Recombinant DNA technology, pioneered by Stanley Cohen and Herbert Boyer in 1973, enables scientists to cut and paste genetic material from different organisms, creating new genetic combinations that can be inserted into host cells. This technology, which allows for the modification of any organism's genetic code, has been applied to produce human insulin in yeast, create genetically modified crops, and potentially modify human embryos. The 1975 Asilomar conference established a voluntary moratorium on recombinant DNA research due to concerns about potential misuse, but this pause was short-lived. The technology's applications range from beneficial medical treatments to controversial areas like human enhancement, raising fundamental questions about who controls genetic technology and where the boundaries of human modification should be drawn.
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Hello, how are you? Welcome to Chaos and Destiny, another day with chaos. I don't know where we're going to end up. The truth is that everything is chaotic in whatever terrain we move in, it doesn't matter. I want to thank everyone who watched the previous program, because many of you wrote a lot, and the previous topic was very well received. Lisardo mentioned that his wife loved the last show because she's a huge Marilyn fan. Then I saw how some people were celebrating Marilyn's birthday, right? In the end, we were the first, huh? In congratulating Marilyn. How are you, Amador? Welcome.
Hello, Sucena and audience? Good afternoon.
Well, the Merlin issue was a very, very popular topic, it has been a much- discussed topic. Greetings to Lisardo, Luis MartĂn, Alberto DĂaz, and Miguel ACD who's here, and well, to everyone who watches us later, those who join during the live stream, greetings to all.
Don't forget to like, share, and subscribe. And today we're going to talk about something that has nothing to do with Meril, or does it?
Everything is connected to everything else.
That's what I was going to say because today's topic is perhaps different, different at first glance, very different, but as always we get into that manipulation of control, whether it's the brain, our body, biology, whatever, in the end everything is manipulable or not, because these people manipulate everything, right? Okay, so what we're going to talk about today is recombinant DNA, okay? recombinant DNA.
recombinant DNA. And you might say, "Come on, you 've gone all scientific again, you're really going all in, aren't you?" No, quite the opposite. This program, which should be very scientific, very white-coated, let's forget about the white coat, let's forget about the microscope, let's be very flexible and you'll understand it even better. We're going to link it a lot with the Mareline program, right?
Oh yes, go ahead. No, no, but yes, with the glands, those tenants we had in the brain, right? The pineal gland, that third eye, the thalamus, the hypothalamus, all that stuff we were talking about. And yes, and yes, everything can be explored even further. There's money for what theoretically can benefit a government, especially one of the major powers.
Of course.
Perfect.
That same money might not be invested in other things like cancer or rare diseases, but when we talk about recombinant DNA, it's a very good investment. And now we'll talk about why What? Of course, I always say one thing because it's true that we always talk about technology, right? We talk about inventions, and obviously I agree that progress should be made, whether scientific or otherwise. Any progress is theoretically positive, right? Any progress is positive, but we know one key thing, and that is that science, advancements, and inventions don't have any ulterior motives. Who has the ulterior motives? Obviously, the politicians who control this and especially those who pay for it—they do have ulterior motives. Of course.
Obviously, it's not that simple. That's why I say, it has nothing to do with Marilyn Monroe, but if we think about what we were talking about the other day regarding Project MK Ultra and the investment they make to create beings, zombies, ultimately soldiers for a series of missions, we're back to the "from the lab to the plate" scenario.
Everyone controls and creates whatever they want.
Yes, in the end. Well, and we were even going to talk about MK Ultra, that mind control, that Stargate project too, but now we're also going to talk about... In this program, we're going to talk about what would be an MK Ultra 2.0 or 3.0 or more.
And that is to say, we have more technology; we now know much more about the human genome.
Of course, there's much more, and we have the capacity to cut and recut since 1992, which you'll touch on later.
You'll touch on it later.
Yes, of course, because if we think back and look back, it's curious what the platform does, isn't it? We were 29, and suddenly we're five. A very strange thing. Well, let me explain, since I have the numbers here in front of me, the idea is to rewrite, create, cut, paste, modify, as I say, right? From the lab to the plate. I'm going to set the scene, okay? Because we can, we're going to do a short introduction, and then we'll move from there, right? We're talking about how in 1973, two scientists from Stanford, Stanley Cohen and Herbert Boyer, published something that at that time should have been the The bombshell, the panacea, the holy grail, right? I thought they'd shaken the foundations of everything, moved the ground beneath the entire world, like an atomic bomb, but I don't know if they'd actually managed to move it or not. What they'd really achieved was cutting and pasting the DNA sequences of different organisms and making them work inside a bacterium. And that's what they called, what Amador just told us, recombinant DNA. You might say, "My God, no!"
How crazy! Well, the world just ignored it, what have you achieved, what for, that's useless. But there were some who did take it into account. And that's where the trouble starts, right? As I say, that's where the trouble starts, because then they start doing things with enzymes, with glands, with history.
That's where things get complicated. Tell us a little bit about what they start doing from there or what they realize they are capable of doing with this.
Well, first I'm going to do what I always do, I back down, since I'm older, I always back down a lot, right? And this sounds familiar, it reminds me that I wasn't alive then, I haven't lived that long yet, but hey, when electricity was invented and especially once electricity was in hand and in the hands of many, at the end of the 19th century, electricity was used for everything, because you didn't know it was good for anything, right? But since you didn't know exactly what it could be used for, you just grabbed it and went around with the wires, electrocuting everything you saw, saying, "Okay, I can make a loaf of bread from scratch, I'm going to electrocute the dough."
Well no, I'm going to electrocute the elephant. Well, not really, eh, I'm going to see if I can revive the frog, well, let's see, almost, because one of its legs has moved. And they went pam, pam, pam, pam. That's why, obviously, naturally, and long before that, from the end of the 19th century to the beginning of the 19th century, we have the first bestial work, which is Frankenstein, the myth of Prometheus.
Clear.
The modern, the modern Prometheus.
The modern Prometheus. Yes, Frankenstein.
Clear.
No, no, it's not the myth of Prometheus, it's uh Frankenstein. The modern one, the modern Prometheus.
Modern Prometheus. Good.
Well yes. Once we have that, once we 've entered a little bit of context, what these people think of is to apply that cut-and-paste, right?
to everything, that is, they discover, they say about everything, about everything. Uh, sure, first they'll start with simpler things because they're not going to directly involve people, but they really talk about what I was talking about before in '92, the map, the human genome, uh, when I see this DNA stuff, you know where I go, my mind goes to the dinosaur movie?
Yes, yes, it's the same thing.
I'm going straight to the dinosaur movie, the first one, Jurassic Part 1, right?
Clear.
Where they explain how dinosaur DNA is reproduced if we don't have, I mean, the chain, the sequence is incomplete and we're going to complete it with frog DNA, right? It was, I think.
Yes. Let's see, the closest thing, if for example instead of dinosaurs I want to create, uh, we're talking about mammoths, I want to take out and create a mammoth now. Well, the closest thing would be to delicately cross it with certain parts, cut and paste, and then copy and paste, right? Because it's short, cut a small piece and paste it.
insert it elsewhere.
Clear. We take a little bit of an elephant cell and we're going to create with that cell we have from some mammoth frozen in the permafrost, one of those that we've taken out from 10,000 years ago that are practically intact. Well, let's play around with the topic a bit.
If we had older DNA than whatever, you'd say, what's more similar?
For example, we're theorizing, right?
Hypothesis. Uh, where do we have dinosaurs right now?
Dinosaur.
Yes, we don't have dinosaurs.
Well, but we have the oldest thing we have, the shark.
Some, right? Dinosaur. Dinosaur of the dinosaurs. Uh, what's the closest thing we have right now? Who are, let's say, the heirs of the dinosaurs?
The birds.
The birds.
So then, let's see what we can do with the birds. No, yes, just like we have the dinosaurs, the reptiles. It's easier to catch them in Riles because we have crocodiles, alligators, snakes, lizards, well, iguanas, well, all kinds of creatures.
That is. Well, it's a copy-paste job, and yes, that's what Jurassic Park says very well, always under the hypothesis and always saying, "Look, we're wiping out I do n't know how many species every day, and now we're going to create and now we want to recover a tiny Tyrannosaurus Rex.
Yes, a home-sized one to keep at home."
Clear. Come on, let's make it smaller so it's manageable.
When the postman comes, we'll throw the dinosaur forward.
Clear. Pet type.
Hey, listen to me. Some crazy person must have come up with that, huh? No, no, if everything we come up with we have to multiply it by 1000 or by 1 million and then we have all kinds of ideas and projects. As I was saying, the scientist who invents isn't in charge here, because in the end, if you give the scientist free rein, well, everyone's ethics and morals are there, right?
Everyone has a different set of ethics and morals, and there are no limits. They've always said that science has no limits, have n't they?
Yes, we'll talk about it later. We're going to spoil this very program and we'll talk about it at the end or during the program.
Spoiler. We are carnivores.
cannibalizing ourselves.
Uh, let's talk about that Chinese doctor who was arrested in that way for making those two custom-made girls. Tailor- made. Of course, we were talking about going from the lab to the plate, that is, generating something, uh, yeah, because yes, I repeat, the limits, the limits of each one.
I go to the McDonald's menu and I want, look, I want a girl, right? Let there be two, because that way I can get rid of it all at once.
Two, uh, let's see, blue eyes, like, uh, that, let's see, that has a fairly high IQ. Of course, that has been discussed many times. I've seen it, well, many movies, many series, right?
This single mother, I want to get pregnant, I want to choose the baby's sex, I want to choose this, that's where all the red lines are crossed, at least for me. I have a lot of lines there, of course, it's me as a mother, it's not that we're theorizing, it's that man got carried away with the cut-and-paste, it started there, ching ching ching, and then the Chinese said, "Well, I'm arresting you, but you know how we are in China, I'm arresting you the Chinese way.
Of course, of course, of course.
There are two ways to arrest, but they keep the invention, right? Yes, yes. No, and also, I'm arresting you, but you work for me.
Of course, the studies aren't destroyed, the advances stay. I'm arresting you, but what kind of house do you want?
Of course, of course.
Like we were talking about, like we were talking about the Nazi experiments, the Nazi scientists, all relocated to the United States.
Of course, all wonderful.
Working for Uncle Sam.
The truth is that this stuff of pasting, this cutting and pasting of pieces to create New things, it sounds a bit familiar to me.
Anyway, let's get to this topic of... uh, let's try this cutting and pasting thing a little bit.
Yes, this is very easy. We take... we have DNA, which is a double helix, we 've seen it many times, in some pictures here and there. Let's get an idea. I'm going to... Uh, so we take... and now I take a piece of one of those helices and paste it onto another. Well, no, because it doesn't understand. It does n't understand because maybe what I want is a phosphorescent mouse, a green mouse. Okay. Oh my goodness, yes, I know, they exist. Yes, they've already been made.
This... this would be a... Good. So I take a little bit of what I'm interested in and, as if it were a text from a printer, right? I mean, from the part you want, I mean, I want these two filaments, for example, these two pieces. That's by cutting here, right there, I take it out, I insert another one, I paste it as if it were text from a printer. where the printer can't read that text, so why have I inserted a new text and it can't read it? I say, "Okay, it doesn't matter because what I do is insert this new text, which no one can read, into a known one and trick the printer so it can print it."
Uh-huh. Very good.
Okay, well, that's how we're doing it with humans, with plants, with animals, with everything, except with stones, because stones don't have anything of the sort. Of course, if they did, we'd do it too. Okay, so, let's see, obviously this has been going on for a long time. We've already seen mixed things in... Now we've said it like this, bluntly, let's say it for the most knowledgeable people here, right?
Okay, fine.
The most cultured, those above us. There are 16 of us live, so... The mechanism is elegant in its brutality. Restriction enzymes act like molecular scissors that cut DNA at precise points. What you were saying there, There, there.
Just palindromic sequences.
Uh, we remember palindromes, right?
Just like it reads the same from one side as the other, right?
Symmetrical, recognizable.
DNA ligase acts like glue. The result is a genetic fragment from one species inserted into another, which the host cell replicates and, if the conditions are right, expresses as a protein. If the conditions are right, everything's fine, that is, if it accepts that little piece, great, uh, if it accepts the little piece, I mean, if we put it in properly, it believes it.
It believes it.
Tricked, it believes it.
Human DNA is a bacterium. A jellyfish gene is a mouse. A bacterium's insecticide is the corn sold in supermarkets.
Uh-huh. And this is how it is, this is indiscriminate in any case, for diabetics who have to consume, inject insulin.
Of course, because that insulin isn't natural.
Of course not.
It's one of these inventions, okay?
Ah, so, uh, the Technology doesn't discriminate.
The same process that manufactures human insulin in yeast, saving millions of diabetic lives, can, in principle, insert any sequence into any organism. The limits aren't biological; they're political, ethical, and financial. That's what I was telling you. Of course, in the end, science has no limits.
Science goes on and on, and whatever happens, happens.
If a mouse grows an ear on its back, well, it grew one, right? We've seen it, we've seen it, and it's true, we've seen those phosphorescent mice, green mice. Ear, or I read that you posted it. You posted it. Well, let's include it anyway because the mouse, the mouse with an ear, still traumatizes you, right?
Yeah, the image is spectacular. I mean, the image is spectacular, it doesn't matter what it is. Adam Tiger with red eyes, man. Uh, uh, I'm very visual, and there are certain images that stay with me for life. I mean, it doesn't matter, I'm not going to select any. So you want to see this, well, this is for you, right? This is wonderful. This really shows that science has no limits, but morally I can't stand it. There are many things in this program that I find disturbing, naturally, but we don't show them because they're in very bad taste.
That's very unpleasant.
But we know they're there. Imagine, well, it's an ear, like, I don't know what, right? You just think, "Poor little animals," you know? Then there are the eco- friendly ones who complain. I understand to some extent why they complain, but everything hurts our sensibilities, right? That's normal. That's why I say that biology, science, has no limits, right? No. And well, we're going back to the past again. We're going back. No, not as far as last time.
Uh, in '72 you told me that scientists invented this, right? They got this patent, they already invented it.
Uh, '72. Okay, well, in '72 the first publications of DNA, right?
And they gave them, well, the Nobel Prize and all that. In '74, two years later, the patent applied for by Stanford was granted in 1980, but in '74 they were already patenting everything that moved.
Wow, everything, absolutely everything, anything at all, not just how to do it, but like, "I did this, oh, well, and I also cut this out. Oh, well, I'll patent that too." I mean, even medicine, this, that, I mean, whatever they could think of, they patented it and released it.
Everything, everything related, everything, everything patented.
Wow.
Everything, everything we can imagine, everything patented. No, not a single loose end left unpatented, okay?
I imagine a person with a fin like a spinosaurus.
Hugs, Alberto.
Well, that would be spectacular.
My God. Go on. We have a moratorium in '75 From Asilomar.
Uh, what happened with the duration? It was months. What? Let's see what happened in Asilomar.
What happened in Asilomar? In Asilomar these scientists, I mean, they started thinking and said, "My God, what we've created, this, okay, yes, we were there in the lab playing cut and paste, uh, it turned out well, it was a success of that.
But you say, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, and if it gets out of hand, uh, trouble, we're going to get screwed and they'll pull out the universal soldier."
Completely.
Here they show us a human who is 2.5 meters tall, and here they show us a human who doesn't sleep, and here they show us a human who repairs himself; they give him a, I mean, a bullet in the army, in the cl, anything can happen in a military confrontation. Of course, in fact we have all the superhero sagas there, right?
That hul is an invention of the father of hands, right?
A mutation, in this case it was a radiation mutation, but hey, we have the whole family of scientists experimenting since Octopus. Okay, we see it now. In other words, we all have that, some willingly and some unwillingly, but unwillingly we do have that, right? And you say, I do n't want it to be a comic book, I want an army of those.
Imagine, it's going to be addressed, but the budget is very high. Let's put it in there.
Well, in February 1975, 140 scientists, who were no longer just two, met at the conference center in Asilomar, California.
Everyone wanted to play Cut and Paste.
Everyone was already playing. Imagine if 150 people gathered, imagine how many people around the world were already playing with the topic. Oh my god, surgery, huh? It wasn't one of their ordinary academic conferences.
It was a voluntary moratorium. A moratorium, that is, "Stop, stop, stop," because the very researchers who had developed recombinant DNA technology had recognized something disturbing. They did n't know what they might create if they continued without restrictions.
Well, let's... It's kind of like the moratorium they wanted to implement with artificial intelligence.
Uh-huh. Because it was getting out of hand, and the moratorium lasted as long as it took me to say "moratorium," and then it was over.
Out.
Look, Luis says, "Who knows how many monstrosities they've created— mice, mice with ears, there must be quite a few of those."
But also mice with ears and other things of a family size. Yes, yes, yes, of course, of course.
Big, big size.
And we were scared, we were scared of Frankenstein, by the way, which this channel has also covered. All of you who are new here, you know, go to Frankenstein, which is also around here.
Not only that, look, let's take a little detour. One of the things, the other, well, a few weeks ago, uh We sent these astronauts to orbit the moon eight times, right?
To do their thing.
Yes, all three of them, right?
Eight orbits.
Okay. Besides, they were tests, weren't they? Good.
Yes.
Well, China, besides sending a guy for a year, it could be one of those experiments.
We noted it, Alberto. We noted it. It could be, it could be, it could be.
Uh, besides sending an astronaut into space for a whole year, what they 've sent are embryos to be reproduced on the spacecraft.
Embryos of what?
On the station.
Embryos. Of what? The embryos aren't exactly human embryos taken from a human female, a woman, but they've made, they said they've made, they said they've made a clone with stem cells in the same format to see how it grows in space.
And they haven't used the Chinese invention with the two girls, have they?
Uh, I said they've made. I mean, I don't know.
If you want, if you want, look up the thing about Human embryo in space. The Chinese, I'm going to look into this right now because it sounds a bit too far-fetched, but since anything can happen on this channel, let's look for a Chinese embryo in space. Oh my god, oh my god. You're really blowing my mind today, huh?
Okay. And what do I find? Where do I go?
This must be fresh out of the oven.
Two days ago here.
China is testing artificial human embryos in space to study life beyond Earth. This is from June 2nd.
Yes, yes. Now the Tiangon station experiment is looking to find out how microgravity affects the early stages of human development with non-viable models.
Hmm.
What they want to see is... I'm going to skip ahead, I'm going to translate it. I'm going to translate it, always in quotation marks, parentheses, brackets, whatever you want to use.
What we want are humans who can better withstand radiation so we can send them to other places.
Okay. And how do we do it? So this is the only way we can test it.
Testing, testing.
First, first, because they want, as we discussed in other programs, to establish that permanent base on the moon to continue these tests, so that it remains a base for going to asteroids, for mining, for going and jumping, for example, to Mars, to other moons, right? The great space race.
Yes. Then, look, since I'm on the topic, because we've never discussed this, we always say astronauts, right?
Well, astronauts are the Americans, and the Chinese are taiconauts.
Taico taiconauts. They don't say astronauts, they're taiconauts.
And why?
And the Russians are cosmonauts. Sounds like a cartoon to me.
Uh, right, right. It's not what I was looking for. Taiconaut.
It's a person trained by the Chinese space program to pilot spacecraft or conduct research. Did you notice that he's my coworker? But I challenge him and investigate everything he says. I don't believe anything because I'm not reliable.
How nice. No, it's just that I always do it, I mean, it's a habit. It's a good habit to check everything we say and everyone else says.
Besides, I do n't have to look up the cosmonaut thing because it sounds familiar, but the " ty" thing, I hadn't heard of it, it's silly, but anyway, I wanted you to know.
And we continue with the " Yes." Let's see, uh, here we have 2001: A Space Odyssey, which was filmed before man walked on the moon.
Well, we should also talk about that moon landing.
Exactly. But anyway, the point is that we have Han 9000, the machine, which obviously didn't need to sleep, right? We also have the movies * Somebody Up There Likes Me*, *The Eighth Passenger*, etc., etc. And we see hibernation in a series of movies, right? You say, if I have a machine, why would I need to put it into hibernation? Of course.
Well, we also have reference films, we'll talk about them specifically some other day, for example, * Interstellar*.
Also It's also a... we see there... we're going to talk about a day of stellar interest, and what's real because it's advised by a Nobel laureate. So, what was real? What? But we're also going to see curious things, for example, uh, like the one who stayed on the ship waiting, nothing, uh, for those below it was no time at all, just a few hours.
The one above, the one on the ship, was there for 23 years.
And the girl says to him, "Like the planet of the... why didn't you go to sleep?"
Well, like the planet of the apes. Of course, there's a huge difference. Of course.
Well, we'll talk about that in another program because we're getting carried away; we've been on for 32 minutes and we still have half the topic to cover here. Okay, so, uh, we're going to... we've already talked about this moratorium, I know that they gave... in short, that they realized this was a total mess if it wasn't even somewhat under control. So, what did they solve? Nothing. Therefore, in the equation that we're still left with, It's insane, that's it.
No limits. It continues without any good. Well, for bad, it's insane. That's it. I'm really happy for many things, mainly for diabetics, right?
But good.
Of course. Mainly, I always say the same thing, science used for good is phenomenal, but used for these things, well, no. Obviously, anything used for evil increases evil and benefits evil, obviously.
Well, and then here we go, where, right? Because, well, how could we not? To the soldiers, to the military. You see? You see? Of course, in the end, everything ends up in the same place.
Of course, this is just off the top of my head. As soon as something is invented, the first thing goes to the army.
Everything to the army. Recombinant DNA technology has military applications that go far beyond engineered pathogens. The usual bioterrorism thriller scenario, okay? The real spectrum is broader and much more subtle, obviously, and in many ways much more disturbing. And we all know it because all this produces a somewhat... Bittersweet, because it's not, obviously, about creating diseases, but about modifying the one who carries the weapon, in this case the disease, which would be the weapon with which it will attack because it's bioterrorism, right? So, recombinant human growth hormone, somatotropin, was developed— excuse me, you spoke— No, I didn't think I'd said anything. It was developed to treat pituitary deficiencies in children. Before its approval, the hormone was obtained from cadavers with the documented risk of transmitting, well, a very strange name, Crofet-Jakob disease.
Mad cow disease, okay? That disease, a rare and fatal degenerative neurological disorder. Mad cow disease, faster.
Yes.
So, well, that's Crofet-Jakob, right?
That, mad cow disease.
Mad cow disease. It's easier now. The recombinant version eliminated that problem. Okay, with this version, it was no longer necessary to extract that part from cadavers, so that hormone, therefore, was avoided, thus avoiding the danger of that disease. Also, as As medical literature itself acknowledges, it was quickly misused, of course, to enhance athletic performance. Let's see, uh, who, who, I'm not saying they've used it, but who has gone to the gym more than two days a week, more than after Christmas or before summer, right? I mean, more than two days, yes, as a routine. It appeals to those who like it, those who like the gym and who haven't heard about, besides anabolic steroids, uh, the very common somatotropin, what is, growth hormone, I mean, I'm going to take growth hormone. Because like a croan, right?
And then they can't even scratch themselves because they're bent over. But growth hormone is everywhere, I mean, between the anabolic steroids, the protein, the whatever, in the end they don't even exercise.
The mec, the whiz, the whole, everything, everything, all the crap, right?
Yes. Uh, But growth hormone, that's used like crazy, like there's no tomorrow, that's how we end up.
So, if that's used in the gym, just like that, well, imagine, it 's prohibited, right, everything I just said is prohibited, obviously it 's prohibited, but it's everywhere.
Don't encourage doing that, okay? Don't encourage doing that, please. Healthy exercise.
It's very bad, right? The thing is, if this is in gyms, well, imagine what they must have wanted to do in the army.
Wow, every day with their coffee. There. Every day with their coffee. I mean, when you see those soldiers in North Korea, for example, those 2-meter-tall soldiers, you say, "What did they do to them with PET?" No, uh, yes, no, because it really strikes me when North Korea does those parades, you say, "But, where did you do the selection?"
But, but this in North Korea was where they didn't eat because where do they go because they are enormous.
How tall are those people?
Uh, I'm not saying all North Koreans, but the ones in the army, the ones they put in front, are a little scary.
Uh, medium height. Look, I do n't think he'll put it there like that, but what if he does?
No, I think the soldier, right?
No, but it's striking that anyone who's seen photos of North Korean parades has seen them; like I said, they're a bit eye-catching. You say that in those countries it's done so much, it just puts what Koreans measure, I mean, that's it, well imagine if that measures 165 when I see the 2m beast I say, I don't know where he gets them, but well, competition.
The thing is, that has to have been very, very experienced for years.
Anyway, I always say the same thing, this is like how people used to customize their cars a lot years ago, right? If you changed the wheels and put bigger wheels on an R5 that had 135 wide wheels and put 165 wide wheels on it, which now seems like nothing, a bicycle wheel, but in those times the R5 had wheels everywhere, what happened?
Well, you'd ruin the steering shaft, you'd ruin the clutch, you'd ruin everything, right? Clear. What do you do with "What happened if you touched a motorcycle?"
Sure, well, what I mean is that if you copy and paste one thing, you'll most likely saturate another.
Sure, sure.
It's like the replicants in Blade Runner, isn't it? You say, "You've already shone brightly, but only for 4 years."
Of course, it's wonderful. You have limited my code, you have limited my genetics. You've already made me big, you've already made me finished, but genetically I expire after 4 years.
Clear. So, the story here isn't about improving those who are already there, but about starting from scratch, like this Chinese guy wanted with the two girls. I think that what they've been doing since they opened Pandora's box in '72, opened the can of worms, of course, is trying, trying, trying, and 54 years have passed since '72.
And what they used to do in weeks, they now do in hours, that is, they do it in no time.
Yes. I mean, to do tests on little animals, they'll spend all day doing tests on mice, rats, this, that, right? In all sorts of places, everywhere.
Clear. Whatever it is, growth-related, let's see if they can sleep, let's see how agile they are, let's see if they get stressed, let's see, I mean, everything, right?
Is it possible to modify a person to sleep fewer hours than they need and still benefit them?
Well, theoretically, yes. Well, they should change me, because I've been sleeping for many hours and I can't take it anymore.
And you said that because you know that there is even a whole family that sleeps four or five hours and those four or five hours, due to a genetic mutation, are better rested than a person sleeping eight hours. They don't have Yes, yes, yes.
No, what I mean is that they don't have any cognitive problems, meaning that we might say, "Well, where 's the proof of that?" Okay, now I take this family and take some of its DNA and try to put it in by doing this Crispy thing, the Crips, the Crispy technology to recombine CR SPR.
That is. I call him Crispy to my friends. Well, with this technology we can try, and I'm sure they're already doing it, to introduce it to new people so they sleep less.
But this family sleeps less because of a mutation of their own.
Yes. If we are changing through mutations, whether solar or due to error, that is, errors, we are constantly mutating, errors, we are constantly mutating. The thing is, our system, right? What is wrong is eliminated, it gradually eliminates it, but sometimes it doesn't eliminate it, and sometimes that mutation is positive, and those mutations are what makes our species advance in one way or another. I remember that many years ago they were talking on certain channels—and I've been watching weird channels and podcasts for a long time now—about how human beings adapt to the conditions they have, right? Because the conditions of life haven't always been the same, have they?
And that could lead to theories about those strange channels, right? I'll let it go now, right? that the moment could come when humans would have gills to breathe underwater. I do n't know if you've ever heard that.
So, does that sound familiar to you? Because I heard it myself. Look, it's another thing entirely if you're not going to grow gills tomorrow, okay? But at a natural level we would need many, many, many, many, many, many. It would be impossible, perhaps even for millions of years. Clear.
Good. What is true is that for simpler things, for example, dolphins and whales were animals that were in the water with us, because we used to be marine animals, right? Sailors, right?
We were oceanic, we were, we were, we were, I mean, we breathed underwater.
No, good. Uh, we came out of the water first in medium format.
Look, Alberto, one of my own, you see? It is agreed.
Yes, yes, yes, yes. Actually, well, yes, we have come out of the water.
In fact, there are people who still have it, sometimes they are born with it.
Indeed, well, we have come out of the water.
We have a memory that is even more aquatic. 65% of our body is water.
Okay, fine. We went outside.
As? First, not us, but our ancestors, right? Uh, our ancestors. As? In amphibian form, right? Like a frog.
Similar, aren't they? No, like a frog.
Similar. No, no, it wasn't a frog.
Okay. Once they went outside, they gradually developed lung capacity, that is, lungs, to breathe pure oxygen. OK. But, for example, who went out with us?
Well, the dolphins and whales came out with us, did n't they?
What happened to the dolphins and whales? They turned around. And they turned back and said, "We are, they didn't like being out of the water."
Okay, so what happened? What they didn't do again, they haven't had time to create gills, like sharks for example, right?
But the sharks never left the water.
Sure, sure.
The whales and dolphins came out of the water. So what happened? Now that they're back, they have an enormous capacity. Its body is completely mutated to endure hours, that is, an hour calmly, not hours, an hour calmly breathing, without breathing and it will descend to impressive depths, so that, for example, we would burst in no time and a whale can descend a crazy number of meters. a crazy amount of meters and eat one of those squid that are way down deep. Yes. The darkness and the rise again.
Yes of course.
Well, I'm clear on whether it's evolution or mutation.
Clear. What we can obviously do is take action now that we have the tools.
Sure, the thing is, um, what could the invoices be? For example, let's imagine that I need to send a person to live on Mars, so what I would do is mutate them, that is, make some genetic modifications to suit the Martian atmosphere. Uh-huh. That's right, don't come here because I know that when I get back Claro, that's what I was going to tell you.
Okay, good, good, good, good. The other day we were talking about who controls the body's pain or who triggers the alarms of fear.
No, it was the amylase. Fear was the midala, eh, pain was the thalamus, if I'm not mistaken. Yes.
Uh, I'm saying this from memory, uh, I'm not reading, I promise.
Uh, and we were also talking about lowering body temperature and heart rate, for example.
Oh, we were also talking about telepathy and telekinesis, right?
Yes, we talked about it as a mental power. But what if I told you that all of that can be modified, can be re-edited, and make us, for example, all telepathic?
Mm, really, really, if we take into account that possibly, like with pigeons, it's a matter of magnetism, okay? And we can create bacteria that possess magnetic properties.
Perfect. Okay.
So, what might be our limitation?
Yes, we can create that part, mutate that part, that is, retouch, cut and paste.
Crispy. The Crispy. Yes, the Crispy.
Oh, but what we wouldn't have is an antenna, right? They will be able to tune in.
Clear. So, who do we usually send to do that? That's where bionics come in, right?
Yes. And a bionic guy said, "No problem. You just call Elon Musk for a minute, he'll wire you up, and that's it." And a ton of questions come to mind based on this, precisely with this modified telepathic communication. I'm sure you know what I'm going to ask, but well, if we're going to complicate things today, guys, we're going to complicate things. We're going to complicate things.
These beings, let's mix things up, are supposed to come from somewhere else, they're super mega advanced because they're able to get here, something we can't do to get there.
Maybe they have made these genetic modifications to themselves, and that's why they only transmit thoughts and don't need to speak.
Me and my own stuff. I'm back now, got it.
The truth is, I see these possible beings that we've often talked about through Ocan's Razor, that it's more likely that these beings are us in the future, for example, that they're the ones who represent us in the past, that they're inter, right?
Ultra ultra ultraterrestrial Ultradimensional. Ultra-dimensional.
Ultraterrestrial, right?
Yes, ultraterrestrials instead of extraterrestrials, which is more difficult to say, because I don't think we're alone in this universe.
We'll also talk about this Fermi equation one day, right?
Excuse me, Fermi. Fermi, Fer, Fermi.
The Fermi paradox.
The Fermi paradox. It 's a very long equation, I mean, the paradox is a huge equation, and he was there with a napkin and started adding things up, calculating, saying, if there are so many people, so many kilometers, so many stars, so many planets, and a culture takes so long to develop. Like this one.
Yes, yes. What is this P47 thing we 've talked about, which would be a later 47,000 years, right?
Of course. Which maybe retains some traits. It seems that it might retain some traits more similar to us. Well, bald people, since there are more and more bald people in the world, it's easiest for us all to be bald, that's all. This must be one of my kind, then.
It doesn't matter, we're all going to end up like this according to this theory, right? But okay, it would be one of those things that, of course, is obviously much more modified.
What's bad for the future, in that future, I don't know, in that future there aren't any hairdressers.
No, definitely not. Or shampoo.
Well, these, these posts, these extraterrestrials, theoretically, if there were some way, we have Einstein, right?
Relativity, right?
Yes.
If there were some way to go back, or at least represent ourselves going back, or even solidify that back in some way.
No, I'm talking about reflecting myself solidly in the past.
We're not, okay? No, not that I go to the past, but representing myself solidly in the past, interacting with a kind of part of myself in the past.
Yes, if I were someone from the future, an extraterrestrial, Right? Good. The other thing would also be when there are people who, well, this comes to me in a connected way, when there are people who say, "I've seen the future." Maybe you haven't seen the future. What you've seen is a wave that causes that present in the future.
Okay. Lost the way. And that wave is what, in one way or another, has reached your mind, and you see that future, not very clearly, but you see it, and it's a wave from the near future.
And there we mix in the " Yes," because, well, one day we'll also talk about time as a block, time, I mean, the theory of the block, the block, I mean, we're neither in the future, nor in the present, nor in the past, but well, past. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. It would be something like that, timelines, etc., but let's get back to the topic, we're getting lost. Yes, well, you have 5 minutes left.
Well, at least where are we going from here? I'm already lost. What do you want me to talk about now?
Well, we're talking about the Chinese. We're talking about the Chinese guy and the girl.
Yes, yes, for example. Yes, we're going to bring up a real topic, even though we've given away a lot of spoilers before, but what was it? I do n't know where it is.
Well, let's see.
Look, we're not just going to talk about the Chinese guy, but I'd like you to talk.
Look, go to the bottom where it says the new chimera. We're going to touch on that new chimera very quickly, okay?
And from the lab to the plate, because we're going to talk a little bit about food, okay? And where is it here?
Because we're going to see to what extent this thing we've been talking about in this very paranormal way, yes, uh, we're eating it every day.
Okay. What, Selenia, what's this about Chronos versus Cairos?
Uh, no, because Chronos and Cairos are time, but uh, the Greeks had two ways of talking about time. One was Chronos and the other was Cairos.
But I do know Chronos, but Cairos... Of course, because they are time, but look, two different ways of... Time, because we say " time," right?
But they said Chronos or Cairos depending on what they wanted to talk about.
Okay, Chronos is quantitative chronological time, the clock, and Cairos represents the opportune and qualitative moment, the occasion.
They, they made a big distinction.
Here, every day, every single day you learn something new, and even I learn. Thank you, Selenia.
Thank you, Elenia.
Tell us, come on, uh, the chimera of... Yes, you see, look, uh, the history of the 20th century left such a deep scar on the concept of racial improvement. There we had the man with the little mustache and the other man with the little mustache, I mean, uh, Hitler and the experiments of Dr. Death, Dr. Mengele, Mengele, Mengele, uh, racial improvement, that the term eugenics became an absolute taboo, of course, because we were already going crazy for Mengele, I mean, spot on, right? Uh, but the taboo was about the word, not the project. What changed wasn't the ambition to optimize human biology, what changed were the methods, the vocabulary, and the visibility. I mean, until I see it, I'll keep doing it. Okay?
Recombinant DNA offers something that 20th-century eugenics didn't have: surgical precision. It's not necessary to sterilize entire populations or design blatant demographic policies. I mean, we can—this was done with Roma people, etc.—to make them completely sterile. Yes. Yes. So they wouldn't have offspring.
Sterile. Of course.
Yes. I mean, they tweaked it.
Well, we could talk about that at length, but I'm not going to talk about it here.
We know the Nazis didn't have much; we don't have to go that far back because not so long ago, in 2020, we also invented something that will now have its effects when the time comes.
Yes, yes. We can apply anything to eugenics.
Absolutely.
With the technology available today, and with what is available and what will be available in the future. In a decade, it's been possible to select embryos based on genetic characteristics, correct variants associated with diseases, and, taking it a step further, insert characteristics that didn't exist in either parent. I mean, Chinese, Chinese, brown eyes. I don't want a girl with green eyes on demand. Okay, the leap from eliminating defects to designing advantages, which, of course, is one thing when they say, "I'm going to tweak things before birth so that the child is healthy."
But what if what I do is tweak things so that the child comes out with...? As a mother of two, we should analyze those tests they do when they're born, at 24 or 48 hours old, when they take blood from their heel, the heel prick test for predisposition to certain diseases. That is, they do a test at 24 or 48 hours of life and tell you their predisposition to certain genetic diseases, some more aggressive than others. And if that could be modified from the... Origin, because it would n't have them.
Ah, they're in them, they're in them. But anyway, the bill must be from there, and that brings us to our spoiler. In 2018, the Chinese scientist, Ji Hiankui, announced the birth of the first girls with genomes edited using Crisp, that is, Crisp, Crisp, CR i SPR.
Yes, I'm going to put it so people can see it. Okay, let's see. People say "crisp" when I say "crispy," but it's "crisp." When we talk about this seriously, not everyone is going to understand, and I put on a serious face.
Yes. Yes.
Uh, technology derived from the same principle of genetic manipulation as recombinant DNA. Come on, we're talking about practically the same thing, a degradation, but more precise, and this is used a lot. I mean, the thing about Crisp is that right now it's commonplace, literally, because it's used in wheat. I mean, the international community was outraged. I mean, that's it, he was sentenced to prison in China for that reason. Nobody asked loudly enough how many laboratories with less media visibility were doing it The same thing without a press announcement.
Yes, because this guy might have sold it as a bombshell, but there would be others doing it and saying, "Damn, this Chinese guy is rubbish." So we stop and don't say it in a country of 100 million people with those universities, with that technology, without the same legislation, I imagine.
No, no, we can't, we just can't compete, right? Because the United States can do it, but very, very, very quietly, very quietly, like all experiments, with a very opaque budget. Then it comes out, but what comes out is what comes out.
Uh, from there, well, the word transhumanism comes from here, I mean, transhumanism and CRISP go hand in hand, I mean, they're related, and then, if we add, uh, part of mechanical genetics, well, there you have it. I mean, we're talking about other mechanical particles and we put them together, well, we no longer know what we have that's human, what we have that's machine. We'd be talking about those, uh, bionic human men.
Bionic.
Yes. There's a movie where a guy appears who He starts mixing things up because he has a hand covered in dust, an arm. What's the name of the movie? You told him, which one was it?
Okay, let's see. To a place outside that he has to destroy, where the rich people are, the ones who invent these things.
Oh, okay. The one with Michael Damon. Uh, that one, uh, it got stuck in my head, didn't it? It's not like that, uh, wait a minute, there's a movie. I don't remember the name, but it's, I don't know if it's Elysium or something like that.
Elysium. Maybe.
Guys, it sounds like you guys writing it through the channel. I think it's, I think that's the name of the movie, right?
Uh, no, Elysium.
Elysium, Elysium. Elysium.
Something like that. Okay, well, you know, guys. Another Elysium from 2013. Well, that's what it's about up there. Well, they're outside the Earth's atmosphere, the elite, and below are the rabble, the commoners, the commoners. Yeah Okay. So, this is one thing, and then, and now we move on to this applied to what we eat every day, and what's the program called, which would be the height of absurdity to call it that and then not talk about this.
From the lab to the plate, the food chain as an undeclared experiment.
Undeclared. Here goes.
Recombinant DNA technology has been integrated into the global food chain for decades in ways that most consumers are unaware of, haven't chosen, and in many cases, can't avoid. We have to clarify one thing: this has a lot going on, and we'll see it quickly now. This has a lot of A and a lot of B, a lot of black and white. There are a lot of people who don't want GMOs at all, okay? And we know, possibly, that we don't know; we don't know what the long-term consequences of this will be. Of course, right now, many people tell you, "It hasn't been proven that it does anything." Just like they tell you, "It hasn't been proven that anything cooked in a microwave is safe."
Sure, go on, go on.
No, we'll know that when several decades have passed, and if someone wants to dig into the subject. What What we do know is that if GMOs weren't used today, for better or for worse, there would n't be enough food for all of humanity.
Obviously, we have to leave it at that. I mean, there are, for example, without even considering current GMOs, without even considering CRISP, right? A lot of people tell me, "My stomach hurts a lot, it gets really bloated, I have, well, a lot of stomach problems, with things like, like, intestinal issues, leaky gut, I don't know what, I don't know how much." And we have a lot of people. I don't know if I'm celiac.
Well, maybe he's celiac.
Sometimes they give you a score from one to c, from one to 10, and tell you, "M, no, you're not completely celiac, but you're very sensitive to gluten." Okay, very good.
You can eat it, you won't die, but it will make you sick.
Yes. I mean, you feel like you're gaining weight, this hurts, that hurts, you get headaches, migraines, I don't know what, I mean, 1000 things that come up, autoimmune diseases, I mean, leaky gut, all these things. Okay? Now, why am I mentioning this? Let's go back to the time of Longinus, to take a step back. Come on, let's go back to the time of Jesus Christ, eh, Longin, eh, our friend Longinus. Well, 2000 years ago the wheat that existed then was a much longer wheat, less resistant, but it had a quarter of the gluten compared to today's wheat.
In 1900, more or less, in 1900 a new, a new, let's say, type of wheat came out.
From wheat.
So, how did you do it with Cris back then? No, no, because these things didn't exist, there was no cut and paste, no, no, it wasn't based on selection, selection, crosses, crosses, crosses, selection, selection, a bit of luck, mutation, luck and pam, pam, pam, pam, pam. Well, there we already had one that was much more resistant, much more resistant, so from 1900 onwards, thanks to that wheat, there was more food all over the planet. Good.
Okay.
Well, in recent years there have been much more resistant wheat varieties, but they double the amount of gluten, and gluten is what makes us feel terrible, terrible. In other words, it's more resistant, it produces more, we all eat more, we have more opportunities, but it makes us feel worse.
Gluten is cool, it's cool, as the English say, it's cool. Because?
It's cool. Because? Because it sticks, it sticks.
It makes the bread so nice, bad, but nice, because it sticks together. And because, leave me alone, don't touch my bread, because I'm a real bread lover. Leave me the bread.
No, not anymore, we don't need to go to the bakery anymore. Let's go for a muffin, a sponge cake. Why does a cake made with wheat flour turn out so well, but one made with oat flour turns out so badly?
Hey, the ones I make with oats turn out really delicious, you know? We're tweaking it a lot, tweaking it a lot, tweaking it a lot, because we have to do amazing things to make it sticky and fluffy, fluffy, etc. I mean, there aren't any people who have managed to make an oatmeal cake weigh more than a brick. It's true that it doesn't cook the same as flour, nor does it rise; it stays clumped at the bottom. In short, it's complicated.
There are killers who have used oatmeal cakes against someone's head.
How exaggerated. It's obvious you're from the north. Good. Well, so what I mean is that thanks to that, okay, we have wheat, a very harmful wheat for health, but plenty to eat.
But at least we can eat it. Uh-huh. Even if it takes its toll on us. Okay.
Okay, so we're back again. We have already arrived, returned from Longinos to here.
Come on.
And now we have recombinant DNA technology that has been integrated into the global food chain for decades in ways that most consumers are unaware of, have not chosen, and in many cases cannot avoid. That's as far as we can read, right? Let's continue reading. This isn't 1 2 3. It's not 1 2 3.
Uh, 60% of the hard cheese produced in the United States is made with chymosin.
Recombinant 60%. An enzyme that was previously extracted from the stomachs of calves is now artificial.
Well, that's also why we're running out of blue cheese.
That strain of fungus, that spore, is disappearing. There's no way to find her anymore. In other words, we're going to be left with a lot of problems with many of these smelly cheeses very soon, because that entire original strain has been lost. Bye bye. And no, there's no way to recover it.
Perhaps a human like that could be doing some kind of amazing feat.
Wow, but it'll be one of those amazing things. Okay, then it'll be a shitty cheese.
Em for health. I mean, it's probably massive, but the leaves, corn, sorghum, canola, cotton, and alfalfa that circulate in the global food system include varieties modified to resist herbicides or produce pesticides internally. That is to say, the same food, the same grain produces the insecticide, the pesticide.
so that if a bug comes to eat it, it will kill it. You say, "Okay, fixed. Now I'll eat it myself in the form of a sandwich." And nothing happens because it's been proven. Chan, chan, chan, chan.
Yes, yes. Well, it's been proven.
Demado, because Monsanto Bayer says so, and they 've even patented how wheat breathes, okay?
And that each seed, you cannot reuse the seeds because the seeds are sterile, they only last, they are only good for one planting, one use. I mean, it's not like before when people, of course, planted crops and didn't eat everything they planted, they recycled it and created seeds again.
Of course not. Now you take the bag and it's single- use and, I mean, I mean, interest, economic interest, okay? I mean, apart from the fact that everything is patented, everything is, well, you can't do it, you have to go to the store and buy the little bag and the bag is for single use only. Okay.
Good. Uh, the crop. Good. Come on. This reminds me of The Simpsons, does n't it? As usual.
The cumaco, the tomato mixed with tobacco that was red on the outside and black on the inside.
Like these black tomatoes, right? No, the one they sell at Mercadona, which is the black tomato, was red on the outside, black on the inside, and the nicotine created an addiction in the cows and they went crazy for the tomato I had planted.
I'm talking about this chapter from years ago.
The Simpsons are always ahead of their time. I don't know, I don't know. I'm scared of what it must be like if the screenwriters are, in one way or another, extraterrestrial.
There it is. Okay, no need to even go there, let's get back to the topic.
Yes. And this last point we mentioned, about the pesticides that are manufactured internally, that these plants manufacture them internally, pesticides, insecticides, deserves a pause. The BT variety of corn is not simply insect-resistant. It actively produces an insecticidal protein derived from that of the bacterium Vacilus thuringiensis. My God.
Inserted into their genome using recombinant technology.
The cultivation is the poison. Whoever eats it also consumes the protein that produces it. The available scientific literature argues that this protein is inactivated in the human digestive system. The literature itself acknowledges that long-term studies in human populations are virtually nonexistent. In other words, it's going well, it's going well, it's going well. I'm telling you it's going well, I've studied it and it's going well, but I haven't done anything to see how it will go tomorrow.
Yesterday I was watching a series called Fringe Fringe Fringe, where they gave some little eggs of who-knows-what kind in a glass of water, they drank them, and the stomach acid triggered the reaction of the little eggs.
And out of his mouth came God and his mother, a piece of larva so big that when it came out of his mouth it lifted his esophagus, obviously.
I was saying, "What a lot of things?"
Listen, I know it's a series, but I'll say it again: reality surpasses fiction, so I don't know.
We in Spain call it Limit Science, it's a series that's been around for quite a few years. We're talking about a series that ran from 2008 to 2013. It had 100 episodes, five seasons, and 100 episodes. Well, if they had made it now with the technology we have and everything that's available, they would have come up with even more.
Fear, more nonsense. But, uh, that cutting-edge science is what, uh, why is it called cutting-edge science? Because these are things that can theoretically be done, but are not very well received ethically. We know that morality and ethics are not the same thing, but it suits certain megacorporations and companies very well, and so there they are.
Everything is very beautiful.
The thing is, it's beautiful, it's beautiful.
We don't have access, do we? No, but we can direct these therapies, these technologies.
We can direct them towards a population with a certain type of genome and make their lives impossible. They would be targeted toxins.
Targeted toxins or precisely targeted food or anything injected. Uh, one thing, no, we are not against those things that are injected, because thanks to those things, diseases like poliomyelitis have been reduced.
Yes.
Uh, the only thing to clarify is that there are many, many, many types of that kind. The interest of a... uh... what a half- dead pathogen is, right?
Pathogen half dead to a modification of the system and to a modification of DNA or RNA.
Exact.
Using messenger RNA and DNA, right? Cut then that may work well and that works in some cases of cancer, etc., etc. Well, before dying, it's better to try this kind of technology. Yes.
What we're saying is that it's not sufficiently proven.
Laura. Sure, sure. If we're talking about these things, that's why, I mean, because we know what they're doing at the moment and they can do something at the moment, but we don't know what factor we fix on one hand and what factor, the FP4 anticoagulant, we don't know how much we mess up on the other. Normal.
And I repeat, we are not against it. There are many variations. We neither politicize nor are we scientific experts.
Of course.
We're two crazy people talking about chaos and dresses. It's a mystery and conspiracy program. Let's not start giving master's degrees here.
Well, I just have to tell you that we've already been here for an hour and 20 minutes. It just happened now. They already are, they already are. I think that's enough. We're fed up with people. Sorry, but that's enough. Putting up with us for an hour and 20 minutes is a task. Guys, thank you so much. Velbio, you have to go. It's dinnertime.
Thank you all, be good.
Thank you for being with us. Don't forget to share and comment after the live stream ends, okay? And we'll see you on Sunday with a great program, okay? You're going to love Sunday. I don't know, I'm not going to say the title, but pay attention on Sunday, okay? It's cooked there. May you be very good and loving.
Thank you so much as always.
Many thanks to Zucena and the audience as always.
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