interrupt. That's great.
>> I didn't ask. That's not the topic.
>> That is the topic. Is he a Muslim or is he a Christian?
>> You just you didn't say that. You said is he a god or is he just a prophet?
>> If he's if we believe in are you really if we believe in Christianity then he's God praying to God.
>> We're not talking about his deity. We're talking about his religion.
>> I know you want to focus on like what I'm making a big deal of is who he prayed to. The idea of God in Islam is the God who's not triune. He's a singular. He is a singular person in his essence. He does not begin nor is he begotten. He has no children in any sense. He is unlike his creation.
>> You keep on is ushering in any sense.
>> No, that that's what your Quran says.
Oh, >> we we dealt with that in 5:18. We dealt with that very clearly.
>> You said no. You affirmed it.
>> God is telling them, don't attribute purity to yourself. You're not saying it in the divine sense that there was a man that was actually God. He's saying, guys, let's chill out. We're all the blessed be the peacemaker. We're the children of God. I would say, look, I don't use those terminology, but I totally get your point.
>> So, you agree that a peacemaker is a child of God?
>> Child Jewish. Look at you're trying to usher. This is this is a you're playing games every time >> that >> I agree that when the Jews speak Yes.
Actually, yes. Yes. Yes. Children of God in the sense of in the sense of we're not talking about divinities, are we?
We're talking about beloved people to God cuz obviously there's not a bunch of Jesus running around, right? So, you're talking about righteous people, >> right? So, thank you for clarifying your meaning. And in that meaning, I got no problem cuz you're making it very clear.
>> All right. So, so just to be clear, you are okay at affirming as a Muslim. A Muslim can affirm that Allah is their father in the sense that they are a peacemaker. So therefore they are a child of Allah.
>> You got to be you got to be seriously bored of him running these same circles when I've already clarified that the Israelites use that terminology and we respect what they use. No, hold on. We understand we understand that terminology.
>> Please chill.
>> No, don't talk to him. Talk to me.
>> Calm down.
>> Is that a Is that a yes?
>> Are you going to keep yelling?
>> I'm just asking. Is that a yes?
>> I need to take a breath. [music] >> Is that a yes?
>> I'm posturing like I'm winning. Take it.
>> Is that a yes? This doesn't this doesn't work, brother. You're making yourself look This is embarrassing.
>> Oh, man. This is so embarrassing. It is so embarrassing.
>> I love posturing.
>> As a Muslim, can you affirm for yourself that you are beloved of God?
>> No, I will not. I will not I will not arrogantly declare that I know God loves me. No, God judges me. I don't I don't tell God what to think.
>> This This is another This is another thing that is contrary to the to the the teachings of Jesus. The teaching of Jesus. Jesus says that you are the loved ones of your father. Just like he takes care of the of the birds, just like he dresses the liies, how much more are you worth to him? Jesus says that those of us who are believers, those of us who are in the kingdom, we are beloved of God. This is another contrary thing with Muslim theology and Christ's [music] theology. It's completely opposite. I got to rent this.
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