Effective political engagement with Black voters requires tailored messaging strategies across different generations, as research shows that Black Gen Z is significantly less likely than older generations to fight for democracy or voting rights, with 56% believing they do not have to defend democracy compared to only 22% of Black boomers; this generational gap of approximately 20 points across multiple metrics necessitates distinct communication approaches for each demographic group to effectively mobilize Black voters.
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Added:It's Wednesday, July 22nd, 2026. Coming up on Roller Martin unfiltered streaming live on the Blackar Network, uh the family of Nolan Wells releases their independent autopsy results today at the NAACP convention in Chicago. We'll tell you what was said. Also, uh Senator Raphael Waro uh talks about white supremacy, uh Trump and the housing bill, as well as what Democrats need to do uh to reach black voters. We'll also talk with uh a research firm that talks about how African-Americans feel about the issue of voting in the wake of the Louisiana vers decision. We'll talk about the case of a black man shot in killed in Delaware. We'll talk with the family attorney and also Texas Governor Greg Abbott had something to say about uh Texas State Representative James Telerico not understanding black voters.
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>> Hey folks, uh US Senator Raphael Waro of Georgia is one of four Democratic United States senators who are African-American in uh the Senate. There is one Republican. Uh and we chatted today about a number of issues including um white supremacy with this Trump administration. We talked about uh of course what Democrats need to do to reach black voters and also uh housing bill. Here is our conversation.
>> Uh Senator War, glad to have you here. I have been doing something really since the inauguration. I I've been framing this thing that what we're seeing right now uh from Trump and MAGA is an effort to completely defund black America. And I've been saying right now it's a war on black America. If you look at everything, if you look at the tax on DEI, the the pulling of grants, uh when you look at uh the federal layoffs, uh when you look at uh the FCC, uh look at all these things, it is black, I mean the gerrymandering, uh civil rights pullback, it is as if there's a massive bullseye on the backs of black America.
And and I've been trying to get our people to understand that we cannot sit elections out because they want to completely eradicate the entire civil rights, economic rights, social justice infrastructure that has been not just built over the last 60 years, but even going back to the reconstruction amendments.
>> Oh, absolutely. There there is no question that the Trump Vance administration is a white supremacist regime that is trying to force uh its dark and and divisive vision uh of of our country uh onto the American experiment just as we celebrate observe the 250th anniversary of this grand experiment that has it certainly had has had and does uh continue to have it its imperfections.
Black people have been at the center of the work of trying to transform our country, uh make a a country as good as his promise, one that lives up to the ideals uh in the charter documents uh in our nation. And there's no question that that the Trump administration uh whether we're talking about the attacks on on uh DEI, the the idea that you would turn diversity, equity, inclusion into cuss words, uh often at the behest of religious people. I've been saying from pulpits, you know, in my other day job, uh that that equity is in the Bible. uh the idea of inclusion and divers and and and diversity. The these are moral concepts and uh we have to hold uh this administration accountable, but we also have to hold uh others including pastors and churches who are loud supporters of this. Some of the meanest voices in our country right now, the folks most likely to blame immigrants, blame poor people, uh, are people who read from the book. And so I I I I want I want to challenge them on the basis of of of the book. I'm a Matthew 25 Christian. And as much as you've done it unto the least of these, you've done it also unto me. And I think we've got to hold them accountable. But come this November, we got to hold them accountable at the polls. people.
>> But this is also why it's also why I think where we are, we we have to be in this and and I have been just Bishop William Barber and I our frat brother, we've been talking about this here.
>> We have to have a microto macro strategy, but also we have to be walking people through this. Those of us who live and breathe this stuff every day just simply can't assume that people know. There has to be a connecting of the dots. And so you have to connect the dots of Doge layoffs with the dramatic rise in black unemployment because we overindex in federal government. You have to connect the dots of the attacks on against DEI on how every black nonprofit has been impacted. The slashing of federal grants impacts NOS's. It's impacting uh black organizations. Uh and so all look uh last year Biden Harris black owned businesses got 10 billion dollars in federal contracts only 2%. That's now down to 1.2%. And so when you lose uh those, you know, billions of dollars in federal contracts, guess what? Those are blackowned businesses. They have employees. They have families, they have kids in schools, and so this thing is just impacting in all areas. Uh, and so we're just in in in in a moment where I just think that people uh really need to understand that that that what they are trying to lock in is, and I'm very clear in my book, White Fear, white supremacist rules for the next 50 to 100 years. Uh, and and folk have got to wake up and realize this is not just about the next election. This is literally about the next half century.
>> No, absolutely. They they are playing and they've been playing the long game.
Um, you know, we we uh on our side have not focused uh on the state legislatores, for example, the way that they have over the last uh few decades.
And as a result, we're witnessing this rabid gerrymandering that's going on all across our country. Uh the Supreme Court with its recent Cala decision has poured fuel on that fire. Uh there are literally some 19 seats uh that are are endangered right now in the Congressional Black Caucus. Uh they they want the opposite of the grand covenant e pluribus unum out of many one and they are trying to shape uh the nation in their cruel narrow racist bigoted dystopian image and the the most powerful thing we have right now is our voices. I want those who were saying in 2024, what difference does it make? Uh to look around and see what's happening and ask yourself, can you afford to stay home come November? I think not.
Um you you said that uh if Democrats gain control of the House and or the Senate, you want investigation uh of folks who've been redrawing these maps.
Donald Trump said in January, "Hey, y'all got to keep control of this this thing because if not, they're going to impeach me." Uh, Speaker of the House Mike Johnson said, "Hey, y'all we better keep control because y'all need me to protect you." They're scared to death of investigations. And I've had pe I've heard people say, "Well, you know, Democrats should not be practicing retribution." I've said, "No, wait a minute. Corruption is corruption." Uh, and if Democrats gain control, they should be making it perfectly clear that that they're going to investigate potential wrongdoing. Uh, and clearly we know Donald Trump's DOJ is not going to criminally prosecute. Uh, but what is happening can't people just just can't just get away with it. Uh, and and and not just when it comes to gerrymandering as well, but even just the blatant corruption, the raping and pillaging of the federal budget with Trump earning billions of dollars of him and his family as well. I mean, this is this is mindboggling. what is going on. Uh and so this is also what's on the ballot in November. Actual accountability from Congress.
Listen, if we win when we win one or both of these houses come November, there's no question that we owe it to the American people. We owe it to the people who sent us up here to hold uh folks accountable. We have to hold accountable uh those in the administration who are literally looting the government. They are they are looting uh and and burning uh our systems of accountability down and selling it for parts. Uh I don't know if Donald Trump was a a billionaire or not the first time he ran. There's some question about that.
>> No, he wasn't.
>> But there's no question now. There's no he's he's wealthier than he's ever been.
He's enriching himself. He's enriching his sons, his families. He ran saying that he was going to do something about people's families. And apparently charity begins at home because he has done an excellent job at enriching his own family. Uh but he's not focused on yours uh at all. We have to hold uh him and his enablers in uh accountable.
uh and we have to hold partisan actors in these state legislatures who have been cherrymandering black people's voices uh all across the south um with absolute abandon uh racial gerrymandering still is illeg illegal and even the Supreme Court had to nod to that even in their awful Klay decision.
It is it it is illegal to engage in racialized gerrymandering. And so if we win the majority in the Senate, I intend to drag these state legislators before Congress, hold them accountable, get them on the record, uh ask them about public statements they've made, uh other evidence that we can gather so that those who are fighting these issues in court uh will have the data and the evidence uh that they need. We can do that if we win one or both houses. Uh and then once we're back in power, uh there's some real things that we need to do to save our democracy, uh to strengthen and expand voting rights in our country.
>> Um this week, Democrats are meeting uh to decide who is going to go first. Uh I have made it perfectly clear that I still believe that South Carolina should be the first in the nation. Uh, all due respect to Nevada, Latino voters in Iowa and New Hampshire, uh, African-Americans are the bedrock of the Democratic Party.
But the reason I believe that South Carolina should go first is because the Democratic Party is going to have to come to grips that if you look at the 2030 census, what is projected blue states are going to lose uh, 12 uh, congressional district. That's 12 electoral college votes. Those votes are going south. They're going to Georgia, North Carolina, Florida, Texas, and other places. Uh and so the only Democrats cannot win in the future if they do not win in the south. And that means they are going to have to invest serious dollars on the ground in South Carolina, North Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee, Florida, Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, Texas if they want a future. And I think changing it from South Carolina to me is a huge mistake.
Do you support South Carolina remaining the first in the nation for Democrats?
>> There there's no question that that the road to the presidency, the road to the majority is through the South. And uh as as a child of the South, I absolutely uh support that. I resonate with what you're saying with respect to my neighboring uh state of of South Carolina. We debate on who has the best peaches. Uh, but I I I support uh >> a ain't no debate on who got the best barbecue meat be in Texas. Let's just be real clear. Y'all can talk about them peaches. Y'all can't talk about barbecue.
>> But um look look here here's the issue we have in the Senate, Roland. Uh our our uh high watermark right now in terms of seats that Dems can realistically win in the Senate is 52.
52. Think about that. When when Barack Obama won election in 2008, he had 60 Democratic senators. 60. That is practically unimaginable. Right now, we're going to have to expand our base.
And a big part of that is the South, which is one of the reasons why uh one of the races that I've been trying to get people to pay attention to is the race in Mississippi. We can win a Senate seat in Mississippi. I'm not going to kid you and pretend that it would be easy, but it wasn't easy for me to win my seat in Georgia. When folks start talking about >> it's it's not going to be easy to win that seat, Sar. Sorry to interrupt you.
When you got two black candidates and one is running as an independent right now, polling at 6%. I mean, I'm sorry.
That's that that that you can't beat Cindy Hod Smith with two black candidates running with one as an independent. I'm that's just and I think I think I'm just that's that's just real. I I think that's a tactical issue that that uh needs needs to be uh addressed, but I'm very proud of the race that Scott Cologne uh is running.
He actually outraised the incumbent uh Cindy Hyde Smith in the first quarter.
Mississippi is a state where the media markets are are relatively cheap.
Certainly very cheap as compared say to Texas. I support fullheartedly wholeheartedly what we're doing in Texas. But if we could get a fraction of those resources uh in Mississippi, uh I think it's important both for the short term. I do believe that Scott Cologne can win. Uh Mississippi has just the kind of coalition that we had in Georgia, but even but even more so.
Georgia's 31% African-American.
Mississippi is 38%. We can build a multi-racial coalition in Mississippi to deliver that Senate seat. And in the wake of what they're doing around this partisan gerrymandering, I'd love to see us send Benny Thompson back, of course, to the to the House uh and for good measure uh pick up a Senate seat in the meantime. Couple of more questions. Um, one of them deals with uh, frankly money. Are you and other members of the CBC, are you telling the DNC, the DSCC, the DC, the Democratic Government Association, Senate Majority Pack, House Majority Pack, listen, y'all got to stop this nonsense of the old way of running.
You're going to have to spend three to four more time uh, in investing in black people. you're going to spend three to four more times on the ground because today's black voter is not the other voter. More black people are not identifying as Democrat. Doesn't mean that they won't vote Democrat. But uh the investment has to be there. Uh and and and I I just keep saying to these folks, you're not you're you can't go to the old model that of 40 years ago thinking you're going to pop into a few black churches, show some black endorsements, uh and then do some nominal work. No, you're going to have to spend real money, real time investing to turn out African-Americans if they want to win. Are y'all telling them that? And are they are they listening?
>> The answer is yes. I'm telling them that. I'm saying it all the all the time. And guess what? Is you I got street credits to support it. I'm not here by accident. Uh I I don't know that anybody nobody who spent more money uh on black media, on black radio, in black newspapers uh than I did during uh my campaign. Um uh I I had to upset uh what would people would normally do. I had to shake shake uh the apple cart to make sure that we were talking full time in real time in a robust manner uh to the most faithful part of the Democratic multi-racial uh coalition. Black people are at the base of the party, especially black women. And so, um, you you move across Georgia and you talk to folks in, uh, who, uh, own black radio stations in these little rural towns and and you ask them, uh, what did the War campaign do during my, uh, my two races for the Senate? And, uh, as a result of that, I'm I'm sitting here twice elected in the state of Georgia.
>> Yeah. So black they need to be listening what you did in Georgia and what Don Scott de because speaker of the house of Virginia that's really the model how you turn it out they better listen. Last question for you bipartisan effort huge numbers passing a housing bill. Housing is a major crisis. Uh the uh twice impeached criminal convicted command and chief refused to sign the bill because he threw a temper tantrum. Uh that bill is actually helping people and we know for African-Americans housing is critical, affordability is critical. uh talk about uh you know what you want to see happen now that the bill has become law despite uh the antics of the command and chief.
Housing is one of the most important issues we can be talking about and uh we have a major housing affordability crisis in this country. Much of it is on the supply side. There's just not enough housing and a whole range of reasons uh for that. Uh I've been working on this issue since I came to the Senate, but I'm proud that we were able to pass the road to housing bill, which in various ways uh addresses this affordability crisis. It doesn't do everything, but it is a robust first start. Uh I'd like to do more once we're in power. But in this bill, in this law, which which which this bill which became law despite Donald Trump's temper tantrum, he wouldn't sign it, but but it became law anyway after 10 days. Uh I have a bill I have a provision in the law that finally finally addresses the outsiz uh footprint of private equity in the housing markets. And we're particularly seeing this in communities all across Georgia. I think of huge swaffs of land in southwest Atlanta and all across uh the state that I represent. One in four single family homes owned by private corporations uh in Atlanta. So you're trying to be a firsttime home buyer.
You're a young couple. You got married.
You followed all the rules and you're starting a family. And when you get ready to buy a house, you're not competing against the person down the street. You're competing against some out ofstate private equity corporation.
when my provision finally does something about this uh by uh putting a cap on how much they could buy uh and beginning to address this outsiz impact of private equity putting the squeeze on that. I've got another provision which is the only fair housing provision in the bill which deals with something and you know this Roland black uh homeowners deal with this all the time, appraisal bias.
There's a tax you pay just for being black trying to sell your house and what people say it's worth. Uh well, I have a provision in the bill that has now been passed into law. If if you get an appraisal and you think there's something un untoward uh there for the first time, you actually have some legal recourse and you can demand uh an additional appraisal. U these are the things that we were able to do. Now, there are other things in the bill it uh addressing uh this whole issue around NIMI uh the the government red tape, the zoning laws that make it difficult for us to think outside the box about how to get housing done. All of that is in this bipartisan piece of legislation and uh it's going to take some pressure off of the housing market, create more opportunity. Uh uh but I look forward to the day when we can get even more done.
>> Well, well, absolutely. Well, it's a lot of work to do. Uh, and I'm telling people they got to be a prize on the issues. Uh, because again, uh, if we don't see massive change in November, uh, it's going to be a ugly uh, 27 and 28 and lives are truly on the line.
>> Public policy is is indeed, as you put it, it is a matter of life and death.
And there are people right now uh in our country and even service members abroad who are dead right now uh because of the outcome and election. And so uh your vote is a kind of prayer for the world we desire for ourselves and for our children. And so let's pray our way all the way to and through November with our >> All right. And our legs, our hands and our feet.
>> Absolutely. All right, Brett. I appreciate it. Thanks a bunch. As for all the Q's and the Kappas, much love though. We got We got panh helenic love.
We love everybody.
>> I I call them youth groups. I call I call li l youth groups.
>> You you know why you say that? Because you don't need them to vote for you. I I need all the panh helenics to vote for me.
>> You can still call them that because they know it's true.
>> I appreciate it. Thanks a lot, everybody.
>> All right. All right.
>> All right, folks. Uh let's bring in uh my panel. Joining me right now, Rebecca Kurthers, uh president, CEO, Fair Election Center out of Washington DC.
Patillo, civil rights attorney, uh Patillo Law Firm out of Atlanta. Derek Jackson, state representative uh out of Georgia. Glad to have all three of y'all here. Uh I'll start with you, Rebecca.
Uh what what Senator Waro talked about obviously uh those issues. Um listen, that's what's going to be on the ballot.
Um, these are attacks on black America.
Uh, Trump don't give a damn about housing. He's about lining his own pockets. Uh, but I keep saying what has to happen is as opposed to folks fixating on marches and rallies right now. And they serve a purpose. We should be having more teachings, more training sessions, connecting the dots to get people to understand what the issues are, who's in charge, and how their vote actually makes a difference when it comes to uh these uh lifechanging, lifealtering issues.
>> You know, the most important thing that um the senator talked about is he talked about policy through the lens of life and death. And he's absolutely right.
And there are many activists on the ground who are talking about policy in those terms. I know sometimes we talk about black representation and we talk about, oh, we need black people. But here's the thing that's also important in this moment. We need people who are um empowered, who are advocating for black policies, policies that help push black communities um in this country forward because it is life and death. If we're talking about housing, the life expectancy if you're housed versus unhoused is quite different. um when we're talking about um a a mountain a mountain of student loans, the ability to actually feed your family and not be in a 30-year hole because you're trying to pay hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars back um because you um pursued education in hope for a better life. When we talk about food aparttheid, food scarcity, when we talk about these issues, this is life and death. Of course, when we talk about foreign policy, what's happening with the US and its increased aggression um in the Middle East, specifically Iran, um when we talk about these issues, we do have to understand that stakes are high and that we're seeing that white supremacists in this country, they're playing for keeps. And so, we have to have that same level of intensity as we're discussing policy. And yes, voting is important. Of course, I will say that because I run a national voting rights organization, but voting is one of many steps, but taking the time to examine policy helps people cut through misinformation and disinformation that we see online. The final thought that I would add here is that look out. You're going to see an increase in foreign interference on information on online platforms. It's not just about the midterms, but for many people, we have started the march to 2028.
>> Robert, Roland, I think the conversation with Senator Waro was so important primarily because we I've dealt with a lot more Gen Z's recently and they are by far the most detached generation politically at their age uh of anything I can remember in recent memory. I I remember when we were all 22 years old out marching and protesting Bush's re-election, saying we're going to stop the Iraq war, uh saying that we were going to uh fight back against the genocide in Darur, those sorts of things. The the who Democrats have to realize this next generation is not interested in the same politics and policies of the past. You can't just simply roll out of bed and count on them to turn out. You have that to present to them policies that they believe in, things that will actually make their lives better and not just simply say how the other side is terrible. If you are 18 right now, you've been dealing with Donald Trump since you were 10 years old. I I mean uh you you you spent majority of your life with this presidency and therefore you don't understand what America is like beforehand. Pointing out the absurdity of Trump is no longer a winning strategy. You have to push forward the policies that you actually know will help the American people. And we have to get rid of this old guard that for some reason thinks we can play the same game again and again and again. This is a new post Obama radicalized young generation that's looking for leadership and is looking for bold and strong solutions and that's what's going to win going forward. Not simply recycling and retracting the same things we've done for the last 40 years.
Derek, >> you know, I absolutely agree with my dear friends that I shared the panel with uh this evening, but I'm going just take a different kind of pivot. I I'm happy that Senator Waro was able to deliver and and actually got this bill passed, right? because we as Democrats, we often tell every campaign election cycle um what we want to do, all the promises that we make, and unfortunately, we don't deliver. This is one that he delivered on. I mean, right here in Georgia, as he already articulated, one out of every four homes, Roland, owned by someone in on Wall Street. and and the the and our and our housing market has went through the roof. And so as we continue to articulate this this quality of life and this American dream here, Senator Waro was able to deliver, I think, a very hallmark piece of legislation to tell the American public, you do get out and vote and you vote for someone that align with your interest, we can deliver. And then hold them accountable to get that that particular thing done. And so that's I I enjoy um the fact that this housing act has been done in spite of the person that's in the oval office.
All right, folks. I got to go to a break. We come back, we're going to talk about a new research that shows where black voters stand in the wake of the Supreme Court's Louisiana vers Klay decision. We'll also be talking about uh the results of the Nolan Wales independent family autopsy. All of that right here, Roland Martin unfiltered right here on the Blackar Network.
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White nationalist rally that descended into deadly violence.
>> White people are losing their damn minds.
An angry proTrump mob storms the US capital.
>> We're about to see the rise of what I call white minority resistance. We have seen white folks in this country who simply cannot tolerate black folks voting.
>> I think what we're seeing is the inevitable result of violent denial.
>> This is part of American history. Every time that people of color have made progress, whether real or symbolic, there has been what Carol Anderson at Emory University calls white rage as a backlash.
>> Is the rise of the Proud Boys and the Booaloo Boys. America, there's going to be more of this.
>> There's all the Proud Boys, guys.
>> This country is getting increasingly racist in its behaviors and its attitudes because of the fear of white people. the fear that they're taking our jobs, they're taking our resources, they're taking our women. This is white fear.
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The Supreme Court's Louis Louisiana Louis versus Klay decision had a devastating impact on black political power. Already we've seen Republicans wipe out congressional and state seats and they plan to do more after the midterm elections. Well, where do black voters stand on this? How are they responding? how do they feel and is this going to be uh a significant significant uh turnout uh effort uh in November?
Joining us right now is uh Terrence Woodberry to share with us uh some research uh that he uh has been developing. Uh he is the uh president and founding partner of HIT strategies.
Uh glad to have him join us to talk about this here. So Terrence, take us through uh this new data that you now have.
Thank you so much for having me, Roland.
You know, we have long known that when people are upset, when they're pissed off, when they feel attacked, that these these resistance movements that they result in can win elections. Just like we saw in 2020 where the Black Lives Matter movement mobilized young people across America, delivering Democrats to victory. In 2022, we saw the same thing um with the abortion rights movement with young people again being mobilized to protect uh abortion rights in the in the wake of the DOS decision which prevented the red wave. And now in 2025 when we started watching these resistance movements whether it was the no kings movement or the ice out movement uh hit strategies began to observe that the that the complexion of these movements were changing and the age of these movements were changing.
They were just a little bit older and a little bit wider. And so we started to wanted to to observe what is what's going on with black folks. We we started the Black Ops uh coalition um anchored by a bunch of uh um uh black civil rights and uh and and voter engagement organizations. And what we found is that number one, black folks are engaging in this resistance movement. We're just we're engaging very differently.
Number two is that since the Cala decision uh that that gutted this the Voting Rights Act and began to uh systematically oppress black votes and black power across the South that black folks see what's happening that they are more engaged in what's happening. In fact, 65% of black folks say that uh that the attacks on voting rights across the South have made them more likely to vote. And we've seen activation, engagement that black people are taking actions now. In fact, 75% of black voters say that they've taken at least three actions to combat uh voter suppression. And that's up from 62% um of black people that have been activated this time last year. And so, look, we've long we've long said this, Roland. if if Republicans are going to try to oppress black votes, they better keep doing it privately in smoky chambers behind closed doors because once black folks find out about it, uh we we we respond in kind. And so we have seen this across the South. We know the South are not red states. They've just been oppressed states. And now what we're seeing in places like Georgia and in South Carolina where that oppression is front and center where state legislators have attempted to gut, you know, two black congressional seats in Georgia and the resistance movement stopped them. In South Carolina, they tried to snatch uh um Representative Klyber's seat and the resistance movement stopped them. And more importantly, Roland, what we're seeing is that in these Democratic primaries that have happened after the Cala decision in places like Georgia and South Carolina, that black voters are surging. And so, we recognize that our power is being attacked now and we're taking actions to protect it and not waiting until election day to protect that power, but taking action right now.
Um, when I think about um, generations, when I think about uh, what the numbers look like, um, I've often said this on this show, um, I really I really started watching this 36 years ago, 1990, was a junior at Texas&M University, and I was listening to the conversations of African African-Americans.
So I'm born November 14,68. My brother's born November 13th, 1967. He's a year ahead of me. So that generation.
So he goes to Texas A&M in 1986. I go in 1987.
So So we go to college. We go to college um 1819 years. This is how people deem don't understand the math. King gets killed in 68. So we literally were that first generation that was born and went to college after the death of MLK.
So I'm listening to conversations and what I'm looking at and realizing is that that generation is coming out of school first job actually making more money than many of our parents. And so I'm listening to terms of what they're paying attention to. And that's when I first started really saying, "Hey y'all, we better be mindful of this generational gap that we're that we're seeing." So, we go from baby boomers to Gen X, then we go from Gen X to millennials, then we go from millennials to Gen Z, and behind Gen Z is Gen Alpha.
So, your research pointed this out. You said that um black Gen Z, go to my iPad, are less likely than boomers to, this is what the research showed, black Gen Z are less likely than boomers to fight for freedom and racial justice, but black Gen Z are much less likely to fight for American democracy or the right to vote. 56% of black Gen Z believe that they do not have to defend democracy because it is not work for us compared to just 22% of black boomers.
Younger black voters are almost twice as likely to expect political violence 44% than older black voters. Now what jumps out is that when you and I talked I guess it was 2022 the election when you were talk we were talking about and you were saying how we have to use language differently. So go back go back to my iPad. So when I see that Gen Z are much less likely to fight for democracy or the right to vote, that means that when I think about Vice President Kla Harris's campaign, what was the centerpiece of the campaign? Fight for democracy.
>> Democracy.
>> What do you keep hearing people talk about? Fight for democracy or we got to fight for our right to vote. So the language that is being used actually is not appealing to the folk we need to turn out.
>> That's that's exactly exactly right, Roland. Look, uh it's not that and we've been, you know, we've been saying this since 2022 that Democrats have to stop defending democracy. Stop defending democracy. That is not a winning message. That does not mean that we abandon democracy, but young people, specifically Gen Z millennials, who have seen multiple candidates get the most votes and still lose, who have seen an insurrection, who have seen uh, you know, candidates refuse to accept the outcome of elections. These young people have had mixed results from democracy and they are not prepared to defend that. And so what we found is that while 81% of black boomers say it is black uh black baby boomers said it's important for them to defend democracy, only 50% of black Gen Z say it's important to defend democracy. So what that means is when we're talking about messaging, you have to if you're taking black people, you have to have black boomer messaging, black Gen X messaging, black millennial messaging, black Gen Z messaging. And the problem with these white strategists is that they just want to do one message to black people, that's it. And the candidates as well. And what I keep saying is like, no, you have to have a a microargeting strategy. And this also goes for black politicians and black groups. We have to be talking to different generations in a different way.
>> That's exactly right. I mean, that we've heard a lot about the gender gap in the black community, Roland, how black men show up different than black women, when in fact, the gender gap exists across every racial group in in every group.
Women vote different than men. Women show up more than men. And in the in the black community, that gender gap is smaller than it is in any other group.
But what is undermining our ability to to coales this resistance to really demonstrate the full force of black power is not the gender gap between black men and black women. It is the generation gap between older black voters and younger black voters where across every single metric whether it is, you know, how important is it to fight for democracy, how likely are you to vote, how uh how much do you approve of Donald Trump on every metric, younger black voters are 20 points uh away from older black voters. And so this is where we have to start solving um for the gap.
And a part of how we do that is by connecting the dots between the democracy the these kind of uh pain points of democracy uh and and how those and how they are impacting young people, black young voters um economically for example, right? We may want to talk about ICE occupying our cities or being deployed into American cities and that's fine as long as we are connecting that to the fact that that means that there's $75 billion of wasteful spending that could have been used to solve problems in your community. We can talk about an unconstitutional war in Iran. That's fine. But it's more important to talk about the fact that we're spending a billion dollars a day in Iran. almost $30 billion wasted and what Democrats would have solved with that money because this is I mean it comes down to how is this impacting me personally and all of these decisions all of these attacks on democracy on voting rights they have economic implications and we have to connect the dots um and show how these these decisions are yes they're undermining America's democracy but also they are hurting you your family and your community >> this right here jumped out at I mean, I found this to be really interesting.
Now, first of all, uh this is the actual just the the graph here, but I'm going to go down here. And when you talk about that black female divide, again, we have to deal with messaging. So, it says hurt you personally, not made a difference personally, help you personally. Men under 50, Trump's policies, hurt you personally, 39%.
Not made a difference, 40%.
help you personally 18%. Now we go women under 50 stark contrast. Hurt you personally 62%.
Not made a difference personally 24%.
Help you personally 9%. Let's go to men plus 50. Hurt you personally 69%.
So it jumps from that's right 39 to 69 when you go from men under 50 to men plus 50 not made a difference goes from 40 to 22 help you personally drops 18 to 8 now with same thing if we're talking about messaging and how do you talk so now if you're talking to black men the conversation to black men 50 plus is different than the ones who below that because again when you look at numbers who are the folks that have been getting laid off largely African-Americans who are 50 plus men and women federal workers others impacts of DEI and so again what it is saying is is that when we're talking about how do we communicate we have to be you know I'm thinking about the I forgot the guy's last name, but he's the author about about your love language. I mean, that's what this is all about. And all this is saying is you cannot continue with this sort of onesizefitsall.
That's that that worked from 19, let's just be honest, that worked from 68 to 2004.
Obama comes along, he completely changes all of it. He's an anomaly. So, you got to really take him out of 8 and 12 and you got to look at the elections since then. And so, the messaging has to be different.
>> That's exactly right, Roland. And you know what makes that quite easy is the internet. You know what makes it easy to target specific voters with a specific message is the internet and the fact that they're consuming all the information from the palm of their hand where they could be targeted. I mean think about what we're talking about.
We're talking about segmenting black men and black women as rudimentary as you know uh uh a rudimentary division as that when um it was what a decade ago that Cambridge Analytica was using data to target vote >> you know to to to isolate Brexit messaging per person not per demo or per group but per person isolation this is what we are combating we're combating uh uh the right the the the other side Republicans ans who are targeting young men with messaging, who are isolating and frankly um showing them messaging that none of us are really seeing or hearing because it's only in in the palm of their hand. And we are still trying to blanket uh blanket message as if we were only advertising on television as opposed to using the power of targeting on the internet.
young men. You know, when I look at the at the graph that you just put up, 18% of black men under 50 saying that Donald Trump's policies have helped them personally. Guess how many black men under the age of 50 voted for Donald Trump? 18%.
>> And that and that 18% that 18% help me personally, y'all. This just right here in the data. Women under 5,9 men plus 58 women 50 plus two defenders 8% acts 7% spectators 11%. So that that's the highest percentage out of all of those groups.
>> And look Roland keep that up for a second because I just want to draw this correlation. I'm going to get in the weeds a little bit here with correlations. But when you just look at that bottom row, black men under 50, 18% say that Donald Trump's policies have helped them personally. 18% voted for Donald Trump. Black men over 50, only eight% said that Donald Trump's policies to date have helped them personally. 8% of black men under 50 voted for Donald Trump. Look at black women over 50. Only 2% say that Trump's policies in his second term have helped them. Only 2% of black women voted for Donald Trump. I mean, it's a direct correlation. We have to now demonstrate how the actions of this federal government are hurting these black men personally and this and and the black ops research demonstrates how we do that. Um, last question for me then I'm going go to my panel. Um, as a part of this when when you were doing this um did did you did did you ask folk where they're getting their information from? Um, which also speaks to how we should be communicating with them.
>> Yes. So, we we dive a lot into where they're getting information, but also we dive into who the trusted messengers are, who they need to hear from. And there's there's a couple of things happening here. Number one, Barack Obama, Michelle Obama remain the most trusted messengers in the black community. That ain't gonna change no time soon. Um, but what's most important is who comes right after them, and that is people like me and people like you, right? They want to hear from their peers.
In this age of of kind of, you know, this splintered uh communications ecosystem where everyone is hearing a different message, everyone is reading a different message.
There it is. There Barack Obama. 51% of black voters say that he's the most trusted messenger. But right after Barack Obama are people like them. Their most trusted messenger are their friends, their family, their peers. And notably, and here's where we start getting into the media strategy, the influencers that they have chosen to follow and trust, those are their trusted messengers. Those are the people like them.
And so we have an opportunity and and all of these are twice as high as black celebrities um as black uh athletes as you know Jay-Z Beyonce all the folks Cardi B uh Meg the Stallion all the folks that we're going to throw on stage over the next 90 days when the people that they trust and and we should do that. I want to be clear celebrities break through the noise and get people's attention that are otherwise checked out of politics. But when it comes to changing what they believe, when it comes to making those 18% of young black men who say that Trump's policies have helped them, when it comes to changing those perceptions, they need to hear from their peers. They need to hear from other young black men. And the part of how we do that is by uh um hiring, enlisting the influencers. And I want to be clear, hiring them with money because that is what the right is doing. They are finding the the points of the centers of gravity on social media, on Tik Tok, on Instagram, and they are paying them to deliver this this black pill of annihilation that nothing is going to get better. No one has your back. You might as well withdraw. Just get money. Black women have done enough.
You are part of the 92%. That is the that is being fed and and targeted to these young voters. And we can only counter that with other influencers that they have already chosen to trust. It's the equivalent, Roland, of what we used to call feed in the streets, putting money on the streets in street teams. When we used to meet black men where they are, we were meeting them in barber shops. Well, now meeting them where they are is in the palm of their hand. And the pe the messengers that they trust, they already follow.
>> Oh, yeah. Listen, I mean those messages.
>> Listen, my friend brother Todd Brown hit me today. Uh, and uh, he he he said his his son uh, came home and he was like, "Yo." He said, "Man, why y'all didn't tell me about Roland Martin?" Cuz he said because his barber leaves the show on the moment he open he he he opens because we we have this show. We also have a 24-hour channel on YouTube that you can just put on and circulates and and he was talking about that. I've I I've got other so so the point is what I keep saying is you have to produce the content that makes it available to them.
And so and they're and so they're touching it in their own way. And so my whole deal is you have to be using it to be talking to them, reaching them, speaking to their issues. Uh we're going to be dropping uh I was going to have it ready, but we're changing our promo.
It's a new show we're launching that's specifically targeting black men. But the whole point is you have to have different messaging that resonates with them. So whether it's black men, black women, black men 50 plus under 18, 35 is is all that way. And you know, and like I had somebody and they were like, well, you know, man, you need to have brother told me he's like, well, you need to have this this this on your show reach younger people. And I actually said, no, you need to have a separate show that does that. And again, he wasn't understanding what I was trying to say.
I said, "You can't you can't do everything for everybody." I understand our core audience with this show is 45 plus. That's our core audience. So, we created the other side of change hosted by two millennials specifically for that. Again, folks media is totally different than I normally think about it. Uh, quickly, let me go to the panelists. Robert, your question for um, uh, Terrence.
Uh Terrence, I I think it's a really important conversation because often that we have this generational divide between uh before it was boomers and Gen Z and then it was uh generation X and gener uh and generation alpha, etc. Uh what do you think has to happen in order to create the type of messaging that will be broad-based enough to get all these disperate groups on the same page?
Uh you know, we're trying to get people who listen to both Pila and the City Girls to vote for the same people. What has to happen to get that messaging out there?
>> Never going to go on the same page. If >> I take it a step back, uh people, and this is something I I've continued to advise Democrats, is that when people are experiencing pain, frankly, when their lives seem to suck. They need to they need a reason for that pain. What And it can't just be because I ain't doing something right. I got the degree.
I went to school. I did all the things you told me to do and this still sucks. And those people need a pain. And young black men are experiencing a a separation and an isolation um uh struggling to enter into this workforce and to find their footing. And these are young black men that got degrees saddled with debt and still can't get a footing. Those young black men need a reason for that pain. And what Donald Trump does is comes along and tells them that the reason for your pain, he says says the same thing to young black men, the same thing to white rural men, the same that the reason for your pain is because of those other people that are getting what you deserve, those immigrants, those Muslims, those trans kids. And I think that Democrats, frankly, I don't know what reason we have given these young black men for why they're for for for why they're experiencing this kind of pain. Besides, the only reason I could think of in the last 10 years is Donald Trump, and they're just not buying that.
They they were experiencing this pain before Trump. In fact, we beat Trump.
Somebody else became president, and it still sucked. And now he's back, and it still sucks. At least, you know, to to the message that he's presenting, he is trying to get rid of the people that are causing that problem. I would argue that that one message that I know cuts across this generational divide. In fact, it cuts across every race and every gender.
Is that the reason that your life sucks is not because of the people that have less than you. It's because of the people that have way too damn much that are willing to take from you and from them so that they can have even more.
The people that are rigging the system against you. That is a message that resonates with 73 73% of America. Yep.
>> Not 73% of black America. 73% of Americans believe that corporations and billionaires are rigging the system against us. And so, Democrats have an opportunity to own that message. Um, and then to really begin to hold these corporations accountable uh for for the speech are rigging the system.
>> Derek, >> Terrence, great to see you again. Uh, listen, I my question is around the primary versus the general election. Um, when I look at the primaries, uh, the the the turnout is so extremely low. I mean, I know we continue to talk about they're coming to take your your voting rights and voter suppression and all that. And here in Georgia, we were talking about record-breaking this and that and the other based on last year.
Well, our turnout, Terrence, was only 28%.
72% stayed home. And so when you have 2.5 million black voters right here in Georgia, >> what can we do to cut through this this this low voter turnout? And I get the messaging piece, but it seemed like there's something else. It's not just restricting that we continue to pass in Georgia. It's not just talking about democracy or they coming to take your voting rights there. We got to be able to cut through this low voter turnout.
And then the last thing but not least, I would love to see your data around name ID because we seem to hang our hats on name ID because I guarantee you if you asked back in 2007, will you believe in Barack Obama? The the answer would not be 51% like it is today.
>> That's right. That's right. You're spot on. Uh you are spot on. So um uh you know, Georgia is priority number one for me in 2026. In fact, I have moved to Atlanta to help a black woman and a young mill a black woman become governor and a young millennial get reelected um to the US Senate. And I do think that those two, you know, one of the things that we have seen is that candidate selection matters. You know, when you when you have candidates that represent the broad uh diversity of the coalition, that speak to the lived experience of people and that can tell you why your life sucks because I am experiencing it too because my children are experiencing it too because my siblings are experiencing it too. That is a very very different proposition uh than what they've been experiencing. And so I do think that's going to be important in Georgia. Uh I would also argue that you know this is investment. It's going to it's going to take resources and we we've done this analysis cycle over cycle where turnout in battleground states where hund00 million is being spent um is double digit 10 20 uh points higher than it is uh in in states where we're not investing and so Georgia is going to be a very high investment state. Uh but then the last thing I would say is we are seeing that black approval rating of Donald Trump has plummeted back down to five or 6%. It was as high as 20 to 25% at the beginning of this second term. And but the problem is that as his approval rating has plummeted, you know, as they've become anti-Trump, they have not become pro-democrat. Um, and so this is why I encourage Democrats, especially in places like Georgia where a lot of money is about to be spent, to give voters something to vote for and not just something to vote against. They know Republicans suck. They know Donald Trump is terrible. They know MAGA is is attacking them. They need to know what Democrats are going to do for them.
>> Rebecca, >> hey Terrence, it's good to see you. I owe you a phone call.
>> Yes, you do. So, and I'll be in Georgia next week. So, I'm reading Ella Baker's um biography, especially as she's talking about participatory democracy.
>> Is that the Barbara Rans book?
>> Black hierarchy.
>> The Barbara Rans book.
>> Okay. Go ahead.
>> Yep.
Especially as she's challenging black hierarchy. I'm raising this because when I look at influencers online on behalf of the party or on behalf of candidates, when I look at celebrities, when I look at black churches, black fraternities and sororities, that has been the way in which the black establishment has said, "Okay, this is how we're going to organize the black community." It's not working. So, how do we get the black entrenched establishment to understand that we have to get everyday black people involved into this thing if we're actually going to do something to move our communities forward?
>> Uh, luckily, you know, I I frankly I I don't know how we convince the Democratic establishment to do things differently without replacing more of them. Frankly, I'm going to get in trouble for saying that. But that is why it is so important for organizations like yours, for organiza, for grassroots organizations across the country, Block Wisconsin and uh Detroit Action and Power Pennsylvania and top Texas organizing that all of these uh these groups that have become a center of gravity in our community. um that they are funded, that they are uh that they are well resourced because they are doing a lot of the work um that state parties used to do and so you know as as the national party I believe is kind of in a soul search for the brand of the party that I don't know will be answered until 2028 um that that we just have to make sure that the groups that are on the ground that have demonstrated a proof of uh of progress that that have been on campuses the way you have organizing and mobilizing and registering young people that those groups are actually well funded because that's where the work is happening.
>> All right. Uh Terrence, uh where can people go to check out all of the research?
>> Yeah, please uh check out the Black Ops Project. We've been conducting this research for the past year. Focus groups polls, toplines, uh every all the focus group clips can be found at www.hitstrat.com um backblacks.
Uh, and please, I I really encourage you to listen to some of these focus group clips, listen to the pain in these black voters instead of us talking about these black voters.
>> Well, what we'll do is uh we'll also um we'll we'll we'll pull some of that so we can actually share this so people can actually see it and understand it.
Terrence, we appreciate it. Thanks a lot.
>> Thank you, brother.
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The family, Kadir Skinner, is calling for criminal charges against the police officer who shot and killed a black 19-year-old in Wilmington, Delaware. We went to police have previously said that around 11 p.m. on June 24th, Skinner came out of his home and waved a gun at a crowd, prompting officers to open fire. However, Skinner's family insists that he was running away from a loose dog. Many are calling for justice on behalf of Skinner, including black clergy leaders. During a virtual news conference on Tuesday, Bishop William Barber demanded transparency and a fairness in this census killing of another young black man. that this is not a just an isolated incident. Number two, we must call for even members of the police community that know things to come forward. This is not a time to for the police to be in solidarity with wrong. If you know wrong was done, then you need to step up along with these men and women of God of all faith. Number three, this is about humanity. Wallace is a 19-year-old black man. Anybody, black boy, teenager, baby to most of us, uh, anybody that that's not concerned about somebody being shot in the back, uh, has lost some of your humanity. And then finally, uh, uh, as Pastor Bland will say, on August 24th, we're having a mass commun.
You say, "Well, why is it the 24th? Why not immediately?" because we're going to make it strong and big and powerful to show that this community is not going to be on fire and be concerned for two days or three days or one week and then back away. That's not who you're dealing with in these brothers and sisters. That's not who you're dealing with in Pastor BL. Not who you're dealing with with uh Attorney Daniels and and and others.
This is s we you have to stick and stay because Kadilla at 19 not 20 not 21 at 19 he wasn't robbed in a bank but he was shot in the back. He wasn't resisting arrest but he was shot in the back. He wasn't committing a crime but he was shot in the back. He wasn't beating somebody down. He was shot in the back.
He was shot in the back and killed and did not die immediately. and then died over time, died without getting the treatment that maybe could have saved his life. What we believe at this point is an unnecessary, unprovoked uh immoral uh uh shooting of a 19-year-old keep saying it in the back. And Pastor Bland told me that that piece troubles the whole nation. Pastor BL every time we tell other people they say well what he was in the back >> at 19 and then laid and then died later.
So Pastor Bland um we know that we're standing in solid people all over. Uh there has to be justice. There has to be truth. There has to be transparency.
Folks joining us right now is Harry Daniels uh the attorney uh for the family. Uh Harry, glad to have you here.
Now the Now the Women Police Department, they released body camera footage from three officers showing three different perspectives of what took place. The first video is apparently from the officer who actually shot Kadir. Y'all can actually roll that. Walk us through uh your perspective in terms of what you and the family are saying with what happened here.
>> Thanks for having me, Roland. Uh on the night of the incident, a officer uh well two officers in a patrol vehicle and they was uh I guess patrolling the area.
I don't we don't know exactly what was their purpose uh for their presence in in that neighborhood but at some point they saw Kadir running uh the cop uh the police uh patrol vehicle stopped uh both officer exit the vehicle and started to give chase uh to Kadir. Uh in the video at the beginning of the video if you slow it down you can see Kadir running from a dog. In fact, we have witnesses statements that in fact uh corroborated the video before we even saw the video that he was walking down the street, turned a corner, and a vicious dog got loose and he took off running. And simultaneously, these cops pulled up and kind of did a a road stop. Uh at at some point while Kadir is running, the officer pulls his a firearm and fired three shots, striking Kadir in the back.
Um what we do know is that he was shot in the back. He's running from the police. Uh we have all witnesses to that account. Uh that that not just the video alone but cooperates what's on the video and cooperates the physical evidence here. Uh the Williams Police Department initially came out and said the Kadir came out of house uh pointed a gun at a crowd of people that prompted the officer to give chase. And if you can see in the video there, you can kind of see the dog running. You can see the dog running behind him. Uh that's not true.
The the second video shows a better vantage point of what's what's down the street and the the direction where Kadir's running from. And that clearly showed that he was not in a in the in in any way and form coming out of the house pointed pointed weapon at a dog, anything in the capacity. Uh a a gun was recovered uh away from his body. Uh that gun was handled, picked up. Uh but as we stated before, >> uh looks like we lost Harry there. We'll hope to get him uh back to um to further explain. Uh folks, uh there are other angles. Here's a third angle from the third officer who arrived on the scene.
Let's go ahead and roll that. Uh and so again, so there have been three different videos that have been released uh showing Roll the video, please. three different videos that have been released uh different angles of what took place uh on on that night. Uh and again uh what what you are what you are hearing from this family is that uh you know they they want justice. Um, you know, unfortunately, we have seen far too many of these cases, Robert, uh, where, let's just be clear, benefit of the doubt often goes to the police officer, uh, and then when they put out there, there's a gun on the scene, people just automatically go, "Yep, there you go.
He's guilty. Move on."
Well, this is one of the most important things that came out of President Obama's uh 21st century century policing policy, which is the proliferation that we've now seen of both body cam footage, but also the general public understanding that when you see an u an encounter of this nature, start filming immediately. Uh we we can go back 40 years to Rodney King and people understand the importance of video in these situations. Uh, I was with Reverend Jackson um with uh at the Ahmad Aubrey hearing u when the lawyer said, "Well, we don't want to have Jesse Jackson here on Monday." I was the person in charge of making sure Reverend Jackson was there on Monday to walk into court. And talking to the jurors in those cases, it was the video that was dispositive because at the end of the day, law enforcement still has this benefit of the doubt, this still belief.
There's still many people, particularly white people in this country, that believe law enforcement there to protect and serve. they believe their word above anything else unless you have photo and videographic evidence to disprove that.
Uh so until we can somehow uh create some kind kind of technology where every black boy has a drone that follows them 24 hours a day, seven days a week uh to film them, we have to start working society to break down this presumption of uh uh of innocence and presumptive truth on the part of law enforcement.
There's a reason police reports are not admissible in court. They're fundamentally unreliable. uh they cannot be uh trusted on their own without cooperating evidence. And this is why it's so crucial that we are that we get jurors that we get a court system that believes people the first time without having to have a surveillance satellite overhead to prove what we're saying is true.
>> We've got Harry Daniels back. Harry, you about to making a point that before we got cut off?
>> Yeah. So, at no point was Kadir a threat to anyone uh or the officer. Uh he was clearly running. We have we have have have screenshotted slowed this video down. The experts looked at it and you can clearly see at the time this officer discharged his firearm he's shooting caner in the back. Roland one thing that stood out to us is the the narrative and I think my good friend Robert Patello was talking about that is the police report and the narrative that was given initially that Kadir came out of the house with a gun and pointed a gun in a crowd. Well, that's simply not true.
That's simply not the case. It didn't happen. And that account came from the shooting officer of what uh he said transpired. Here's the thing. It's our position that he didn't have reason suspicion the proper cause to even give chase to Kadir. The Supreme Court Supreme Court of the United States have made it very clear right to walk away.
You have the right to run away. In this case, Kadir was not running from the police. He was running from a dog. A dog that in that neighborhood when we came that neighborhood, spoke to witnesses.
There's a big sign on the window say beware of dog. That dog to be beware of showed himself and he got away from his owner and Kadir took took flight and took off running. Well, we don't believe Kadir even knew the officer was behind him. So, you know, you got this this thing riding while black, you know, uh swimming while black, uh shopping while black. Now you got running running from a dog while black can be subjecting you to uh being shot in the back. You know, I don't want to sound cliches, but it is what it is. The evidence, the autopsy, the the evidence shows that he was running and shot in the back as Bishop Barber stated. And this this case have garnered a lot of attention, national attention. The people in Wilmington, Delaware are protesting daily. Uh we was able to get this video released. Uh the attorney general released this video, these videos, and it shows exactly what these witnesses have already stated. Uh this this is this is I mean we talked about these things being epidemics but you see it over and over again in cases that myself and my colleague Benjamin Crump and Chance Lanch we represent people across this nation and you have these egregious acts by law enforcement thinking that they can just shoot a black man simply because he's running and that's not the case. So we we stand with his family the clergy the national clergy stand with his family and pursue this case u until we get a result for this family. All right then, Harry Daniels. We certainly appreciate it.
Thanks a lot.
>> Thanks, Roland. Take care.
>> Folks, today in Chicago, the NAACP convention, uh, civil rights attorney Ben Crump joined the family of Nolan Wales where they laid out uh, their findings of an independent autopsy that was done on the body of the 18year-old here in Washington DC.
As in the case with Nolan Wales at the time of this report, this forensic pathologist does not know the condition of Nolan Wales.
He did not know whether he was conscious or unconscious when he entered the water.
He said that would be significant.
He said he did not know whether he was forced into the water or unforced into the water. He said that would be significant. So he said the condition of Nolan Wales before he entered the water would be the crux of the matter. It would be of utmost importance to being able to determine a cause and manner of death.
He said definitive circumstances of death are required to determine the manner of death.
For these reasons, this pathologist cannot rule out and let me really call your attention to this. For these reasons, this pathologist cannot rule out if any intervening nonacal factors contributed to or caused the death of Nolan Wales.
Very open.
He says, "However, dissection of the back of the head during the layered posterior neck dissection revealed a 12x 8 in focal area. A rare discoloration in the deep soft tissues overlaying the oipital bone and He talked about how he found red discoloration when he cut open into the back of his head towards those oipital bone and he saw the red discoloration and we actually saw the pictures of it.
It's significant. you you can't help but notice why is this dark red here in the back of his head. And so he was important to note that in his report.
He said the ideology of this finding is unclear.
There are no lacerations of the overlaying skin nor fractures of the underlying skull.
These findings are inconclusive for permortal injury due to the body due to both the extensive decomposition and the absence of associated injuries. This finding, however, is significant enough to be highlighted in this preliminary report for further investigation.
It is important to reiterate that the finding could not have been observed in the first autopsy because the posterior head and neck dissection were not performed.
He said another limitation move this back here. Another limitation faced by this forensic pathologist was the absence of the anterior internal neck structures.
The trachea and the laryng cartilage, the thyroid horn and the hyoid bone were not received with the body.
So he's saying that the throat was not received with the body when he got Nolan Wells body in Washington DC to perform the second autopsy.
And so let's discuss that with what he said about that.
He said it is assumed that the initial pathologist retained these structures for additional evaluation.
He said the retention of the anterior neck structures during an initial autopsy is a common forensic pathology practice. He was chief medical examiner for seven years in Washington DC and he said that if they had concern about throat or any fracture or compression of the throat they too will hold them back.
He doesn't know why they held the throat back but he said the throat was not with the body of Nolan Wales when he received it in Washington DC to perform the second autopsy.
He said, "Nevertheless, a posterior neck dissection performed without review of the anterior neck structures is incomplete.
Therefore, this pathologist cannot rule out injury to the neck as a contributing a contributor or a cause of death." He said he would need to have the medical examiner in Mississippi allow him to review the throat. That's why he said his autopsy is undetermined pending investigation. Remember, it's about transparency.
>> So, folks, uh so it was very interesting uh looking at um some of the comments from people trying to understand what took place as to why they went to Chicago. Let let me help some people out. Um Nolan Wells was killed in DC.
Excuse me. Killed in Mississippi. The NAACP Nash Kovich is in Chicago. Emit Thiel is from Chicago was killed in Mississippi. So again, if you understand the history of the NAACP, they've long been involved in cases like this. So I I don't understand why people and and I am totally befuddled by the sheer stupidity of people on threads and Twitter who are complaining about Ben Crump. Oh, we don't like how he talks. He doesn't win cases. It's like they have no idea what the hell happens in these cases. And we reached out to Dr. Mitchell to join us on the show, but he declined because it's an ongoing investigation. Uh and again, we've been covering this and and Robert, again, uh it's it's a lot of conversation. people have a lot of conversation, but it is an ongoing investigation. Uh, and uh, and so what we are continuing to see is trying to get answers as to what the hell happened.
And I think that's what's most important in this case, these questions. Uh, I spoke with the family of Kendrick Johnson recently, uh, who had very similar circumstance of a young black man who ends up dead and mysteriously nobody knows anything about what has happened to anybody. Everyone gets real quiet. you're dealing with small town politics, small town uh law enforcement, small town judges, etc. Uh and the families often end up never getting justice or never getting a satisfactory answer. And this is what is so significant right now about not having an operational department of justice.
It's one thing to see what they're doing with the Epstein files, one what they're doing with uh other investigations, but not having an operational depart or division of civil rights in the Justice Department uh is perhaps the most tragic part of what's going on with this extreme AGA agenda because we normally would have a federal backs stop where local jurisdictions were uh were intrigent uh if local officials were recalent, you'd have the Department of Justice and the FBI that could step in uh as you saw with Cheney uh and Schwarner and Grder in the 1960s. Uh now this is going to be very much on the uh family and on outside organizations uh to donate to prov to not only determine what happened with this autopsy but find out what happened in that crucial first 48 hours to determine how exactly did the messages get deleted off his phone?
What uh pictures or videos are still out there on some cloud or someone's cell phone that might be dispositive? Where exactly this young boy's throat at? And and how is that missing from the body?
there there are more questions are being raised by the day and the uh the the compulsion of local jurisdictions to simply try to sweep these things under the rug. We have seen time and time again that once you start shining light on this, once you start bringing national attention, you get answers and the fact that we don't have a Department of Justice or FBI right now that can help us means that we have to depend on ourselves to fight this fight.
>> Rebecca, >> so um you know, I want to shout out Dr. Roger Mitchell. He is the only black male chief medical examiner in the country. I'm going to say that again. He is the only black male chief medical examiner in the country. And because of his scientific knowledge and because of his medical training, he has really pushed the envelope for civil rights and for making sure that black and brown families, especially black families, um receive answers. that is the very reason why Nolan's body came here to DC because this is where Dr. Roger Mitchell um resides. Um and I think it's important to say that because this is another reason why we need more black people going into that particular profession.
I've sat on panels with him where he's gone through the criminal legal system and he's talked about um deaths while people were incarcerated and often times he went into those prisons and he was able to conduct um many of those autopsies to show that there's been systemic issues especially towards black people, black men um with who are um incarcerated and who die in custody. Um, but that said, yes, Robert's right.
There's so many questions that are left.
Even the question about the throat. I I heard a uh medical doctor um speak on it earlier saying that sometimes if you're still doing an investigation, then certain body parts might not go to the second um to the second or third or to the subsequent um um medical examiner examining the body. However, Dr. Roger Mitchell did this examination I think 10 10 at least 10 days ago and we've seen that this autopsy has been released. Mississippi has had it longer.
So even if they were keeping the throat longer to cont to pursue additional investigation, why haven't that information been made public? Why hasn't that throat then been shipped to DC for Dr. Mitchell to complete um his examination um of the body? There's too many questions and we know and and I I I know there are different like I'm an attorney. I know there's many attorneys who are reluctant to provide a conclusion on this and that's that's responsible. But I will say this having my family been in this country for centuries and seen things like this happen over and over. the ancestors are speaking here and I don't think that it was just a simple accident in the way in which um the initial reports or within an hour the sheriff's department saying oh there's no there's no foul play found. How can you say that when the body um is still barely cold when there hasn't been um public um findings from the original autopsy?
>> Derek, >> yeah, I'mma pick up where Rebecca left off. I mean, it was problematic for me as a father of seven, four daughters and three sons to hear a sheriff to say, "There's no foul play here." H how is there no foul play? Because if the roles were were reversed, Roland, if it was three young black men and and one white boy, four went over and three came back, their cell phones would have been confiscated. they would have been interrogated for hours on on end. Um it would have been a thorough investigation from beginning to end. And so this has been problematic from the time the sheriff said there's no foul play. And I get all the other players that the the the parents of the other three boys. Uh they're very strong and and political in nature, but what about Nolan Wells family? I'm gonna keep coming back to that. We continue to watch this twotier justice system from 1619 to 2026.
How many times do we need to say Roland enough is enough? And that's the part that from Cadir Skinner, um Eric Gardner, Bana Taylor, the list continues. These families demand justice and when you continue to have more questions than answers, we're going to get the response that we currently have.
>> Indeed. Indeed, we're to continue to cover uh this story, give you the latest and again I need people to understand there's a lot of conversation around this. We don't have much information.
We don't have much information. So our objective is to give you real credible information. So whatever is the latest, what's new, we'll actually have that for you. Got to go to a break. We come back, Texas Governor Greg Abbott chastises Texas Representative James Telerico, saying he has policies that don't help black black folks, black Texans.
Uh, ever looked in the mirror, Greg Abbott?
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Folks, on Sunday and Monday, Texas State Representative James Celerico, the Democratic candidate for United States Senate, held forums in Houston and Dallas speaking to black voters. We streamed the event on in Dallas on Monday's show. Uh he of course is uh running against uh the corrupt Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton. Uh and obviously black voters are key. Texas has more eligible black voters in the state than any state in the country.
Well, Texas Governor Greg Abbott decides to go on Fox News and weigh in on this very issue in terms of Telerico and black voters.
>> Do you believe the radicalism of Telerico is getting out there? Uh, has it entered the consciousness of most voters in Texas?
>> Not adequately. Uh the fact of the matter is Terrio has been on a tour across the state of Texas lying to Texans about who he is and what his record is. The fact of the matter is if you just look at the votes that he has cast in the Texas legislature, he's he is either the or second most liberal leftist progressive uh in the Texas legislature advocating all those ideas that you just mentioned there in your comments. Uh the fact is also you you saw him be asked that question about crossdressing uh by African-Americans.
The fact of the matter is his beliefs about transgender ideology are contrary to where the vast majority of the black community is in Texas and probably across the entire country. Terico has a problem with the black community that goes back to the time when there was the divide between Terico and Jasmine Crockett. But also that divide is fundamental ideological because the black community doesn't support these transgender ideas. The black community is heavily connected to faith and religion and they are against all of his ideas about sanctuary city policies and welcoming people from coming across the border illegally. They say, "What about our community? We've been here all along. Why are you giving free things away to these people crossing the border illegally?"
>> Wow. I didn't realize that Greg Abbott cares so much about black people. That's interesting because consider considering black people in Texas despise Greg Abbott and his policies. Now, he referenced the question being asked about transgender at the town hall. The black No, it wasn't black voters that asked the question. It was a black woman that asked the question who happens to be a Republican. Yeah, she actually was outed later on as to who she is. Uh and and so again, here he is uh running his mouth on this. Well, Congressman Christian Miny of Houston uh decided to weigh in on this. Uh and this is what he said on Twitter. He said um running Congressman out of Texas here running down Greg Abbott's rap sheet with black Texans for those who aren't familiar signed a mail ballot law that got black voters rejected at far higher rates than white voters. pushed a voter ID law struck down as racially discriminatory by one of the most conservative appeals courts in the country. Redrrew our congressional map and eliminated a black district in Houston, also a black district in Dallas, ended race conscious hiring at state agencies and universities. Appointed the guy who killed the state's minorityowned business certification program. Refuses to expand Medicaid, leaving over a million low-income Texas, mostly black and Hispanic, without health insurance.
ban schools from teaching about institutional racism. Pardon, a bigot who murdered a black activist but wouldn't give George Floyd aostumous pardon even after his own parole board recommended it. Left Texas 18, a historically black district without a voice in Congress for nearly a year.
Sued by the NAACP over voting restrictions again and again. Greg Abbott, that's your record. You don't get to speak for black Texans. We all know you couldn't care less about us and you actively harm our communities. Sit this one out. Joining me right now is uh Isaiah Martin, a political uh commentator, content creator. Glad to have you here. Uh let me also remind people that the Biden administration uh was set the department of HUD was set to sue Texas uh because uh they actually uh held back a billion dollars from Harris County and said that that hurt lowincome communities. Isaiah, you you you're there in Houston. He ran for Congress.
I'm born and raised in Houston. Greg Abbott, uh, who also with a was pissed off with a black mayor in Houston and Sylvester Turner, uh, a a Hispanic woman county judge, Lena Halgo, and so they purposely targeted Harris County, withheld resources, and those sort of different things. So, black Greg Abbott don't give a damn about black Texans.
>> Absolutely not. And I just think that it's absolutely hilarious for him to position himself as any type of authority on this issue whatsoever because everywhere I go, black Texans and just Texans in general, uh, whenever I visit Houston, uh, say that they're sick of these price increases as a result of the tariffs that Trump has put on everything. They're sick of the fact that we're fighting a dumb war because Trump went and got us into it. Now, ultimately, Greg Abbott has his hand in all of these things because he's supported candidates that are rubber stamps on all of these policies and has been absolutely a disaster. So, look, I think that Texans across uh of all sides of the spectrum see that uh Greg Abbott is certainly not one to be able to comment on any of that stuff because he's he's supported people that have made this economy worse and he himself is pushing policies uh that makes this economy a lot worse for everybody. Greg Abbott also supported a corrupt attorney general who his own Republicans wanted to impeach.
>> That's right. I mean, you know how bad you got to be to get impeached by your own party in Texas. I mean, Texas has some of the most extreme Republicans known to man. And if they are trying to impeach uh someone like Ken Paxton, I think that speaks a lot about what kind of person he is.
>> About what Telerico has to do. First of all, um, a poll came out showing that he's performing better among African-Americans than Better Rug was at this time than Congressman and then Congressman Colin Red. And so, as anybody who understands when you run, especially statewide, there's a buildup to how you begin to reach out. Uh, he announced he's going to be investing some $25 million in African-American uh, turnout in in different ways. Uh, and so how would you assess thus far this black outreach?
>> You know, look, I I think that he has done uh, you know, he's working to expand his coalition. When I talk to my friends, I think that they sound very clear that they don't want to put someone on uh, in the Senate that's going to rubber stamp another Clarence Thomas getting on the court. I mean, that's really, I think, a top- of- mind issue. So, look, I think that Taler Rico has got to go out there and reach people from all sides of uh the state, but I think the ultimate reality here is that black voters time and time again have understood the threats that Republicans have put up, and I think they're going to make that same determination again. I think Terrier has got to get into more black churches. I think he's got to be able to go and reach people uh that don't go to church as well. But also, you know, I just think that the message is one of the principal focuses of being in the United States Senate is appointing people to the Supreme Court.
If someone like Ken Paxton gets in there, he will put another Clarence Thomas on the court. And what does that mean? More roll backs of uh the protections that have uh uh prevented a lot of the canc, you know, the pollution inside of our neighborhoods. it's going to result in uh someone who's going to rubber stamp in all these tariffs that goes forward. That is a principal focus and I know that Terico will vote against any of these uh these judges that someone like Trump puts up there uh moving forward.
>> What was also more hilarious u here's Abbott talking about where Terico is in black Texans and Ken Paxton uh his entire agenda uh has been putting a bullseye on black people. Ken Paxton has not been a friend to black Texans. And if he's in the United States Senate, he damn sure is not going to support civil rights. He's not going to support expansive opportunities for black businesses. And we can go down the line on things that he he will not be supporting at all.
>> That's right. I mean, 100%. whether it's it's supporting language and contracts that help black businesses go and get additional contracts. You know, that's a really big focus uh of legislators, particularly in Congress, to go create these grant programs uh that are available for people. So, ultimately, Ken Paxton will be no friend to the black community. I think that people understand that very clearly, but it's just making sure that that that message gets communicated to people. But, you know, the other thing is that I think it's important to yes, call out the things that Ken Paxton uh that we are against that Ken Paxton supports, but also talk about the things that Taler Rico can do for us. Terico will be a vote to go and expand the Affordable Care Act, which is going to reduce prices for folks at home because we already know that health insurance premiums are up by more than 26% this year. We know that Terico will be a vote against these ridiculous tariffs uh that are raising costs at the grocery store for business owners and everything else.
That's something that is going to go and save people money directly. So, I think it's important to talk about yes, why we don't like Kim Paxton, but voting for Terico is also going to put more money in your pocket uh by supporting policies that's going to do that uh for affordability. Uh and and and just in case folks uh don't realize this, uh the Texas Public Opinion research poll came out uh in um Gina Hinosa, who's running against Greg Abbott uh for governor. Uh there's a 57 point difference between her and Abbott among African-Americans.
Um uh so uh Greg Abbott, you have a black problem.
>> Yeah. Yeah, he 100% does and he always has. I mean, that's the thing, like, you know, the belief that anybody would go listen to Greg Abbott on Fox News and say that, wow, you know, this is a guy who's a champion for black voters is just absurd. You know, it's just the audacity of this guy. But like I said, I I know that black voters see through this stuff. And I think that ultimately um going out there communicating an affirmative vision for what uh people will get with someone like Terico in the Senate and Jenna Henosa in the governor's mansion, I think is going to be really important moving forward. One of the things that I have tried to also make clear to people is that and listen, the primary was in March. There are a lot of folks who supported uh Congressman Jasmine Crockett. And uh look, I voted for her. I got no problem actually saying it. She was my member of Congress. I'm still registered in the 30th congressional district uh in Texas.
But the reality is she lost. She lost.
The primary is over. You have a general election. And so now the question is who's a Democratic candidate? Who's a Republican candidate? and which of those people are going to be in the best interest of black voters. Uh to me, it ain't even a conversation uh between Teler Rico and Paxton. Like ain't even a conversation. I mean, Paxton can't even figure out what house he votes from, but he wants to talk about voter fraud.
>> But the thing but and so what is what has been offensive to me is listening to people who ain't even from Texas, okay?
including black folks weighing in and essentially telling black folks, uh, yeah, we good. If Paxton wins, we ain't supporting Ter Rico. And I'm like, first of all, who the is we? Here's what I here's what I know. My 79year-old daddy and my mama who will be 79 in November living in Texas. My brother, his wife, two kids, still in Texas. My sister, her husband, and her four kids still in Texas. My sister and her husband and her two kids still in Texas. Uh, of my 13 nieces and nephews, 12 of them are still in Texas. So, I need people who are not from Texas to frankly shut the up when talking about these races because it is is you can bring in Gaza, you can bring in Israel, you can bring in uh financial uh you can foreign aid, you can bring what's happening in Iran, you can bring in all these things. But as a 57 as a 57 year old native Texan, I see what the hell is going on in my home state and damn Ken Paxton being my next United States senator.
>> I know that's right. I mean, I think that ultimately, like you said, the primary is over. It is never going to change. So, the reality is is that the choice is between Ken Paxton and James Salarico. And so, look, you know, you got a lot of people from all parts of the country that want to opine or whatever, but until you've gone and you've met that person that lives inside uh of Trinity Gardens that is faced with um cancer clusters as a result of Republican policies and deregulation that's allowed these companies to go and pollute our air and drinking water and everything else. Until someone's actually met someone like that, I don't think they really should be really opining. And the reality is putting someone like Ken Paxton is going to endanger the lives of everybody that lives in Texas. It's really just that simple. And I'll tell you what, putting another Clarence Thomas on the court for literally 40 more years is going to be quite literally the most disastrous thing that anybody could have ever imagined. So look, it's a binary choice you've got between James Terico uh or Ken Paxton. I think that the person that's going to be a vote against tariffs, a vote against the next Clarence Thomas, a vote to make sure that we can expand the Affordable Care Act to go and make sure that health care is given to everybody, a vote to make sure that we protect Social Security and expand it instead of trying to constantly take it away. That is exponentially better than someone who's going to vote to send trillions of more tax dollars to the richest people on earth. Vote to go and send us into more war. That's going to cost the American taxpayer more and more money. and someone who's absolutely going to go forward and continue uh the rampage against blackowned businesses, American businesses in general. I think that's a no-brainer and we cannot allow uh for folks that are paid agitators to try to go and uh make mess that point up. You know, I think that even if you look even further during the presidential election, we understood that the choice was between Kla Harris and Donald Trump.
Look at the effects of what that's done.
a vote for for sitting on the sidelines has resulted in more price raises.
That's resulted in a destruction of the American economy and has absolutely pushed our allies further and further away. That choice is now upon Texas voters. You cannot allow for for disagreements in a primary to change whether or not you're going to vote for someone who agrees with you on 95% of the issues. James Tarico is the obvious choice to me to go to the United States Senate. And I think that Texans have to go and vote accordingly in November.
>> Go to my panel. Derek, you first.
>> Yeah. Listen, Isaiah. I I certainly agree with you and and and my dear brother. Uh but my question is this, right? Um cuz Texas is is is could be very pivotal when when you think about Teler Rico winning and that that one Senate seat can influence and impact in the entire United States. What can we do in the other southern states because we have our fight over here in Georgia trying to get us off uh to reelect it. What can we do to collaborate between Texas, Georgia, Louisiana, uh Gary Chambers doing his thing? I I think there's strength if we collaborate along these 11 southern states.
>> Yeah, you know, I absolutely agree with that. I think that um you know, they've got John Oaf has been a great senator in Georgia. You know, Jamie Davis is running for the United States Senate uh in Louisiana. And I think that there has to be support there. And I think there also has to be support for Terico. I think there has to be a slate because we have to understand that all three of these candidates have something in common. They are against the tariffs that are raising prices for Americans.
They are against uh what's being done to get rid of the ACA subsidies that's making you at home pay more for things.
So understanding that if you like OAF, well, you're also going to like Jamie Davis, you're also going to like James Salarico because they support policies that's going to put more money in your pocket. I think we have to communicate that uh to folks far and wide.
>> Rebecca, >> hey Isaiah, I I hear your analysis, but I don't think it addresses um some of the data and some of the focus groups that Terrence Woodbury um has been producing over the last couple years for people who do plan to vote. Um looking at the choice between Taler Rico um versus Paxton. Okay, cool. Right. I I understand that. But there are people who have done all the right things. They showed up to vote. Their life hasn't gotten better. Um they went to school, they got a bunch of debt, they vote, and it's still hard making ends meet. Um there are people who are literally dealing with life and death issues right now. People who are trying to figure out where their next meal is going to come from. And so even though yes, I lead a national voting organization, I understand voting is a privilege.
It's a privilege when you're going into the ballot box, that's what you're thinking about versus there are other people there are people who are dealing with major life issues and voting doesn't make their top 10. So for those people, what is the messaging for those people for why they should still participate in a system that hasn't been delivering for them?
Well, first and foremost, I would say that without voting, we never would have gotten the Affordable Care Act across the finish line. And I know about a time in which people were kicked off of their health insurance if they had a pre-existing condition. At one point, pregnancy was considered a pre-existing condition. So many people were not able to get health care. But because people organized and because people voted, President Obama was able to get into office and to push that across the finish line. That is a direct change that happened as a result of that. So many blackowned businesses can tell you about a time uh in which they could not get as much uh direct investment from the federal government. Records amount of federal funding flow to the pockets of blackowned businesses as a result of the policies enacted by President Biden and the previous administration. So look, I I think that ultimately what we have to talk about is what people get in return for their vote because I do believe that voting is transactional. I think that an understanding and a recognition that the status quo is not working is very important. But then talk about what comes next. I personally believe that the agenda should be afford universal health care for every single person in this country, universal child care for every single person in this country going forward and getting rid of these universal broad-based tariffs.
Those are three things that can go and reduce prices for Americans. And I believe that the Democratic Party runs on those things. Those are things that can absolutely be accomplished. Um so look to to make things in summary, people want to understand that they get something for their vote. When you voted for Barack Obama, you got the Affordable Care Act and that was great. If you voted for Zoran Manni, you got a uh a child care system in which it is free for a lot of New Yorkers in New York.
You're seeing building of so many homes across uh New York City. That's what people want to see, I think, delivering something that's real and tangible that they can feel. And and in a lot of ways, I think that that hasn't been something that we have done as much. You know, we run on sometimes on these amorphous things that are big ticket, you know, issues. Let's run on real tangible things. Universal healthcare, universal child care, getting rid of broad-based tariffs. Those three things directly can go and reduce prices for Americans. And uh I think we need to get that done.
>> Robert, >> uh could you talk just briefly about how voters can avoid some of this co-intail pro and fake uh uh uh information is coming out. We we saw this from Governor Abbott. We saw this from Donald Trump in the last election asking whether or not Kamla was was black. Now we have Abbott asking whether or not Telerico supports black people. No, none of these people actually have any interest in helping black people. They just want to drive these divisions within our communities and within our side of the aisle. Can you talk a little bit about what people can do to start avoiding them, particularly when they're coming from, you know, the online brother Mustafa 68 who just appeared out of nowhere to talk about how Telerico doesn't like black people and then it starts metastasizing through the algorithm that Elon Musk owns and starts spreading this which we saw in the last election cycle. really can impact elections.
>> Well, you know, I think the biggest thing is we got to understand that everything we say can be cannon fodder for these Republicans. And so, you know, for one, you know, some of these folks are content creators and they're trying to get engagement and clicks off of asking people questions. Like I saw somebody uh making a a question to Terico about what some other content creator said and how that made them feel. At the end of the day, we have to understand everything we say will be used by Republicans. And so, we cannot feed into that. And I don't think that it's very helpful to do that. Um, I think that ultimately, uh, my ask to the voters of this country is to go and ask yourself the question, who's going to do something for you personally? And so I think that person is Terico who will vote uh for health care, who will vote for child care, who will vote to make sure that we can bring down costs. Uh I think that's really important. And then you juxtapose that with someone like Paxton uh in this instance. What's he going to do for you? I don't think more tariffs is going to make your life better. I don't think that getting rid of more subsidies for ACA is going to make your life better. I don't think someone who's going to uh support rolling back environmental regulations to put more pollution in your air and water is going to make things better. I don't think that's in your best interest. Ask yourself the question of who's going to be in your best interest and when you look at the policies that Taler Rico supports that absolutely is it uh without real question in my opinion.
>> Question I have for you and actually piggybacks on what Rebecca said. Um I have been yelling and screaming this um for the longest that that that what should be happening right now when she talked about hey how can it make somebody life better look is running his campaign he's doing his thing u but that doesn't mean that we can't do what we supposed to do and for me I've said what should be happening right now um uh is in every city in Texas.
Every week there should be a we the people uh discussion, panel, discussion, town hall, Q&A, walking people through all of these different things. They should be live stream. We should be kicking those things out primarily because a lot of people just simply don't know what is happening. They don't understand. They're not connecting the dots. And I think the mistake is when we have events and rallies and we say, "Need you to vote." Well, I can't get you to vote unless you're registered and I can't get you registered until I walk you through why you need to be registered, why you need to vote. And so that to me is what really should be happening as well. Uh and so it should be multiple events. Churches and community groups should be doing this, teaching people, having teachings and real discussions that are connecting those dots. your thoughts on that?
>> I think you're 100% right. Um, you know, I I just saw uh a friend of mine, State Representative Galanda Jones, just did a really big town hall uh in Houston in which she did uh she invited a lot of people to go forward and learn about what's going on and what's happening. I think that there has to be a variety of different events. I I don't think that everything uh will be able to be done by just Terico. It's going to have to be done by other political figures. Um, and also, you know, with our own individual selves, talk to your friends and family about the importance of voting and why it is. If you do see someone repost something that is disinformation that you know is not true, go and talk to those people and debunk that. This is going to have to be a team effort because at the end of the day, we all share the understanding that the Republicans cannot win. Now, if we disagree with some of the ways that Terico might be campaigning or whatever, take matters into your own hands. say, "What do I need to go do to go and correct the record and to go and spread uh the words to people?" I know that I am doing everything I possibly can, even though I don't live in Texas anymore, uh to go and spread the word to my friends that, you know, are still living in Texas about why it's important to go vote. Um and the the particular things that they're going to be getting as a result of voting for Rico. So, we've all got to pick up our our mantle. Uh I remember my late mentor, Congresswoman Jackson Lee, once said that no one is coming to save us. We are the ones that are the Calvary. And so we have to pick up that mantle uh ourselves and go and do everything in our can uh to go forward and spread the word to as many people as possible.
>> Um you talked about folk. So what you left Texas, where you go?
>> I live in the DMV now.
>> Oh your ass. See, you need you need to live in you need to live in the DMV and keep your voter registration in Texas.
See?
>> Yeah.
>> That's That's allowed. That's allowed.
>> You never know.
>> Well, I I I've been I've been doing What' you say, Rebecca?
>> I said check your local rules. Consult an attorney because in Texas, they are bringing felony charges to people outside of Paxton if you are voting at an address in which that is not your doicile. So, make sure you you check local law. When you got a homestead and you paying them when you got a homestead and you paying them property taxes on your home and it's in your name, >> that's your house.
>> Uh, >> that's right.
>> Yeah. So, uh, I know my house is cuz I own it and I pay them damn property taxes.
>> Absolutely. That's right. Every year.
All right. I appreciate it. Thanks a lot.
>> Absolutely. Thanks for having >> folks. We talked about organizing uh, go to my iPad this Saturday in Houston.
Freedom Summer 2.0. They're going to be in Houston this Saturday. Uh you see it right here. Um July 24th, 25th, they're in Austin. August 21st and 22nd, Dallas, September 18th and 19th. Got various performances. Uh but also um if you want to learn more information, uh this is the this is the uh QR code right here.
And so again, uh uh right there. Um we need Houston needs y'all to show up. Uh Freedom Summer 2.0, know great training things that'll be going on uh on uh this Saturday in Htown. All right, y'all. Uh New York City Zorman Mani U made it clear that he wanted to arrest Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Um but the reality is he can't do that.
It's called thing called diplomatic immunity. Uh and Donald Trump like oh he can't do it. Uh but that didn't stop him from dropping this video.
Benjamin Netanyahu is a war criminal, the architect of a horrific genocide against the Palestinian people. He is responsible for the killing of more than 73,000 people. For the maming of tens of thousands of children as those who survive undergo amputation without anesthesia. For the targeting of neonatal hospitals and maternity care centers, denying newborns even the chance to live. For the countless people he starved as he blocked food and humanitarian aid from reaching them. for the gunning down of hundreds of aid workers and journalists. And just last month, the UN confirmed that Palestinian children continue to be deliberately targeted and killed by Israeli armed forces more than 8 months after the so-called ceasefire. The list goes on and on, all as we as Americans pay for the bombs that do the killing. There is a reason the International Criminal Court issued a warrant for his arrest.
As human beings, we have spent generations building a shared understanding that there are crimes so grave they offend all of humanity.
Anyone with their eyes, with their heart, with their conscience should recognize the devastation he has wrought and understand that he belongs before a court of law. As I've said, I agree with the ICC that Benjamin Netanyahu should be arrested and tried for his crimes, as I do for anyone else charged by the ICC.
My administration has reviewed every avenue available under applicable law to determine whether New York City could execute the International Criminal Court's arrest warrant if Benjamin Netanyahu came here. It is clear that we do not have the independent legal authority to enforce this warrant. The federal government, however, does and I call on them to join the ICC and execute this warrant. And I want to be equally clear. Benjamin Netanyahu is not welcome in New York City, nor is any other war criminal at large. While we cannot end the genocide on our own, we can decide whether our silence will become another weapon and we can examine every tool we have to defend the humanity and dignity of all people. That is my commitment to you.
>> You know, it's always quite interesting, Rebecca. Uh, United States uh we want to execute the rule of law. we will actually go into Venezuela and kidnap its president and drag him back here out of his country to execute uh an indictment in this country. Uh but then we don't care about the IC when they rule against us or our friends.
>> Well, it sounds like the United States is committed to exercising and protecting the white supremacist rule of law here. Um because here here's the bottom line. We know Netanyahu is a war criminal. We know what's happening um in Israel, in Gaza um is genocide. That is clear. That's what history is going to show. That is what um the present is showing and is very clear now. Um you know what I I think in the previous segment I talked about how do you convince people to vote even if voting is not their top 10 things to do. Being a moral leader the way we see the mayor of New York being at this moment is a reason to support him. It's a reason why people who may not be actively involved in our political system say, "Hey, you know what? That's a leader. That's somebody who's actually trying to do the right thing. That's someone who's actually trying to make people's lives better." And then we see the policy that he's doing. He's doing a lot of pro black policy. A lot of policy that doesn't just help black communities, but it helps all communities because we know when you do pro blackack policies um as a matter of public policy, it actually helps everybody. And so that is the future. If we want to get Gen Z, if we want to get Gen Alpha, that's what it looks like. It is unfortunate that there are members of his own party who don't support him. But that is the future.
That's the reason why you see certain candidates like the the um looking at the Senate race um in Michigan. I it's the reason why you're seeing people gravitate towards those types of candidates, those types of leaders, and they want them to be their elected leader because they're showing moral clarity in this moment, and they're not doing this equivocation. They're not playing politics, but instead they're actually trying to deliver for people.
>> And what also I think jumps out here, Robert, is that uh Mdonna is not buckling from the pressure. His whole deal is, "Oh, y'all mad? Suck it.
>> Well, you know, I I find it interesting that this is even an argument because I we talk a lot about mad men around the world and people that we have to do regime change. I just ask a very just simple question. Who has been responsible for more loss of human life in the last 40 years?
>> Benjamin Netanyahu or let's say uh Maduro, Benjamin Netanyahu or uh you know Gaddafi. Benjamin Netanyahu. You can go down the list. If you just go number by number, he has been pro perhaps one of the top five or 10 people that has led in the deaths of human beings over the course of his time in power over the last 40 years. So on this issue of whether or not he should be tried as a war criminal and be arrested in the United States of America, I find it ridiculous that we have quote unquote Christian conservatives who talk about the sanctity of life all the time, who talk about the importance of godly principles being the ones lining up to support someone who has killed more women and children and civilians than perhaps anyone in the modern era. Uh uh what Mandani is doing should not be a hero's journey. This should be uh the baseline for what we do in America.
Because if you can't stand up to Benjamin Netanyahu, how can we expect you to stand up to Vladimir Putin?
>> How can we expect you to stand up to uh to Kim Jong-un or to Yin Ping? How exactly can we expect you to do anything outside of your enlightened self-interest if you won't stand with the Netanyahu?
>> Derek, >> you know, the timing of this video is perfect, Roland. I mean, you think about it. I mean, all of his candidates that he endorsed up in New York, they all won. Uh, those other candidates in other primaries across the United States, over in Colorado, that's following him, they won. I mean, the young lady, she was 29 years of age, should beat someone that's been in Congress for 30 years, right?
These are the kind of leaders that we're looking for right now. Um, the mayor is very clear. He's saying at a time when over a hundred Democrats voted to support a bill to keep to give Israel more money. Meanwhile, we need uh our children, 644,000 of our children in Georgia need SNAP benefits. We have those veterans um that are looking for care. And so Mandami is saying we no longer want the status quo. We're challenging the Democratic establishment. We're saying that although I know I can't do this, as he articulated in this video, he said, "I'mma put this video out there so that way you all who should be doing something in Washington DC, y'all should be doing this." And that's going to force um that 18 to 35 year old group more pressure to the 435, especially Democrats up in Washington DC, >> folks. And uh remember and don't uh forget you can tune in tomorrow uh where Mayani will be right here on Roland Martin unfiltered on the Black Star Network. All right folks, that is it for us today. Let me uh thank my panel. I appreciate it. Rebecca, Robert, and Derek, thanks for joining us so much.
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