MADLANGA NOT CONVINCEDBY MEMORY CLAIM

[00:00:00]Chief Mashaba, I I can understand if uh what you is something that's very general in nature and also um perhaps the sort of thing uh that's that's that's what ordinary run-of-the-mill type of uh type of matter that after years you would easily really easily forget what we have here is nothing like that at all. As Miss Signova says, this is something quite specific.

[00:00:41]>> I I think >> how many times would you have had discussions about somebody not being allowed onto a flight from Amsterdam?

[00:00:52]Surely this must be the only occasion.

[00:00:55]Must be the only occasion or not. Have you had several occasions where you were informed about someone who was not allowed onto a flight from Amsterdam? Is that something that happens to you fairly regularly? If if my memory serves me well, I think there was a break where myself and we we didn't speak for some time.

[00:01:34]>> But here you spoke you spoke here. You wrote to each other here. So that's irrelevant.

[00:01:54]You didn't answer my question. I asked you whether you and uh Mr. who had frequent um exchanges about people not being allowed onto flights from Amsterdam because if you didn't and this was the only instance surely you must remember. So can you please answer the the question I posed which is did you and Mr. Mu have several exchanges about people who were not allowed onto flights from Amsterdam?

[00:02:28]No, it didn't have.

[00:02:29]>> You did. It didn't happen.

[00:02:31]>> We didn't have.

[00:02:32]>> To your recollection, this must now that you see it on these WhatsApp chats, this must be the only exchange of such a nature. Correct.

[00:02:46]Honestly, no. Answer the question. Is this the only exchange? I'm not asking you about whether you recall or not. Now that you see it on these chats, is it the only exchange that you and Mr. Enu ever had about sod not having been allowed onto a flight from Amsterdam? Is this the only exchange?

[00:03:07]>> This is the only exchange.

[00:03:08]>> Surely you remember then. What was it about? That's that's Miss Sig's question. Surely you must remember if you say you don't I do not believe you. What was this about?

[00:03:37]>> I don't remember chest.

[00:03:39]>> You are being untruthful. And I will tell you why you are being untruthful.

[00:03:43]You are untruthful because you see that all these chats between you and Mr. and this is a point that was made by commissioner yesterday. You see that these countless chats between you and Mr. show a picture that's totally different to what you told us which is that he was just your informer.

[00:04:06]That's why you purport not to recall any of these chairs or the content of these chairs.

[00:04:15]I suggest to you what's your comment that is you are trying to extricate yourself from the inferences that we may have to draw because of this long existing uh relationship with all of the the the exchanges you had. You're trying to avoid the inferences that we may draw which are that the story about Mr. Enu being your informer may well be I'm not saying is because we are yet to make our conclusions at the end may well be untrue.

[00:04:55]That's what you are trying to do right from the onset before we get to a point where we say to you Mr. Tangu was obviously not just your informer. That is what is happening here and we see right through it.

[00:05:09]Your comment >> no comment.

[00:05:15]>> But you know as you sit there that what I'm saying is actually the true position. Yes. Miss those.