This podcast episode explores hygiene practices across different cultures and time periods, revealing that ancient people used natural methods like water, ashes, and oils for cleaning rather than modern soap, while contemporary Japanese culture demonstrates exceptional cleanliness standards. The hosts discuss how cultural practices evolve, noting that what seems like a simple hygiene routine can vary dramatically between societies, from ancient ritual hand-washing before meals to modern body washes and dental care. The conversation highlights that hygiene practices are deeply connected to cultural values, religious beliefs, and daily life necessities, with different societies developing unique approaches to cleanliness based on their specific environments and traditions.
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Hygiene | Ep. 177
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>> UCC Black UCC >> What is that? A coffee in a can?
>> Nate, if you lived over here, you would be getting about 4,000 of these and you'd be drinking about one every hour.
>> Is that delicious as [ __ ] >> Let's see. I haven't tried it.
>> All right, this is the >> Um, yeah, that's what you can get.
>> Tastes like freaking cold ass Folgers coffee.
>> Eric, you need to come back to America.
>> I'm not coming, man. I'm not returning.
>> [laughter] >> Yeah.
>> know what you're running away from. I don't know what you're you're escaping from, but there I I I've heard there's some legal problems that you have going on.
>> No, legal legal wins.
>> catch up.
>> These are legal wins.
And now Paramount Japan is very interested in starting a white streaming American streaming streaming show with me.
>> A white streaming show?
>> [laughter] >> Uh >> Welcome to Joy Tactics, the podcast dedicated to all things joyful, [music] joyous, and meeting as many celebrities as humanly possible.
Hosted by Eric Rayhill, Nate Bargatze, [music] and Jack Bensinger.
Enjoy.
>> Mhm, UCC Black. [ __ ] Damn.
>> Okay, so last we we spoke, Eric, you were on a lakeside looking out into the mountains.
>> That's right.
>> And what catch me up to your Japanese journey at this point? What have you done?
>> Well, >> And of course we need to discuss the the Instagram post that you guys got.
>> Oh my god, isn't that a good post?
>> It's incredible.
One of [snorts] the best Instagram posts I've ever seen.
>> View out of the hotel.
>> Mountain >> Oh.
>> view of the room.
You see I'm in an ancient style room with a bed on the floor.
>> Yeah.
>> And we get to the hotel yesterday and they're like, "Yeah, by the way, um the bed isn't the This is traditional Japanese, so they'll come make your bed at about 6:00."
I'm thinking, "Okay." So, I'm in here reading my book in the mermaid pose like I am now.
You see what I'm saying?
>> Yeah, we get it. Yeah.
>> And then she comes in. Then I sit up kind of sit, you know, sit up really fast, start reading my book looking down as she makes the the bed. But the I would say that was comfortable.
>> What was comfortable?
>> The bed Did you see the bed on the floor?
>> Oh, you're on the the floor style bed.
The perfect >> I'm on a mat on the This is a perfect day. This is a Yeah, journey.
>> Is it Is it So, you would rank this more comfortable than your bed, your box spring mattress at home?
>> Mm.
Nah, not that comfortable.
>> But I bet you what that does is it strengthens your back in some way. Like it's probably better for your spinal alignment.
>> Right.
Right. My spinal alignment is un- untouchable.
>> Why is that?
>> I don't know. I just don't want to jinx anything, but I feel like, yeah, I have this problem and that, but no back pain as of yet.
>> You know what? That is I I've I actually have never heard you talk about having back pain.
>> I really haven't had it any kind of I mean, I would say I think I brought the wrong classic Vans footwear to Japan to be walking 25,000 steps a day, and my feet look like they've [clears throat] gone through a [ __ ] >> You're walking 20,000 steps in the Vans?
>> Yes. Yes.
>> Oh my god.
>> Tied tie up, but I should >> Oh, the tie ups.
>> But I should have brought the [ __ ] mm.
>> You're not meant to like move on them.
You're meant to be on a skateboard.
Stand.
>> You're meant to be getting photographed.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Most definitely.
>> where else are you meant to be with Vans on?
Mm, walking down through the halls of your high school while you're in high school.
Um >> Yeah, learning guitar. Learning guitar tabs.
>> Learning guitar, teaching guitar. Mhm.
But these have been my go-to shoe for about 15 years.
>> You were on >> What is that?
I just >> You know what? They look good on you.
You got to They just fit. They fit. They fit the vibe.
>> They're kind of Charlie looks like my Charlie Brown shoes.
You know, they have those little shoes.
>> wear the same shoes? Like cartoons?
>> Well, they just have like little ass shoes.
You know what I mean.
Little potatoes for shoes.
>> the feet of the Peanuts gang, but >> Really? I can picture the feet of every single one.
>> [laughter] >> That's concerning, but um Thank you for sharing that. Thank you for being vulnerable.
Eric, what else have you done on your trip? You've walked a lot. Have you had any amazing meals?
>> Yeah, I mean Yeah, non-stop.
I'm trying to think. We're headed back to Sapporo tonight, and we had dinner at uh at this place that was like It's got to be one in the top five meals of my whole life. It's that [ __ ] good.
>> You You just said this on the last episode that this that you had a top meal. Did you have another top meal? Oh, no, it's that same meal.
>> Okay. Okay.
>> It's that same meal, but we're going back um tonight to eat there tonight.
>> Oh.
>> Double tap.
>> to have the same same meal or you going to mix it the [ __ ] up?
>> I'll get some of the same stuff.
But, you know, but they got a [ __ ] everything, bro. They got steak, mackerel, corn, freaking vegetables, soups.
Just all of your favorite stuff.
Beer. Beer.
Mackerel.
>> [laughter] >> But, I know the the we were just in Lake Toya. Now we've gone up this place called Noboribetsu.
And um in Lake Toya we got e-bikes, bro.
And we were starting to bike around the lake. And it's so it's like you bike you know you know when we bike on those uh recumbent bikes at the gym and you can bike through like Taiwan. This is what it was like. There was like nary a car on the road.
Um you're biking right along the freaking water. Beautiful green trees.
You stop at the vending machine in the middle of nowhere to get some water.
You put the put your coins in. Then you end up in this random little tiny town.
You sit down and you get some beeru and you get some mackerel and and [ __ ] Japanese pickles.
>> [laughter] [gasps] >> I'm saying, dude, if I was out here I would be 120 8 lb. Because you're biking.
Yeah.
>> you lost weight, though.
>> I know no, I'm saying 128 lb would be >> Oh. Oh. Oh.
I thought you said you were >> [laughter] >> Sorry, I wasn't paying attention to the math there, but um >> But, then we have then we have a spot of you know, late late afternoon lunch.
And we're eating there. Park the bikes outside. We leave and then the woman runs out and says, "Someone had a wreck in a British tourist that was in that place had a recognized Tim from Taskmaster."
And >> the the Instagram post?
>> That's right. And so then we took And then And then Tim was like kind of like, "Yeah, we're both We're both comedians."
And then we we got in the picture, man.
>> But in the description it said like >> the paper joy tactics.
I know, but I'm I'm They did some >> research.
>> But I'm wondering like is there like an AI How did they Do you think that they just like looked up who he was in? Yeah, yeah, I'm wondering. The powerful AI.
I don't know, man.
>> You never know, man.
>> But then we Then now we took a car to this other place, which is like a hot spring town up in the mountains, and it smells like [ __ ] [ __ ] but it's beautiful. I mean, it smells like sulfur. Maybe you like the smell of sulfur.
>> [snorts] >> Uh but there's hot springs all around.
Nate, you would [ __ ] the the grand bath here That's what I was in yesterday.
>> They what?
>> It's called Yeah, yeah. The grand bath.
>> The grand bath.
>> Yeah. And basically I thought you had to wear this [ __ ] you know, this whatever the yukata.
And it's like a long walk from the room, and the the shoes are [ __ ] tiny as [ __ ] And so I'm like shuffling about um no on a 9-minute walk to the grand bath while everyone else is wearing normal clothes, and I just felt so white wearing this [ __ ] in the lobby.
Like what shuffling to the >> Yeah.
But then you get there, and it's [ __ ] dude, it's next level. It's It's a giant complex of baths, sulfur baths.
Different temperatures. There's probably like 30 baths. I'm not [ __ ] kidding you, dude.
Uh yeah.
>> Are there >> monkeys in Japan?
>> Yeah, yeah. So there >> I picture there's like Why do I picture a bunch of monkeys and humans like cohabitating in these pools, you know?
>> Because [clears throat] you have visions >> in the the hot springs?
>> Of course I know the monkeys.
>> [clears throat and laughter] >> You and I both have had dreams about those monkeys since we were children and we can't explain it.
But I'm not done with this >> amazing? It does I feel like that would be disgusting and you would get [clears throat] some sort of like like Wuhan type disease from uh from doing that >> more worried as a monkey about what type of [ __ ] I'm getting from a human.
Put it that way.
Get any athlete uh monkey the first a monkey to have athlete's foot.
You know what I mean? We put all this We put all this blame on the monkeys. No, I think they have that.
Um But dude, you guess what? You can get beer in the bath.
Yes, beer.
>> That's the only When I go to Japan, that's the only word I'm [ __ ] >> Beer?
>> learning. Yeah, that's the only thing I'm >> learn this. Beer, kudasai, arigashimasu, arigato gozaimasu.
That's it.
>> that mean? Give me beer or I will kill myself.
>> Sumimasen, sumimasen. You would be saying sumimasen about every 2 [ __ ] seconds.
>> Sumimasen.
>> [laughter] >> What does that mean?
>> Excuse me.
>> Sumimasen.
>> Excuse me.
>> Beer.
Uh >> Beer.
>> Yeah.
>> Sake.
>> I love We went to a bar last night that was all kind of business somehow like uh businessmen.
I'm like, where are the businessmen around here? Maybe they were like concierges.
>> Businessmen [ __ ] hit different in Japan, dude.
>> Yeah.
And then Tim thought that the What's that movie with Tommy Lee Jones and all this the volcano going off in LA.
>> I don't know.
>> Hm.
And Hash is in it.
Well, that was playing on the little from the video system, but Tim thought the video system was like a karaoke system where you could just pick what movie you wanted to watch.
And he went over to go to go switch it, and the guy was like, "No, no.
Don't don't touch that."
>> Don't touch that. Yeah.
>> Yeah, pretty classic story.
>> Wait, are there AMCs in Japan?
>> Yeah, not yet. Why do you think I'm over here, man?
I'm trying to break ground.
Um yeah, a Universal CityWalk at AMC.
>> Yeah, what the [ __ ] Have you Have you like walked past a movie theater legit?
Like what is playing there?
>> Yeah, there's movie theaters in Tokyo for sure.
They've got I looked it up cuz I was alone that for for a couple days.
And it was like what were they playing?
I think they were playing Sheep Detectives. Sheep Detectives.
But mostly I think they have a like >> I think there's a lot of like Chinese film over here.
Mhm.
>> Oh.
>> film industry which I always told you about and you never listened and you never interested to talk about it.
And now it's taking over the globe.
>> Do you think we could get a meeting a Chinese film company general meeting?
>> No, no.
>> [laughter] >> Maybe.
>> I would love to talk to them, just pick their brain.
Where is the What's the Where is the Hollywood of China?
That's where I want >> Uh I don't know. Beijing?
Hong Kong? Where's the premiere at?
>> be.
>> Where the [ __ ] are the premieres at?
>> We need to get there. We need to get to the [ __ ] the Hollywood Walk of Fame of China.
>> Oh, please. Please.
>> What was I going to say? What are we What are we talking about? What's the topic?
>> Hygiene. Hygiene.
>> Of course.
>> Which fits nicely into the into the into the grand bath, which I experienced yesterday.
>> Right. Right.
Now, I feel like people don't stink in Japan. Have you Have you smelled some Uh Have you Have you smelled like some body odor >> No, I really haven't.
>> I feel like that doesn't even exist.
>> [cough] [clears throat] >> I know. What the [ __ ] And yet, I'm feeling hyper I don't feel like Do you ever think that I smell like [ __ ] >> No, never.
>> You never been like, "Damn, he's [ __ ] smells like shit." See, I don't think I really smell like [ __ ] I'm I'm obviously Anyone can get there if you don't have hygiene.
>> Right.
>> But, some people just sometimes have a natural s- funk.
>> No. No, you don't. You don't.
>> Wait, that's >> You want me to to reveal this information about you? I don't know if you've >> What is it?
>> on the podcast about deodorant.
>> Oh, yeah. Go ahead.
>> Well, Eric Eric does not wear deodorant.
>> It's because I'll tell you what.
Sometimes I have worn >> I know. I'm not I'm not even No. You're on the defense and you just need to >> No.
I'm calmly explaining. I'm calmly explaining.
>> [laughter] >> Sometimes I put it on I have put it on and it's caused different problems.
Skin irritation. Sometimes I feel like I smell worse if I put deodorant on.
Like it's >> Cuz you're using the Axe [ __ ] body spray that's all neon [ __ ] green.
>> Mhm. It's buzzing. It's buzzing. It's buzzing.
>> Yeah.
>> [laughter] >> Oh, [ __ ] Dragon egg scented.
>> Did you Were you the kid in uh high school that was like after gym class like sprayed your entire like >> No. your entire body was like just >> I I wish. I wanted to ask so bad, but my mom gets [ __ ] migraines from my um scent.
>> Wow.
>> So, yeah, I could never do it.
But, how much cologne are you putting on?
>> I fear sometimes. I actually had to tell my dad my dad wears like >> My dad he's like this.
>> like >> [laughter] [snorts] >> No, are you serious?
>> And he puts on and he he like >> It's >> It's not like a mild cologne. Like, it's like >> a JCPenney uh strong extra extra extra strong uh label.
>> like [ __ ] grabbing you [snorts] by the [ __ ] throat. Like, if you it's like I I was like, "Dude, you got to like tone it down the cologne. Like, just do like one spray on your wrist."
>> And he I I I would I think he he was kind of like don't you know >> Don't tell me what to do.
>> like, "It's weird to take to give your parents advice sometimes, you know?"
>> Yeah.
>> Do you feel that way?
>> Of course. Of course. And yeah, I know exactly what would fix everything.
>> he was kind of like, "I'm like in my 70s. Like, I've lived life. Like, who are you to [ __ ] like tell me >> What I should >> do with my cologne. Like, I've been doing this since I was you know, uh uh ever since I remember. He was he was he was he was layering. He would wear uh >> He layered?
>> Uh was his scent.
>> Oh my god. With Bleu de Chanel.
>> And >> [laughter] >> No, he wouldn't he wouldn't have I I misspoke there with the layering, but he would just like [ __ ] he would like reek in in church cuz that was like his scent when he would he would like [ __ ] load it up and go to go to church.
And people could smell him from a mile away.
>> It's demon.
>> going by.
>> Man, you know it'd be so funny is I mean if he was like it is crazy when you can smell alcohol on through someone's skin the next morning.
Smelling that mixed with [ __ ] extra extra extra levels of cologne.
>> [laughter] >> Do you think I've you ever smelled that on me?
Trying to mask alcohol scent with with Fahrenheit cologne.
>> [laughter] >> Stinking up the church and go go on extra hard on go on extra hard on worship to pretend that you're not hungover to your family.
>> [laughter] [gasps] >> Worship must hit different if you're cuz I I don't I've never been hungover in church.
I don't think that >> Oh my god, me neither. No.
>> Getting prayer while you're hungover as [ __ ] >> Literally church hangover is making me want to [ __ ] scream. That's that that's how bad it would be.
I hated I hated church as as it was with free donuts. You know what I mean?
>> [laughter] >> I do remember as a kid like loading up on [ __ ] coffee. And it was my first foray into drinking coffee was with my like childhood friend Evan. And we would go like eat hella don't sneak out eat hella donuts and drink about three cups of coffee that were like four sugar packets.
>> Mhm.
>> To receive the message of of the Lord.
>> That's right. But it was excrucia- I mean, if they want people to become Christian again, let's make it [ __ ] fun.
>> Matcha lattes.
>> Matcha lattes, bringing ancient relics.
Right?
I'm read- the book just read that the a morbid taste for bones.
The Brother Cadfael, the first of the Brother Brother Cadfael Chronicles.
It's all about them trying to secure a relic.
>> [laughter] >> A ancient an ancient saint's bones.
If we had if see if I had bones up in my church, if I had whatever Saint Ignatius's thumb, I would have been like, "Damn, yeah, I'm locked in. We have a thumb.
We have some old armor." And yeah, but we just had a like a car carpeted [ __ ] room with white walls and a little podium.
Boring.
>> you could have Do you think you could have ever become a priest? Is there ever a timeline in which you would have >> Yes, I think that if I'm born in the if I'm born in the 20s, I'm trying to dodge the World War II draft and I think I'm becoming a Jesuit drunken Jesuit professor.
>> A drunken Jesuit professor. [laughter] Do you think I think both of us have >> Yeah, they can.
>> Mhm.
>> Yeah.
Do you think I mean, both of us kind of have priestly builds, monkish builds in different ways.
I'm more making mead, you're more hunched over the text in the library with a >> [laughter] >> with eyesight that's going really fast.
Yeah.
Your eyesight would be [ __ ] cooked in the Middle Ages. You would be [ __ ] white white eyes.
>> [laughter] >> Yeah, definitely.
>> Do you know about this that Moses when he went up to Mount Sinai when he came down he was glowing.
>> Mhm, like >> Like a light glowing?
>> [laughter] >> Yeah, he's going up to get some tablets like >> Yeah, yeah, just two simple tablets.
Don't go don't go around the bush. Yeah.
>> That does make so much sense cuz the the commandments are so obvious.
And it's like probably things that they were doing anyways like thou shall not murder and have an affair whatever like thou shall not kill your neighbor, you know, it's just obvious common sense.
>> Yeah, he's like don't don't um um Yeah, don't be greedy um What are the 10 commandments >> covered in [ __ ] You're like literally covered in [ __ ] right now.
>> No, I think that's [ __ ] that's bush sap. That bush was on fire and it got sap all up on him.
>> [laughter] [gasps and clears throat] [laughter] >> It must have been awesome to just like kind of back in that time.
Now we're cooking, dude. Now we're cooking.
>> bust.
>> Just like to go off into a field or like go away from the village and just have an epic like crank sesh out in the woods.
>> Oh my god, yeah.
>> Going on a crazy [ __ ] hike.
>> Yeah, put your >> some [ __ ] ancient pond.
>> Well, right now we have digital stimuli.
Back then we had physical stimuli. So, I'm sure people were like, bro, check this out. Go into the bog. Like wiggle your feet down into the silt. Like put like a cold cloth on your forehead and then bust while thinking about um the little cheese man about it.
>> [laughter] [laughter] >> And it's going to feel crazy.
>> how it was. That's literally how it was.
>> [laughter] >> Um yeah, I mean sounds amazing.
But wait, what was I just going to Oh, can you Can we list the 10 Commandments?
>> Thou shalt like off the dome?
>> Thou shalt not kill.
>> Not steal.
>> not steal.
>> Steal.
>> Kill.
>> I think I like is is >> Lust.
>> There's some lust related >> seven deadly sins and then there's the 12 Commandments. 10 Commandments.
Uh >> There's got to be a couple that are like in the vein of like the the same with the uh the Declaration of Independence like the Bill of Rights where you just >> Wait, wait, don't say that. Don't spoil this cuz this is going to go on our DaVinci Code uh uh What's >> No, just the just that the British uh like the British soldiers can't live with you.
Or wait, our soldiers can't live with you. You know how that's like a thing.
>> Oh, you're saying that. I thought you're I was making >> I'm saying there's a version of that in the 10 Commandments where it's like >> Yeah. Wait, >> People forget that that's like a >> It's like a very highly specific to the situation.
>> [laughter] >> Yeah, yeah. There's got to be one of those in that [ __ ] [ __ ] >> Okay.
I am the Lord thy God. Damn, this is so so Moses is writing on the tablet like, yo, he said like, I am the Lord my God.
So it had thy God. So it had to be him.
Thou shalt >> like [ __ ] You're a little There's [ __ ] everywhere. Like >> No, what's that, dude? No, dude.
Dude, chill. This is [ __ ] from the different berries I was eating. This is [laughter] from residue from the seeds.
White berries seeds.
>> White gooey berries. What Where is that at?
>> Well, I was I have sinned and I was being greedy and I would got was gluttonous and ate all of them. So, it's just all the white berries are >> [laughter] >> Well, I probably got some in my mouth, right?
>> Okay, the [laughter] first bro God is kind of petty with it because the first commandment is >> Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
>> Wow.
>> So, he's jealous.
>> So, he's the jealous type. Interesting.
Interesting.
>> Interesting.
>> [laughter] >> Thou shalt shalt not make unto thee any graven images.
Have you made any graven images?
>> Many. Many graven images.
>> What the [ __ ] is a graven image?
>> You don't want to know.
>> Oh, I've seen some graven images on Twitter recently and I've had a bone to pick with >> imagery.
Is that like a drawing?
>> Cult image or a human-made object that is venerated or worshipped for the deity, spirit, or demon that it embodies or represents.
Oh, so they were making crazy different drawings and sculptures back then that people would worship.
>> Check out this.
>> [laughter] >> Holding up a drawing.
>> Oh my god.
>> Falling to your knees seeing like a >> [laughter] >> cat with like [ __ ] seven tails.
>> [laughter] [clears throat] >> How how could you do this?
>> We got no other gods, graven images, okay.
>> Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord in vain. In vain. [clears throat] Bro, these ones suck. Like this is I'm telling you if God really cared about peace on Earth he does not care about saying oh I was saying oh my gosh until I was 17.
>> I think that's more about respect, you know.
>> Oh my gosh.
Were you saying oh my gosh?
>> Oh, I was saying crap. I couldn't say anything. I just say crap a lot.
>> gosh >> Oh gosh.
>> Oh my gosh.
>> Oh golly.
>> I remember the first time I said oh my god, I was like bro, this hits.
It's like a cigarette.
>> instead of like cussing, he would say God bless America. Like whenever he was really pissed off.
>> God bless America.
>> He'd be like God bless America.
He'd like stub his toe.
>> What did What did my dad say?
God God dang it. God dang it.
God dang it.
>> God dang it.
>> Like you wave your hand like >> God was What's that?
>> That sounds like some bayou style swearing. God dang it.
God dang it.
Yeah. What's What's the Creole Creole God dang it.
>> [snorts] >> Well, we'll I'll save it for the Creole episode. Wait, am I saying this?
>> Yeah.
>> Creole >> I think you are. I think that's right.
God, they used to be They speak so differently.
>> Mhm. Oh yeah, I am saying it right. It's a distinct culture language.
Oh Oh, interesting. Interesting. I'm Interesting. I'm learning. A Creole is a distinct culture or language that emerges from the mixing of different populations primarily during European colonial eras.
>> [snorts] >> So, Creole isn't just like New Orleans.
It can be from different places.
But, Louisiana and the Caribbean. Wow.
>> Louisiana >> That's a crazy mix. You got your roux and you got crawfish.
Mhm.
>> Yeah.
>> Pimm's Cups Okay.
>> Okay, so what's the what's the next one?
>> So we've gotten through oh my god.
Remember to remember the Sabbath and keep it holy.
I'm saying these are weak.
>> The Sabbath.
So this is like all right, every Sunday >> Every Sunday chill out.
>> me.
>> Yeah, take some time to worship me and um But for for Orthodox Jew it's Jewish it's um what? No electricity?
You can't have electricity now.
>> Oh no.
>> And I know how much you like that [ __ ] >> do that.
I love electricity. Um How do you think that feels to be God on Sunday?
>> Mm.
>> Just millions of humans worshiping you.
Do you think he's like having like a like a seizure in heaven just like >> Yeah.
>> Everyone's singing the the the hymns.
When the hymns are hitting at like 9:00 a.m.
>> is Why is no one This is a maybe a fifth grader's argument, but isn't it weird that he wants to be worshipped? That is freaky.
That is not right. That is a sign of a a sociopath.
>> a little bit.
It is a little bit.
>> worshiping me. That's like It actually for the first time I'm feeling disgusted by that.
>> [laughter] >> Do you know what I mean?
>> If you created all of the universe, don't you think that you would deserve >> No, bro. This is what you've been indoctrinated by um this [ __ ] >> it was painful to create all all of everything.
>> Great. Well, I didn't ask for this. I didn't ask to be born either, >> [laughter] >> you know? And I still respect my mother and I'm grateful for it, but I'm not on my knees back You know, if anything we should be we should be worshiping our mothers.
>> Wow.
>> And yet we worship a male a invisible male in the sky. Interesting.
Interesting.
>> To you.
To you.
>> Uh Oh, yeah.
>> is a woman.
>> [laughter] >> And she's bad as [ __ ] >> If God was like the Oracle from The Matrix, mhm, it's literally calming me down right now to imagine the Oracle talking me through life.
>> [laughter] >> You know what I mean? And she's smoking the cigarette. She's got curves. Oh, it makes me almost emotional.
>> [laughter] >> Lives in an apartment in heaven and is being in that apartment complex.
>> With some [ __ ] up children that can bend spoons.
>> [laughter] >> Yeah.
>> Would not mind that.
>> God, the first the first cuz you know the Oracle died. The woman who played the Oracle died, so they got a new actress in there.
But >> Yeah.
>> that first or the second Oracle, nothing to laugh at. She's great.
But that first Oracle, bro.
>> That first Oracle?
>> Mhm.
>> Damn, yep.
That was a that was that person should win a casting award. That was that was a Nobody else could play that role, you know what I'm saying?
>> No. No.
>> That actress >> Oracle one.
>> Oracle one, thank you.
>> But once again, the worship is really for the first time it's smacking me in the face like a [ __ ] fish that worship is so freaky.
Worship is so freaky.
>> Do you know that in Japan, they are quite a secular >> Yeah, but I'll tell you this much, I'm seeing shrines every which way but loose out here.
>> Well, they have like spirits. Don't they believe in like spirits?
>> Oh, yeah. And there's spirits. I actually looked up I looked up some spirits yesterday because while we were riding through the forest, what do I see but little little tiny shacks.
Little about foot tall shacks with little tiny rocks in them. Little bandannas going around the rocks, little pieces of cloth.
Those are actually spirits that watch over bicyclists.
>> [laughter] >> Oh, okay. So, this is like a a new spirit. Like, what were they doing before cyclists?
>> Oh, and and travelers. And I think just general travelers.
>> Okay. Okay. Okay.
>> But, yeah.
Okay.
>> this spirit. I I like that spirit.
>> Me, too.
>> And you can thank the spirits. You can say, "Thank you for watching over me."
But, it's not like you I don't know.
They don't need the newsboys to make songs about them.
Um Okay. Number five, honor thy father and mother. Mm, sounds like a parent might have written this. Yeah, I don't do that.
>> Honor.
Well, you were just talking about this, honoring the mother.
Worshipping the mother.
>> Yeah.
Thou shalt not kill. Thou shalt not commit adultery. Thou shalt not steal.
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. When's the last time you bear bear [clears throat] false witness against your neighbor?
What is that? Like, you're not supposed to rat? Like, don't [ __ ] rat?
>> Yeah, maybe.
Being a good neighbor seems to be like way more important back in those times.
>> Yeah, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's goods probably hit different back then.
Where it's like, "Man, that guy's [ __ ] ram.
They've got [ __ ] four cows.
Mm, they've got a [ __ ] mill.
Oh my god. New [ __ ] fresh cloth."
>> [snorts] >> The cheese maker's daughter.
>> [laughter] >> The beautiful cheese maker's daughter.
>> The cheese maker's daughter.
>> [cough and clears throat] >> Wow.
>> You need to make a drama, a completely serious drama called The Cheesemaker's Daughter.
>> Yeah, I'm on it. Animated.
>> [laughter] >> Using Using Sora.
>> Self-animated.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah, using Sora.
>> Um wow.
So, those are the commandments. That's So, that's sort of spiritual hygiene.
Can tick that box off.
>> If we could get into ancient hygiene as well, now that we're kind of talking about that.
>> Yeah, I'm interested in that. So, what was hygiene like?
>> I think people just ate apples and they were using natural styles of hygiene.
They were rubbing berries on them. I know you just talked about this a little bit, but I think they were >> Well, remember remember >> squeezing out the the juices of leaves and kind of just rubbing olive on rubbing rubbing each other's feet.
>> the the prostitute's feet with oil?
>> [snorts] >> Oh, I forgot about that. That was >> What was that like? That's >> freaky.
>> Yeah.
Oh, [ __ ] Yeah.
>> [laughter] >> Do you think they were at first like kind of creeped out?
Like thought he was something like like Babylonian Quentin Tarantino that was just like into feet.
>> [laughter] >> Um no, I think he probably had >> to have a foot fetish back then cuz you were sucking upon the haggard feet the that was all the sandals.
>> Haggard?
>> [laughter] >> I said haggard.
>> Oh my god.
>> Haggard, but >> Oh, I see. I see.
>> That checks out.
>> Okay. Yeah, that would not be fun. Be kind of salty.
Hand and foot washing. Feet washing feet was standard hospitality since people wore open sandals on dusty roads. Hands were ritually washed before eating, praying, or entering sacred spaces. No soap.
They did not use modern bar soap.
Instead, people used natural cleaning agents like water, ashes, and various oils.
>> Ashes?
>> All right. So, what you're going to do before you sit down and eat my bread and fish, take those ashes over there, rub them real good.
Um and then whatever and then put dip your hand in the oils, rub that [ __ ] together, make a paste, then put your hand in that brown water over there.
>> [laughter] >> Why is it brown? Why is the water brown?
>> What What do you mean? That's just what it looks like in our town, man.
We We dug deep [clears throat] and we got we got water. We didn't dig enough to where it got fresh, and so now it's a just a bit sandy, but it's good. It's mineral water.
>> I feel like in every reality you were like a failed business owner.
>> [laughter] >> Yeah.
>> Like [laughter] you just never got one to get off the ground.
>> [gasps] >> Yeah, Jerusalem's first like um >> [laughter] >> uh dinner theater.
Yeah.
>> [gasps] >> I wonder if they had murder mysteries back then. Like did they Were they watching like Roman Greek Were they doing Greek Revival Theater in [ __ ] >> [clears throat] >> uh you know, Jerusalem when Jesus was around?
So, did Jesus know about Oedipus and [ __ ] >> I think that was like Oh, that I guess that was before him, right?
>> Yeah, that's before Jesus.
>> Yeah.
>> Did Jesus know about Lysistrata?
>> a play.
I would pray that he had.
>> Nate, question for you, man. Do you know what Lysistrata is about?
>> No, I did not. Please enlighten me.
>> Mm, this was a ancient play about women who stopped having sex with their husbands to stop them um from having a war.
They go on a sexual strike.
>> this.
>> Yeah, I'm sure you have.
>> And this happened This really happened or is this a play?
>> This is a play.
>> Oh, so it's Oh.
>> It's just a play, man. Don't worry.
Don't worry. It's just a play.
>> [laughter] >> Good. Good. Good. Good.
>> [gasps] >> Okay.
I'm reading about some of this stuff.
>> means that Does that Does that play end with the asexual warriors?
>> They [laughter] >> Going off to battle?
[ __ ] you, dude.
>> I don't give a [ __ ] >> [gasps] >> The asexual army?
>> The asexual biblical army?
>> Incel army?
Okay.
I guess asexual I don't want to compare asexual and incel, man. That's a That's a That's not right.
>> was really [ __ ] up, but let's >> That was really twisted. We're going to clip that. I know, man. Please. Chill.
Chill, please.
Archaeologists have found >> [laughter] >> Archaeologists have found evidence of intestinal parasites like Giardia in ancient Jerusalem toilets, proving that dysentery and similar illnesses were still endemic in the ancient Near East. [ __ ] Nay, you would not be able to handle Your body At your body weight, you could not handle Giardia.
>> No. And they didn't have like Gatorade back then, so you couldn't like rehydrate yourself.
>> They just had my ancient counterparts salt salt tea [ __ ] brown energy water.
Ash water.
>> [laughter] >> Lukewarm.
>> Drink that, man. Hey, man. You Got Giardia? Come here.
>> Get the [ __ ] out of my [ __ ] face.
>> I can help you, man. I'm trying to help you. Chill. Just give me some shekels.
Or what did they have back then?
[clears throat] >> Shekels. [laughter] >> Bro, this >> Shekels is such a funny word for a money.
>> Imagining like a kid that is like so hungry dreaming of shekels dreaming of like shekels flying flying from the sky.
>> [laughter] >> What is this? Is this a shekel?
>> A shekel.
>> [clears throat] >> Okay, the Bible details strict clean and unclean animals. Yeah, I know about that. Prohibiting certain animals like pork or scavenging creatures uh and avoiding eating blood or meat that had begun to decay to help prevent food-borne illnesses. I You know that there is probably a situation where someone was you know had a pot of boiling blood and some mhm some >> That shows you how dumb people were back then and they were like, "We got to slip this in a religious text and create like >> Yeah.
>> that you believe in or whatever says to not eat decaying flesh.
>> Yeah, what you going to want to do only because God said so. I know it looks [ __ ] good, but don't eat that [ __ ] decaying vulture over there uh even though it looks pretty tasty.
>> [laughter] >> Meat and grains were generally thoroughly cooked or boiled killing them could Oh, body odor.
Body odor. [clears throat] Clothing. Undergarments were washed frequently in water and beaten clean on rocks.
I can imagine you doing that.
>> Beat it.
>> Beating the [ __ ] out of >> [laughter] >> Beat that [ __ ] Beat it uh >> [clears throat] >> Smack it.
>> [laughter] >> Coming coming back from war. You're coming back from the asexual war. You're like not in a great mental place and just beating your [ __ ] undergarments all day in the sun.
I think they're clean, man.
>> [laughter] >> Shut up.
>> Uh okay. Because daily >> Oh, the [ __ ] undergarment beating?
Yeah.
>> [laughter] >> Because daily full body bathing wasn't practiced practical.
Both men and women relied heavily on perfumes, fragrant oils, and incense to mask body odor.
Oh, no.
>> [snorts] >> Okay, let's look up at ancient perfumes.
>> I bet you they're not that different from the Dior Fahrenheit of today.
Cuz we have the same plants. We're using the same They probably had better scents, I would say.
>> I've got like Oh, they probably have saffron, [ __ ] jasmine, scents.
Can you imagine being transported back to an ancient palace harem where everyone's treated fairly?
And you get in there's beautiful women walking around with smelling like jasmine, ancient women smelling like jasmine.
Sounds [snorts] amazing. [laughter] Mhm, intoxicating.
Egyptians and do you know who the Kephir are?
Are you aware of the Kephir?
Yeah, the Kephir.
>> It sounds royal. It sounds like it has a royal >> Considered the cradle of perfumery, Egypt prized scents for religious rituals and burial practices.
Their most frag- Oh, no. This is a fragrance. Their most famous fragrance was Kephir.
A complex mixture mixture of honey, myrrh, wine, raisins, and resins.
>> Raisins?
>> Damn it, Nate. You got to start hitting that raisin [ __ ] complex mixture.
Honey raisin.
>> [laughter] >> I can make that myself. That sounds like easy to make. Honey >> This smelling >> lowest grade honey from Kroger, just like something and raisins.
>> The amateur perfu- perfumerist perfumerist.
>> Okay, let me get Yeah, get your get your NutriBullet >> is my [ __ ] NutriBullet blender.
>> Honey, well, you don't have to get shampoo and some Do you have access to mer?
>> I could, absolutely.
>> Okay, [clears throat] Greeks and Romans.
The Greeks played a vital role in popularizing floral scents, relying on iris, rose, and narcissus.
Okay, because because alcohol had not been yet discovered, like that type of distilled alcohol, I think, Roman perfumers created greasy greasy ointments >> [laughter] >> using an oil extracted from unripe grapes or green olives.
Interesting.
The greasy [ __ ] greased up smelling like roses.
>> [clears throat and cough] >> I guess if you just live next to a water source, like that's like that was probably the best way to clean yourself back then was just take a dip in the [ __ ] the pond.
>> In the still water pond.
>> In the river. Yeah.
>> [cough] >> Mhm. [clears throat] Mhm. Mhm. Mhm.
Well, what kind of what Let's go through your hygiene routine.
What are you doing? Bar soap or body wash?
>> Uh body wash.
>> Okay, what kind of wash?
>> sure.
>> What wash?
>> primarily shower at the gym, so I'm using their >> Yeah.
>> They They're some pretty good body >> They got the good stuff, the lemon grass scent ones.
>> [ __ ] good.
And then they got the mint shampoo. Oh, when you got that that [ __ ] minty style >> Mhm.
>> It's getting a little tingly.
>> Mhm. I remember the first time >> your wee-wee with it? Wee-wee?
>> Yep.
>> Have you ever used that peppermint >> Yes, the Dr. Bronner's.
>> you And then you put it on your dick and you go >> It's a nightmare.
>> what? Why is this even like on?
Why is this even available?
>> Yeah, it should >> say like you can't use it cuz it's like an all-purpose like >> This >> body wash, cleaning product, whatever the [ __ ] but they should warn you about that cuz that is a you're in for a >> I see we've touched a a pretty raw nerve. We've touched a raw nerve with you.
>> Yeah, >> [laughter] >> you think?
>> [clears throat and cough] >> Yeah.
>> I thought something was very wrong with me when I when I first used that or I was like, is this like something medical, you know, happening?
Cuz it was like burning.
>> Remember when your pee hit the the ball of the toilet and went back in and >> Yeah, of course. Let's not talk about that. I don't even want to talk about that. Let's just Let's just move on. Let's just I don't want to think about that. That was a That was a dark >> sort of physical >> moment in my life and I just like to move on from that, to be honest.
>> Oh my god, there's nothing Oh, yeah, sorry. I'll just think about that probably.
>> It's crazy. What's that? Bubble wrap.
Why?
>> Should I do a couple pops?
>> Yeah, man. Yeah, keep this thing going.
Let's keep this [ __ ] thing going another 10 minutes or so. Keep it going.
>> [laughter] [clears throat] >> Is that bubble wrap? Do you do you [ __ ] love bubble wrap?
>> Of course.
Yeah, nice cough before the bubble wrap bubble wrap starts.
>> [laughter] >> Oh, yeah.
>> This is like ASMR kind of, right?
>> Yeah, or the opposite.
>> It's probably not.
>> [laughter] >> You know what they have every night in the the every night in the towns we've stayed in?
>> [clears throat and cough] >> Fireworks.
>> [snorts] >> Every night is a celebration?
>> Yeah.
Yeah, last night here they had them in they have them in Lake Toya every single night, weather permitting.
>> I was just like congratulations like you did another day in Japan.
>> day in Japan.
>> Another beautiful day, let's celebrate it. We should be celebrating every day.
>> Of course.
>> I want to make a daily holiday and it's the same holiday every [ __ ] day.
>> It's called being alive. Yeah, it's called going through this thing called life, yeah.
>> Damn, that sounds incredible. Are they like really good fireworks or they just kind of like whatever?
>> Nah, they I mean they're pretty good.
They're like, you know, they're they're the big like explosions.
>> They don't go like Chinese drone style with the the light show.
>> No, it's not like it's not like Gandalf.
Remember Gandalf's fireworks or is that just me again?
>> [laughter] >> For Bilbo's 100th, 120th or whatever.
>> Or is that just me again?
>> [laughter] >> Okay, what are the what [clears throat] other hygiene tips are we doing?
Uh wash you know, I think I'm going to the dentist very soon.
>> I need to go.
>> When's the last time you went?
>> Couple of years.
>> It's been 2 years for me.
>> It's not right. But I I do think that dentists are a little bit of I think there's like an in between because they I feel like they are a little scammy. Like just the dentists in general.
>> Like chiropractors?
>> think you do Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like they're they're above chiropractor.
>> Definitely.
>> But I do feel like there like how I went to one dentist once and they were like, "You have like four cavities." And I was like, "What the [ __ ] I've never had a cavity in my life."
And then I go to another dentist and they're like, "Nah, you don't have any cavities." I say, "What?
What is this subjective where the cavity is all of a sudden?
Are you just trying to [ __ ] milk milk my [ __ ] wallet?
>> Milk your account. Yeah, yeah.
>> Is that Is that what's happening?
>> Listen, I've had cavities. I've probably had four cavities in my life that I remember.
And I [ __ ] mhm, I [ __ ] hate the hate getting them drilled so bad.
>> Sure.
>> It's >> Do you hate that sound? The sound of the dentist?
They need to update the sounds for the drills and make them like Get somebody get an FL Studio and hook it up to that.
>> Mhm.
It should sound like like a slime, like quip.
>> Bloop, bloop. Bloop, bloop. Bloop.
You're [laughter] doing amazing.
Yes.
>> God, I need to get that laughing gas now put on some [ __ ] Gordon clips.
>> [laughter] [clears throat] >> Yeah.
>> That's what the Kanye West was addicted to, I believe.
>> To Gordon clips?
>> [laughter] >> Couldn't stop watching.
>> the to the laughing gas. He got He had some like crazy uh Hollywood dentist that was hooking him up with the nitrous oxide.
>> gas? God.
>> That's >> why he was doing Nazi behavior?
>> Mhm.
Wasn't his fault.
>> Mhm.
>> Kanye is back. He's got He's making music. He's making Taking pictures with his chick. His chick is directing music videos.
>> Wait, who Bianca Censori?
>> Did you see her milking the cow? This is like your It felt like you were the art director on this music video.
>> What did you say? Milk milking the cow?
>> [laughter] >> For like his new song, she made a music video and it's her sitting on a stool.
She is essentially kind of the the baddie milk maiden. She's milking a cow.
And it's like this one one shot. And I and I did think of you when I saw the >> [laughter] >> saw the music video.
>> The deep milk maiden.
Oh god.
>> Baddie milk maiden.
>> Okay, I needed to apologize to the technicians.
I'm getting dangerously close to my checkout time and they [ __ ] knock on the door right at checkout time here.
So I'm going to Yeah.
>> like they're pretty strict with it.
>> Yeah. So I'm going to have to just at least start doing the joint.
>> That's fine.
>> Sad to say.
>> fine. What What is your joint?
>> Oh dude, I'm I'm going to Go ahead.
>> Let me think. Let me think.
Simply cra- Oh, well, of course. Had some Biryani Kabob House >> Mhm.
>> last night.
>> Mhm.
>> My favorite takeout. Maybe my favorite restaurant in LA.
And had the beef biryani and the fish I don't know how to say this, Kahari or something.
>> Mhm.
>> Uh and the cheesy garlic naan.
>> Mhm.
>> I had this for this.
>> [ __ ] >> podcast started, I had basically a full cheesy garlic naan and a chocolate chip cookie.
>> Yum.
>> [laughter] >> Yummy.
>> That's good.
>> That's called fuel.
>> You didn't get sag paneer?
>> No.
>> Mhm. Big mistake.
I can't wait for some [ __ ] Indian food.
Get me out of here and give me some Indian food.
>> [laughter] >> Um Okay, what is giving me joy?
>> [cough and clears throat] >> This just This trip has been so nice. So nice chilling with Tim and that bike ride was sort of like from another It felt like a slice of heaven, I would say.
The the e-pedal, the the e-assist with a pedal assist bike, whatever.
You know, you're still working hard.
You're still sweating, but you're cruising.
>> It's so fun.
>> Were you on a bike path or you were there >> It was like the We had the bike on the along the highway for a little while, which was scary, and then you'd turn onto just kind of like a small road that's right on the lake.
>> Oh.
>> But oh, also we did this We did this hike We took a ferry to this island that I showed in the last podcast.
And >> [clears throat] >> you know how in Pokémon, when you go into like the the Viridian Forest or whatever, you have to like go to this little center and then you walk through sliding sliding doors into the forest?
Remember this?
It's like you you walk out.
>> on.
>> This is real. This is like I think like a Japanese thing.
Like to get into the path there's like a little center that has like bathrooms and little [clears throat] restaurant.
And a and a, you know, forest attendant.
That sits there and you check in to the forest, and then to get into the trail this this door sliding glass doors automatic doors open.
And it's like so just and it was so pristine.
>> you know.
>> It's much better than >> version of that a gate.
>> It's a gate, yeah, 100%, but this feels like official.
And it's like it was so clean and pristine. It was There's no trash, nothing.
>> Clean and pristine.
>> Um all right, brother. I got to get going. [ __ ] I got to pack really fast.
Okay.
>> Okay, man.
>> To the Joy Technicians.
>> See you Monday for the Maddies >> Oh, yeah, Maddies secret guys. Get ready.
Get ready everyone.
>> now.
>> Get them now, please.
>> tickets now.
Um all right. All right.
>> Okay. Peace out, guys.
>> Well, that concludes another incredible [ __ ] episode of Joy Tactics. Head over [music] to patreon.com/joytactics to unlock exclusive weekly bonus episodes. And make sure to [music] follow us on social media where we post fire TikToks and hilarious [ __ ] like that.
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