Rose correctly identifies the psychological trap of obedience, but his total disregard for practical results makes his philosophy more of a moral exercise than a real-world solution. He wins the logical argument while ignoring the messy reality of how societies actually function.
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Added:Hey, Larkin Rose here. And in my opinion, you are not the rightful property of another person.
In other words, you shouldn't be a slave. Now, I know what you're thinking the moment you heard me say that. Of course, your first thought was, "Oh, that may sound good in theory if you're going to get all philosophical, but will it work in practice here in the real world?
How will every single aspect of my life work if I'm not somebody else's property, if I'm not a slave?"
I'm sure that was your first reaction to me saying what I did.
Or or wasn't it? Was that not your first reaction? Was your first reaction, "Duh, of course I shouldn't be a slave."?
Because, I mean, why would you just believe that unless I can describe for you how literally every single aspect of your life will work perfectly if you're not a slave.
How will you get food? How will you have shelter? Who's going to protect you?
What guarantees are there that somebody might not beat you up and take your stuff? What guarantees are there that somebody might not capture you and enslave you if you aren't a slave?
Obviously, it's it's irresponsible and childish for me to say that you shouldn't be a slave without also describing and guaranteeing in great detail how every single part of your life will work perfectly without you being a slave.
Obviously, I'm being facetious. I was just on Larry Sharpe's show. We had a grand time having a chat for almost 2 hours.
Time flies when you're having fun.
And a thing came up that so often comes up. "Well, if we don't have a ruler, how will everything work? How will we deal with this? What happens if this scenario comes up?
And it it still strikes me as weird, so I thought I'd do a video about it.
Because on the one hand, it makes sense for people to say, "Well, if there's a different arrangement than what I'm used to, I'm curious about well, how will this be handled and what will this look like?" And then, you know, how will things happen? Just like if somebody actually was a chattel slave and was freed, he may very well wonder, "All right, where am I going to live?
How am I going to get food? Can I get a job? Is anybody going to hire me? Like there's a bunch of problems in front of me that weren't in front of me when I was a slave.
There was a really big problem in front of me when I was a slave, which was I was a slave.
But now that I'm responsible for my own life, yeah, there are a bunch of challenges.
Okay.
That's fine to talk about those things and theorize how things might work.
But if your argument is basically "Well, unless I'm totally comfortable with your predictions of how everything would work, I better I better keep on being a slave."
Cuz uncertainty, yeah, we wouldn't want that. I mean, much better to be a slave than have to face the uncertainty of a free life, right?
But that's exactly how most statists respond to the idea of a ruling class.
Okay, you say nobody should rob me and violently dominate me and that I don't have a moral obligation to bow to the demands of political psychopaths. Fine, fine, fine, in the theory and getting all philosophical and stuff. But how will every single aspect of all of society work perfectly if I'm not obligated to obey political psychopaths?
And it's a really weird question.
Again, it's reasonable to go, "Oh, yeah, it's bonkers to think that I'm beholden to that.
I might have a hard time picturing how all of society will work without a ruling class because so long I've lived under a ruling class.
So, how would it How might this be handled? How might that be handled?
Those are reasonable questions. What is not at all reasonable is for someone to cling to the notion that they're obligated to bow to political psychopaths unless and until somebody can describe in great detail how the whole world will be just fine. Nothing bad will ever happen if we don't all have an obligation about to psychopaths.
But that's how people respond and it shows the power of It shows how much power uncertainty has.
How much people are so scared of whatever is unfamiliar that they will choose a familiar hell over an unfamiliar like drastic improvement in their life because they're not sure what to expect.
Oh, we're very familiar with the hell.
And we know the hell well. We've been living it for a very long time. Yeah, there's warmongering and mass extortion and oppression and dystopian police state here and there.
But you know, at least we know it. At least it's a known quantity.
We wouldn't want to face the terrors of not empowering psychopaths to have giant war machines and the power to violently dominate and rob all of us unless we have assurances that literally every aspect of life will work perfectly, flawlessly. Nothing bad will ever happen to anyone.
But it shows how much statism is not at all the result of logic or reasoning.
It's a It's an indoctrinated belief.
It's not a conclusion. It's not an understanding of anything. It's a belief that was trained into people, indoctrinated into people.
And when they respond to that to the idea of uh you own yourself, nobody has the right to rob you.
And if somebody tells you to do something and their commands don't match what your conscience says, you have no obligation to obey them. You might go along if they have more guns than you and go along just out of self-preservation, but there's no reason in the world for you to feel like oh, the right thing to do is to bow to and obey that bunch of lying crooks and DC or wherever. That's utterly bonkers.
And if I point out that that's utterly bonkers and prove why it's provably utterly bonkers for people to respond by saying, "Okay, well, how will everything work though?"
is just really damn weird.
It literally is a caged animal like who's living in this cage the whole time. Somebody opens the door and he like backs away from the door. Close the door. I don't know what's out there.
That's most of humanity.
And that is the emotional level instinctive psychological reaction of people faced with a far superior situation that's unfamiliar. Okay, well, how will everything work? If I walk out of this cage, how will I get food? My master brings me food once a day and food and water.
I'm not going out there. There might be all sorts of things out there. I'm scared of them.
And so and it it's tempting and I do it too to explain well, here's here's how people that would approach things. I mean, I had a pretty long discussion with Larry Sharpe about this.
Here's the mentality of how people would approach things if there's a conflict.
People being grown-ups and responsible for their own actions, here's how they would might approach different things without believing they have some obligation to bow to a ruling class.
But that entire discussion is basically just an excuse for indoctrinated statists to not have to consider being free.
Literally.
Accepting your own freedom. Now, here's a short version of why believing in in an obligation to obey an authority is literally insane.
Um incidentally, the my my new book um about to be taking pre-orders.
Might be able to do that, but check the description below and see if pre-orders for my new book Approaching Humanity are available yet.
It will be any moment now.
Um and if you went, "Hey, I thought the event was called Approaching Humanity."
It is. The book is coming out at the event. And the book and the event go together. They very much mesh with each other and cover similar topics.
Um but the new book explains why it's literally insane to not understand that you own yourself.
And there there are several ways to do that. One is there you are inside your head and you you have some perception of right and wrong unless you're sociopath or whatever.
Or at least like you may not want to call it right and wrong if you're moral nihilist or something.
But you probably have some idea of like here's how people should behave and that's definitely how they should not behave.
Okay, that's all you need. Doesn't matter how you define that. Doesn't matter the source of morality or any of that.
Just if you think there's things people should do, things they shouldn't do.
Which is like randomly slaughtering people hopefully in the category of what they shouldn't do for you.
That's not in your category of what people shouldn't do.
Remind me to keep my distance from you.
>> [snorts] >> But if you have any moral code whatsoever, okay, so there you are in your head.
You have your senses. You have your interface with the world. You're hearing things. You're seeing things. You're judging things. You're thinking about things. Doesn't mean you're all knowing.
Doesn't mean you're perfect. Doesn't mean you don't get things wrong. but your brain is all you have. There you are, the pilot inside your being head walking around addressing the world. Then along comes somebody and says, "Hey, you should believe that you have a moral obligation to ignore your conscience and just obey me instead. I am authority. I am a lawmaker. I am government. I am representative government. You are obligated to obey my laws and you should believe that you're obligated to obey my laws. You should believe that it's immoral for you to disobey my laws."
Now, there you are inside your head.
If you think about it for 5 seconds, which people don't because they weren't reasoned into this, they were indoctrinated into it. If you think about it for 5 seconds, how bonkers would it be for you to say, "Okay, here's my moral judgment in here where I'm deciding what I should and shouldn't do.
That guy over there says that what I should do, the good thing for me to do, is ignore my own conscience, the thing that tells me good and bad.
Ignore my own conscience in favor of obeying him, blindly obeying his laws, cuz he's authority.
And I'm bad. He wants me to think that I'm bad if I disobey him. Not just bad things will happen to me. It's not just a threat. The notion of authority is the right to rule, which implies the obligation to obey on the part of the subject class.
So, if there you are inside your own head and you think, "Huh, okay, you convinced me that I, using my moral conscience conscience and my moral judgment, have decided that you outrank my moral judgment and my conscience.
And I decided that using my moral judgment and my conscience.
So, that I think the right thing for me to do is don't do the thing that I think is the right thing to do.
>> [laughter] >> Do the thing that that guy told me to.
Because what I think is the right thing to do, I have decided is not the right thing to do.
The right thing to do isn't what I think the right thing to do is. The right thing to do, I think, is to do whatever he said. If you can't follow it, it's because it's batshit loony, but it is inherent to the belief in authority.
Your conscience has to decide to ignore itself in favor of blind obedience to somebody else, but your conscience is the thing deciding that.
And it boils down to, "Hmm, I judge that I should not judge."
And this built-in contradiction and hypocrisy that is in every statist head, it can't not be.
If you imagine an outside authority, you have to think, "Well, here with this head that can determine right from wrong, it has determined that the right thing for me to do is ignore the thing in my head that tells me right from wrong, and instead obey that guy, because this has decided obedience to him is good."
Which in turn means that this has decided that I shouldn't listen to this anymore when it tells me what's right and wrong. I should only listen to it long enough to decide to blindly obey that guy. There is inherent hypocrisy and schizophrenic insanity automatically if you believe in an external authority.
And my book, um Approaching Humanity, explains that.
It's not quite as >> [laughter] >> in your face and rude about it. Tries to be gentle because it's targeting the rest of the world.
But that internal conflict between, "Okay, we have our own inner voice, our conscience, our moral code, or whatever you want to call it.
Something in you that goes, "Yeah, it's not okay that that guy's just randomly murdering a bunch of people. That's bad.
Oh, look, people getting along peacefully. That seems good to me."
Okay, whatever inside you can make that distinction. And if nothing inside you can make that distinction, please stay away from me.
Whatever in inside you can make that distinction, if you blind if you ignore that and blindly obey somebody else, there's still a part of you going, "What the hell are we doing?
This isn't okay." And one of the best illustrations of that is the psychology experiments of Stanley Milgram. And my book, Approaching Humanity, covers a bunch of the specific findings um in his experiments and and what they mean. And so, one of the things that most of you probably know, the thing Basically, somebody thought they were electrocuting somebody else just because an authority figure told them to. Not somebody accused of a crime or anybody, but uh we're doing a memory test or whatever, and you turn on the voltage and you hit the button and they think they're shocking somebody else.
The test was actually the the one being tested didn't know that he was the subject.
It was actually a test to see, all right, to what degree will some random person zap a complete stranger just cuz an authority figure told them to.
Spoiler, most people will do that.
To the point of causing severe pain or death to a complete stranger. Most Americans will do that. Um and the the results are pretty much independent of education levels and IQ levels and income levels and religious beliefs, independent of almost everything.
But, some of the most important things that Milgram found wasn't just, "Oh, people do evil crap when authority tells them to." Gee, it's almost like they were trained to not have a will of their own. As if somebody, maybe by way of something called the Prussian indoctrination system, intentionally conditioned people so that they would do as they're told even if what they're told to do is evil.
The book gets into that, too.
>> [laughter] >> But the dead giveaway that there's still the human being in there is how many people, while they're electricuting electricuting a complete stranger or they think they are, the other person's actually an actor, screaming out and talking about heart problems and all sorts of stuff.
While they're doing that, a lot of people are begging to be allowed to to do we have to continue? Do I have to keep doing this? And there's no threat to them.
Like the authority figure isn't like I'm going to beat the crap out of you don't keep going. It's he's supposed to say just oh, the experiment must continue.
Okay. So the person is begging to be All you have to do is don't go like that.
You're the one going like that, electricuting somebody. And the person there is telling you to do it. And so many people are like can I stop? YEAH, YOU CAN STOP BY STOPPING.
But most people don't have the mentitude mental fortitude to do that because they've been trained like dogs to do as they're told.
And feel like obedience is a virtue. So you can see the inner human being going, wow, this is screwed up. So not only will they be begging to be allowed to stop.
A lot of times they'll be shaking, they'll be crying, sometimes they'll even be nervously laughing like do we really have to go on? They'll be going like this and sweating and trembling and So their conscience is in there kind of trying to slap some sense into them and say, why on earth are you doing this?
You're torturing somebody who wasn't even accused of doing anything bad. He's just doing a memory test.
And you're inflicting this horrible pain on him.
But part of their brain is like, well, the authority figure told me to. I have to. So, you can see the conflict.
And then a bunch of Milgram did a bunch of different variations on the experiments. And you can just watch the the schizophrenic split personality thing going on inside the person's head where part of them is like, this is very not okay. I don't like this. And part of them is, but authority told me to. Yeah, that's that's the trained dog part.
And Approaching Humanity talks about that. And it it covers how that actually how that actually functions and how that's way stronger than most people think. And when Milgram interviewed people who hadn't done the experiment, almost everybody said, "Oh, well, as soon as the person zaps, as I want out of this, I would stop."
Everybody thinks that basically they're libertarian, that they wouldn't shock somebody against his will. Like, up until that point, you can say, "Well, he volunteered for the experiment. And I'm zapping him. He agreed to this. I don't know why, but he agreed to it." But the moment he says, "Uh I want out." I think it's like at 150 volts, it's what I call the libertarian line.
Cuz if he goes, "I'm done. I'm not doing this anymore." that the actor pretending to be electrocuted a certain amount of people libertarians by definition are like, "I'm not going to inflict violence on him against his will."
Up until now, he agreed to this for some weird reason. I'm not going to keep going. That's pretty small percentage of the population that will stop. But the ones who keep going feel bad about it. Most of them obviously show signs of stress.
And Milgram talks at great length about all the signs of that. And the weird thing of when somebody goes, "I can't do this anymore."
the stress and anxiety just evaporate.
It's like you broke your dog training.
Suddenly you're a person again.
And then they're not all trembling.
They're like, "Yeah, I'm done. I'm not doing this anymore."
And suddenly they relax and they sigh and they stop trembling and crying.
They're just like, "Congratulations, you reclaimed ownership of yourself just in in that little setting at that moment anyway."
But to watch the power the dog training has over people to make them be robots who will blindly commit evil. That is what the training was for.
And so, to jump all the way back to the beginning of this video, when I tell people you're not beholden to authority, and they go, "Well, how will everything work if we're not beholden to authority?" That is a bonkers response.
If if you're basically using that to argue, "I'm totally beholden to authority cuz I'm not quite sure how things would work if I'm That is just as stupid and insane as saying, "Well, I don't believe that I should be a free I totally think I should be somebody else's slave unless and until you can explain for me how everything will work if I'm not a slave."
Like, that's bonkers.
That's just bonkers.
And it's the natural response of most statists. They don't They're not thinking these things out. This isn't an intellectual response. It's an emotional response because all they know is, "Well, that's unfamiliar."
A thing I'm just about finished the book. Um it's 97,000 words and some at the moment. I'm still going back and forth. I think I am going to include it. I'm including a little thing, just a paragraph or two, making fun of Stanley Milgram. Cuz he did those experiments. He got a first-hand view and he wrote all about it. He's like, "Wow, it's kind of shocking how easily you can get decent people to like do something where they think they're inflicting horrible pain, maybe even life-threatening electrocution on a complete stranger just cuz an authority figure told them to. Everyone's like, "Whoa, yeah, those" including him, like, "Whoa, those results are kind of disturbing. Uh yeah, maybe this is how like Nazi Germany happens and stuff."
So, experiment is awesome and he observes all these things. He's a psychologist, so he's like, "Control I'm going to control for that. Might this be a factor? How about proximity to the victim? How about whether you hear the victim or is there when you can see him?
How close What if you have to actually hold his hand on the electrocution like So, he does all these variations to see what it is. So, he Milgram has a front row seat to the fact that the belief in authority makes decent people into agents of evil.
There's no other way to put it. He almost put it exactly like that.
And then he goes, "Well, of course, you know, we need some authority.
We have to obey some authority.
Just cuz I said so."
He doesn't really elaborate. I think the one example he gives is like listening to a doctor who's an authority on medicine. I'm like, "That's not even the same meaning of the word."
But he just This guy who just front row seat to the heinous destruction of the human soul that is a direct result of people being trained to believe in authority and feeling beholden to somebody outside of themselves.
Gazillion variations showing, "Wow, this makes people into agents of evil." Then he goes, "Well, of course, you know, we need some authority. We have to about to some authority. We need legitimate authority."
Didn't say why. Didn't explain it.
Like, "Wow, even watching what you did in your own experiments wasn't enough to make him think, why do we ever need this?"
That doesn't make any sense. That's bonkers. Even he wouldn't let go and I'm still going back and forth on whether to throw in a paragraph or two. Just beating up on Milgram for still not being able to see past his own indoctrination. Like, "Gee, turns out the thing I was taught to believe makes people like willing accomplices to profound evil.
But I mean, of course, I should still believe in that thing that I was taught to believe. Even though I'm sitting here watching the real world results of it turning people into monsters.
But I mean, we need some of it.
Just cuz, cuz everybody knows you do.
So, anyway, so the book Approaching Humanity and our event Approaching Humanity on July 18th, um basically tries to gently lead people, including normal people who never thought about these things, through the process of realizing, yeah, you you own yourself, you're responsible for yourself.
You're and you're stuck with that.
Like, there isn't an escape. There isn't a way to make somebody else responsible for what you do. "Oh, I was just following orders." Well, if you're the one who did it, you're still the one who did it.
So, it it sort of gently introduces people to that and walks them through the various proofs and demonstrations that that's the only sane way to be is realizing that you're sovereign. I hate that term, but whatever.
You're autonomous. You should be a you know, you should exercise self-determination and self-ownership and whatever phrases you want to use to describe that. And anything else is bonkers. It's not just a bad idea in practical terms, it's insane.
And so, every time I hear somebody say, "Well, if I shouldn't be insanely beholden to a bunch of lying psychopaths, how will everything in the world work?"
It's like, uh that's really has nothing to do with it.
It's it's just as silly as somebody saying, you know, Santa Claus isn't real.
"Well, if Santa Claus isn't real, how do we make sure all the good kids get presents on Christmas? What if they have poor parents or the parents forgot or something? How can you guarantee that every child will get We No, we we need Santa Claus.
It doesn't stinking matter if you think we need Santa Claus. He doesn't exist.
It doesn't matter if you think humanity needs authority. It doesn't exist. The entire notion is inherently insane.
It's not just destructive on a practical level. It doesn't just turn out badly.
So, the question of will will it work?
What does that even mean?
Will it work for me to not be a slave of psychopaths?
You aren't You shouldn't be even if it didn't work. Of course, it works a thousand times better than people feeling beholden to psychopaths.
But that entire question is such a weird dodge of actually looking at what the concept proves.
So, anyway, just thought I'd do a rant about that after being on with Larry Sharpe. Oh, try to put a link below to the the two-hour discussion we have.
So, yeah, don't ask me whether it'll work for you to not be somebody else's property.
Even if it didn't, you still shouldn't be somebody else's property.
And whether or not you think it will work for us to not bow to political psychopaths and feel beholden to whatever crap they make up, whether you think that's going to work is irrelevant to morality and logic and rationality, all of which dictate no.
You don't have an obligation to ignore your own conscience in favor of blindly obeying lunatics.
Huh.
>> [sighs] >> So, in the book and the event approaching humanity, we will explain that in a more gentle, less frustrated way.
So, uh and in a way compatible with uh normal people.
And we'll do it in fun, entertaining, and informative ways.
So, if you can be in Sedona Saturday, July 18th, be there.
Um the main event will be like 10:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m., I believe. It'll be chucked full of full of goodies.
And I think people will much appreciate it, including people who don't think about these things and have never heard about them before.
And people who have.
We want to make it uh very worthwhile for everybody across the entire spectrum of how much you've thought about and heard about and understand these things already, or if you're somebody who's just like, "Uh I'm just living my own life, trying to mind my own business, but yeah, something's horribly wrong. Uh what is it?" I know.
I know. Show up on July 18th and uh you'll know, too.
If you can be there, be there. Yeehaw, if you're a Rose Channel uh subscriber, you will probably get the whole thing live streamed, and if not, you'll get the whole thing edited after the fact.
Um and anybody shows up and long-time Rose Channel subscribers um will be getting a copy of my new book, Approaching Humanity, um at the event as part of the ticket price. Um and I will be mailing it to long-time subscribers of the Rose Channel as soon as I have it in my possession.
Yeehaw.
Now go run your own life and be responsible for your own beliefs and thoughts and words and actions. Is that too much to ask?
Possibly.
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